Obi Wan Disney Plus Show Ewan returning

[Autbot_Benz]

https://deadline.com/2019/08/ewan-mcgregor-obi-wan-kenobi-disney-plus-star-wars-1202669319/



Ewan McGregor may be picking up his lightsaber again. The 48-year-old Scottish actor may be reprising his role as the heartfelt but headstrong Jedi master known as Obi-Wan Kenobi in a yet-to-be-titled Disney+ series, Deadline has confirmed.

Details about the series following the Jedi master are being kept under wraps. McGregor played the younger version of the wise but irascible Star Wars icon in the three prequel films: The Phantom Menace (1999), Attack of the Clones (2002) and Revenge of the Sith (2005). McGregor also revisited the role to make a voice-only cameo in the Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015).

Plans in recent years to produce a stand-alone Kenobi feature film morphed into the current plan for a big-budget series for Disney+, the digital subscription service that has become an all-hands-on-deck mission for Disney with a bevy of shows from Marvel Studios and major-budget original programming, such as the high-profile remake of The Lady and The Tramp.


Alec Guinness introduced the role of Ben “Obi-Wan” Kenobi in 1977 in Star Wars, the original installment in George Lucas’ space opera, which was later renamed Star Wars: A New Hope. Kenobi was struck down in that first film during a heart-wrenching light saber confrontation with Darth Vader aboard the huge space station called the Death Star, but the old Jedi wizard returned as a disembodied voice or spectral vision in the film’s two mega-successful sequels, The Empire Strikes Back (1980) and Return of the Jedi (1983).

Guinness died in 2000 after a storied acting career that included roles in The Bridge on the River Kwai, Dr. Zhivago, Kind Hearts and Coronets, as well as Lawrence of Arabia, the David Lean-directed epic that both Lucas and Steven Spielberg have described as a North Star influence on their own bodies of work. By casting Guinness, Lucas wisely imported the gravitas of that epic career into his Jedi universe but the actor himself was famously unimpressed with the filmmaker’s interstellar saga, which the British stage veteran dismissed as “fairy tale rubbish.”

McGregor inherited the beloved role with all the major pressure and smothering legacy that goes with any generational pivot-point in the fantasy saga, which long ago transcended blockbuster franchise status to become almost a quasi-religion (or pathological retail obsession) for millions of fans. McGregor delivered in a big way, adding dimension and depth to his character even when the often wonky dialogue did him no favors on either front.

McGregor had made a name for himself with memorable turns in compelling indie fare like Trainspotting, Brassed Off, and Shallow Grave, but the 1999 global relaunch of Star Wars took him to a new strata in his career. He would add notable successes with films such as Moulin Rouge, Black Hawk Down, Angels & Demons, The Ghost Writer, and Beginners, and this he will be seen in the role of Black Mask in the Birds of Prey film and in Doctor Sleep, in which he portrays the grown-up survivor of the Overlook Hotel massacre depicted in The Shining.

All Star Wars films will be available on the Disney+ platform.

The new Star Wars series will join the previously announced The Mandalorian from Jon Favreau and starring Pedro Pascal. That series takes place years after the events of Return of the Jedi and follows a lone Mandalorian gunfighter on the volatile rim planets beyond the reaches of law and order. The series will debut on November 12, the Disney+ launch date.

Disney+ will also have a Star Wars spinoff series starring Diego Luna and Alan Tudyk reprising their Rogue One characters Cassian Andor and K-2S0. Stephen Schiff will serve as showrunner.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't know... we've seen it several times over the "Ewan McGregor has secretly signed on to reprise Obi-Wan" FAKE news over the recent years.

[TigerClaw]

https://deadline.com/2019/08/ewan-mcgregor-obi-wan-kenobi-disney-plus-star-wars-1202669319/



Ewan McGregor may be picking up his lightsaber again. The 48-year-old Scottish actor may be reprising his role as the heartfelt but headstrong Jedi master known as Obi-Wan Kenobi in a yet-to-be-titled Disney+ series, Deadline has confirmed.

Details about the series following the Jedi master are being kept under wraps. McGregor played the younger version of the wise but irascible Star Wars icon in the three prequel films: The Phantom Menace (1999), Attack of the Clones (2002) and Revenge of the Sith (2005). McGregor also revisited the role to make a voice-only cameo in the Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015).

Plans in recent years to produce a stand-alone Kenobi feature film morphed into the current plan for a big-budget series for Disney+, the digital subscription service that has become an all-hands-on-deck mission for Disney with a bevy of shows from Marvel Studios and major-budget original programming, such as the high-profile remake of The Lady and The Tramp.


