Batman vs Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie discussion

[Vicky82]

With the movie being released digitally tomorrow, thought it was best to do a separate post for discussion.

Also this thread will have spoilers so don't come in here if you don't want to be spoiled.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Great. I like the idea of separating pre-release speculations (like "What will it be about?") with actual post-release discussions ("Did you like it or not?").

[DonnieTello]

I don't normally nerdgasm, but I did when Donnie said bossa nova in this one. Like a genuine involuntary gasp of shock and awe. Oh yeah, and it's a good movie. I would say a little better than Turtles Forever.

[newfan]

Is it wrong that I didn't want to see Batman beat Shredder in their first fight?:lol: Team turtles! Obviously I don't want the side to win though.
Should Shredder have been better against Batman?

I'll say it one last time,.....Donnie's head! Anyway I can get past it, watching the rest of it.

Edit: A lot as I expected, not bad.

Funny how Donnie kept insisting it was 'anti-ooze' and Batgirl called it Retro Mutagen.
Given the drawing of Splinter we saw in a past story I am kinda glad he wasn't in it, I liked that Leo mentioned him a lot though.

[AquaParade]

If this is the best TMNT cartoon ever made, I'll watch it.

But since that's not too high of a bar, lovely nostalgia aside, I'm really not all that interested otherwise.

Excited to hear what you all think though.

[Allio]

credits was pretty awesome

They show classic Batman/TMNT comic book covers redone in to incorporate the other team.

For example it showed the Mirage Raphael Micro and instead of Casey Jones it shows Raphael with Nightwing

[Vicky82]

Really enjoyed it and there's possibility of a sequel.

[DonnieTello]

Really enjoyed it and there's possibility of a sequel.

There was a sequel tease? That's amazing. Hopefully they adapt Batman vs. TMNT 2 so we can have a Donatello movie.

[oldmanwinters]

There was a sequel tease? That's amazing. Hopefully they adapt Batman vs. TMNT 2 so we can have a Donatello movie.

Let's hope they do Donatello more justice if they do adapt that storyline into animation.

[Vicky82]

There was a sequel tease? That's amazing. Hopefully they adapt Batman vs. TMNT 2 so we can have a Donatello movie.

Yeah it was after the end credits.

[Allio]

considering it showed

jokerfied shredder

the sequel will be quite different

[newfan]

I didn't wait for the end to see, not sure I like the sound of what I just read in the post above though.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

considering it showed

jokerfied shredder

the sequel will be quite different

The Batman Who Laughs versus the Joker Who Shreds: Dawn of WTF

[oldmanwinters]

Can I get a SPOILER'd list of which characters appear in the film?

[neatoman]

Judging from the color pallete and character design, I thought this was gonna be a kids' movie. Imagine my surprise seeing blood gush from a broken nose within the first 8 minutes, imagine the one I got from the guy getting stabbed in the forehead 2 minutes later. Then the... I'm not gonna spoil it but it certainly pushes it over the egde of child friendly. Also "hell" not being substituted with "shell". I kind of assumed Nickelodeon was going loosen the child friendly restrictions for TMNT cartoons sooner or later, I just didn't think it would be this one. Or maybe WB had full creative control over this one, either way I approve.

Speaking of approval, I don't really have any problems with most of the changes from the comic. I don't like that some characters were removed/reduced but otherwise it's fine. The removal of the multiverse aspect is probably for the best, it was such an uninteresting distraction anyway. The implication that the TMNT are part of the DC universe might seem strange but the other DC characters aren't part of it, so it's not really worth thinking about. It's worth it because it means we instead get to see more of Batman and TMNT specific plot devices take a more prominent role.

In general it's a pretty enjoyable movie. Some general issues but I don't expect much from direct-to-video.
This movie's version of Splinter pretty much has to have the same backstory as in the 1990 movie, right? We see the scars on Shredder's face.

[AquaParade]

Judging from the color pallete and character design, I thought this was gonna be a kids' movie. Imagine my surprise seeing blood gush from a broken nose within the first 8 minutes, imagine the one I got from the guy getting stabbed in the forehead 2 minutes later. Then the... I'm not gonna spoil it but it certainly pushes it over the egde of child friendly. Also "hell" not being substituted with "shell". I kind of assumed Nickelodeon was going loosen the child friendly restrictions for TMNT cartoons sooner or later, I just didn't think it would be this one. Or maybe WB had full creative control over this one, either way I approve.

Speaking of approval, I don't really have any problems with most of the changes from the comic. I don't like that some characters were removed/reduced but otherwise it's fine. The removal of the multiverse aspect is probably for the best, it was such an uninteresting distraction anyway. The implication that the TMNT are part of the DC universe might seem strange but the other DC characters aren't part of it, so it's not really worth thinking about. It's worth it because it means we instead get to see more of Batman and TMNT specific plot devices take a more prominent role.

In general it's a pretty enjoyable movie. Some general issues but I don't expect much from direct-to-video.
This movie's version of Splinter pretty much has to have the same backstory as in the 1990 movie, right? We see the scars on Shredder's face.

Hell, maybe I will buy this today just to show support. It's not like I think swearing and blood are integral to good TMNT stories, but anything that sends a signal to Nick/Viacom that adults are willing to pay for TMNT, I'm down to support.

[Sabacooza]

One little thing I found kind of cool was when Shredder first jumped down to meet Batman. It was very reminiscent of the 1990 movie when Shredder jumped down into frame in slow motion. That's a nice little nod to the original movie.

I'm sure there's loads of other Easter eggs in this.

[lonewarrior20]

loved it, there were so many Easter eggs in this one. anyone else spot the bit of mikey nun-chucking from the opening of the original animated series?

[neatoman]

Come to think of it, this isn't just the most violent animated TMNT adaptation, it has to be the most violent adaptation period. No matter how hard I try to remember, I don't think any of them depicted humans getting stabbed and cut, certainly not with gushing blood. The closest I can remember is robots and green/yellow blooded monsters getting cut, or at the very least it happened off-screen if it was a person. Like when Mashimi dies in the 4Kids show, we know Yoshi cut him, we just don't see it happen or the wound.

[sdp]

Come to think of it, this isn't just the most violent animated TMNT adaptation, it has to be the most violent adaptation period. No matter how hard I try to remember, I don't think any of them depicted humans getting stabbed and cut, certainly not with gushing blood. The closest I can remember is robots and green/yellow blooded monsters getting cut, or at the very least it happened off-screen if it was a person. Like when Mashimi dies in the 4Kids show, we know Yoshi cut him, we just don't see it happen or the wound.

It's cool to see that Viacom will allow this, maybe a more adult adaptation could be made one day.

[shredder orokusaki]

I will beat Bamtan. Yes you see blood because i cut evryone in pieces! That why iam THE SHREDDER!

[Ashwolf]

Best tmnt movie yet imo. Didnt care for a few of the nods thrown in there but the action, characterization, and bits toward character growth do more than make up for it.

Gotta say though, wasnt expecting a animated version to come around so soon that actually had blood in it but yay that it did! Finally some progress toward getting a darker, adult version.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

1990 TMNT will always be #1 to me, but this was absolutely fantastic. Best TMNT movie since 1990. Only small problem I had was the way the Turtles looked. But it was so good I got over it very quickly. I will be buying this on Bluray because I will rewatch this many times.

[neatoman]

I will beat Bamtan. Yes you see blood because i cut evryone in pieces! That why iam THE SHREDDER!

I don't know who Bamtan is, nor does Google yield any results as to who Bamtan is. Who or what is is Bamtan? How does one beat Bamtan?

[Ashwolf]

I don't know who Bamtan is, nor does Google yield any results as to who Bamtan is. Who or what is is Bamtan? How does one beat Bamtan?

My guess is by bashing him with a pan :lol:

[Turnstone]

Am I reaching or was that one scene where one of the turtles throws a foot soldier toward the screen a nod to turtles in time? The way he looked while hurtling toward the screen look just like the video game.

[jignat]

Am I reaching or was that one scene where one of the turtles throws a foot soldier toward the screen a nod to turtles in time? The way he looked while hurtling toward the screen look just like the video game.

Do the TMNT curse in this?

[Chaotix12345]

Leo says "Hell." Can't remember if there were any others.

[Vicky82]

I think Mikey says Crap, during the fight with Batman.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think Mikey says Crap, during the fight with Batman.

The foulmouthed scalawag. Has he no decency!?

[Venom]

So I just watched the “Suit up” trailer to this and loved the callback to the original TMNT opening with the guys on the rooftop in the same poses at back then!!

