FOREVER WAR - now it depends on YOU!

[Demon-Alukard]

Friends! Like most folks visiting this page, I am a huge fan of Archie Comics’ TMNT Adventures series. It is no secret that this comic book was cancelled back in the nineties (1995, to be precise). Many of us have heard about something called “Forever War”, a mysterious story arc we all were dreaming about after its very first announcement in the latest issues of TMNT Adventures. Unfortunately, the story never made it to the printed page because of the series’ cancellation.

However, in 2009 Steve Murphy, creator of the series, has announced that “Forever War” is going to be released under the aegis of Mirage Studios. Despite the fact that he had been working on it for quite some time, it was decided that the story had to be totally rewritten and redrawn. It was supposed to be the one, true finale for the TMNT Adventures universe. Alas, the TMNT rights were sold to another party leaving fans devastated by the second cancellation.

And now, after 10 years of emptiness, our hope is returning and it will finally be rewarded! The thing is, my dear friends, that we have at our disposal all EXISTING ORIGINAL material of “Forever War“, right out of 1995! And it’s FORTY pages long, 2 complete issues out of 5!

But that’s not all! We’ve finished this story and gave it a spectacular ending using everything we had. Not a single page was left out, not a single dialogue perished! The story is naturally embedded into the Archieverse and it explains EVERY SINGLE incomplete plot thread, which had existed since the dawn of the series!

Moreover, the incredible Chris Allan has agreed to finish this story with his own hands -- he will illustrate this story from beginning to end!

We are the team that brought you the TMNT Volume 3 Conclusion, “Odyssey” and “Origin,” all created in participation with the Mirage Studios legends: Kevin Eastman, Jim Lawson, Frank Fosco, Dan Berger, A.C. Farley, Rick Arthur, Rick McCollum, Bill Anderson, Will Tupper, Andres Ponce and many others! We also created a variety of TMNT fan comic not related to the Mirage or Archie universes.

And today we are proud to present you the EXCLUSIVE! A 10-page sneak peak to this story!

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Of course, to make this happen, we need your help. Interested? Send me a message here or better on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/demon.alukard) or email me (mailto:[email protected]).

[Demon-Alukard]

UPDATE 2024-01-22

I'm proud to announce that the long-awaited The Forever War has gone to the printer! Preorders are still possible, except that I won't be able to include the names of the new sponsors on the Thanks list.
Send me a message if you somehow missed all the announcements or have been waiting for this exact moment.

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The singles will also go to printing as soon as I adjust the final version to a different sheet size.

[Andrew NDB]

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[oldmanwinters]

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[Lordmylar06]

My body is ready.

[Utrommaniac]

Wow, good time to get a bunch of TMNT storylines wrapped up. Nice to see Archie fans are getting this one now too.

[Jester]

https://media.giphy.com/media/TdVwHHUoUmduU/giphy.gif

[Lordmylar06]

I just can't stop coming back and gawking at these pages... it's beautiful!

[Andrew NDB]

I just can't stop coming back and gawking at these pages... it's beautiful!

If you guys like those, you haven't seen anything yet!

[Lordmylar06]

If you guys like those, you haven't seen anything yet!

Andrew, please... my heart can only take so much.

[Chet]

Neat. Did the rest of the series ever have blood? That would surprise me

[Andrew NDB]

Neat. Did the rest of the series ever have blood? That would surprise me

It was pretty rare.

[Vicky82]

I never read Archie TMNT series as I don't think it was released in the UK, but I would love to get this.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I never read Archie TMNT series as I don't think it was released in the UK, but I would love to get this.

Of course, the Archie Comics were published in the UK during the early 1990's

http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2016/03/fleetway-comics.html

[Demon-Alukard]

I never read Archie TMNT series as I don't think it was released in the UK, but I would love to get this.

Oh, it was, back in ninetees, along with your own, UK-produced TMNT comics. The magazine called 'Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles Adventures'. Here is more info (sorry, in Russian) with a complete list of issues:
http://www.turtlemania.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=93&Itemid=66

[Vicky82]

Of course, the Archie Comics were published in the UK during the early 1990's

http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2016/03/fleetway-comics.html

Oh, it was, back in ninetees, along with your own, UK-produced TMNT comics. The magazine called 'Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles Adventures'. Here is more info (sorry, in Russian) with a complete list of issues:
http://www.turtlemania.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=93&Itemid=66

Oh right thanks, I was told a few years ago that it was never released here.

[Dejablue]

Wots all dis about? Oooh. This looks good.

https://i.imgur.com/H1IG0Yd.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Archie TMNT doesn't interest me in the slightest, but I am super stoked for all you Archie TMNT fans! This is awesome news for you! Enjoy!!! :tgrin: :tgrin: :tgrin:

[oldmanwinters]

Neat. Did the rest of the series ever have blood? That would surprise me

It was pretty rare.

I think the blood was usually colored something "not red" so it could be easily mistaken for something else (mud? sweat?) like when the Mutanimals all got shot up and were laying dead when Future Raph and Donnie discovered them.

[darthsmozers]

yes!!!!!!!!

[Leo656]

I'm with you brother.

[vicsavage]

This is pretty amazing.

[TigerClaw]

Cool. I been a fan of the Archie TMNT Comics. and its great to see this story finally getting done.

[Zog The Magnificent]

This is some of the best news I've received all year! Is there somewhere to crowdfund yet?

[Andrew NDB]

Is there somewhere to crowdfund yet?

No, there won't be any crowdfunding. Send Arseniy a message here or on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/demon.alukard) or E-Mail (mailto:[email protected]).

[funatic]

Woweewowow. Too good to be true!! Just sent an email! :thyper:

That's amazing Chris Allan is back at the helm for it. I had an inkling something might be in the works when I saw he was doing special covers for y'all... Out of curiosity, how involved is Murphy in this conclusion?

[Rooish]

This is awesome, but haven't we seen these pages before? Anyway. How do we help?

[Andrew NDB]

This is awesome, but haven't we seen these pages before? Anyway.

Not all of those, no. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

How do we help?

Just send Arseniy a message here or on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/demon.alukard) or E-Mail (mailto:[email protected]).

[Redeemer]

Out of curiosity, how involved is Murphy in this conclusion?

Thats what I was wondering. If Murphy already had the script finished then I would imagine he is not really involved at all. I am just wondering if this is "His" actual storyline and ending or if some of the plot detail had to be filled in by others.

[Andrew NDB]

Thats what I was wondering. If Murphy already had the script finished then I would imagine he is not really involved at all. I am just wondering if this is "His" actual storyline and ending or if some of the plot detail had to be filled in by others.

The script for the first two issues was intact within the pages. The synopsis/plot for 3-5 was mapped out by Arseniy, Artyom Tsarkov, and Egor Prutov a while back. Having read them, of course, I think the first two (intact) issues provided a pretty good roadmap of where things were supposed to go from there (also bolstered by knowing what's on the covers), if not perfectly. I'm writing the script for 3-5 based on that synopsis/plot.

[Demon-Alukard]

This is awesome, but haven't we seen these pages before? Anyway. How do we help?

Here is summary for all previously known material:
http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2011/08/whatever-happened-to-forever-war.html

As you can see, we got some new pages for you now. And as Andrew mentioned, this is only the tip of the iceberg.

[Joey Kamikaze]

Oh, I am so down and want a physical copy if it's happening. Email sent.

Considering volume 3 is getting a conclusion at IDW (and already had an alternate ending published), this project will leave volume 4 as the only major TMNT comic that's seemingly ended without an ending... it's nice to see these conclusions happen after all these years.

[Weapons@theready]

Donatello’s carapace is a Target on his back apparently

[Darth Knuckles]

Wow! Is this really going to happen? I thought this was likely never to happen after The Forever War fell through in 2009. I'm not clear on everything but I sent an e-mail since I'm very interested. I'd love to see this series concluded after all of these years. I loved reading the Archie TMNT Adventures series and it is still one of my favorite versions of the turtles. Excited!!! :tgrin:

[dragonside]

email sent...pretty cool!!!

[Toitlefan]

This is some exciting news! So am I understanding this correctly? 1 and 2 were already written as an actual continuation by the original publisher and 3-5 are sanctioned fan-fiction?

[Demon-Alukard]

Here is a little sneak peek from a totally new page from Chris Allan.
I'm going to show you some old and new stuff from time to time, stay tuned!

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak1.png

[Enscripture]

What about the Furrlough story?? lol

[bushido]

Really good news!!! Now call Tristan Jones to finish The Mirage Universe book :tlol:

[oldmanwinters]

What about the Furrlough story?? lol

Haha, I thought of that too.

Granted, I'm not sure I want to see how that wraps up. :tlol:

[Enscripture]

I wanna know who the catwoman was :P

[oldmanwinters]

I wanna know who the catwoman was :P

So there was an ancient race of fox-people in Japan.
And there was a race of wolf-people in Alaska.

Wonder what region the ancient race of cat-people called home? :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

What about the Furrlough story?? lol

I personally really want to see that finished.

[oldmanwinters]

I personally really want to see that finished.

And lest we forget... Inky's "North to Alaska" back-up series ended on an uncertain note with TMNTA #70.

But seeing as how Jim Lawson is confirmed for a piece in Forever War, I'm optimistic about that loose end!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So there was an ancient race of fox-people in Japan.
And there was a race of wolf-people in Alaska.

Wonder what region the ancient race of cat-people called home? :tlol:

Egypt.

