Crisis on Infinite Earths (Arrowverse)

[TurtleTitan97]

Didn't know where exactly to post this, so I figured I'd make a general thread for the upcoming crossover just to make it easier for people to post updates in. But any way...

Kevin Conroy has been casted for the upcoming "Crisis" crossover as Bruce Wayne. The cast of Black Lighting is also confirmed to appear: https://www.spoilertv.com/2019/08/the-cw-announces-dates-and-featured.html

So far the major guest characters we got confirmed are



Tyler Hoechlin as Earth-38 Superman

Brandon Routh as Kingdom Come Superman

Burt Ward as TBA

LaMonica Garrett as the Anti-Monitor

Jon Cryer as Lex Luthor

Tom Cavanagh as Pariah

Elizabeth Tulloch as Lois Lane

Tom Welling and Lynda Carter are also rumored to appear as Superman and Wonder Woman in the crossover

[Autbot_Benz]

I am so pumped for Kevin Conroy as Bruce Wayne. Also be cool to see how Black Lightning works with everyone else.

I hope Constantine will be a part of this. I wanna see him meet Supergirl and Team Flash.

[Hero]

I hope Justin Hartley's Green Arrow joins in.

Just as I type this. News just in.

https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/08/04/black-lightning-arrowverse-crisis-on-infinite-earths-confirmed/

[Andrew NDB]

I was already assuming everyone from all shows would be in it to some extent. Probably shouldn't be expecting anything too satisfying from any one character, though.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://t.co/YYcO5uEOFx?amp=1

Legends of Tomorrow's Jonah Hex will return in the Arrowverse's 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' crossover

[sdp]

They can get Chris O'Donnel to come back as nightwing, some other live action movie heroes that are no longer celebrities can do it.

[Autbot_Benz]

John Wesley Shipp is Earth 90's Flash in Crisis. Lets hope its a bigger role instead of the cocktease in last years crossover

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/dc/the_flash/crisis-on-infinite-earths-john-wesley-shipp-confirmed-to-return-as-earth-90-flash-jonah-hex-will-also-appear-a170486

[Autbot_Benz]

Tom Welling as Clark Kent from Smallville is in Crisis

https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/09/19/smallville-star-cast-in-crisis-on-infinite-earths/

[newfan]

Tom Welling as Clark Kent from Smallville is in Crisis

https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/09/19/smallville-star-cast-in-crisis-on-infinite-earths/

Beat me to it :) So we will get to see what happens to Smallville Clark 10-years-later, didn't expect to ever see that on TV.
How will this work with a different superman there already? (I haven't kept up fully so excuse the possible dumb question) I mean given they always still look like them in the other earth versions.

[Andrew NDB]

Tom Welling as Clark Kent from Smallville is in Crisis

Well that's pretty much what everyone (not me, but everyone else) has been waiting for.

Interesting distinction that they say he's back as Clark Kent and not Superman. "No tights, no flights" even though this is a character that by this point has already been Superman for like 10 years?

[newfan]

Interesting distinction that they say he's back as Clark Kent and not Superman. "No tights, no flights" even though this is a character that by this point has already been Superman for like 10 years?

Unless they go for the old 'that person isn't me anymore' miserable character scenario.

[Andrew NDB]

Unless they go for the old 'that person isn't me anymore' miserable character scenario.

I'm thinking this.

[Krutch]

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUOxfgxWRzmBdwm7F6/giphy.gif

[sdp]

I have a feeling they'll mess it up and none of these returning characters will be the character they played, so this is another tom welling clark who never turned into superman just how routh isn't Returns superman and shipp wasn't 90s flash in the previous crossover. Also messing up by not getting more actors, go all out with the a teen titan from the new show or doom patrol, get some one from the live action green lantern movie, I dunno, some c-list actors who would do it, fill it up like a super sentai kamen rider crossover full of past actors.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4rGZG4UcAAY1yi.jpg

get dean cain, get someone from the birds of prey show, get someone from Gotham and Krypton, go all out.

[Xav]

I have a feeling they'll mess it up and none of these returning characters will be the character they played, so this is another tom welling clark who never turned into superman just how routh isn't Returns superman and shipp wasn't 90s flash in the previous crossover.I think it was pretty clear Shipp was playing 90s Flash in the previous crossover.

[Autbot_Benz]

I think it was pretty clear Shipp was playing 90s Flash in the previous crossover.

He was 90's Flash correct he came from Earth 90

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I bet we meet the John Stewart Green Lantern version of John Diggle in this, for sure.

[ZariusTwo]

While she's been a recurring character in Supergirl as Kara's mother, Erica Durance is coming back to reprise Smallville's Lois Lane

https://deadline.com/2019/09/erica-durance-reprise-smallville-lois-lane-role-arrowverse-crossover-the-cw-1202739723/

[Autbot_Benz]

Micheal Rosenbaum was asked to be Lex in Crisis but he declined here is what he said

https://i.imgur.com/o275w4u.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Micheal Rosenbaum was asked to be Lex in Crisis but he declined here is what he said

https://i.imgur.com/o275w4u.jpg

It's good they're not sparing any expense for this. :lol:

I'm telling you... anyone expecting big things from any one of these "special guests" is going to be super disappointed.

[Vegita-San]

yeah. sadly.

It's just too short a time to get AWESOME MOMENTS from EVERYONE special they are trying to shoe horn into this thing.

I expect no more than 4 minutes at best from each special guest star. unless they are a superman.

[Andrew NDB]

yeah. sadly.

It's just too short a time to get AWESOME MOMENTS from EVERYONE special they are trying to shoe horn into this thing.

I expect no more than 4 minutes at best from each special guest star. unless they are a superman.

Plus, these episodes come out in what, a month? Two? These can't be substantial parts if they're still booking people even now.

[Autbot_Benz]

Plus, these episodes come out in what, a month? Two? These can't be substantial parts if they're still booking people even now.

December is when Crisis Starts First 3 Episodes than the final two in January

[sdp]

My expectations are set like sentai/kamen rider/power ranger crossovers, most will be a 10 second cameo with one line, but that's still cool and better than nothing, you can't possibly give so many characters a way to do something.

[cammy85]

There's always John Cryer for Lex. He rocked the role in Supergirl.

[ZariusTwo]

https://i.imgur.com/wdiB1pm.png

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.imgur.com/wdiB1pm.png

Yeah, see... it'll just be him on a farm for 10 seconds.