[Zog The Magnificent]

That was really good. Much better than I was expecting, actually. I'm glad they took time with the mutant Arkham inmates this time around, and I really hope this ends up leading to more movies of this caliber. My one complaint was that they kept mispronouncing Ra's Al Ghul, which wouldn't have been as annyoying if they hadn't pronouced it correctly a few times.

[Filespit]

Watched it yesterday, really enjoyed it! It's probably the best on-screen-adaptation of the Turtles so far, it's the perfect balance between being serious and comedic. There are some serious fan service moments as well, which I certainly enjoyed. The Turtles' design aren't perfect though, I will never understand why this modern-day Donatello has to be tall and slinky, or why Raphael has to be big and square-shaped, but you get used to it quite quickly and we've seen far worse over the years. All in all I'm pleased with what I got, and I'm certainly hoping we get either a sequel or a standalone TMNT movie in the same style as this one.

[AlessandraDC]

Was there a Castle Rock reference thrown in or would that be too much of a stretch? One of the actors is Noel Fisher...

[Sobble]

:tgrin::P:D I can't wait to buy this movie on Blu-ray or DVD I might watch it along with my rise of the teenage mutant Ninja turtles DVD

[DVD]

Great movie.
Since the comics came out, I always hoped that they would follow through with a movie. Glad they did, and glad they didn’t disappoint on any level.

Now, will they do another one next year?

[Jester]

Despite his limited screen time, I love Baxter in this.

[sdp]

Finally watched it and liked it a lot even if I didn't love it. I'm a big fan of both batman and tmnt but as I've said in the past not a fan of these two crossing over with each other. Haven't read any of the previous crossovers but counting there's 4 and they're in injustice 2, the TMNT are no strangers to the DCU anymore.

As a batman movie it's fairly mediocre but as a TMNT movie it's fairly decent. Even with so many characters almost all got a small time to shine. You don't see the personalities of the turtles too much, especially Donnie/Raph but it's fine. The character designs worked much better in motion as well. Seeing the batman rogues mutated was actually much cooler than I thought and it worked really well. Shredder was simply badass, didn't like his voice, the other voices were good. Joker Shredder ending is not something I wanna see in a sequel but as an ending we don't see more of it's ok.

I'd love a full series of TMNT with these TMNT and that Shredder, I feel an actual show could make use of the darker setting but at the same time let the turtles be a bit more light hearted without being in Gotham city. That design of Barbara Gordon would make the perfect April O'Neil as well. A Batman show with these designs would be fine but not my ideal. I do hope we get a Batman VS TMNT 2 down the line as I'd love to see more of this, maybe Batman going to NYC?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Is there anyplace to watch this online? I want to see it, but reaaly don't want to wait until it comes out on dvd/br.

[AquaParade]

Am I wrong to be surprised at how little discussion this garnered? I knew this place wasn't very populated these days, but this seems like a semi-noteworthy event for the TMNT compared to the amount of talk on here.

[pferreira]

I don't know who Bamtan is, nor does Google yield any results as to who Bamtan is. Who or what is is Bamtan? How does one beat Bamtan?Sunbed? Lotion? :P

[Chaotix12345]

Very fun little movie. I like how despite being an animated adaptation, it didn't necessarily make the original comic obsolete or anything. They take some of the big bullet points and dialogue from the comic, but remix things with changes both subtle and not-so-subtle in a way that truly makes it its own thing. (The post-credits and what happened to Bats in Arkham in particular took me by surprise.) I'd love to see what they'd do with a sequel, so I hope this does well enough to warrant more partnerships.

(Though, did anyone else find that Foot Ninja mutating into a freaking straight-up T-REX with no human aspects whatsoever a tad ridiculous? :lol:)

Am I wrong to be surprised at how little discussion this garnered? I knew this place wasn't very populated these days, but this seems like a semi-noteworthy event for the TMNT compared to the amount of talk on here.

I think that's mostly because it's only currently available digitally and a lot of people are waiting on the Blu-ray. (Plus, some have been vocal about their general disinterest.)

[sdp]

I wrote a little more about my thought's on the movie and how much I'd like to see an animated show from these turtles here (https://miscrave.com/articles/batman-vs-tmnt/). I'd love to follow more of these turtles, if no sequel I'll take the credit comic sequence as actual events that happened in universe for these turtles since after all they do live in the DC U here. PS, yes that Baxter was awesome.

[Redeemer]

Am I wrong to be surprised at how little discussion this garnered? I knew this place wasn't very populated these days, but this seems like a semi-noteworthy event for the TMNT compared to the amount of talk on here.

Have to face facts, this forum is dead. :lol:
It will be telling how many people come back when more info about the new movie is released for people to discuss.

I think the other reason is bc the movie was not that good imo.
I didn't like the design of the turtles, they were just terrible. I also hate how they mutated every villain in Arkham again....I hated it in the comic cross-over and I hate it now. I also hate how stupid they make Mikey in this....... It's just a disrespect to his character. Damian was the most shocking character in the movie. I could not believe it was Damian until he referred to Batman as "father". The most terrible characterization of any of the characters in this movie.

There was also a big scene that was not in the movie that was in the comic cross-over and that is when Bruce shows Raphael crime alley and explains his reason for becoming batman.

I was shocked at how much blood and killing there was in the movie.

There was some good to the movie, but its hard to point them out with so many negative jumping out at me.

[Shark_Blade]

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[cammy85]

I saw it last night. Chances are it will get more discussion when physical media is available.

It went as expected. The villain actors were spot on and Baxter fly is sure intelligent for being a fly. You didn't see that before. Highly recommended, and it's easy to miss something important. They did really well with this!!

[AT-Man]

I loved it! Much better than the comic. The Arkham prisoners mutating was done perfectly in this movie, while they were just suddenly mutants for no particular reason in the comic. All characters are used appropriately. The humor is great and many good jokes aren't underlined to ruination. Making everyone look good is the best possible fan service.
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Why can't WWE do that with their wrestlers?

[AquaParade]

Finally watched.

While I'll never stop beating the drum in support of this crossover, I couldn't make myself sit through the whole movie.
I felt a single endorphin rush through my head when Raphael brutally knee'd a foot ninja in the face, causing a spurt of blood. At this point, it's a treat to see the kiddy gloves come off. Other than that though, there wasn't really anything here for me. The plot is as paper thin as you would expect, the animation is on a tight budget, and the jokes just aren't funny to me. I rarely enjoy these DC animated movies, so the film had an uphill battle to win me over.

I'm glad I had a chance to check it out, and I hope this is selling well. I still think it's a step in the right direction for TMNT animation.

[mikey22]

Michelangelo..... push some buttons...\


IMMA HIT ALL OF UM


that definitely seemed like something i woulda wrote

it was a great movie

felt like it paid a lotta homage to the 90 movie w/ shredder doing the jump down slow..

also enjoyed mike w/ his chucks looking like the opener from the theme song
what more could you ask for?


splinter and clayface because both were in the comic

i prefer turtles w/ dots for eyes instead of just white circles

but i enjoyed a lot

the guy who did batman was almost as good as conroy and hamill shocked it was the same fellow

[victory_angel]

I'm cool with all the characters in this incarnation, though I did have some problems with Raph and Donnie.

Donnie is cool in this version though the faces they give him at times do get rather weird. It reminded me of those "Draw the face" toys where you use metal shavings to create a face on a generic Character.

Raph, I'm cool with his design. Though I am a little iffy about Darren Criss voicing him because it didn't really sound like Raph. It sounded like Blain from Glee trying to voice Raph. With Raphael, you normally think of someone who is big, gruff, and mean. The sort of person who would knock your block off first and ask questions later. An the voice they gave him sounds more suitable for maybe a 12-year-old Raphael not a 16-year-old Raphael.

Though I did love Raph saying "Hey, Creature! Leave that kid alone!" a total playoff of Pink Floyd's The Wall where they yell "Hey, Teachers! Leave us kids alone!"

[FlawedCoil82]

I am still rather annoyed that this doesn't appear to be getting a stand alone DVD here in the States. According to Amazon, the only way to get the DVD is either getting a Region 2 DVD or buying the Bluray combo pack (which will not fit in with all my other DVDs on the shelf. I hate when companies pull this loathed stunt. Just like they did for Season 1 of Netflix's "Daredevil" series. Yet bafflingly, Season 2 did get a DVD release here). Idiot executives! :x

[Andrew NDB]

(Though, did anyone else find that Foot Ninja mutating into a freaking straight-up T-REX with no human aspects whatsoever a tad ridiculous? :lol:)

Oh jeeze. Let that right there be the reason why I will never watch this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh jeeze. Let that right there be the reason why I will never watch this.

