Thor 4 Directed by Taika Waititi

[Autbot_Benz]

Taika Waititi is returning to the many worlds of Thor.

Waititi has inked a deal to write and direct a follow-up to his 2017 smash, Thor: Ragnarok.



But his boarding of what would be a fourth installment of the Marvel franchise comes at a cost: Warner Bros.' long-gestating adaptation of Japanese manga, Akira.

That project, which was penciled for a May 21, 2021 release and had Waititi testing actors in a worldwide search for talent, is being put on pause indefinitely as the two projects' production dates began to bump up against one another. Script development concerns caused Akira to push back its shooting start and while some of those have been addressed, say sources, the dates were now too close for comfort.

Warners' next step for Akira is unclear but the project now seems to be in flux. Several sources have said that Warners is keen on keeping Waititi involved for the long-term and hopes to see him pick up Akira after Thor 4.

Waititi brought his own stamp to the Thor movies with Ragnarok, infusing the movies with an idiosyncratic wit and a humane outlook with movies such as What We Do in the Shadows and Hunt for the Wilderpeople. Audiences responded to the tune of almost $854 million worldwide while critics’ raves put the movie at 93 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. The move also rejuvenated what had been a rare declining franchise performer for Marvel.

Chris Hemsworth is expected to reprise his career-defining role as the Asgardian god of thunder.

Next up for Waititi is Jojo Rabbit, a unique Holocaust drama he directed for Fox Searchlight, which opens Oct. 18. Scarlett Johansson stars in the picture with Waititi portraying a twisty take on Adolf Hitler.

He is repped by CAA and Manage-ment.


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/taika-waititi-direct-thor-4-1224464

[AquaParade]

Shoot! I much rather see his take on Akira. Thor 4 should please many people though.

[ZariusTwo]

That blows any chance of me liking this one. I thought Ragnarok sucked.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Huh. Interesting.

[Cure]

Uuuuugh, booooo! Ragnarok was trash.

[ranger_scout]

It makes sense to do another movie since Iron Man and Captain America don't really have anymore stories to tell and Thor is looking for new adventures. Plus, I really liked Waitti's work in Thor: Ragnarok and Hunt for the Wilderpeople. I don't know if Bruce Banner/Hulk will come back but if he does I hope that Ruffalo will give a performance similar to the one in the third 'Thor' film instead of the ones he gave during Avengers: Infinity War and the very beginning of Avengers: Endgame. It just came across as too hammy and cartoonish during those times.

[CyberCubed]

Ragnarok felt almost like a parody at times so I hope this is slightly more serious. Seriously the last movie almost felt like it was making fun of the characters.

[AquaParade]

I thought Ragnarok was one of the better MCU films. The MCU being something I love as a whole, but have plenty of grievances with at the same time.

Unfortunately, a large chunk of the MCU films feel pretty safe, sterile, and predictable to me. While Ragnarok doesn't really escape from that, I think it at least leans into the strengths of the MCU by being charming and funny.

As always, I think expectations play a large part in personal reception to something. So it's also worth mentioning that I didn't even bother to watch the first two Thor films. I like Hulk enough and the reviews were great, so I gave Ragnarok a watch and was pleasantly surprised. I don't have the perspective of a long-time Thor fan, just a casual viewer when it comes to Thor.

[Candy Kappa]

Ragnarok was one of the best MCU movies, so bring on more Waititi.

[Andrew NDB]

Ehh... are we sure Hemsworth would even be the star of this one? The way things are "positioned" at the end of Thor 3 and now Endgame... it seems like they're setting up an "important" new direction.

[AquaParade]

I think it's safe to assume Chris Hemsworth will be the star. It could just as heavily feature Valkyrie and other characters though.

The way to get my interest is Beta Ray Bill, who I do think will have a prominent role.

[Shark_Blade]

Thor Ragnarok is the best Thor, so I’m glad he’s returning.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not sure there's any version of this where Valkyrie doesn't become Female Thor. And think about it. You really think Thor will be the first MCU franchise to get a fourth movie without heavily shaking things up?

Also, I don't know why people are surprised about Akira. When Ghost in the Shell bombed and Alita only mayyyyybe broke even (and with James Cameron involved, no less), Akira's prospects became nill by anyone even considering investing in its production.

[Shark_Blade]

They should make Akira an animated cgi film much like Lupin the 3rd’s upcoming movie. Live action never look as good tbh.

[snake]

Who the f*ck even asked for a live action Akira? Like, seriously, what's the point? It's hailed as THE anime movie masterpiece and critically respected in it's own right. There's actually no point in making it because it's something that should exist only in the medium it was intended for and perfected in- being manga and later anime.

[AquaParade]

Who the f*ck even asked for a live action Akira? Like, seriously, what's the point? It's hailed as THE anime movie masterpiece and critically respected in it's own right. There's actually no point in making it because it's something that should exist only in the medium it was intended for and perfected in- being manga and later anime.

Fair enough. I guess I’m just morbidly curious as to how it would turn out. That’s enough for me.

[neatoman]

I just realised, this makes Thor the longest sub-series in the MCU (aside from Avengers, which are entirely team-ups). We're obviously not going to get Iron Man 4 or Captain America 4 (unless some other character takes up the mantle or it's just prequels). A fourth Spider-Man, Ant-man and Guardians could happen but none have a third out yet. Captain Marvel, Black Panther and Doctor Strange still haven't gotten their second movie yet. Black Widow, Eternals and Shang-Chi are still in development. And there's no chance in hell Hulk 2 is ever happening.

[snake]

I think it’s likely we’re going to get Cap 4 with Sam and Bucky.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think it’s likely we’re going to get Cap 4 with Sam and Bucky.

That's what the Disney+ show is for.

[snake]

That's what the Disney+ show is for.

I really wish that weren’t a thing. Just make a new movie, damnit. It eliminates the risk of these shows being ignored/treated as sub-canon.

And yeah, I know they’re saying they won’t be- but who really knows with Disney?

[ranger_scout]

Maybe this movie will give Lady Sif a triumphant return like Bo Peep did in Toy Story 4. It's also possible that the beginning of the movie can explain her absence like they did with Bo as well.

[raph27]

Maybe this movie will give Lady Sif a triumphant return like Bo Peep did in Toy Story 4. It's also possible that the beginning of the movie can explain her absence like they did with Bo as well.

Yeah, one of my big gripes with Ragnarok is that Sif was completely cast aside, not even namedropped to explain her absence. Some have said she was shafted to give Valkyrie more of a spotlight, but I think the two are different enough to coexist.

[Andrew NDB]

That would make me happy, if they brought Sif back to the forefront. It even suits the "strong womyn" deal they're onto.

[CyberCubed]

Amazes me that Thor is still going instead of Cap/Iron Man. Beta Ray Bill was rumored to appear in Guardians of Galaxy 3 so he might be in this too.

[Autbot_Benz]

Marcelo Córdova
‏Verified account @marcelocordova

#THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER IN 2021 CONFIRMED! Natalie Portman to return as the FEMALE THOR!!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Marcelo Córdova
‏Verified account @marcelocordova

#THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER IN 2021 CONFIRMED! Natalie Portman to return as the FEMALE THOR!!

Aw what the fvck. Seriously?

[TigerClaw]

Here's the official logo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_9kFW2U8AEZ4fZ?format=jpg&name=small

[Shark_Blade]

I love that Natalie Portman is coming back! :tlove:Amazes me that Thor is still going instead of Cap/Iron Man.
Because Chris Hemsworth actually loves the character and wanted to do more unlike Chris Evans and RDJ who wanted their contract to end. Simple logic.

[Vegita-San]

Here's the official logo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_9kFW2U8AEZ4fZ?format=jpg&name=small

Woke thor...joy.

RIP MCU.

[Sumac]

Looks like a He-Man logo. Very 80-s. Me likey.

[newfan]

Looks like a He-Man logo. Very 80-s. Me likey.

Yeah it does feel a little 80's.

This was surprising to me, I assumed Thor movies were finished too. Not sure about Protman's character being a female Thor, but will wait and see how that comes to be.

[ZariusTwo]

They're taking another bold risk. Portman is dry as ice, and Lady Thor was a vital component of Marvel's infamous "woke" phase from 2015-2017 that almost tanked the company in comics sales

Woke thor...joy.

RIP MCU.

Oh a few bright spots aside, they've been a zombie franchise for a while now, people are just catching on.

[Vegita-San]

sigh

LG7LCdNTYMw

[Andrew NDB]

I was wrong about Valkyrie but dead on about Female Thor.

[Galactus]

They're taking another bold risk. Portman is dry as ice, and Lady Thor was a vital component of Marvel's infamous "woke" phase from 2015-2017 that almost tanked the company in comics sales

No it didn't. You can repeat that false narrative until you every rube is convinced of it but it doesn't make it true.

It's not like Jane Foster as Thor was even meant to be part of Marvel's "woke" phase. It was originally intended as a short story but was so well received it was stretched out for years and done so successfully. Both volumes of Aaron's Jane Foster Thor series outsold Aaron's own God Of Thunder series which preceded it and at the time was hyped as proof Thor could be a top seller.

The character even generally sold well across the various formats. Digital, trade and the (apparently) all important single issue floppies. She succeeded on the terms even comicgaters set not that made a difference to their reception of the character.

A character that did that well was always a no brainer to be adapted into the movies. The only real suprise is that they've actually managed to tempt Natalie Portman back.

I really wish that weren’t a thing. Just make a new movie, damnit. It eliminates the risk of these shows being ignored/treated as sub-canon.

And yeah, I know they’re saying they won’t be- but who really knows with Disney?

If we're viewing the comics as something like a test kitchen for ideas for the movies then Sam's reception as Captain America was mixed. I imagine they will see how the mini series is received to see if/how they want to incorporate Sam Wilson into further movies.

[Xav]

How would this even work anyway? Thor's hammer was destroyed in part 3.

[Galactus]

How would this even work anyway? Thor's hammer was destroyed in part 3.

They could always build a new one. Eitri and Nidavellir should still be there.

My money is on Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness playing a role. That Jane's Mjolnir if not this version of Jane herself comes from another universe.

[neatoman]

How would this even work anyway? Thor's hammer was destroyed in part 3.

There's an alternate timeline version of it that replaced the original in Endgame.

[ProphetofGanja]

Woo hoo! This should be fun

[raph27]

Oh a few bright spots aside, they've been a zombie franchise for a while now, people are just catching on.

And of course, how would anyone figure that out without you coming into every MCU thread and moaning the same opinion post after post? :P

Unsure how I feel about all of this. I'm happy that they're actually going to do something significant with Jane Foster after all these years, but I didn't actually think that Female Thor would happen in the MCU, at least not for a while. I'm mixed about the concept itself, it raises a lot of questions:

Does she replace our current Thor, or will there be two Thors?

If "our" Thor is replaced, will he become unworthy?

Does this open the door for characters like Beta Ray Bill to come in?

The movie's pretty far off so I guess all these will be answered in time. Trying to reserve too much judgement until then.

[Xav]

There's an alternate timeline version of it that replaced the original in Endgame.Except Cap returned it to it's original timeline.

[neatoman]

Except Cap returned it to it's original timeline.

Don't remember that, just the stones.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Not excited to have Jane Foster back. She worked in the comics, I guess, but I dunno, I didn't read them. (Basically she got cancer and got worthy, right?)

But the character failed in the MCU; and making her THE star of the fourth Thor movie seems like a terrible, terrible idea.

[ZariusTwo]

Jane's become the new Valkyrie in the comics now, but they'll probably change her back to Thor in two years time because they love cross-brand synergy.

[raph27]

Don't remember that, just the stones.

Since he came back without Mjolnir on the bench, we can assume he returned it to Asgard as well, especially considering he was already there to return the Aether to Jane.


But the character failed in the MCU; and making her THE star of the fourth Thor movie seems like a terrible, terrible idea.

I share the same concerns based on her bland characterization in the two Thor movies, but from the behind the scenes drama I heard about TDW she left Marvel because she was also disappointed in what they wrote her as. I'm hoping if they convinced her back, it's because now there's a better role than last time.

[Galactus]

Don't remember that, just the stones.

I'm sure he had the hammer with him.

Not excited to have Jane Foster back. She worked in the comics, I guess, but I dunno, I didn't read them. (Basically she got cancer and got worthy, right?)

But the character failed in the MCU; and making her THE star of the fourth Thor movie seems like a terrible, terrible idea.

Who says she's the star of the movie.

Sure, they are making a big deal Natalie Portman because she's a fairly big name that no one expected to return to the MCU and they are drawing inspiration from a popular story line from the comics.

I'd wager Hemsworth's Odinson will still be the star. This just reminds me of when people were convinced Endgame was going to be Captain Marvel ft The Avengers and she'd get the final blow against Thanos.

[CyberCubed]

I didn't think Natalie Portman was bad in Thor 1, just kinda forgettable. In Thor 2 she and the rest of them were pretty boring/annoying but so was the whole movie in general.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Who says she's the star of the movie.

Sure, they are making a big deal Natalie Portman because she's a fairly big name that no one expected to return to the MCU and they are drawing inspiration from a popular story line from the comics.

I'd wager Hemsworth's Odinson will still be the star. This just reminds me of when people were convinced Endgame was going to be Captain Marvel ft The Avengers and she'd get the final blow against Thanos.

Granted, nobody has explicitly said that. But it seems a weird direction to take Thor if Natalie ISN'T taking over. Also given how Thor very weirdly decided to say "fvck it" at the end of Avengers 4 and give the throne over, it seems pretty apparent that while the Thor franchise may not go anywhere, the MCU is more interested in exploring new aspects of the franchise and phasing the original lead out.

Just in the same way that Hawkeye is being replaced by Kate Bishop, Captain America is being replaced by Bucky and Falcon, Iron Man and Black Widow are dead, and Hulk never gets a solo movie anyway because Universal.

The MCU will continue for years; but the Original 6 Avengers have been and are still being removed from the board.

