Fan-Made Third Season Of Sonic SATAM Possible?

[ZariusTwo]

A bunch of fans are putting together a crowd-funding project to revive Sonic SATAM for a third season. The season will be based off of the late Ben Hurst's notes for what would have been in that season.

https://www.patreon.com/sea3on

They put together a short promotional announcement trailer where Sonic and Sally e-beg.

How far will this get before SEGA get a little precious?

[The Deadman]

Considering they're making money off of it, it might get shut down.

[Candy Kappa]

Sega's gonna have to protect their brand

[DarkFell]

I say, let the SatAM fans give it a try. It might work, and it might convince Len Janson to return.

(Janson was one of the main writers / directors that worked alongside Hurst for SatAM season 1.)

[sdp]

Are they getting the original voice actors and writers involved? If not then why are they even asking for money. If it'll just be a fan project then do it with your own money.

[DarkFell]

If the original VA cast are persuaded to return, then Bunnie Rabbot and Uncle Chuck will need new voice actors. (The original VA's for both characters are deceased.)

But, I'm also wondering if some of the people that are behind the project will provide their own voice talents instead, seeing as it will cost them way less $$$($$$.)

[Wildcat]

I saw this before but those $20 per month things are new. I assume that money would go toward the actual project.

It’d be cool to see it happen but didn’t it get an official continuation in the comics?

[ProactiveMan]

Sounds... illegal. As soon as money changes hands, forget about it!

[ZariusTwo]

Are they getting the original voice actors and writers involved?

The original writer is dead, they're basing this new season off the notes he left behind, like I stated in the original post.

[Voltron]

The animation reminds me of the Zelda CDi games.

[neatoman]

The animation reminds me of the Zelda CDi games.

"It is written, only Sonic can defeat Eggman!"

[Skinrash]

I bet this low-budget fan production will be a hundred times better than the big-budget official film that just got made.

[ZariusTwo]

The animation reminds me of the Zelda CDi games.

Snoozing Sonic: Gee it sure is boring around here...

[ZariusTwo]

Couple of in-progress animatics from the project

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[DarkFell]

^ Glad to know that the revival project is still active.

[Cure]

Fan made projects are usually garbage from a trash can.

[ZariusTwo]

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[neatoman]

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Well, nice to see work in progress but that background still looks unfinished by the end of the video.

[ZariusTwo]

Way past cool Animation test.

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[FredWolfLeonardo]

Looks like the real deal! :D

[Wildcat]

Ya the quality looks professional. Its just a tiny clip but nice.

[ZariusTwo]

I took a look at the fan comics this series will be based on...only seven issues produced so far, but they're really good, there's even one focusing on Sally's mother. The most recent issue was a Bunny story. No sign of Robotnik just yet, the villains throughout are Snively and Nagus.

[Coola Yagami]

Was there even plans to feature Knuckles had the show gone on for another season?

[ZariusTwo]

Was there even plans to feature Knuckles had the show gone on for another season?

Maybe, he showed up in Sonic Underground and that had the same writer as Satam. Maybe it'd have had a similar plot.

[sdp]

Things will get awfully furry in that fan made season 3. Season 2 had as good an ending as a show from the 90s ever would

[ssjup81]

Things will get awfully furry in that fan made season 3. Season 2 had as good an ending as a show from the 90s ever wouldIt just sucks that it ended on a cliffhanger.

[Coola Yagami]

It just sucks that it ended on a cliffhanger.

I always assumed those eyes belonged to Knuckles, but that was before I played the games and realized he wasn't a bad guy per say, just someone Robotnik tricked.

The only thing I don't like is that became part of his character or whatever. Like sure, the first time Robotnik tricked him, sure, he didn't know the guy, but to make him dumb enough to fall for it again and again just so you can have that Sonic 3 callback? C'mon.

It would be like 2K3 Leo constantly being tricked by Shredder just because he almost fell for it in season 1.

[ssjup81]

I always assumed those eyes belonged to Knuckles, but that was before I played the games and realized he wasn't a bad guy per say, just someone Robotnik tricked.

The only thing I don't like is that became part of his character or whatever. Like sure, the first time Robotnik tricked him, sure, he didn't know the guy, but to make him dumb enough to fall for it again and again just so you can have that Sonic 3 callback? C'mon.

It would be like 2K3 Leo constantly being tricked by Shredder just because he almost fell for it in season 1.Ironically, Knuckles being easily tricked or duped doesn't bother me too much. The guy does live in isolation and to me it shows that he's socially ignorant. In other words, there's a semi-legit reason why Knuckles falls for things easily or miss social cues because of his lack of interaction with people for such a huge chunk of his life, it's just been him as the last of his kind on a remote island...but I do agree about being tricked by Robotnic/Eggman beyond Sonic 3/Sonic & Knuckles. Being maybe tricked by others I can see, but not him beyond those set of games.

