Venom 2 to be directed by Andy Serkis

[Shark_Blade]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/venom-2-andy-serkis-direct-1228724

The actor-turned-filmmaker will be tackling his first comic book movie as helmer.
Andy Serkis is officially stepping into Venom's goo.

The filmmaker has closed a deal to direct Venom 2, Sony's sequel to the 2018 film that grossed $856 million at the global box office. The sequel, part of the company's stable of Spider-Man-related and Marvel-centric characters, will once again star Tom Hardy as the journalist who joins with an alien symbiote.

Serkis flew to Los Angeles the week of July 22 to meet with Sony brass on the project and was one of several filmmakers in the mix for the job. This will be Serkis' third directorial effort, after the 2017 drama Breathe and last year's non-Disney take on the Rudyard Kipling stories, Mowgli: Legend of the Jungle, which ended up on Netflix after being made at Warner Bros.

Serkis rose to fame for his motion-capture and performance-capture acting work as Gollum in Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy from 2002 to 2004. He cut his teeth with second unit directing by reteaming with Jackson for the Hobbit trilogy (2012-14). He played the villain Snoke in the recent Star Wars films, as well as bad guy Klaw in Marvel Studios' Black Panther. His expertise with CG and performance-capture technology is one of the factors that landed him the Venom 2 gig.

Sony had no comment.

Kelly Marcel wrote the script for Venom 2. Ruben Fleischer helmed 2018's Venom, which starred Michelle Williams and featured a last-minute cameo by Woody Harrelson as chief Venom villain Cletus Kasady, aka Carnage. Serkis previously worked with Harrelson on 2017's War for the Planet of the Apes.

Shortly after the news broke Monday, Serkis shared a post on his verified Instagram account.

"It's actually happening. I can feel it, the Symbiote has found a host in me, and I'm ready for the ride...Can't wait," he wrote.

Serkis is repped by CAA and Principal Entertainment.


It’s actually happening. I can feel it, the Symbiote has found a host in me, and I’m ready for the ride...Can’t wait! Are you ready @tomhardy ?
#venom #venom2 #marvel

[neatoman]

Alright, so his first movie "Breathe" has 68% critic's score, 53% top critic and 71% aucience score on Rotten Tomatoes. On Metacritic it scored at 51 with critics and 6.3 with audiences (Metacritic scores use different metrics for critics and audiences in case you didn't know, both mean about average in this case).
His second movie "Mowgli" has 52% critic's, 42% top critic's and 53% audince. On Metacritic it has 51 for critics and 6.5 audiences.

I haven't seen either movie but the consensus seems to be that he's a mixed bag of a director. I kinda think he was picked because he's a big name rather than his skill.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I am one of those people who absolutely loved Mowgli, so I'm both hopeful and curious to see how Serkis approaches this film and character.

[Autbot_Benz]

New Title (Venom: Let There Be Carnage) and pushed back to new release date of June 25, 2021

[AquaParade]

If it were up to me and money was no risk, I'd just call it "Carnage". I like the simplicity and the boldness of not even including the title character's name in it. I also think it sounds a bit foreboding and all-encompassing.

The idea that Carnage is such a threat that he's even taken over the title is exciting and a bit chilling to me. It nearly says to you "Carnage is coming", without having to actually say it.

My two cents.

[MikeandRaph87]

Sucks it got pushed back. I thought it being October it was safe from Coronavirus push backs. Post-production still to be done I assume?

I recently rewatched my copy of the film. I wanted to convince myself there can be Venom without Spider-Man. There actually can be I found. Not nearly as cool, but it still works especially if you don't want Eddie Brock to be evil.

I know Carnage is one of the deadlier villains in Marvel, but I wonder if it can tonally accurate and still be PG-13. The first installment managed to do it.

[Andrew NDB]

Post-production? I've been under the impression they haven't even started filming yet.

[MikeandRaph87]

Post-production? I've been under the impression they haven't even started filming yet.

Oh, really? I know October 2020 was always the target release date. I believed something like that would have filmed already.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, really? I know October 2020 was always the target release date. I believed something like that would have filmed already.

Huh. Maybe I'm wrong, but usually with any kind of movie like this there'd be at least a few of pics from behind the scenes during the shoots, whether official or paparazzi borne. Not one, that I'm aware of.

[joe-eyeball]

Huh. Maybe I'm wrong, but usually with any kind of movie like this there'd be at least a few of pics from behind the scenes during the shoots, whether official or paparazzi borne. Not one, that I'm aware of.

According to many sources it has been filmed and post production was started just before the pandemic. I’d Link a source but I’m too lazy to do that at the moment.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, OK. Weird this didn't get a lot of circulation.

https://www.dreadcentral.com/news/318464/venom-2-wraps-filming/

[sdp]

Venom 3 will be called Maximum Carnage and will feature MCU's Spider-Man teaming up with Venom against Carnage and other symbiotes.

[Andrew NDB]

Venom 3 will be called Maximum Carnage and will feature MCU's Spider-Man teaming up with Venom against Carnage and other symbiotes.

Is that official? That's pretty much what I envisioned happening.

