Rise Official Episode Discussion S1 EP16 Shadow of Evil

[Vicky82]

As the Turtles try to lure Baron Draxum out, Splinter tries to get to the bottom of odd goings-on at April's new job.

Here's a clip

https://tmntvicky.tumblr.com/post/184264816810/zimmertw-will-the-ultimate-tmnt-foe-be

[neatoman]

Bebop and Rocksteady fakeout, that's kinda funny.

[Vicky82]

Wow, that was really good episode and got a lot more backstory.

So Shredder is a demon that was banished 500 years ago by scattering his armour.

Splinter finally reveals he's Lou Jitsu and his ancestors were the ones who banished Demon Shredder and make sure the Foot Clan don't get hold of the armour again but Lou Jitsu didn't believe in the story and decided to become a movie star.

It was funny seeing April and Splinter together while the Turtles fighting the mutated bird in the background. :lol:

Loved the Bebop and Rocksteady reference.

Splinter fighting the turtles was pretty good, Splinter is a good fighter.

[IndigoErth]

"Our destiny begins tomorrow and we are way behind."

https://i.imgur.com/s5zLE8E.gif

Yup, and that totally sums up this series so far. And perhaps intentionally? Hopefully that suggests we're finally at a turning point to some extent.




Pretty decent and glad they threw some backstory in there to try to explain this sudden revelation. I really wasn't too sure this show would hardly bother enough.

Mystic/demon Shredder... predictable, but not in a bad way, and fitting. And helps that this is probably (I assume) pulling from the old Tengu Shredder idea. (And I'm kind of wondering if that was the initial inspiration to even go in this mystic direction in general...)

My only real complaints about this one is needing to tone down some of the overdone hyperness a few notches -- some of that level of crazy is just distracting in a way that doesn't help it -- and just the nonsense, often common to today's cartoons unfortunately, that is a waste of precious storytelling time that it could have done without. (e.g. The going back and forth with Splinter to convince each other of what they were each up to and the overly long and unnecessary cover removal from the "pump sandals.")

Other things... haha B&R, the giant bird was kinda cool.... but why the hell did April not question or appear confused and/or shocked when Splinter was telling her about his life and fame when she and the Turtles had all been oblivious of this? Though I'm glad it was revealed to the Turtles. After April being unfazed I thought maybe we were just skipping it and pretending everyone already knows...

While there is still plenty of room for criticism, for what it is this show really is at its best on the rare occasion it gets back to its supposed theme. I hope that last line from Splinter did suggest it might finally make eps focusing on that theme a little more equal portion of the series now.

[Leofan26]

Prediction time, Shredder won't appear till season final in what I'd love an hour episode for once * sigh*

Still that ending got me hyped. Maybe will get a hint of Shredder in next weeks episode because the foot and recruit are credit for it I guess along with Leo and Donnie so they could get defeated by Shredder in the ending scene.

I'd love it if next season focused more on actual plot and development for Leo becoming the leader. One thing that's confusing, guys said this was a pre sequal to the later shows, as in Leo will become leader soon and Shredder popping up so and so on. Shredder we knew wasn't reborn this way, maybe to some extent in the 2003 version. Guess they wanted to change a few things but.

Over all not bad, at least you finally can understand Splinter's character in this series, wonder if he will try to get his boys into shape now? Would love to see Splinter notice things about his sons, like Leo being more fit for leadership while training them but guess will see.

[Vicky82]

No new episodes for 3 weeks, I guess it's because almost everyone will be at the cinema watching End Game.

[neatoman]

Out of all the 4Kids things to stick, I didn't think the ancient demonic Shredder who can be revived by reassembling parts of his armor would be one of them. Even the last show and the IDW series did variants on this concept. What is it about this idea that appeals to writers so?

Aside from that, I guess it was nice to human foot ninja aside from the crackhead. I guess it also makes sense for the Foot to use a shoe store as a front.

[matteso586]

1) What are the odds that one of the women in Splinter's flashback is Tang Shen? She was name dropped in Hot Soup: The Game.

2) April must be crazy if she doesn't recognize the "paper thieves".

3) I wonder who's going to voice the Shredder.

4) Has Draxum considered the possibility that the Foot Clan might double cross him as soon as Shredder is brought back?

5) Still think that Lou Jitsu is a stage name.

[neatoman]

1) What are the odds that one of the women in Splinter's flashback is Tang Shen? She was name dropped in Hot Soup: The Game.

2) April must be crazy if she doesn't recognize the "paper thieves".

3) I wonder who's going to voice the Shredder.

4) Has Draxum considered the possibility that the Foot Clan might double cross him as soon as Shredder is brought back?