I also rather prefer Knuckles to be naive as opposed to just straight up brain dead, like he's portrayed in the Sonic Boom universe...but luckily that's a whole different canon.

[Coola Yagami]

Ironically, Knuckles being easily tricked or duped doesn't bother me too much. The guy does live in isolation and to me it shows that he's socially ignorant. In other words, there's a semi-legit reason why Knuckles falls for things easily or miss social cues because of his lack of interaction with people for such a huge chunk of his life, it's just been him as the last of his kind on a remote island...but I do agree about being tricked by Robotnic/Eggman beyond Sonic 3/Sonic & Knuckles. Being maybe tricked by others I can see, but not him beyond those set of games.

I also rather prefer Knuckles to be naive as opposed to just straight up brain dead, like he's portrayed in the Sonic Boom universe...but luckily that's a whole different canon.

Me too, though I do like how Sonic Boom Knuckles is dumb in sort of a brain dead dumb yet full of witty and clever commentary.

But yeah, tricked by others I'd possibly get, but falling for Robotnik past Sonic 3, no.

[ssjup81]

Me too, though I do like how Sonic Boom Knuckles is dumb in sort of a brain dead dumb yet full of witty and clever commentary. Yeah! Despite his dumbness, it did grow on me because of this. I actually liked the show and the Fire and Ice game wasn't so bad.

[sdp]

I can ignore that cliffhanger, I mean Robotnik was the bad guy and he was defeated, the eyes could've just been anything a one episode adventure solved offscreen. Besides I stick to the Sonic cartoon continuity (https://miscrave.com/articles/sonic-cartoon-trilogy/) theory where all 3 shows including Underground are together, why? Because outside of Underground having some big contradictions, it actually kind of works out, especially Adventures of Sonic the hedgehog being canon with SatAM, the christmas blast episode basically connects both shows. Is it dumb ? Yes, but so is this fan made third season which is somehow less official than my crazy theory.

[Leo656]

It was confirmed a very long time ago (I forget by who) that the eyes we saw in the finale belonged to Naugus (or Nagus; it was spelled differently in the cartoon than in the Archie comic for some reason) and that he would have been the main villain for Season 3. Snively would also have done sort of a half-face turn early on due to being abused by Naugus so much, joining up with the Freedom Fighters to try and get rid of him.

That much I know for a fact was planned for Season 3, it was revealed like 15 years ago or so by either one of the editors or writers. I think Knuckles was also going to show up and Robotnik would have come back before the end of the Season, but those two things could just be faulty memory. The Naugus/Snively stuff was absolutely the plan, though. And I am almost positive that in the same explanation, the person said that while many people assumed those were Knuckles's eyes they in fact had other plans for him to show up later on. But again, don't quote me on that part.

But yeah, definitely Naugus. I wasn't aware some people hadn't heard by now.

Besides I stick to the Sonic cartoon continuity (https://miscrave.com/articles/sonic-cartoon-trilogy/) theory where all 3 shows including Underground are together, why? Because outside of Underground having some big contradictions, it actually kind of works out

"It kind of works, except for the fact that it so blatantly and openly does not work." :lol: Awesome. That's just as bad as the "All the Scooby-Doo shows take place in the same universe" thing even though they absolutely do not. :trazz:

I can see how SatAM and Adventures can be linked if you squint - especially since the Archie comic was essentially Exactly That from the beginning - but Underground is clearly, clearly a totally different beast altogether.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

When I saw the final episode, I thought the eyes at the end belonged to Metal Sonic.

[Leo656]

Nope!

I forget what I thought. I saw most of the series in reruns on USA Cartoon Express, mostly out of order, so I'm not even sure I was aware that was in fact the final episode.

Apparently most people assumed it was Knuckles, just because he was getting a big push in the games and hadn't appeared on the show yet. I probably would have thought the same, honestly. I remember people swearing it was Knuckles for the longest time before the confirmation otherwise came out. Although within the show's canon Naugus makes more sense since he'd been established not too long before, and him being done away with so quickly certainly leaves room for him to resurface as a bigger threat later on, especially with Robotnik "gone". Watching the show knowing what the plan for Season 3 was makes certain things jump out at you more when you understand the context. Like watching it now it's like "Oh, yeah, those are clearly Naugus's eyes," even just from the shape of them, and combined with the earlier episode and the benefit of hindsight it all makes perfect sense. But I can see how others may have thought differently at the time.

They sort of tried to make up for it by giving him a super-push in the comics, but I never really liked him much, quite frankly. His character design just screams "First Grade Create-A-Villain Contest". The comics even tried to give him an origin that explained him and it really didn't help anything. :lol: Maybe the show would have done him better, I'unno.

[ZariusTwo]

When I saw the final episode, I thought the eyes at the end belonged to Metal Sonic.

Me too, I actually yelled "Metallix" at the scene.

