It's quiet in here?

[Leofan26]

Hardly any one posts in this part of the forums, dang. Is it due to the lack of new episodes?

[rickwj324]

I don't have much to say about the show (other than voicing my dislike of it..haha!). I have to say though, I am curious to see when Shredder appears!! What do you suppose Draxxum's role will be when Shredhead finally debuts? Will he willingly bow down to Shredder or will there be a power struggle?

I'm also looking for the last action figures that were released from the show. Haven't found Albearto or Foot Lieutenant in stores yet.

That's about all I have to say about RISE. :P

[Andrew NDB]

"If you don't have anything nice to say," etc..

[neatoman]

I guess there's just not that much excitement for this show. Not that surprising given how this is a forum largely made up of older fans, and how this show has very little in common with previous TMNT material. Even though the last show released episodes at an abyssmal rate, the forum was still active until a few weeks after the series concluded. I guess that it more closely resembled what's expected from TMNT is what helped it keep up the hype?

The funny thing is that the last show, with it's confused writing and budget constraints, might actually be a worse show in general.

[AquaParade]

Makes me wonder how the show is doing in the ratings/merchandising realm.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, hiatus paired with the fact that this one really doesn't offer a whole lot to discuss much of the time...

[neatoman]

Makes me wonder how the show is doing in the ratings/merchandising realm.

It terms of ratings, it does roughly the same as any other show on Nickelodeon. Though ratings for Nickelodeon are dropping in general.

Streaming viewership and merch sales are impossible to find.

[CyberCubed]

It's a kids show and this forum is mostly filled with 30 year olds. And unlike the previous 3 TMNT cartoons, this one is further removed from what the core of the TMNT franchise is about not to mention how the Turtles and Splinter are portrayed. It's not surprising.

The Nick 2012 series had a huge following among adults, not just here, but in all other places like twitter/tumblr, comic book forums, etc. Rise doesn't generate the interest that Ciro's 2012 series did.

[Powder]

Rise has a really poppin' fandom, but it's not in any communities made up of grumpy would-be dads. Which is a lot of TMNT based groups. Tumblr goes ham for this series, & you'll see plenty of love for it on Instagram too. Seems it's landed more with it's intended demo- a younger generation.

[Andrew NDB]

Its true target audience don't even have social media yet.

[lonewarrior20]

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[MikeandRaph87]

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I was waiting for that!:tlol:

I believe most of us on here dislike the version of TMNT because Rise does not hit multiple age groups the way the other cartoons have. So there is not many interested in talking about it when there is something to discuss. Rise hit its demographic more than the incarnations before it. That demographic is not present on this forum. I hear nothing about it, but I teach high school. They were interested in either '87 or '12.

[PizzaPower]

I was waiting for that!:tlol:

I believe most of us on here dislike the version of TMNT because Rise does not hit multiple age groups the way the other cartoons have. So there is not many interested in talking about it when there is something to discuss. Rise hit its demographic more than the incarnations before it. That demographic is not present on this forum. I hear nothing about it, but I teach high school. They were interested in either '87 or '12.
Yea surprisingly, the 2003 show is known but not as well.

[CyberCubed]

The 2003 series is very known. The official TMNT twitter posts images/gifs from the show all the time and they constantly get likes and replies with people talking how much they loved the show and want DVD releases.

Do you guys visit anywhere outside this dying forum? All the young hep cats of today are on social media, forums are for old people like ourselves.

[Leo656]

"Hepcat" is one word, skip.

[MikeandRaph87]

Yea surprisingly, the 2003 show is known but not as well.

Its partly because after its sudden conclusion all that is seen in Turtles Forever. If marketed it could be different. The '87 cartoon made it a juggernaut and can cash in on nostalgia in marketing. Meanwhile the Nick Turtles are the new core TMNT that are also marketable. The 2003 series brought TMNT out of being a fad and into a franchise. It is caught in the middle is the problem. Its not what made it a hit nor the core of what the successor owner made. I mean I like the '87 cartoon the most then the '03 cartoon, then the '12 cartoon. One hit my interest the best and then the next fed my need for TMNT and also more mature interest (continuity and characterization) while the '12 cartoon tried too hard to cater to multiple audience that I only watched the original airings and don't think it will hold up in the different ways the other two do. Rise unlike the 2012 cartoon, what I thought was a failed attempt of reaching multiple TMNT groups is simply a kiddie cartoon without trying to reach adults like how we appreciate the humor of the '87 cartoon in a different way. If it is successful its hard to determine. I tried it, I did not like it, its not made for a TMNT fan, but kids. Hopefully the cartoons will not get progressively worse for TMNT fans, but it is what it is for now. Hope those in the demographic enjoy it. They just don't go on fan forums as they are too young.