Alec Guinness introduced the role of Ben “Obi-Wan” Kenobi in 1977 in Star Wars, the original installment in George Lucas’ space opera, which was later renamed Star Wars: A New Hope. Kenobi was struck down in that first film during a heart-wrenching light saber confrontation with Darth Vader aboard the huge space station called the Death Star, but the old Jedi wizard returned as a disembodied voice or spectral vision in the film’s two mega-successful sequels, The Empire Strikes Back (1980) and Return of the Jedi (1983).

Guinness died in 2000 after a storied acting career that included roles in The Bridge on the River Kwai, Dr. Zhivago, Kind Hearts and Coronets, as well as Lawrence of Arabia, the David Lean-directed epic that both Lucas and Steven Spielberg have described as a North Star influence on their own bodies of work. By casting Guinness, Lucas wisely imported the gravitas of that epic career into his Jedi universe but the actor himself was famously unimpressed with the filmmaker’s interstellar saga, which the British stage veteran dismissed as “fairy tale rubbish.”

McGregor inherited the beloved role with all the major pressure and smothering legacy that goes with any generational pivot-point in the fantasy saga, which long ago transcended blockbuster franchise status to become almost a quasi-religion (or pathological retail obsession) for millions of fans. McGregor delivered in a big way, adding dimension and depth to his character even when the often wonky dialogue did him no favors on either front.

McGregor had made a name for himself with memorable turns in compelling indie fare like Trainspotting, Brassed Off, and Shallow Grave, but the 1999 global relaunch of Star Wars took him to a new strata in his career. He would add notable successes with films such as Moulin Rouge, Black Hawk Down, Angels & Demons, The Ghost Writer, and Beginners, and this he will be seen in the role of Black Mask in the Birds of Prey film and in Doctor Sleep, in which he portrays the grown-up survivor of the Overlook Hotel massacre depicted in The Shining.

All Star Wars films will be available on the Disney+ platform.

The new Star Wars series will join the previously announced The Mandalorian from Jon Favreau and starring Pedro Pascal. That series takes place years after the events of Return of the Jedi and follows a lone Mandalorian gunfighter on the volatile rim planets beyond the reaches of law and order. The series will debut on November 12, the Disney+ launch date.

Disney+ will also have a Star Wars spinoff series starring Diego Luna and Alan Tudyk reprising their Rogue One characters Cassian Andor and K-2S0. Stephen Schiff will serve as showrunner.
I'm excited about this news. There's a whole lot of potential for an Obi Wan series taking place between Episodes 3 and 4. I wonder if Luke will make an appearance. But they would have to use the De-Aging Tech to recreate a young Mark Hamil.

[Roseangelo]

I don't know... we've seen it several times over the "Ewan McGregor has secretly signed on to reprise Obi-Wan" FAKE news over the recent years.

Too many of the actual big industry sources dropped this at the same time tonight, so they're not just refreshing the headline for clicks.

D23 is next week, so expect it to become official official then.

[Andrew NDB]

Too many of the actual big industry sources dropped this at the same time tonight, so they're not just refreshing the headline for clicks.

D23 is next week, so expect it to become official official then.

Fair enough.

[CyberCubed]

Well its confirmed now. Too bad they already used up and killed Darth Maul again in the cartoons. I bet Disney is kicking themselves now not getting to use the return of Darth Maul and Obi-wan in live-action.

[neatoman]

Well its confirmed now. Too bad they already used up and killed Darth Maul again in the cartoons. I bet Disney is kicking themselves now not getting to use the return of Darth Maul and Obi-wan in live-action.

Or you know, they'll just ignore the cartoons.

[CyberCubed]

They said they wouldn't ignore the cartoons or comics when they do movies/shows. Granted they could change their minds, but after so long of saying everything in Star Wars is canon from when Disney rebooted everything and the main director of the cartoons with Lucasfilm, it would seem odd.

They're still making new episodes of the Clone Wars cartoon, would be very odd to say its not canon anymore.

[Shark_Blade]

They can ignore the cartoons.

Good that Obi Wan is returning finally.

[TurtleTitan97]

They can ignore the cartoons.


They won't tho. Rebels and Clone Wars are as much a part of the canon as the films.

[Voltron]

Well its confirmed now. Too bad they already used up and killed Darth Maul again in the cartoons. I bet Disney is kicking themselves now not getting to use the return of Darth Maul and Obi-wan in live-action.

At some point, you'd think they'd call it quits and reboot the damn thing. There were some great elements to the prequel trilogy that were explored in the shows and novels, but the movies consistently missed the mark.