[CyberCubed]

Is that Tom Welling? I almost didn’t recognie him at first man did he gain weight especially in the face.

[Andrew NDB]

Is that Tom Welling? I almost didn’t recognie him at first man did he gain weight especially in the face.

He looks like Tom Welling except he's, like... a bit off. Like for this picture he's holding his breath as deep as he can (but desperately needing to breathe) while puffing out his chest.

[oldmanwinters]

He looks like Tom Welling except he's, like... a bit off. Like for this picture he's holding his breath as deep as he can (but desperately needing to breathe) while puffing out his chest.

haha, I might be guilty of that thing from time to time. :tlol:

[TurtleTitan97]

Ryan Choi will make his Arrowverse debut during Crisis: https://www.tvinsider.com/817540/osric-chau-cast-crisis-of-infinite-earths-ryan-choi-atom/

[CyberCubed]

God age is a terrible thing. I keep picturing actors the same way they were in movies/tv shows from decades ago, forgetting that like 15-20 years passed and now they're all older.

[TurtleTitan97]

Ashley Scott reprises her Birds of Prey role of Helena Kyle/Huntress for Crisis for god knows why: https://tvline.com/2019/09/26/birds-of-prey-ashley-scott-arrowverse-crossover-huntress/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[ZariusTwo]

First look at Brandon in full gear as KC Superman

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFfHW7DUwAAneZt?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Andrew NDB]

Wow, that's actually really good. Odds are pretty good if anyone is going to "do a lot of cool/meaningful stuff" of all the cameo type stuff, it's going to be him. Since he's already on the payroll.

I wonder, will this relegate Kingdom Come Superman to be the "final form" of the Donnerverse Superman?

[TurtleTitan97]

First look at Brandon in full gear as KC Superman

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFfHW7DUwAAneZt?format=jpg&name=900x900

I'm amazed at how well they nailed the costume design.

[Turo602]

Tyler Hoechlin should just not show up to set if he has to stand next to that Superman.

[Andrew NDB]

Tyler Hoechlin should just not show up to set if he has to stand next to that Superman.

He'll be too busy praising Supergirl for being the real Superman, or whatever.

[oldmanwinters]

He'll be too busy praising Supergirl for being the real Superman, or whatever.

Haha, so true.

I am loving the Routh design.

[Krutch]

I have a hunch that Welling is going to "forget his costume in the other dimension" or something.

Routh looks killer though. Great to see him suit up again. I liked Superman Returns quite a bit.

[TurtleTitan97]

Another look at KC Superman:

https://i.redd.it/ogu5e9jdx6p31.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/d/dc/Justice_Society_Vol_3_10_Textless.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130109224641

[Krutch]

Looking great!

[TurtleTitan97]

Full bodyshot has just been posted:

https://i.redd.it/t4awn6dnn7p31.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

looks like the New Atom Ryan Choi is gonna be in Crisis

https://twitter.com/OsricChau/status/1180547453541466113

Who’s ready for this crossover?
#arrowverse
#crisisoninfiniteearths
#ryanchoi
Thank you
@scoobykoo!

[Autbot_Benz]

This is Allegedly from Crisis

https://i.imgur.com/LNwBhjb.jpg

[MikeandRaph87]

www.cbr.com/crisis-burt-ward-dc-hero-arrowverse-debut/amp/

Burt Ward on Arrowverse set. Elderly Dick Grayson and Ace The Bathound? Retired likely, but did he ever don the Bat cowl?

[Andrew NDB]

This is Allegedly from Crisis

https://i.imgur.com/LNwBhjb.jpg

Underwhelming but kind of neat.

www.cbr.com/crisis-burt-ward-dc-hero-arrowverse-debut/amp/

Burt Ward on Arrowverse set. Elderly Dick Grayson and Ace The Bathound? Retired likely, but did he ever don the Bat cowl?

Good question. Maybe he became some 60s version of Nightwing?

[MikeandRaph87]

Underwhelming but kind of neat.



Good question. Maybe he became some 60s version of Nightwing?

If Batman '66 comics are inspiration it is possible since he did in a time jump to interact with Wonder Woman '77.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://batman-news.com/2019/10/13/robert-wuhl-and-justin-hartley-reportedly-join-crisis-on-infinite-earths/

Cameos from Justin Hartley as Oliver Queen and Robert Wuhl as Alexander Knox from batman 1989

[Leo656]

I imagine they paid Robert Wuhl in potato salad. :lol::lol::lol:

[Andrew NDB]

The Anti-Monitor reveal:

https://ew.com/tv/2019/10/16/crisis-infinite-earths-anti-monitor-lamonica-garrett-photo-arrowverse/

I was expecting something a little more faithful than that, with how close they got the Monitor.

[Autbot_Benz]

Stephen Lobo will be Jim Corrigan aka Spectre in Crisis. Kinda wish it was the same guy from the Constantine series Emmett Scanlan but whatever

https://collider.com/crisis-on-infinite-earths-the-spectre-stephen-lobo/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

[MikeandRaph87]

The most intriguing thing is it is adapting a storyline in which the biggest victims were Barry Allen and pre-crisis Supergirl, the headliners of the second and third show in this continuity.

Also, I hope Earth-2 Robin will not be deemed a doppleganger that did not transition and have a dark spirit take him out like in COIE. come on Burt!

[Autbot_Benz]

First Look at Kevin Conroy. He is Kingdom Come Bruce Wayne
https://i.imgur.com/XpGZWUa.jpg

[ZariusTwo]

Guggenhiem confirms Brandon's Superman is also Christopher Reeve's version

https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/1195795757753700352?s=20

[newfan]

Teaser/Trailer Just popped up on twitter https://twitter.com/CW_Arrow/status/1198647468596113408

[Andrew NDB]

First Look at Kevin Conroy. He is Kingdom Come Bruce Wayne
https://i.imgur.com/XpGZWUa.jpg

I'm glad they took this as a chance to throw him a bone and probably on the cheap... but c'mon.

Guggenhiem confirms Brandon's Superman is also Christopher Reeve's version

https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/1195795757753700352?s=20

Which is the opposite of what they said originally. But I'm fine with it. He can be one and the same as both (KC Superman and Donner Superman). That's way more interesting to me.

[Leo656]

I'm glad they took this as a chance to throw him a bone and probably on the cheap... but c'mon.



Which is the opposite of what they said originally. But I'm fine with it. He can be one and the same as both (KC Superman and Donner Superman). That's way more interesting to me.