[oldmanwinters]

This thread's title confused me until I realized the two typos.

[Andrew NDB]

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[IndigoErth]

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:lol::)

"Wait, we can fix that."

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Where did the dignity go.
The role play weapons/masks at my Walmart seem to be selling okay and noticed today that there is only one left on the hook. (Not that they can actually stack that deep per hook, but still.) The figures... not so much. Since I go past it once a week for work reasons it's noticeable that it rarely seems to change.

[shredder orokusaki]

The 2003 series is very known. The official TMNT twitter posts images/gifs from the show all the time and they constantly get likes and replies with people talking how much they loved the show and want DVD releases.

Do you guys visit anywhere outside this dying forum? All the young hep cats of today are on social media, forums are for old people like ourselves.

Yes i have twitter and youtube and i dont see lot of people talking there either because it is bad show but with all the recent scandals with perfonal data leaks on facebook and other social media soon they will be dead too. If rise was as serious as the 2012 and 2003 the forum would had been full of people talking about it but we are 30+ episodes and ihavent fought the turtles yet so not suprise that most people dont care about it.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The 2003 series is very known. The official TMNT twitter posts images/gifs from the show all the time and they constantly get likes and replies with people talking how much they loved the show and want DVD releases.

Do you guys visit anywhere outside this dying forum? All the young hep cats of today are on social media, forums are for old people like ourselves.

I agree, this entire community is dying.

[The-Shredder]

I agree, this entire community is dying.

Outside of this forum, I have my YouTube channel for 2003 related stuff and I interact with some fans there, but I always come here because I feel there is a sense of authority, and it's easier to share and keep track of things. I don't really have a problem with social media, but I don't think it's designed well for archiving and frequently accessing resources like on a traditional website due to the massive amount of new posts being made everyday from people all over the world.

[IndigoErth]

Good point. Most social media isn't even well formatted for actual decent discussion either.

So much of it is so "me" based and one sided, I have doubts about how well the future of social media can even support fandom in the long run. Someday the concept long-lived franchises could be a thing of the past if the fandom support isn't enough of a thing anymore, plus the amount of media competing for attention.

The Turtles are very lucky to have come along when they did, since older fans will hopefully be unlikely to entirely abandon forums like this and keep on actually wanting these kinds of discussions.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I guess it goes to show how interesting Rise is when users go off-topic about social media.:tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

I agree, this entire community is dying.

Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to.

[CyberCubed]

I lost track of the show after the first 10ish episodes aired, did they even finish airing the first season yet? I know the show is getting a Season 2 at least, but did all of Season 1 finish airing?

[IndigoErth]

Nope. Looked up the list and the last one was ep 36, so, if the number shown on Turtlepedia is correct, looks like we have about 1/4 of the season still left.

Space that out with another hiatus or two, after the present one, and they could probably push that through the end of the year...

[Wretched Reptile]

I fell out of the show too after the first dozen or so episodes. I think my interest just legit kind of waned. I never hated it and in fact enjoyed it as its own fun and weird iteration of the franchise from the start, but I guess it never quite "hooked" me the way the previous series did. I just started focusing on other things waiting on new episodes and then got lazy about catching up.

I've been meaning to go finish the episodes available on Amazon that I haven't seen. It just hasn't been a huge priority, admittedly. I've actually found myself rewatching 2k3 episodes and 2012 episodes lately, so that probably says it all really lol.

As for the toys, I did buy a Wave 1 Donnie and Meat Sweats but nothing else. They're actually still sitting on a lower shelf in my hobby room, unopened. I never felt compelled to get all of these, even enjoying the show, more or less.

