Old cartoon bashing?

[Karpo_007]

Since Krang didn't give me any chance to defend my self, Im doing it here. Krang. How was I bashing the old cartoon in the wich is better thread again? I found one comment very funny, and thats all. It was funny, because if not for yor rule, I could have told why I found it so funny. For respect of that rule, I have done my best to not talk about the Neagtive things of the old show. And yet here we go again.

You are biassed towards the old cartoon, I get that, but you also seem to have a big problem if someone likes the new cartoon better, and say what they don't like about the old cartoon. But that didn't happen in that thread. There was no spam or any arguments going on, and no Old cartoon bashing from mine, or any ohers part[atleast the last time I read it].

[Valorxii]

yeah from what ive read thats all true. give threads a abit of flexibility and life. it would be pretty boring if everyone agreed.

[Barkworm]

I have to back up Karpo. I think you are taking your old series fandom way too serious, Krang. Karpo did an sarcastic remark on Shellfox' comment, that's all (and saying the new series is repetitive in comparison to the new one is funny indeed imo). There was no bashing, not near. It really seems like you get pissed off whenever someone has to say anything slightly negative about the old show like it was a holy cow or something.
Sorry but even thinking about taking Karpo's mod position away because of baby crap like that is pathetic.

[GK Punk]

To be fair to Krang, this site IS about the old 'toon and not the new one.
Now we've gone from "Toon bashing" almost to Krang bashing. lovely.

[Karpo_007]

Yes, I will take my bashing and leave. I made a thread in General discussion.

[Barkworm]

To be fair to Krang, this site IS about the old 'toon and not the new one.
Now we've gone from "Toon bashing" almost to Krang bashing. lovely.
I get that but this time Karpo's comment wasn't really bad enough to consider it "bashing". Krang is exaggerating!
And Karpo, I don't think it's necessary to leave, not because of that.

[VaughnMichael]

man i am sorry dont go
thats just silly
I dont see why it is fair for people to bash the new show and the next mutation hell
even the last 3 season of the old show get bashed but thats ok...
*shakes head and walks away in anger*
Vaughn Michael

[EZweasel]

do what you feel is right, but i dont want to see you go even though we disagree on alot of stuff. i need you here to post those ratings also :wink:

[Karpo_007]

This is not a decision I made in a split second. Check my thread in General discussion.

[Dane E5R]

Man, sorry, nothing against Krang, but I have to agree with Karpo. He did NOTHING to warrent such a harsh warning, or to warrent locking up that thread.

[Valorxii]

just to note as well. so what if there is an argument. why can't people disagree? seriously...

[Krang]

Since Krang didn't give me any chance to defend my self, Im doing it here. Krang. How was I bashing the old cartoon in the wich is better thread again? I found one comment very funny, and thats all. It was funny, because if not for yor rule, I could have told why I found it so funny. For respect of that rule, I have done my best to not talk about the Neagtive things of the old show. And yet here we go again.I posted that because I'm sick of seeing people ridicule others for having a different opinion than them, and that's exactly what you did, Karpo. If someone said something like "the new cartoon is way more popular than the old one" or something like that, I doubt there would be anyone laughing at them, just most likely a polite correction. I think fans of the old cartoon get unfair treatment by the other members here, so I'm trying to even things out.You are biassed towards the old cartoon, I get that, but you also seem to have a big problem if someone likes the new cartoon better, and say what they don't like about the old cartoon. But that didn't happen in that thread. There was no spam or any arguments going on, and no Old cartoon bashing from mine, or any ohers part[atleast the last time I read it].No, I don't care if people like the new cartoon better, or even if they say they don't like the old cartoon. But I'm not going to let people get ridiculed for having an opinion that isn't "popular." Besides, your comment wasn't what caused me to lock the thread, it was because I knew that people on the board couldn't handle a thread like that based on past experience.Sorry but even thinking about taking Karpo's mod position away because of baby crap like that is pathetic.It's not "baby crap," it's a nagging problem. And it's not just Karpo that is causing it.I dont see why it is fair for people to bash the new show and the next mutation hell
even the last 3 season of the old show get bashed but thats ok...How would you like it if you made a message board about the new show, and it was taken over by fans of the old one who began bashing the new cartoon and ridiculing its fans? Now do you see how I feel?just to note as well. so what if there is an argument. why can't people disagree? seriously...Disagree, yes. Flame wars, no. I already have to deal with enough problems here, I don't want to have to try to control a flame war.

