"Halloween Kills" and "Halloween Ends" announced

[Andrew NDB]

To be filmed back to back. Everyone's returning, including Jamie Lee Curtis.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/horror/halloween-sequels-officially-announced-halloween-kills-in-2020-and-halloween-ends-in-2021-a169559

[newfan]

Oh, I'd read that there would be a sequel if the last one was a success, I didn't realise a trilogy was planned (if that was the original idea)
Well, I'm in, just hope they aren't too rushed though.

[Andrew NDB]

I actually really liked the last one, and I hate all the Halloween movies except maybe "Resurrection," which was funny at least.

[newfan]

I remember not being sure in the start but by the end I did like it and was interested to see where they would go in a sequel, given how the former sequels were a little all over the place. I wonder what the story for him will be, so far as the supernatural element I mean. If they explain it. It took a while before they approached it previously, seen as he kept not dying and was very strong.

[The Deadman]

Im hyped but the titles are pretty bad.

[Sumac]

Will it be reboot of the remake of the sequel of the rebooted sequel, which is remake of the reboot of the sequel of the remake?

[Coola Yagami]

Will it be reboot of the remake of the sequel of the rebooted sequel, which is remake of the reboot of the sequel of the remake?

Yes.



Diez Characteres.

[AT-Man]

Michael Myers will return in: Halloween Kills & Halloween Kills Again... In Space!

[DarkFell]

^ I wonder if he'll also 'meet' up with the Pigs in Space.

And oh goody.. Michael Myers survived another thing. I figured that he would be back on the big screen.

[Skinrash]

They had the chance to end on a high note with H20, but the greed got to them and they kept adding more subpar films to the franchise. I hope it's not just greed driving the new people in charge this time. Those titles sound pretty b-movie-ish though. Did they get the people behind the "Machete" sequels to come up with them?

[Andrew NDB]

Saw Halloween Kills. Good. Almost as good as the last one from 2018, which I REALLY enjoyed.

This one even did some tricks to "save" some footage from the original H2.

[The Deadman]

Ill check it out once I re-binge everything previously lol.

[Andrew NDB]

Ill check it out once I re-binge everything previously lol.

You don't need to rebinge much. Just the original Halloween and then the 2018 Halloween. Then you're all caught up because everything else was thrown out.

[newfan]

I've re-watched some of the Halloween movies recently as the first 5 are up on Netflix (I think it's just the 5 anyway). I'm supposed to be going with my sisters to watch this one (as we did the last), just gotta sort out when.

[ssjup81]

So, when they say the third film in the trilogy is "Halloween Ends", does that mean that it will actually end this time? Yeah, I went to the theater to watch the 2018 version (just like I did H2O back in the day), but seriously...they need to find an actual conclusion to this craziness for Jamie's character. lol
Poor Laurie. She'll never be sane. ><I've re-watched some of the Halloween movies recently as the first 5 are up on Netflix (I think it's just the 5 anyway). I'm supposed to be going with my sisters to watch this one (as we did the last), just gotta sort out when.The original 1978 Halloween is on Netflix? I'd been looking for that for a while to rewatch. Definitely going to check that out.

[Andrew NDB]

The original 1978 Halloween is on Netflix? I'd been looking for that for a while to rewatch. Definitely going to check that out.

None of them are, or on Prime, last I looked. Probably just in the UK.

[joe-eyeball]

I watched it and it was good, or at least Michael was. He was a beast in this while most of the rest of the characters were very meh. The last 10 minutes were pretty epic though! Certainly can’t wait to see how they end this.

[Andrew NDB]

Certainly can’t wait to see how they end this.

They won't, of course. But the hope is that they at least definitively kill off Michael. Which is probably hoping for a lot.

[joe-eyeball]

They won't, of course. But the hope is that they at least definitively kill off Michael. Which is probably hoping for a lot.

You’re most likely correct but they definitely need to kill him off. And they better not cheapen the whole thing by killing him off only to have someone take the mantle of Michael Myers just to continue it! My guess is that’s exactly what they will do.