[Galactus]

Granted, nobody has explicitly said that. But it seems a weird direction to take Thor if Natalie ISN'T taking over. Also given how Thor very weirdly decided to say "fvck it" at the end of Avengers 4 and give the throne over, it seems pretty apparent that while the Thor franchise may not go anywhere, the MCU is more interested in exploring new aspects of the franchise and phasing the original lead out.

Just in the same way that Hawkeye is being replaced by Kate Bishop, Captain America is being replaced by Bucky and Falcon, Iron Man and Black Widow are dead, and Hulk never gets a solo movie anyway because Universal.

The MCU will continue for years; but the Original 6 Avengers have been and are still being removed from the board.

The original Avengers cast are being removed from the board because they are all been involved in this for a decade and want to move on.

Chris Hemsworth is in a different place though. He's not like Scarlet Jo who wants to move on movies that are going to win her awards and is giving Marvel one last movie, he doesn't want to direct like Chris Evans and while not bad or anything his career prospects aren't as strong as RDJ.

On the flip side it actually looks like the Thor franchise is only just beginning to pop. I'm sure there is an aspect of this of lining up a potential successor should he ever want to leave but right now Hemsworth wants to stay and I don't think anyone is eager to ditch him. All this and he may still be in Guardians vol 3.

[Autbot_Benz]

THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER Director Makes It Clear That Jane Foster Is "Mighty Thor" Not "Female Thor"

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/thor/thor_love_and_thunder/thor-love-and-thunder-director-makes-it-clear-that-jane-foster-is-mighty-thor-not-female-thor-a169673

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The original Avengers cast are being removed from the board because they are all been involved in this for a decade and want to move on.

Chris Hemsworth is in a different place though. He's not like Scarlet Jo who wants to move on movies that are going to win her awards and is giving Marvel one last movie, he doesn't want to direct like Chris Evans and while not bad or anything his career prospects aren't as strong as RDJ.

On the flip side it actually looks like the Thor franchise is only just beginning to pop. I'm sure there is an aspect of this of lining up a potential successor should he ever want to leave but right now Hemsworth wants to stay and I don't think anyone is eager to ditch him. All this and he may still be in Guardians vol 3.

I applaud your optimism, but I can't help but see things in a grimmer light. :tlol:

[Vegita-San]

same

SBadi34bLpU

[CyberCubed]

The future is forever female.

[neatoman]

The future is forever female.

The future is ferrets.

[Coola Yagami]

I just remembered.... Female Thor is built, Jane is a regular human. So is Nat gonna hit the gym or will they get a body double for the Thor scenes? I mean it's a bit different using CGI to make Evans looks scrawny for a bit than it is to make Jane look buff for most of the movie.

[Autbot_Benz]

same

SBadi34bLpU


Of Course Vegita would post an Angry Neckbeard youtube video.
https://i.imgur.com/87yEXzq.jpg

[Xav]

The future is forever female.Lesbian female?

[Shark_Blade]

I just remembered.... Female Thor is built, Jane is a regular human. So is Nat gonna hit the gym or will they get a body double for the Thor scenes? I mean it's a bit different using CGI to make Evans looks scrawny for a bit than it is to make Jane look buff for most of the movie.

Not too drastic musclewise, gonna still be curvy like Black Widow & Capn Marvel.

[The Deadman]

Here's When Natalie Portman Agreed To Play The Mighty Thor In THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/thor/thor_love_and_thunder/heres-when-natalie-portman-agreed-to-play-the-mighty-thor-in-thor-love-and-thunder-a169678

[The Deadman]

same

SBadi34bLpU

We get it, MARVEL only caters to SJWs. Yet nothing has come out about THIS FILM that screams I'M A WOMAN AND MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU.

[Autbot_Benz]

Everybody's Not so Favorite Brie Larson decided to post this pic

https://i.imgur.com/6pk1arM.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

We get it, MARVEL only caters to SJWs. Yet nothing has come out about THIS FILM that screams I'M A WOMAN AND MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU.

But... nothing has really come out about this movie at all. We've gotten a logo, that's it. Give it time.

Hopefully not, though.

[Autbot_Benz]

Looks like Taita will maybe doing the Jane Foster has breast cancer storyline from Jason Aaron's Thor for this movie.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/thor-love-and-thunder-natalie-portman-taika-waititi-1203370166/

(Jason Aaron's Run on Thor is really good by the way)

[neatoman]

Looks like Taita will maybe doing the Jane Foster has breast cancer storyline from Jason Aaron's Thor for this movie.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/thor-love-and-thunder-natalie-portman-taika-waititi-1203370166/

(Jason Aaron's Run on Thor is really good by the way)

I was going to make a Breaking Bad joke, but I can't figure out a decent angle.

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like Taita will maybe doing the Jane Foster has breast cancer storyline from Jason Aaron's Thor for this movie.

I've been under the general assumption of this since the movie was announced.

[Autbot_Benz]

Christian Bale is in talks to join the movie

https://collider.com/christian-bale-thor-love-and-thunder-cast/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter


I hope he might play Beta Ray Bill if he is in the movie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Christian Bale is in talks to join the movie

https://collider.com/christian-bale-thor-love-and-thunder-cast/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter


I hope he might play Beta Ray Bill if he is in the movie.

Oh please no. He'd end up with mocap and nothing but jokes, I can't imagine Bale actually wanting that. Look what happened to Eccleston, or a handful of other guys.

[Sumac]

Eccleston was wasted on a typical worthless one-bit MCU villain role.
Goldblum and actress who played Hel, in contrast, were not, so I have some hopes for this. Even though I don't think of Bale as a comedic actor.

[Leo656]

It would honestly be a shame; Bale has an outspoken hatred of those kinds of movies and has sworn up and down that he'd never lower himself to do one. He's always prided himself on being a "serious" actor and not a CGI/motion capture Blockbuster Movie kinda guy.

Like, he'd be good in any role anyone wants to cast him in, because he's Christian Bale. But it would be sad to see him do a movie like this because it would basically be an admission of, "Yeah, I snorted all my Batman money and now I'm kind of stuck."

It would be kinda like how Sunny/Tammy Sytch refused to even pose for Playboy in her prime because she was "above" that, and then ends up doing buttsex porn in her middle-age because of her drug problems and legal fees. One part "Yay, finally!" mixed with two parts "Oof, that's actually sad they have to resort to this."

[Andrew NDB]

Though Bale is about at that age where he will probably want to start doing stuff that his kids will enjoy, or whatever. "Look at Daddy on screen looking like an alien next to Thor doing goofy things!" etc..

I enjoyed Ragnarok but I found it a bad direction to go in for Thor. I don't know that great things will come of this movie but mostly I am happy to see Portman brought back into things, and there's the possibility of heartstrings to be pulled with the cancer storyline.

[Leo656]

I can't be the only one who kind of finds it offensive to people with cancer that we're gonna be doing a thing where someone gets "cured" of it or whatever by being given a magical hammer. Feels kind of irresponsible. Nobody asked me, but it's the first thing that comes to my mind regardless. "Sucks you have cancer, BUT now you're Thor, so don't worry about it!" That sounds awful on its face, but I guess execution is everything. I'm sure it'll be handled with more grace than that, or at least one would hope. That's just my knee-jerk reaction.

That's about where my thoughts begin and end on this. I only liked the first Thor movie and I generally hate everything this director does, so it's an easy pass for me. It's been at least ten years since everyone realized that Natalie Portman simply isn't that good an actress, so she alone isn't gonna be enough to get me to pay attention.

Fair point about Bale, though. I just hate when people get like that. "I know, I DID have principles... but I wanna make this parasite that fell out of my wife smile a few times before he grows up and starts telling me how bad I ruined his life. So now I'm a clown." It's so... sad.

[Sumac]

Principles everywhere exist to be broken. Doubly so in Hollywood.

World will lose absolutely nothing, if Bale starts playing clowns.
And as a big fan of Thor: Ragnarok, it gives me hope to see Bale in a role which won't make me feel like turning off channel.

[Autbot_Benz]

Bale will be playing the Villain in the movie.

https://www.etonline.com/media/videos/tessa-thompson-confirms-christian-bale-will-play-the-villain-in-thor-love-and-thunder

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Bale will be playing the Villain in the movie.

https://www.etonline.com/media/videos/tessa-thompson-confirms-christian-bale-will-play-the-villain-in-thor-love-and-thunder

Dammit, Bale... I'm losing a bit of respect here. :tsad:

[AquaParade]

"I-was-checking-the-lights. I-was-checking-"

[Andrew NDB]

Bale should have held out for a better role at Marvel. I can think of at least a couple of good ones within the X-Men and Fantastic Four branch of characters.

[Autbot_Benz]

Vin Diesel says The Guardians will be in Thor 4

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2020/03...mcu-crossover/

"I am waiting and excited for my friend James Gunn to knock this next one out of the park," Diesel said during an interview in promotion of his upcoming Bloodshot movie. "He took The Suicide Squad so he's about to embark on it. Thor will also, the director talked to me about Thor will incorporate some of the Guardians of the Galaxy." As Diesel himself points out, this is the first time such news has been confirmed. "That'll be very interesting, nobody knows, maybe I shouldn't have said anything."

[Autbot_Benz]

Thor 4 Will use Rainbow in the Dark by Dio in the movie

During a recent interview with Ronnie James Dio's widow and manager Wendy, she confirms that the track will be used in the highly anticipated fourth instalment in the long-running franchise.

"The movie Thor 4, they're using 'Rainbow in the Dark' in that movie," she confirms.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/thor/thor_love_and_thunder/thor-love-and-thunder-will-reportedly-feature-dios-rainbow-in-the-dark-song-a173710

As a huge fan of Ronnie James Dio this is excellent

[IMJ]

As long as they have Bale trying to insert a cat into an ATM, then everything will be okay.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Speaking of cats, when will we 2ver find out what became of Goose? I already miss that mother-flerken!

[Andrew NDB]

Speaking of cats, when will we 2ver find out what became of Goose? I already miss that mother-flerken!

I'm sure it'll turn up in a big way in "Captain Marvel: Secret Invasion."

[Galactus]

I can't be the only one who kind of finds it offensive to people with cancer that we're gonna be doing a thing where someone gets "cured" of it or whatever by being given a magical hammer. Feels kind of irresponsible. Nobody asked me, but it's the first thing that comes to my mind regardless. "Sucks you have cancer, BUT now you're Thor, so don't worry about it!" That sounds awful on its face, but I guess execution is everything. I'm sure it'll be handled with more grace than that, or at least one would hope. That's just my knee-jerk reaction.

That's about where my thoughts begin and end on this. I only liked the first Thor movie and I generally hate everything this director does, so it's an easy pass for me. It's been at least ten years since everyone realized that Natalie Portman simply isn't that good an actress, so she alone isn't gonna be enough to get me to pay attention.

If it follows the comic book story then lifting Mjolnir and becoming the female Thor doesn't cure Jane's cancer in fact it actually cancels out her latest chemo hence why her doctors are baffled she's making so little progress.

The only cure the hammer provides is her sensing she's near the end genuinely considering staying Thor forever of course she knows she's never actually be Jane again if she does.

It kinda touches on how the early Thor appearances even when Don Blake transformed into Thor he's still have Blake's personality and memories in a thunder god body but slowly started talking cod Shekespearian thees and thous and questions just where how the times Tor has a human host how much is the host and how much is 'Thor'.

[Egon1982]

postponed due to virus

[Andrew NDB]

We can pretty much assume everything that is currently filming (whether TV or film) is postponed, let alone things that haven't even started filming yet.

My biggest worry is Better Call Saul season 6. It took a certain miracle to align things up with everyone to start shooting last month.

[Autbot_Benz]

postponed due to virus


I am not seeing that being reported anywhere. the only blurb is from Comic book resources which says "Its impact on the production timeline of Doctor Strange: In the Multiverse of Madness, Spider-Man 3 and Thor: Love and Thunder is unknown at this point."

[Leo656]

We can pretty much assume everything that is currently filming (whether TV or film) is postponed, let alone things that haven't even started filming yet.


Yeah, I pretty much said the exact same thing in another thread. I can't see anything moving forward anytime soon, and even then, most of the "regular people" are going to be out of work for YEARS, so I can't see Hollywood going right back to "business as usual" either, as it might be considered vulgar and offensive for them to go right back to spending hundreds of millions of dollars on make-believe when most people are going to be scratching and clawing just to survive. At the very least, anything that isn't a guaranteed billion-seller isn't going to move forward because it would be considered a waste of resources.

This one should be safe regardless, though. I think pretty much only the MCU and Disney remakes are "safe" and everything else is, at the least, "on hold until further notice". But I predict that most movies and TV shows that we've heard about recently are simply not going to happen.

[Autbot_Benz]

Thanks to Covid 19 new release date Feb. 18, 2022.

https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/disney-mulan-black-widow-release-dates-coronavirus-1203550173/

[ZariusTwo]

Hemsworth will not be leaving the role of Thor after this one

https://www.nme.com/news/film/chris-hemsworth-confirms-marvel-plans-beyond-thor-love-and-thunder-2751419

[AquaParade]

Happy to hear that. It will be fun to see the modern Avengers lineup comprised of a mix between old and new characters.

I've always wanted to see Spider-Man alongside Hulk on the big screen, so I'd like to see Mark Ruffalo come back as well. I've got a feeling if they bring him back, they'll start to reverse on the "smart Hulk" angle a bit or swerve it in another direction.
This is me talking out of my ass, but I could honestly imagine Ruffalo out there with Boyega right now complaining about his role in the last few Avengers films, if he were less professional or just appreciative of the opportunity. I don't let it bother me , and smart Hulk was sort of charming, but at the end of the day, it felt like the Russo's were juggling him around wherever they could fit him between their two films imo.

As for who leads the new iteration of Avengers, should there be one, I've assumed Sam Wilson would be the choice, but they'll really have to sell us on that first won't they? He's been the epitome of "back-up" his entire time in the MCU, so seeing him step up to lead is going to be interesting. Maybe there is something poetic about Sam being the last one to say "On your left..." to Cap, as if he is now stepping up to take the mantle and lead.
They could choose to give that Role to Captain Marvel, or surprise us all and not give us an Avengers lineup in in the traditional sense.
What do you think?