(Metallix was the name the Fleetway UK Sonic comic gave Metal Sonic)

[Leo656]

See, I'm curious as to why anyone would think that. I don't remember the show foreshadowing it in any way. And I feel like at the time it just would have made more sense to expect Knuckles, since he'd been around longer and been featured more prominently across all media and yet hadn't debuted on the show, either. Not that he was "foreshadowed" in any way, either, because he wasn't, it just felt like he was overdue by then.

It's just rather curious, to me. Obviously we were ALL mistaken, and even Naugus makes sense in hindsight BUT feels like a bit of a head-scratcher at first just because he's not even a game character so it's weird that he's put in such a prominent place. But when people say, "I thought it was Knuckles", that I can believe, kinda. Doesn't quite make sense, but sure, whatever. He really had no established personality yet, anyways, so sure. People were legit begging to see him get a spot on the show and were disappointed it never happened.

Metal Sonic, though? Interesting. Why? I'm just curious. Not saying people wouldn't have liked it or wanted it, just saying it feels like a bit of a reach. Probably because I don't think I ever heard that particular theory before so I'm curious as to what went into it.

[ZariusTwo]

Metal Sonic, though? Interesting. Why? I'm just curious. Not saying people wouldn't have liked it or wanted it, just saying it feels like a bit of a reach. Probably because I don't think I ever heard that particular theory before so I'm curious as to what went into it.

I was going by logical assumptions, Robotnik's modus operandi in Satam and main gimmick was he robotised many Mobians, Uncle Chuck, Bunnie, etc, so it made sense he'd prepare something similar for Sonic. Imagine if he had developed a Sonic 'bot that could operate on it's own and be able to ultimately assimilate it's quarry to complete it's transformation.

How much synergy was there exactly with the games for Satam? I know the chaos emeralds were used in Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, and the time stones from Sonic CD played a part in "Blast From The Past", but was Sonic 3 even out by the time Satam ended? Was it on the horizon? Had Knuckles been even formerly announced by that point?

[Leo656]

Fair points and decent questions. I couldn't really say, I probably didn't even see the final episode until 1996 or so, probably didn't even know it WAS the final episode when I did see it since I saw them out of order, and didn't hear about the "I swore it was ______!" stuff until I was on the internet, which would have been 2000 or so.

When people explained their Knuckles theories to me from their perspective, it made sense, but you're right, maybe the timeline didn't actually fit that well. Sonic 3 literally would have just come out by the time SatAM ended (Sonic 3 came out in February '94, SatAM ended in December '94), so it was really not possible for him to have been included in Season 2... but I can see how some fans might think teasing him for Season 3 would be a neat bit of cross-brand synergy. I see what they were getting at. And I think he WAS gonna show up in Season 3 as part of his huge debut push if memory serves... but he wasn't ever gonna be The Guy With The Eyes in any case.

Metal Sonic might have had a bit more wiggle room but timing-wise it still would have been a tight squeeze.

Story-wise, neither of those things would have made much sense without Robotnik being the one pulling the strings. Snively wouldn't have been smart enough to fast-talk Knuckles, and while I can see Robotnik having a Metal Sonic within that show's storyline, it wouldn't have made sense for him to not deploy it before that point, especially if it looked like he was gonna finally lose. Snively being the one to unleash it for the first time would have just been weird.

Realistically, given the show's set-up, its own internal logic and leaving the games' canon and any wishful thinking on the part of the viewers completely out of it... it really only could have been Naugus, even if that feels a little underwhelming. I know I sure didn't think much of it when I read about it. But it really was kinda the only thing that would have made any sense at all.

[ssjup81]

When I was a kid, I thought it was Metal Sonic too and was expecting Knuckles to show up.

[DarkFell]

A Floating Island was introduced in the first episode of Blast To the Past. I like to think that Ben Hurst was hinting at something that could have related to Sonic 3 in some way.

https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Floating_Island_(SatAM)

Maybe one of the SEGA corporations red-flagged Hurst's idea and maybe that's why Knuckles never showed up in SatAM.

As for Metal Sonic, SatAM did bring Uncle Chuck into the series. Metal Sonic wasn't dwelt on much since Sir Charles was a temporary antagonist until he took hold of two Power Rings within two different episodes, and eventually defected to The Freedom Fighters cause.

[Leo656]

I recalled the Floating Island bit on my last rewatch, as well. I feel like as the games and shows were being developed at the same time, elements of one were being "cross-pollinated" into the others, but their full context hadn't been totally hashed out yet, leading to some very big differences and/or omissions along the way.

It would have been very, very easy for them to go back there in Season 3 and in turn use it as a way to bring Knuckles in, and I have a strong feeling that's exactly what would have happened.

[ZariusTwo]

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[sdp]

fan animation has gotten better while studio animation has gotten shittier, it's now blending and I can't tell each other apart.

[oldmanwinters]

It certainly is impressive!

[Papenbrook]

As much as I like the animation, why can't people just create their own content?