Or Brooklyn, Capitol City of Cat Ladies.

[oldmanwinters]

Or Brooklyn, Capitol City of Cat Ladies.

I like it!

[Enscripture]

I personally really want to see that finished.

Me too I hate cliffhangers and the story was getting interesting

[oldmanwinters]

Question: Is that a TV/VCR remote in the original Forever War logo?
http://i.imgur.com/5huYcgT.jpg (https://imgur.com/5huYcgT)

[Andrew NDB]

Question: Is that a TV/VCR remote in the original Forever War logo?
http://i.imgur.com/5huYcgT.jpg (https://imgur.com/5huYcgT)

Sure looks like it. It might represent a Time-Slip remote.

[oldmanwinters]

Sure looks like it. It might represent a Time-Slip remote.

Can't recall ever getting a good look at Donny's Time Slip remote, but you have to wonder how many buttons he really needs on that thing.

[Andrew NDB]

FYI, Murphy has agreed to go over the last scripts and provide notes/suggestions/dialogue changes.

[oldmanwinters]

FYI, Murphy has agreed to go over the last scripts and provide notes/suggestions/dialogue changes.

Great news! I never knew what to make of his various statements as to whether or not he even remembered how the story was going to play out. Let's hope the two complete issues jogged his memories!

[Andrew NDB]

Great news! I never knew what to make of his various statements as to whether or not he even remembered how the story was going to play out. Let's hope the two complete issues jogged his memories!

The last word on that was that no, he doesn't remember anything about either incarnation of Forever War's story and had no files saved. And that was a few years ago.

[funatic]

Really good news!!! Now call Tristan Jones to finish The Mirage Universe book :tlol:

Ha! and he can finish up the Gang Wars arc from Tales while he's at it... We laugh but with peeps like Arseniy & Andrew in the fandom who knows what the future holds!?!

FYI, Murphy has agreed to go over the last scripts and provide notes/suggestions/dialogue changes.

That's huge. Great to hear he'll be involved.

[Sharman]

Ha! and he can finish up the Gang Wars arc from Tales while he's at it... We laugh but with peeps like Arseniy & Andrew in the fandom who knows what the future holds!?!



That's huge. Great to hear he'll be involved.



I utterly concur. Too many juicy plots and story-lines remain unfinished ...

[Demon-Alukard]

FW Sneak Peek #2: "Oh, no..."

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[Diorm]

Question: Is that a TV/VCR remote in the original Forever War logo?
http://i.imgur.com/5huYcgT.jpg (https://imgur.com/5huYcgT)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Click_film.jpg
:roll:

[darthsmozers]

I just feel the need to chime in and say that this is incredibly exciting. For myself, and many of us, this is a childhood series that has twice been cancelled. This is bringing all the feels. Thank you.

[scribblesartist]

No thank you!! Pass on this 👎.. Archie run should stay in 90s

[Filespit]

Awesome news! The Future Turtles arcs were always my favorites from the Archie comics, and Chris Allan's art style was also always my favorite. When I drew my own TMNT sketches I always imitated his style. I posted some of them on here a few years ago: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=35281

[Demon-Alukard]

No thank you!! Pass on this 👎.. Archie run should stay in 90s
Even that part what was drawn back in 1995 and not yet revealed? We need to burn it, I suppose)

Here is Sneak Peek #3, guys:

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak3.png

[oldmanwinters]

Even that part what was drawn back in 1995 and not yet revealed? We need to burn it, I suppose)

Couldn't have retorted better myself!

[Andrew NDB]

Even that part what was drawn back in 1995 and not yet revealed? We need to burn it, I suppose)

https://media3.giphy.com/media/aK4zVIHVPc1TW/giphy.gif

[LUIS]

FYI, Murphy has agreed to go over the last scripts and provide notes/suggestions/dialogue changes.
Amazing news!!!!

[thingy]

Exciting news and looking good so far.

[Demon-Alukard]

FW Sneak Peek #4

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak4.jpg

[Weapons@theready]

FW Sneak Peek #4

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak4.jpg

Do my eyes deceive me or is that some slobbery saliva surround these guys?

[Demon-Alukard]

More pages on it's way! FW Sneak Peek #5

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak5.png

[FredWolfLeonardo]

FW Sneak Peek #4

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak4.jpg

Nothing to get you more in the mood for writing comics, like a can of Red Bull :tlol:

[Leo656]

Man, I missed that art style. That's the TMNT I grew up reading. Now I'm all misty.

[CyberCubed]

It's too bad this could not be officially published.

[Demon-Alukard]

It's too bad this could not be officially published.
Well, who knows what can happen in the future. For now task number one - at last finish this story, make it happen.

[Demon-Alukard]

FW Sneak Peek #6:
http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak6.jpg

[AquaParade]

Chris Allan nailed such a great TMNT design. I want to say one of the best, but between Henson, A.C. Farley, even the Fred Wolf toon, we've really seen some fantastic renditions of these characters.

Still though, I love Chris Allan's take. He finds a way to make the designs very appealing and easy on the eyes, without making them look too "soft" or goofy.

Can you imagine how nice a hefty, well sculpted figure based on his work would look?

[funatic]

FW Sneak Peek #6:
http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak6.jpg

:tcouch:


Still though, I love Chris Allan's take. He finds a way to make the designs very appealing and easy on the eyes, without making them look too "soft" or goofy.


Agreed. He really was the perfect fit for the tone of the later Archie issues. I’m so psyched he’s part of this conclusion, and these previews of his art show he really hasn’t skipped a beat!

[MikeandRaph87]

Can someone makevan image with Carol Danvers with Forever War in the background? That would be a nice 1995 Easter Egg!

[Demon-Alukard]

Exciting news, guys! Looks like TMNT: Forever War is on shedule. Here is another Sneak peek: reinked oldie but goldie Forever War cover right from 1995 announcement in TMNTA #70! This is gonna be the illustration for a soft cover variant book.

IMPORTANT! Everyone, who already supported or will support the project until the end of May, will get the complete Chapter One of the longawaited storyarc in a digital form right on June, 1!

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak7.jpg

[darthsmozers]

Holy smokes :teek::teek::teek:

[Lordmylar06]

Every time I see a new piece of art posted I feel like a kid again. This project coming to life might be the strongest nostalgia I've ever experienced.

[oldmanwinters]

IMPORTANT! Everyone, who already supported or will support the project until the end of May, will get the complete Chapter One of the longawaited storyarc in a digital form right on June, 1!



Wonderful! Happy Days!

[Demon-Alukard]

Sneak Peek #8

IMPORTANT! Everyone, who already supported or will support the project until the end of May, will get the complete Chapter One of the longawaited storyarc in a digital form right on JUNE, 1!

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak8.png

[dawwe]

This seems really cool. I hope it will be finished.

[Joey Kamikaze]

So I take it you're not going to cut off orders in the next few weeks, then. I fully intend to order one of the hardcovers; I just need to get paid myself first. :p

So tickled y'all are doing this.

[Demon-Alukard]

So I take it you're not going to cut off orders in the next few weeks, then. I fully intend to order one of the hardcovers; I just need to get paid myself first. :p

So tickled y'all are doing this.

No, of course not-- we are only in the beginning. Kind of.
But things going well, new pages are coming. Chris Allan doing amazing job here. I hope to show more intriguing peeks soon.

[TigerClaw]

I'm looking forward to this. This story is supposed to have some of the characters return. Like Ninjara. In the issues before this was gonna be published. Raph and Ninjara split after they came across a place populated by wolf people.

If parts of this story is set in the future. Maybe we will see Mezcaal make another appearance. I would like to see present Raph reacting to her and finding out she his future wife.

[pferreira]

Good luck on this guys. :)

[super curry max]

How does one order?

[Demon-Alukard]

How does one order?

Please read the first post in this thread.


Sneak Peek #9

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak9.jpg

[Diorm]

Alukard, I sent you an email a couple of weeks ago but you didnt answer (maybe in the junk mail who knows). I sent a new one today. Can you please watch for it. I don't want to miss out on this.

[Demon-Alukard]

Alukard, I sent you an email a couple of weeks ago but you didnt answer (maybe in the junk mail who knows). I sent a new one today. Can you please watch for it. I don't want to miss out on this.
Yes, sorry, somehow I missed it. Now all is OK!

[Chet]

Maybe I missed a post, but is this Kickstarter or what?

[Peter Palmer]

Maybe I missed a post, but is this Kickstarter or what?

There is a line at the very bottom of the first post that states that if you want more information on supporting this, you have to contact someone on Facebook or via e-mail.

I'm all for supporting TMNT projects, but I don't really do the whole Facebook thing. I'll check back here every once in a while to see if information on how to support this project is posted.

[Demon-Alukard]

I'm all for supporting TMNT projects, but I don't really do the whole Facebook thing. I'll check back here every once in a while to see if information on how to support this project is posted..
You always can send me direct message here, on the Forums.

Here is the final (or almost) cover for the softcover edition! We used original #71 cover pencils, provided by Chris Allan. Inked by me and colored by Dmitry Bobrovnik.

Aaaand just 3 weeks before everyone who supported the project so far, will get the First Chapter in digital!

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/TMNTA_FOREVER-WAR-COVER_SOFT_FINAL.jpg

[MikeandRaph87]

You always can send me direct message here, on the Forums.