[Autbot_Benz]

If he is still Thor while Jane is Thor cool if not he can be just Odinsion when he was unworthy.

[TigerClaw]

If he is still Thor while Jane is Thor cool if not he can be just Odinsion when he was unworthy.
Let's not forget Beta Ray Bill. We have 3 Thor types in the marvel comics.

I wonder if the movie will use Jane Foster's cancer story from the comics. When she becomes Thor she doesn't have the cancer on her unless she changes back to normal.

[Galactus]

Happy to hear that. It will be fun to see the modern Avengers lineup comprised of a mix between old and new characters.

I've always wanted to see Spider-Man alongside Hulk on the big screen, so I'd like to see Mark Ruffalo come back as well. I've got a feeling if they bring him back, they'll start to reverse on the "smart Hulk" angle a bit or swerve it in another direction.
This is me talking out of my ass, but I could honestly imagine Ruffalo out there with Boyega right now complaining about his role in the last few Avengers films, if he were less professional or just appreciative of the opportunity. I don't let it bother me , and smart Hulk was sort of charming, but at the end of the day, it felt like the Russo's were juggling him around wherever they could fit him between their two films imo.

As for who leads the new iteration of Avengers, should there be one, I've assumed Sam Wilson would be the choice, but they'll really have to sell us on that first won't they? He's been the epitome of "back-up" his entire time in the MCU, so seeing him step up to lead is going to be interesting. Maybe there is something poetic about Sam being the last one to say "On your left..." to Cap, as if he is now stepping up to take the mantle and lead.
They could choose to give that Role to Captain Marvel, or surprise us all and not give us an Avengers lineup in in the traditional sense.
What do you think?

What gives you the impression that Ruffalo is dissatisfied with being in the MCU I hope smart Hulk is here to stay although I'd like him to be more confident like the Professor Hulk persona he's based on.

This may be an unpopular opinion but I'd love it if they had an Avengers lineup inspired by Bendis' New Avengers. To the degree that Avengers is supposed to Marvel's answer to the Justice League it should have all their biggest characters together in the roster. Of course that ship has sailed now that Steve and Tony are no longer available but Spider-Man and Hulk together would be something to see as would (and this may be really unpopular) Wolverine. Logan doesn't dominate Avengers stories like he does X-Men so this team may be better for him plus Wolverine vs Hulk would be something to see.

A lineup like Captain America (Sam Wilson), Thor (Jane Foster), Captain Marvel, Spider-Man, Wolverine and the Hulk with a few wild cards thrown in would be cool for me. Either Sam or Carol would lead.

If he is still Thor while Jane is Thor cool if not he can be just Odinsion when he was unworthy.

While the movie will be very inspired by Aaron's Thor run I don't think he'll become unworthy. If becoming a drunk, obese gamer recluse for five years didn't make him unworthy in the MCU then I'm not sure Gor's revelation would though I still want that to be the characters motivation.

I wonder if the movie will use Jane Foster's cancer store from the comics. When she becomes Thor she doesn't have the cancer on her unless she changes back to normal.

I think that is a safe bet.

[AquaParade]

I don't really think Ruffalo is upset, but it seems to me that he was essentially a "hot potato" for the last several years, with a lack of compelling or cohesive story arc. It's understandable with how much the MCU has to juggle. But I could imagine a less professional actor coming out and making a huge stink of it is all.

[Leo656]

Hulk SHOULD be a much bigger deal, but the wrong company owns it.

I know "things can be adapted any which way", but the Hulk story is primarily a horror story. It can be body horror, psychological horror, but from its very conception it was designed and meant to be read as horrific and unsettling, dark and violent. Cerebral. Frightening. All things Disney Will Never Touch.

Yes, the character "accidentally" became something of a "super-hero character" over time but that initially had as much to do with budgetary issues at the publisher more than anything else. Hulk is not supposed to be a traditional super-hero and I'd argue that he doesn't work very well as one.

The BEST Hulk stories are far too cerebral and "dark" for mainstream fare yet remain the only way to fully explore that character to its full potential. Stuff like "Return of the Monster" or "Startling Stories: BANNER" and so on. That's how the character should be presented, but you're never going to see that in traditional Disney/Marvel fare. So instead, he's a Generic Strong Guy character, who now they staple on the "Smart Hulk" personality as a superficial attempt at "adding depth" when all it really does is add more comedy. "HAH! The big green guy is wearing glasses, now! Oh, what a lark!" It's dumb. It's dumb that a character that was conceptualized as a "Jekyll and Hyde/Wolfman" mash-up has been reduced to comic relief and generic strongman shenanigans and so forth. There are MANY things about the MCU which annoy or outright infuriate me, but their handling of the Hulk is one of the biggest. Going back to my earliest childhood he was one of exactly two Marvel characters I cared about at an age where I could barely even read, the other one being Spider-Man and I can't say I've been thrilled at how he's been handled, either.

Frankly, the only movie Hulk has been in that's even come close to doing the character properly was the Ang Lee version. "Incredible" wasn't bad, but too silly. I get that it was more in line with what people expect from a "super-hero movie", but again, Hulk isn't a super-hero, or shouldn't be. He's more of a tragic force of nature born out of a lifetime of tragedy and abuse, the Id given free reign. But all of that is "too nasty" for a Disney project. Thus, one of their best characters is implicitly neutered by the fact that he's being produced on-screen by a company who won't do anything that might negatively affect their toy sales. When you take away the tragedy and horror elements of The Hulk, you lose almost everything about who that character is. And that's a shame, because the "real" Hulk is very interesting.

I'd love to see another Hulk solo film one day, but not so long as Disney has any hand in it whatsoever, they're incapable of doing it right. I'd actually be much more excited to see someone re-do the Ang Lee film with a better CGI Hulk model. Everything else in the movie is perfectly fine and very much in line with what it should be, it's just that the character model is a joke and thus it becomes hard to take the material seriously despite the fact that it begs you to do so. It's a very good movie and probably the best Hulk film that will ever be made, but it's very unfortunate that Lee felt that THAT was the best they could do with the main character's appearance.

Wonder what it would cost for someone to "fix" that up nowadays. Probably pennies, I figure. I bet some kid with a laptop could do it in a weekend for nothing, same way they fixed Cavill's face in Whedon's "Justice League". I'd dig it.

Anyway, yeah, I like Hulk. I do NOT like Disney Hulk. It's a wasted opportunity at best and a bad joke at worst.

[AquaParade]

I generally agree and the recent "Immortal Hulk" run by Ewing and Bennet was a great reminder that the characters roots are in horror and that is where he works best. But the character was fighting supervillains from the very early issues, so I think it's fair to say the character was meant to operate both in and out of straight horror. I think the horror element is essentially missing at this point, in the MCU portrayal, which is a shame.

[ZariusTwo]

I respect Immortal Hulk's storytelling, but I don't personally like it due to how unlikeable every character is

[Leo656]

I generally agree and the recent "Immortal Hulk" run by Ewing and Bennet was a great reminder that the characters roots are in horror and that is where he works best. But the character was fighting supervillains from the very early issues, so I think it's fair to say the character was meant to operate both in and out of straight horror. I think the horror element is essentially missing at this point, in the MCU portrayal, which is a shame.

I mean, I do like the general idea that even though he's an unstoppable rage-beast he's still a "good guy" at heart and therefore I don't absolutely hate the idea of him fighting bad guys. I just don't love the idea of him regularly and often going on heroic adventures of derring-do and all that. Even the idea of him joining a super-hero team goes very hard against his profession of a creature who just wants to be left alone. The Avengers basically using him as their "nuke in the hole" feels so manipulative on their part that I kind of resent it a little bit. Even if Banner is okay with it, I don't think Hulk is.

I don't know. The great thing about Hulk is that there are many layers to the character and he can be explored from multiple angles. The bad thing is, lazy writers can neuter him very quickly.

I'd love a film that went hard into all of Banner's warring Hulk personalities and the idea that different Hulks manifest based on different things. Joe Fixit, "Devil" Hulk and all of that. I mean the idea that he has a deep-buried Hulk persona that's nothing but pure evil to the point where both Banner AND Hulk are afraid of him is both horrifying and fascinating, and I'd love to see that explored.

Buuuuuuuuuuuut again... wrong company owns it. :tgrumble:

[Galactus]

There is a certain degree of malleability with comic book characters like Hulk that allows them to wear many hats. Your mileage may vary on just how many hats he should wear at a time but it's there.

Batman is a dark brooding loner yet has an extended family of young kids to help him in his war on crime. He's a gritty street level detective that also is a member of a team of godlike super humans. These are all ideas that are almost antithetical to each other and yet people accept he can be all these things at once that because it's the way its always been.

I don't see why people struggle viewing characters like Spider-Man and the Hulk in the same way other than they haven't traditionally been that even though Hulk was a founding member of the Avengers and even though he quit as early as the second issue they still teased for a long time after he'd rejoin and brought he back for anniversaries and the like.

As for the MCUs handling of him. I wouldn't really expect much in a team movie but there was a good idea somewhere in the whole Banner was broody for children but knew he could never bring a child into his life sub plot. Might have worked if he Scarlett had better romantic chemistry or perhaps if she wasn't pregnant and was more available to film in Age of Ultron. Who knows. At least there was an attempt to do something deeper with the character than just him being smashy smashy.

Who knows were they would go with the character in the future. The MCU is not the same franchise it was when it started and wont be the same years from now. If Marvel Studios get the impression that more cerebral movies would work they'll go that rout. Now that Marvel has the movie rights to the character we might well get a Hulk solo. Just like with Black Widow there is a certain sense that Ruffalo's version of the character deserves it.

[Leo656]

If anything, Hulk should be accidentally creating disasters that the Avengers have to stop, not actually be hanging out with them, that's a big part of my own personal disconnect. I know that they toy with that a little bit occasionally, but the Hulk, more than anyone, doesn't come off as much of a team player. Again, I don't mean Banner, I mean The Hulk. The Hulk would just as soon eat these people for bothering him, not team up with them to fight Dr. Doom. But that's just in my own experience with the character.

There's also the fact that he was only ever an Avenger because the publisher's budget for staples and ink was running low that month so they needed to cram him in somewhere. I mean, I get that that's a thing that happened often - the first book that Superman and Batman shared was for similar reasons - but it still makes a lot more sense for other characters than it does for the Hulk.

[AquaParade]

Hulk deserves a deeply emotional and raw film. I'm not sure I've even read Hulk comics that speak to my feelings about it. Hulk stories should recall a deep, primitive anger and sadness we have inside and capitalize on the catharsis of having it released. Hulk should make you cry from deep down.

But I actually kind of adored the goofy, loveable Hulk of Ragnarok. "Earth hate Hulk :( "

[ZariusTwo]

Chris Pratt officially signed to the movie

https://www.ign.com/articles/thor-4-chris-pratt-peter-quill-star-lord

[TigerClaw]

Chris Pratt officially signed to the movie

https://www.ign.com/articles/thor-4-chris-pratt-peter-quill-star-lord
I love the chemistry between Starlord and Thor. Its like two alpha males competing for leadership.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Chris Pratt officially signed to the movie

https://www.ign.com/articles/thor-4-chris-pratt-peter-quill-star-lord

Oh, uh, okay. Huh. Didn't see that coming.

[Autbot_Benz]

Oh, uh, okay. Huh. Didn't see that coming.

makes sense since at the end of endgame Thor leaves Valkyrie in charge and goes off with the Guardians for more adventures.

[Autbot_Benz]

Christan Bale is indeed playing Gorr the god butcher. I have read/own the run this story comes from and as excited as I am for this movie. The movie probably won't have the awesome 3 thors (current Thor Prince Odinson and King Thor) and his granddaughters fighting Gorr.

https://www.vulture.com/2020/12/christian-bale-thor-4-gorr-the-god-butcher.html

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Christan Bale is indeed playing Gorr the god butcher. I have read/own the run this story comes from and as excited as I am for this movie. The movie probably won't have the awesome 3 thors (current Thor Prince Odinson and King Thor) and his granddaughters fighting Gorr.

https://www.vulture.com/2020/12/christian-bale-thor-4-gorr-the-god-butcher.html

It was a great damn story. Loved it.

But combining this with Fat Thor (hahahaha isn't he funny) and Jane Thor... nah, not interested. Not gonna meet my expectations at all, given Marvel's track record with Thor movies.

[Autbot_Benz]

The Fans have demanded it and you are getting your wish. Lady Sif returns in Thor Love and Thunder

https://deadline.com/2020/12/sif-mcu-jaimie-alexander-thor-love-and-thunder-and-loki-1234655160/

[Andrew NDB]

The Fans have demanded it and you are getting your wish. Lady Sif returns in Thor Love and Thunder

https://deadline.com/2020/12/sif-mcu-jaimie-alexander-thor-love-and-thunder-and-loki-1234655160/

Thank goodness. Only took half of the existing MCU movies to get back to her.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Thank goodness. Only took half of the existing MCU movies to get back to her.

I know, right? What the fvck took so long?

And now the best of the three female characters has to share screen time with Natalie Portman and Tessa Thompson. Grr....

[Andrew NDB]

I know, right? What the fvck took so long?

I never wanted to believe the rumors about Jaimie Alexander doing those two "Agents of SHIELD" TV appearances rubbing Feige and company the wrong way but... maybe that was it?

It wasn't like her role on the Blindspot TV show was ever a problem... she was never asked! Until Thor: Ragnarok, that is, where she was asked to film a quick cameo -- I more than suspect it was the random but noble Asgardian we'd never seen before that died quickly when Hela showed up... pretty sure that was originally going to be Sif.

And now the best of the three female characters has to share screen time with Natalie Portman and Tessa Thompson. Grr....

Might not be too late to play the Jane/Sif/Thor love triangle.

[ZariusTwo]

Matt Damon's in the movie

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/thor-love-and-thunder-matt-damon-cast-reportedly/

[Andrew NDB]

Matt Damon's in the movie

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/thor-love-and-thunder-matt-damon-cast-reportedly/

Since Waititi directed the last one and Damon was in that one, too... we can probably imagine what "role" Damon is going to play or reprise in this one.