[AquaParade]

No way that is official. They don’t even know yet.

[Autbot_Benz]

Pushed back to September 17th

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/venom-sequel-moves-back-3-months-to-september?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

[Andrew NDB]

That's dumb. Things are already mostly fine now and will be even moreso in June.

[Autbot_Benz]

Borys Kit
@Borys_Kit


Sony pushes VENOM: LET THERE BE CARNAGE release date from Sept 17 to Sept 24, 2021.

https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit/status...79134749253632

[neatoman]

Borys Kit
@Borys_Kit


Sony pushes VENOM: LET THERE BE CARNAGE release date from Sept 17 to Sept 24, 2021.

https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit/status...79134749253632

A week? What's the point?

[AquaParade]

I hope they can find a way to make symbiote battles compelling. It's hard to get invested in the unknown laws of physics concerning some goopy alien crap that slides all around your body, heals you, and morphs into lethal objects. It's too abstract and they need to lay some ground rules.

[Zulithe]

Interesting choice. His Jungle Book was pretty good. Shame that it released right next to the Disney version, which overshadowed it.

[ZariusTwo]

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[AquaParade]

That was like the worst thing I've ever seen.

[Autbot_Benz]

That looks fun I can't wait for this one

[Powder]

Looks crummy.

[MikeandRaph87]

Looks promising. Goofy, dark, somehow it will all fit despite no Spider-Man. I am definitely open to this and hope I enjoy the end product in September.

[AquaParade]

Andy Serkis, director, on which universe this film takes place in:

"Obviously, there are links between Venom and Spider-Man in the Marvel Universe and the Spider-Man story, but in this, we're treating this very much as it's his own world, the Venom story is his own world," Serkis says. "There are nods and little moments just like this, the newspaper Daily Bugle, of course, but on the whole, he's unaware, they're unaware, at this point of other characters like Spider-Man. So that's the way we've chosen to play this particular episode of the movie but well we'll wait and see what little things you can pick out of it."

I'm sort of over this whole "will they, won't they?" with Sony's Venom. They've been doing this little Spider-Man tease since the marketing of the first film.
I really have no desire to see this version of the character interact with Spider-Man anyway.

[IMJ]

That was like the worst thing I've ever seen.

I thought the first thing about the first flick, but then it was pretty entertaining even though the concept of Venom as a star-hero drives me nuts....

This one will probably be entertaining too.

[MikeandRaph87]

I thought the first thing about the first flick, but then it was pretty entertaining even though the concept of Venom as a star-hero drives me nuts....

This one will probably be entertaining too.

My thoughts exactly!

I don't want it to go any further than a second installment either.

[AquaParade]

I thought the first thing about the first flick, but then it was pretty entertaining even though the concept of Venom as a star-hero drives me nuts....

This one will probably be entertaining too.

Well, you're certainly not alone in liking the first film. Personally, I found it watchable but forgettable.

I don't mind the character not being taken so seriously, but I guess the comedy and charm they are going for just falls flat for me. The other whammy is how cold the special effects leave me. The action in the first film wasn't very inspiring, and with another computer-animated monster thrown into the mix, I'm not assured this will be any better.

I thought they had a real opportunity with this sequel and a new director, to build off the success of the first film and take us somewhere a bit more compelling. Instead, it appears the idea is not to disrupt the success of the first film, but rather to double-down on what worked the first time.

Makes sense, but I also think a lot of the success of the first movie was fueled by the curiosity of what a Venom movie would be like. Now that the curiosity has been satiated, I can see the opening weekend and resulting box office shrinking in comparison.

[ZariusTwo]

I don't want it to go any further than a second installment either.

With Knull and the King In Black event being the massive sales success for Marvel that it was, you can forget about that

[IMJ]

Personally, I found it watchable but forgettable.

Makes sense, but I also think a lot of the success of the first movie was fueled by the curiosity of what a Venom movie would be like.

Agreed 100% here. And really, the second movie will be fueled by the excitement of "finally" seeing Carnage on-screen.

[Coola Yagami]

I like the trailer. In a way, it's the kind of likeability and respect comic book Venom always wanted and will probably never get. Just the way the lady in the store said hi to Venom.

[AquaParade]

I want Sony to make a Scarlet Spider/Ben Reilly movie next.
No connection to Spider-Man, cast the up and coming Timothy Chalamet. Kaine for the sequel. Who cares.

No, but what they should really do is Spider-Man 2099. Hell, Sam Raimi could kill that.

[oldmanwinters]

http://i.imgur.com/PPX0Zdzl.jpg (https://imgur.com/PPX0Zdz)
First movie trailer I've seen this year bold enough to promise that.

[neatoman]

I've seen the "Only in theatres" thing in at least two other trailers (can't remember which movies). I'm gonna guess that the attempt to cash in via streaming services during the pandemic isn't really working out?

[frank_one]

I want Sony to make a Scarlet Spider/Ben Reilly movie next.
No connection to Spider-Man, cast the up and coming Timothy Chalamet. Kaine for the sequel. Who cares.

No, but what they should really do is Spider-Man 2099. Hell, Sam Raimi could kill that.I would be interested in both.