Maybe that Foot Soldier touched a T-Rex right before he was exposed to the mutagen?

That'd make it all better, right? Right? :tgrin:

[IndigoErth]

:D More please.

Not without it's "cons," but they're only small annoyances and all-in-all it was pretty enjoyable. A breath of fresh air and a bit of a morale booster in the era of "empty calorie" cartoons like 'Rise.'

Likes: Most of it. Fun, and I'm glad to actually for once see something for an older audience. On-screen murder might not necessarily have been necessary to get that, just saying, but either way...


I agree, the dinosaur was really a bit too random to accept with nothing to explain most of the mutations to start with. The "how" is definitely left up to a viewer's prior knowledge of how the mutagen works. But dead fossilized DNA probably shouldn't be able to work out that way. :tconfuse:

Mikey could have been played a little more serious half of the time. Sporadic comic relief, great, but it was maybe just a little too frequent. But I generally enjoyed his nonsense. All the brothers were pretty great though. To get mature, serious Leo back, and that the guys are kind of reminiscent of the 2003 lot... :tlove: ...but it would have been nice if Leo wasn't frowning literally the entire time. You can be serious and still smile once in a while too, it just makes it that much more enjoyable to see with him.

Only thing that bugged me about the treatment of him is that unless it was in the wake of an event he's struggling with, like in 2003 dealing with a bit of PTSD, it didn't really make sense to me hearing Leo told to focus multiple times and tamp down any anger. Sans any given reason for it...this is Leo we're talking about, he's got this. That part could have used a little backstory to support it so it doesn't seem out of place. I like how the one scene did touch on his greatest fears though; almost as if this does take place within that 2003 PTSD period. (And Leo being a messy eater just feels odd.) All and all he was awesome though.

Raph and Donnie, not much to say, they were pretty great too and fine aside from their designs being a little "blah." (Though personally I'd tweak all the designs a little, but that's just me.) I really liked Raph trying to talk sense into (and relate to) Batman, that was a good moment for him.

Baxter... worked well, but this being the first that doesn't sound whiny or a bit maniacal and without his own ulterior motives felt slightly lacking.

Initially I thought Shredder could sound a little more sinister, but it's really kind of reminiscent of the tone and voice of the actor in the 2016 film, so at least in that regard it's played in a way that's kind of familiar.


Can't really comment much on the Batman cast of characters since I'm not that familiar with them. Batman was pretty cool though. I know Harley Quinn is crazy or whatever, but god damn that girl is annoying. And not knowing that she and Joker are an item until this movie was... ewwww...


Hopefully, there will be a sequel, like the end seems to hint at, and look forward to grabbing a copy of that one too.

[Xav]

The villain actors were spot on and Baxter fly is sure intelligent for being a fly.Was he smarter than the 2012 Baxter fly?

[FlawedCoil82]

I am still rather annoyed that this doesn't appear to be getting a stand alone DVD here in the States. According to Amazon, the only way to get the DVD is either getting a Region 2 DVD or buying the Bluray combo pack (which will not fit in with all my other DVDs on the shelf. I hate when companies pull this loathed stunt. Just like they did for Season 1 of Netflix's "Daredevil" series. Yet bafflingly, Season 2 did get a DVD release here). Idiot executives! :x


Well Walmart came to the rescue! I was shocked when I saw the standalone DVD (Walmart Exclusive) for $14.96. So I am eating crow on this one. But I enjoyed the movie (despite not being overly fond of the Turtles' designs). I hope that they make another (the post credit scene would seem to suggest that that is a possibility).

[IndigoErth]

Was happy to see that too. I don't recall it even being listed on the website previously (seems to be now though), so I was prepared to have to buy the combo. Glad to have been able to save some dollars.


Since it's a DC product, I doubt the basic DVD is missing out on any TMNT extras or anything like that anyhow. (Right?)

[Sabacooza]

There was an insert that came with the Blu-ray about taking a survey dealing with the Batman TMNT Blu-ray. Anyone doing that? It might be a way for them to see if future films are worth it. Obviously, sales are also a big factor.

[vicsavage]

I really appreciated the Batman/TMNT mashup covers that appeared during the credits. It wasn't just the expected juxtapositions either; there were some deep cuts in there.

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[bmxbandit]

Couldn't wait to run back to these forums to see what everyone else thought. Seems like it has been too long since there was anything positive to speak on.

This adaptation was amazing! It was the perfect combo for me of enough genuinely funny and light hearted moments mixed with serious bad ass fight scenes. All the little easter eggs were great too! Looks like the folks who created this movie have a real passion and understanding of the source material.

I will definitely be filling out the survey insert that came with the Blu-ray giving it a rave review in hopes for a sequel!

[ranger_scout]

This is my 2,000th post here on Technodrome Forums, so it's very fitting that I share my thoughts on this epic crossover. When I first heard about this movie, the Kindergartner I was 25 years ago had come back and freaked out. Batman, Robin, Batgirl and the Turtles were my favorite superheroes as a little boy along with the Power Rangers. This crossover was miles better than the one that Saban's versions of the Turtles had with the heroes from Power Rangers in Space.

The personalities of the four brothers were very faithful to previous source material. Barbara Gordon/Batgirl also brought some great girl-power to the battle and I liked her chemistry with Donnie. I liked how Batman learned a valuable lesson about teamwork and family from Raph. Leo also became a better fighter thanks to Batman. Mikey's bond with Alfred was funny. It would've been nice to know which Robin was in this movie. I wasn't sure if it was Dick Grayson because the one I grew up with saw Batman more as a guardian than a dad. Robin called Batman, "father" and that didn't give a definitive answer. The villains were also entertaining and bad to the bone. This is definitely a must-own for both Batman and TMNT fans.

[IndigoErth]

Is it wrong that I didn't want to see Batman beat Shredder in their first fight?:lol: Team turtles! Obviously I don't want the side to win though.
Should Shredder have been better against Batman?
Likewise. I'd normally never want Shredder to win and I was trying to root for Batman, but...but...I felt strangely torn over that scene. :tlol: The fight I never knew I wanted to see. The 2007 Leo/Raph fight pales in comparison!




This movie definitely has brought back that urge to want to see more; that hasn't happened since 2012 wrapped up. Nice to feel that again for a TMNT thing. Hope they come through with a sequel. No survey included with the basic DVD from Walmart though.. Hope those with them do fill 'em out. ;)

[victory_angel]

This is my 2,000th post here on Technodrome Forums, so it's very fitting that I share my thoughts on this epic crossover. When I first heard about this movie, the Kindergartner I was 25 years ago had come back and freaked out. Batman, Robin, Batgirl and the Turtles were my favorite superheroes as a little boy along with the Power Rangers. This crossover was miles better than the one that Saban's versions of the Turtles had with the heroes from Power Rangers in Space.

The personalities of the four brothers were very faithful to previous source material. Barbara Gordon/Batgirl also brought some great girl-power to the battle and I liked her chemistry with Donnie. I liked how Batman learned a valuable lesson about teamwork and family from Raph. Leo also became a better fighter thanks to Batman. Mikey's bond with Alfred was funny. It would've been nice to know which Robin was in this movie. I wasn't sure if it was Dick Grayson because the one I grew up with saw Batman more as a guardian than a dad. Robin called Batman, "father" and that didn't give a definitive answer. The villains were also entertaining and bad to the bone. This is definitely a must-own for both Batman and TMNT fans.

This robin was Damian Wayne. It wasn't revealed in dialogue or the credits, but this Robin does regard Batman the way he would a father. Because Batman is his father...which would also mean his grandpa was kicked in the nads by Leonardo.

If there is a sequel they could probably bring in Tim Drake as Nightwing, particularly since that after credits scene hinted the Shredder has become the "Laughing Man" from the cross over comic.

On the whole, I loved this story and I have no real complaints aside from the voice given to Raph sounded too young to work for a sixteen-year-old Raphael.

I would have liked to have seen Ra's al Ghul approaching the Shredder or vice versa rather than having it begin with the two of them joining forces. Still as a fan who has grown up watching Ninja Turtles and has wondered what a less kid-centered storyline could go, this film proves that the Turtles can be created for a mature audience.

[Ashwolf]

Likewise. I'd normally never want Shredder to win and I was trying to root for Batman, but...but...I felt strangely torn over that scene. :tlol: The fight I never knew I wanted to see. The 2007 Leo/Raph fight pales in comparison!