To be perfectly honest (and most already feel and agree with this sentiment/observation), I just think Rise was too different to succeed on the same levels of the other previous series. I applaud them taking risks and trying new things, but even despite liking this show ok enough as an open-minded older fan, I haven't ever completely fallen in love with it. It's fun, but it doesn't "stick with me" like 2k3 or 2012 did. It's definitely more akin to the FW original, in that it's kind of goofy, forgettable and harmless fun - the problem there though is I don't have the nostalgia blinders for it like I do for the FW series because I grew up with it. Rise is definitely the first iteration to kind of not completely enthrall me overall (because yes, I even like Next Mutation as a legit guilty pleasure lol). I hate to admit it in a way because it makes me a little sad reaching this point in my own personal fandom bubble, but it's absolutely true. :ohwell:

All that said, I'm not the real target demo for it like many other older fans aren't either, and if it's doing the business with kids, that's good to hear. Plenty will grow up and look back at Rise as THEIR version of the TMNT, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. They'll get to hate some other new version in 20 years themselves. :lol:

[shredder orokusaki]

There hasnt be a new episode for almost 1 month that why i is quiet.

[clockstomper]

This show isn't really for TMNT fans, it's just trying to copy the formula Cartoon Network's been doing for years. So no buzz, even the "influencers" Nick had on board when the show started have dropped off. There's just nothing to talk about when every joke's been done on another show.

[Andrew NDB]

This show isn't really for TMNT fans

It's really not, and doesn't really even pretend to be (despite what some 30-something year old diehard fans may say, probably one wearing flannel).

[Vegita-San]

this show is a prime example of Reboot Limit.

You can only reboot something SO MANY TIMES before it's either not what it once was, or so different it might as well be something else.

I think the farthest TMNT could be pushed was the Demon Shredder arc with the mystic powers. that still KIND of fit, since it was the next level of ninja arts.
but after that, that's it.

not much you can tell in this universe without repeating yourself over and over and over and over again.

[IndigoErth]

Even with that use of a demon Shredder, at least that twist was still balanced with the Turtles still being themselves.

Now it's just derpa derp, lets act stupid because all the shows are doing it these days and the kids think it's funny! It's sad to see the TMNT lumped in with everything else and just made to perpetuated the current lame cartoon fads. When does the weird ass shaking start? Since cartoons have been on the tired out ass trend for far too many years already.

It's a shame that eps with some actual substance are so few and far between. Most of them could be replaced with 11 min of the Turtles watching paint dry.

[shredder orokusaki]

make it like 2003 or 2012 and it will be very succesful. people want to see me killing and fighting and hurting evryone not the turtles fighting some crazy mutants.

[Coola Yagami]

I just feel that with this one.... this is finally the TMNT that is not for us. I mean, technically the 2012 wasn't either due to us all being in our 30s or whatever... but at least it had some compelling multi-arcing storylines and it gave us new versions of the 80's characters only us older folks would remember since we were there to see the originals.

Rise of the TMNT is just flat out dopey kids stuff and we're too old to get it or care. I'm as rabid as a TMNT fan can get but I just feel no drive to wake up early Saturday mornings to hunt this show down like I used to back for the 2012 show. The 2012 kept changing schedules but gawd dayum if I was ever gonna miss an episode. Here it's meh.

Reminds me of Grandpa Simpson. I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what is TMNT now seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU.

[IMJ]

Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to.

-oof-
The line that encapsulates the entire agenda and movement as Hollywood kills pop culture....

[Technogeek29]

Yeah this isn't working for me. And After Batman vs the TMNT it hit me as to why I don't care too much for this version. (Save Michelangelo who is less of the "dude Mikey" mold every version has been copying for awhile) I don't really care for the random adventures as their too silly at times even for the OT (debatably)

Leo can be funny without having to change his entire character because most fans thought he was boring. You kind of need the straight man in the group otherwise they're all annoying and too smilar. That said most will say that Donnie is the straight man of the group, but he is just silly in the other extreme while Mikey and Leo are silly in another way. That just leaves Raph....Never thought I call a version of Raphael the lovable dumb one Usually that's Mikey But for whatever reason he's the leader here but he doesn't really do anything other versions of the character didn't already do. Such as taking charge when he wants, confronting Leo and giving him crap but in that same vein gets a long with him the most. Only real difference I'm noticing is the show says he's the Leader and...That's it. And every other version of the character save comic books variants, would run verbal circle's around him.

And the defense for these changes are kind of weak from what I've seen. Like they like this version of Raph is sensitive but...Raph has always been sensitive, it's the whole mask your feelings through anger trope. Now you just toned down his anger and just left the sensitive part and made it so in your face his other quirks are gone. He doesn't have to be overly angry like 2k3 or too whinny like 2k12. Usually when I think of a version of Raph who doesn't rank 4th in terms of popularity for me it's 1990 and IDW.