[ZariusTwo]

Tom Hardy will receive a "story by" credit on the movie

https://www.darkhorizons.com/hardy-credited-for-venom-sequel-story/

[Andrew NDB]

There are plenty of times when the actors drive the story of a movie that it turns out great... uhhh... Deadpool? Umm...........

[ZariusTwo]

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[Coola Yagami]

I noticed they raceswapped Shriek, a woman who is literally whiter than white. Like chalk white, ala Domino.

****ing **** just never ends.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/venom-let-there-be-carnage-release-date-change-1235037720/

The “Venom” sequel, which has been delayed several times amid the pandemic, was set to open on Sept. 24 in the U.S. and will now premiere on Oct. 15.

The delay comes as COVID-19 cases are skyrocketing in the U.S. due to the highly contagious delta variant. The surge has led to a decline in consumer confidence in returning to the movies. According to a recent survey conducted by the National Research Group, 67% of moviegoers say they’re “very or somewhat comfortable” visiting their local multiplex — which is a dip of 3% compared to last week, and down 14% from one month ago.

[Andrew NDB]

Disgusting. 0 cases of COVID in theaters.

And watch this be like the stock market again. 1 movie moves... then in 2 weeks they'll announce Ghostbusters Afterlife for Christmas 2022.

[ranger_scout]

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/venom-let-there-be-carnage-release-date-change-1235037720/

It's not a big delay, but it's still disappointing.

[Andrew NDB]

This is how it started last year. One month... then other movies shift... then the first movie shifts some more, and so on.

[Autbot_Benz]

Jesus Christ Sony :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

IGN
@IGN

BREAKING: Venom 2: Let There Be Carnage will reportedly be delayed again to 2022, taking Morbius' January release date

[IMJ]

Wow... It's going to fall victim to the Black Widow-style hype deflation.....

[Andrew NDB]

Told you guys. I hope the marketing push for their aborted release date hurts Sony badly -- they deserve it. Maybe they, like Fauci, are waiting for 0 COVID?

[Autbot_Benz]

I guess Venom isn't moving after all



Sony recently pushed its other upcoming comic book feature, “Venom: Let There Be Carnage,” from September to October (although a studio insider says rumors the film will move further to 2022 are not true).

This story has been updated to reflect that “Venom: Let There Be Carnage” will not be moving from its October release date, per a studio insider.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/spider-man-no-way-home-trailer-avengers-endgames-24-hour-record-1235048973/

[ZariusTwo]

Film's release pushed up to October 1st

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/venom-let-there-be-carnage-release-date-1235008962/

[ProphetofGanja]

Nice ???? 12345678

[Andrew NDB]

Well that's something. We're moving in the right direction now.

[Andrew NDB]

It's only going to be exactly 90 minutes. Which means it's an 80 minute movie. An 80 minute PG-13 movie about Carnage, featuring Venom.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/venom-sequel-to-run-quite-short/

Laughable. I won't see it in theaters.

[ZariusTwo]

Leaked post credit sequence

The symbiote tells Eddie he'll show him 'one second' of what he and his kind have went through, and Eddie is transported into the MCU where he sees Holland on the television with the Symbiote remarking that he hates him but admits he looks 'tasty'

[sdp]

The MCU has only gotten more comic accurate by bringing this whole mess of adding the Sony verse, the spidey multiverse, the foxverse, the netflixverse all into the MCU through shenanigans and making it hard to follow.

It's only going to be exactly 90 minutes..

superhero movies don't need to be longer than that, that's a big problem with movies today thinking length is equal to quality

[Andrew NDB]

Pretty amusing:

https://cosmicbook.news/venom-2-sony-uses-fan-art-poster?fbclid=IwAR3qH4yr34qj-IXcYlP3p9iETtEjFwr_0****2HFdt0DEmzyOhU2ofah1sI

Also... did we know that She Venom was going to be in this? This is very much seeming like an incredibly BUSY, incredibly SONY Spider-Man movie.

[ZariusTwo]

Post credit scene now on Youtube

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[Leo656]

Man, I wish I knew that wasn't in English before I wasted time trying to watch it with the sound on. As is, I have no idea what's going on, aside from "Oh, look, Spider-Man." And I hate MCU Spider-Man so I don't even care about that.

No clue what's going on, but obviously the scene's played for laughs judging by the reaction of the theater-goers. Why the f*ck are Venom movies comedies, apparently? I skipped the first one, partly because the trailers just seemed too packed full of jokey bits. Like even if the movie itself is more serious and every single joke in the movie is also in the trailer, that's still more "goofy" stuff than I'd ever wanna sit through in a Venom movie. I don't think Sony "gets" Venom.

That shot where Eddie morphs into Venom and stands there looking at the TV is some late-90s syndicated TV CGI-level sh*t. Mah goodness.

1993-era Me was all excited that someone was gonna do a Venom movie "one day". It sounded like such a can't-miss. Me Right Now can't even fathom when I'd ever be bored enough to actually watch these things. Even if they're Not That Bad... they certainly don't look all that good, either.