Here is the final (or almost) cover for the softcover edition! We used original #71 cover pencils, provided by Chris Allan. Inked by me and colored by Dmitry Bobrovnik.

Aaaand just 3 weeks before everyone who supported the project so far, will get the First Chapter in digital!

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/TMNTA_FOREVER-WAR-COVER_SOFT_FINAL.jpg

It does not look like much different $ wise between the hardcover and softcover. What difference or bonus would the hardcover have opposed to the softcover?

[Demon-Alukard]

It does not look like much different $ wise between the hardcover and softcover. What difference or bonus would the hardcover have opposed to the softcover?
Only the cover. Interiors gonna be the same.

[Chet]

There is a line at the very bottom of the first post that states that if you want more information on supporting this, you have to contact someone on Facebook or via e-mail.

I'm all for supporting TMNT projects, but I don't really do the whole Facebook thing. I'll check back here every once in a while to see if information on how to support this project is posted.

Okay, I thought people were supporting it already

[darthsmozers]

There is a line at the very bottom of the first post that states that if you want more information on supporting this, you have to contact someone on Facebook or via e-mail.

I'm all for supporting TMNT projects, but I don't really do the whole Facebook thing. I'll check back here every once in a while to see if information on how to support this project is posted.

Understandable. He is upstanding though. It’s worth sending an email - he provides all the details.

[Demon-Alukard]

Looks like it's the final sneak peek for the Forever War Chapter One, guys!
Everyone who already supported the project and helped to finally make that story true, will get Chapter One in digital form in exactly one week. Stay tuned!

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_chapter1_final_teaser.jpg

[Leo656]

I absolutely want the finished product but I'm powerless to contribute any financial support at this moment in time.

[sdp]

When I joined the drome I was told Forever War would finally publish in just a few months :tcry:

[Leo656]

I remember reading the solicitations, and I went to my comic book store to tell the owner to definitely throw it in my pull-box. He literally laughed and said, "Sure, yeah, THAT's gonna come out one day." :lol:

To be fair, nobody at all was buying the Mirage TMNT books that were coming out at the time so the guy was probably a little bit bitter and jaded about the TMNT brand. For better or worse, he did end up being right, though.

Fan-completed version or no, it'll be neat to finally see some version of it after all the hubbub over the years.

[Andrew NDB]

I think it's OK for me to tell you that the new pages coming in -- and they are coming in -- from Chris Allan are really awesome looking. It's crazy cool to see him pick up right where he left off without missing a beat, drawing characters (I'm not talking about the Turtles, obviously he partook in Tales V2) he hasn't drawn anywhere in 20 years.

[Lordmylar06]

I think it's OK for me to tell you that the new pages coming in -- and they are coming in -- from Chris Allan are really awesome looking. It's crazy cool to see him pick up right where he left off without missing a beat, drawing characters (I'm not talking about the Turtles, obviously he partook in Tales V2) he hasn't drawn anywhere in 20 years.

This is the thing that cemented support from me. I’ve been a fan of Chris Allan since I was a kid. I’ve contacted him personally over the years to do an occasional commission. When the announcement came from Arseniy I was immediately on board. There are people holding off on this thinking Viacom or IDW might do an official publication of this, but I’m not so sure. Even if they do, I’m even less confident of the involvement of Allan or Murphy. I feel like giving support to this might be our last real shot at seeing Forever War with the ideal creative lineup.

[LUIS]

Looks like it's the final sneak peek for the Forever War Chapter One, guys!
Everyone who already supported the project and helped to finally make that story true, will get Chapter One in digital form in exactly one week. Stay tuned!

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_chapter1_final_teaser.jpg

Nice, glad I support this.

[darthsmozers]

This is the thing that cemented support from me. I’ve been a fan of Chris Allan since I was a kid. I’ve contacted him personally over the years to do an occasional commission. When the announcement came from Arseniy I was immediately on board. There are people holding off on this thinking Viacom or IDW might do an official publication of this, but I’m not so sure. Even if they do, I’m even less confident of the involvement of Allan or Murphy. I feel like giving support to this might be our last real shot at seeing Forever War with the ideal creative lineup.

And even if an official conclusion did happen some day, my money would have been well spent on numerous new issues (chapters) of artwork pencilled by Chris Allan. As a fan of his, it’s a win-win!

[Andrew NDB]

And even if an official conclusion did happen some day

I wouldn't rule it out but... Steve Murphy did indicate that he really, really wouldn't want to revisit this -- or anything TMNT -- at any point in time. And it's somewhat unlikely an "official" Forever War would ever be sought without him.

[LUIS]

I wouldn't rule it out but... Steve Murphy did indicate that he really, really wouldn't want to revisit this -- or anything TMNT -- at any point in time. And it's somewhat unlikely an "official" Forever War would ever be sought without him.

Didn't Bobby wrote about wanting to make forever war in the second christmas issue? Also when did Murphy said that? Was it after joining this project?

[Andrew NDB]

Also when did Murphy said that? Was it after joining this project?

Maybe 2 months ago.

*edit: to be clear, it wasn't a reflection on this project, it was a summation of all experiences he's ever had working on TMNT in a professional capacity. He was very clear about that. Without getting into any details.

[Lordmylar06]

Didn't Bobby wrote about wanting to make forever war in the second christmas issue?

If IDW wants to do it, what's stopping them? They've had the license for years and haven't tapped into it yet.

[oldmanwinters]

Hey... June 1st is tomorrow! (And even sooner in Russia!)

[Lordmylar06]

Hey... June 1st is tomorrow! (And even sooner in Russia!)

We're going to have a spoiler discussion thread, right? I'm gonna want to talk after reading it I'm sure.

[funatic]

I feel like I’m going to need to reread a serious chunk of Archie to prep for this. It’s been 10 years since I’ve read any TMNTA. Does anyone on the project have key issues they recommend revisiting in advance?

[Andrew NDB]

I feel like I’m going to need to reread a serious chunk of Archie to prep for this. It’s been 10 years since I’ve read any TMNTA. Does anyone on the project have key issues they recommend revisiting in advance?

The pre-#5 stuff. Future Shark trilogy. The Cyber Samurai issues.

[funatic]

The pre-#5 stuff. Future Shark trilogy. The Cyber Samurai issues.

Cool thx Andrew!

[darthsmozers]

Today is the day!!!!

[Demon-Alukard]

Hey, friends!

I want to say THANK YOU to everyone who support the project, that means a lot! As a small gift for your patient and such preliminary involvment, I've sent digital copy of the Chapter One to everyone who supported Forever War so far!

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/release_TMNTA73_cover.jpg http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/release_TMNTA73_rcover.jpg

I've used your Paypal-attached email adresses, so please check it! If you didn't find the letter from me inbox or in the junk folder, please let me know and we'll resolve the problem!

Also by popular demand each chapter going to be printed separatelly in a single form when they're ready. TMNT Adventures #73-77, just 200 hand-numbered copies each, high quality printing, thick gloss paper.

Feel free to write me and discuss any details.
Issue #73 going be printed in ten days or so.

Full supporters list will be prited in EACH editions, from singles to hardcover.

Stay tuned!

[TigerClaw]

Hey, friends!

I want to say THANK YOU to everyone who support the project, that means a lot! As a small gift for your patient and such preliminary involvment, I've sent digital copy of the Chapter One to everyone who supported Forever War so far!

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/release_TMNTA73_cover.jpg http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/release_TMNTA73_rcover.jpg

I've used your Paypal-attached email adresses, so please check it! If you didn't find the letter from me inbox or in the junk folder, please let me know and we'll resolve the problem!

Also by popular demand each chapter going to be printed separatelly in a single form when they're ready. TMNT Adventures #73-77, just 200 hand-numbered copies each, high quality printing, thick gloss paper.

Feel free to write me and discuss any details.
Issue #73 going be printed in ten days or so.

Full supporters list will be prited in EACH editions, from singles to hardcover.

Stay tuned!
How do we get a digital copy of this?

[darthsmozers]

How do we get a digital copy of this?

Email him to support the project.

[pferreira]

I am going to go out on a limb and say I bet the printing quality for this is better than the IDW reprints. :D

Maybe this has already been answered but how did the guys behind this get around the Nickelodeon/IDW rights? I mean to sell something with the TMNT characters they obviously needed to get around the legal issues involved.

[Demon-Alukard]

I am going to go out on a limb and say I bet the printing quality for this is better than the IDW reprints. :D

Maybe this has already been answered but how did the guys behind this get around the Nickelodeon/IDW rights? I mean to sell something with the TMNT characters they obviously needed to get around the legal issues involved.

At the moment it's totally unofficial non profit fan-project.
Yes, there is legal issues about brand and character's rights, but you'll never find this book in the comics shops.

How do you think, is it legal to pay artists for the comissions with any (not your own original) characters? To pay Jim Lawson or Chris Allan or someone else? This is what we are doing, technically.

[mrmaczaps]

Is it too late to get in on this?��

[oldmanwinters]

Is it too late to get in on this?��

Go ahead and send Demon-Alukard an email for details.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1808218&postcount=116

[Demon-Alukard]

Here are the first photos of the long-longawaited TMNT Adventures #73 right from the print company! Thanks to worldwide fan support, the series returns twenty four years later!

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[Lordmylar06]

It's beautiful!

[wpugh2424]

yea it looks great

[Mythril_7]

Congratulations on the achievement!