Wow, it's amazing to see how quickly people turn on me after I provide a free message board for them without asking anything in return other than to follow some simple rules...

[raphael_is_cool]

People can disagree but soon it escalates to personal attacks which I think Krang wants to avoid, he had some point in saying threads like that are a bit pointless because they start arguments (but I don't think that was the creator's intentions).

I can see where Krang is coming from, this the only message board I've seen that isn't full of arguing and fighting, it's always so friendly and I'm thankful for that. But I believe Krang is wrong for singling out 1 person or taking remarks to heart. The consequences he pointed out seem harsh and everyone knows they have a right to an opinion; you can make people say things (or not in this case) under rules, but you can't make people believe it (1984 reference I think, go smartass me :P )

I for one have happy memories of the old show as a kid and it showed me the whole world of TMNT. I wouldn't really watch the old show now but I don't hate it

[GK Punk]

Wow, it's amazing to see how quickly people turn on me after I provide a free message board for them without asking anything in return other than to follow some simple rules...

see. this is what I was afraid of...
Ever since something over at paradigm city happened, I was afraid that Krang would feel un-appreciated after all he's done for the TMNT Fan community.

Something that needs to be remembered is Krang is a person outside of the forums, just like the rest of us. Certain posts can hurt his feelings, or make him feel like his work is for nothing.

I'm not so sure they really are Turning on you Krang, I think it was just a big misunderstanding.

Call me an ass kisser if you want, but that's just how I feel. I just feel bad for the big guy. He puts up with a lot of our crap, and asks for nothing in return. 's all Im trying to say.

[Valorxii]

"How would you like it if you made a message board about the new show, and it was taken over by fans of the old one who began bashing the new cartoon and ridiculing its fans? Now do you see how I feel?"

Okay I can appreciate you've given us the message board, thanks alot.

But this thread just is just saying that back there in that thread, there was no bashing of the old cartoon, and as Karpo was being sarcastic with his humor, not ridiculing.

[Karpo_007]

Krang, I have a lot respect for you for keeping this place up, and as far as I know paying for it. And that is why I consider leaving. In other message boards I have seen very brutal comments about the old show, and now understand perfectly why you don't want same thing happening here. But like I said in the other thread, I have tried my best not to bash the old show. I didn't meant to ridicule Shellfox, but that was the only way I could respond without going into details, and I wanted to avoid that because it's usually considered bashing.

I'm suprised how many people actually want me to stay... I guess I will try harder once again. And now to update the Farewell thread.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

I posted that because I'm sick of seeing people ridicule others for having a different opinion than them, and that's exactly what you did, Karpo. If someone said something like "the new cartoon is way more popular than the old one" or something like that, I doubt there would be anyone laughing at them, just most likely a polite correction. I think fans of the old cartoon get unfair treatment by the other members here, so I'm trying to even things out.

Yes, I'm definitely in agreement with Krang on this one.

We have so many different personalities here at the forums that disagreements and arguments will inevitably occur. However, the problem I see (from my point of view) is that people take things wwwaaaaaayyy too seriously.

It seems to me that the Land of the Free has become the Land of the Easily Offended. Not a single person can share their honest opinion around here without a hoard of other people wanting to crucify him for it. And that doesn't just apply here at the Technodrome; this could easily encompass all of America. As soon as somebody says something we don't like, they're burned in effigy.

I like disagreements every now and then. It keeps things fresh around here. But, good Lord, some people around here need to take a chill pill. Is something somebody posted really going to matter a year from now? How about a month? A week, maybe?

Nothing that anyone says on here is worth getting all uptight about; the exception to this would be when people start taking personal jabs at others. And that's something we don't need around here.