I would not be upset about doing a second go at the prequels where there is no Chosen One ********, Anakin is just really good at what he does and ends up backstabbing everyone. Call everyone back and just reshoot the films.

[Andrew NDB]

At some point, you'd think they'd call it quits and reboot the damn thing. There were some great elements to the prequel trilogy that were explored in the shows and novels, but the movies consistently missed the mark.

I would not be upset about doing a second go at the prequels where there is no Chosen One ********, Anakin is just really good at what he does and ends up backstabbing everyone. Call everyone back and just reshoot the films.

Would way rather just see a do-over of the new trilogy. Leave the prequels alone.

[sdp]

Wait is this confirmed now? That's cool. I wanted the trilogy to be true as well but a show is not a bad alternative, even if it gets cancelled after the first season it should still give us about 6 episodes minimum of one hour adventures which is basically like 3 2 hour movies.

Sure it'll have a smaller budget but that's not necessarily a bad thing, we'll have a more story focused tattooine story that's more personal instead of a big hollywood blockbuster the whole universe is in danger and only obi wan who should be retired saves the universe between Episodes 3 and 4 which would make no sense and likely happen if it were a trilogy.

Maul was killed in Rebels right? They don't need to retcon that, I mean they could just show that story again through different perspective in the live action show.

At some point, you'd think they'd call it quits and reboot the damn thing. There were some great elements to the prequel trilogy that were explored in the shows and novels, but the movies consistently missed the mark.

I would not be upset about doing a second go at the prequels where there is no Chosen One ********, Anakin is just really good at what he does and ends up backstabbing everyone. Call everyone back and just reshoot the films.

That's dumb, might as well remake the whole saga, you can't take one portion out, whether you hate or like the prequel/sequel trilogies, they're now a part of the saga, if you want to remove one part you have to remove everything. Most would also argue the sequel trilogy did far more damage than the prequels ever could.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

The second George sold Star Wars, the franchise was dead.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

[Andrew NDB]

The second George sold Star Wars, the franchise was dead.

From the moment of George selling Star Wars to Disney all the way to Force Awakens' release, there was a strong sense of excitement and wonder... but everything since then has been nothing but gut punches, one after another.

[Autbot_Benz]

Kristian Harloff
‏Verified account @KristianHarloff
22s23 seconds ago

Here we go! So Kennedy said that it is happening!! Obi Wan!!!


Kristian Harloff
‏Verified account @KristianHarloff
18s18 seconds ago

It’s happening! Ewan is out here and says he will be paying Obi Wan again!!! Scripts are already written and shooting next year

[CyberCubed]

So far this is the only Star Wars series I plan on watching

[Shark_Blade]

Hello there, General Kenobi.

[Roseangelo]

Woooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

[Autbot_Benz]

Obi Wan is set 8 years after Revenge of The Sith

http://collider.com/obi-wan-kenobi-tv-show-timeline-explained/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

[CyberCubed]

So Luke is 8 years old at this point.

[IMJ]

I am pretty jazzed about this - almost as jazzed as I am for Picard. I just hope both go well, and if they don't.... well I've always got the Orville.

[Andrew NDB]

Director for the whole show has been chosen. I'm certain just for their body of work and no other possible reason:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/deborah-chow-to-helm-the-kenobi-series/

[Autbot_Benz]

Everyone's Favorite Cancer to Star Wars Kathleen Kennedy isn't happy with scripts. Show loses a writer and its delayed

Also 4 episodes instead of 6

https://collider.com/obi-wan-series-delayed-disney-plus/?amp&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

[Andrew NDB]

Shesus, how long are they going to leave her calling the shots? Everything outside of TFA has been a sh*show of a production. At what point are they going to realize it's her?

It's like the woman going around saying all of her past 20 boyfriends were nuts. At a certain point you have to realize... it's probably you!

[Leo656]

It's like "Never give the fans what they actually want! If they ask for something, tease it and then yank it away from them!" is the official operating procedure over there.

"They wanna see the Original Trilogy characters have One Last Hurrah in these new movies? F*CK 'EM, let's go out of our way to do everything BUT that!"

"Ewan MacGregor as Obi-Wan was the one and only universally-praised thing about the Prequel Trilogy and something just about everyone would actually pay money to see at this point? F*CK 'EM, let's alternate between 'We're definitely doing it! / We are definitely NOT doing it! / It's back on again!' from one week to the next until absolutely nobody cares anymore, then do... FOUR episodes. And then probably cancel it after that anyway for budget reasons. IF we even do it. Which we still are, we swear! Maybe."