[Andrew NDB]

"Venom" still exists as a largely missed opportunity, to me. Here Sony had this golden opportunity to do something -- within a corner of the MCU -- really terrifying, bloody and brutal... and they do like this light, kiddy PG-13 comedy with cardboard characters instead. There's some funny moments that work but... why do this? It could have been this Cronenberg-like body horror thing, but done in an ultimately pleasing way.

[sdp]

Sony messed up big time not knowing what it had if it wanted to be more like the MCU. The only two names at Marvel that have a large enough cast to be able to have their own cinematic universe are basically Spider-Man and X-Men. They used to own Ghostrider and Punisher through their other distributors, they could've worked out a way to have all those characters in one universe. I mean the cartoon Spider-Man did a really good secret wars adaptation despite being restricted by what characters could appear and it ended up being mostly spider-man heavy cast yet it still felt like a big crossover.
Same with Fox counting they also had a huge chunk of the marvel universe with both X-Men and Fantastic Four; they could've ridden the wave of cosmic marvel and have better stories to tell from the characters they owned.

Alas they failed to realize what they had, everything is now basically under the MCU and we are going to have a bunch of characters wasted because of it. Yeah it's cool that we can see spider-man with the avengers, despite that spider-man isn't an original avenger but if they were separated each could've had their own universe and movies to tell stories and now the MCU is limited to the same amount of movies but now having 2/3rds of a bigger cast than it did to play with. If that had been the case from the beginning perhaps a movie like Iron Man and Guardians of the Galaxy would've never been chosen. I do realize we are getting the immortals and had black panther/dr strage and now some chinese guy in movies that weren't "big" before but I still think those were still done either because of diversity and before the Fox buyout/sony friendship.

[Sumac]

Sony is basically fourth rate Marvel, with WB being second-rate Marvel and Fox (rip in peperoni) being third-rate Marvel.

They are even more greedy, impatient and disorganized than WB / DC and Fox and can't be assed to figure out vision or at least singular direction to their multiverse. As soon as they screw up another movie, they CANCEL THE **** OUT OF EVERYTHING and start from scratch.

[AquaParade]

What's interesting to me about it is that Tom Hardy seems to have a big part in the direction. He's a producer if I'm not mistaken, and from the press they are doing and behind the scenes clips, you definitely get the impression that he has a strong say. Stronger than Andy Serkis at the least.

But perhaps Sony is drip-feeding him and as long as he gets paid, he pretends like this is his whole deal.
But again, I don't think so. Maybe he is just following his business instincts at this point and giving the audience more of what sold. Certainly looks like another braindead film.

I just watched a clip where Carnage spins into a literal tornado, and it looks straight out of Space Jam.

[Andrew NDB]

If that after the credits bit does what I think it does...

... that's going to mean more harm than good, I think. So now, like, they're going to literally make the Sony Spider-Verse its own universe, separate from the MCU? Venom has to jump across universes to interact with the MCU every time he is supposed to encounter Spider-Man? Because that's silly. Or is that time-travel? As in, Venom was in the past but now Venom got a peek of the post-Endgame, 5 years later and all?

[Leo656]

I've read a few reviews, all of which are some variant of, "It's SO bad that you have to see it to believe it... which ultimately makes it awesome!"

I don't... that isn't even... that's not how things work.

[Coola Yagami]

I've read a few reviews, all of which are some variant of, "It's SO bad that you have to see it to believe it... which ultimately makes it awesome!"

I don't... that isn't even... that's not how things work.

From what I hear, most of the people saying it's bad are mostly the weirdos complaining that it didn't have politics in it and whatnot. You aren't allowed to have fun action movies anymore, everything needs some sort of agenda to push or the movie 'sucks'.

[Leo656]

No, like I legit read that it's a piece of sh*t that's so batsh*t crazy it circles back around and becomes entertaining again.

Like there's a scene at a rave or a club, or something, and it's implied therein that the symbiote is gay. Stuff like that. Who booked this sh*t?

Not gonna lie, to me the thing looked like a piece of sh*t from the jump. Because the first one did, also, and this looks way worse. But when I read "positive" reviews that repeatedly say things like "This movie is so dumb you can't help but love it," it has a way of confirming my fears.

I don't think anyone saying it's bad or dumb has anything to do with Current Year Politics or the movie's avoidance of same. I simply think they made a dumb, bad movie that some people will think is great because they like dumb things with no irony.

Seriously, it's like Ragnarok all over again. "This movie is SO dumb... it's amazing and brilliant! Go see it!" Ummmm... no? Telling me over and over again that something is "dumb" and "goofy" and "so ridiculous you have to see it for yourself" is NOT how you get my money. Obviously that works on some people but I don't, and will never, understand it.

[IMJ]

I've read a few reviews, all of which are some variant of, "It's SO bad that you have to see it to believe it... which ultimately makes it awesome!"

I don't... that isn't even... that's not how things work.

That's how it worked for "The Room".

[Leo656]

That's how it worked for "The Room".

I guess. :lol: True story? Never seen it.

I know that, at worst, any "bad" movie is really just two hours of your life you'll never get back. But all life is time management, and some things, I really just can't imagine myself ever being bored enough to mess with, not even for the sake of saying "I seen it."