[TigerClaw]

You’re most likely correct but they definitely need to kill him off. And they better not cheapen the whole thing by killing him off only to have someone take the mantle of Michael Myers just to continue it! My guess is that’s exactly what they will do.
If the movies do well, you know the Studio will want to do another one.

[Leo656]

I'm honestly surprised there's not more discussion about this new one. I'm seeing a lot of pretty polar opposite opinions floating around. Some of my friends think it's awesome, others hated it.

I don't really keep up with this series, I'm just curious what some of the people here who know the series better than me have to say about it. My wife watched it without me, she liked it. But again, like me she doesn't really know the series and didn't see the last one. She mostly just likes stuff that's really graphic and violent and as long as that's there the rest matters less.

Also, this is going around. The director says the next one jumps ahead a few years and deals with the Covid pandemic. And also, "peculiar politics". Oh boy.
https://www.avclub.com/david-gordon-green-says-halloween-ends-will-deal-with-t-1847858139

I'm sure some folks here will have SOME kind of opinion on that.

Personally, knowing that it's gonna be about the pandemic makes me not wanna see that one. I'm sick of it in real life, I don't wanna see it in movies and TV. Even when South Park tackled it, it was only partly funny and mostly depressing. Especially since here we are now, still.

I'unno. Hadn't heard anyone here talk about that part yet.

[Andrew NDB]

Whoever is writing and directing this Halloween and the last one (2018)... they're no bleeding heart liberal or an SJW. If they say they're doing a post-pandemic movie with the next one, I expect them to use it in a good and unexpected way. And I hate like 80% of the Halloween movies that exist beforehand.

[Leo656]

I always think it's funny that after like two decades everybody here still forgets that you can't put an 8 and a ) next to each other. :lol: Day One Stuff, guys!

I just don't especially care to see the pandemic fictionalized, any more than I care to see movies about 9/11. You absolutely can go there, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with people liking it. I, personally, just don't get any joy out of it.

I just have no interest whatsoever - less than zero - in any movie or TV show making this whole fiasco a plot point. I'm going to be spending the rest of my life trying to forget this sh*t ever happened, I don't wanna see a movie with people wearing face masks and yelling at each other about vaccines. I don't care who's doing it or what side of the political fence they're on or what point they're making.

I support their right to do so 100%. I fully advocate for creative freedom with no restrictions, always. People can - and should - make whatever products they decide to make, and let the free market economy decide its fate.

To me... it just isn't something I care to see.

[newfan]

I don't feel it to the point that I'd miss the next movie but I also prefer TV/movies to be as though this pandemic wasn't here.

I've seen mixed comments, I know they explore (or start to explore) the more than human aspect to him, did they go much into it?

[Andrew NDB]

I just have no interest whatsoever - less than zero - in any movie or TV show making this whole fiasco a plot point.

I do. If it's used intuitively. If it's used as a propaganda piece from the left... I'm beyond turned off. But either way... like it or hate it, it's a thing we've had to endure for a couple of years now.

[Leo656]

I just want this pandemic sh*t to be over (I know it won't be anytime soon), and if/when it is, to never look back.

I also feel like there's probably about 80 other ideas they could go with if they felt like it. Going near the pandemic at all - to me - feels sensationalist and exploitative.

Which, again, doesn't mean they aren't allowed to. I just think, that THEY think, that it's a "clever" idea. And frankly, I really don't think it is clever. I think it's more, "SOMEONE is gonna go ahead and start making money off of movies that exploit the pandemic. We may as well be first." That was my gut reaction.

But then again, I'm a noted cynic, and thus my first reaction to anything is always, "They're doing this for the worst possible reasons," no matter what it is.