Similar for Leo who is now 80's Raph. cracks one liners, seems rather lazy and cocky when it comes to fighting. Whole purpose mostly is to be the quippy funny one now. And I get it the boy scout perfectionist who always wants to do the right thing is a bit boring...Or is it? What if you just toned that down and make it a part of his character but not overly blatant? for a bit that was what 2k12 Leo was. He listen to Splinter but was still a teenager who was cocky, brash and made mistakes. And often pride and perfectionism were his flaws that he would overcome. Part of his humor was as mature as he would seem, the other 3 brought him down to their level. And when he did get childish or juvenile the jokes land better because it deviates from his norm.
Like pulling a teen thing aan kicking Ra's Al Ghul in the balls

If you like this version? More power to you. It's just not for me and I tune in but quickly lose interest as fast as I gain it.

[Xav]

I just feel that with this one.... this is finally the TMNT that is not for us.What about the 2014 film? You actually think that was made for 30 something year old fans?

[lonewarrior20]

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[shredder orokusaki]

What about the 2014 film? You actually think that was made for 30 something year old fans?
At least there iwas the main villian like i always am and fought the turtles and hurt splinter very hard! That how rise of tmnt should had been with me and my foot ninjas fighting the turtles from the first episodes and beating them but i will fight them again soon!

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Imo, the issue lies in what the show is trying to do, and its general concept and vision is just being unappealing for a TMNT cartoon; mystic weapons, new and uninteresting characters, silly and awkward jokes, Raph being a buffoonish leader. This show is obviously aimed towards a younger audience which they've outright said and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. The 11 minute format does indeed work for the stories they're trying to tell but for me, most of them aren't interesting. I've enjoyed shows like Sonic Boom and even the new DC Superhero Girls TV show and I get more of a kick out of those.

Whenever this show comes back from a hiatus, I've already dropped it due to lack of interest. This show just isn't for me and I'm just not interested in seeing another wacky version of the turtles because it's the last thing this property needs, in my eyes.

[IMJ]

Imo, the issue lies in what the show is trying to do, and its general concept and vision is just being unappealing for a TMNT cartoon; mystic weapons, new and uninteresting characters, silly and awkward jokes, Raph being a buffoonish leader. This show is obviously aimed towards a younger audience which they've outright said and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. The 11 minute format does indeed work for the stories they're trying to tell but for me, most of them aren't interesting. I've enjoyed shows like Sonic Boom and even the new DC Superhero Girls TV show and I get more of a kick out of those.

Whenever this show comes back from a hiatus, I've already dropped it due to lack of interest. This show just isn't for me and I'm just not interested in seeing another wacky version of the turtles because it's the last thing this property needs, in my eyes.

At every business I've ever worked at there has been people who are the "change crowd". And change is necessary, if not always good. Except that in most occasions these people are clearly virtue signaling for change - they are riding it for strange psychological or manipulative reasons rather than anything valid.....

This are the "throw any **** at the wall to see what sticks" people. They lack real creativity so they hide behind a poor version of an original idea and they usually only wind up with a wall covered in ****.

That's how I view the showrunners of this new show. They "changed" for yuppie, groupthink, "look at me, I'm an agent of change" reasons. And the result was this show.

I think I watched one, maybe two episodes. Couldn't stand it.

[Andrew NDB]

This show just isn't for me

It was never intended to be.

[Vegita-San]

That's how I view the showrunners of this new show. They "changed" for yuppie, groupthink, "look at me, I'm an agent of change" reasons. And the result was this show.

I think I watched one, maybe two episodes. Couldn't stand it.

yep.

I barely got through the pilot. I didn't need to see anymore. (and I say this as someone who enjoys a little of Teen Titans Go once in a while. I never saw that series as too serious to begin with)

If Rob Wasn't so involved in this series, it'd be getting alot more criticism from me.

I can't help but wonder if that's why they thought to bring him in to voice direct, being official turtle ambassador.