LIke sure, I could watch "The Room". Or "Venom". Or whatever. And maybe I'll have fun, and maybe I won't.

Orrrrrrr... I could just watch "Young Guns" for the 875th time and know for a fact I'll be in a better mood than I was before.

I usually take the safe bet. :trazz: Last time I took a gamble and decided to "give something a chance" despite knowing for a fact I'd hate it, it was Chickbusters and the Transformers movie with Marky Mark. Since then, I really just plain don't feel like giving things a chance if they're already setting off my radar in a bad way.

Also, since then, my wife doesn't get to pick our movies, anymore. I gave her a chance and she blew it spectacularly. No mulligans.

Not saying I never, ever will see those other movies, or anything. I'd just have to be REALLY bored, given all the other things I own which I could hypothetically amuse myself with instead. And I'm like four games behind in the Zelda series so I just don't see some of those movies ever crossing my eyes in the near future. I got stuff to do, nah'mean?

[IMJ]

I DO know what you mean.

But I don't care because right now I'm experiencing cognitive dissonance that you sat through Chickbusters. I dl'd it and fast forwarded through it to see what it looked like. I basically watched it in 7 minutes. I couldn't actually watch it. :lol:

[Leo656]

Dude it's SUCH a f*cking awful movie. :lol: Like irredeemably.

My wife "made" me watch it, to try and prove some point about judging things before I'd seen them. And y'know, she completely blew THAT one, because holy sh*t I took the exact opposite lesson from that experience. If anything it made me more judgmental than ever.

I'm pretty sure it was actually a "punishment" for something else and she was just trying to get back at me in a way that didn't seem overly-malicious on its face.

But yeah, it's... EASILY one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my entire life, for so many reasons that go way beyond "It's Ghostbusters, but With Chicks." It's not funny. There are no "jokes". Everyone in it gives a career-worst performance, and when two of your actors are Melissa McCarthy and Leslie F*cking Jones that says a ton. The colors are so over-saturated I swore my TV was bleeding. They ripped off the ending of "Pacific Rim". It's just... so... f*cking... STUPID. Every f*cking thing about it is terrible.

I mean, it's not bad like "Legend of Chun-Li" is bad, but that's not even fair. THAT movie was literally crafted by Satan. Remove that from the equation, though, and I honestly, truly can't remember a worse movie I've ever seen than Chickbusters. Just godawful from A to Z. Although some of the Transformers movies come close, but if nothing else you could be entertained by the spectacle of those, I guess, if you forget that there's also supposed to be a plot or a narrative.

But yeah, I didn't wanna watch it. I'd seen the trailers, and even some of the deleted scenes from the "extended cut", so I knew it would be dogsh*t. But my wife and I'd been separated for a few months and one of the conditions for being allowed to come back home was, I had to be less of a crab-ass and "be more open-minded" about stuff. I'd only been home for a short time so I was like "whatever, don't rock the boat."

After that sh*t... and then especially after the Marky Mark Transformers movie, I was like, "Yeah, I think I've officially been 'open-minded' for long enough. You have actively ruined my entire weekend with this bullsh*t."

I still bring it up sometimes. Like if she gets on my case for "not giving things a chance", I just pull out the "You forced me to watch Chickbusters" card and she knows the argument's over and done with. :lol: Pretty sure that statement would be grounds for divorce in most states.

I still couldn't escape it, though. Her parents watched it for the first time that same week. Go figure, they loved it, and watched it three more times within a week. Then they invited her grandma over to watch it that weekend. So it seemed like every time I had to cook, for a week straight, some idiot was cackling like a jackal at this very dumb, very bad, very not-funny movie as if it were some kind of f*cking masterpiece.

I swear, some things ONLY exist for the sole purpose of tormenting me, and me alone. It's a grand cosmic joke, there's simply no other explanation.

[IMJ]

My wife "made" me watch it, to try and prove some point about judging things before I'd seen them.

People like to make that argument. It's advice for kids that some people never realize the truth of.

[Leo656]

I mean, there's SOME validity to it, and it's a noble idea *in theory*.

In reality, I suspect most people know what they like and what they don't. Some people are outright terrible at articulating WHY, but I do think most people know themselves fairly well. Sometimes things do pleasantly surprise you, but 99.9% of the time it's a case of, "Well, I had a feeling I'd like/hate that thing... and I did. No shock."

It's like how I haven't seen the BayTurtles movies in their entirety, nor do I ever plan to. I've seen the "Everything Wrong With" videos, which granted are tongue-in-cheek on purpose, but those things are like 1/3 the length of the actual f*cking movies themselves and every single thing displayed is horrible, basically everything I despise about movies in general. What are the odds that the other hour of footage I haven't seen of either one is somehow brilliant? I've seen enough to know I'd rather shave my balls with a malfunctioning chainsaw than actually watch those goddamn things.

That's what happened with Chickbusters. Saw the trailers, saw the "deleted scenes", and every second of footage was agonizing to watch. It told me, "Don't ever watch this movie, you'll hate it and end up in a bad mood." Sure enough...