This movie definitely has brought back that urge to want to see more; that hasn't happened since 2012 wrapped up. Nice to feel that again for a TMNT thing. Hope they come through with a sequel. No survey included with the basic DVD from Walmart though.. Hope those with them do fill 'em out. ;)

The survey honestly felt like it was focused more on wat future dc content should be made, big surprise :roll: and the formats 2 make it on. But there was a question in there about which dc characters would be interesting 2 see in a future crossover though no idea if it'll be another mix-up like this....

[ABrown]

I picked up the blu ray/dvd/digital combo pack. I love getting those now, when something gets released. You're basically getting three copies for just over the price of one. I enjoyed it. The 2007 TMNT movie is still my favorite animated TMNT movie ever created, but this was good. I love Troy Baker's Joker. He sounds exactly like Mark Hamill.

[slingtheory]

Just finished it after waiting for the bluray.Thought I'd come here to give my thoughts but I guess it turned into a mini review.
I was a little skeptical going in even having read the comic. This being a DC project and all I was expecting the tmnt to be marginalized but I actually really like the way they were handled. I also really like that even though it pulled from the comic theychanged/added just enough that it could be it's own new story. It has its issues for sure. Like the way mutation works here isn't really explained well and the random t-rex foot soldier that came out of nowhere doesn't make much sense on any level.Overall though I liked more about this than I didnt. I feel like things were balanced well, and everyone in the main cast got cool character moments. This version of Baxter actually got a couple of laughs out of me which I didnt expect.
Speaking of Baxter seeing him as a fly and this being a main stream thing featuring the turtles I was worried they might go overboard with the 87 references but I'm happy that wasnt the case. There's some nods and Easter eggs but like putting batman in the grey and blue it seems more about paying tribute to a classic than pandering.plus there's other stuff here that really gives you a sense these guys care about both sets of characters and thier history. The credits are a standout and the name they give shredders new super move is a pretty deep cut from turtles lore.
My favorite part of this was the fight scenes. Seems like they really went out of thier way to emphasize the martial arts aspect of this in a way the recent live action movies should be ashamed of. This is the kind of stuff I really hope we get more of in the future.Particularly great was shredder vs batman. I'm glad they didnt just go all in on making batman superior but actually showed them as being on par with each other even giving old shredhead a slight edge.i like the final fight between the two here more than in the comic because they didn't resort to putting bats in a battle suit to win.
I guess I should also mention the violence. I wasn't expecting there to be any blood in this at even though I knew blood was spilled in the comic. Shredder and Ras take it to a whole new level though. Now I dont really think a story needs that to be considered mature but funny as it is to say it's kind of nice to see. You get so used to tmnt being seen as this solely kid friendly thing that is refreshing to see them take part in an animated story where the villains pose a serious enough threat that people die in an explicit way. Thats something you never really to see outside of the comics so I appreciate it here. I really hope if nothing else this whole crossover thing shows Viacom that there's an audience out there for turtle content aimed at an older demographic.

[King Kahn]

I loved it. It was a lot of fun and I def want a sequel. I really loved the awesome fake comic covers at the end as well.


Am I wrong to be surprised at how little discussion this garnered? I knew this place wasn't very populated these days, but this seems like a semi-noteworthy event for the TMNT compared to the amount of talk on here.

eh, most people, myself included, gravitate towards TMNT or other fan groups on facebook etc. I have gone less and less to actual message boards anymore.

[IndigoErth]

My favorite part of this was the fight scenes. Seems like they really went out of thier way to emphasize the martial arts aspect of this in a way the recent live action movies should be ashamed of.
Especially since it takes a lot longer to create it in 2D animation than it does to record actors/stunt guys doing it! It really does put those films to shame. On top of the obvious care given that Bay & Co. on the other hand could hardly be bothered with.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Bought it yesterday, played it during dinner. LOVED IT! This is what I wish more TMNT movies could be like. Plenty of humor at appropriate moments, and loads of NINJA action. My only (minor) complaints were- Mikey was, as usual, played as a bit of an idiot, and the plot hole regarding the inmates at Arkham. Also- Harley's voice was really grating. I know it was Tara, but she really could have toned it down on the screechy, harshly accented voice. Everyone else was fine, even Raph, whom others seem to have a problem with. But to me he sounded just as a young Raph should.

The artwork was amazing, though the turtles' heads looked a bit odd. But it was nothing I couldn't overlook, and it fit well with the somewhat stylized animation. My favorite part was the battle at the end. Ras al Ghul and Leo, that's all I will say.....

[pferreira]

I picked up the blu ray/dvd/digital combo pack. I love getting those now, when something gets released. You're basically getting three copies for just over the price of one. I enjoyed it. The 2007 TMNT movie is still my favorite animated TMNT movie ever created, but this was good. I love Troy Baker's Joker. He sounds exactly like Mark Hamill.A shame they couldn't get Kevin Conroy. I wonder why?

On top of the obvious care given that Bay & Co. on the other hand could hardly be bothered with.It would be wrong to say the PD didn't have any hard work put into them by people behind the scenes but the films lacked competence in the scripts as well as direction. Not for a lack of trying but a lack of skill, making the right decisions. :)

[Shinigami]

I really tried. It was cool as a what-if fan film, but nothing made and sense and it was really just constant fan service and references. Fun, but not by any means a noteworthy movie in my opinion.

[IndigoErth]

It would be wrong to say the PD didn't have any hard work put into them by people behind the scenes but the films lacked competence in the scripts as well as direction. Not for a lack of trying but a lack of skill, making the right decisions. :)
Agree, there are unsung people who did to their own jobs well. Notable obvious ones being whoever cast the Turtles' actors and those behind the design, creation, and decoration of both lairs. And vehicles.

I'm sure the sound people, editing, etc all did a fine job, along with the character model artists; they may not be pretty, but they were well made for what PD chose to go with.

[Chris]

Finally watched it today and really enjoyed it. Hope they do make the sequel teased.

[AquaParade]

Blows my mind to see people on YouTube, like Hector Navarro, call this the “second best TMNT film ever”. Are you kidding me? I appreciate it for taking the TMNT in a new direction and at least treating them as lethal warriors, but it’s really got nothing interesting going on visually or script-wise. It’s incredibly bland, in my eyes.

So yeah, all due respect to opinions and whatnot, but sometimes you gotta call something ridiculous when you feel strongly about it. As flawed as 07 and the PD films are (I don’t care to ever see them again), I find them to be twice as interesting as Batman v TMNT.
Visually, Batman be TMNT simply can’t touch either of them. That goes for animation quality, choreography, cinematography, etc. I realize the designs for PD are hated, and the Batman V TMNT ones are certainly better... but they still aren’t rendered better, and they don’t animate smoothly, or do anything interesting, so it doesn’t count for much.

Idk, I find it borderline disrespectful to call it the second best tmnt film, even if most of them do suck, because I find that all the hard work put into the live action films at least amounts to something somewhat interesting, ambitious, and discussion worthy, while this film is just basic Saturday morning material.

At the end of the day, I’m overreacting, but it was something I wanted to get off my chest. Feel free to critique my points.

[AquaParade]

Blows my mind to see people on YouTube, like Hector Navarro, call this the “second best TMNT film ever”. Are you kidding me? I appreciate it for taking the TMNT in a new direction and at least treating them as lethal warriors, but it’s really got nothing interesting going on visually or script-wise. It’s incredibly bland, in my eyes.

So yeah, all due respect to opinions and whatnot, but sometimes you gotta call something ridiculous when you feel strongly about it. As flawed as 07 and the PD films are (I don’t care to ever see them again), I find them to be twice as interesting as Batman v TMNT.
Visually, Batman vs TMNT simply can’t touch either of them. That goes for animation quality, choreography, cinematography, etc. I realize the designs for PD are hated, and the Batman V TMNT ones are certainly better... but they still aren’t rendered better, and they don’t animate smoothly, or do anything interesting, so it doesn’t count for much.

Idk, I find it borderline disrespectful to call it the second best tmnt film, even if most of them do suck, because I find that all the hard work put into the live action films at least amounts to something somewhat interesting, ambitious, and discussion worthy, while this film is just basic Saturday morning material.

I don’t want to die on a hill of defending PD or 07, but I definitely enjoy SOTO more than this film, if nothing else. It just has much more going on. Mental stimulation.

At the end of the day, I’m overreacting, but it was something I wanted to get off my chest. Feel free to critique my points.