Anyways. I know I always snicker a tiny bit whenever anyone says, "The point of movies is Escapism." But in this one rare case, I agree. Even if that movie turns out to be good, watching it will inevitably put me in a bad mood simply due to the subject matter. I cannot tell you how thrilled I am that stuff like Simpsons, Family Guy, etc., haven't gone near this fiasco with a 100-foot pole and are just ignoring it. Maybe there's a way they could, but it's not up my alley and I'm glad they're not. I think they get that most people really don't want this sh*t rubbed in their faces right now, especially since we're still balls-deep in it and will be for some time to come.

For whatever it's worth, my one buddy is a Halloween super-fan, loved this new one. I told him about the plan for the next one and he's like, "No way they'd do that, whoever said that is retarded." And then I sent him the link and he sh*t a brick. I've seen similar chatter.

They MAY be shooting themselves in the foot a bit, here, and for no really great reason. Time will ultimately tell.

[Wildcat]

I saw H’18 and Kills over the last few days. I enjoyed both but I’ve honestly never been that into this franchise. I saw H20 in theaters but really don’t remember it and I’m not sure I’ve seen the original.

I’d like to go through all of them to see which way I like better. Sequels or Retcon. Wanna see Rob Zombies too. I’m thinking I’ll prefer the sequel way since I like long continuity.

I agree with Leo656. I would much prefer they do NOT acknowledge the pandemic. It’s way too soon to be making movies about it but aside from that it’s just really going to date the movie. In a bad way.

It’s weird because it crossed my mind while watching and before reading that. They would have never introduced a virus problem if it didn’t happen. It has nothing to with any movie monster’s universe. It’s not clever.

I don’t care if it’s a realistic element. Nobody considers it normal and you should not write it into your movie when it otherwise would not have been there.

I’m aware certain things include it as a story element like 4400. This is an extremely rare case it actually fits since it’s about people that time travel to 2021 and how the world has changed. I saw the first episode.

[Andrew NDB]

I agree with Leo656. I would much prefer they do NOT acknowledge the pandemic. It’s way too soon to be making movies about it but aside from that it’s just really going to date the movie. In a bad way.

I don't think so, if used in a good way. Like, in 10-15 years, imagine movies that could ironically be period pieces set in 2020-2021. Directors looking for specific points in time when crazy things were going on and such.

[Wildcat]

That’s different from shoehorning it into an established horror movie/franchise just because the movie happens to be made during that time.

Maybe Halloween Ends won’t make it a big plot point but it’s going to be remembered as...the one in the pandemic. It’s unnecessary.

There’s actually parody movies of the virus. It’s ridiculous they were made but it does not need to become part of popular movie-verses either. Set things under normal circumstances. They don’t need the virus to be scary or cool.

I’m sure combining the 2 things could make for some interesting scenes and situations (pandemic movies have been around) but using this specifically is a huge turn off because it’s happening in real life.

[Andrew NDB]

That’s different from shoehorning it into an established horror movie/franchise just because the movie happens to be made during that time.

Maybe Halloween Ends won’t make it a big plot point but it’s going to be remembered as...the one in the pandemic.

As opposed to "The one where Michael walks around killing people on Halloween"? Because that's a lot of them. That's all of them.

It’s unnecessary.

If I had to speculate, it'll be something related to everyone "masking up." Drawing some kind of parallel to people clinging to masks and Michael needing his mask.

Something with masks, in any case. Less so COVID itself.

I’m sure combining the 2 things could make for some interesting scenes and situations (pandemic movies have been around) but using this specifically is a huge turn off because it’s happening in real life.

I don't see it. War sucks but if someone does a film in the middle of the Iraq War set in the middle of the Iraq War that isn't somehow insensitive. It's a creative choice. I don't see how denying reality on any stage is beneficial... but I do see a lot of that going on nowadays in certain circles.

[Wildcat]

As opposed to "The one where Michael walks around killing people on Halloween"? Because that's a lot of them. That's all of them.Then why have the virus upstage him or how the characters interact at all?

If I had to speculate, it'll be something related to everyone "masking up." Drawing some kind of parallel to people clinging to masks and Michael needing his mask.