I really hope this ends up being a real Thor movie and not just "MCU: Ragnarok Part 2."

[Sumac]

Considering I liked TR more than any previous Thor movies, I'd say, Ragnarok Part 2 would be very much OK with me.

[ssjup81]

Considering I liked TR more than any previous Thor movies, I'd say, Ragnarok Part 2 would be very much OK with me.Same here. Loved the third film. If I were to rank the Thor films, it would be Thor Ragnarok, Thor 1, Thor 2. If the fourth movie is as fun as the third, it'll probably take the place of Ragnarok or Thor 1. The second film was a pain to get through (imo).

The only downside for the upcoming Thor film for me is that Natalie Portman is back as Jane Foster for it. -_- I just can't stand her character.

[Autbot_Benz]

Considering I liked TR more than any previous Thor movies, I'd say, Ragnarok Part 2 would be very much OK with me.

Same Ragnarok was fantastic felt like a Jack Kirby comic come to life.

[Sumac]

I've never read any Thor comic books, old or modern, so my only point of reference are the movies.
First, was a bit of a slog and rather generic.
Second was a mess. Just a mess.
And a third was what I think comic book movies should be (not all of them, of course): FUN.

[Galactus]

Since Waititi directed the last one and Damon was in that one, too... we can probably imagine what "role" Damon is going to play or reprise in this one.

I really hope this ends up being a real Thor movie and not just "MCU: Ragnarok Part 2."

It's pretty much a given that it's going to be Ragnarok part 2. the Thor movies were seen to be the weak link of the MCU and then Ragnarok came along and made the character and franchise a commercial and critical hit. It would be foolish not to make a followup in the same veign.

Same Ragnarok was fantastic felt like a Jack Kirby comic come to life.

In some ways yes. Just not a Jack Kirby Thor comic book.

I've never read any Thor comic books, old or modern, so my only point of reference are the movies.
First, was a bit of a slog and rather generic.
Second was a mess. Just a mess.
And a third was what I think comic book movies should be (not all of them, of course): FUN.

I have a soft spot for the first Kenneth Branaugh directed Thor. Everthing on Asgard is great but it's all the stuff on Earth which...isn't bad but not particularly interesting as it could have been.

I re-watched The Dark World after Endgame and liked it better than I remembered but it was still a bit of chore to get through.

Ragnarok is strange because I really enjoyed it but tonally it didn't really feel like a Thor movie. The character has been used for comedy before so it's not too much of stretch but part of me that's always wanted a Thor movie was was disapointed while another part that just wants good movies really loved it.

[Autbot_Benz]

unfortunately Melissa Mccarthy has been cast as Fake Hela for the Asgardian play that will tell what happened in ragnarok.


https://comicbook.com/movies/news/thor-love-thunder-set-photos-melissa-mccarthy-character/

[Autbot_Benz]

Russell Crowe has been cast in the movie

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/russell-crowe-thor-love-and-thunder-marvel/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Russell Crowe has been cast in the movie

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/russell-crowe-thor-love-and-thunder-marvel/

Probably doing one of those skits with Matt Damon playing fake Loki or whatever.

[Andrew NDB]

i.e. he was cast many months ago. The movie has been shooting for many weeks now.

Yeah, don't expect anything substantial from Crowe. He's huge now.

[ssjup81]

unfortunately Melissa Mccarthy has been cast as Fake Hela for the Asgardian play that will tell what happened in ragnarok.


https://comicbook.com/movies/news/thor-love-thunder-set-photos-melissa-mccarthy-character/Unfortunate is right! I don't care for her either. ><

[Autbot_Benz]

Russell Crowe has been cast in the movie

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/russell-crowe-thor-love-and-thunder-marvel/

Russell Crowe is Playing Zeus


Crowe revealed the role he is playing is ruler of the Gods Zeus, and he revealed it during an interview on JOY Breakfast with The Murphys, Crowe said "I'm gonna get on my bicycle. I'm gonna ride up to Disney Fox Studios, and around about 9:15 I shall be Zeus!"

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/russell-crowe-confirms-playing-thor-love-and-thunder/

[TigerClaw]

Russell Crowe is Playing Zeus




https://comicbook.com/movies/news/russell-crowe-confirms-playing-thor-love-and-thunder/
Looks like the twitter post was taken down. Maybe he wasn't supposed to reveal that.

[Sumac]

Where's offended crowds of autists crying that he can't play Zeus, since he was Greek?

[ZariusTwo]

They have wrapped filming

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1399872482799067138

[Andrew NDB]

Portman BTS:

https://i.ibb.co/LxgN2Sg/231455901-10227347756099121-6044519438152795930-n.jpg

Also Bale spotted on set for reshoots in full costume:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9858459/Christian-Bale-seen-TIME-Gorr-God-Butcher-filming-Thor-Love-Thunder.html

[Autbot_Benz]

Bumped To 7/8/22

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/marvel-doctor-strange-2-thor-4-release-date-delay/

[Autbot_Benz]

Official Promo Poster

https://i.imgur.com/D2x3b3M.jpg

[Coola Yagami]

Official Promo Poster

https://i.imgur.com/D2x3b3M.jpg

So is there no villain in the movie, or is female Thor the villain?

[Autbot_Benz]

So is there no villain in the movie, or is female Thor the villain?

Gorr The Godbutcher is the villain played by Christian Bale.

[Coola Yagami]

Gorr The Godbutcher is the villain played by Christian Bale.

Yeah but where is he on the poster? Can someone point him out? Is he that goat thing?

[Autbot_Benz]

Official Promo Poster

https://i.imgur.com/D2x3b3M.jpg

Taika says the poster is fake


Taika Waititi
@TaikaWaititi
This is so bad that I kinda wish it was an official poster. It's definitely what I would have done if I was in charge of posters.

[Sumac]

Yep, this is Asylum-tier poster.

[ZariusTwo]

tgB1wUcmbbw

[IMJ]

Not the best trailer. I'm sure it will be a fun flick but this is all getting formulaic. And who would've thought that out of all of the Marvel I.P.'s, "Thor" would go 4 solo movies?

I'm sure it will be fun. Ragnarok was awesome and a much needed revival for Thor but I can't help but feel that it might wear thin with this one. We'll see, I guess.

[Andrew NDB]

Interesting that they deemphasized Portman's part. And didn't show Bale at all.

That's Russell Crowe at 0:52. Has to be.

[frank_one]

Interesting that they deemphasized Portman's part. And didn't show Bale at all.It's just a teaser. I'm sure they will show more in the final trailer.

[ProphetofGanja]

Yeah, Marvel is playing things super close to the vest right now, this is the shortest wait between teaser release and movie release for any MCU flick so far. They really don't want to reveal too much about future stories when other stuff is still going on (Moon Knight, DSMoM). A symptom of such an interconnected series of films I guess.

[Andrew NDB]

I guess. For some reason I thought this wasn't coming out until the end of the year or next year.

Since it is a Thor movie it really represents the biggest continuance of the pre-Phase 3 MCU we've gotten since Endgame. I wonder how much the final movie is going to go against people's expectations.

[Leo656]

I wonder how much the final movie is going to go against people's expectations.

Probably not as much as when Ragnarok was originally billed as "The Darkest Marvel Movie Yet!" and then they instead made... the movie they made, just because Waititi and Hemsworth are a couple of goofballs who think comics are for dumb people.

So yeah, whatever this movie ends up being, it probably won't be THAT much of a deviation from expectations. Hard to top that one, any way you look at it; promise people an actual "Fall of the Gods" with everything that would entail dramatically, and give 'em a bunch of butt jokes instead.

I know people liked it, I'm just saying, kind of a bait-and-switch, objectively.

This is only on my mind because I literally just read about it yesterday in an article about movies that changed dramatically from what was promised vs. what was actually made.

[Sumac]

Probably not as much as when Ragnarok was originally billed as "The Darkest Marvel Movie Yet!" and then they instead made... the movie they made, just because Waititi and Hemsworth are a couple of goofballs who think comics are for dumb people.
Imagine thinking that "fun and colorful" movie is for dumb people only. LOL.

[Leo656]

I'd have the exact same problem if someone made a Daredevil movie in the exact same way. Even if it played well with casual audiences, it's not tonally appropriate for that character.

Thor isn't a comedic character, outside of the MCU where for whatever reason they decided he needed to be the "dumb meathead jock" of the Avengers. The first movie had some issues across the board, but as far as tone it was much more in-line with how Thor is generally portrayed so I at least appreciated that much. There was a *little* bit of humor but it wasn't overwhelming everything else.

Also, for whatever it's worth, calling a movie "Ragnarok" and making it a comedic romp makes about as much sense as calling a movie "Holocaust" and making it about clowns pelting Hitler with banana cream pies for two hours.

[Andrew NDB]

Thor isn't a comedic character, outside of the MCU where for whatever reason they decided he needed to be the "dumb meathead jock" of the Avengers. The first movie had some issues across the board, but as far as tone it was much more in-line with how Thor is generally portrayed so I at least appreciated that much. There was a *little* bit of humor but it wasn't overwhelming everything else.

Yeah, it was fine as an introductory piece to Thor and magic in the MCU. Kind of have a laugh at it, sure. It worked and audiences that might never have seen a "Swords and sorcery" type movie turned up.

Thor 2 they tried to do a real Thor movie but somewhere between meddling with the director and reshooting in a bunch of Loki stuff to appease the ladies, it didn't make it to the finish line. But rather than learning lessons about dicking around proven directors and them forcibly adding in schlock they decided it was because Thor 2 was too serious and dark.

Thor 3 could tripled and quadrupled down on the silly from Thor 1. It abandoned everything worth continuing from the first two movies and just said, "You know what? F*** it. Wacky comedy!"

No, not excited about Thor 4 which pretty obviously will just be a doubling down on Thor 3. Still, some continuation of the Jane relationship will be nice to see and apparently Lady Sif is also in this (though I'd be surprised if they bothered with the love triangle at this stage in the game).

I wonder how much the story is going to be bogged down with Tessa Thompson's character "looking for a queen." Eugh. Oh god, you don't suppose they're going to take poor Lady Sif and...

Also, for whatever it's worth, calling a movie "Ragnarok" and making it a comedic romp makes about as much sense as calling a movie "Holocaust" and making it about clowns pelting Hitler with banana cream pies for two hours.

When you're right, you're right.

[IMJ]

Really wondering if the movie is woke $#!( and the trailer was directed towards Thor's pensive decision making due to the increased lesson-learning that woke $#!( doesn't make money.

"King Valkyrie". Girl-Thor. Watiti's crusade against "the" racists. etc.

These things are all winding machines years in the making. For example, I thought Ragnarok was immensely watchable and fun, but that was being made only at the threshold of Hollywood virtue-signaling nonsense. Love and Thunder was being put together at the height of witch-hunt culture, so I can only imagine how much of it will be in there while the current marketing has been sloping away from that nonsense.

Unless some overt messaging or other nonsense breaks out about this movie though, it will likely get a ticket buy from me along with Dr. Strange. Gorr the God Butcher looks like $#@!( though. Another example of liberties being taken with the source material - great for the easily entertained blowhards, but no good for discerning fans looking for the content that they love. I'm seeing a lot of chatter about that around the fan circles. My guess is that near the end of the movie he will be "revealed" in his full-on "voldemort form" or whatever.

[Leo656]

I never saw Thor 2. My wife loves Thor from the comics and we both liked the first movie well enough, but for whatever reason we missed the sequel in theaters and as far as I know neither of us have ever seen it.

She's not big on Marvel anyway, if anything she's more agnostic than I am about the brand but she's always liked Thor because she's huge into Norse mythology stuff. I think she saw part of Ragnarok on cable and said that while it was funny and she understood why they did it that way it was not at all the kind of "Ragnarok" movie she wanted to see. So she both liked and didn't like the bit that she saw.

She's much more into comedy than I am just in general. But as a Thor fan she was disappointed with how he was portrayed outside of the first movie. I'm not sure if she cares about the new one, she hasn't said anything about it at all.

I think at the least it's kinda neat that they brought Portman back, since at one point she said she was "totally done" with the franchise and at the time the Marvel brass even admitted they had no plans for her character. So for the sake of continuity it's nice they brought her back.

[Andrew NDB]

I think at the least it's kinda neat that they brought Portman back, since at one point she said she was "totally done" with the franchise and at the time the Marvel brass even admitted they had no plans for her character

I've always believed the former statement there was a result of the latter there, not because of anything else or her deciding she wanted out for some reason.

[Leo656]

Oh, yeah, totally. I don't think she had any problem being part of he franchise and let's face it, she's not an A-Lister anymore so it's not like people are beating her door down with projects. I'm sure she would have been fine doing as much stuff in the MCU as they asked her to... They just didn't ask.

Seems like most of her activity in recent years has just been apologizing for every movie she ever made before Star Wars, since it was all that Lolita-type stuff like "The Professional" and "Beautiful Girls". Stuff she begged and fought to do at the time, and now is like "I had no idea what kinds of movies they were." Nonsense.

But anyways, doesn't seem like she's been extremely busy lately so I'm quite sure she would have done more Marvel stuff if they'd asked. That Star Wars money can't last forever and nobody's really cared about her since it turned out "Black Swan" was impossible to masturbate to.

[IMJ]

She's a good actress though. Her catalog is solid and there are more than a handful of cult classics that Portman has been involved in.

I mean when your first flick is a Luc Besson movie you are bound to have an amazing career.... :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

I thought "Annihilation" was terribly underrated, personally. Very haunting.

and nobody's really cared about her since it turned out "Black Swan" was impossible to masturbate to.

https://c.tenor.com/GETKwytEL_oAAAAd/its-possible-brandon-scott.gif

[Leo656]

Too weird for me, man.:lol: Not a bad movie at all but aside from all the general weirdness, seeing two already-skinny actresses in Portman and Kunis go Full-Blown Anorexic just made me uncomfortable. Vertebrae and xylophone ribcage don't get me hard. I like thin girls but that movie's a bridge too far, for me.