[80gmrp]

...AquaParade, did you mean to write your thoughts twice? XD

Anyway, my thoughts: given my not being wild about Rise's direction, combined with my fears about IDW's direction, I felt this was a good breather when it comes to TMNT. While the character designs and story were clearly influenced by both IDW and 2012, the animation style I felt was pretty reminiscent of the 4Kids era, which is a plus in my book, as that era included most of my favorite cartoons anyway, another example being Invader Zim.

I can't give a concrete opinion about whether this is the second best TMNT movie ever made objectively, since I haven't watched all of the TMNT movies, but I can certainly say that, overall, this is up there for my own taste.

[CyberCubed]

The movie was great and much better than the comic its based on (although I miss Splinter), it took what was wrong or rushed about the comic and improved it greatly.

As for the movie itself it was very good. Lots of great action scenes, easter eggs and fun moments. Loved how each member of the Batman team bonded with a Turtle, Damian was shockingly likeable in this, and I really enjoyed the characterisation of the Turtles in general (since these are technically new Turtles). The overall plot was the same, but it made sense for Shredder to want to become immortal with the Lazarous pits, and Ra's to want to destroy Gotham as usual. Even the villains turning into mutants felt far better in the movie than in the comic and was actually enjoyable.

Was a great film all around. If they do a loose adaption of the second one I'm sure they'll do it much better.

[pferreira]

Agree, there are unsung people who did to their own jobs well. Notable obvious ones being whoever cast the Turtles' actors and those behind the design, creation, and decoration of both lairs. And vehicles.

I'm sure the sound people, editing, etc all did a fine job, along with the character model artists; they may not be pretty, but they were well made for what PD chose to go with.Exactly, well said! :)

[IMJ]

I thought it was terrific. Had a smile on my face through most of it, and I couldn't believe what I was seeing with the first Batman/Shredder fight.

Surprisingly good stuff.

[ProactiveMan]

I liked it for the most part. I liked the art style and colour design - some of the recent DC animated movies look a little rushed and unpolished, but I can't complain about this one. I like blue Batman too, and the odd Mignola-like character designs.

How good is Troy Baker BTW?!

It's weird to say, but the end credits were probably my favourite part. Hit me right in my soft nostalgia glands.

Unfortunately, I thought the writing let it down. Not even the plot necessarily; I've read the comic so I knew it wasn't going to be Hamlet exactly, but the dialog was pretty stinky at times. Too many cliche, copy/paste lines, too many DOA jokes, and weird phraseology that lead me to question if the writer was a native English speaker.

You get that a lot nowadays; dialog that is probably supposed to sound hip and quippy, but comes out like it was written by Yoda's dyslexic younger brother.

I will applaud them for pulling off a version of Damian Wayne that I didn't wan't to throw off a roof. He was a twerp, but a pleasantly endearing one for a change.

[The Great Saiyaman]

Bought it last week and two days ago I finally mustered up the courage to watch it.

As others have said, it's way more violent than I thought it would be, making it clear from the get-go that these aren't the Nicktoon 2012 Turtles, although it also was very obvious that looks-wise they were based on them. (Stocky Raphael, Lanky Donatello) A shame though that they hadn't used more familiar voice actors but I guess that's just budget issues making decisions here.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/2/2c/Tumblr_inline_mmphs9UZ1p1qz4rgp.png/revision/latest?cb=20130515042543
"EEYAAARGH! THIS HURTS, IT HURTS WAY MORE THAN I EXPECTED!"

One thing I always loved about the 2012 series is that they didn't pussyfoot around with how severe a mutation must feel to the one who's mutating. Another good example of that is in "City at war" where Karai changed into her Snake form and is seen convulsing as if going through a grand mal seizure.

So, I was going "They better not pussyfoot around in this movie" and I was not disappointed when seeing the mutations and hearing the persons who mutated screaming and crumpling up in pain.

I was laughing out loud with the mutated Elephant but when the T-rex appeared I was going "They overstepped it here."

The highlight would be Shredder, I loved the brooding, scheming quality they gave him and the fight against Batman was awesome.

[victory_angel]

One thing I always loved about the 2012 series is that they didn't pussyfoot around with how severe a mutation must feel to the one who's mutating. Another good example of that is in "City at war" where Karai changed into her Snake form and is seen convulsing as if going through a grand mal seizure.

So, I was going "They better not pussyfoot around in this movie" and I was not disappointed when seeing the mutations and hearing the persons who mutated screaming and crumpling up in pain.

I was laughing out loud with the mutated Elephant but when the T-rex appeared I was going "They overstepped it here."

The highlight would be Shredder, I loved the brooding, scheming quality they gave him and the fight against Batman was awesome.


I'm glad they had that aspect in the 2012 version as well. I mean the Original Turtles the most painful and disturbing looking Mutation was the one used with Symore Guts AKA Mutagen Man. But most of the time the mutations just happen. The same thing with the 2k3 (and the original Movies), while the mutations are more gradual since Splinter mentioned in his explanation of their origin that he had carried the Turtles to his burrow for the night. Then the following morning he noticed that both he and the Turtles had grown bigger and that he also found himself growing more intelligent as days passed.

In the 2014 movie, we see their transformation take place. But the way the garbage around them shifts during the transformation suggests that their mutation took place over a matter of days rather than having it be sudden. And the whole thing sort of looks like it may have been painful, particularly since all four turtles are shown crying once the transformation was complete.
As in they felt weird and they were too young to understand why, so their natural reaction was to cry about it.

Even Bebop and Rocksteady when they transformed commented they felt strange.

I always saw the Mutations as painful since the bones, muscles, tendons, organs, and everything is stretching, shifting, realigning, or in some cases just melting back into the body. That naturally would be fairly painful...think something like an extream form of phantom limb crossed with the pins and needles feeling you have as a broken limb resets and knits back into place.

[pferreira]

Any idea why Kevin Conroy wasn't asked to voice Batman? This would have been the cherry on top. :)

[youhavemysupport]

Wonderful movie, reminded me of Batman TAS. I hope they make a tournament fighter game based on this.:tpizza:

[rickwj324]

Did anyone pick up on the "Brundle-Fly" voice of Baxter? Clearly he was imitating Jeff Goldbloom!

[Candy Kappa]

Damn this movie was good. Had great action and humor, and I loved all the nods and Easter eggs in it.

[Icebot]

Just saw the movie. I enjoyed it, I’ve never seen any Batman tv shows or movies but it was still cool seeing them together.

[CyberCubed]

This movie is the pinnacle of the franchise since 2016. I'm also surprised how improved it was over the first IDW/DC Batman crossover. They kept all the best parts and left out the worst parts and then made it even better.

If they do a loose adaption of the second they could probably fix that too.

[The-Shredder]

I finally got around to watching this today and it was awesome. It started out a little slow at the beginning and I'm not a fan of Donatello's and Shredder's designs, but the ending battle totally makes the movie. I love how each of the Turtles is able to pair with each member of the Bat Family and even learn from each other along the way.

The level of violence totally took me by surprise because we rarely, if ever, see graphic deaths and blood in TMNT on the screen.

I watched the behind the scenes bonus features afterwards, and it's evident that this movie was a labor of love while giving homage to the source material. I definitely wouldn't mind a sequel.

[oldmanwinters]

Is a sequel more of a question of "when" than "if?"

[sdp]

Do we know sales numbers? If it did much better than their normal DTVs then yeah it'll happen. If it's the same # of units sold then who knows since they have to share revenue with viacom. If it was worse than that then no.

They usually do share data of how each of the DTVs sold so we should know eventually if it did well or not.

[oldmanwinters]

Do we know sales numbers? If it did much better than their normal DTVs then yeah it'll happen. If it's the same # of units sold then who knows since they have to share revenue with viacom. If it was worse than that then no.

They usually do share data of how each of the DTVs sold so we should know eventually if it did well or not.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Batman-Vs-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-(2019)#tab=summary

Seems to me it's probably on par with the recent DC DTV animated films.

You raise a decent point about revenue sharing, although it's possible they paid an up-front licensing fee in lieu of profit-sharing.

[CyberCubed]

They most likely greenlit a sequel as soon as this came out given they need nearly 2 years to get it out.

[Vegita-San]

I'm finally getting to this. wanted to be able to enjoy it without anything else to worry about.

This is the first thing Turtles I've enjoyed in YEARS... almost literally since Turtles Forever, and Feels right. Minus the 'We should see other people' progressive joke that didn't need to be in there. in another time and place it would have been funny and didn't stand out like a sore thumb.

But, thankfully, this is as far from woke entertainment as one can get. and we finally have something that focuses on story and being fun again.

I'd like to see this team produce a more mature turtles series.
One that can last ten years and still feel fresh without constant reboots.