Yeah, really. A nice token gesture but even as an "older" version, the guy looks about as much like "Bruce Wayne" as I do. As in, "not at all, not even a little bit." BUT, that's the kind of "cheap pop" the people who actually enjoy these shows consistently pee themselves over.

Same thing with the Routh/Reeve thing. I can squint and believe that Routh was playing Reeve's Superman in "Superman Returns", that isn't much of a stretch. But NOW we're supposed to believe that the Reeve/Routh films ALSO had about a billion other super-beings existing within them, "just offscreen", something that is never, ever, ever, EVER even hinted at, but yet has to be the case for those films to organically lead to the "Kingdom Come" timeline. Like sure, suspend disbelief, and just accept that either the entire DC Pantheon of characters existed just off to the side of the camera in those films, OR that a ton of stuff must have happened after the end credits of "Returns", but man, those are some big logical loopholes to jump through for something that is essentially just fan-wank. They can SAY it's the same character and universe but it's up to the viewer entirely to explain how that works. And that's pretty silly.

Like it's "nice" but it doesn't really add or subtract anything. In fact it probably hurts a few things. Like, if Routh is Reeve, and those movies are canon to the Kingdom Come timeline, then... Jesus, Superman sure just kinda up and quits on being Superman a lot, doesn't he? I mean between Superman II, "Returns", and then him going off to pout once Magog shows up, that's at least three times when the self-appointed "protector of humanity" decides to take his ball and go home for nebulous reasons.

That's how you can tell they didn't really put any thought into it, and are just jacking people off. "Is KC Superman the same as Reeve?" "....Uh... Is that what you want? If I say 'yes' then will you definitely watch the show?" :lol:

Silly. Nice gesture but falls apart the second anyone thinks about it.

[Andrew NDB]

Like it's "nice" but it doesn't really add or subtract anything. In fact it probably hurts a few things. Like, if Routh is Reeve, and those movies are canon to the Kingdom Come timeline, then... Jesus, Superman sure just kinda up and quits on being Superman a lot, doesn't he? I mean between Superman II, "Returns", and then him going off to pout once Magog shows up, that's at least three times when the self-appointed "protector of humanity" decides to take his ball and go home for nebulous reasons.

That's a really good point. That's a whole lot of quitting indeed. To use a wrestling metaphor... it's like, what's better? Being WWE champion 10 times and holding the belt for two or three weeks each time... or being a WWE champion and holding it like 5 times, a year each?

But obviously this is just "bonus round" sh**. If you do any sort of marathon watch of popping in Superman I, Superman II, Superman III, Superman Returns, and then pop in some kind of megacut of the new CW "Crisis on Infinite Earths," it will make about as much sense as a bag of pringles. I'm fairly sure, at least.

[Leo656]

Superman III isn't canon to "Returns".

In fact, it's barely even canon to II and IV. :lol:

I get what you mean though.

[Andrew NDB]

Superman III isn't canon to "Returns".

In fact, it's barely even canon to II and IV. :lol:

I get what you mean though.

Eh, it's "take it or leave it," really (I'd say leave it, but it's whatever). How does III not work with anything else?

[Leo656]

Mostly just because it's Word Of God, I guess. Albeit not everyone who saw "Returns" was fully aware of the in-universe backstory anyway. But it was spoken by the powers-that-be that Lois's son had been conceived with Clark during Superman II, and that he went into space looking for Krypton very shortly afterwards. It's also heavily implied that he wouldn't have gone anywhere if he'd known Lois was pregnant, and obviously feels bad about it but doesn't know how to broach the subject. Since he didn't know she was pregnant, he must have gone into space within a few weeks after the second film. It's vague how soon III takes place after II, but one imagines that at least several months have passed, and they speak of the events of I taking place "years ago". I and II canonically happen not too far apart, so once you get into all of that, if Lois isn't either pregnant or a mother by the time III takes place, then it doesn't fit within the same timeline as "Returns".

I mean, yeah, a person can squint and make it fit if they wanted to, but it's ultimately pointless. III doesn't add anything significant to the timeline other than, "And one time he got migraine-drunk and beat himself up in a junkyard." Since the creators of SR went so far as to say, "III doesn't exist within this timeline," I don't see why anyone would try and force it. Gus Gorman and Ross The Boss aren't exactly Luthor and Brainiac, y'know?

The timeline where III and IV happened can be the "Suck Timeline". Where Superman got outwitted by Richard Pryor and then kitty-scratched to near-death by a bodybuilder. :lol: Why would anyone ever fight to keep those things canon? :trazz:

[ZariusTwo]

Eh, it's "take it or leave it," really (I'd say leave it, but it's whatever). How does III not work with anything else?

Clark's mother is dead in Superman III, where as she's alive in Superman Returns

[Leo656]

Yes, also that. :lol: Thanks for pitching in, I was dog-tired last night.

[Andrew NDB]

Clark's mother is dead in Superman III, where as she's alive in Superman Returns

Oh yeah... that's pretty damning, isn't it?

[Leo656]

By far the best part of Superman III was Annette O'Toole as Lana.

She'd be gettin' plenty O'Toole from me, that's fer sure. Hah hah hah, HI-YOOOOO. :tgrin:

She still has pretty nice boobs.

[Andrew NDB]

The only super attractive lady in Superman stuff is Kristin Kreuk. Amazing. She was the only reason I gave that show a shot (not much of a shot, but I did try). She looks the same as she did in season 1 while everyone else "melted."

I'd even let her brand me like they do in that sex cult she was a part of, or whatever.

[Leo656]

Whaaaaaat. She's a beanpole. If there was anyone f*ckable on that awful show it was whatsername who played Lois. Although the chick who played Supergirl was also pretty hot.

And you're thinking of Alison Mack with the sex cult. Who I would mack indeed, or at least back then. Not looking quite so fit these days. And I'm sure she'll acquire a taste for fur-burger in prison, so I'm probably not her type anyway. :lol:

Annette O'Toole has big hooters, I respect that. Plus older chicks kinda rev my engine.

[Andrew NDB]

And you're thinking of Alison Mack with the sex cult. Who I would mack indeed, or at least back then. Not looking quite so fit these days.

No, she was in it, too.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4115037/kristen-kreuk-allison-mack-sex-trafficking-cult/

[Leo656]

Can't click links at work. But I swore I heard she was never in very deep and cut ties before she could do anything indictable.

And the name I couldn't think of before was "Erica Durance". Seen plenty of nudes on her. Great stuff.

I hate when I can't think of something, and then it just hits me while I'm scratching my ass or something.