I mean, when I heard "Portman and Kunis are doing a movie together and they have a sex scene," I couldn't wait to see it. Then it was like, "......Oh." I just didn't find it erotic. Not a bad movie but the director's work is hit-or-miss with me. I thought "The Wrestler" was overrated, too. Not bad at all, just not the revelation everyone said it was.

Anyway, yeah, Portman is a decent actress in general. Aside from anytime she needs to have an accent. Like she was generally fine in "V For Vendetta", but you really gotta get used to that disappearing/reappearing accent of hers. It's like half the time she forgot she was supposed to be British and they just didn't bother to reshoot her scenes for better continuity.

[Coola Yagami]

I'll go see it if my friend wants to see it, but I don't recall them ever being a fan of Thor.

I'm more eager to watch Multiverse of Madness.

[IMJ]

I thought "Annihilation" was terribly underrated, personally. Very haunting.

Great movie.....

[Autbot_Benz]

Go8nTmfrQd8

[CyberCubed]

Looks good, surprisingly.

[superstaff]

Hmm.

Looks like it could potentially be fun, though I'm wary given the MCU's current track record. I am also not a huge fan of Jane Thor. I was interested in Doctor Strange 2 initially because Sam Raimi, and ended up completely turned off by it, so...

[Leo656]

I feel like people know what they're in for from Waititi by now. He's one of those directors where a person either loves or hates their style with no in-between.

Marvel let him do whatever he wanted last time and it made big money, so there's no reason to think they'd want to reinvent the wheel for this one. Anyone who liked Ragnarok will like this. If you hated it or were agnostic about it, this one will probably be more of the same, except more "woke" with the female-centric protagonists, so whatever your personal mileage is on that stuff will also be a factor, probably.

You gotta believe there will be at least one line of dialog either implying or flat-out saying that Portman's "Thor" is even better at being Thor than Actual Thor. I mean, that's almost a promise.

[superstaff]

You gotta believe there will be at least one line of dialog either implying or flat-out saying that Portman's "Thor" is even better at being Thor than Actual Thor. I mean, that's almost a promise.

See, that's a huge deal breaker for me. That kind of crap is so unnecessary, distracting, disrespectful, etc.

I also don't mind silliness and whatnot, but I am so tired of excessive humor and drama being undercut with stupid jokes. Ragnarok is what ramped up that trend as well.

[Leo656]

I abhor it myself, but I mean, Disney's gonna go where the money is. Goofy Thor sold a lot more tickets than Comics-Faithful Thor did. Bad for the character and the "art" of storytelling, but great for casual audiences who just want a few laughs, which is apparently the MCU audience in a nutshell.

Also, Waititi is a total wokester so if there's NO stuff in the movie about "chicks rule and boys drool" I'd be shocked. And didn't they already say that the black chick from the previous movie is going to get more space to explore her bisexuality in this one? Could've sworn I heard that somewhere, like that was a bullet point.

None of it affects me personally since I'll never see it. Just saying I kinda feel like people know what to expect by now, or should.

[Autbot_Benz]

You gotta believe there will be at least one line of dialog either implying or flat-out saying that Portman's "Thor" is even better at being Thor than Actual Thor. I mean, that's almost a promise.

The Comics already kinda did that with this page. Thor was unworthy at the time and Volstagg had become the War Thor

https://i.imgur.com/GqE80cR.jpg

[superstaff]

The Comics already kinda did that with this page. Thor was unworthy at the time and Volstagg had become the War Thor

https://i.imgur.com/GqE80cR.jpg

God, I hate modern DC and Marvel so much...

The feminist posturing is just one aspect of many, by the way.

[Leo656]

Chicks are always all about being "the dominant species"... until someone needs a spider killed or something heavy hauled up a flight of stairs.

Which is why when society inevitably collapses and the survivors are forced to start over as best they can, "the patriarchy" will reestablish itself. There will be SO much bug-killing and heavy lifting going on that the women will be rushing to go back to "barefoot and pregnant" status, mark my words.

[superstaff]

Chicks are always all about being "the dominant species"... until someone needs a spider killed or something heavy hauled up a flight of stairs.

Which is why when society inevitably collapses and the survivors are forced to start over as best they can, "the patriarchy" will reestablish itself. There will be SO much bug-killing and heavy lifting going on that the women will be rushing to go back to "barefoot and pregnant" status, mark my words.

Hey, I'm lady enough to know that I can't...and won't always want to kill bugs or open pickle jars.

On a serious note, I just believe people should stop boxing each other into categories, and start respecting each other's strengths and weaknesses as individuals. I know I'm the only one who believes that, though. It's the dippy hippie in me. Men and women alike tell me to "STFU and Die" and how much of a worthless sack of crap I am, so I am living the truly equal life, baby.

[CyberCubed]

Natalie Portman is 40 years old now. She's basically, "over the hill" now.

[Leo656]

Would still smash. But I'd be scared of injuring myself on her bony cervix.

[Andrew NDB]

Also, Waititi is a total wokester so if there's NO stuff in the movie about "chicks rule and boys drool" I'd be shocked. And didn't they already say that the black chick from the previous movie is going to get more space to explore her bisexuality in this one? Could've sworn I heard that somewhere, like that was a bullet point.

Well, didn't the end of Endgame have her saying something about her seeking her queen? So, there you have it.

[Sumac]

I wonder, if Mouse still sucks China's dick and won't let Valkyrie to have a make out session with another woman, because of it?

[ZariusTwo]

68% on RT. Ouch

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/07/05/thor-love-and-thunder-review-scores-are-surprisingly-low-compared-to-ragnarok/?sh=38deccd32fb8

[Sumac]

Taika couldn't get into the same river twice?

[Andrew NDB]

"It makes Thor into a joke the whole movie" seems to be a trend. And the Natalie Portman Thor is barely in it?

[TigerClaw]

68% on RT. Ouch

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/07/05/thor-love-and-thunder-review-scores-are-surprisingly-low-compared-to-ragnarok/?sh=38deccd32fb8
Its 71% now.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/thor_love_and_thunder

[CyberCubed]

I guess this isn't looking too good, the rule of thumb is the reviews are inflated a bit too so this is probably more like 60%. I guess it can't be as bad as Thor 2 but this looks like a misfire.

Almost all the recent MCU movies have been fairly below average besides Spider-Man. I just saw Doctor Strange 2 recently and making Wanda into a full villain just undid anything the Wanda Vision show did, and the rest of the movie was just average.

[Andrew NDB]

Sounds like the end credits stuff is just garbage:

https://bgr.com/entertainment/thor-love-and-thunders-shocking-post-credits-scene-cameo-just-leaked/

[Coola Yagami]

Kinda sounds like lately the newer MCU movies and shows are sucking fat ***** but all the shills are and plants are like BEST MOVIE EVAR

[Sumac]

I feel like they've exhausted their creativity and talent after Endgame and now just aimlessly stumble around, hoping to strike the same energy as in the first three phases.

They only hope is return back to the focused narrative with a main villain at the helm and clear endgame for the phases, otherwise they ****ed up.

[Coola Yagami]

I feel like they've exhausted their creativity and talent after Endgame and now just aimlessly stumble around, hoping to strike the same energy as in the first three phases.

They only hope is return back to the focused narrative with a main villain at the helm and clear endgame for the phases, otherwise they ****ed up.

I guess that's the plan with Kang the Conqueror but that doesn't excuse 2-3 waste-of-time filler movies. Say what you will of the first 3 phases, EVERY movie had a roll to play in the grand scheme of things.

[Sumac]

I guess that's the plan with Kang the Conqueror but that doesn't excuse 2-3 waste-of-time filler movies. Say what you will of the first 3 phases, EVERY movie had a roll to play in the grand scheme of things.
Indeed.
And I have no idea who the heck Kang is. And I had some vague idea about Thanos.

[Andrew NDB]

I feel like they've exhausted their creativity and talent after Endgame and now just aimlessly stumble around, hoping to strike the same energy as in the first three phases.

I don't know if it's quite that. The atmosphere at Marvel up until or a big before Endgame was like minds and free-flowing ideas towards a general idea (fight Thanos). Since around Captain Marvel and Endgame, I suspect Disney is creating boardroom/focus groups to pretty much ground things into nothingness.

[CyberCubed]

Kinda sounds like lately the newer MCU movies and shows are sucking fat ***** but all the shills are and plants are like BEST MOVIE EVAR

I don't see that, most of the recent movies have gotten a meh reception from fans not counting Spider-man which is more of its own thing

[Sumac]

I don't know if it's quite that. The atmosphere at Marvel up until or a big before Endgame was like minds and free-flowing ideas towards a general idea (fight Thanos). Since around Captain Marvel and Endgame, I suspect Disney is creating boardroom/focus groups to pretty much ground things into nothingness.
I feel like they don't have focus at all.

[Turo602]

Their focus is very evident. The multiverse is obviously playing a huge role in whatever is coming, but they've also been taking their time repositioning each and every player after Endgame before they blow their load with the next major threat.

I see it as phase one all over again, except instead of solo films, we're getting movies and shows with lots of character crossover now that the universe is fully established. It definitely doesn't feel directionless, but it has been quite a slow burn of set up after set up with the payoff still in the distance which I can understand with just how much ground there is to cover with the MCU being as expansive as it is now. It just wouldn't make sense to have 4-5 solo films and then a big Avengers movie anymore.

Oh, and an all female Avengers movie is definitely happening. So look forward to that since that's clearly been one of their major focuses too.

[Andrew NDB]

Giving the timing of Fantastic Four coming out, odds are pretty good it'll be something with Dr. Doom and Galactus coming up. Also, bringing in the X-Men with a "Avengers vs. X-Men" movie would make a lot of sense.

Yet for all the things they could be doing, years and years pass and nothing really happens. We just got "Multiverse of Madness" which featured a grand total of like 2 universes, barely, and now Thor 4 which is apparently just a do-nothing goof-fest.

[CyberCubed]

I mean with all the original actors aging out of it and most being written off (Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye), etc. it was to be expected. I don't think the guy who plays Hulk is going to be around much longer either, he's getting up there in the years.

People forget most of these other movies are now focusing on C-tier superheroes, hell a decade ago Iron Man was C-tier, and now we're at the next wave of C-tier, but they're not going to catch on as much.

Your average person doesn't care about Shang Chi, The Eternals, Jane Thor, a Black Panther movie without the male Black Panther (granted they had no choice here), or Ant-Man and the Wasp, etc.

Thor looks to be on his last legs too, I know he's going to be in Guardians 3 apparently but I don't know how much longer.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think the guy who plays Hulk is going to be around much longer either, he's getting up there in the years.

A little bit of hair color could go a long way, so it must be they want Bruce Banner to look old. As for recasting, I'd have no problem losing Ruffalo. And they've recast him before.

[Coola Yagami]

It's too late for X-Men VS Avengers, especially since people would have wanted to see the actual Avengers, not the woke knockoffs going toe to toe with the X-Men. Just like people would have rather had Iron Man himself face the Mandarin, not Shang No-Name. And Eternals might have just never happened.

[IMJ]

Mark my words, Downey is coming back as Iron Man in whatever Avengers flick uses Kang as the villain. And they will do a modified version of "The Crossing" which is widely accepted as the most hated Iron Man story of all-time amongst the fandom.

[Coola Yagami]

Mark my words, Downey is coming back as Iron Man in whatever Avengers flick uses Kang as the villain. And they will do a modified version of "The Crossing" which is widely accepted as the most hated Iron Man story of all-time amongst the fandom.

Is that one with the clone of his younger self or something like that?

[IMJ]

Is that one with the clone of his younger self or something like that?


Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh. :roll:

I don't think there will be a teen clone or anything, but there will be 'evil Iron Man' grasped from time to serve Kang. In the end he'll betray Kang to be a hero and die all over again as a big encore for Downey. And it will all be supreme bull $#!(.

[Leo656]

Going by the reviews, what I'm taking away is that people might finally be "waking up with a hangover" after the MCU's constant hokey-jokiness for a decade straight.

In theory, it seems like this one should be just as acclaimed as "Ragnarok", if not more so, because all I keep reading about is how this one is even more goofy than the last one, and that's what everyone raved about last time. "FINALLY, a super-hero movie that leans into just how DUMB super-heroes are! Isn't that great?!" Obviously, not everyone shares that opinion, but those who do were entertained, I guess. But the problem with establishing your entire identity as "Just be silly" is that eventually, you run out of road, and also, people eventually wake up in a mood where they want something altogether different. We've seen tons of movies over the years become either more or less acclaimed as people revisited them years later, showing that so much of what makes a movie's success (or failure) is the "cultural temperature", or what mood everyone was in at the time.

So in reading the reviews of this new one, it feels like people might be just sort of getting over all the "meta" humor and the "Look who we paid a fortune for an insipid one-joke cameo!" stuff and looking for something a bit less in love with itself for its wit, and something with more substance.

OR maybe people are collectively just not as enthused about the MCU anymore since they've been aimless post-Thanos. Yeah, it's clear that "The Multiverse" is "the next big plan" but it actually doesn't seem like they laid it out in advance and are just booking it on the fly. They did that with Thanos, too, but it still seemed like there was more of a grand design of sorts in place than with the newer movies, where it mostly seems like everybody is just winging it, doing whatever they want with "The Multiverse" as some kind of vague linking device.

Also, on a personal level, the fact that a movie I'll never see has so much Guns N Roses on the soundtrack shows once again how the entire universe is mocking me constantly.:lol:

[Coola Yagami]

Going by the reviews, what I'm taking away is that people might finally be "waking up with a hangover" after the MCU's constant hokey-jokiness for a decade straight.

In theory, it seems like this one should be just as acclaimed as "Ragnarok", if not more so, because all I keep reading about is how this one is even more goofy than the last one, and that's what everyone raved about last time. "FINALLY, a super-hero movie that leans into just how DUMB super-heroes are! Isn't that great?!" Obviously, not everyone shares that opinion, but those who do were entertained, I guess. But the problem with establishing your entire identity as "Just be silly" is that eventually, you run out of road, and also, people eventually wake up in a mood where they want something altogether different. We've seen tons of movies over the years become either more or less acclaimed as people revisited them years later, showing that so much of what makes a movie's success (or failure) is the "cultural temperature", or what mood everyone was in at the time.