Stop mooching off of popular intellectual properties. It isn't good for creativity's sake.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

As much as I like the animation, can't people just create their own content?

Stop mooching off of popular intellectual properties. It isn't good for creativity's sake.

You're the last person I expected to speak in defence of giant mega corporations :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

#ProjectSonic22 just dropped… lots going on for the Blue Blur in 2022. What would you say if we told you something BIG is also gonna drop from S3?

https://twitter.com/TeamSea3on/status/1484550668329361415

For those of you who aren't subscribed to the Patreon, they're very likely referring to the minute long trailer they teased in a recent update

[ZariusTwo]

Stickers from the official press kit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKYyL5wWQAA1kZM?format=jpg&name=small

[ZariusTwo]

The official press kits are ready, as to when they'll send them out, who knows.

https://twitter.com/TeamSea3on/status/1502511796988563457

I'm wondering if they'll release any footage of the show around the time the Sonic 2 movie comes out?

[ZariusTwo]

Just gotten a notification from the Satam Sea3on patreon that they've reached over 5K followers on Twitter.

I'm thinking ahead to this week and I was wondering if the plan is to release a trailer for Sea3on the same day as the movie? It'd work two fold, taking advantage of not just the movie's release but also April Fool's day itself, as we know the production is of a professional quality and could now pass for something legitimate, thus people could be hoodwinked a bit

[ZariusTwo]

Update from Team Sea3on patreon:

There will be a new version of the theme song to go with the show, it will appear in the trailer, but is said to have been 'cut up' for it, so they're going to release a full clean version eventually. The trailer's still on it's way, my guess is it may be due the day Sonic 2 releases in the States.

A little animatic from April 1st (not a fools joke)

https://twitter.com/TeamSea3on/status/1509905007302389762

[ZariusTwo]

Episode title for pilot dropped


https://twitter.com/TeamSea3on/status/1512139879941034004

[ZariusTwo]

Website revamped

http://www.sea3on.com/

[ZariusTwo]

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[ZariusTwo]

Trailer's dropping in a few more hours

[ZariusTwo]

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[Wildcat]

It looks really well done. I don’t think I’d be able to tell it was fan made if I didn’t know. The animation does seem a tad different from mainstream cartoons. That might be the only indication.

Maybe I mentioned this but I wonder what they’d think if Sega gave it an official continuation one day. Besides the comics. Show revivals are a popular thing and it’s still possible it’s featured as part of Sonic Prime in some way.

Not saying it would get new seasons but a dtv movie with a proper ending could happen. How a lot of separate continuities of things get additional stuff.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Looks great, good job so far.

[ZariusTwo]

It’s still possible it’s featured as part of Sonic Prime in some way.

It'd be cool if the fan animators for this were allowed to do the segments for Prime, assuming Prime gets future seasons and isn't just a one-off.

I was talking to Leo over on FB about the trailer, and how I was initially a bit cold on it because I've seen so much of what they showed here already on streams, patreon, and twitter so there wasn't much new to me, and I was bummed they didn't include certain things, but overall I've warmed to it and actually getting Crush 40 to do the theme is an impressive coup.

[Wildcat]

Ya I noticed the theme song. It’s a nice touch.

I think I have the comics that continued it but it’s been a really long time since I’ve been through them.

[ZariusTwo]

I think I have the comics that continued it but it’s been a really long time since I’ve been through them.

Do you mean the Archie line or the comic from the fan animators? If it's the latter, they're still making those. About seven complete issues in total so far.

[Wildcat]

Do you mean the Archie line or the comic from the fan animators? If it's the latter, they're still making those. About seven complete issues in total so far.The Archie ones. I got the comic on a regular basis until about the early 2000s so I must have it but they’re put away right now.

I would have kept going but stores stopped selling them around here. I’d just get them from the grocery store and such. We never had a proper comic shop.

[ZariusTwo]

The Archie ones. I got the comic on a regular basis until about the early 2000s so I must have it but they’re put away right now.

I would have kept going but stores stopped selling them around here. I’d just get them from the grocery store and such. We never had a proper comic shop.

Gotcha. I remember buying one of the Archie comics (Bunnie and Antoine's wedding), and I always saw back issues of it in my Forbidden Planet store, but never was compelled to collect a large percentage of the run.

I ended up getting a few of the very early issues in small digest-sized books on the cheap ten years ago.

[Leo656]

I've got the entire Archie run up through 2009 or so, with much of what came after until it was cancelled.

Very mixed bag. It suffered greatly from Sega and Archie never really being on the same page as to what the book should be, who the audience was, etc. For example, audience demand was for Sally and Sonic to be officially a couple, but on any given day either Archie or Sega (it flipped a few times) would mandate that "This is a comic for little boys and they don't want romance"... Despite the audience saying otherwise. So they played make up/break up in heavily contrived fashion until the "Genesis" reboot, after which they never touched on it again. In the reboot continuity, they'd never been a couple at all, and it was stated they never would be. Suffice to say, people weren't thrilled in general.