[pferreira]

At the moment it's totally unofficial non profit fan-project.
Yes, there is legal issues about brand and character's rights, but you'll never find this book in the comics shops. Okay I understand. I thought the pre-orders cost money. Whoops, missed that. :)

[Demon-Alukard]

It's finally here! TMNT Adventures #73 in all it's glory -- in comparison with the latest Archie Comics issues back from 1995.

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[Demon-Alukard]

And also signed by Chris Allan pencilled pages' prints finally arrived!
I'll send out original artworks along with prints in a few days.
It takes a bit more time than I expected -- thank you for your patience, friends!


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[DK2]

I've just sent an email to Arseniy. Hoping I can still get this. Looks like multiple options for print formats for this story? I want to get this so I can see how this was suppose to be and also how things were suppose to end and compliment Mirages Future Tense TPB. With that trade alone it didn't make sense. Like to hope this makes it more enjoyable. I wasn't into the Archie TMNT stuff but when Future Tense came out I thought I'd check it out at the time in '09. Now this conclusion with the same artist and writer involved and from what I understand, actual first 2 issues from the time. This is very cool and authentic as it'll get. Kinda wonder if IDW might do this one day too after TMNT Vol. 3 ending is coming.

[pferreira]

It's finally here! TMNT Adventures #73 in all it's glory -- in comparison with the latest Archie Comics issues back from 1995.
Lovely! :)

[Joey Kamikaze]

Is this project still going? I meant to get in on it earlier, but was broke from moving.

[IMJ]

My God I didn't know you guys were doing this. Great, great work. I'd have been on board immediately had I known....

[Lordmylar06]

You should still be able to get in touch with Arseniy and get in on this! I don't think it's too late.

[Demon-Alukard]

Is this project still going? I meant to get in on it earlier, but was broke from moving.

All's fine. New sneak peeks will come soon, I just need to finish my part in Andrew's TMNT Origin story.

[Andrew NDB]

A pretty great fresh interview with Chris Allan and Arseniy/DemonAlukard is out there! Great stuff.

[Demon-Alukard]

As you may know, Chris Allan went to Russia for a TURTLE POWER FEST show at Nov. 9-10.
Here is nice interview from BUBBLE studio, Russian comics publisher.
Some talks about The Forever War, and even one new Sneak Peek.
Enjoy!

P.S. Sorry, my part in Russian only.

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[Toitlefan]

Any idea on when all the single issues will be shipped?

[Demon-Alukard]

Any idea on when all the single issues will be shipped?

Hello. Most of the preoredered singles of TMNTA #73 already shipped,
I got stuck with sending of original artworks, but actually I used that time for one special thing -- so, guys, all who ordered original inked pages from Part 1, will get them signed by Chris Allan!

But if I forgot to send something, just write me here in private messages, or on email, or in FB, and we'll figure this out.

[Lordmylar06]

Hello. Most of the preoredered singles of TMNTA #73 already shipped,
I got stuck with sending of original artworks, but actually I used that time for one special thing -- so, guys, all who ordered original inked pages from Part 1, will get them signed by Chris Allan!

But if I forgot to send something, just write me here in private messages, or on email, or in FB, and we'll figure this out.

That's an awesome thing for Chris Allan to sign the inked originals! It'll be worth the wait for sure. I can't wait to see the book in person. I can't believe it's actually happening!

[Rhio2k]

Just found out about this. I may have missed issue 1, but it it too late to get in on the remainder?

[Demon-Alukard]

Just found out about this. I may have missed issue 1, but is it too late to get in on the remainder?

Hello. It's not too late to get the first issue, as well as join the project.
Please send me a private message here or on Facebook (links in the first post of the thread).

[MikeandRaph87]

We are still looking at June 2020 for the trade and hardback editions? I am holding out for that.

[Darth Knuckles]

I'm in the same boat. I'm just waiting to see the finished covers for both the softcover edition and the hardcover edition so I can decide which one I want to buy. I'm still just so impressed that this is a thing!

[Lordmylar06]

Someone in a Facebook BST group just posted pics. The single comic for issue 73 has started to arrive.

[Enscripture]

I just got mine :) It was good!

[Demon-Alukard]

Hey, guys! Here the current status about Forever War project:

I’m afraid there will be delay, as the progress not so fast as we wanted, and from his second trip to Russia Chris took a pause for a while to deal with other job + comissions. Anyway, now we are back on track, I've got new page just a few days ago!

I hope I'll finish Part 2 in March, as well as Chris will finish pencils for the Part 3 in same time. So, I believe, in July we'll get at least four parts of five, so it's not as bad.

Also, here is another sneak peek. Hope you'll enjoy!

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak10.jpg

[MikeandRaph87]

Hey, guys! Here the current status about Forever War project:

I’m afraid there will be delay, as the progress not so fast as we wanted, and from his second trip to Russia Chris took a pause for a while to deal with other job + comissions. Anyway, now we are back on track, I've got new page just a few days ago!

I hope I'll finish Part 2 in March, as well as Chris will finish pencils for the Part 3 in same time. So, I believe, in July we'll get at least four parts of five, so it's not as bad.

Also, here is another sneak peek. Hope you'll enjoy!

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak10.jpg

Well, we have been wiating since 1996 so okay. Perhaps September?

[oldmanwinters]

Also, here is another sneak peek. Hope you'll enjoy!

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/700/fw_sneak10.jpg

Together Again!

[LUIS]

Will the rest of the issues be send by mail like the first one to thoe who backed?

[Zog The Magnificent]

I don't think anyone has asked, but how will Year of the Turtle factor in? Will this story take place before or after that?

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think anyone has asked, but how will Year of the Turtle factor in? Will this story take place before or after that?

I kind of wanted it to be touched on or setup, but it's not, really. I mean, maybe it could happen sometime later on like it always could've beforehand, but there's no "links" to be found in FW.

[oldmanwinters]

Just heard that long-time Archie editor Victor Gorelick passed away last week:
https://www.newsarama.com/48961-archie-comics-editor-in-chief-victor-gorelick-dies-at-age-78.html

https://twitter.com/ArchieComics/status/1226143649525723137

Not trying to be rude, but he's probably the main reason why we never got Forever War to print back in the day. :tcool:

[Lordmylar06]

Just heard that long-time Archie editor Victor Gorelick passed away last week:
https://www.newsarama.com/48961-archie-comics-editor-in-chief-victor-gorelick-dies-at-age-78.html

https://twitter.com/ArchieComics/status/1226143649525723137

Not trying to be rude, but he's probably the main reason why we never got Forever War to print back in the day. :tcool:

Gorelick thought the theme of the book was getting "too teenaged" which is ironic given the title of the book in my opinion.
One thing I thought was actually a stroke of genius by Murphy was that the story grew up with it's audience. I was in my teens when The Forever War was hyped up in the ads in the back of the book. I was indeed hyped. When the book switched gears to "The Early Years" it was a complete turnoff. The Year of the Turtle was a no go for me too. I knew what I wanted and it wasn't that.

That being said, imagine being the guy responsible for stopping the most anticipated TMNT adventures story of all time. The fanbase wants it so badly that we've basically crowd sourced it. I wonder if he ever felt like he made a mistake there...

[Darth Knuckles]

Gorelick thought the theme of the book was getting "too teenaged" which is ironic given the title of the book in my opinion.
One thing I thought was actually a stroke of genius by Murphy was that the story grew up with it's audience. I was in my teens when The Forever War was hyped up in the ads in the back of the book. I was indeed hyped. When the book switched gears to "The Early Years" it was a complete turnoff. The Year of the Turtle was a no go for me too. I knew what I wanted and it wasn't that.

That being said, imagine being the guy responsible for stopping the most anticipated TMNT adventures story of all time. The fanbase wants it so badly that we've basically crowd sourced it. I wonder if he ever felt like he made a mistake there...

I think we TMNTA fans got upset because we saw a potentially great story line get taken away from us so quickly and without resolution. Which is understandable because we really thought The Forever War looked amazing. And I also wasn't thrilled with the eventual "ending" of Year of the Turtle either. I also liken the book to it becoming more mature over the years and growing with its readership. A lot of people say that same thing is why the Harry Potter series worked so well. And I agree. I was ready for The Forever War back in the day.

But I can also totally understand why Archie and Victor Gorelick and co. decided to cancel the comic seeing the way it was going. I'm sure they got tons of letters from parents and talks from the head of Archie about TMNTA getting too out there for a children's comic. Plus there were deaths and religious themes shown in the comics that were definitely unique to see in a comic mostly geared towards kids. I'm actually quite happy the series went as long as it did with all of that interesting commentary going on. So I don't think it was that big of a decision for Archie to move on from TMNTA all things considered.

I really enjoyed Victor Gorelick's run at Archie. It was very impressive. My first comic series that I ever read was TMNTA and the only other comic series that I read "hardcore" was Sonic the Hedgehog and all of its off-shoot titles. Victor Gorelick was also editor of the Sonic the Hedgehog comics starting with issue #4 in July 1993. I still remember him taking over as Editor in Chief after Richard Goldwater retired at Archie. I believe that he held that post all the way through until the end of the series in March of 2017. I just remember reading his name in the comics for so many years. It's really sad to hear of him passing away. I hope his family is doing well at this sad time. Thanks for all of your work in the comics industry. Rest in peace Victor Gorelick.

[Leo656]

Word. I felt pretty much the same about all that.