So in reading the reviews of this new one, it feels like people might be just sort of getting over all the "meta" humor and the "Look who we paid a fortune for an insipid one-joke cameo!" stuff and looking for something a bit less in love with itself for its wit, and something with more substance.

OR maybe people are collectively just not as enthused about the MCU anymore since they've been aimless post-Thanos. Yeah, it's clear that "The Multiverse" is "the next big plan" but it actually doesn't seem like they laid it out in advance and are just booking it on the fly. They did that with Thanos, too, but it still seemed like there was more of a grand design of sorts in place than with the newer movies, where it mostly seems like everybody is just winging it, doing whatever they want with "The Multiverse" as some kind of vague linking device.

Also, on a personal level, the fact that a movie I'll never see has so much Guns N Roses on the soundtrack shows once again how the entire universe is mocking me constantly.:lol:

Yeah I've been hearing a lot of 'Ragnarok was funny, this one is just too much' kinds of comments.

[Leo656]

I mean, I'll never know. the odds of me sitting through either one without being physically restrained with my eyes forced open Clockwork Orange-style is practically Zero. They lost me forever when they took the most "Shakespearian" Marvel character and turned him into a Dudebro meathead. Just the complete opposite of what "should" have been done with that particular character.

But it does generally seem like people are no longer really in the mood for That Kind of Comic Book Movie. So much of the MCU - and its fans - in 2017 were about reacting to the DCEU, specifically what the DC stuff did which didn't catch on with the mainstream. "You guys want jokes, memes, and bright colors? Well BOY do we got 'em!" Stuff like "Ragnarok" got the reaction it did, to a point, because it was designed as a giant rebuttal to the more self-serious comic book movies.

But now there ARE no "self-serious comic book movies" and thus there's nothing to refute. So I think it may be becoming a bit tiresome in a vacuum, for some people.

[IMJ]

The first Iron Man was terrific because it was a solid superhero story that took itself seriously but punctuated the story here and there with light-hearted interactions or banter.

But for some time now, when a Marvel flick goes "light", they do it by nearly becoming a parody of themselves. The Marvel flicks are drifting - badly. Too many deviations from the source material now, too many mismatched story opportunities, and if it's not too much into Slapstick nonsense then it's too far into the social-justice message.

We literally need Iron Man to come back with a solid flick and save the MCU. Again. Almost nothing about the MCU is truly appealing anymore or worth delivering money to for a viewing. I didn't even see Dr. Strange at the theater, but after finally seeing that nothing-burger of a movie at home I'm glad that I didn't.

[Andrew NDB]

Mark my words, Downey is coming back as Iron Man in whatever Avengers flick uses Kang as the villain. And they will do a modified version of "The Crossing" which is widely accepted as the most hated Iron Man story of all-time amongst the fandom.

I could definitely see a Downey reveal as "Evil Iron Man" in an after the credits thing in some movie being a thing.

[AquaParade]

I've been so disenchanted by the MCU lately. Hate to sound like I'm hopping on the bandwagon but even No Way Home left me lukewarm, and that's the clear fsvorite so far in phase 4.

I did think Wandavision was good. That and Endgame were the last two I could watch without my eyes constantly glazing over. No Way Home, again, was okay.
Everything else, I can easily live without.

I've never been all-in on the MCU. There are still a handful of the movies that I haven't seen. But I do love a good amount of them, mostly those of which were directed by the Russo's.
So at this point, I'm basically just waiting for them to come back. Unless something truly stirs up the pot, I won't be hitting the theater for an MCU movie until they return.

Wakanda has a chance of getting me in there, but I've been too deflated to hold my breath for that to happen.

[Andrew NDB]

Phase 4:

* Wandavision : Really good. The back part of the show was definitely harmed by the pandemic making for a jarring and not very satisfying ending, but good.

* Black Widow : Forgettable and not really about anything. I guess it just exists to give us female Taskmaster and Yelena?

* Falcon & The Winter Soldier : A pretty decent first half but then they used their year break due to the pandemic for evil and came back with a full-on woke/SJW ending. Lame.

* Loki : Honestly pretty solid all the way through.

* Shang-Chi : Moderately entertaining but hardly memorable.

* What If...? : Meh. Fun little bite-sized nothings.

* Eternals : Not moderately entertaining and also hardly memorable.

* Hawkeye : Campy goofy nonsense. And it's barely even about Hawkeye. Also thanks for bringing back my favorite MCU villain (Kingpin) and immediately ruining him out of the gate.

* Moon Knight : Decently acted and cast but... what was the point of this, exactly? It seemed like it only exists so that it could bring us "the first Egyptian female superhero" or whatever, that the last couple of episodes make such a big deal about (that lady's whole part could have been cut out of the show without losing any of the main plot). Barely any Moon Knight in it. Not memorable.

* Ms. Marvel : Looks like garbage. Haven't seen. The wife won't watch it with me.

* Doctor Strange 2 : Supremely disappointing in terms of expectations vs. reality. Nothing happened in the movie. The only gain from it is the introduction of Multiverse Girl with the two moms, nothing else. Dr. Strange himself didn't even have an arc. And as a continuation of Wandavision this SUCKED. Vision is not so much as even mentioned.

* Thor 4 : May see it tonight. I expect it to be trash that doubles down on everything I hated about Ragnarok and looks at the audience with like a snarky SJW grin.

So yeah. Phase 4 is pretty much "We're just gonna do whatever because whatever" to largely meh results. So far.

[IMJ]

Hate to sound like I'm hopping on the bandwagon

:teek: :roll:

:lol:

Don't worry Aqua, you aren't at risk of sounding like you aren't your own man. 8)

[Sumac]

Even SJW consumers are lukewarm on this movie and for the same reason as people here - inappropriate humor, inconsistent tone and too much stuff thrown in, just to be there.

Good. I like MCU in general, but they didn't see any challenge and basically were riding waves after Endgame, thinking that anything they produce would be a super giant mehahit. Now its time to pay price and either get back on track or share the fame of X-Men movie verse, which had like 3 decent movies for dozen of crappy ones.

Their focus is very evident. The multiverse is obviously playing a huge role in whatever is coming, but they've also been taking their time repositioning each and every player after Endgame before they blow their load with the next major threat.
It is too...general for a focus.
There is no clear threat or any clear goal at all.

Like we know, that Marvel ultimate endgame here is to bring X-Men into the MCU somehow, as well, as Doom and Galactus. But so far in-universe they are no hints of it - it is just, yeah, multiverse exist, I mean Endgame spelt it outright, than what?

So far it is Chekhov's gun which is still hanging on a wall.

[CyberCubed]

It's a shame Black Panther 2 will be ruined because Chadwick died in real life so this will likely be a miss too.

Guardians 3 will hopefully be good. But they could go full parody with it and make it too goofy.

Ant-Man and the Wasp will probably be meh like the first two Ant Man movies.

Captain Marvel 2 is bound to not be great.


What else is coming? Pretty sure even a Fantastic Four movie isn't even confirmed yet.

[Andrew NDB]

It's a shame Black Panther 2 will be ruined because Chadwick died in real life so this will likely be a miss too.

They're going to ruin Black Panther 2 all on their own.

What else is coming? Pretty sure even a Fantastic Four movie isn't even confirmed yet.

It was confirmed 3 years ago.

[AquaParade]

Even SJW consumers are lukewarm on this movie and for the same reason as people here - inappropriate humor, inconsistent tone and too much stuff thrown in, just to be there.

Good. I like MCU in general, but they didn't see any challenge and basically were riding waves after Endgame, thinking that anything they produce would be a super giant mehahit. Now its time to pay price and either get back on track or share the fame of X-Men movie verse, which had like 3 decent movies for dozen of crappy ones.


This is how I feel 100%

This is sort of a good time for the MCU to be kept in check. Don't let that Endgame money get to your head. Don't use it to cram a bunch of crap down our throat, or we will slowly back away into a bush.

Speaking again of phase 4, Moon Knight has probably been my biggest disappointment. The acting was pretty great, but the premise and tone was not at all what I expected from Moon Knight. Like Andrew said, it just seemed like an excuse to bring in other elements.

With Black Panther 2, you would hardly be blamed for thinking Marvel is like "Great, now we don't need to find an excuse to shove Chadwick aside. We aren't going to blow this opportunity by re-casting the character, we just got a free-pass to 'Black Pantherina'."

:teek: :roll:

:lol:

Don't worry Aqua, you aren't at risk of sounding like you aren't your own man. 8)

The Batman was so good.

[CyberCubed]

So the only other movie coming by the end of this year is Black Panther 2. Next year is Ant-Man 3 and then Guardians 3...

Looks like it's just another slate of average/meh movies coming with the only exception possibly being Guardians of the Galaxy 3 if that one turns out really good and that's not till summer 2023 next year. So the last 2 years have been meh besides Spider-Man and that's pretty much its own thing.

[Turo602]

So I just saw it and I thought it was better than Ragnarok, which isn't saying much to be honest because Ragnarok was trash. It's truly a shame though because both Ragnarok and Love and Thunder have all the right elements for some genuinely amazing Thor movies.

The 80s sci-fi and rock music motifs, I can't quite put into words, but honestly just works for that world and character. Hela and Gorr were also just really great scene stealing villains and the Planet Hulk and Jane Thor arcs are just far more interesting stories than what we had in the first 2 movies.

But then some asshole took the scripts and just said "wouldn't it be funny if" to every scene and turned it all into a big f*cking joke. To Love and Thunder's credit though, the movie ended up taking itself seriously for a large chunk of the film towards the end, which is when I started enjoying it. But before all that, it really was just joke after joke with no reaction from the audience that even the genuine bits of humor felt undercut by just how "funny" the film kept trying to be.

I didn't even understand why the Guardians of the Galaxy were in the movie either as they disappeared pretty quickly after the beginning of the film. It makes the entire set up from Endgame feel pointless since their team up was glossed over even though it could have been an entire film itself focusing on Thor's self discovery.

As for Jane Thor, I didn't care for the character taking the mantle in the comics along with all the other woke creations that happened around the same time, so I didn't think I'd care much about her here, especially since it just seemed like it was their way of inserting yet another female superhero into The Avengers. But with Thor himself still around, Jane having an actual arc, and the focus being more on them being in love than look at how great she is was something I could actually get behind.

There was also this really amazing black and white fight scene that I thought was easily one of the coolest in the MCU and the kind of creativity that I would like to see more of from Taika Waititi instead of all his stupid jokes.

[AquaParade]

The MCU is too reigned in for this, but I think a Thor film by George Miller could be absolutely awesome.

[Andrew NDB]

Saw it. Yeah, that was pretty goofy and almost all of the characters recite the same kind of "witty" dialogue throughout everything. That pretty much killed taking seriously any of what was going on emotionally near/at the end. I actually liked it better than I thought I would but pretty much it's a doubling down on everything I didn't like about "Ragnarok." Hemsworth's Thor is now basically just the vacuous "character" he was playing in "Ghostbusters" (2016) full-time, instead of only part of the time as in "Ragnarok."

I did like what Russell Crowe did with Zeus. I thought his part would be corny and dumb but he made it work. He seemed to be having more fun than in anything I've seen him in in many years. Bale was good, maybe playing the best Thor villain yet, though that's not saying much.

"King Valkyrie" just seems to exist in it to tell us over and over again about her ex girlfriends. Then she leaves before the final battle and doesn't have any sort of arc. Lady Sif is barely a cameo, criminally.

[CyberCubed]

So the humor is basically like Guardians 2 and Thor 3? I mean I thought it was ok in Guardians but it started to get annoying when you couldn't go 2 minutes without another joke.

It makes these movies feel more like a parody than anything else.

[superstaff]

Kek.

I find it hilarious that people here are complaining about Thor 4 since I talked about the decline of the MCU in a previous post, and pissed people off who were like, "whatchu talkin' bout, stupidstaff!?".

What I'm seeing now is people going, "well, comic book movies need to be 100% serious, dark, and edgy just like the comics!!!". :roll: I think it's obvious people don't read comics because, like, there's humor in comics, and there's comics that are comedic in nature too. Yes, they exist. I'll name some if 'proof' is required.

The problem isn't that there's any comedy even if people want to now scapegoat that as the sole problem of the MCU. No, it's a lot of stuff, mostly poor writing. The problem with Thor 4, as far as I've read since I haven't actually seen it, is that it goes hard on humor without much else going on. The tone is inconsistent since it goes all in on poorly implemented humor then suddenly shifts gears at the end when 'it's supposed to be serious'. You can't do that. That's like if National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation ended with a somber scene of Clark finding out he has terminal cancer, and everyone holds hands and prays for him as the movie fades to black.

The humor itself is just easy, and cheap. Kinda funny that , even now, people claim No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness had none of this when they even cracked jokes right before and right after serious scenes. Again, the problem isn't the humor in and of itself. It's the way it's implemented constantly, and much of the humor is basically "look how dumb this movie is, and look how dumb you are, audience".

And since the focus of these movies is mostly on trying to make the audience laugh, it does little for the characters involved. Thus why there isn't much character arcs, or they feel half baked. A lot of the time, the recent MCU movies rush through content rather than build on them. It feels forced, and shoe horned in, not organic.

There's wasted potential. Lots of it. Worthless cameos. 'Building up' to nothing. People, even here, tell me that the goal of Phase 4 is "the multiverse, you ignorant swine". Okay, let's say this is true. The goal is the multiverse. Okay, and? What are they doing with the multiverse? No, really. Even in No Way Home, Tobey and Andrew's Peters just leave, and likely forget everything that happened, or even if they don't, we don't see any sort of change in them as a result of their adventure in another universe. In Multiverse of Madness, Strange visits, like, two dimensions, and Wanda just kills off all the characters from another universe without any of it amounting to anything significant. There's a lot of cool things they can build up for other universes, and allude to them. They just don't. Because it's just pointless fanservice.

