TMNT Shredder in Hell #3 Preview & Discussion

[AlZarkovski]

First look:

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[Igglet]

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I'm so excited, this series has been my favorite mini since Secret History of the Foot Clan so far, Mateus knows what he's doing.

[ProphetofGanja]

Hell yeah, this is gonna be tight

[Utrommaniac]

Shredder in Hell, Or:
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[Redeemer]

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lol that gif is hilarious and true :lol:

[Igglet]

lol that gif is hilarious and true :lol:

Thought it fit well. :lol:

[bushido]

Full preview here (https://graphicpolicy.com/2019/05/14/preview-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-shredder-in-hell-3/).

[ChosenOne]

Is it me, or does that thing on Cover B look a lot like Archie Null's final form?

[AquaParade]

I feel like it can be a true challenge to try write an engaging story-line that takes place over four issues of a character self-reflecting and hallucinating in hell. It sort of scares me away from checking this book out, despite just how awesome "Shredder in Hell" sounds as a title.

For that reason alone, I've yet to check out the book, but I may when it is all said and done, because if nothing else, it should be entertaining based on the artwork alone.

[Igglet]

I feel like it can be a true challenge to try write an engaging story-line that takes place over four issues of a character self-reflecting and hallucinating in hell. It sort of scares me away from checking this book out, despite just how awesome "Shredder in Hell" sounds as a title.

For that reason alone, I've yet to check out the book, but I may when it is all said and done, because if nothing else, it should be entertaining based on the artwork alone.

I feel like the series will absolutely be captivating, and it's certainly done a good job at establishing the afterlife while staying mysterious, but I feel like making Saki sympathetic without forcing him to do a complete 180 will be a challenge. So far, I'm not feeling him too much, though I assume that'll change soon.

[daggio]

If reading the IDW series has shown anything, it's that the characters do not stay static in their characterizations. They grow and change, just like in real life. And Shredder is no exception. It looks like the wheels are in motion for him to be an ally of the Turtles (maybe even replacing Splinter in that role should he die shortly). I'm not a huge fan of Shredder becoming a full-fledged ally (maybe he'll be more like Hob) but it definitely creates some interesting story telling in the years to come....or maybe if and when Karai takes over the Foot, he'll be her Chunin.

[Igglet]

I find it kind of funny how I've stopped even thinking about commenting on the art or the action because Mateus is doing so damn well that I don't even feel like there's any need to point it out.

F in the chat for my boy Yoshi. What's depressing is, if the story takes place post-Yoshi dying in the main ongoing (if that ends up happening and I don't get banned), then this might chronologically be the last we ever see of Splinter.

Fun issue, #1 is still my favorite though.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I liked that this issue felt a little more straightforward than the end of the previous issue.

LOVE the Dragon's design, too... very evocative of the Shredder.

I'm also still absolutely 100% convinced that Splinter dies in the ongoing, and chooses to come help Saki in this series rather than embrace the peaceful afterlife he has earned.

[Utrommaniac]

So...we would basically have watched him die twice by the time that rolls around?

[ChosenOne]

In the words of the late, great David Carradine's masterfully acted Bill: "It all sssuddenly ssseems ssso clear."

[Igglet]

In other words, I might not get banned. Hoooray.

[daggio]

This issue reminded me a little of Dragonball Z. Besides the little exchange of energy blasts between Saki and Tatsuo, the fact that the Dragon needs both Saki and Tatsuo to be whole again (if I'm understanding this correctly) reminds me of Cell needing Androids 17 & 18 in order to become complete.

[ChosenOne]

This issue reminded me a little of Dragonball Z. Besides the little exchange of energy blasts between Saki and Tatsuo, the fact that the Dragon needs both Saki and Tatsuo to be whole again (if I'm understanding this correctly) reminds me of Cell needing Androids 17 & 18 in order to become complete.

Don't forget the whole Buu debacle, including/especially the recent developments in the Super manga.

[CyberCubed]

Good issue. I have no idea what's going on, the story is lost on me, (I'm sure the final issues will make more sense when it comes to a close), but it's good.

[martinitolove]

LOVE the Dragon's design, too... very evocative of the Shredder.


So now we know that the toon2003 foot emblem is no a stylized foot sign, but the IDW dragon sign! Fantastic!!!