Kristen Kruek never got nude so she can f*ck right off, both for that and that terrible Chun-Li movie. Which I fully admit to holding a grudge about.

[Autbot_Benz]

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[Andrew NDB]

As much as I really loathe the current state of Arrow, Flash and Legends (Supergirl and Batwoman don't register for me) that looks really, really good.

[Autbot_Benz]

As much as I really loathe the current state of Arrow, Flash and Legends (Supergirl and Batwoman don't register for me) that looks really, really good.

The Crossovers have yet to disappoint Crisis on Earth X and Elseworlds I thought were really good too

[Andrew NDB]

The Crossovers have yet to disappoint Crisis on Earth X and Elseworlds I thought were really good too

Crisis on Earth-X was awesome. Elseworlds was less... cohesive or riveting, but still a decent showing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

As much as I really loathe the current state of Arrow, Flash and Legends (Supergirl and Batwoman don't register for me) that looks really, really good.

Damn, you're not wrong...

[ZariusTwo]

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[MikeandRaph87]

Do we know which installment that Burt Ward is going to appear yet?

[Autbot_Benz]

Tonight we saw

Earth-89 Alexander Knox was reading a newspaper that said Batman caught the joker. they also played the danny elfman theme. Also the bat signal was lit and he said hope your watching big guy.

Earth 66 had Burt Ward as Dick Grayson.

Also we saw the earth with Titans Jason Todd and Hawk.

[MikeandRaph87]

Tonight we saw

Earth-89 Alexander Knox was reading a newspaper that said Batman caught the joker. they also played the danny elfman theme. Also the bat signal was lit and he said hope your watching big guy.

Earth 66 had Burt Ward as Dick Grayson.

Also we saw the earth with Titans Jason Todd and Hawk.

Here it is.
https://www.cbr.com/crisis-infinite-earths-titans-cameo/amp/

[Andrew NDB]

I like how they made sure and show Cuckman give up/run out of juice with the heat vision long before Supergirl did.

And about the Batman 89 bit... am I the only one confused by the headline of that magazine? Batman killed the Joker in that universe 30 years ago. We saw it.

[MikeandRaph87]

They are not dead, but seeing the coming danger of The Anti-Monitor, right? Titans is ongoing which would support it. As much as I am in favor of a dead Jason Todd that would put Burt Ward's Dick Grayson in the same category. We only got 12 seconds of Burt. I guess I can understand Michael Rosenbaum's reaction to the offer. The legend of yesterday deserves better treatment.

[Autbot_Benz]

Man Seeing Kevin Conroy as Bruce in Crisis is so cool. After years of being the animated voice he gets to actually play him in real life.
Also Routh's Kingdom Come Superman is awesome.

[Leo656]

What are the odds, y'think, that they're gonna do a disc release of just the cross-over?

Independently all these shows are terrible, so I never know when they're on and we haven't bothered to DVR them, but I'm sure I'll want to check out just this "event" at some point for ha-has. I'm also not a thief, so don't suggest "just go online lolz". But I'd probably be willing to pay $20 or so if they put out a simple "Crisis Cross-Over" set.

I mean, they have to, right? They can't reasonably expect people to pick up the Season box sets of each individual show just to have all the parts of the cross-over. Remind me, what'd they do the last time they had one of these things?

It's like I'm mildly curious to see Routh, but literally everything else is between "Don't Care" and "REALLY Don'T Care" on my radar.

[Autbot_Benz]

What are the odds, y'think, that they're gonna do a disc release of just the cross-over?

Independently all these shows are terrible, so I never know when they're on and we haven't bothered to DVR them, but I'm sure I'll want to check out just this "event" at some point for ha-has. I'm also not a thief, so don't suggest "just go online lolz". But I'd probably be willing to pay $20 or so if they put out a simple "Crisis Cross-Over" set.

I mean, they have to, right? They can't reasonably expect people to pick up the Season box sets of each individual show just to have all the parts of the cross-over. Remind me, what'd they do the last time they had one of these things?

It's like I'm mildly curious to see Routh, but literally everything else is between "Don't Care" and "REALLY Don'T Care" on my radar.

no if its anything like Earth X they will put all crossover episodes on every Season of the current run of Flash Arrow Legends etc. If you wanna wait they will be on the CW website for streaming. I know Episode 1 is up. They usually add new episodes the day after they air. So Episode 2 should be up Tuesday and Episode 3 on wednesday

[Leo656]

Thanks, I figured it would be something like that, although you gotta figure a budget-priced "Crisis" disc would do well towards people who don't normally watch these shows.

Like, I don't care what's been going on with "Flash" since Season 2 so I'm less inclined to pick that up, even if Season ___ will have the entire Crisis cross-over on it. But I'd almost certainly pick up a disc that was specifically just the cross-over and nothing else, because I either hate/don't care about these shows.

I also prefer not to stream because our connection is spotty as hell, given we pretty much live by the woods. Physical media or nothing, for me.

Anyways, thanks.


And about the Batman 89 bit... am I the only one confused by the headline of that magazine? Batman killed the Joker in that universe 30 years ago. We saw it.

I think it should have been obvious from the jump with this project that the point was Nostalgia Fuzzies, not consistency. :trazz:

I mean they have whatsisname from the cartoon show playing "Bruce Wayne" even though I probably look more like "Bruce Wayne" than he does (and I look nothing like Bruce Wayne). Kinda obvious what they're going for in the big picture. Nostalgia Fuzzies and 'Member Berries. "Making sense" is not a big priority.

I'm hearing good things about Routh, though. Wouldn't that just be f*cking bizarre if out of this whole deal, the biggest impact would be him getting another big-screen shot at Superman? :lol: I much prefer Cavill, but I wouldn't necessarily be upset. Not banking on it, but stranger things have happened. And Routh as Kingdom Come Superman is the one thing I've heard people consistently praise so far about this project.

[Autbot_Benz]

Thanks, I figured it would be something like that, although you gotta figure a budget-priced "Crisis" disc would do well towards people who don't normally watch these shows.

Like, I don't care what's been going on with "Flash" since Season 2 so I'm less inclined to pick that up, even if Season ___ will have the entire Crisis cross-over on it. But I'd almost certainly pick up a disc that was specifically just the cross-over and nothing else, because I either hate/don't care about these shows.

I also prefer not to stream because our connection is spotty as hell, given we pretty much live by the woods. Physical media or nothing, for me.