I'm probably wasting my time explaining this because when I point this stuff out, people just tell me I am an idiot, and to shut up. Only to later on end up agreeing with what I said originally (well, sort of). Fandom's just as inconsistent and lazy as the MCU. :lol:

[AquaParade]

People who don't read comics love to reference the comics as a source of truth. It's just a way to gain the intellectual higher ground. Usually these people just assume no one else reads comics either, so they can pull whatever they want out of their ass, because they read it in a comic once, 20 years ago.

As someone who does read the comics and realizes how diverse they are, it does get old hearing false claims of "this isn't like the comics!"
Most of y'all haven't touched a comic in 20 years, don't wanna hear it.

[Andrew NDB]

There's wasted potential. Lots of it. Worthless cameos. 'Building up' to nothing. People, even here, tell me that the goal of Phase 4 is "the multiverse, you ignorant swine". Okay, let's say this is true. The goal is the multiverse. Okay, and? What are they doing with the multiverse? No, really. Even in No Way Home, Tobey and Andrew's Peters just leave, and likely forget everything that happened, or even if they don't, we don't see any sort of change in them as a result of their adventure in another universe. In Multiverse of Madness, Strange visits, like, two dimensions, and Wanda just kills off all the characters from another universe without any of it amounting to anything significant. There's a lot of cool things they can build up for other universes, and allude to them. They just don't. Because it's just pointless fanservice.

I thought for sure "Multiverse of Madness" would be so many things. It'd surely tidy up the aftermath of "No Way Home," maybe solidifying where Goblin, Ock, etc., end up, maybe setting the stage for an MCU with an Oscorp, etc., or at LEAST merge up or make clear the Venom/Morbius/MCU/Sony situation. If not the new MCU X-Men, then surely Dr. Strange would encounter the Fox-Men, and there'd be a scene with Chris Evans' Johnny Storm and Chris Evans' Captain America.

Turns out Multiverse of Madness was about nothing. Just giving us Captain Two Moms.

[AquaParade]

I just want these movies to feel like movies again. Infinity War and Endgame leaned hard into the cartoon-aspect, but it worked for me there. They were the biggest MCU Blockbusters you could ask for.

But other than that, I'd love to get back to some practical effects and maybe just one story that doesn't have some purple-glowing orb/magic/crap.

I guess Black Widow could have filled that void, but it didn't feel as grounded as it looked from the outside, what with Natasha falling from buildings like it ain't no thing and whatnot.
And hey, Falcon & Winter Soldier tried to go there to, but Idk, I guess it didn't execute well enough.

It'd be nice to get something akin to Winter Soldier again. I don't think that the best MCU movie, but I really appreciate the tone and atmosphere they struck. It felt a bit more tangible.

[Sumac]

This is sort of a good time for the MCU to be kept in check. Don't let that Endgame money get to your head. Don't use it to cram a bunch of crap down our throat, or we will slowly back away into a bush.
I am afraid it is too late for that.

I don't care largely whether effects are "real" or CGI - at this point it barely noticeable and aside from claiming "we made a miniature" or we made a puppet" there is a little reason to utilize those techniques. And you can made grounded movie with CGI, it just needs a lot of creativity and a good story.

[Andrew NDB]

The big problem, I think, is that there's nothing to look forward to. The Disney+ shows are fine, but never amazing. What's left? Quantumania, I guess, with Kang the Conqueror making his big debut? Though will this really be the big Kang the Conqueror movie or will it just be his introduction? It's hard to believe he'd show up and be defeated in Ant-Man 3. Fantastic 4? Maybe, but we don't know anything about it and none of the latest Marvel movies have set anything up (unless the death of Earth's celestial is a trigger for the events in it). So nothing to get excited about. The Marvels? Hahahahahahaahahah! Captain America 4? Yeah, can't wait to hear Falcon fighting systemic racism and giving speeches on it. X-Men is nowhere in sight because they're probably still arguing in boardroom meetings about whether or not the name "X-Men" is problematic.

The only thing kind of exciting is the Secret Wars series on Disney+.

[superstaff]

I am afraid it is too late for that.


Yep, it's too late.

It's really no different than people clinging to hope that the DCEU can be 'fixed' at this point. Simply, it's too late to go back. The executives dipped their filthy hands into the creative process far too much, and for far too long now. The fans, for the most part, either don't hate it enough or love the MCU as is currently.

I mean, look in this thread, people who didn't even think they'd like it still felt compelled to go to a theater, pay for this dreck, and watch it while stuffing popcorn in their mouths. That's the power of branding, and corporate manipulation, babeh. It's no different than current Star Wars.

The suits are getting their paychecks. That's all that matter. They can make a movie with Chris Hemsworth taking a dump on screen for two hours, and it'll break even at minimum. I don't expect Thor 4 to flop, especially not internationally. It'll make bank, and the militant fans will insult you by insinuating you aren't fun at parties.

[CyberCubed]

Well it has been nearly 20 years, it's ok if the MCU ends at some point. Then they can wait another decade and reboot it for a new generation.

[AquaParade]

I am afraid it is too late for that.

Perhaps. The MCU doesn't react to the whim of the audience to the same degree that WB does, but if the box office numbers slip, they will have to identify why and try to rectify it.

I don't care largely whether effects are "real" or CGI - at this point it barely noticeable and aside from claiming "we made a miniature" or we made a puppet" there is a little reason to utilize those techniques. And you can made grounded movie with CGI, it just needs a lot of creativity and a good story.

I think it makes a big difference to have practical effects vs cgi. And it doesn't just have to be miniatures.

It can simply mean filming in real locations, or at least real-life sets, rather than relying solely on the "Volume" technology that dominates Thor 4, as well as green screen after green screen. Make no mistake - it is noticeable.

And we can see how Iron Man's armor began to look less real as the franchise went on, because they started fully utilizing cgi instead of practical effects.

I just can't agree with that. Especially when you look at how rushed Marvel's CGI is. Black Panther's ending is a great example.
Then there is Spider-Man's suit, which doesn't even look like actual fabric, because they want to iron it out with cgi.

If you're not bothered by it, then more power to you, but I'd disagree that it makes no difference.

Yep, it's too late.

It's really no different than people clinging to hope that the DCEU can be 'fixed' at this point. Simply, it's too late to go back. The executives dipped their filthy hands into the creative process far too much, and for far too long now. The fans, for the most part, either don't hate it enough or love the MCU as is currently.

I mean, look in this thread, people who didn't even think they'd like it still felt compelled to go to a theater, pay for this dreck, and watch it while stuffing popcorn in their mouths. That's the power of branding, and corporate manipulation, babeh. It's no different than current Star Wars.

The suits are getting their paychecks. That's all that matter. They can make a movie with Chris Hemsworth taking a dump on screen for two hours, and it'll break even at minimum. I don't expect Thor 4 to flop, especially not internationally. It'll make bank, and the militant fans will insult you by insinuating you aren't fun at parties.

Lol, that's a good point.

The big problem, I think, is that there's nothing to look forward to. The Disney+ shows are fine, but never amazing. What's left? Quantumania, I guess, with Kang the Conqueror making his big debut? Though will this really be the big Kang the Conqueror movie or will it just be his introduction? It's hard to believe he'd show up and be defeated in Ant-Man 3. Fantastic 4? Maybe, but we don't know anything about it and none of the latest Marvel movies have set anything up (unless the death of Earth's celestial is a trigger for the events in it). So nothing to get excited about. The Marvels? Hahahahahahaahahah! Captain America 4? Yeah, can't wait to hear Falcon fighting systemic racism and giving speeches on it. X-Men is nowhere in sight because they're probably still arguing in boardroom meetings about whether or not the name "X-Men" is problematic.

The only thing kind of exciting is the Secret Wars series on Disney+.

I'm sure you're not alone in that, but it's not my problem, personally. I don't need something to look forward to, if they can just execute what's on their plate in front of them.

Surely they are building to something big, where a bunch of pieces will fall in place. That much I trust in.

Well it has been nearly 20 years, it's ok if the MCU ends at some point. Then they can wait another decade and reboot it for a new generation.

From a business perspective, it makes no sense to end the MCU for a very long time. It's a core part of Disney, from the merch to the theme parks. You can't just let the MCU disappear for a decade when there is this much riding on it. It has to go until the wheels fall off.

[superstaff]

Well it has been nearly 20 years, it's ok if the MCU ends at some point. Then they can wait another decade and reboot it for a new generation.

See, you're being sensible, and smart.

It's obvious that you're not a greedy studio executive. They're colorblind, and only see things in green, if you catch my drift.

Their logic being...


From a business perspective, it makes no sense to end the MCU for a very long time. It's a core part of Disney, from the merch to the theme parks. You can't just let the MCU disappear for a decade when there is this much riding on it. It has to go until the wheels fall off.

Bingo.

They have to run it right into the ground. Even when the movies begin to flop, they'll still crank out at least ten of them before finally stopping, and abruptly.

[CyberCubed]

How much screentime did Jane get as female Thor? Is she a major part of the movie? Does she get a lot of fight scenes?

[Andrew NDB]

How much screentime did Jane get as female Thor? Is she a major part of the movie? Does she get a lot of fight scenes?

I think it'd be fair to say that she's in the majority of the fight scenes. Yes, she's a major part of the movie.

The way she becomes "a Thor" is super rushed and actually happens entirely off-screen, though, which is odd.

[Sumac]

It can simply mean filming in real locations, or at least real-life sets, rather than relying solely on the "Volume" technology that dominates Thor 4, as well as green screen after green screen. Make no mistake - it is noticeable.
If its done badly, than,, yes, it is noticeable.
If its good, than no.

When it comes to modern movies, a lot of times I don't even have an idea that location is digital or that actors were not really there.

[neatoman]

Well, that was... A movie... I guess it's better than... Eternals or Black Widow, which isn't exactly saying much.

The fact that this movie starts off with a guy praying that his god will save his daughter, only to find his god dismissing him and his needs to his face in a jovial manner is quite possibly the most tone deaf introduction I've ever seen. Then the introduction to the main character proper is just so weird, it takes all the dramatic moments of the previous movies and make fun of them. And then the movie just goes on and on undercutting drama like this.

Seriously, who in their right mind fills scenes of chemotherapy with gags?

[Andrew NDB]

Seriously, who in their right mind fills scenes of chemotherapy with gags?

Probably the same guy that thinks this is funny:

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[Leo656]

Probably the same guy that thinks this is funny:

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Movie was apparently based on a rather dark and serious-toned novel called "Caging Skies". Which someone gave to Waititi to turn into a goofball comedy because...

Dude's clearly got issues. Between a pathological need to make everything be over-the-top funny every 45 seconds, as well as a rather nebulous idea about what "funny" actually is. I imagine something incredibly horrible happened to him in his past which he tries to suppress with humor. That's usually how it goes.

[superstaff]

Seriously, who in their right mind fills scenes of chemotherapy with gags?

Taika Waititi.

Most of the other recent MCU directors, too, probably.

[Leo656]

I mean, nobody should be surprised. At no point whatsoever did Waititi lie about what his intentions were.

From Wikipedia:

Four or five drafts of the screenplay had been completed by mid-April 2020, when Waititi said the sequel was "so over the top now in the very best way" and would make Ragnarok look like a "run of the mill, very safe film" by doubling down on its crazier aspects. He wanted to up the ante and make the film as if "10-year-olds told us what should be in a movie and we said yes to every single thing."

Waititi later described Love and Thunder as the craziest film he had ever made and explained that each element was intended to not make sense.


And so on. It's like Snyder from the polar opposite direction; if you hire That Guy, you pretty much know what you're gonna get before even one thing gets shot or even storyboarded. I'm only surprised that anyone is surprised. People are saying this movie is "too goofy" and "incoherent", but that's exactly what he promised.

Personally I wouldn't sit through one of the guy's movies if I had a loaded gun to my head, everything he does is pretty much Everything I Hate About Movies, but nobody can claim he misled them or falsely advertised what the movie would be. Especially if they saw the last one, and then saw when he said that this one would be even zanier or whatever. What did some people expect? Gravitas? C'mon.

[ZariusTwo]

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I always said one day that Batman and Robin would make a sizeable amount of money if made now. Love & Thunder vindicates me

[Andrew NDB]

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I always said one day that Batman and Robin would make a sizeable amount of money if made now. Love & Thunder vindicates me

It's not THAT bad. Others will disagree, of course, but I actually felt angry and cheated when I saw "The Batman." This movie, I was entertained and felt the movie was well made and constructed... but the tone and goals just didn't quite align with what I think might've worked better.

[AquaParade]

Hard to compare anything to Batman and Robin. It's sort of in that "so bad, it's good" territory. I wouldn't actually sit through all of it, but it's sort of fascinating as a bad example, artifact, nostalgia-piece, etc.

I can't imagine Thor 4 is that bad, but I'll have to see for myself. I can imagine it being less entertaining though. Sort of hard to explain.

I can say that one of the worst theater experiences I've had was Ant-Man & The Wasp. I was nearly bored to death. Can't believe I stayed until the end. Probably only second to Suicide Squad, in that regard.

But even then, there is a certain air of quality that doesn't seem present in Batman & Robin. Like it's bland, but it's competent.
Batman and Robin is a spectacle of bad, which sort of works in it's favor.

[ProphetofGanja]

Personally I wouldn't sit through one of the guy's movies if I had a loaded gun to my head, everything he does is pretty much Everything I Hate About Movies, but nobody can claim he misled them or falsely advertised what the movie would be. Especially if they saw the last one, and then saw when he said that this one would be even zanier or whatever. What did some people expect? Gravitas? C'mon.

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[neatoman]

So what are the odds of Gorr's daughter being an adult or teenager next time we see her because of alien biology and/or Eternity stuff?

And... Oh dear god, is she going to be MCU's version of Moondragon, Angela, Phyla-Vell or some other character they can't use in an unaltered form because they altered related characters/events too much for the movies, isn't she? At first I thought they made Gorr look almost entirely human because it was easier for the make-up department, but finding an excuse to make his daughter some other character might be the reason for it.

[Andrew NDB]

So what are the odds of Gorr's daughter being an adult or teenager next time we see her because of alien biology and/or Eternity stuff?.