I still remember when Mirage announced they'd finally put Forever War out like 10+ years ago. Next time I went to my comics shop I was like, "Reserve that for me," and the guy's like "Yeah, sure... it's never gonna happen though. Nobody buys the TMNT stuff they're putting out NOW, but they're gonna finish a mini-series they already cancelled and forgot about ten years ago. But yeah, sure, you'll be first in line. Don't hold your breath though." :lol:

Better late than never I guess. I'm sad we'll never get the "real" version but at this point anything is better than nothing at all.

[Andrew NDB]

I still remember when Mirage announced they'd finally put Forever War out like 10+ years ago. Next time I went to my comics shop I was like, "Reserve that for me," and the guy's like "Yeah, sure... it's never gonna happen though. Nobody buys the TMNT stuff they're putting out NOW, but they're gonna finish a mini-series they already cancelled and forgot about ten years ago. But yeah, sure, you'll be first in line. Don't hold your breath though." :lol:

It was never about making money, that version of it (at Mirage and not Archie). Laird was happy to print it just for the celebration and to make people happy. As I recall, Murphy was upset that he didn't realize there was an impending sale to Nickelodeon... that if he'd known, he would have "worked faster." It doesn't sound like Murphy completed any issues of the Mirage version of the script and Allan didn't draw anything for it beyond the new ads.

[Demon-Alukard]

Hello, guys! I didn't tell much about current progress of the TMNT Forever War project for a while, but now it's time! Two days ago Chris finally finished pencils for the Part 3! Sadly, now it's clear what it's impossible to finish the full story by June, as it was planned in the beginning, but we are working, little by little. I still hope there a chance to complete Forever War in 2020.

For those, who can't wait to read the story so far, I'm going to print extremely short amount of PENCILED 'ashcan' editions of Parts 1, 2 and 3! Let me know, if you're interested -- you can send me a private message here on the Drome, on my Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/demon.alukard) or email me here: [email protected]

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Ashcan edition will be printed in the middle of the next week. Fullcolored single issues are coming in a few months, one by one!

Also here are bunch of sneak peeks from Parts 2 and 3!

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[Demon-Alukard]

Hey, guys! Another update about legendary and long awaited TMNT Forever War -- TMNT Adventures #73-75 Ashcan Editions! The books are printed now, even faster than I expected, so I'll start to send out preorders on Wednesday or so.

Here some photos of the printed books below! Enjoy!

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[MikeandRaph87]

A few questions if I may, what issues or arcs should we read ahead of Forever War? I see Sarnath and Katmandu I know Scumbug and Wyrm were mentioned. It is known to have connections to the aruably favorite arc of the run Th Future Shark Trilogy. Just don't tell me to start from #1 of the mini-series lead in to #72. It looks very packed of characters.:tgrumble::lol:

Glad we can finally say 77 issues! I am buying, but I am waiting the hardcover after all five are completed. Should I go ahead and buy or is it okay to wait until the completion of #77?

Also, we had to wait from 1996 to 2009 and then after a second tease until 2020 so what is a few months. The conclusion arc lived up to its name,

[Demon-Alukard]

A few questions if I may, what issues or arcs should we read ahead of Forever War? I see Sarnath and Katmandu I know Scumbug and Wyrm were mentioned. It is known to have connections to the aruably favorite arc of the run Th Future Shark Trilogy. Just don't tell me to start from #1 of the mini-series lead in to #72. It looks very packed of characters.:tgrumble::lol:
Actually, yes, it's better reread the whole run from the very beginning, but it's not as aggressive for new reader as you can afraid. For the good understanding it's enough to read first (TMNTA #42-44) and last (TMNTA #62-66) Future Turtles appearance, but if you know Adventures universe well, you'll notice some more behind all this ;)

Glad we can finally say 77 issues! I am buying, but I am waiting the hardcover after all five are completed. Should I go ahead and buy or is it okay to wait until the completion of #77?
It's your choice for sure. We'll finish the project anyway, but from your support depends how much additions I can allow for our team. I already thinks about some additional pages when the story will be finished)

[Leo656]

Looks awesome, brother.

[BlueBandana]

Hey, guys! Another update about legendary and long awaited TMNT Forever War -- TMNT Adventures #73-75 Ashcan Editions! The books are printed now, even faster than I expected, so I'll start to send out preorders on Wednesday or so.

Here some photos of the printed books below! Enjoy!


Hey Arseniy, just a quick question! From what I remember, ashcans back in the 90s were smaller than regular-sized comics, usually something like 1/2 or 2/3 the size of a normal floppy. Looking at the bottom photo you posted, there doesn't seem to be any difference in size to the other Adventures issue. Is this correct or am I looking at the comparison pic wrong? Thanks!

[Demon-Alukard]

Hey Arseniy, just a quick question! From what I remember, ashcans back in the 90s were smaller than regular-sized comics, usually something like 1/2 or 2/3 the size of a normal floppy. Looking at the bottom photo you posted, there doesn't seem to be any difference in size to the other Adventures issue. Is this correct or am I looking at the comparison pic wrong? Thanks!

Yes, I decided to print them in the same regular size, 6,7''x10,2''.

[Nortock Diab]

At first ashcans were a mean to ensure copyright. They were printed quickly and in a cheap form.
Today golden age ashcans are real rarities.

Bob Burden reintroduced them with Flaming Carrot. They were magazine size.

The 90's with Liefeld, Image Comics and all the trendy publishers turned them into promotional items and reduced their size to what we commonly have in mind when someone refers to ashcans.

For people curious about the use of ashcans in the comic book industry, I advise to read Wikipedia page about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcan_comic

[MikeandRaph87]

I meant to ask, Raphael I thought gave up wearing his black costume. Did he fall back to wearing it just when he knew he was going into a fight? Also, Splinter is wearing the battle suit he had in the Asia trip in the #30s'. What was the creative choice in Splinter not just joining them, but wearing the battle suit in #73? Was it simply, 'hey that was cool design!'?

[Lordmylar06]

I meant to ask, Raphael I thought gave up wearing his black costume. Did he fall back to wearing it just when he knew he was going into a fight? Also, Splinter is wearing the battle suit he had in the Asia trip in the #30s'. What was the creative choice in Splinter not just joining them, but wearing the battle suit in #73? Was it simply, 'hey that was cool design!'?

In the early drafts for the first few pages of the Forever War from way back, Raph is seen putting the black costume on before the bros and Splinter are getting ready for a patrol.

[MikeandRaph87]

In the early drafts for the first few pages of the Forever War from way back, Raph is seen putting the black costume on before the bros and Splinter are getting ready for a patrol.

Yes,I have read the issue. He had the pants on while lifting weights. I was asking, didn't Raphael stop wearing the costume after awhile, perhaps by the time of The Future Shark Trilogy? Also, Splinter's costume from the Asia trip I don't believe it is seen outside that arc. Its been well, forever since I have read the arcs. I am currently revisiting the series due to the time the pandemic has allowed.

[Lordmylar06]

Yes,I have read the issue. He had the pants on while lifting weights. I was asking, didn't Raphael stop wearing the costume after awhile, perhaps by the time of The Future Shark Trilogy? Also, Splinter's costume from the Asia trip I don't believe it is seen outside that arc. Its been well, forever since I have read the arcs. I am currently revisiting the series due to the time the pandemic has allowed.

Yeah he'd definitely stopped wearing it before, but maybe he was feeling like being stealthy again. :D

[Galactus]

I remember when Murphy had his blog and posted the penciled pages for the opening of the Forever War. When the question about the black suit came up in the comments he answered that Raph was heading towards a 'dark' phase post break up with Ninjara thus he was wearing the suit again.

I also think he probably just likes the suit and helps give the Adventures Raph his own identity hence why he also wears it in the 30th anniversary story were he's inexplicably with Ninjara again with no explanation.

[LUIS]

The 30th anniversary special is before the broke up IIRC. Is a shame, I did like them as a couple, I felt bad when they broked up. Maybe they can be together again?

[MikeandRaph87]

The 30th anniversary special is before the broke up IIRC. Is a shame, I did like them as a couple, I felt bad when they broked up. Maybe they can be together again?

Ninjara does appear in alternative reality in Forever War. Once it is all over maybe they will be. I felt Ninjara was featured alongside the TMNT too often and should have just been in every few issues supporting. Not knocking her just felt she was present too much.

I have been rereading latter arcs of the series and it reminded me of Future Don repeatedly stating the past had changed. The Mutanimals were always meant to be murdered, but by Malinga personally years later not an associate's hired guns. The lightning striking the Turtles cargo plane another example that he cites.

The tampering with the timeline has to be addressed in Forever War. It also could explain how Shredder can be pulled from #4 and acknowledge #25 in #36 despite it not happening for him yet.

[LUIS]

Ninjara does appear in alternative reality in Forever War. Once it is all over maybe they will be. I felt Ninjara was featured alongside the TMNT too often and should have just been in every few issues supporting. Not knocking her just felt she was present too much.

I have been rereading latter arcs of the series and it reminded me of Future Don repeatedly stating the past had changed. The Mutanimals were always meant to be murdered, but by Malinga personally years later not an associate's hired guns. The lightning striking the Turtles cargo plane another example that he cites.

The tampering with the timeline has to be addressed in Forever War. It also could explain how Shredder can be pulled from #4 and acknowledge #25 in #36 despite it not happening for him yet.