Something with masks, in any case. Less so COVID itself.I agree so why even include it? It’s really not worthwhile. I still want to see Ends but I think it’s unnecessary.

I don't see it. War sucks but if someone does a film in the middle of the Iraq War set in the middle of the Iraq War that isn't somehow insensitive. It's a creative choice. I don't see how denying reality on any stage is beneficial... but I do see a lot of that going on nowadays in certain circles.I don’t watch war movies but I know some have been made. The difference is a virus outbreak is more of a natural disaster.

COVID19 does not need to be canon to horror or sci-fi universes.

If it happened off screen, completely over and just referenced in passing the way historical events are acknowledged (in movies made years from now, not currently) mayyyybeeee that’s ok. I’m not sure.

Not to use it has a plot element though. Do you really want that?

[Andrew NDB]

I get that people don't like a mirror shined up to themselves. But in this particular case... it could be a useful tool. Or lens.

[IMJ]

I just watched Halloween Kills last night. It was solid! Can't wait for the next one, but wondering if this new continuity will give any explanation as to Michael's "Boggieman status".

[Leo656]

What I fully expect to happen is, as part of the subplot there will be at least one character raging against mask mandates, forced vaccinations, etc., and then that person will get killed off by Myers as one of the "characters you actually cheer when they get killed" since every slasher movie needs one. There'll probably be more to it but that'll be part of it.

The director mentioned how the next one will tackle both the pandemic as well as "strange politics" (or something to that effect). I know Andrew said that the guy, in his estimation, isn't an "SJW Lefty" or anything, and maybe he's not, in his personal life.

The thing is, he specifically mentioned bringing politics into it. Well, we all know that in Present-Day Hollywood, your movie can only touch on "politics" at all if it's in the interest of promoting the politics of the Left. So there's no way whatsoever that he'll be using his movie to speak out AGAINST mask mandates and forced vaccinations. Rather, it will be that in the movie itself, those people who do speak out in dissent will be "the bad guys" and the audience will be encouraged to cheer when they get killed.

There might be other stuff to it, like people being more vulnerable to being slaughtered since they're all hunkered down together at home, or the town having difficulty because of all the businesses being forced to shut down, and so forth. But the biggest part of it will undoubtedly be, at least one character of a more conservative mindset WILL be killed off so the more liberal audience members can celebrate it cathartically.

And we know this because otherwise, the director would not be allowed to bring "politics" into it at all. You can't make a movie that touches on "politics" in any way, unless "touching on politics" means "finger-wagging conservatives." That's an open and provable fact.

So do I want to see that? No, I don't. Do they have the right to do it? Yes, they do. But I probably won't see the movie.

Anybody here should know I'm not a hypersensitive. And I support their right to make whatever creative choices they see fit. But this is a dumb choice, in my humble opinion, it's gonna date the movie badly, it needlessly reminds me and other people of things they'd rather forget, and I'd simply prefer that movies like this try and stay away from anything political, that's not what they're about.

Like, I promise you, when things are more or less back to some reasonable semblance of "normal", I'm not gonna be spending much time reminiscing about 2020 or 2021; for the rest of my life, those are gonna be "dark spots" in my memory, on purpose. There is zero chance, when I'm 50, I'm going to want to willingly watch a movie, TV show, anything, that goes out of its way to remind people about All This Sh*t. Because I'm not going to want to remember it. Therefore, if by some chance I ever do see the next one, it'll be once, just for the sake of having seen it, and never again.

You have to figure that I'm not the only one who feels like that. That alone, in theory, hurts the movie's potential for having a long tail since there are undoubtedly going to be a lot of people besides myself who will be of the mindset, "I don't wanna think about pandemic sh*t anymore."

Which makes it a very, very questionable creative choice. "Let's potentially alienate large chunks of our audience who are sick of Pandemic Sh*t altogether, just so we can finger-wag people who don't wanna get the shot"? Dumb. I'm sorry, that's dumb.

And that IS going to be the point, wait and see. Otherwise they wouldn't even be allowed to bring it up at all.