Don't know but I'm guessing they won't recast. That's Hemsworth's actual daughter.

[Leo656]

At first I thought they made Gorr look almost entirely human because it was easier for the make-up department, but finding an excuse to make his daughter some other character might be the reason for it.

Wikipedia says it's because Gorr's comic book interpretation looks too much like Voldemort. I know nothing of the character, that's just what I saw in the article when I was cribbing it for those other quotes.

[neatoman]

Wikipedia says it's because Gorr's comic book interpretation looks too much like Voldemort. I know nothing of the character, that's just what I saw in the article when I was cribbing it for those other quotes.

Uh... OK? Not sure I've ever thought Voldemort looks like Jabba's slave girls with a shark face but maybe if I squint he does?

[Leo656]

To a Hollywood casting director/visual designer who doesn't read comic books and can only understand references to things from other movies, it probably looks identical.

Jojo Rabbit may surprise you

I'd be surprised if I was ever bored enough to find out. That 5-minute video was exhausting by itself. Pretty sure I'm good.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I think it might surprise me. But not in the way he thinks.

[Leo656]

I mean it's not like I'm COMPLETELY above Dumb Bullsh*t. I'm on-record as being a pretty big fan of Family Guy, for example, which is absolutely Dumb Bullsh*t. But I'm already covered on my Dumb Bullsh*t Quota by that show, I don't really need that type of thing elsewhere in my entertainment. Definitely not in movies, which I hold to a higher standard of expectation than TV shows.

Movie just comes off like an extended Family Guy skit. Like that long, drawn-out bit where everybody is "Heil Hitler!"-ing each other for two whole minutes, that's exactly a Family Guy type of joke, they've done almost the exact same thing in different context. Dragging out something absurd to the point where it becomes stupid, then dragging it out even further to where it becomes kinda funny again just because it's SO stupid and never-ending... it's like Seth wrote that bit.

For whatever reason I'm just more tolerable of that kind of thing in small doses. I don't doubt that the movie has funny bits but I'm pretty sure that by the halfway mark I'd be impatient for it to just end.

It's just, I know my own taste, y'know? And after I got talked into watching Chickbusters and Transformers 3 (and 4!), I just don't "take a chance" on things anymore. If my gut tells me I'm gonna hate something, I find it's best to trust that instinct. The clips video only made me even chuckle once, when ScarJo said "Someone get this kid a gun", or whatever it was.

If other people like it though, that's fine, I can actually see why it would hit with some people, it's just not really my humor. I like to laugh, I just don't really like "comedy" movies much. Although I appreciate their attempt at "black humor" by making an entire comedy film about a premise that on paper shouldn't be funny at all. That's admirable. I do respect that they had the balls to do that.

I mean, I'unno, it does look kinda Monty Python-ish, so it's not entirely out of my wheelhouse (although I'm very picky on Python, too). Never say never, if my wife ever insists on watching it then I'd have to, but I don't think she cares. I remember we saw the trailer in theaters and she thought it looked dumb. She's way more forgiving than I am, though, so you never know.

I will say that it's probably the Waititi movie I'd be most likely to actually sit through, just based on things I've read. As I said, I kind of admire that he wanted to make a screwball buddy comedy about a kid who imagines he talks to Hitler. So there's a curiosity there. Just not really enough as of right now to actually get me to sit and watch it.

[neatoman]

Another thing that struck me was that Stormbreaker has been in three movies so far there has yet to be a single mention of Beta Ray Bill.

[Andrew NDB]

Another thing that struck me was that Stormbreaker has been in three movies so far there has yet to be a single mention of Beta Ray Bill.

There was that nod to him in Ragnarok. I thought for sure if Taika got to do another Thor movie that would be his guy. Beta Ray Bill would seem like exactly what he'd want to make a movie about or featuring.

[AquaParade]

Endgame wasn’t perfect, but it’s really good compared to what’s coming out from the MCU lately. I just rewatched for the first time in a couple years.

Sort of refreshing to go back to that level of quality. At least imo.

Russos aren’t the only ones who can do it…but so far, they sort of have been. Favreau and Whedon have done some good too, but only these guys have a track record of four solid MCU films. Definitely hope they’re back asap.

[superstaff]

Endgame wasn’t perfect, but it’s really good compared to what’s coming out from the MCU lately.

I guess if you compare it to Thor 4, then sure? I thought Endgame was pretty bad, and an unsatisfying ending to the OG Avengers. I'll elaborate further if anyone cares. I feel the last really good MCU movie was Infinity War, and probably Spider-Man Homecoming before that (oh, as I was writing this, I realized I enjoyed Shang-Chi, but meh, I think I'd rather just pretend the MCU has become irredeemably bad after IW or whatever).

I don't think the executives in charge care. They're getting their pile of cash. Thor 4 had the fifth highest opener in MCU history. Expect more 'quality' movies since people shell out for this junk no matter what, and that's what matters. lol, people get so pissed off when I say this, and I'm sure some panties are being twisted into a bunch here. But the truth hurts, don't it?

Oh, and I'm seeing people say "the MCU sucks now but at least we have the DCEU!!". Right, yes. :lol: Folks actually expect Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck to return, and for WB to suddenly become experts at comic book movie making. If it wasn't for the Ezra Miller drama, I bet there'd be even more hype for the DCEU and more specifically Flash (there's not much being said for Black Adam or Shazam 2, and Batgirl is being ignored by the nerd sect as 'not true DCEU' :lol:), and delusions that it'll be amazing even in spite of the leaks (which I fully believe are true because it's the kind of dreck you can expect from a trash ass studio like WB).

[Sumac]

I guess if you compare it to Thor 4, then sure? I thought Endgame was pretty bad, and an unsatisfying ending to the OG Avengers.
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[AquaParade]

I guess if you compare it to Thor 4, then sure? I thought Endgame was pretty bad, and an unsatisfying ending to the OG Avengers. I'll elaborate further if anyone cares. I feel the last really good MCU movie was Infinity War, and probably Spider-Man Homecoming before that (oh, as I was writing this, I realized I enjoyed Shang-Chi, but meh, I think I'd rather just pretend the MCU has become irredeemably bad after IW or whatever).

I don't think the executives in charge care. They're getting their pile of cash. Thor 4 had the fifth highest opener in MCU history. Expect more 'quality' movies since people shell out for this junk no matter what, and that's what matters. lol, people get so pissed off when I say this, and I'm sure some panties are being twisted into a bunch here. But the truth hurts, don't it?

Oh, and I'm seeing people say "the MCU sucks now but at least we have the DCEU!!". Right, yes. :lol: Folks actually expect Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck to return, and for WB to suddenly become experts at comic book movie making. If it wasn't for the Ezra Miller drama, I bet there'd be even more hype for the DCEU and more specifically Flash (there's not much being said for Black Adam or Shazam 2, and Batgirl is being ignored by the nerd sect as 'not true DCEU' :lol:), and delusions that it'll be amazing even in spite of the leaks (which I fully believe are true because it's the kind of dreck you can expect from a trash ass studio like WB).

Yes, that was the gist. :p

I don't think Endgame is perfect by any stretch. I also prefer Infinity War. Endgame took a lot of shortcuts, but they were doing something unprecedented and overall did it well.

The ease of time travel, Avengers being able to communicate, while miles apart, all willy-nilly without explanation, everyone just zapping back nice and safe...you have to overlook a lot.

But I will still take that movie over anything MCU has done since, generally speaking. Still burns that I didn't love No Way Home, but it is what it is.

[Coola Yagami]

The ease of time travel, Avengers being able to communicate, while miles apart, all willy-nilly without explanation, everyone just zapping back nice and safe...you have to overlook a lot.



Um... Black Widow?

Makes it all the most heart wrenching when they made her say something like 'be back soon' or whatever before they all headed off to different locations.

[AquaParade]

Um... Black Widow?

Makes it all the most heart wrenching when they made her say something like 'be back soon' or whatever before they all headed off to different locations.

I was referring to the “blip” and now conveniently the whole world seemed to snap back without any death. It’s nitpicking I suppose, but a lot of the little things start to add up.

[DarkFell]

Another thing that struck me was that Stormbreaker has been in three movies so far there has yet to be a single mention of Beta Ray Bill.
If the MCU does it right and follows the OG comic series, then I would love to see a Beta Ray Bill appearance.

Otherwise, Thor 4 sounds like it has a lame script in my ears.

[Galactus]

I was referring to the “blip” and now conveniently the whole world seemed to snap back without any death. It’s nitpicking I suppose, but a lot of the little things start to add up.

We don't really know if they did. We've seen a few instances in Spider-Man: Far From Home, Wandavision and Hawkeye of people being 'blipped' back into existence but it's possible that some re-materialised in dangerous places like the people that were dusted on that plane we saw in the after credit scene of Endgame. The other possibility was that Banner was able to will it that everyone came back safely after all he had some level of omniscience when he wielded the stones.

The idea of killing and the resurrecting 50% of people in the universe was such a big idea for a movie that there are bound to be nitpicks in how it was handled (the comics didn't dwell on any of this either) but for the most part the post Endgame shows and movies have done fair amount that there were consequences to Thanos' snap.

[Andrew NDB]

I was referring to the “blip” and now conveniently the whole world seemed to snap back without any death. It’s nitpicking I suppose, but a lot of the little things start to add up.

You must not have watched Falcon & The Winter Soldier. The whole series was about people displaced by the blip having no place and some becoming terrorists. And organizations founded to handle this, etc.

I kind of like how "Far From Home" handled it too, though what are the odds the entire cast were blipped?

[AquaParade]

Alright, the blip was a bad nitpick. You all bring up some good points.

There is plenty to nitpick in that film, though I do really enjoy it. One of the few films where I allow a lot of bs and can still enjoy it.

[neatoman]

Speaking of the blip, there is an Infinity Gauntlet themed restaurant or something in this movie. When I saw that, I thought to myself "Why would they dedicate anything to the thing that caused five years of hardships across the entire universe?".

[superstaff]

Alright, the blip was a bad nitpick. You all bring up some good points.


No. I don't think they do, actually. I was going to include it in my EG rant that I started writing, but have been...sidetracked from finishing.

I don't think they mined enough out of the consequences of the blip. In Far From Home, it's a very dumb joke. "lol, 50% of your classmates disappeared, and missed five years of their lives while their loved ones grew up, and moved on.............................AWKWARD LOL. EUROPEAN VACATION TIME, LOSERS!" (I'm pretty sure they actually made a dumb meta joke out of it that isn't even far off from my hyperbole above.)

In Falcon and the Winter Soldier, they don't delve into it nearly as much as you claim, Andrew. They awkwardly tried to make it about blip displacement, and racial tensions. It was one of the worst writing in that show because they just had no idea what direction they actually wanted to take with it. Basically, they don't go into the real nitty gritty of what it'd be like to actually have most people disappear for five years while the world moves on...then the people suddenly return. The 4400 (2004 series) handled that topic better, even if it also had missteps. The MCU just pretends that it gave that subject matter depth, but all it did was mine it for lame jokes, and for virtue signaling brownie points.

They don't go into any real depth over it at all, not in EG or the stuff that came after it. You're just supposed to accept it, just like you're supposed to accept all the other nonsense the MCU has tossed in like the multiverse junk that doesn't amount to any meaningful storytelling either.

[Leo656]

I remember reading about "The Blip" (or whatever it's "officially" called), and thinking, "Huh. Intriguing premise, especially upon the inevitable 'un-Blip-ing'. Wonder how that'll go."

Then I read more, turns out "Not Much" was done with it, and I says to myself, "This is exactly why I don't watch these movies." :lol: Nothing ever matters, ultimately.

I mean I know almost everybody here hates the guy, but I defy anyone to tell me that someone like Snyder wouldn't have done a TON of interesting and incredible things with the idea of half the world's population being wiped out, and then suddenly restored five years later. Everything from little things like "How would that affect their health insurance?" to big things like "What if people get 'un-Blip-ed' in an occupied space and end up fused with a lamppost or another person, or something?", he'd go into it, because he's that kind of over-thinker with that kind of mind for details. There'd probably end up being a whole side movie JUST about the Cronenberg-style body horror stuff of people getting un-Blip-ed into horrific situations. And that would be just terrific.

But it's a big problem I've always had with the Marvel movies. Interesting ideas that you KNOW won't ever be treated with the right level of verisimilitude or gravitas, Because Disney. Many things that SHOULD mean more, don't/can't, because their obligations ultimately aren't towards storytelling, but in sating the desires of young children and Soccer Mommies, and that means you can only take things so far.

I always liked comic books because you can tell Big Stories with no limitations, you can do anything you want without any mind for budget or special effects, and that's something that's only true in that one medium, nowhere else. You can blow up a city or drop an entire planet into a black hole or wipe out half the population of a planet and you can actually take time to adequately address what it would mean.

Movies and TV based on comics... you can't. You can't Go Too Big or have things mean too much, or anything at all really, because all you're really doing now, by telling your story in THAT medium, is selling toys. And if you dwell on things too deeply, well, now Little Jimmy is bored and his mom Karen is annoyed, and they're the ones who ultimately push the movies past a billion-dollar gross, so what they want is all that matters.

So yeah, I admittedly come down hardest on the Marvel stuff but ultimately I really just don't much care for movies and TV shows based on any comics, anymore. Even at their best they're just a watered-down version of stories and characters that were much deeper and much better in print. Generally, a "Cliff's Notes" version for the functionally illiterate. More and more, I just find myself re-reading the books and tuning out the adaptations entirely.

This stuff always works best in the medium it was created for, there's just no getting around that unless a person simply can't/won't read.

[AquaParade]

Yeah, I need the world to be having more of an existential crisis over this ****. If not the world, at least some of the heroes.

I think that’s part of my problem with Far From Home. On one hand, it makes sense for the MCU to lighten things up for a film after Endgame, but unfortunately it turned the whole thing into a joke and hampered Peter Parker’s development. He barely seemed to notice that he had been turned to dust for five years! Vacation?? I’d be stuck to the side of my aunt and experiencing extreme
PTSD.