[Btown]

Currently I’m deployed and when I was talking to my 7 year old daughter the other day she said “I don’t like these new turtles, I miss the old ones” To me, when a child says that it’s realky saying something about the series. while I myself haven’t seen any episodes from rise, I have no intentions to do so. I just haven’t been with this series since the designs were revealed. Thankfully we now have Pluto TV and can watch all of the 2003 and 2012 episodes

[Dejablue]

This show does have an audience. It's just....nobody in here.

I remember being a kid, when a show I liked got a "new look." I totally hated it. But then I just grew to like it. That's how a lot of things are. You hate it but because it isn't going away your tastes adapt.

I WANT my tastes to adapt to this show but won't... and I don't know why! I guess if the OT cartoon had come out today I'd probably not like it. Most of my love for the OT is nostalgia based? Possibly.

Though I still feel that when this show feels like it, Rise is easily the best animated turtles cartoon when it comes down to fights. My main problem with this show is all of the turtles are Mikey so Mikey doesn't stand out. And there is no straight man. I'm just not gelling with this "Nothing matters and nothing is taken seriously" nature of Rise. Not saying that the show has to be dark. What I mean is every character treats their circumstances like a crappy joke they have to tell. So if they don't care about what is happening then why should I?

My tastes have just changed so while I feel this was fine for the 80s, a turtles show shouldn't be constant jokes all the time. Heck even the OT turtles wasn't that.

I'm going to shill Mao Mao as a better example of episodic light hearted fun with low stakes.

BUT AAANNNYWAY...I would strongly suggest looking outside of this place if you do happen to like Rise. Rise has fans. But very few of them are here.
And I swear to God that isn't some kind of threat or "We don't like u types here." kind of thing, I'm just being honest. This forum is dying because new people who want to get in can't even get in.

Edit: I just had an epiphany. The reason Mao Mao is better than Rise is because the three main characters have different personalities. In Rise all 4 turtles are basically the same. As much as I tend to crap on Leo for being boring (tho his 2k12 version is my favorite). A show like Mao Mao demonstrates how it is entirely possible to have your stick in the mud no nonsense character still be fun, backed up by two friend characters who are also different personality wise. The jokes are more natural when the main cast don't all act the same way. Conflict is funny!

[IndigoErth]

Well said and agree with much of it.

Another point imo is that the 80s Turtles benefited not just from being the first cartoon, but they were also a product of their time. A good part of the tone and style of that series is because of their time period. And even then, when times changed it tried to adapt to it in those last few seasons. Does it look goofy today, sure, but at least it feels genuine.

'Rise,' however, doesn't feel genuine to me, rather it just feels like it's trying too hard to be a certain way, rather than just trying to be good. It is partly in a way also a product of it's time, fair enough, in an age where too many cartoons try so hard to be stupid, weird and/or eccentric... and that's just not appealing to see with TMNT. It's just sad instead; Nick shoehorning them in there to be too much like everything else. Too much influence by a cartoon trend that is fast getting old. (Cripe, even Spongebob, goofy as it always was, is picking up some of that stupid stuff in these later seasons and making the shift more obvious.)

I mean, on the rare occasion that they actually touch on the overall plot and get a little more serious, sometimes it edges into being half decent. And... then it forgets that entirely and goes back to episodes with little more substance than watching the Turtles watch paint dry. Too many of them just leave me feel like, "Welp, there's that one. Next."

We were sold this whole theme of the mystic stuff, a hidden underground city, this pet of April's that is still an complete mystery (why?), etc... and the series isn't even owning it. I'm not overly big on the mystic direction, but geezus, at least OWN what you supposedly wanted to be and BE it.

As a die hard and glutton for punishment, though, I still check it out and just keep waiting for more eps that end feeling like they were worth the time given to watch it, and keep waiting and hoping for it to get better to some extent... Not with an in vain hope that it's going to turn into a superior predecessor, but at least, like I said, own the supposed theme of the mystic city stuff, not a theme of "just how absurd can they act" in eps that wouldn't matter if they were skipped.


The personality stuff though, as mentioned, has always been the part that bothered me most about this one. They don't all have to be Mikey in order to be funny and enjoyable. Different types of humor are a good thing. I always loved Leo's sense of humor in most cases in everything else before now. Infrequent, being the straight man and all, but when it happens it feels all the more genuine and good. Him acting and treated as some dummy is just so disappointingly out of character.

How the hell did we go from noble, stoic depictions of him to, well, this...