Anyways, thanks.

here is Kingdom Come Superman Leo

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[Leo656]

Thanks.

Man... terrible dialogue, the dame they got for Lois is wretched, and "Welcome Back To 1993 Syndicated TV" with that CGI. :lol: Routh did the best he could with the material, and it's obvious that he's enjoying himself, but man... I really wish almost anyone but the CW was making these things. They might turn out actually, y'know, good.

And now we're back to debating whether or not Superman III happened within the "Returns" timeline thanks to that throw-away line by Routh at the end of that clip. Oy! Damn CW hacks. :tgrumble:

Anyways, thanks. That clip pretty much confirms what I was afraid of and have been hearing: Routh good, everything else "Meh".

[Andrew NDB]

Thanks.

Man... terrible dialogue, the dame they got for Lois is wretched, and "Welcome Back To 1993 Syndicated TV" with that CGI. :lol: Routh did the best he could with the material, and it's obvious that he's enjoying himself, but man... I really wish almost anyone but the CW was making these things. They might turn out actually, y'know, good.

And now we're back to debating whether or not Superman III happened within the "Returns" timeline thanks to that throw-away line by Routh at the end of that clip. Oy! Damn CW hacks. :tgrumble:

Anyways, thanks. That clip pretty much confirms what I was afraid of and have been hearing: Routh good, everything else "Meh".

Yeah... I was looking forward to this and I enjoyed last year's crossover even if not as much as the one before it. Seems like budgets and writing quality has taken a stark dive.

They're just throwing too much stuff out there too quickly in this for any of it to register or matter. Like the Phantom Wraiths or whatever in the first episode. If we don't even know what they are (are they corporeal? does smacking them really "kill" them? what are they?) then we don't care.

[ZariusTwo]

Isn't Marv Wolfman himself co-writing this event? It would explain the even cheesier stuff, guy's a product of his time (that said, that "Man and Superman" story he released this year after holding it back a decade was the best Superman story of 2019)

[CyberCubed]

Why did Tom Welling get so fat and out of shape? Smallville didn’t end that long ago, he looked so weird.

Kevin Conroy in live action was cool but I wish he played a normal older man Bruce Wayne. Maybe we’ll see him do more live action now since he’s old enough to play Bruce from Batman Beyond. We just need Terry.

[Jester]

Yeah... I was looking forward to this and I enjoyed last year's crossover even if not as much as the one before it. Seems like budgets and writing quality has taken a stark dive.

They're just throwing too much stuff out there too quickly in this for any of it to register or matter. Like the Phantom Wraiths or whatever in the first episode. If we don't even know what they are (are they corporeal? does smacking them really "kill" them? what are they?) then we don't care.
That's about where I'm at so far. The best episode so far is Black Lightning....and it's not even technically part of the crossover.

[TommyT]

Thanks.

Man... terrible dialogue, the dame they got for Lois is wretched, and "Welcome Back To 1993 Syndicated TV" with that CGI. :lol: Routh did the best he could with the material, and it's obvious that he's enjoying himself, but man... I really wish almost anyone but the CW was making these things. They might turn out actually, y'know, good.

And now we're back to debating whether or not Superman III happened within the "Returns" timeline thanks to that throw-away line by Routh at the end of that clip. Oy! Damn CW hacks. :tgrumble:

Anyways, thanks. That clip pretty much confirms what I was afraid of and have been hearing: Routh good, everything else "Meh".


When Bat in the Sun is making better content than the official show, time to hang up them capes.

I've never really tried to watch an entire episode of this "verse".

It's like if the Asylum gave up sharks for superheroes. Pretending Routh is Reeve, is all kinds of wrong.

[Autbot_Benz]

That's about where I'm at so far. The best episode so far is Black Lightning....and it's not even technically part of the crossover.

Black Lightning is always good. its a shame so many people don't watch it.

[AquaParade]

This sort of seems like the antithesis to what I want out of on-screen comicbook adaptions.
It looks like Endgame without the loveable characters, clever dialogue, and impressive spectacle.

- Ignorant non-viewer.

[Autbot_Benz]

well tonight Black Lightning meets the other characters and hopefully Earth 90 Flash has more than a 5 second cameo this time around.

[Vegita-San]

So, I saw the first one finally.

no reason for batwoman to be there.. yet.

No idea who half these characters are. girl in white suite that knows arrow. stargirl like character helping the monitor.
Alien Lizard at the start.
Argo? when did that become a thing in Live action?

Psychic guy called brainy?

It was all a little harder to follow than some of the earlier crossovers.

Also, it seems they traded old man superman in the comic for old man arrow from an alternate earth.

All in all, I guess it wasn't a bad first episode. but, it felt really really rushed.

Who was the character who said 'I hope you're watching big guy?' in bat universe 1?

[Autbot_Benz]

So, I saw the first one finally.

no reason for batwoman to be there.. yet.

No idea who half these characters are. girl in white suite that knows arrow. stargirl like character helping the monitor.


Who was the character who said 'I hope you're watching big guy?' in bat universe 1?

1. That girl in white suit is Captain Sara Lance she started as Oliver's Girlfriend than first black Canary in the first seasons of Arrow and than became a member of Legends of Tomorrow where she is currently captain of the waverider.
1.5 the person helping the moniter was Diggle's Wife Lyla.
2. that guy was Alexander Knox from 89 batman movie he was always trying to get a scoop on Batman no matter what and he had the hots for Vicki Vale.

you should have been watching all the Arrowverse shows since this is the huge pay off of them all. Its no wonder your confused.

[Vegita-San]

I don't have any problem with part 2. The ONLY things I didn't: The stupid Kane stuff. I don't mind a dark bruce wayne. that's entirely possible that his villains drove him mad over time. what I didn't like was the 'bat of the future' nonsense. They are trying best to prop this character up and it's failing miserably. you don't sacrifice one for another.



The gas poisened Daily Planet. It was a REALLY cheap way to have an excuse not to show his expanded staff. All they had to say was 'they retired and clark bought the place'.

Also, the Tom Welling stuff.....something emotional about that. he STILL does a great job at the role. and I wouldn't be surprised if it gives him the idea 'maybe I should come back somehow'.....and his scene did have great writing. I wish he said something along the lines of 'i'm using blue kryptonite to get rid of my powers'....rather than ditch them altogether. but, considering welling didn't want to be in the cape to start with.... it was a fitting end to that story.

All in all, it's not too bad so far. minus the totally useless kat kane character.