[AquaParade]

It feels like everyone loved this but me. I never felt like I was the pickiest tmnt fan, and this is tight up my alley. Yet, I couldn't get more than 20 minutes in before tuning out.

Maybe I'll try again.

[Coola Yagami]

It feels like everyone loved this but me. I never felt like I was the pickiest tmnt fan, and this is tight up my alley. Yet, I couldn't get more than 20 minutes in before tuning out.

Maybe I'll try again.

Give it another shot. What exactly turned you off on it?

[CyberCubed]

I also don’t understand what could turn you off in the first 20 minutes, I was grabbed from the start

[Coola Yagami]

I mean, seeing Raph bust a thug's nose and actually blood spraying out near the beginning was enough to make you think 'holy ****, this is gonna be awesome'.

[alien_ken]

It feels like everyone loved this but me. I never felt like I was the pickiest tmnt fan, and this is tight up my alley. Yet, I couldn't get more than 20 minutes in before tuning out.

Maybe I'll try again.

I did not really like it eighter so you are not alone ;)

[AquaParade]

At risk of sounding like I'm trying to piss on the parade, I think I was turned off by what I felt were some weak jokes, and the typical subpar animation by DC, despite noticing a few cool shots of Batman. It seems like they did try to get creative, even with the limited animation budget, which is appreciated.

Seeing Raph draw blood definitely felt good. I'll give it another shot and let you all know what I think.

For reference, when it comes to TMNT animation, I apprecite the 2k12 show, quite a bit for it's mix of humor, action, and serialized storytelling. I find the 2k3 series admirable for it's attempt to be faithful to Mirage, but too sterilized and compromised to be fully enjoyable. I like the original cartoon for it's lighthearted attitude, quirky soundtrack, and irreverant humor, but I don't have much interest in watching it outside of nostalgia sake.

I don't have any real interest in "Rise...", "Turtles Forever", or even half the episodes of the series in which I do enjoy. So I'd say I'm not an easy sell when it comes to TMNT cartoons, but I'm also open to seeing different sides of the franchise.

I guess my initial write-off was based off the fact that it felt a bit like TMNT 2k3 to me. A series which, while I 100% appreciate what they were going for, was more frustrating than satisfying, for me, due to limitations with censorship, budget, and runtime.

[Turtle Soup]

Love this movie! Seriously love everything about it.

[wpugh2424]

Holy BatTurtles Batman!!!
This was seriously the best TMNT movie since the 1990 release. This movie has everything a turtle movie should have. Was dark, filled full of action, witty humor, and the plot was nasty awesome. Hope this continues, this was just gnarly.
I can't believe as huge of a turtle fan that I am that I just finished this movie this morning.

[CyberCubed]

This movie kicked a$$!!!!!!1!!1111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!111

TMNT + Batman 4evar. :tgrin::tlol::trazz::trolleye::o:roll::o:roll:

It was the bomb! It OWNED or rather Pnwerzzzzz! It was Gr8 and coolio! Heehee!

[wpugh2424]

Yea I hope the ending means they are definitely making another one
I’m just so impressed with it
If they could do a Netflix series except slightly darker I would be pumped

[PApagreg]

Going to the whole Batman vs Shredder scene I really enjoy the difference between Shredder and Batman's fighting style, both are masters of their craft but you notice Batman uses a lot of western martial arts and has more brawling aspects to his character while Shredder does more flips and is a bit more refined.

[Coola Yagami]

Batman fought in an interesting fashion in this one, mixing in martial arts, some brawling and using his gadgets a lot. I don't recall Batman mixing in his gadgets so often in his fights in other animated versions, in some ways I kinda felt he was 'cheating' a bit. I guess I wanted to see him fight Shredder and the Turtles in a more hand-to-hand fashion, with a few batarangs thrown in without overdoing it.

[wpugh2424]

Batman fought in an interesting fashion in this one, mixing in martial arts, some brawling and using his gadgets a lot. I don't recall Batman mixing in his gadgets so often in his fights in other animated versions, in some ways I kinda felt he was 'cheating' a bit. I guess I wanted to see him fight Shredder and the Turtles in a more hand-to-hand fashion, with a few batarangs thrown in without overdoing it.

Agree with this statement. I felt as though his toys made the difference, but I also felt they made him look stronger than he should be as a martial artist. Maybe thats just me though

[IndigoErth]

So Nicktoons is showing it Wednesday night 8pm; repeat Friday 5pm. I'm a little surprised given the level of violence and hope there isn't any complaint from parents who are caught off guard with that... Esp as the tv listing, at least the one I'm seeing, has it listed as PG, not the actual PG-13 rating. But I'm glad it may have a chance to be more widely seen.

If any parents complain, I hope it does not get used by Nick to say "See?! They only want kiddie stuff!" If anything belongs at 10:30 at night it's this, not 'Rise.' What is with these scheduling people.

[Coola Yagami]

So Nicktoons is showing it Wednesday night 8pm; repeat Friday 5pm. I'm a little surprised given the level of violence and hope there isn't any complaint from parents who are caught off guard with that... Esp as the tv listing, at least the one I'm seeing, has it listed as PG, not the actual PG-13 rating. But I'm glad it may have a chance to be more widely seen.

If any parents complain, I hope it does not get used by Nick to say "See?! They only want kiddie stuff!" If anything belongs at 10:30 at night it's this, not 'Rise.' What is with these scheduling people.

I mean, I'm sure those scenes will edited out due to 'time limit constraint'. 'This has been edited for TV' and all that. Luckily the scenes with blood and whatnot are few and far between so you don't miss too much if they cut those out.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, got to thinking that, hopefully so. Though some of it is involved in places that might be hard to edit, but we'll see...

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, got to thinking that, hopefully so. Though some of it is involved in places that might be hard to edit, but we'll see...

On the bright side, some of the deaths were kinda self-censored/implied. Like when Shredder impaled one of the security guards, yeah, you hear the sounds of blood spilling, but don't see a drop of it. The sound can be edited out easily.

[IndigoErth]

Very true.

Hopefully the holiday timing, at least for the U.S. here, will get plenty of additional people discovering this gem, and increase support for a sequel. (And introduce some to the concept that the TMNT aren't always, and not always intended to be stuck as, "a kids thing.")

[IndigoErth]

Sooo, that was NOT edited and pretty gutsy of Nick to show untouched. o.O

Granted I hadn't watched it again yet since it first came out, so maybe there were edits I didn't notice(?), but I doubt it... Ninja star star to the head, guy gouged through by Shredder, off camera guy vocally being killed... all there.

And this is repeating Friday at only 5pm? Erm... I mean, I love that a wider audience may get a chance to catch it, but that's a little surprising.

[CyberCubed]

Did they keep that one character decapitated? I forget who did it, but either Shredder or Ra's Al Ghul slices off someones head off-screen, but you see the head roll on the floor.

[IndigoErth]

If it was the guard that is decapitated and his head drops right to the side of the screen and his headless body falls over, yeah, that was in it too.


Damn Nick... did they not watch it before adding it to the schedule? We can't get a more mature series? But this, ah what the heck, lets just go for cartoon murder on the kid channel.

[Coola Yagami]

If it was the guard that is decapitated and his head drops right to the side of the screen and his headless body falls over, yeah, that was in it too.


Damn Nick... did they not watch it before adding it to the schedule? We can't get a more mature series? But this, ah what the heck, lets just go for cartoon murder on the kid channel.

Ninja Turtles Does What The Sponge Don't.

[PApagreg]

Damn Nick... did they not watch it before adding it to the schedule? We can't get a more mature series? But this, ah what the heck, lets just go for cartoon murder on the kid channel.

We already had 2k12 for the mature series and season 1 Korra ended with a murder suicide.

[Vegita-San]

hey kids, lets watch the goofy.....AAAAAHHH!!!! sponge, quick!

[sdp]

do christian groups still watch tv? If so they might complain and actually hurt chances of any future darker tmnt projects, if anything this might've been a bad thing for more mature tmnt.

Especially since Rise is also action oriented, they might just say "let's go full comedy for the next reboot".

[IndigoErth]

That's what I'm kind of worried about if some executive were to decide to use it to their advantage if any parents happen to complain. :tsad:

Looks like the repeats tomorrow evening are at 5pm and again at 8pm -- stuck in the middle of a block of 'Rise' eps. o.O What are they even doing? If it was testing the waters for older kids and adult fans that would be great, but on a day and time when the younger ones are likely to have Nick on? Erm...