There were other issues, that was just one of the biggest and most enduring ones. But the book was always schizophrenic; the first 15 or so issues were identical in tone to the "Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog" cartoon, before abruptly switching gears into SatAM territory and staying there. But even with a generally more serious tone, they often either held back from getting "too heavy" or felt forced to cram in some ill-fitting humor from time to time in spots where it wasn't warranted.

I like more of it than not, but when it was bad it was REALLY bad. I'd argue the good outweighed the bad, but mileage varies a ton on that.

[superstaff]

I've got the entire Archie run up through 2009 or so, with much of what came after until it was cancelled.

Very mixed bag. It suffered greatly from Sega and Archie never really being on the same page as to what the book should be, who the audience was, etc. For example, audience demand was for Sally and Sonic to be officially a couple, but on any given day either Archie or Sega (it flipped a few times) would mandate that "This is a comic for little boys and they don't want romance"... Despite the audience saying otherwise. So they played make up/break up in heavily contrived fashion until the "Genesis" reboot, after which they never touched on it again. In the reboot continuity, they'd never been a couple at all, and it was stated they never would be. Suffice to say, people weren't thrilled in general.

There were other issues, that was just one of the biggest and most enduring ones. But the book was always schizophrenic; the first 15 or so issues were identical in tone to the "Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog" cartoon, before abruptly switching gears into SatAM territory and staying there. But even with a generally more serious tone, they often either held back from getting "too heavy" or felt forced to cram in some ill-fitting humor from time to time in spots where it wasn't warranted.

I like more of it than not, but when it was bad it was REALLY bad. I'd argue the good outweighed the bad, but mileage varies a ton on that.

For me, I thought 2/3 of it was pretty bad. It's interesting because I felt the Archie TMNT was basically a masterpiece (even with its cheesiness) while I think Archie Sonic was a clusterf*ck overall. The melodrama ended up being way too much, particularly the Sonic/Sally drama. It wasn't just that, the romance plots in general were like this, like Sonic with Mina, Fiona, etc. The Tails betrayal arc was awful too.

It's like you said, I don't think they knew what they wanted the series to be, or who it was for. The continuity ended up being a huge mess, thus the reboot. But then the reboot felt boring, and there wasn't much to really cling to anymore either. It got canned, and went out with a whimper.

[Wesley]

Trailer’s amazing. And I’m not even a SatAM fan.

[ZariusTwo]

Official Website with option to download the Crush 40 version of the theme song

http://www.sea3on.com/

[Leo656]

For me, I thought 2/3 of it was pretty bad. It's interesting because I felt the Archie TMNT was basically a masterpiece (even with its cheesiness) while I think Archie Sonic was a clusterf*ck overall. The melodrama ended up being way too much, particularly the Sonic/Sally drama. It wasn't just that, the romance plots in general were like this, like Sonic with Mina, Fiona, etc. The Tails betrayal arc was awful too.

It's like you said, I don't think they knew what they wanted the series to be, or who it was for. The continuity ended up being a huge mess, thus the reboot. But then the reboot felt boring, and there wasn't much to really cling to anymore either. It got canned, and went out with a whimper.

Most of the lousiest romance stuff should never have even been done because the only reason it happened at all was so they could keep forcing reasons to keep Sonic and Sally apart.

Some people know this, most don't: Sally was created by Sega to be Sonic's girlfriend, just like Lois Lane was created to be Clark Kent's. She was meant to be in the games, but Sega not knowing what to do with the Sonic brand for the entire Saturn era kept that from happening (outside of the Spinball cameo). Amy was not created for that role, she was only ever meant to be a fangirl (and initially much younger than Sonic, anyway; in my head, she makes more sense with Tails because at least they were closer in age). Mina, Fiona, and all those other "fill-in" love interests were nothing but obstacles Archie editorial created to avoid pulling the trigger on the "proper" Sonic/Sally relationship. So arguably, none of that should have even happened.

When you create a character for a specific purpose, and then go out of your way to avoid having them fulfill that purpose, it's always going to feel forced and contrived. Like the Chuck Austen run of Action Comics where he put tension on Lois and Clark's marriage out of nowhere, and had Lana suddenly being a homewrecker trying to put the moves on Clark. Just awful. Stuff like that is ALWAYS awful. Don't go against the grain, let the characters fulfill their intended purpose they were created for.

So I agree that the relationship melodrama in the book was overbearing much of the time. BUT, by rights it should have been a non-factor after issue #50. That Kiss should have been the end of it all as far as "Will They/Won't They". Past that, it's not like them being together needed to become the main point of the book; the Archie TMNT book had Raphael and Ninjara together but it never overtook the entire focus of things. You CAN have characters in relationships without it "ruining" everything, as many claim it would. It just takes a decent writer.