At the end of the day, all taste is subjective. Some people actually do like black licorice; why, I couldn't tell you, but hey, whatever. I think they're insane and I'll tell them so, but what they like doesn't affect me so at the end of the day it's whatever. BUT. I do think most people know their own tastes and preferences to the point where pre-judging things is okay. At the end of the day they're just trying to save themselves some aggravation and bitterness. So long as they remember to add "in my opinion" or "based on my own preferences" when they decide to describe something as "terrible", there's nothing wrong with erring on the side of caution. Everybody gets to have an opinion, after all.

Except for Chickbusters or Legend of Chun-Li. Those things are objectively, unquestionably awful, and anyone who disagrees should have their head cracked open and filled up with fire ants. Some things aren't a conversation.

[Andrew NDB]

Saw Venom 2. Carnage wasn't much of a villain at all and trying to make him somewhat sympathetic with the needless girlfriend character undercut what I think -- at least initially -- made Carnage so appealing to begin with in the comics. And sure enough... lots of killing off-screen or quick cut stuff. You could make a case for Venom 1 but Venom 2 sorely needed an R rating.

So it's definitely Eddie/Venom getting yanked into the MCU by Doctor Strange's spell at the end there. I guess it'll be fine if he's going to be stuck there now and he somehow brings his supporting cast with him... but it also seems so needless.

Also, I wonder... is this how they'll explain Deadpool crossing over?

[AquaParade]

From what I hear, most of the people saying it's bad are mostly the weirdos complaining that it didn't have politics in it and whatnot. You aren't allowed to have fun action movies anymore, everything needs some sort of agenda to push or the movie 'sucks'.

That’s not it at all.
These movies are just bad.

Leo, your sentiment reminds me of how people also seem to be easily alluded to “random” ****. Like someone will review a movie and at some point say “but, I mean, it’s all worth it to see a talking T-Rex playing the bongos!” Or “besides, who doesn’t want to see a purple penguin, dressed as Elvis, playing guitar??”. **** like that. Like we’re supposed to be amused whenever someone throws some adjectives and nouns into a hat and picks them out at random. Minor tangent.

[Leo656]

That’s not it at all.
These movies are just bad.

Leo, your sentiment reminds me of how people also seem to be easily alluded to “random” ****. Like someone will review a movie and at some point say “but, I mean, it’s all worth it to see a talking T-Rex playing the bongos!” Or “besides, who doesn’t want to see a purple penguin, dressed as Elvis, playing guitar??”. **** like that. Like we’re supposed to be amused whenever someone throws some adjectives and nouns into a hat and picks them out at random. Minor tangent.

Yeah, sh*t like that is dumb.

Like apparently a bunch of people raved about the Aquaman movie because of a giant squid playing drums, or something. That was a high point for them, I guess; I don't think I even noticed it, or if I did I must've blocked it out.

In my head, I'm always replaying the "I wish I was like you... easily amused" line from "All Apologies" whenever people rave about such insipid sh*t. I don't have any problem with whimsy but for goodness sake, stuff like that shouldn't be a major bullet point.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Just came back from seeing it. It's a good thing my theater not too far from home is super cheap because this movie was no better than the first. In some cases it was worse. Venom's dialogue is played for laughs which surprisingly no one in the audience except one kid found him funny. Carnage was pretty much wasted and underutilized with how much they could have done with him.

The only good thing I can say about this film is the credits are super long like the first one.

I don't know how Marvel and Sony agreed upon this but this whole multiverse thing that comic book movies are doing now are becoming more apparent because yes, Venom witnesses MCU Spiderman on TV.

[ZariusTwo]

Box Office presently stands at $90.1 million, exceeding the total of Black Widow

https://deadline.com/2021/10/venom-let-there-be-carnage-opening-weekend-box-office-1234847950/

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Saw it on Saturday. I feel- ambivalent. On the one hand, I loved the banter and bickering of married couple Eddie and Venom, their relationship was spot on. Carnage was every bit as sadistic and randomly vicious as he should be, with the kind of pure brutality and cold-blooded killer impulse one would hope for.

BUT! Carnage was kind of less a threat than he COULD have been, Venom's butchered background (ie- sans all actual connection to Spidey, either from Eddie OR the symbiote) and the fact that Shriek was Shriek in name only, kind of soured it a bit. I mean, why have her there if she had no symbiote? As did the apparent hint/allusion to another character who really- did not fit his comic counterpart AT ALL.

By this I am referringto Patrick Mulligan, aka Toxin. We see a hint at the end of his future symbiote being born, but as he was in the movie, this is NOT Toxin's human half.

Overall, I liked it, but was seriously confused and disappointed by some of the choices made here. Carnage having a bad childhood (some of which he apparently caused himself) was no excuse for his being an unrepentant murderer, and his rants about what he wanted made little sense in the face of what he did in the movie. Somebody really does NOT know how to write a good psychopath!

[oldmanwinters]

Well, I saw it. Woody Harrelson was probably at his scariest when he wasn't covered up by the CGI. I think I actually appreciate the fact the film was short.