[Andrew NDB]

The gas poisened Daily Planet. It was a REALLY cheap way to have an excuse not to show his expanded staff. All they had to say was 'they retired and clark bought the place'.

They're semi-adapting Kingdom Come. In that, we do learn that the Daily Planet was gassed by the Joker and Perry and Jimmy and Lois all died as a result. Only difference there was that Clark went into self-exile into a farm space station, not take over the Daily Planet.

And yeah... "whoops" on the Superman III reference.

Also, the Tom Welling stuff.....something emotional about that.

Played pretty flat to me. Mildly enjoyed him punching Lex, but that's all. How come they used the "Smallville" theme song in last year's event but don't use it here, now that they actually have Tom Welling?

This event is just turning out to be so spastic. Like there was a million writers in the writer's room and no one with a cohesive plan.

[MikeandRaph87]

So Burt Ward and Kevin Conroy had my interest in this project, but I was confused about who exactly Brandon Routh is supposed to be. Is he Superman Returns Superman who is also Christopher Reeve Superman or is he Kingdom Come Superman? Hard to think DC would want to crap on Superman and Superman II by having Joker kill the Daily Planet employment.

[IMJ]

I'm not a fan of the SJW-verse.... errrr Arrowverse because of those underlying tones, but if this was edited into a single flick and released as a movie of some kind there's a 100% chance that I'd get a copy.

[Andrew NDB]

So Burt Ward and Kevin Conroy had my interest in this project, but I was confused about who exactly Brandon Routh is supposed to be. Is he Superman Returns Superman who is also Christopher Reeve Superman or is he Kingdom Come Superman? Hard to think DC would want to crap on Superman and Superman II by having Joker kill the Daily Planet employment.

Yes, he is Superman Returns Superman (he even name drops his son, Jason) who is also Christopher Reeve Superman who is now also a version of the Kingdom Come Superman. All of those things together.

I'm not a fan of the SJW-verse.... errrr Arrowverse because of those underlying tones, but if this was edited into a single flick and released as a movie of some kind there's a 100% chance that I'd get a copy.

This doesn't seem to be working as a standalone thing like previous events did. My wife walked in the room and was able to watch and enjoy "Crisis on Earth X" without having seen anything else... I don't think she'd be able to with this. Not really.

[MikeandRaph87]

Yes, he is Superman Returns Superman (he even name drops his son, Jason) who is also Christopher Reeve Superman who is now also a version of the Kingdom Come Superman. All of those things together.

Okay so Christopher Reeve eventually becomes Kingdom Come Superman. I feel like that is a bad thing because of the high respect that I have for the actor and the film itself even if I am more of a Batfan. He cannot always reverse the rotation of Earth to travel back and save the day I suppose. Trying to sort it out reminds me of Rita Repulsa's catchphrase.

[sdp]

Okay so Christopher Reeve eventually becomes Kingdom Come Superman. I feel like that is a bad thing because of the high respect that I have for the actor and the film itself even if I am more of a Batfan. He cannot always reverse the rotation of Earth to travel back and save the day I suppose. Trying to sort it out reminds me of Rita Repulsa's catchphrase.

Superman Returns is an alternate universe of Reeve's Superman really, the main timeline remains untainted, you can continue to have your original Reeve's Superman timeline of Superman 1-4+Supergirl.

[Andrew NDB]

lol... the rumors were true.

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[IMJ]

Yes, he is Superman Returns Superman (he even name drops his son, Jason) who is also Christopher Reeve Superman who is now also a version of the Kingdom Come Superman. All of those things together.



This doesn't seem to be working as a standalone thing like previous events did. My wife walked in the room and was able to watch and enjoy "Crisis on Earth X" without having seen anything else... I don't think she'd be able to with this. Not really.

I saw the Superman (Routh) vs Superman (that short guy) fight on YouTube. It looked like T.V. grade material for sure.

I haven't followed it too closely, but it was my understanding that there were a few end-of-episode scenes of lead-in here or there, and that everything unfolds across the related episodes. So what have you seen that stops "someone" from editing the crossover episodes together into an easily digested "movie"? Admittedly, I haven't watched an Arrowverse episode since, I think shortly after Supergirl Season 2 and Flash Season 3 were airing....

[Leo656]

People who keep begging for Tom Welling to do more Superman stuff make me roll my eyes because they always overlook the critical factor: Tom Welling hates Superman and only ever took the gig for a paycheck (along with the promise that he'd never actually play Superman).

Frankly, I never cared for him and I would much rather see the role go to an actor who has the appropriate respect and appreciation for the role. Routh and Cavill literally fought for years to get the part and for each of them it was the culmination of a lifelong dream. I don't care about Welling's pouty lips and sculpted cheekbones, if he's only ever done it for the money and hates the character so much, he's got no business being rewarded for his apathy. There's literally hundreds of guys who would kill to play Superman and would likely do a much better job.

[Andrew NDB]

So I'm trying to understand the logic of part 3. The Earth-90 Flash says that the Anti-Monitor built a fail safe into his anti-matter generating treadmill that if he ever stopped running on it, all of the Earths would be wiped out.

Um. Isn't that what the Anti-Monitor wants to do anyway? Why wouldn't he just want him to stop running so everything quickly goes away? Saves a lot of time.

[newfan]

lol... the rumors were true.

DrpFVWli-rY

That was a surprise to me this morning. Not airing here just yet so I will have to wait a week or two maybe, I love that they are doing a lot of cameos but so far does it seem like it makes the eps feel crammed or have they managed to do it without that happening?

[TommyT]

This is possibly the worst way to give fans what they apparently wanted. Such a ****ing **** show.

[AquaParade]

I want Zoola- Ben Stiller as Superman and The Rock as Batman.

[TommyT]

It might was well be hand puppets.

[Vegita-San]

regarding smallville theme.

I think they made a mistake with that and played it for the NEW Supergirl superman once. it'd be confusing if they played it for the real tom welling superman.

Also, didn't they use smallvilles 'battle theme' for the superman fight with short superman?

[IMJ]

So basically many of these characters making cameos so far really are just that - cameos. They show up and are rendered useless for the most part, but have no greater role in a battle or coming together on screen in a "universe" shot or anything like that?

[Andrew NDB]

That was a surprise to me this morning. Not airing here just yet so I will have to wait a week or two maybe, I love that they are doing a lot of cameos but so far does it seem like it makes the eps feel crammed or have they managed to do it without that happening?