Unfortunately, they had Ken Penders much of the time. And while I don't think he was always "bad", as he was a fan of mystery novels and spy stuff he had a strong tendency to never resolve his plotlines, and rather constantly introducing new characters and concepts while still leaving mountains of things unresolved. You assumed "We'll get to it later", but eventually you noticed that "later" never came. This led to the continuity becoming so unwieldy, and when he left - taking all of his characters and concepts with him - that forced the tepid reboot.

Before the reboot, though, after Ken left the new writer managed to wrap up a TON of the lingering plot threads very quickly. That tickled me. It showed that things never needed to get so messy at all, and that it was all the fault of One Guy who just didn't know how to come up with an ending for any of his ideas.

Penders had some good ideas, some bad ideas, and a lot of in-between. But if he at least knew how to tie off one thread before starting six more, that alone would have done a world of good.

Even at the best of times, it got to the point where you realized as a reader, "They're not ever going to resolve This or That", and it became hard to stay invested.

I never meant to stop picking it up, though. I had to stop buying all comics for a bit in like 2009 or so, and so I missed a huge chunk. I always prided myself on having a complete run of the series before that, though, so I'm still very much hoping to fill in the remaining holes. I really did not like anything post-reboot but I'm so close to having the full run is all. One-shots, mini-series... Up until 2009 or so, I've got everything. By far one of the most complete runs in my entire collection.

[DarkFell]

I'm happy with the progress that the SatAM Season 3 crew have been making so far.

As for The Archie Comic run, I stopped not long after it crossed into Sonic Adventure territory. The bishojo art style was a turn off for me.

Ken Penders mucking with the storylines within the comic, often gave me headaches. The Knuckles side comic was wasted on a lot of dumb ideas and The Dark Legion often overstayed their welcome.

Things got interesting when The Freedom Fighters went to space to stop a space ship that harbored an old foe or two. After that, I pretty much went for the back issues.

[Wildcat]

Gotcha. I remember buying one of the Archie comics (Bunnie and Antoine's wedding), and I always saw back issues of it in my Forbidden Planet store, but never was compelled to collect a large percentage of the run.

I ended up getting a few of the very early issues in small digest-sized books on the cheap ten years ago.You mean these? I have 3 digest books.

https://i.postimg.cc/Pq3Hh54G/089656-F3-4-BCF-4-D2-A-BC84-276499-FCD7-F6.jpg

[Leo656]

That Sonic Adventure adaptation was TERRIBLE. But to be fair, a ton of that was Sega's fault.

They were so needlessly adamant about secrecy since the game wasn't out yet in America, they only gave Archie a Japanese copy of the game to work from. Not only were there some differences in the Japanese version from what would eventually be in the American version of the game, but more problematic was the little fact that nobody at Archie spoke Japanese. So they were forced to use a 1999-era translation guide to adapt an essentially unfinished version of the game.

It was ALWAYS going to be a huge clusterf*ck considering they had the unenviable task of explaining why Sonic's planet is suddenly full of human beings now when that was completely contrary to the comic's established canon, and furthermore, having to explain where the Freedom Fighters were and what they were up to during the events of the game, since obviously the game did not feature them at all. But even aside from All That Mess, the fact they barely even had a proper version of the game to work from to start with meant it was probably not going to turn out well. They were metaphorically writing blindfolded. "AND by the way, try and juggle this other stuff that's not in the game, too."

Thankfully, after that disaster they never even tried to adapt the games into the comic continuity again, until the reboot. They were just too dissimilar, and Sonic's video game canon is by far an even bigger mess than anything the comic's became. I understand wanting synergy, but if it doesn't work then It Doesn't Work.

Taking characters and elements from the games and tweaking them to fit into the existing canon, while clumsy at times, worked WAY better than literally trying to Square Peg/Round Hole it the way they did with Sonic Adventure. There's a reason many people consider that one of the worst arcs in the entire series. It was botched from the word Go.

As for the art, for me even though their styles were wildly different I always like Art Mawhinney and Pat Spaziante the best. Mawhinney was a storyboard artist on SatAM, so naturally his stuff was like the cartoons put to paper (even though his Sonic could be a bit "chubby" very early on). And Spaz just had a fantastic level of detail to his work, far more dynamic and less cartoony than anyone else who ever drew the book. Spaz is more my taste, but I like Art almost as much just for being so "on-model".

I know most people love the one whose name escapes me, who drew the book's entire latter-day run and then went on to do the IDW comic. But their style is too "simple" and cartoonish for my taste, and I HATE how everyone has feet bigger than their head. I wouldn't say their art is bad but it's not for me, or at least it's not my preference.

The book sure did have some bad artists, though. Ron Lim is probably everyone's all-time least favorite. I know he was a competent hand at Marvel before he got the Sonic gig, but he had no business ever being put on a "furry" book. His anthros are f*cking terrible, he simply cannot draw them well, and that's 99.999% of the cast of characters.