Also, is "Carnage Curse" going to become a thing now?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/woody-harrelson-punched-man-hotel-162936411.html

Somebody really does NOT know how to write a good psychopath!
Hard to believe, isn't it?

[AquaParade]

I didn't like the first Venom, but I was considering giving this one a chance until I watched the jail breakout scene, online, where Carnage spun himself into a tornado straight out of Looney Toons.

[Andrew NDB]

"Carnage." There wasn't any.

That's all.

[Leo656]

If you told me when I was 10 that one day they'd finally make a Carnage movie... like 30 years from then... and that it would be a PG-13 slapstick comedy with AARP-aged Woody Harrelson playing Kletus Cassidy... I would insist you were smoking crack and that every single one of those statements were lies. Because not one bit of it would make any sense.

[ranger_scout]

My friends and I had such a great time seeing the film last Saturday. Is it an excellent movie? No, it's not. However, there were more than a couple of moments where I was laughing and the climax was very well done. Everyone in the theater was so excited during that mid-credits scene. I am very interested to see where that

crossover with the MCU and Tom Holland's Spider-Man will go.

[MikeandRaph87]

Who is the cop who shot out Shriek's eye supposed to be?

[oldmanwinters]

Who is the cop who shot out Shriek's eye supposed to be?

Patrick Mulligan, right? In the comics he became Toxin.

[MikeandRaph87]

Patrick Mulligan, right? In the comics he became Toxin.

There was never a name given and I am well versed in Eddie Brock, but not symbiote lore.

Toxin, Carnage's own spawn. I have not read Venom vs Carnage (2004) in forever. I just remember that Toxin first appeared in it and Eddie would bond with Toxin for awhile.

[MikeandRaph87]

Patrick Mulligan, right? In the comics he became Toxin.

There was never a name given and I am well versed in Eddie Brock, but not symbiote lore.

Toxin, Carnage's own spawn. I have not read Venom vs Carnage (2004) in forever. I just remember that Toxin first appeared in it and Eddie would bond with Toxin for awhile.

I was surprised that we only got a tease of She-Venom and it did not have a two on two fight, at least Anne did not commit suicide.

[AquaParade]

If you told me when I was 10 that one day they'd finally make a Carnage movie... like 30 years from then... and that it would be a PG-13 slapstick comedy with AARP-aged Woody Harrelson playing Kletus Cassidy... I would insist you were smoking crack and that every single one of those statements were lies. Because not one bit of it would make any sense.

Itd be unbelievable. I'd probably be dying to see it, is the sad thing. Back then, any comic book movie was at least slightly interesting to me, simply because they had no real place in Hollywood. It was like you rooted for all of them, just because you were down for the cause.

Simpler times.

[Andrew NDB]

There was never a name given and I am well versed in Eddie Brock, but not symbiote lore.

Toxin, Carnage's own spawn. I have not read Venom vs Carnage (2004) in forever. I just remember that Toxin first appeared in it and Eddie would bond with Toxin for awhile.

I was surprised that we only got a tease of She-Venom and it did not have a two on two fight, at least Anne did not commit suicide.

Yeah, it's weird. We got exactly the same amount of She-Venom as in the last movie and almost the exact same sidestory with Brock's girlfriend as the first movie. There wasn't any growth.

[oldmanwinters]

Yeah, it's weird. We got exactly the same amount of She-Venom as in the last movie and almost the exact same sidestory with Brock's girlfriend as the first movie. There wasn't any growth.

Anne is sorta like a support character in an old video game brawler. You press the two triggers together and she shows up for 2 seconds to look cool and refill your special meter.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

"Carnage." There wasn't any.

That's all.


Are we not counting all the inmates and guards he killed on the way out of his prison break? Or the random murders he committed afterward? He ate a few heads, to be sure, and tore a couple of guys apart for the lolz. Seems like quite a bit, imho. Not graphic enough? Cause we really don't NEED it to be, if it's at least shown that he does it.

[Splinter the boss]

Saw it last week, thoroughly enjoyed it

[Andrew NDB]

Are we not counting all the inmates and guards he killed on the way out of his prison break? Or the random murders he committed afterward? He ate a few heads, to be sure, and tore a couple of guys apart for the lolz. Seems like quite a bit, imho. Not graphic enough? Cause we really don't NEED it to be, if it's at least shown that he does it.

Yes, counting all of that. No, we don't see any of that stuff. All cleverly edited to show no violence like that at all. No carnage of any kind is seen on screen.

[MikeandRaph87]

Anne is sorta like a support character in an old video game brawler. You press the two triggers together and she shows up for 2 seconds to look cool and refill your special meter.

I was expecting more material for Michelle Williams to show character development. Her role was even smaller this time around. I mean I was not expecting a happily ever after with Eddie, maybe being fridged, but perhaps Venom separating himself to bond with two simultaneously and together will be at full strength. Thus the liking the symbiote has of Anne would have paid off and we would have gotten a comic reference. It would cause a possibility of Dylan and have made for a better resolution with character development.