Ninjara was there with the turtles most of the time but at the same time it felt like she wasn't there. They should had give her more protagonism or just tag along the turtles certain times and not all the time. And I do hope they aknowladge how the past changed. I think they did say that they would explain the Shredder time travel thing.

[Andrew NDB]

The tampering with the timeline has to be addressed in Forever War. It also could explain how Shredder can be pulled from #4 and acknowledge #25 in #36 despite it not happening for him yet.

Oh, for sure.

[MikeandRaph87]

Okay, so I used pandemic time to watch Baxter episodes and read the second half of Ninja Turtles Adventures. Not forever War, but as a 7 year old Dreamland was creepy and hard to get through, the zombies experimented on by Verimatator X and alien collecting living brains to another race that cannot dream? It doesn't make much sense even in a TMNT context. It abruptly ended with Raph shooting X and then suddenly he is reformed as Manx? Don did surgery to save him and removed bad cyber parts that corrupted him? Still not into this arc over two decades later. Moon Eyes, why were the Turtles, April, and Ninjara in Alaska meeting Tattoo? It is never explained why they meet him there or were the Inky backups which I skipped over supposed to explain that?

Forever War is 5 parts, obviously The Shredder is supposed to be the featured villain in what reminds me of Vandal Savage's scheme in Justice League's Savage Time arc. Are we supposed to see The Rat King and Armaggon teaming up with him again or who is with The Shredder?

[Galactus]

Not forever War, but as a 7 year old Dreamland was creepy and hard to get through, the zombies experimented on by Verimatator X and alien collecting living brains to another race that cannot dream? It doesn't make much sense even in a TMNT context. It abruptly ended with Raph shooting X and then suddenly he is reformed as Manx? Don did surgery to save him and removed bad cyber parts that corrupted him?

I always found the ending with Don and Manx the eeriest part of the story. I always thought it was morally dubious for Donatello to operate on Verminator-X's brain without his consent. I'm not even sure I buy that Don simply reverted him back to his original personality. The Future Shark trilogy seemed to imply that it was mixing tech with his brain that caused Manx to go bad, not that it was "bad wring" and there's something about his narrative and the way Chris Allen drew that final page suggests he didn't revert him to the Manx he used to be but instead simply switched him to Ned Flanders mode. Just as emotionally detached but on the "good" side.

[Andrew NDB]

I think it was Archie with sticky notes. But I don't know.

[Lordmylar06]

Moon Eyes, why were the Turtles, April, and Ninjara in Alaska meeting Tattoo? It is never explained why they meet him there or were the Inky backups which I skipped over supposed to explain that?


It's implied that April was going to cover a sumo competition and she's sending her friend Oyuki to cover it instead.
The reason for Alaska being a meeting place could've been anything, but maybe it was chosen because it's remote, and less likely the turtles would be seen while visiting a friend. I'm not sure if they Inky backups had anything to do with the "where and why" on this meetup.

[TigerClaw]

The Moon Eyes Saga was supposed to lead to Forever War before Archie decided to take the last few issues on a different direction.

[MikeandRaph87]

It's implied that April was going to cover a sumo competition and she's sending her friend Oyuki to cover it instead.
The reason for Alaska being a meeting place could've been anything, but maybe it was chosen because it's remote, and less likely the turtles would be seen while visiting a friend. I'm not sure if they Inky backups had anything to do with the "where and why" on this meetup.

Oyuki covering Tattoo's sumo tournament brings TMNT, April, Ninjara, and Oyuki to Alaska as an equal distance meet up with him? Oyuki cannot just fly to Japan? Driving a rental car and camping after that? I understand that it is all a set up to break up Raphael and Ninjara, but it Is such a stretch. I remember wondering if Tora or Monty Moose would show up and why Tattoo was teased. I would like to read Murphy's set up of the arc.


Also, I had a thought, Future Don repeatedly noticed that history has changed. Back to the Future might hold an answer. The past changed because of interference be it Marty accidentally making his life better or Biff's successful sports gambling corrupting the timeline with George's murder among many other events. The Shredder seems to be altering events by either speeding events up ( Mutanimals and Malinga dying) or creating them such as the electric storm that brought down the TMNT's cargo plane. It may not be the complete answer, but it would lend credence to what we have seen. Also, some events by Forever War's end may be undone or the world better. As gross and creepy as Dreamland was it had an optimistic conclusion so characters once dead may return. Scumbug and Wyrm who are dead. Crystalized and shattered appears in the arc. Maybe past versions, but maybe revived by changed events.

[MikeandRaph87]

Rereading the series I have come to realize that it is one big narrative similar to IDW. There might be a few throwaway flashbacks like #41's frame story,45,58's frame story,71,72, but overall it really is. It appears Forever War would have finished the story. I understand the two bigwigs at Archie's concern about it getting to be too much. I think Dreamland's gross and creepy plot with living brains and robozombies was too much for me in 1st grade. Though it resolved itself with a happy ending. I have a feeling that Forever War will right the Future Turtles timeline if not improve it like reviving the Mutanimals. They should have heard the whole pitch and then made suggestions of how to tone it down for 7 year olds before getting to the happy resolution.

[Leo656]

Not everything needs to or should be toned down for 7 year olds.

A lot of the stuff in the Archie book blew me away when I was around 9 or 10 but that's exactly what I liked about it. Already outgrown the one-dimensional slapstick shenanigans of the cartoon show by the time the first movie came out, if the Archie book hadn't predominantly skewed "darker" then I doubt I would have even still cared about the brand at all by the time the second movie came out.

I don't read it as much as I should (and I'm still missing a few issues), but I'd lay about 80% of the reason at TMNTA's feet as to why I even care a tiny bit about TMNT in the year 2020. Without it, or if it had remained locked into what the cartoon was, I almost certainly would have abandoned the franchise by no later than 1992. Heavy-handed eco-preaching aside, the book was exactly what it needed to be.

[Andrew NDB]

TMNTA: the only good thing to come out of Fred Wolf OR the only version of Fred Wolf that is any good. You decide.

[Leo656]

I'll be a little nicer and say "By far one of the absolute best things." :tsmile: I mean anyone who disagrees with that assessment is plain and simply wrong.

[Galactus]

Yeah I credit both the Archie book and the 1990 movie for leaving an impression of TMNT that stayed with me that it otherwise wouldn't have if I'd just known the cartoon.

Maybe if the show had kept a tone more in line with the first season or the second or even the more action oriented season 3 episodes I might have a better opinion of it today. I do appreciate the sillier episodes but once they started facing random mad scientists with goofy rays on the regular I mentally checked out.

[MikeandRaph87]

Yeah I credit both the Archie book and the 1990 movie for leaving an impression of TMNT that stayed with me that it otherwise wouldn't have if I'd just known the cartoon.

Maybe if the show had kept a tone more in line with the first season or the second or even the more action oriented season 3 episodes I might have a better opinion of it today. I do appreciate the sillier episodes but once they started facing random mad scientists with goofy rays on the regular I mentally checked out.

Those are the CBS ones that don't hold up today and have the charm of the memorable ones. The amount of random mad scientist and mobsters was annoying. I wanted Shredder, Rat King, or evil mutants. Of those two categories the only exception was Big Louie. Episodes I never go back to.

It was Dreamland that was too much for me with the robo-zombies and the living brains being sought to profit off the dreamless that was grossing me out at age 7. I remember being glad the arc was over and it was a happy ending after the visuals grossing me out. The Mutanimals being randomly shot up by no names and the eco preaching did not bother me. It made me realize I was smart enough to know at that young age someone is writing a political opinion. It was the era of Very Special Episodes and I saw through it. Yet it was the gross nature described above that made me relieved the arc was over and wonder if the two Archie bigwigs were thinking the same thing. Just because the Future Turtles were involved it seems like they assumed Dreamland was going to be repeated which Forever War was not. As an adult rereading it I still did not care for it aside from the Hitler sequence I appreciate now. I did see TMNT Adventures suggesting that it can grow up with you while still looking like you know it to be. I was only in 3rd grade when it was canceled suddenly.

[LUIS]

Thinking about it I would totally love an adventures cartoon, less eco preaching of course and make some arcs a little stronger.

[Leo656]

Yeah, the cancellation really struck me dumb at the time, too. I would have been... let's see, when was Year of the Turtle? 95/96? So about 13-ish. I read Wizard sometimes but was never really into keeping up with "the business" at that time in my life, so I only vaguely understood why some books got cancelled. I just sort of assumed that something like TMNT was so popular that it was "bulletproof" and would be around forever, or if not literally then for a long time. I still saw it on the racks at every 7-11 and corner store and a lot of my friends all bought it, so I assumed it was still pretty popular.

Then the two issues that came out right after the Moon Eyes saga were so out of left-field and disconnected with the main plot, a plot which I'd been hoping to see resolved somehow, that it kinda threw me for a loop, and then nothing, and then Year of the Turtle, which wasn't bad but it gave me a really bad feeling due to how completely different it was from the "real" Archie book. But I was like "Okay, if this is the new status quo, I guess it's better than nothing." And then nothing. What a bummer.

[MikeandRaph87]

Was there anything planned beyond Forever War or was it meant to be the final story in the continuity. I agree Year of The Turtle was good, not great and I would preferred Forever War between the two. Odd how even after the bigwigs got what they wanted the replacement contuinity did not go into to be an ongoing? Turttlemania was dying, Mirage was indifferent of a non-Mirage focused incarnation, Archie executives assumed it would be ine less headache since TMNT was no longer on top making the money it used to?