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[Coola Yagami]

I mean, we all knew the show wasn't gonna be serious, and not just character-wise but overall story structure-wise an story arc-wise. But most people here tried their darnest to make it some sort of lore deep super intense don't-miss-an-episode-cause-you'll-miss-an-important-clue story driven thing. It's not. It's just not.

The whole premise with the underground city and magic weapons was just the opening premise so something would already stand out from the other shows, namely, all-new magical weapons. It just wasn't that kind of show, and it just wasn't 'for us', no matter how much some of us want it to be. It is what it is.

[victory_angel]

Another point imo is that the 80s Turtles benefited not just from being the first cartoon, but they were also a product of their time. A good part of the tone and style of that series is because of their time period. And even then, when times changed it tried to adapt to it in those last few seasons. Does it look goofy today, sure, but at least it feels genuine.

That, and also the OT was what started the Turtle Fandom off. Yes, there were the comic books and they had their following, but the OT is what kicked off everything. And while that series did have it's serious moment and arcs, it was largely a slapstick humor show aimed at kids.

Future incarnations have given us serious turtles in the 2k3, and serious turtles who are free to be teenagers and just not take things seriously in the 2k12.

Rise feels like it's trying to recreate the humor of the OT but incorporate it into the current age. Which unfortunately does hurt the story because it's like we have "Wacky adventure...Wacky adventure...wacky adventure...then serious plot followed by five wacky adventures." The serious plots at least have the luxury of being full 20-minute episodes. But the 11-minute episodes seem to hurt the story because they are sacrificing the story they should be following for cheap laughs. They do have plots that center on random silliness between the brothers, and those work as 11-minute episodes. But there are other episodes where things could have been longer because it could have had character development for all a character or all the characters. Or maybe a lesson one or all of the turtles need to learn over the course of the episode. But those lessons are instead ignored or rushed because they need to bring together the conflict and resolution in the 11 minute time frame.

Take the episode Mrs. Cuddles, for example, Raph automatically knows she's evil but it's never explained how he knew she was evil.

That easily could have been explained by having the turtles watching the show April's involved with. Then at one point, Raph notices Mrs. Cuddles leering up at the camera like she's looking directly into his soul but everyone else doesn't see it or even notice it. Raph could then try to point that out, which causes his brothers and April to tease him about being scared of a "Cute little bunny rabbit" And then as a way of pranking Raph, April is convinced to bring the puppet to the lair next visit.

There is also the problem with the villain, while TMNT always has had a large villain roster. They do focus largely on the villains they are supposed to focus on, namely the Shredder and Krang, or Shredder and the Kraang in the 2k12 version.

This version of the series introduces a new villain named Barron Draxum. However, we don't learn enough about him to really understand his role or motivation as a villain. Having John Cena voice him means that he's only going to be available for a limited number of episodes since he is a celebrity voice. Which only hurts his character, if he's going to be the main big bad of this season at the very least. Because that means he's not given the focus he's supposed to be given as a new major villain. While not all episodes will center around him or need to, there is still going to need a could 3/4 of a season to establish why he's the Turtles main enemy before the Shredder is introduced.

Understandably, not all incarnations of the Turtles have to start out with the Turtles and the Shredder encountering each other. They easily could have had the Turtles fight another villain such as the Foot Lieutenant and Foot Brute by themselves all the while offering hints the Shredder is looming on the horizon. Which is something we have in this series as we see the Foot Clan obtaining parts of the Shredder's armor.

Yet, Draxom has been introduced in this series as the big bad of the season. Aside from creating the Turtles and wanting to mutate the city with his Oozesquitos we don't really much reason for him to exist in this show. Particularly since there are other villains who are just as dangerous as the Shredder that havw yet to be used in the show lore such as Null for example.


The only thing that is really motivating Draxum now is that he is going to be given the Shredder's Armor because reasons. It's likely he's meant to be a vessel for the Shredder's spirit. Even if that was the case, the Foot Clan summon Draxum from out of nowhere by the Foot Clan even though they never encountered him before then. So how could they be certain he's the one who is destined to become the Shredder's vessel?

[Andrew NDB]

I would strongly suggest looking outside of this place if you do happen to like Rise. Rise has fans. But very few of them are here.

I'm sure there are... some kind of fans out there avidly discussing it. Somewhere. Though it's hard to imagine large numbers of sound-minded people above the age of 13 actually going back and forth in meaningful discourse about such a show. What would you even talk about? "That was SO COOL the way Leo did that wacky thing and we heard that sound effect in that one ten minute episode, amirite?"