[oldmanwinters]

maybe being fridged, but

Haha, looks like the only thing that got "fridged" was Venom 2's shoot schedule on account of the Matrix 4:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/venom-2-forced-cut-filming-154821037.html

EDIT: Huh, apparently they did give her a dedicated film poster with a hint of She-Venom, so it is surprising (https://screenrant.com/venom-2-character-posters-she-venom-michelle-williams/) her actual contribution to the plot was so small:
https://www.cbr.com/venom-let-there-be-carnage-character-posters/

[Andrew NDB]

Haha, looks like the only thing that got "fridged" was Venom 2's shoot schedule on account of the Matrix 4:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/venom-2-forced-cut-filming-154821037.html

EDIT: Huh, apparently they did give her a dedicated film poster with a hint of She-Venom, so it is surprising her actual contribution to the plot was so small:
https://www.cbr.com/venom-let-there-be-carnage-character-posters/

Looks like nothing was lost, though, just rearranged and relocated.

[MikeandRaph87]

Haha, looks like the only thing that got "fridged" was Venom 2's shoot schedule on account of the Matrix 4:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/venom-2-forced-cut-filming-154821037.html

EDIT: Huh, apparently they did give her a dedicated film poster with a hint of She-Venom, so it is surprising (https://screenrant.com/venom-2-character-posters-she-venom-michelle-williams/) her actual contribution to the plot was so small:
https://www.cbr.com/venom-let-there-be-carnage-character-posters/

Yeah, I was expecting a more Scream vs She-Venom fight in the climax. Anne was more of a plot device to get things going to shorten the film. I wonder if there is unused footage of She-Venom that was removed from the final product and perhaps the production being effected by covid had anything to do with it? Just theorizing.

[neatoman]

For some reason the movie did not premiere here until the 20th, usually movies come out here two days before they do in the US, and this thread was no longer on page 1 which is why I haven't written anything here yet.

Anyway, not actually a good movie just like the first one. But also like the first one, there is this really weird appeal about it. On paper nothing should work, it is awkwardly paced, has plotlines more suited to comedy than action and characters who act really inconsistently. Despite that though, there is some indescribable aspect of this whole thing that kind of makes me dig it.

Seriously, like what is up with these movies? I know they're total crap and I can describe why they're crap, yet I still like them and I have no idea how express why I like them.

[oldmanwinters]

Wow, this movie is still in the Top 5 domestic daily box office rankings after 41 days in theatres. Would have even been #4 if a big Red dog hadn't just shoved it out of the way.

And I guess Eternals is only at $85 million domestic after 6 days... is Marvel gonna be happy with that?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yes, counting all of that. No, we don't see any of that stuff. All cleverly edited to show no violence like that at all. No carnage of any kind is seen on screen.


Except it was. We see him biting off heads, and splatting a dozen guys in the prison, just in that one scene withe whirlwind thing. Bodies go flying, broken pieces of guys he literally rips apart as Carnage. There is plenty of it, though mostly bloodless, oddly enough. Was it the blood you wanted? Cause that's really all that's missing, aside from a couple of close shots of gruesome death. What we see is from farther away shots, but it's there. It felt like comic book panels, where a lot of times you don't see the "moment" of the actual gore or violence, but it's implied or shown what's happening clearly enough to understand that yes, he's straight up murdering people by the dozen. We SEE bodies and parts in the aftermath, or even just the moment after, or getting thrown around and splattered against walls, etc, there's plenty of violence and Carnage to go around, just not a lot of blood. Which is fine it you're trying to tone it down for ratings. (One of the reqs for PG is how much actual blood appears....)

[Coola Yagami]

And I guess Eternals is only at $85 million domestic after 6 days... is Marvel gonna be happy with that?

They'll probably blame the fans and say it's because we hate diversity or something stupid like that. Venom was just fun.

As for the girl in the movie, I mean... what do you expect, she's really not too involved in Eddie's life anymore and has moved on to be with that other guy. She's like that friend from college you don't see anymore cause you parted ways.

She's only there because she is the only person Eddie can count on that already knows about all the symbiote business.

[ranger_scout]

A third film is in the works.

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/venom-3-ghostbusters-afterlife-sequel-sony-1235240650/

[Coola Yagami]

I wonder who Venom will face. Carnage was pretty much anything anyone wanted to see. Maybe go after Morbius? The only way they can salvage that trash fire.

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder who Venom will face. Carnage was pretty much anything anyone wanted to see. Maybe go after Morbius? The only way they can salvage that trash fire.

Anything less than Spider-Man (or A Spider-Man) would be a complete betrayal, at this point.

[Coola Yagami]

Anything less than Spider-Man (or A Spider-Man) would be a complete betrayal, at this point.

Yeah, but I mean... Spider-Man isn't a bad guy? So is Venom gonna lose in his own movie? It won't work unless they both fight first and then team up to fight against.... who?

[Jester]

Maybe it's like a lot of versus movies and they fight in the 1st act, create an uneasy alliance in the 2nd, and face the real villain in the 3rd.

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe it's like a lot of versus movies and they fight in the 1st act, create an uneasy alliance in the 2nd, and face the real villain in the 3rd.

Exactly. Always this.

[Sumac]

There is a whole bunch of symbiotes, I am sure they find some to fight.