Going from Pat Spaziante to Ron Lim was like going from getting a blowjob from a porn star to sticking your dick in an electric pencil sharpener. I said what I meant and I meant what I said.

[DarkFell]

Art Mawhinney and Pat Spaziante were good artists, and so was Scott Shaw. Heck, I even liked Dave Manak's art style. Manny Galen's illustrated Death Egg Saga was pretty good, and Steven Butler wasn't doing too shabby when he started out into the series. Jim Valentino did some awesome penciling work for the Knuckles comics for a few issues.

Harvo did okay with a couple of issues. James Fry did his odd manga-style pencil work, and that eventually put me off from the comics. Ron Lim did an awesome B & W splash page for one issue ..and then that was it. Well, quality-wise anyway.

As for the untranslated version of SA1, I actually played a demo of it at a game store. It was an experience but I didn't feel much of the hype for it.

As for the confusion that resulted from Archie Comics trying to create the SatAM / Sonic Adventure hybrid world and storylines, you definitely hit that nail on the head.

[ZariusTwo]

Couple of updates from Sea3on's patreon

-Pitch bible is almost done
-They'll be in attendance at the Licensing Expo and hope to talk to SEGA
-A media outlet has conducted an interview with them
-It's hoped the rest of the pilot will be handed off to a proper studio when funded.

Ian Flynn, head writer of the franchise, also wished them luck on his BumbleKast but also cautioned that all it takes is one executive to have a bad day to kill it.

[Leo656]

I was disappointed they swapped Scott Shaw! out for Dave Manak early on, I'm sure there's a story there. I'm sure they brought Scott on since he was a "veteran" after doing all the Captain Carrot stuff for DC over the years, but he only did the initial mini-series before Manak took over the ongoing with the first issue. Manak did a decent job at almost-replicating Scott's style near-perfectly but it was a bit more rough around the edges.

Those other names take me back. As a kid though it was frustrating that the book seemingly had no consistency on the art front. They cycled through artists so frequently that it had a negative effect on the visual continuity. It got to a point as a reader where from one issue to the next you didn't know WHAT you were gonna get.

[Wildcat]

Wow so their intention is to have Sega revive it? That’s cool. Sonic Mania started as a fan project so it’s not far fetched imo.

Only thing that might interfere is if they already have plans for the SatAM universe/characters.

I know people think Sega doesn’t care at all and wants to forget them but I’ve never believed that.

[Coola Yagami]

Couple of updates from Sea3on's patreon

-Pitch bible is almost done
-They'll be in attendance at the Licensing Expo and hope to talk to SEGA
-A media outlet has conducted an interview with them
-It's hoped the rest of the pilot will be handed off to a proper studio when funded.

Ian Flynn, head writer of the franchise, also wished them luck on his BumbleKast but also cautioned that all it takes is one executive to have a bad day to kill it.

Just don't mention Ken Penders in any way, shape or form.

[DarkFell]

Penders is too distracted from the laughter and jeering that he got from the fans by trying to start some sh*t on his Twitter account with the Sonic 2 production team ...y'know because they 'stole' his echidna tribe characters.

Ken really needs to deflate his ego.

[Leo656]

What do you expect? The guy won a lawsuit he had no goddamn business of winning and forced a company to abruptly sh*tcan their long-running series and start over. I'd have a chip on my shoulder, too, if I was that idiot.

I still can't get over that the people running Archie were so incompetent they couldn't even file paperwork properly, or establish a simple "work-for-hire" agreement's existence in court. That whole deal should have been an easy slam-dunk for Archie; when a comic book company hires you to work on a book, especially a book based on a licensed property, anything you create becomes property of the company, not the creator. EVERYONE knows that. Unless your contract specifically establishes and states creator ownership, the company retains all ownership rights to every character and concept you come up with while working for them.

And all Penders had to do was say, "Nuh uh!", and he won, because some idiot at Archie couldn't remember where they put a piece of paper, essentially. And so 25 years of canon gets thrown out and can't ever be referenced again. Because Ken Penders thinks anyone cares about his idea for a comic about "The Adventures of Not-Knuckles and His Not-Sonic Friends". Which they don't. Nobody f*cking cares, Ken.

What a f*cking joke. Every time I even think about this sh*t I start getting heartburn.

[ZariusTwo]

According to their patreon, Ron Myrick has become the executive producer of Sonic Sea3on.

Ron was the producer of season two of Satam.

[ZariusTwo]

It's gaining more traction

IGN have picked up on it

https://www.ign.com/articles/sonic-satam-team-sea3on-fan-project

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[LeotheLateBloomer]

I just found out recently that Satam, along with AoStH and Underground, are all on Paramount+.

[ZariusTwo]

Check out the animation clip at 22:23

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[ZariusTwo]

I had no idea the Sonic Sea3on writer also posted on Rangerboard. Kind of ironic seeing as Power Rangers got the show cancelled.