One of my good buddies is a HUGE Halloween fan, like devoutly, AND, by chance, he's a huge Lefty (because I'm perfectly capable of maintaining friendships with people with whom I strongly disagree politically; that's called "being an adult"). And even HE is like, "If they go there, I probably won't see it. Or I might, but I really REALLY wish they wouldn't go there." Because, like me, he just wants this sh*t to be over with and we don't care to see it fictionalized needlessly for the sake of "entertainment". What the F*CK is "entertaining" about all of this nonsense?

That's him, and that's me. There are others who feel the same. Lots and lots and lots of them.

We'll see what they actually do. But I feel like it's needlessly provocative and there's no GOOD reason for it. "Reasons", yeah, maybe. GOOD reasons? Zero.

[IMJ]

I think at least one leftist fool wrote an article somewhere that this latest flick was "anti gay" because Michael kills two gay guys in their home. :lol:

[Leo656]

I just remember the one where the firefighters were crying because Michael kills firefighters in the new one.

Like, he's an equal-opportunity offender, man. Of course he'd kill firefighters. Or gay people. Or black people. Or white people. Or mimes. He doesn't care! He just likes killin'. If anything, that should make him LESS offensive... I mean, as far as mass-murderers go.

[IMJ]

I just remember the one where the firefighters were crying because Michael kills firefighters in the new one.

Like, he's an equal-opportunity offender, man. Of course he'd kill firefighters. Or gay people. Or black people. Or white people. Or mimes. He doesn't care! He just likes killin'. If anything, that should make him LESS offensive... I mean, as far as mass-murderers go.

Exactly. It's a movie about an evil murderer arguably from hell.

[Sumac]

So, even serial killers should be tolerant somehow?

Are those retards think with their asses?
Do hey even THINK in the first place?

[IMJ]

So, even serial killers should be tolerant somehow?

Are those retards think with their asses?
Do hey even THINK in the first place?

More and more I'm convinced that there are two kinds of people who fall under the blanket of modern "SJW". It's basically the self-centered virtue signalers and the sheep who react under them.

The first kind is the dip$#!( who writes an article to on-board with the liberal or journalistic crowd. It's written to be bombastic and as agitating as possible while presenting their elitist, virtue-laden thoughts on an SJW topic.

The second kind are the life-angry and directionless bottom-feeders (we saw these people out on the streets at the peak of the rioting and we had them here on the forums for a while - Voltron, a few random posters whose usernames I can't even remember and of course the pairing of opinionated women here with health problems presumably brought on by lifestyle choices). They click on the articles and get fired up. These are the people in the Halloween movie who screamed "Evil Dies Tonight!" and went after the mental patient. It's the same part of society that elites have manipulated forever.

You can assign this pattern to anything. CNN and it's viewers (now diminished significantly). You can even assign this pattern to the far right religious nuts. But the difference, as always, is that the left half of the spectrum is comprised almost entirely of what I've described whereas the center and the right are comprised of it only maybe 10%.

[Andrew NDB]

I think at least one leftist fool wrote an article somewhere that this latest flick was "anti gay" because Michael kills two gay guys in their home. :lol:

LGBTQ: "We demand equal rights in all things, everywhere always! Except... movies and fiction, where we are not allowed to be harmed, ever!"

[Leo656]

It's the new "feminism".

Just like "feminists", they don't actually want "equality". They want a blend of "dominance" and "revenge".

Which is not even close to the same thing as "equality". But "we just want equality" sounds a lot nicer and more fair. Saying "We want preferential treatment and also to get back at anyone who ever made our lives difficult" sounds transparently selfish. Mostly because it is.

[Sumac]

LGBTQ: "We demand equal rights in all things, everywhere always! Except... movies and fiction, where we are not allowed to be harmed, ever!"
"And we always should be portrayed as good guys, with no flaws whatsoever...and everyone should worship our characters, like they are the best characters ever created!"