Not since WCW from 1997 through 2001 have I seen an entertainment brand so determined to never, EVER send the fans home happy under any circumstances. "Every match is a screwjob, Good Guys never win, and if you like someone a lot, we kill their push and bury 'em."

It's just like that, but in space.

[CyberCubed]

Wait a minute this is only going to be 4 episodes? What can you really do in 4 episodes? Granted a running time of about 4 different 40 minute episodes does come out to a little over a 2 hour movie, but still.

[ZariusTwo]

Ewan confirms the show is still scheduled to air when it's supposed to, and does address that they are looking to make the scripts better

https://twitter.com/EwanDaily/status/1220681583444754432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fofficialfan.proboards.com%2Ft hread%2F573990%2Fobi-wan-disney-series-2021%3Fpage%3D3

[Vegita-San]

Ewan confirms the show is still scheduled to air when it's supposed to, and does address that they are looking to make the scripts better

https://twitter.com/EwanDaily/status/1220681583444754432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fofficialfan.proboards.com%2Ft hread%2F573990%2Fobi-wan-disney-series-2021%3Fpage%3D3

I've got a fever...and the only cure...is...
more wahmen!

-kathleen kennedy

[Sumac]

She must have a very good skills in certain areas, because, I can't fathom why Iger would keep her around after massive **** up with the SW brand.

[Vegita-San]

She must have a very good skills in certain areas, because, I can't fathom why Iger would keep her around after massive **** up with the SW brand.


respect wahmen! how dare you say that about our glorious all powerful leader.

never mind the fact that the only reason 'her' movies made millions of dollars is because she piggy backed(perhaps literally) off successful men who came before her or during her reign....

smh.

[Leo656]

Kathleen Kennedy knows who all the secret pedos in Hollywood are, therefore she keeps getting work despite her overwhelming incompetence.

It's the only thing that makes any sense, therefore it must be true. Either that or pictures of Iger naked with a donkey and an eight-ball. SOMEthing.

[Autbot_Benz]

Pushed back to 2022

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/star_wars/obi-wan-kenobi-reportedly-moves-to-2022-as-cassian-andor-remains-on-track-for-next-year-a174377

not sure if new date is Covid related or Kathleen Kennedy's incompetence

[frank_one]

With everything being pushed to 2022 I wonder WHAT will be released in 2021. It looks like 2021 will be an empty year.

[CyberCubed]

More time for the actor to "grow old" into Obi-wan I guess.

[IMJ]

I've got a fever...and the only cure...is...
more wahmen!

-kathleen kennedy

LOL there's a guy with a small youtube channel who says **** like that all the time, hysterical

[raph27]

More time for the actor to "grow old" into Obi-wan I guess.

But the show doesn't take place that long after RotS, right? It has already been 15 years for Ewan to get "old".

[Andrew NDB]

Is anyone betting that we get the final word on Mace Windu surviving RotS in this?

[Allio]

He did kind of go out like a b*tch

[Sumac]

He flew like a Mary Poppins, with lightsaber rotating like helicopter blades, calling everyone "Mother****ers!".

[frank_one]

I hope Windu is dead for real. He died with honor.

[IMJ]

I hope Windu is dead for real. He died with honor.

I wouldn't mind seeing more of the character, but in the end, I'm with you on that. Some things in the story need to just be left.

[ranger_scout]

They've announced some casting today.

Obi-Wan Kenobi Series: ‘Game Of Thrones’ & ‘For Life’ Star Indira Varma Set To Join Disney+ ‘Star Wars’ Spinoff (https://deadline.com/2021/03/obi-wan-kenobi-series-star-wars-game-of-thrones-indira-varma-disney-plus-1234704207/)

[Andrew NDB]

So John Williams is doing some score. And Jimmy Smits is in it as well.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/kenobi-gets-john-williams-jimmy-smits/

I must admit, I'm most looking forward to this out of any of the announced Star Wars TV shows. It has the highest probability of not sucking while feeling the closest to the "importance" level of a real Star Wars movie. Like, it would be fairly hard for anyone involved to f*** this up, plus this has been developing longer than any of the Star Wars TV shows on the table, past or present. This isn't a Book of Boba Feet, "sh**, we have to put something together from scratch in less than a year!" at all.

[Andrew NDB]

It IS a shame they wasted Darth Maul: Round 2 in "Rebels." This really would have been the perfect place for it. That's a shame.

[CyberCubed]

They could very well do a live-action version of the scene. It may feel like repetitive content to some but of course I'd wager 80% of people never watch the Star Wars cartoons so it would be new to them.