[ZariusTwo]

I briefly left the Sea3on patreon for a few months and have signed up again now that the updates are increasing.

The January update stated they were closer than ever to the finish line and will soon be able to start shopping the pilot around to legit studios to finish off for them.

[ZariusTwo]

They're running into problems...now considering opening a Kickstarter in addition to their patreon (though they don't even have enough backers on that...and I can see why, most of them probably only pay the $1 donation)

WE NEED YOUR HELP!
Hey Freedom Fam,

We wanted to take this opportunity to update you on the progress of our project. As you know, we have been working hard to create a 2D Animated Pilot for Sea3on, but we are facing some roadblocks in terms of keeping up with demand.

We have been actively trying to source out studios to complete the project, and have reached out to various studios across all continents. Unfortunately, the quotes we have received are all very expensive, making it difficult for us to proceed with our limited budget. To give you an idea, we have attached actual replies with dollar values so that you can see how much a 22 minute 2D animation pilot will cost.

Currently, we have about $24K USD in the bank, which is not enough to send to a studio to complete the project. However, we are determined to continue working on the project despite these challenges and limited time. We hope that you can continue supporting us by spreading the word about the project and asking others to help out.

We believe that with the help of a studio, we can complete the episode within the year. Additionally, we are considering a Kickstarter to raise the funds necessary to complete the project.

We want to express our sincere gratitude for your support and commitment to the project. We are hopeful that together, we can overcome these challenges and create a successful pilot. If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to reach out to us.

Thank you again for your continued support and encouragement.

Sincerely,

S3

[ZariusTwo]

Update from the Patreon

In October they will be working with a group that will work full time on finalizing the animation, with some of that group starting a little earlier than that, they believe once the animation is finished they will have enough of a budget to commission a studio to colourize and composite everything.

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[ZariusTwo]

Sonic SATAM was trending a bit yesterday, so Sea3on shared some progress on Twit/X



Screencap for those that don't have Twit/X

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNWfr2DWoAAvnv2?format=jpg&name=small

[ZariusTwo]

Why they decided to release a short trailer to YT recycling footage from an existing trailer and a tacked-on voice over, rather than the amazing 18-second long clip of Sally and Bunnie breaking out of prison baffles me. The quality is leagues better now than what was in the original trailer.

[oldmanwinters]

I will never forgive Ken Penders for... a number of things.

But most notably for his apparent backstabbing of Ben Hurst.

It's almost a sick joke that Penders got to do the official cover artwork for the series' first DVD release.

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[DarkFell]

I managed to catch the podcast when Mark Ballou (SatAM Season 1 VA for Rotor) was chatting with the crew and reading some chat messages on-screen.

I typed in a Robotnik quote from Season One, and that was "Patience Snively.. Patience.." (mostly because Mark and the crew were having some connection issues and the chat was getting a bit unnerved), and Mark read that out loud!

[ZariusTwo]

10-26-24.
1PM PT.
Join us live
@SonicRevolt
and be prepared for an epic update?

https://x.com/TeamSea3on/status/1842598202895438248?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Hoping they'll be showing off more clips at the convention.

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[Wildcat]

So when is this releasing? I know it’s 1 episode they were gonna pitch to Sega but is it going to be released publicly? Is there a date mentioned anywhere? I can’t find one.

Someone on YouTube asked and they flat out ignored them...replying to every other person above and below them. I asked on SonicRetro but nobody mentions it. What’s actually happening?

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, they say third season.... they can barely get one episode off the ground.

And I get it, it's a difficult process, but promising an entire season might be too ambitious.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, they say third season.... they can barely get one episode off the ground.

And I get it, it's a difficult process, but promising an entire season might be too ambitious.

Their hope is that Sega are impressed with the pilot and give the series the green light, after which, the team will continue to do the work but obviously with more of a budget.

It would still take a few years for a full season to come out. We also don't know where the series would stream...Youtube? A service like Netflix? (like with Sonic Prime), these questions haven't been tackled yet because the team aren't that far ahead of themselves.

From what I understand (I'm part of their discord), they actually want to make the pilot publicly available on Youtube, even if they don't succeed in getting a season pick-up, so we will very likely still get to see it.

As for continuing past this, the whole thing started as a comic book so I imagine they'll return to just doing that afterwards. it's been pretty badly neglected this past three years (and, ironically, did leave off on a cliffhanger just like the show did)

Is there a date mentioned anywhere? I can’t find one.?

No real date has been decided on, but the staff on discord have often indicated they hope to release it in fall 2025

[ZariusTwo]

staff on discord have often indicated they hope to release it in fall 2025

This is aging extremely well...:lol:

But apparently something is in the works....a documentary.

https://x.com/TeamSea3on/status/1989530244659937510?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Reactions to a fully animated scene

https://x.com/TeamSea3on/status/1990143447215607954/photo/2