I wouldn't say "crammed." More that they "go nowhere" and are abysmally poorly written. Like this "paragon" business. The whole Multiverse, trillions upon trillions of people and superheroes, and Batwoman is the "Paragon of Courage" because she stood up to an evil Batman for like 2 minutes?

So basically many of these characters making cameos so far really are just that - cameos. They show up and are rendered useless for the most part, but have no greater role in a battle or coming together on screen in a "universe" shot or anything like that?

Well, we'll have to see. They were talking about "we'll get 3 Supermen on the screen at the same time" a few months back and we haven't seen that happen yet... so who knows, maybe there will be surprises in the last two parts. Like, Welling gets his powers back and joins the fight in-suit at a critical moment.

[Vegita-San]

OK,

Part 3:

Wow. The Wraith stuff. I thought those where the beings that existed in the speed force?

- Lucifer. I remember liking the pilot, but didn't stick around for the show. supernatural shows have a tendacy to get cancelled early.

- The Treadmill part.. wow, bad writing. Made ZERO sense and only existed to give papa flash a thing to do. as Andrew pointed out, it made zero sense to the monitors plan. But they could have fixed that with one simple line. the monitor needed the speed force energy to make his own universe. Just bad writing that felt rushed.


- This new lex is an interesting take. he doesn't feel threatening, but he IS fun to watch.

- They spoiled Vibe's return power with Barry's future vision.


I kind of think this will all end with either everyone on one earth....or with limited earths. I also think that we'll see welling in the suit at the end somehow. if Monitor can restore vibes powers...

[Krutch]

Haven't watched any of it but I did YouTube the Smallville stuff.

Was nice to see Tom and Erica again - And was it just me or did Tom make a choice to act very John Schneider like? If that was a choice, I thought it was a nice touch. But you can never tell with Tom's acting if he's being clever or just... off.

From a writing stand point it would only make sense for Clark to return and help in the big finale. Otherwise, this scene is the definition of gratuitous. But then again I've heard a lot of the cameos thus far have been, so, who knows. Tom's attitude about Smallville and Superman has changed alot in the past couple years, mostly due to Rosenbaum's encouragement to engage the fanbase and hit the convention scene with him.

As far as the "I gave up my powers" to live an apple pie life on the farm, that tracks for me. Smallville Clark's journey was all about rebelling against - not embracing - his destiny. Not that he didn't want to save people and do what's right, but that he believed in freedom and making your own destiny, not following what others have laid out for you. So if he wanted to hang his cape after only a few years, so be it.

Besides, we don't know what caused him to give up his powers. Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow ends with Superman giving up his powers and that's one of my favourite stories.

But yeah, if Tom or Erica reappear I'll pop back in but I just don't have the time or willpower to push through any of these shows anymore.

[Leo656]

Yeah, but in "Whatever Happened To..." it was a self-imposed penance for killing someone (which was also an entirely justifiable act considering the alternative, but that's another ball of wax). He didn't just up and decide that the job was a drag and decide to hang it up or anything like that. That's never been who Clark Kent is. Like he told Lois in one of the issues Jurgens wrote in 1991, when she asked him why he embraced the obligation of being Superman, even though he could do absolutely anything else with his life: "Because no one else can."

"Whatever Happened To..." is a great story, though. I've just always been kinda iffy on the ending, poignant as it may be. I'm just not comfortable with stories that imply Clark would ever willingly walk away from his self-appointed (and it IS self-appointed) duty, since he knows how important it is. Even in Kingdom Come, his retirement was clearly written to be a huge mistake and the thing that eventually led to a huge disaster.

I'unno. He's not a quitter, and he'd never put his own happiness or comfort ahead of the greater good. He'd never be able to live with it. That's why I personally prefer "For The Man Who Has Everything", if we're gonna talk about Alan Moore writing Superman. :tgrin:

Also, the fact that he only wrote those two Superman stories is tragic, ain't it? At least we got that much, seeing as how they're two of the best ever written.

[sdp]

No dean cain anything? Seems like a big omission.

[Leo656]

No dean cain anything? Seems like a big omission.

He's an outspoken conservative, so I'm betting they never even gave him a phone call.

[IMJ]

No dean cain anything? Seems like a big omission.

God I forgot all about that... that's true....

He's an outspoken conservative, so I'm betting they never even gave him a phone call.

God I forgot all about that... that's true....

[Andrew NDB]

Yep. "We want to bring in everybody we can... unless you agree with the other half of the country. Then you're scum!"

[oldmanwinters]

He's an outspoken conservative, so I'm betting they never even gave him a phone call.

That was always my assumption.

[Xav]

He's an outspoken conservative, so I'm betting they never even gave him a phone call.But he appeared on the show before as Supergirl's dad.

[oldmanwinters]

But he appeared on the show before as Supergirl's dad.

Which makes it even more egregious!

[sdp]

That sucks, seems like speculation if he already did appear but whatever could be plausible in today's political climate. Who cares what actors say in social media whether it's dean cain or brie larson, both political agendas and raging about what they said is ridiculous, and I see it everywhere from both sides and yet both complain of the other when they're pretty much doing the same crap.

Chris O'Donell is another big omission, couldn't have been expensive to bring him over, anyone from the failed DCEU would've been good as well. I also don't care if all they're getting is a 5 second cameo, that itself makes it an awesome crossover already.

[Autbot_Benz]

Chris O'Donell is another big omission, couldn't have been expensive to bring him over, anyone from the failed DCEU would've been good as well. I also don't care if all they're getting is a 5 second cameo, that itself makes it an awesome crossover already.

https://i.imgur.com/mIKkBLu.gif

Crisis doesn't need a cameo from his forgettable version Whiny Dick Grayson.

[Leo656]

But he appeared on the show before as Supergirl's dad.

Yes he did, BUT, sometime after the end of Season 1 he was in the headlines for something, I forget what, but it had to do with his "controversial" political views. I don't remember what it was, I just remember shaking my head about it because whatever he had said didn't seem like a big deal to me at all. But he was dropped from the show shortly after and hasn't been back.

I, personally, do not believe in coincidence.

[Andrew NDB]

Is it this?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tom-arnold-gets-heated-exchange-pro-trump-superman-actor-dean-cain-1150718

[Leo656]

No, that's a little bit too recent, but I remember hearing about that as well.

Also, f*ck Tom Arnold. Guy's a proven piece of sh*t, up to and including keeping Roseanne on an astronomical amount of coke during their marriage, because he was a huge addict and that's what addicts do, they turn people around them into junkies so they can feel better about themselves and manipulate those people easier. He's admitted to it. How dare he of all people pretend to have any moral authority over anyone? He's trash.