**** them. They don't understand anything, including what makes a good story or good characters.

[joe-eyeball]

Halloween Ends was insanely horrible! Frankly I didn’t expect to be blown away by it but holy hell did they royally screw the pooch with this one. For me this was easily the worst film of the entire franchise!

[Shark_Blade]

Halloween Ends was insanely horrible! Frankly I didn’t expect to be blown away by it but holy hell did they royally screw the pooch with this one. For me this was easily the worst film of the entire franchise!

Resurrection is way worse be serious now. :trolleye:

[IMJ]

Halloween Ends was insanely horrible! Frankly I didn’t expect to be blown away by it but holy hell did they royally screw the pooch with this one. For me this was easily the worst film of the entire franchise!

NOooo!!! I haven't seen it yet, but was really looking forward to it after the last two...

[Cowabung-Gal]

It was anticlimactic to say the least.

Even my Halloween fanfiction was better than this canonical film.

[joe-eyeball]

Resurrection is way worse be serious now. :trolleye:

Nope! That one was bad for sure but this one is 100% pure dog poo!!!

[Leo656]

I've heard only bad things.

Except for that the director apparently changed his mind about it being a movie about the Pandemic, supposedly all that got changed. Good.

[CyberCubed]

I was watching the movie on 1.5x speed and I was so bored to tears I switched to 2x speed halfway into the movie and even then it didn't help. This movie was so bad.

[Leo656]

One wonders if they purposely under-baked this "final chapter" so they'd have a built-in excuse to do another one 5 years from now. "We didn't wanna end the series with a bad taste in so many people's mouths, so we're bringing it back ONE LAST TIME (we promise) to make sure we get it right." Like you can already hear it.

Not that anyone believes this is the last one anyway, I'm just saying, maybe it was part of the mission to not only "leave people wanting more" but demanding it. I know conventional wisdom says "Nobody ever makes a bad movie on purpose" but I'm not sure I believe that.

I'unno, for all the raving this new trilogy has gotten I've read nothing that makes me have any urgency to watch them or that they'd be all that great. Seems like the reboot/sequel was the only one that got glowing praise, the last one was said to be a mixed bag and this one is getting hammered.

[Andrew NDB]

Except for that the director apparently changed his mind about it being a movie about the Pandemic, supposedly all that got changed. Good.

I was actually looking forward to seeing what would be done with that. Though I went back and re-read the quote that implied that:

"Where we’re leaving these characters on Halloween 2018, the world is a different place. So not only do they have their immediate world affected by that trauma, having time to process that trauma—and that’s a specific and immediate traumatic event in the community of Haddonfield. But then they also had a worldwide pandemic and peculiar politics and another million things that turned their world upside down,” he explains."

Having seen the movie now, I think I know what he's talking about. The whole town is PTSDed up the wazoo, not just because of Myers but apparently the pandemic, too. The pandemic is just never really mentioned.

So the movie. Meh. I probably liked it more than a lot of people that I've read. I can kind of understand what they were doing with the new character (it's like the director was going, "I bet everyone expects us to introduce a new Michael Myers to replace him, so we're going to play into that for a while, then... NOPE!") but it was all very predictable. At the end of the day Michael barely kills anybody and the "holy sh**!" deaths weren't by him.

I was halfway expecting the granddaughter to be revealed as having been transferred the Shape/evil entity at the end, as the end of 2018 sort of foreshadowed. They didn't. Good. It's actually impressive how completely conclusive the ending is, with no wink-winks to "but maybe!" or anything. If there's any trickery going on, it's with what was going on with that hobo and the pipe that Michael was living in. The hobo says "I'm Michael Myers!" and mentions that he's been seeing Michael pull people into the pipe from time to time (and also, if you're a hobo in a tent 20 feet from a pipe where you're seeing Michael Myers pulling victims into repeatedly... you're not going to move your tent somewhere else?). Just to kill them, we're left to assume... but maybe something else? Some sort of doppleganger/brood thing could be, if they really wanted to go that route.