There is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion. You can dislike the old cartoon or love it. You can hate the comic book or cherish it. But please, people, all this verbal thrasing over petty issues is wearing thin.

"We must fall many times before we learn to stand." - Splinter, from "Turtles of the Jungle"

[Reznorite420]

Do I sense an upcomign reshuffling of mod/admin power on the TD forums? :o :o :o

Sorry, I don't have any real position on this issue, just wondering what the hey is going on, that's all.

[Shellfox]

All I can say is I agree with krang.

I'm not sucking up, and I don't care that this basicly started cause Karpo didn't like what I said= his opinion, his right

The simple truth is Karpo is respected here, and very very vocal as to his opionins, and those opinions at times go aginst the very fondation of this board. And since many people seem to follow Karpos lead striking him down might make the others think twice about crossing the boss and following the basic rules of the site.

Diffrent people have diffrent definitions of Bashing, and over the last few weeks it seems a lot has been bashed for the sack of bashing

[Karpo_007]

I already said I had no intentions of riduling you, Fact is I could have written a long detailed response to those claims, but that would have gone to old cartoon bashing. Maybe you should drop it as well.

[GodzFire]

If we are going to bash things.....let's bash potatoes. Then we can have mashed potatoes to eat :)

[VaughnMichael]

I wasnt agreeing with karpo
in fact I supose I was agreeing with you...
I love the next mutation which I get bashed for all the time and frankly i think you shouldnt allow that either...
I get bashed for loving the red sky episides of the old toon more then anything but no one ever stops that....
people bash the new toon all the time to.....
I'm just saying allot of people here are bashers and it's not cool...
frankly I loved the episodes with lord dregg and mung and when they went to find shredder and krang and lord dregg had krang as part of him ....
it's a shame no one else cares for these episodes that could be compaired to 2003's new sow in my opinion
sorry if I have upset you and I now hope you understand what I am saying but yes I do understand you....and frankly I love the old show more so no worries...
Vaughn Michael

[Karpo_007]

Actually, I have many times said I like the red sky second best after the first season.

[VaughnMichael]

awsome I'm glad I'm not the only one I totatlly agree the first season of tmnt and the red sky are the best I also liked night of the rogues but not many people liked that one....
I didn't mean you were bashing that stuff though..i'm trying to explain as clearly as I can so as not to make everyone all ticked off lol
Vaughn Michael

[heretic888]

Just thought I'd add my thoughts.

I too agree that the first season and the red sky seasons (particularly the first one) were among the old cartoon's best work.

I also did not perceive any "bashing" taking place in the thread beforehand that was closed to Krang. But, hey, that's just me.

[Dane E5R]

I still don't quite agree.. As I said before, I've got nothing against Krang, he's a great administrator, but that doesn't mean he can't make mistakes. I haven't seen anyone bash the old cartoon in a long time, and I didn't see anyone bashing it in that last thread. No one is "turning on Krang," they just don't agree with him on this particular case.

[heretic888]

I still don't quite agree.. As I said before, I've got nothing against Krang, he's a great administrator, but that doesn't mean he can't make mistakes. I haven't seen anyone bash the old cartoon in a long time, and I didn't see anyone bashing it in that last thread. No one is "turning on Krang," they just don't agree with him on this particular case.


Ummm.... dude?? I was agreeing with you. :roll:

[Dane E5R]

Yea, I know bud. That wasn't directed toward you, I was saying I still didn't agree with Krang.

[heretic888]

Yea, I know bud. That wasn't directed toward you, I was saying I still didn't agree with Krang.


Oh, okies. My bad. :D

[Tokka-B]

Yo NTCF: Not everyone here is from America, so not everyone has the same rights/freedoms you have.

[jeff the cheff]

Its ironic cause this forum is the only place where people complain about the old show... I've never met anyone in real life that didnt like it.

[raphael90]

Personally, I love the old show and still like to watch it. I might gripe about some episodes and stuff here and there, but overall its a fun series. I never did see the anime, next mutation, or the new stuff yet...