Anyway, I'm sure that incident didn't help but I think whatever it was Dean said was at least a year before that. Like the only thing anyone talks about regarding him anymore is, "Wow, Dean Cain, what a monster, huh?" And I think that's a shame. He seems like a perfectly decent guy and he's actually one of my favorite Superman actors. His Clark Kent was impeccable.

[Vegita-San]

I saw the James Bond spoof flash ep.

my god that was bad.

Poor Cecil....an arc that meant nothing.

[Autbot_Benz]

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[Jester]

These last 2 episodes better be good, because the build up in the last 3 was "Meh..." and we've been waiting a month...

[Andrew NDB]

These last 2 episodes better be good, because the build up in the last 3 was "Meh..." and we've been waiting a month...

Agreed. I was expecting some great things from this crossover after wading through some pretty terrible CW seasons of late and have been colossally let down.

[Autbot_Benz]

The DC Movie verse is part of Crisis Ezra Miller's Flash comes face to face with Grant Gustin's flash

[oldmanwinters]

I didn't much attention to this but the Hall of Justice puts a smile on my face. Gleeful like a monkey!

[Andrew NDB]

I didn't much attention to this but the Hall of Justice puts a smile on my face. Gleeful like a monkey!

Didn't they give us the Hall of Justice like 2 or 3 mega-crossovers ago? At the end? And then they never used it again?

[Autbot_Benz]

They showed a bunch of different earths at the end. Which showed Swamp Thing Titans Stargirl Superman Returns and OA and the Lanterns.

[Jester]

And if I remember right Titans and Doom Patrol are 2 separate universes, despite there being crossovers there too.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeesh... finished this up today. Definitely some fleeting "moments" in here (none of them meshing organically with the whole)... but this wasn't good. This was cheap and corny and poorly written and stitched together.

The two big battle royales... the first one fought in kind of a muddy plain with bumps that's supposed to be the Anti-Matter Universe. The second, in what looks like a big empty parking lot -- compare this to the big sets in "Crisis on Earth-X" a few years back. And Giant Anti-Monitor looked appallingly bad and PS2 FMV-like, even compared to the giant CGI stuff Legends of Tomorrow was doing like 4 years ago.

Making Oliver the Spectre didn't really pay off enough, either. I mean, it did in the sense that it enabled him to believably "fight" the Anti-Monitor... but he never seemed like the Spectre. And just when we kind of start to understand him as it... dead.

Was it just me, or did Superman himself only speak about 3 words the whole last couple of episodes? His whole thing in the last episode -- and I shouldn't be surprised -- was to become imperiled by the Anti-Monitor so that Supergirl was preparing to sacrifice herself to save him. And the ending with the female president telling us about the "brave women and men"... c'mon.

I liked the unifying of the CW worlds, that was smart and well handled. Though you can kind of see where they're positioning things going forward. After Flash ends, it's going to be...

Supergirl: Female lead, strong LGTBQ presence.

Batwoman: LGBTQ female lead.

Black Lightning: Black lead, strong LGBTQ presence.

Legends of Tomorrow: Diversity, Inc.

Superman & Lois: Unless everything we've ever seen with this Superman is thrown out the window, it's going to be, "Witness the REAL hero behind Superman... a woman -- Lois!"

And probably...

The Atom: Asian lead.

[MikeandRaph87]

Does Burt Ward's Robin get to survive being the first of Infinite Earths?

[ZariusTwo]

Current rumours are that Brandon Rough is getting his own Superman series as well

https://fandomwire.com/2020/01/18/rumor-brandon-routh-could-be-getting-his-own-superman-series/

[Vegita-San]

alot of things in 4 and 5 didn't make sense.

- The Universe is destroyed. how are they able to get to the speed force, let alone the monitors home world?

- Why was barry in the speed force to begin with? why didn't he go to the other realm with the others?

- If one anti montior was destroyed, and there was a second, wouldn't that make it an un ending battle?

- The phantoms. So easily destroyed. how much of a threat could they really be? what would they do if they got you?

-How does a ghost like arrow die a second time?

I'm on part 5 and the last 15 minutes....
I guess it wasn't a bad crossover. but not the best.

[Andrew NDB]

- If one anti montior was destroyed, and there was a second, wouldn't that make it an un ending battle?

I don't think the first one was ever destroyed. Just "blown back" or whatever.

- The phantoms. So easily destroyed. how much of a threat could they really be? what would they do if they got you?

Yeah, it's pretty silly. Like, you can shoot at a bullet at one and it vanishes or just punch one in the head and it vanishes... it's like even less interesting than like the Chitauri in Avengers.

-How does a ghost like arrow die a second time?

There were so many ways they could have sold either death, but didn't. It's presented so matter of factly... twice. And he may not even be really dead, still.

I'm on part 5 and the last 15 minutes....
I guess it wasn't a bad crossover. but not the best.

It's hands down the worst written of any so far. Biggest in scope, poorest in execution, by far.

[Leo656]

To be fair, and noting that I haven't seen the show, but the "phantoms" were essentially just fodder in the comic book, too, so if nothing else it's consistent.

[ABrown]

I finally got around to finishing the Crisis episodes. I don't like what they did with Kevin Conroy. I would've like to have seen them dye his hair grey, give him a cane, and feature Will Friedle. You know where I'm going with this. :wink:

[Andrew NDB]

I finally got around to finishing the Crisis episodes. I don't like what they did with Kevin Conroy. I would've like to have seen them dye his hair grey, give him a cane, and feature Will Friedle. You know where I'm going with this. :wink:

That wouldn't have served Batwoman defeating an evil Batman to become the "Courage" champion, or whatever.

[IMJ]

I would be absolutely all-in for a Routh Superman show!

[Andrew NDB]

I would be absolutely all-in for a Routh Superman show!

I'd say the odds of that happening simultaneously with the "Superman & Lois" show have to be like 0.

[IMJ]

"Superman & Lois" show

Not my Superman

[MikeandRaph87]

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I would like to see this.

[newfan]

It's taken until right now for these
to start airing here, we usually get them at the end of December, I wondered if to even bother but I might as well now that they are here. I think the hold up might have been down to batwoman, that only just started airing here (I noticed batwoman also isn't on SKY TV like the other Arrowverse shows, regular TV)

Edit: I think we are missing the Batgirl ep from Crisis anyway, so not sure why the wait.