Pains me to have to forewarn my sister about anything TMNT, but the nephew is only 3 and would have probably been begging her to let him watch had they come across it, so I did give her a heads up. :ohwell:


hey kids, lets watch the goofy.....AAAAAHHH!!!! sponge, quick!
:lol:

[Ashwolf]

do christian groups still watch tv? If so they might complain and actually hurt chances of any future darker tmnt projects, if anything this might've been a bad thing for more mature tmnt.

Especially since Rise is also action oriented, they might just say "let's go full comedy for the next reboot".

That's only more of the extreme bible focused 1s imo. The more extreme and rigid of a Christian is, the more they look down on darker and mature content.

[raph27]

Picked up the Blu-ray on a Black Friday sale, had been meaning to watch this for a while now.

Wow. I was surprised at how much pure enjoyment I got out of that. The characters worked great together and it was nice to see both teams unite. Donnie and Batgirl especially made a great pair.

I was surprised at the tone and violence, considering this went pretty far beyond the stuff we've seen in the TMNT franchise. The shuriken in the Foot Soldier's head and decapitated guard especially stood out to me.

I loved the design of the four brothers, they were different enough without going overboard like the accessories in the PD movies. Overall, I would love to see a full TMNT animated series done like this. I've been distant from the franchise for a few years, but this brought back all the reasons I loved it in the first place.

[Ninja Tiptup]

Sooo, that was NOT edited and pretty gutsy of Nick to show untouched. o.O

Granted I hadn't watched it again yet since it first came out, so maybe there were edits I didn't notice(?), but I doubt it... Ninja star star to the head, guy gouged through by Shredder, off camera guy vocally being killed... all there.

And this is repeating Friday at only 5pm? Erm... I mean, I love that a wider audience may get a chance to catch it, but that's a little surprising.

They did remove the blood (yet kept some of the gush noise) but otherwise it was basically just as brutal and more surprisingly they didn't censor the language.

[IndigoErth]

Oh they did at least remove blood? (Been a while, don't remember how much there was.) I'm surprised they kept the edits so limited then.

[wpugh2424]

Just rewatched this movie and it really has many references and homage to the other iterations. Really cool to find many of these
watched a video from the old turtle den regarding this after I rewatched it and there were a few I didn't think of
recommend watching that video and rewatch the movie

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully the sequel is announced soon. No way are they not making one.

[AquaParade]

Hopefully the sequel is announced soon. No way are they not making one.

If sales were high, yeah. Do we know?

[sdp]

if The-Numbers.com is reliable which has the sales of all the DC direct to video animated films they've done for the past decade TMNT vs Batman did $3,919,424 which is not amazing numbers when compared to the other DTVs but it's also not bad numbers, it sold slightly above average

So I guess based on this a sequel is up in the air, it didn't do bad so there's a possibility but it didn't do gangbusters either so probably won't get a guaranteed sequel, it depends on how much it sold digitally and if sharing the profits because of the license is worth the trouble or just make another Batman movie without sharing any of the pie.

[Autbot_Benz]

Watching this for the first time ever. This movie is perfection. So much better than Rise.

First turtles media I've enjoyed since 2012 turtles

I need a sequel with April Splinter and Casey. The Shredder Batman Fight was amazing. Hope they re work Donnie's design in the sequel. Loved Raph and Mikey. Holy **** Ra's breaks Donnie's arm

Have the Sequel be the 3rd story with Kraang creating the Multiverse and captures the Mirage turtles.

[Powder]

So much better than Rise.

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[CyberCubed]

Watching this for the first time ever. This movie is perfection. So much better than Rise.

Out of curiosity what took you so long to see this, given it came out about half a year ago now?

[Autbot_Benz]

Out of curiosity what took you so long to see this, given it came out about half a year ago now?

I usually wait till Black Friday every year to buy DC Animated titles they get really cheap. so I didn't buy it until than plus I was re watching all the Marvel movies which took a while too.

[Leo656]

I ain't seen it yet either. I'm sure it's fine but I never had any urgency to see it. I definitely plan to, I'm just not in any rush. I kinda don't like the art style too much and it all seems a lot like excessive fan-wank, to me, and I don't always like that.

I swear I seen it on Blu-ray for like $15 finally so I'll probably pick it up soon. I definitely had my hand on it a couple'a times, but I always ended up putting it down so I could buy action figures or something. I'll get around to it.

[Zulithe]

I'm also very slow to get around to seeing this.

I don't generally like crossovers because the stories are very predictable and they are outside of any known continuity anyway so there's even less incentive to care.

But I did watch this because, well, there's just not much going on with TMNT for a while (especially as a non-Rise fan) so I caved.

I liked it. Yeah it was exactly what you expect from this kind of cross-universe crossover... characters from both worlds team up to fight villains from both of their storylines. It did nothing new or inventive there, and wasn't particularly creative about how it unfolded.

I still really enjoyed the overall quality of the film. Great animation, voice acting, some fun fights to watch, really cool designs for the turtles, and I admit, it was fun to see the characters who would ordinarily never see each-other to interact in fun ways. If you can turn off that part of your brain that thinks these two worlds colliding is silly and just accept what it's doing in stride, you'll come to find it does what it does pretty well.

Definitely recommend it for fans of either universe.

(oh, and I really love the figures they made based on this movie. Top notch)

[ABrown]

I actually just gave this a rewatch this week, via the free digital copy that comes with the blu ray/dvd combo pack. I'm really loving those, you're basically getting three copies for just over the price of one. This was such a good movie, easily my favorite thing that's come out of the franchise since Nickelodeon purchased it. Something that I'm trying to figure out. Does this film technically count as a part of the DC Universe DTV animated films (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Universe_Animated_Original_Movies)?

[CyberCubed]

I'm surprised a sequel hasn't been confirmed yet since it ended on a hint for a sequel. And keep in mind its been a few years now so it likely would have been in development long before the whole Coronavirus took over.

[IndigoErth]

A few years? This only came out last spring and pretty sure it was only a matter of months between hearing rumor of it and it releasing. The disc only even came out last June. A little soon to assume anything.

I actually just gave this a rewatch this week, via the free digital copy that comes with the blu ray/dvd combo pack. I'm really loving those, you're basically getting three copies for just over the price of one. This was such a good movie, easily my favorite thing that's come out of the franchise since Nickelodeon purchased it. Something that I'm trying to figure out. Does this film technically count as a part of the DC Universe DTV animated films (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Universe_Animated_Original_Movies)?
It does have that logo stamped on it so I'm going to assume so.

Definitely a DC production, and I'm not even that familiar with their stuff, but as far as Nick goes, this doesn't even feel like it has much of their hand in it at all other than just giving it the green light to happen.

[Jazzfox]

Oh gosh, I do so love this movie

There's some things I'm sad they never included from the comics to the movie - although I suppose the Penguin becoming an ACTUAL Penguin was already too much on the nose anyhow, but damnit, it'd have gave me more material for a YuGiOh fanfic! - and there's a good deal that seems to have been thrown in and I think the movie is a bit better for it

Since the DC Animated movies are each considered their own separate DC Universes, unless a movie otherwise relates back to a previous one, it's sadly unlikely we'll see it brought back up outside maybe a throwaway line, but I do kinda hope they look at coming back to any of the other materials available from the other Turtles/Bat books

Buuuut at the same time, the movie feels so out there crazy from anything on my DC collection shelves, I feel like it would take a lot to outdo this movie if they made a sequel

As is, I'm just super happy to love this as an oddball among my collection, shared it with a nephew finally a month or so ago and we just laughed about the absurdity of a lot of it, he's a big Batman fan and not really into Turtles, but there was plenty for him to love too

I'm a lil saddened to hear the numbers on how it sold, for everything that came together, I really hoped it would have sold better, but I'll be plenty happy to share this one with as many folks as possible and just enjoy some of their reactions, lol

[Voltron]

Troy Baker nailed the Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill voices in this. I was blown away.

[IndigoErth]

It won Best Direct-to-Video/Nontheatrical Movie Release (https://www.mediaplaynews.com/home-media-award-winners-2020/) for the Home Media Awards 2020, soooo maybe that will push a little more support for a sequel. :tsmile:

[oldmanwinters]

It won Best Direct-to-Video/Nontheatrical Movie Release (https://www.mediaplaynews.com/home-media-award-winners-2020/) for the Home Media Awards 2020, soooo maybe that will push a little more support for a sequel. :tsmile:

Hooray, my vote counted! :tlol:

[sdp]

Here's hoping, and this is me knowing the sequel will likely be terrible if it happens.

[neatoman]

Here's hoping, and this is me knowing the sequel will likely be terrible if it happens.