The art is great, storytelling medium, so far. I hope the last two issues will bring more order in the current chaos. But I'm enjoying the spin-off and like to watch Mattheus develop himself! Like Sophie Campbell - making steps from artist to writer. It's wonderfull to realize the development of the TMNT IDW series and of the creators behind it!!!

Keep it this way and continue with the numbering after #100! :tgrin:

[ChosenOne]

Keep it this way and continue with the numbering after #100! :tgrin:

I second that!

[Utrommaniac]

I'm pretty sure the Foot Emblem from the 2003 show came from the shape of Ch'rell's scar?

[shredder orokusaki]

The foot emblem was the Ninja tibunal emblem that i made some changes on it to make it like a Foot.

[funatic]

This issue reminded me a little of Dragonball Z.

heh, I've never even seen a single episode and I also thought of Dragonball Z. Mainly due to the Demon Kid's hair/outfit. :trazz:

[Powder]

You can def feel Matteus' anime influences, & I love it. Channeling Akira a whole lot, to say the least!

[daggio]

I'm also still absolutely 100% convinced that Splinter dies in the ongoing, and chooses to come help Saki in this series rather than embrace the peaceful afterlife he has earned.

On that vein, I'm hoping the TMNT we've been seeing are creatures creating by that tentacled, Lovecraft-like creature just intended to mess with Shredder and not the real deal, cuz if they are the real deal, that doesn't bode well for them.

I know I might get a few eyebrows raised for what i wrote... "Daggio, how could you think the TMNT are gonna die in their own book no less?" Well, if they do, they would almost definitely come back to life rather quickly, but be used for purposes like this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

On that vein, I'm hoping the TMNT we've been seeing are creatures creating by that tentacled, Lovecraft-like creature just intended to mess with Shredder and not the real deal, cuz if they are the real deal, that doesn't bode well for them.

I know I might get a few eyebrows raised for what i wrote... "Daggio, how could you think the TMNT are gonna die in their own book no less?" Well, if they do, they would almost definitely come back to life rather quickly, but be used for purposes like this.

Nah man, it's all trippin' mind illusion stuff. Hell's a nightmare, you just don't get to wake up.

And I'm a little worried Splinter might be toast in the spirit realm now, too...

[CyberCubed]

Interesting that they're trying to make Shredder sympathetic when he's probably going to wind up fused with Tatsuo and the dragon by the end of this arc or whenever Kitsune resurrects him. Then probably be killed again whenever that arc ends, because I can't see an all powerful Dragon Lord let free to roam Earth for more than a story arc or two...unless they pull the "seal the ancient evil away" card like every franchise does.

[Utrommaniac]

To some degree, he's always had something going for him in regards to sympathy. I'm surprised they didn't play up the "man outside his time" angle (same with Splinter - who seemed to immediately latch on to soap operas).

[neatoman]

I knew it! The Dragon has three eyes!

...

Why do I care about being right about it?

[Toxin45]

Interesting that they're trying to make Shredder sympathetic when he's probably going to wind up fused with Tatsuo and the dragon by the end of this arc or whenever Kitsune resurrects him. Then probably be killed again whenever that arc ends, because I can't see an all powerful Dragon Lord let free to roam Earth for more than a story arc or two...unless they pull the "seal the ancient evil away" card like every franchise does.

Well shredder and the patheron arc will wrap up in the next arc or two just wait and see. Well just simply purged the dragon with suprise shredder being alive again would be a neat twist. Given that karai being a villain in the city at war arc she would probaly die too.

[ChosenOne]

IDW builds up the Dragon for 100 issues as the ultimate big bad. Nobody comes in out of nowhere in issue #100 and stabs him to death.

(Bitter? Who's bitter? I'm not bitter. :lol:)

[CyberCubed]

Given how City at War and Karai seem like it'll go on to issue 100, I guess the Pantheon/Shredder stuff won't happen till after. Originally I thought before but judging by the current pacing it doesn't seem too likely.

[daggio]

Given how City at War and Karai seem like it'll go on to issue 100, I guess the Pantheon/Shredder stuff won't happen till after. Originally I thought before but judging by the current pacing it doesn't seem too likely.