5) Still think that Lou Jitsu is a stage name.


Pretty likely.
Yeah, that's kind of bad in terms of continuity.
I guess he's going to have a "scary" voice, so maybe Ron Perlman or Mark Hamill.
It's pretty obvioius that they will, he's just going to be kids' show dumb and not realise it until it's too late.
Yes, obviously it's a stage name.

[IndigoErth]

Given the still frame fight scene and the sword my initial thought was Karai, but that would actually be pretty awesome to see Shen made into a fighter, rather than just an innocent bystander who dies as a result of others conflicts.

If we're talking one among the starlets/celebrity hanger-ons he was dating... oh god, please no. :tlol:

[shredder orokusaki]

And you were saying that i will not be on this but iam coming!

[matteso586]

I can't help but notice that on the diagram that made Splinter freak out, Shredder's hands don't look like the gauntlet in Warren Stone's possession. And didn't the Foot Clan already collect Shredder's left hand?

[Leonardo2003]

No new episodes for 3 weeks, I guess it's because almost everyone will be at the cinema watching End Game.

Operation normal aired on Nick Toons today, and airs again tomorrow if you want to record it.

[Leofan26]

Operation normal aired on Nick Toons today, and airs again tomorrow if you want to record it.

Wait, it aired already? And on NickToons Tv of all places? Did you see it? What was it about?

[Leonardo2003]

Wait, it aired already? And on NickToons Tv of all places? Did you see it? What was it about?

I know there’s a synopsis on it on Turtlepedia, but I missed it today. I have it recorded for its airing tomorrow morning. In about 6 hours I think

[IndigoErth]

EENT. Tv listings lied.

Saw it listed for the 11am block along with Sparring Partner, which played first. And the one that really played after it... Portal Jacked. So maybe Operation Normal really hasn't been on yet. (Which would have been kinda random for NickToons to air it itself sans ads anyhow.)



Not overly suprised though, seeing as how the listings, or at least mine, still after many months list Origami Tsunami as Original Tsunami.

[ninjawolf10]

This episode sounds so good, but we've still not had any new episodes since Christmas in the UK :-?

[Leonardo2003]

This episode sounds so good, but we've still not had any new episodes since Christmas in the UK :-?

Wow, that’s tough. This one was my favorite one yet.

[Vicky82]

This episode sounds so good, but we've still not had any new episodes since Christmas in the UK :-?

We are getting new episodes starting May 4th.

[Powder]

Overall, I liked this episode, but considering it sort of introduced Shredder, let alone such a seemingly bad-ass one, I wish it had been handled a bit more seriously. I'm usually the last guy to be critical of this series 'cause I know it never marketed itself as anything other than what it is, this is the first time I've taken issue with an particular entry's tone, or choices, I guess. I think it's mostly just April that ruined it for me. She's the only character/thing in this series I can't stand. Both her level of involvement & her personality. :tlol: Granted, I have very particular notions of what she should be as a character, & few more than Mirage's & 4kids' meet my approval.

No problem with the shoe store front, that was funny as heck. I like Splinter taking things into his own hands and going undercover in the clan, too. His temperament, laziness, & general vibe reminds me a lot of Mark Martin's Splinter, & I love kung-fu master tropes, too, so I love him. I know people gripe about how he's played up to seem useless, goofy, or uncaring, but that's obviously not true, nor is his coming off that way entirely unprecedented. Human Foot ninja, hell yeah, an exciting prospect, even if I was already completely sold on the origami versions. Shredder's design, from what we can see of it, looks amazing. I really like the background on it so far, too. I wasn't terribly excited for his inevitable return, as part of this series' charm is how it does its own thing, but I'm definitely eager to see where they go with that now. Mystic stuff rules.

The side-gag of the turtles dealing with that crow mutant was amusing. I don't mind them playing the background once in a while one bit, it's fun. That's another part of what I like about this show, how they're not afraid to give one particular turtle their own episode, or have the whole gang off on their own while we see Splinter's day unfold.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

5) Still think that Lou Jitsu is a stage name.

Yes, probably a reference to jujutsu.

[victory_angel]

I know this series is trying to instill a lot of Season 5 of the TMNT 2k3 into this. But I got some serious Ronin Warriors flashbacks with this whole plot about the Shredder.

[oldmanwinters]

EENT. Tv listings lied.

Saw it listed for the 11am block along with Sparring Partner, which played first. And the one that really played after it... Portal Jacked. So maybe Operation Normal really hasn't been on yet. (Which would have been kinda random for NickToons to air it itself sans ads anyhow.)