[Tokka-B]

Yea, the old show was pure quality. Of course the constant whining of April really degraded the show from an older person's standpoint, as well as that stupid "5th turtle"...but everything else worked.

[Karpo_007]

Personally, I love the old show and still like to watch it. I might gripe about some episodes and stuff here and there, but overall its a fun series. I never did see the anime, next mutation, or the new stuff yet...

Unlike many people think, I don't completely hate the old show. I still enjoy some episodes, but most seem just boring to me. It's sad how you overgrow the things you liked as a kid...

[jeff the cheff]

Did you watch the show as a kid?

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Yo NTCF: Not everyone here is from America, so not everyone has the same rights/freedoms you have.

Yes, I know that, Tokka. I was just trying to prove a point. And, hopefully, people got it.

"I think I understand." - Splinter, from "The Starchild"

[Karpo_007]

Did you watch the show as a kid?

It was my favorite cartoon show as a kid.

[cqb101]

I have to agree with Karpo, and Krang o this one. Yes Karpo wasn't bashing the old cartoon, but the way I see it is Krang locked the thread so no bashing would occur. Krang, you are greatly appreciated by me, atleast. I visit a lot of forums, and this one is deffinately the best, and you are the best Admin, I've ever seen at one. Keep up the awesome wrk, dude! :)

[Leo656]

I will say thought that I have to agree with Jeff... aside from this forum, I have never met anyone who liked the new TMNT over the old. Most people only know of the old 'toon TMNT, and that to them is the "real" version, and they accept nothing else. Some people actually refuse to acknowlege Mirage because the darker tone "ruins their image of the characters" that they've had since childhood.

Kinda sad in a way. Me, I accept all versions of TMNT as valid, I just have my preferences is all, and I prefer the new show over the old.

[raphael90]

Some people actually refuse to acknowlege Mirage because the darker tone "ruins their image of the characters" that they've had since childhood.

I'd never even read the comic until this year when someone got me one of the comics put into book form...yeah, it is very different to someone who'd watched the cartoon and movies all his life. It was very interesting to see the Turtles in their early incarnations (same color masks, more violence, language, etc.). The darker tone and violence doesn't really bother me I guess but perhaps I am stuck in a time warp and can't see the Turtles this way...although I understand this was their beginning. I can't say I'm a big fan of the comic but it was interesting for a Turtle fan like me anyway. I guess I'll always be partial to the old toon but I'm sure I'll like the new toon when I get around to seeing it.

[Karpo_007]

I will say thought that I have to agree with Jeff... aside from this forum, I have never met anyone who liked the new TMNT over the old. Most people only know of the old 'toon TMNT, and that to them is the "real" version, and they accept nothing else. Some people actually refuse to acknowlege Mirage because the darker tone "ruins their image of the characters" that they've had since childhood.

Kinda sad in a way. Me, I accept all versions of TMNT as valid, I just have my preferences is all, and I prefer the new show over the old.


The fact why most people here prefer the New cartoon and most people you know don't, is due the fact that all people here are TMNT fans. Most people ourtside fandom don't even know who Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman are. I know people like those too. All they know is the old cartoon, a show they loved as a kid, and when they see more mature Mirage comics or New cartoon, like you said, they won't accept it. The people I know don't do anything TMNT related on their spare time, so they aren't TMNT fans. Just people who used to love a cartoon show. But there are people in the fandom too who prefer the original Show, and and still acknowlege Mirage.

[Tokka-B]

Well Karpo, I actually like both the mirage comics and the old show, (if that is possible). The old show is a childhood memory that I will refuse to let fade away, and the comics keep me entertained nowadays.

[heretic888]

Well Karpo, I actually like both the mirage comics and the old show, (if that is possible). The old show is a childhood memory that I will refuse to let fade away, and the comics keep me entertained nowadays.


*nods* Yes, and I especially like the Red Sky seasons. Especially the first one; that was genius (as far as cartoons go). I mean, Shredder blowing up Channel 6 was just like, "whoa".