It would seem an exercise in... masochism? No?

[IndigoErth]

I look forward to a day when there is hopefully a series that actually generates decent episode discussion again. I just hope it happens before I'm old.





One of the plot holes in the basic foundation of it that I'm not understanding why it even still exists and could have been touched on/resolved a while ago is Mayhem's story.

We have no idea what this creature really even is, or his origin other than assuming he came from that mystic city. Does he have a previous owner? IS this creature a pet-like animal to begin with? Somehow he got wrapped up in this thing with Draxum, but we have no idea why or how other than he was on the run from him. And there really seems to be a forgotten and unknown person/being involved here who is the one who tied that vial around Mayhem's neck.


Sure, I'm probably giving it "too much thought" for a show that just wants to be simple and dumb and mostly stick to pointless one-shot episodes. But as I said, the thing with Mayhem is kind of part of the basic foundation of the thing to start with, being there from the start and all. It's like leaving the lair out of a series and just being like, Oh well, they live somewhere, but lets never bother seeing it.

Maybe it'll gone back to it after Shredder actually manages to get involved, though the would-be Mayhem story seems more of a Draxum arc thing...

[The Great Saiyaman]

Outside of this forum, I have my YouTube channel for 2003 related stuff and I interact with some fans there, but I always come here because I feel there is a sense of authority, and it's easier to share and keep track of things. I don't really have a problem with social media, but I don't think it's designed well for archiving and frequently accessing resources like on a traditional website due to the massive amount of new posts being made everyday from people all over the world.

It's for that reason why I joined this forum.

Ever since rediscovering TMNT, I went out and searched for every thing I could find on the franchise and I found this forum.

On "Rise" in general I have much difficulty taking the series seriously but since I started working my new fan comic "A Weird world" which is a Rise/2012 crossover, I decided to have some fun with it.

[Dejablue]

I'm sure there are... some kind of fans out there avidly discussing it. Somewhere. Though it's hard to imagine large numbers of sound-minded people above the age of 13 actually going back and forth in meaningful discourse about such a show. What would you even talk about? "That was SO COOL the way Leo did that wacky thing and we heard that sound effect in that one ten minute episode, amirite?"

It would seem an exercise in... masochism? No?


To be damnably honest most fan discourse I see is on tumblr. Or an actual Rise discord (I forgot the name but its a tmnt discord mostly for Rise fans. If you want to know what it is I can find it and tell anyone curious)

Most discourse is about how gay the turtles are. Sexuality headcanons. April being 'fierce'....worst but not least this pervasive idea that Rise Splinter is a "good" dad. But mostly its about how gay- coded the turtles are.

Also @ The Great Saiyaman Do you draw often? You're pretty good!

[Powder]

We get it, Saiyaman, you make fan art. Stop pimping it in every GD thread.

[Dejablue]

Hi Powder.

Go away Powder.

[IndigoErth]

Most discourse is about how gay the turtles are. Sexuality headcanons.
*sigh* Isn't it all anymore...

worst but not least this pervasive idea that Rise Splinter is a "good" dad.
Whaa? Either they must be reading into it what they want, or they've got pretty poor judgement of what even a vaguely decent parent looks like. It's off putting enough all on it's own that he dehumanizes them, so to speak, by calling them by their designated colors and not their names. It's a wonder they even have names and know what they are. Other Splinters that were always a rat manage to be far better fathers than this previously human one.

[Andrew NDB]

To be damnably honest most fan discourse I see is on tumblr. Or an actual Rise discord (I forgot the name but its a tmnt discord mostly for Rise fans. If you want to know what it is I can find it and tell anyone curious)

Most discourse is about how gay the turtles are. Sexuality headcanons. April being 'fierce'....worst but not least this pervasive idea that Rise Splinter is a "good" dad. But mostly its about how gay- coded the turtles are.

So basically... no sound-minded discourse, then.

[Vegita-San]

Most discourse is about how gay the turtles are. Sexuality headcanons. April being 'fierce'....worst but not least this pervasive idea that Rise Splinter is a "good" dad. But mostly its about how gay- coded the turtles are.


thats about all that matters to the tumbler crowd.

Fun fact - I had no idea there where 'secret coded gay messages' in he-man until I hit the internet. I just thought it was afun/goofy action adventure series with good heart.