Not overly suprised though, seeing as how the listings, or at least mine, still after many months list Origami Tsunami as Original Tsunami.

That might be alright!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5VDIjSgSEww

[Technogeek29]

I dug this episode, wish I had more time out of life to comment every now and then. Still not my favorite version of the TMNT but every now and then I find an episode I like.

[Gunpowder]

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Man, that subway retreat has to be my favorite part of the whole show thus far... I wish I had that in GIF form. :tlol: This was such a good episode.


Splinter fighting the turtles was pretty good, Splinter is a good fighter.
YES! Loved that as well. As soon as they started mockingly laughing, I knew they were about to get their asses kicked.


but why the hell did April not question or appear confused and/or shocked when Splinter was telling her about his life and fame when she and the Turtles had all been oblivious of this? Though I'm glad it was revealed to the Turtles. After April being unfazed I thought maybe we were just skipping it and pretending everyone already knows...
Right? April seems too comfortable/aware/competent in this series... Even the first episode portrayed her this way. I wonder when/if we'll get some backstory on her?


2) April must be crazy if she doesn't recognize the "paper thieves".
Reminds me of Tiger Claw not recognizing Casey upon their second encounter in the 2012 show.

[shredder orokusaki]

Yes, probably a reference to jujutsu.

Yes his name is Hamato Yoshi. There is no Japan nane Lou Jitsu. It is his nickname he was using when he was working on the movies.

[Xav]

There is no Japan name Hamato Yoshi either.

[shredder orokusaki]

Both my name and Hamato Yoshi are Japan names. We are Japansese so we have Japan names!

[Utrommaniac]

ALL RIGHT, now THAT'S what I'm talking about :D !

This is exactly what I had hoped Rise would be, and it was great.

[TMNachoT]

What a great episode!

[Gunpowder]

ALL RIGHT, now THAT'S what I'm talking about :D !

This is exactly what I had hoped Rise would be, and it was great.

What a great episode!

Yes, yes. I agree.

[shredder orokusaki]

Yes now iam coming to beat the turtles!

Here are some screenshots of my new lair. As you see now my lair is a shoe shop! Now no one is going to suspect that this is my lair

http://i68.tinypic.com/1enx0.jpg

And HERE IT IS ME THE SHREDDER!
http://i66.tinypic.com/2d2btkw.jpg

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I must say, this episode was really good and is definitely my favorite episode.

This was pretty much a turning point for Splinter as a character. I'm eager to see what kind of training he's going to teach his sons. We're likely to see some new type of gags as well. I enjoyed the fight between Splinter and his sons as he sees, criticizes, and looks disgusted with how sloppy and incompetent they've become without proper training. I'm surprised he also didn't ground them for being so bad at fighting.:lol: His training with them is going to make the action more interesting.

I had a feeling Shredder was going to be a resurrected soul from years ago, with this series' mystic themes and all. Very Ninja Tribunal but I like it.

The foot were pretty hilarious. Including the Lieutenant and Brute's fanboy moment were they find out that Splinter's Lou Jitsu.

The only weak point of this episode was once again, April. At this point, I honestly could care less if she's written out of the show.

Yeah, I admit. I liked this episode. It probably ties with Origami Tsunami as my favorite episode so far.

[Sabacooza]

Why has Amazon totally skipped over Portal Jacked and Sparring Partner? That's odd.

[shredder orokusaki]

Why has Amazon totally skipped over Portal Jacked and Sparring Partner? That's odd.

THEY are not released on dvd yet.

[Sabacooza]

THEY are not released on dvd yet.I'm referring to Amazon digital download.

[PrincessUtrom]

I really like this episode. just the flashback leaves me to think that when Shredder will come back, it will hurt turtles and bring serious in the universe.:kgrin:

[Poweranimals]

So I was rewatching this episode and remember Splinter telling his sons he would explain everything at the end of the episode but is it just me or have they not acknowledged anything since?

[Leonardo2003]

So I was rewatching this episode and remember Splinter telling his sons he would explain everything at the end of the episode but is it just me or have they not acknowledged anything since?

I’m pretty sure I recall splinter saying something like ‘this journey begins tomorrow, not tonight because we need sleep.’ It would’ve been nice to see him in the last episode, since it was foot/Draxum driven. Ward and Suriano said Splinter goes through the biggest character arc in season 1, and he was on the right track after shadow of evil. Sad we haven’t seen him since.

[IndigoErth]

Not quite.

"But I will tell you everything. My sons, our destiny begins tomorrow and we are way behind... Now...someone carry me, I can hear my bones rattling!" (edit: Gif pun not intended. lol)


Meanwhile, several eps later and more than two months in the real world...

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