Yeah, not exactly looking forward to the "Bebop and Rocksteady take over New York by taking 'roids" movie. That comic was so stupid, it's like a parody of Toriyama writing. If they have to adapt it, at least make these three changes:

Replace Bebop and Rocksteady with Hun or Darius or literally any villain I can take seriously. You can have them around (though not needed), just don't frame them as Bane's equals, those idiots should be kept as borderline irrelevant henchmen.
Make the evil plot something more intelligent than "Strong men hard to beat 'cuz strong!" and the solution to the problem something better than "Bring ONE more fighter to the battle!". Like I said, this feels like a parody of Toriyama's idea of raising stakes and solving the climax.
Don't waste time on Don taking the 'roids to make himself feel better, that's uncharacteristic of him and pointless.


Also, I'd say make something better from scratch and tackle the third one after that, the second crossover wasn't really relevant anyway.

[sdp]

Well it has to be different since we have Joker Shredder in the ending, but I just don't see a Joker Shredder story being much better either.

[Leo656]

I still haven't read these books or seen this movie. but good GOD, do those books sound terrible. You guys aren't f*ckin' ribbing me, are ya? This is stuff someone actually wrote and got paid for?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I still haven't read these books or seen this movie. but good GOD, do those books sound terrible. You guys aren't f*ckin' ribbing me, are ya? This is stuff someone actually wrote and got paid for?

Sad but true. Bane elephant, if I remember correctly... and Venom Donatello

[80gmrp]

I thought Venom was from Marvel...

Technicalities aside, I have no basis of opinion over the books, since I didn’t read them yet. As for the movie, I’m fully aware it has its flaws, but honestly, to me, better it than some other stuff we have that’s current, especially where my favorite turtle is concerned.

So you say Joker Shredder wasn’t in the comics, sdp? Makes me a little more hopeful for an appearance of LH in any future movie, and it certainly could be interesting if there’s a standoff between him and Killer Croc.

[Candy Kappa]

I thought Venom was from Marvel.

Venom is the name of the substance Bane uses to get stronger

[80gmrp]

Venom is the name of the substance Bane uses to get stronger

Got it. Thank you for clarifying: I fully admit I have more knowledge of Marvel than of DC, no thanks to growing up with Neversoft’s Spider-Man game.

[Leo656]

Sad but true. Bane elephant, if I remember correctly... and Venom Donatello

Oof. Okay, so... nothing but lowest common denominator fan-wank with a "plot" written by a 6-year old playing with action figures. Gotcha.

Maybe if I find 'em in a quarter bin one day.

[M.A.C.O.]

I finally caught up with this movie. I really dug it. I know they took influence from a lot of TMNT media. With regards to the turtles themselves, I felt they were the spiritual successors of the 2K3 turtles. Which made me happy. Since the 2K3 turtle era has largely been forgotten by those outside the TMNT fandom.

The Shredder vs Batman fight was cool. The visual cues of Shredder being a combination of 87 series and the 1990 movie was awesome.

The Batman elements were awesome as well. No complaints there.

Fingers crossed for a sequel on par and better than this one.

[Shark_Blade]

I love how epic and violent the fights are. That’s how you do it.

[CyberCubed]

I'm really surprised we haven't heard anything about a sequel to this, not even that its been greenlit. I'm sure this sold reasonably well.

[sdp]

I doubt it'll happen but who knows, it seems WB is experimenting since we did get that Mortal Kombat animated movie as well. TMNT vs Batman sold as well as other Batman movies, so perhaps WB just doesn't want to give a cut to viacom unless viacom also invested in the development since they're own movies without a licensed character sell just as well or better (though some worse). But didn't the toys fail to sell? That likely doesn't help things. I'd love to see a sequel though despite not loving the idea of a TMNT/DC crossover for being so different.

[Galactus]

I still haven't read these books or seen this movie. but good GOD, do those books sound terrible. You guys aren't f*ckin' ribbing me, are ya? This is stuff someone actually wrote and got paid for?

They all have great art.

Beyond that the first one is surprisingly decent. The pizza and surfer slang are there but kept largely in check. Thankfully the idea Batman could beat all four turtles is largely kept in check too. It goes for broke with the goofiness in the final issue big battle with the inmates of Arkham getting mutated but I can forgive that.

The sequels...well the art is still good.

The movie is actually suprinsing in its portrayal of violence. It leans in heavier on the goofiness and Batman characters getting mutated but the action is well done. I wouldn't mind if a live action TMNT movie borrowed some of the action set pieces.

[TigerClaw]

What if they do another Batman vs TMNT Movie. But one based on the other comic which had the Batman The Animated Series crossing over with the 2012 TMNT.

[sdp]

Yeah, the best thing is that the movie felt fresh, not the viacom TMNT we've gotten. I don't care for the crossover, would rather have a non-crossover WB TMNT animated movie.

[Coola Yagami]

To be honest I'd like to see IDW Bebop and Rocksteady animated, as long as they're still super strong and the guys behind it keep the temptation of making them super dumb and useless.

If you notice, Shredder looked like his 80s counterpart buy was 10X more bad-ass and was allowed to kill, and they had Baxter Fly there. We might get Krang and the Technodrome.

I know a lot of people groan about the 80s turtles but this is basically what many people wanted, finally a cartoon with the general 80s set up but the gloves come off.

[The Turtle Terminator]

CinemaSins have just released their version here:

https://youtu.be/Se98aIIGMag

[Wesley]

Watched the movie for the first time yesterday and enjoyed it. Aside from a few weak jokes from Mikey, it’s really good. Not one of my favourite TMNT films, though, as I’m not as big a fan of Batman as I am of the Turtles.

[sdp]

Still going for a sequel. Just read the first comic,, I prefer some things from the comic but in other ways the movie was better., I wonder whst s sequel could take from the sequel comics since the ending is very different. I hate that there was no dimension hopping and these turtles just live in the DC universe, makes no sense.

[MementoMori]

I've just seen it. I don't like crossovers. And Shredder finishing as a Joker is useless, predictable. I really hope there won't be a sequel... Cos seeing Shredder acting like a Joker.... well... Their both worlds shouldn't have met and to be honest I think that last two decades, we've been overwhelmed by Batman's universes. Too much Batman. Enough now.
In my opinion, this movie wasn't necessary. Just my opinion.

[CyberCubed]

How was the movie not necessary? It was better than the comic book version and well animated with great action, humor, and respected the characters. Also counting as a movie, it's the best TMNT movie we've gotten in about 15 years.

[sdp]

The crossover is dumb, batman should never meet the TMNT. It's still one of the best animated turtles we've ever gotten despite it.

[CyberCubed]

I wanted Batman to meet the Turtles since I was 5 years old and my childhood fantasy has finally been realized.

[sdp]

Nobody is better than Batman
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[Galactus]

How was the movie not necessary? It was better than the comic book version and well animated with great action, humor, and respected the characters. Also counting as a movie, it's the best TMNT movie we've gotten in about 15 years.

That's debatable.

The comic has better overall art style. Freddie Williams art is great especially his version of the turtles and related characters. It's what mainstream versions of the TMNT characters should look like. The designs for the movie turtles on the other hand are a mash up of the Nicktoon and early IDW look. I don't think that's a design that anyone outside of a child would take seriously.

I also think the comic story overall. It keeps the truly silly stuff largely in check until the big blow out at the the end and the sub plot of Raphael thinking that Bruce/Batman is just a privileged thrill seeker and the scene were the bond at the sight of the Wayne murder gave the story gives the story some nice bit of emotion. The only thing I didn't care for in the comic was the the reality swapping and the idea that if they stay in the DC universe too long they de-mutate. The movie did well getting rid of that but it's strange that they also got rid of Splinter, April and Casey when that mean they could have been incorporated more.

The one thing that the movie does do much better than the comic (and I'm still surprised by this) is the more fights. I wouldn't mind at if a live action movie 'borrowed' some of the action scenes.

[CyberCubed]

I liked seeing Splinter in the comic book version, but the movie was more cohesive. They covered mostly the same story beats and we actually got to see the Shredder/Ra's, etc. fights, going from memory the comic version was very short. Not to mention the Arkham inmates being mutants was much better in the movie whereas the comic version only gave a handful of pages to show them.

[lonewarrior20]

I liked seeing Splinter in the comic book version, but the movie was more cohesive. They covered mostly the same story beats and we actually got to see the Shredder/Ra's, etc. fights, going from memory the comic version was very short. Not to mention the Arkham inmates being mutants was much better in the movie whereas the comic version only gave a handful of pages to show them.

i would've loved for them to have released figures of the inmates both human and mutated.