Silly me. guess I needed my tin foil hat.

[Rooish]

thats about all that matters to the tumbler crowd.

Fun fact - I had no idea there where 'secret coded gay messages' in he-man until I hit the internet. I just thought it was afun/goofy action adventure series with good heart.

Silly me. guess I needed my tin foil hat.

To be fair, I feel like the Turtles geta bit more gay every series. But yeah there's nothing to talk about or analyze in a 10 minute show.

[Dejablue]

thats about all that matters to the tumbler crowd.

Fun fact - I had no idea there where 'secret coded gay messages' in he-man until I hit the internet. I just thought it was afun/goofy action adventure series with good heart.

Silly me. guess I needed my tin foil hat.

Last I heard some or several of the writers of he man and she ra were gay. So I'm not surprised.

[IndigoErth]

"My sons, our destiny begins tomorrow and we are way behind." -- Splinter, Shadow of Evil, over 5 months ago.

Yup, very true. And getting truer by the day.

[MikeandRaph87]

https://screenrant.com/rise-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-show-weak-reboot/amp/

Screenrant is not thrilled with the series but hold out hope in the second season.

One thing I found common in less popular TMNT incarnations is the lack of Shredder. Perhaps it is a coincidence but it could be a factor.

[IndigoErth]

It's hard to beat an original classic villain I guess.

Personal opinion, there's been some other decent-ish ones, but also plenty of others I was never too impressed with. Sad thing is, Draxum actually has potential to be one of the better additional villains if done right, but he's being underutilized. He aught to have been in a better series that actually wants a consistently continuing and developing plot.

[shredder orokusaki]

https://screenrant.com/rise-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-show-weak-reboot/amp/

Screenrant is not thrilled with the series but hold out hope in the second season.

One thing I found common in less popular TMNT incarnations is the lack of Shredder. Perhaps it is a coincidence but it could be a factor.
It is not a concidence. It is because it is i that make the show great. It is i with my mutants and foot ninjas that we make terrible crimes and hurt and fight the turtles and humans that people want to see. They dotn want to see the turtles fighting magical creatures and mutants only like it is happeniing now. Not suprise at all that the show is failing. That why the 2016 movie as you said failed too. Because what both have in common? That i dont fight and beat the turtles . Same reason the 1993 movie failed(the movie when they travelled to japan).

[Ninja Tiptup]

I’m just gonna pop in here to say, I like it. It’s a lot of fun and I think it’s good that they did something dramatically different after 2012. I think it has a great deal of potential but it’s far from delivering on a gripping story. They also introduce a bunch of stuff that barely gets explored and that is frustrating. However, their ability to basically tell any kind of story they want, has lead to some hilarious episodes. I’m disappointed to see it get buried on Nicktoons but the stupid scheduling annoyed me enough to just buy a season pass to keep watching it, so it doesn’t really matter when it airs, at least for me. It cannot be easy for the actual target demographic to see it though.

[CyberCubed]

Why pay a subscription when you can watch the eps online for free?

[MikeandRaph87]

How are the toys selling? When looking for the 2 pack of the '87 cartoon sets I noticed a few each of two characters Meat Sweats and whatever the foot soldiers are no other characters.

[CyberCubed]

Well Toys R Us doesn't exist anymore so that alone is a huge blow.

[Poweranimals]

Well Toys R Us doesn't exist anymore so that alone is a huge blow.

Wasn't there talk of Toys R Us making a return?

[aprilsfan]

i thought it was quiet here too :)

[PApagreg]

You know its kinda ironic what most people dislike about this series are the same reason why I kinda enjoy it(except for the Leo thing the writers really dropped the ball on that one). I dunno when there are numerous of shows that have story and deep lore its just kinda nice to have an light hearted episodic action cartoon. Even when the show started I didn't mind some episodes being 11 minutes because I knew they would go over concepts that would be annoying if it was the normal 22 minute run time and it would reduce padding. I especially enjoy this incarnation of Splinter, like everyone here I didn't like him at first but as the series went on he has become one of my favorite incarnations being a mix between Johnny Cage and Peter B. Parker, April also somewhat improved and I think they did the Teenage angle much better than the previous series. The show isn't perfect I do agree that the writers could differente the turtles better and this is pretty much the worst incarnation of Leo but as a show its a decent 7/10