It is odd how the Future Turtles are at the center of my favorite arc Future Shark Trilogy and my least favorite arc Dreamland. That should have tipped off Archie and gone ahead with Forever War.


When is the likely full release? I need to decide the format Ibwill buy.

[Galactus]

Being in the UK we were somewhat behind with our reprints but I knew the writing was on the wall for Adventures. I could see the Turtlemania was waning and I remember taking my copy to the counter of my local newsagent and the lady saying "I used to sell loads of turtles comics now you're the only boy who buys them". Then the comic went from coming out fortnightly to monthly which was an obvious bad sign.

From what I remember from Murphy's blog Archie became dissatisfied with his approach to the book (I'm guessing the spiritual and environmental messages) and when they saw that the Forever War was another return to the future world flooded by global warming they hit the roof. Murphy felt that his work was unappreciated and was thinking of quitting and went to Peter Laird. He admitted that he hoped Laird would talk him out of it but instead Laird responded with something like "sorry you feel that way but you got to do what you've got to do".

Another factor was that Archie knew Mirage was relaunching their book in colour and was worried it could take off and be competition for their book and wanted their own book to have a more 'mainstream' style like a Marvel and DC book and I think Year Of The Turtle was their attempt at doing that.

[Lordmylar06]

I understand the two bigwigs at Archie's concern about it getting to be too much. I think Dreamland's gross and creepy plot with living brains and robozombies was too much for me in 1st grade.

Part of what made TMNTA so enjoyable for me is that I grew up and the story kept me engaged. The Archie TMNT comics ran for 6 years and some change. I started reading them when I was 8 years old, and by the time it ended I was 14.
In order to keep your readership engaged, you have to grow with your audience. TMNT Adventures was doing that in my opinion. I do think that Archie could have implemented a teen line to facilitate that story, but back then I bet they weren't as open to the concept.

[ZariusTwo]

I'll be a little nicer and say "By far one of the absolute best things." :tsmile: I mean anyone who disagrees with that assessment is plain and simply wrong.

TMNT isn't automatically better as an edgy mature franchise. It's most impressionable years were when it was the opposite of that, and that will never change.

It sucks some fans here are still bitter about that and choose to villify the show when it delighted millions and will always be the benchmark by which every other interpretation is compared to. And none of them will ever match the ten year run. If anything, the ongoing resentment smacks more of cultural jealousy than anything else.

[Galactus]

TMNT isn't automatically better as an edgy mature franchise. It's most impressionable years were when it was the opposite of that, and that will never change.

In it's most impressionable years it operated as both (Mirage and Fred Wolf) as well as varying degrees in between (the 1990 movie and the Archie book).

Also the most successful seasons of the Fred Wolf show was when it had a smidgen of seriousness. You could make a very valid case for the idea that every time that TMNT got too silly it suffered commercially.

[Leo656]

TMNT isn't automatically better as an edgy mature franchise. It's most impressionable years were when it was the opposite of that, and that will never change.

It sucks some fans here are still bitter about that and choose to villify the show when it delighted millions and will always be the benchmark by which every other interpretation is compared to. And none of them will ever match the ten year run. If anything, the ongoing resentment smacks more of cultural jealousy than anything else.

I'd say that anyone who would consider the Archie TMNT book "edgy" is probably a bit sensitive.

[MikeandRaph87]

What is the likely release of #76 and #77? Also, what are the purchasing options again? While I decided to wait for the fifth issue to be available I wanted to see what the options were. The individual issues are not the same size as Archie's series, correct? Also, are they single color covers like I noticed on your Ebay offering? I have always preferred individual issues but if they are going to be different than the rest of the series and extra content is in other options I will go for that.

[Demon-Alukard]

What is the likely release of #76 and #77? Also, what are the purchasing options again? While I decided to wait for the fifth issue to be available I wanted to see what the options were. The individual issues are not the same size as Archie's series, correct? Also, are they single color covers like I noticed on your Ebay offering? I have always preferred individual issues but if they are going to be different than the rest of the series and extra content is in other options I will go for that.
You can email me for the details: [email protected]
We are working on the new pages little by little, a bit slowly when I expected in the beginning, but anyway. Now it mostly depends on Chris Allan's speed. I still hope to finish the story in 2020.

[Turtle_Bot]

You can email me for the details: [email protected]
We are working on the new pages little by little, a bit slowly when I expected in the beginning, but anyway. Now it mostly depends on Chris Allan's speed. I still hope to finish the story in 2020.

Hi hi.

I ordered the hardcover version of the Forever War graphic novel back in August '19. I don't know if the timeline for the hardcover version is any different, but, what's the updated fulfillment time expectation for people like me?

Thanks in advance! Really looking forward to it!

[MikeandRaph87]

Hi hi.

I ordered the hardcover version of the Forever War graphic novel back in August '19. I don't know if the timeline for the hardcover version is any different, but, what's the updated fulfillment time expectation for people like me?

Thanks in advance! Really looking forward to it!

I second this. Also, close to #77's completion could we get a teaser of a list of characters?:)

[Weapons@theready]

Ordered my ashcans today!

[MikeandRaph87]

In addition to the above, $85 for the five issue collection as a hardcover. A bit steep but I will go for it of the 3 options because it will be read more than once and softcovers collect wear easily. Can we pay via PayPal?

[darthsmozers]

I second this. Also, close to #77's completion could we get a teaser of a list of characters?:)

Nooooo spoilers!

[TigerClaw]

Will all the issues be available to purchase digitally? and if so. When can we get all of them?

[MikeandRaph87]

Is there a way to contact Steve Murphy to ask him questions about the run that don't have the answer, "Wait until Forever War is published". I just finished rereading the run today and doubt many dromers could fill in the blanks I have or may not care to entertain them.

Also. who is that supposed to be with April,Ninjara, and Golani at #73's end? It looks like the controversial ally Carter from TMNT (1987).

[Andrew NDB]

Is there a way to contact Steve Murphy to ask him questions about the run that don't have the answer, "Wait until Forever War is published". I just finished rereading the run today and doubt many dromers could fill in the blanks I have or may not care to entertain them.


There is but he doesn't remember anything. So it would be fruitless.

Also. who is that supposed to be with April,Ninjara, and Golani at #73's end? It looks like the controversial ally Carter from TMNT (1987).

A new character. Two, actually.

[Weapons@theready]

I thought he might have been Future Leonardo's student, Miles.

[Andrew NDB]

I thought he might have been Future Leonardo's student, Miles.

Definitely no.

[MikeandRaph87]

I recall eading he did not remember where he was headed with the storyline. This was the only thing I could dig up. It has been dead since March 2014.
http://containstracesof.blogspot.com/?m=1

I had questions like,why the alias? Was April the competent martial artist a reaction to her constant role of damsel in distress in the 1987 cartoon? Was there a clear background in mind for Null? Once the Mutanimals ongoing did not gain traction with readers you decided to kill them off. What lead to the drastic decision? Among others.

New character? Ah,okay. I knew he had not appeared in Archie before so I was curious if there was any reference for the character elsewhere. I caved and got #73 when upgrading, but will hold out for the rest.

[Diorm]

I was wondering. If Chris Allan was onboard for this, would it tempt him to finish the Ninjara: Seed of Destruction comics and make a TPB of the chapters that were in "that" magazine with the new ones?
I mean, it's kinda part of the Archie comic in a way, and it's an unfinished project so...

I never read it but maybe if there was some edit to the gratuitous nudity and useless swears, it can be good.

[Lordmylar06]

I was wondering. If Chris Allan was onboard for this, would it tempt him to finish the Ninjara: Seed of Destruction comics and make a TPB of the chapters that were in "that" magazine with the new ones?
I mean, it's kinda part of the Archie comic in a way, and it's an unfinished project so...

I never read it but maybe if there was some edit to the gratuitous nudity and useless swears, it can be good.

I've read that not finishing the Ninjara story was one of his big regrets, so maybe we'll get that later on.

[Kyo Hisagi]

I was wondering. If Chris Allan was onboard for this, would it tempt him to finish the Ninjara: Seed of Destruction comics and make a TPB of the chapters that were in "that" magazine with the new ones?
I mean, it's kinda part of the Archie comic in a way, and it's an unfinished project so...

I never read it but maybe if there was some edit to the gratuitous nudity and useless swears, it can be good.

Asked him the same thing on a convention :D he answered something like "Now I have much more free time so maybe, maybe". Let's wait and hope. Definitely after finishing Forever War and covers for Russian editions of Archie collected editions.

[dragonside]

just bought the ash cans! i'm so excited to read them!

[Andrew NDB]

I've read that not finishing the Ninjara story was one of his big regrets, so maybe we'll get that later on.

I'm definitely pushing for that.

[Turtle_Bot]

You can email me for the details: [email protected]
We are working on the new pages little by little, a bit slowly when I expected in the beginning, but anyway. Now it mostly depends on Chris Allan's speed. I still hope to finish the story in 2020.

hellooooooooooo.....

:teek:

[Kingoji]

Today I recieved and read the ashcans.

Guys, this is SO good. The 'Adventures' Turtles have always been my Turtles, and Allan one of my favourite artists. I felt like I was 10 again reading this, no comic has made me feel that way in years. Congratulations! Can't wait to see the thing finished.

There were a few things I noticed to be fixed, though. A few typos or areas where the dialogue might flow a little better. Also a pretty big art continuity error. You guys are probably already all over these, but I'm happy to point them out in a DM if you like.