We've got so much coming up after 100.....what you mentioned, CyberCubed, Null (hopefully), Ch'rell, whatever fallout occurs after issue 100 (presumably Karai still being alive and in charge of the Foot), Bishop and the EPF, and whatever it was Honeycutt saw on the screen last issue (maybe Maligna?). And that's just the potential rogues gallery. All issues involving the Turtles themselves and their allies and/or friends will obviously have some book time.

[CyberCubed]

Well I don't see Null or Ch'rell doing anything for a long time (unless the Utroms get involved, but doesn't seem like they have a reason to). They've purposely delayed Ch'rell and Null from doing anything in the main series (even with Ch'rell let out, he only got a few panels of screentime to be put on the shelf again), so they're likely saving them for post issue 100.

[Igglet]

Given how City at War and Karai seem like it'll go on to issue 100, I guess the Pantheon/Shredder stuff won't happen till after. Originally I thought before but judging by the current pacing it doesn't seem too likely.

Honestly, I genuinely can't even imagine the possibility of them not doing the whole Dragon thing during City at War for several reasons. City at War is supposed to be the culmination of the entire story so far. There is absolutely no way they'd dedicate such a major portion of it setting up something we won't get any payoff for until AFTER this story that, in many ways, is meant to feel like a finale for the last 50 issues. They wouldn't have Kitsune popping up to Karai right as the set-up for the storyline started. We wouldn't have a massive mini with arguably the most beloved artist who's worked on the run at the helm of it just as this colossal storyline begins. They wouldn't foreshadow the implications of Karai's sword and its connections to the Pantheon..

You mention pacing, but, even though the story feels like it's taking its time due to month-long gaps between issues, it's actually going extremely quickly. We've only gone through one issue of this arc and **** has already hit the fan, with Splinter's Chunin potentially being sent to the chopping block.

There's a very clear way this story can transition into Pantheon territory. The first half of the story deals with the war between Splinter and Karai. #96, Karai seems to win the war with Splinter's dying, Kitsune makes her move, Saki comes back from the dead. The reason why I'm so sure all of this will happen, in particular Splinter's death, is because please Bobby, don't let Redeemer win, I've so much more to live for.

[ChosenOne]

Honestly, I genuinely can't even imagine the possibility of them not doing the whole Dragon thing during City at War for several reasons. City at War is supposed to be the culmination of the entire story so far. There is absolutely no way they'd dedicate such a major portion of it setting up something we won't get any payoff for until AFTER this story that, in many ways, is meant to feel like a finale for the last 50 issues. They wouldn't have Kitsune popping up to Karai right as the set-up for the storyline started. We wouldn't have a massive mini with arguably the most beloved artist who's worked on the run at the helm of it just as this colossal storyline begins. They wouldn't foreshadow the implications of Karai's sword and its connections to the Pantheon..

You mention pacing, but, even though the story feels like it's taking its time due to month-long gaps between issues, it's actually going extremely quickly. We've only gone through one issue of this arc and **** has already hit the fan, with Splinter's Chunin potentially being sent to the chopping block.

There's a very clear way this story can transition into Pantheon territory. The first half of the story deals with the war between Splinter and Karai. #96, Karai seems to win the war with Splinter's dying, Kitsune makes her move, Saki comes back from the dead. The reason why I'm so sure all of this will happen, in particular Splinter's death, is because please Bobby, don't let Redeemer win, I've so much more to live for.

You're not afraid that'll feel somewhat rushed? It could go either way, the wrap-up to City at War could easily fill all 8 issues of the arc without even getting into the Shredder/Dragon and Pantheon stuff.

I actually had a dream last night where I read a reply by Bobby over on his thread saying this would spill over onto issues #102-103. :lol:

[Igglet]

You're not afraid that'll feel somewhat rushed? It could go either way, the wrap-up to City at War could easily fill all 8 issues of the arc without even getting into the Shredder/Dragon and Pantheon stuff.

I actually had a dream last night where I read a reply by Bobby over on his thread saying this would spill over onto issues #102-103. :lol:

Honestly? I feel like 4 issues is quite enough for both mini-arcs. Technically, the first half got 6 issues, and the second half is getting a double-sized one with #100. I'm not sure, though, I feel like pacing's been really off with the previous few arcs so maybe you're right.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Is it just me, or does the demon kid look a little like Naruto?