[miecook25]

Today I recieved and read the ashcans.

Guys, this is SO good. The 'Adventures' Turtles have always been my Turtles, and Allan one of my favourite artists. I felt like I was 10 again reading this, no comic has made me feel that way in years. Congratulations! Can't wait to see the thing finished.

There were a few things I noticed to be fixed, though. A few typos or areas where the dialogue might flow a little better. Also a pretty big art continuity error. You guys are probably already all over these, but I'm happy to point them out in a DM if you like.
Just out of curiosity are you located in the U.S.? mine were shipped the end of April, and I am still waiting for them.

[Kingoji]

I'm in the UK and also had a huge delay. About a month after estimated delivery. The seller was amazing about it, though.

[Rhio2k]

I assume hardcovers/softcover collected digests will be available when the complete run is finished...so, have the individual issues finished?

[MikeandRaph87]

Do we have an update on the likely release of the hardcover and softcover editions? Have not heard anything about this wonderful project in a couple of months so I was looking for any update. Also, would this be considered official cannon or optional similar to how Image was given a fan fiction ending then got a legit one later. This would be consider the latter,legit,right?

[Leo656]

It would not say "Archie Comics" on the ledger, so 100% non-canon. Merely, "As good as it will ever be" because an official version is simply not ever gonna happen. So, "Close enough to being official" without officially being official.

If Archie ever decided to publish their own version, then that would supersede this one even if it had an entirely different creative team, merely by being an official publication under the same corporate ownership.

They never will, though, so it's "safe" to take this as canon. While keeping in the back of one's mind that there's a 1% chance that someday it won't be.

[Zog The Magnificent]

When it comes to stuff like this; Odyssey, Forever War, the Sea3on webcomic, etc., I've always held the opinion that in the absence of an official word on the matter, I will take what exists. Of course, there's also the matter that without the "official" version making any more installments, arguning canon or non-canon is kind of a moot point since there isn't anything to actually contradict it. Take it if you like it, leave it if you don't.

[Sumac]

IMO, you can always think of any material like this as "what if"s. As in it, it is what can happen in one of the versions of TMNTA, so it is a canon, but its canon for this version of the universe.

At least that's how I approach those situations.

[Wingnut II]

IMO, you can always think of any material like this as "what if"s. As in it, it is what can happen in one of the versions of TMNTA, so it is a canon, but its canon for this version of the universe.

At least that's how I approach those situations.
Honestly, I'm just excited to know Forever War is gonna be a thing.

[Weapons@theready]

Got my ashcans today...truly a things of beauty

[Weapons@theready]

Got a text from my wife today during work asking if I was expecting a package from Russia and I?ve been waiting to get home

[Chris]

When it comes to stuff like this; Odyssey, Forever War, the Sea3on webcomic, etc., I've always held the opinion that in the absence of an official word on the matter, I will take what exists. Of course, there's also the matter that without the "official" version making any more installments, arguning canon or non-canon is kind of a moot point since there isn't anything to actually contradict it. Take it if you like it, leave it if you don't.

What's the Sea3on web comic? First I've heard of that one.

[Diorm]

What's the Sea3on web comic? First I've heard of that one.

From what I understand, it's season 3 from the old Sonic cartoon but in comic form. A little like what they did with the ReBoot: Paradigms Lost webcomic that would answer the cliffhanger of the last season with Megabyte taking over.

[oldmanwinters]

What's the Sea3on web comic? First I've heard of that one.

From what I understand, it's season 3 from the old Sonic cartoon but in comic form. A little like what they did with the ReBoot: Paradigms Lost webcomic that would answer the cliffhanger of the last season with Megabyte taking over.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=61494&highlight=sonic

[DK2]

It would not say "Archie Comics" on the ledger, so 100% non-canon. Merely, "As good as it will ever be" because an official version is simply not ever gonna happen. So, "Close enough to being official" without officially being official.

If Archie ever decided to publish their own version, then that would supersede this one even if it had an entirely different creative team, merely by being an official publication under the same corporate ownership.

They never will, though, so it's "safe" to take this as canon. While keeping in the back of one's mind that there's a 1% chance that someday it won't be.

Things have changed in all these years with the TMNT property. I don't think Archie would out of the blue come along and nab the TMNT licence again or do an actual Forever War conclusion. Its not like the old days, IDW has the comics rights now. But out of the blue Archie did do that digest reprint of the old TMNT Adventures three parter in 2009. At the time no one had the TMNT comic rights other than Mirage doing their 2 (kinda) titles then. So who knows?

[Adventuremaster18]

What's the Sea3on web comic? First I've heard of that one.
Sea3on is a fan comic continuation of the 1993 animated series Sonic the Hedgehog, commonly referred to as Sonic SatAM. It ended on a cliffhanger with it's second season and despite many attempts by head story writer Ben Hurst to make a third season or film to finish the story, it never happened and he died in 2010.

Sea3on is a fanmade web comic based on his notes pre-2010 (his full notes released after his death are different in some areas, especially regarding Nicole's origin) and is pretty damn good, on par, if not better than the show's writing in some cases.

They are also currently working on an animated adaptation of Sea3on, to give the show the third season it never got and provide some closure, even getting people who are professionals in the animation industry involved. It's not official, but it probably the closest will ever get to a true third season of Sonic SatAM, especially since Sega seems to not care about it at all anymore.

[mart43]

My apologies but I need to know if Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Forever War is completed yet.

[Demon-Alukard]

My apologies but I need to know if Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Forever War is completed yet.

Not yet. Part 4 in the progress now (75% done at the moment). As it's depends on Chris Allan, all we can for now -- just wait. I still hope to finish Part 4 in 2020 and the whole story in a 3-4 months after that.

[MikeandRaph87]

Not yet. Part 4 in the progress now (75% done at the moment). As it's depends on Chris Allan, all we can for now -- just wait. I still hope to finish Part 4 in 2020 and the whole story in a 3-4 months after that.

So March 2021? My parents have a tradition where they gift me something TMNT every year since I was 3. I wanted the hardcover collection to be it.

[Diorm]

That's a cool tradition!

[MikeandRaph87]

That's a cool tradition!

Yeah, and its wrapped in TMNT 1987 era wrapping paper.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/404268504025629857/?nic_v2=1a5QMUy3a

It will be 30 years this Christmas.

[funatic]

So March 2021? My parents have a tradition where they gift me something TMNT every year since I was 3. I wanted the hardcover collection to be it.

Are your parents interested in adopting me? I'm a relatively self-sufficient 34-year-old. :tlol:

[Romaji]

Not yet. Part 4 in the progress now (75% done at the moment). As it's depends on Chris Allan, all we can for now -- just wait. I still hope to finish Part 4 in 2020 and the whole story in a 3-4 months after that.

How do I order the hardcover set?

[Demon-Alukard]

So March 2021? My parents have a tradition where they gift me something TMNT every year since I was 3. I wanted the hardcover collection to be it.
I hope so! From March to May 2021. Awesome tradition, btw)

How do I order the hardcover set?
Just send me a message, I'll let you know the details.

[MikeandRaph87]

Not mean to be pesky by asking about the progress as I wait with baited breathe. The quality of IDW's ongoing has me even more invested in this. Any chance on having this in my hands by my next birthday in mid-March?:) If not its cool, I have waited since 3rd grade and I am all for quality.

[Leo656]

It's "bated", Champ. :trazz:

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

Pretty bad when the resident wrestler is a better speller :tlol:

[Leo656]

Hey, I excelled in Language Arts, pal. :trazz:

[MikeandRaph87]

You excel in the art of choreographed wrestling.

I am hoping for a teaser. Like confirmation of Future Don's demise or a tease in how Shredder of issue #4 is aware of everything afterwards and warped time after the Future Shark Trilogy. Maybe the further future that Armaggon is stuck in #44's epilogue.:tgrin:

[Romaji]

Have any issues beyond the first one come out?

[Kyo Hisagi]

Have any issues beyond the first one come out?

Nope. Only 1st issue + Ashcans 1-3.

[Romaji]

Nope. Only 1st issue + Ashcans 1-3.

What are ashcans?

[Kyo Hisagi]

What are ashcans?

Pre-final issues. "Forever War" ones were printed without ink and color done. Just pencils + speech bubbles.

If you take Last Ronin for example, it's a completely different story- the issue was drawn from start to finish by Kuhn and we've got full colored Ashcan, that is not much different than any other comic book (maybe a little bigger?), but when he parted ways with IDW, they hired a new person so the final first issue is not the same as Ashcan.
(Sry for broken English haha)

[Demon-Alukard]

Forever War Part 4 Ashcan coming soon, guys! ;)

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/fw_4_pencils1.png.png

[MikeandRaph87]

Forever War Part 4 Ashcan coming soon, guys! ;)

http://www.turtlemania.ru/projects/tmnt_forever_war/fw_4_pencils1.png.png

I really like what I see! Are there any projected dates yet for overall the completion? Looks like you have 80% in the can.

[Demon-Alukard]

I really like what I see! Are there any projected dates yet for overall the completion? Looks like you have 80% in the can.

For now I believe in August 2021. Chris done with Part 4 and will continue after the short break.

[MikeandRaph87]

For now I believe in August 2021. Chris done with Part 4 and will continue after the short break.

I was hoping by May realizing my March hope has passed. Ah, well, I waited since I was a 9 year old I can wait longer.