[Andrew NDB]

They could very well do a live-action version of the scene. It may feel like repetitive content to some but of course I'd wager 80% of people never watch the Star Wars cartoons so it would be new to them.

I guess that's a thought. Obi-Wan reflecting on things, remembering. Or having it as some kind of prologue piece. I'd take that over nothing.

[sdp]

I hated Darth Maul in the Clone Wars, literally made no sense. But I did like that expanded universe dark horse comic before Rebels ever did it. They already teased there would be a rematch between Obi Wan and Vader, I'm guessing it'll be some type of illusion so perhaps in the same way they'll get Maul back, not likely but whatever. Disney Star Wars TV shows are as canon to me as the silly comic or books of the old EU so I'm up for most things since it's only "Canon" if I want to in my mind, might as well do cool stuff even if not logical.

[neatoman]

I found some leaked concept art for this show:
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/12a7d271-b00c-4045-a128-eeffb6a6715f/dcut2qb-7e8e26a0-289b-45d2-a491-8ec52efd82fd.png/v1/fill/w_746,h_1071,q_70,strp/count_dooku_returns_by_darthdestruktor_dcut2qb-pre.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9 .eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZ DQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTg yMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7Imhla WdodCI6Ijw9MTgzNiIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzEyYTdkMjcxLWI wMGMtNDA0NS1hMTI4LWVlZmZiNmE2NzE1ZlwvZGN1dDJxYi03Z ThlMjZhMC0yODliLTQ1ZDItYTQ5MS04ZWM1MmVmZDgyZmQucG5 nIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTEyODAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlc nZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.el76gcJopLKazj33-rPvWgjstCP9bZrPghdzNY2XO5o

[Andrew NDB]

First photos from Obi-Wan:

https://comicbook.com/starwars/news/star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-first-look-photos/

[ZariusTwo]

First teaser

TWTfhyvzTx0

Kenobi basically does nothing but react to things while all the women do stuff.

[Autbot_Benz]

TWTfhyvzTx0

I think I just came

[IMJ]

Kenobi basically does nothing but react to things while all the women do stuff.

Wow. I saw the trailer earlier today and thought it looked great and it got me really excited for the show.

I didn't notice that at all until you said it. :lol:

[sdp]

Damn it feels weird seeing Ewan McGregor aging since he looked youngish in Ep1, he looks like he's becoming a great Obi Wan, the problem is that he's supposed to age 30 years in only 10 years but that's a problem the prequels made with the timeline.
This is pure Prequel fanwank mixed with rebels cg show fanwank, which is great instead of Original trilogy fanwank mixed with Clone Wars fanwank of the previous show.
How long can they keep the fan service going for before we get burnt out?

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder if we'll "see" Obi-Wan talking to Qui-Gon Jinn, as Yoda suggested in III. It'd be nice to see Neeson show up.

[IMJ]

I wonder if we'll "see" Obi-Wan talking to Qui-Gon Jinn, as Yoda suggested in III. It'd be nice to see Neeson show up.

I'm pretty sure there was a Clone Wars ep where they did it..... It's been a while since I watched those though. It might've been Yoda.

[Autbot_Benz]

I'm pretty sure there was a Clone Wars ep where they did it..... It's been a while since I watched those though. It might've been Yoda.

he did it was the episode Ghosts of Mortis

[Andrew NDB]

Darth Maul was cut, apparently:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/maul-cut-from-obi-wan-in-development/

[Sumac]

Darth Maul was cut, apparently:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/maul-cut-from-obi-wan-in-development/
Again!? :lol:

In seriousness, I am fine with it. I think, killing him like that in Episode 1 with barely any characterization was a mistake, but reviving him was even bigger mistake.

[TigerClaw]

This is the kid that's playing Young Luke Skywalker in Obiwan. Grant Feely
https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1503818405173817345

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN1eMQCXIAs8trY?format=jpg&name=small

[sdp]

Again!? :lol:

In seriousness, I am fine with it. I think, killing him like that in Episode 1 with barely any characterization was a mistake, but reviving him was even bigger mistake.
I hated the way he was revived and used in Clone Wars, he felt like a different character and not Maul.
However since they did revive him I would've liked to have seen the rematch in live action, oh well.

[neatoman]

https://i.imgur.com/BFgym08.jpg

[Leo656]

:lol: That's good.

[Leo656]

https://www.cbr.com/lucasfilms-president-admits-star-wars-has-an-agenda-and-thats-a-problem/

Lucasfilm’s President Admits Star Wars Has an Agenda – and That’s a Problem

In brief, there's a mandate to "lighten-up" anything in Star Wars that might skew "too dark", and that's why the Boba Fett series turned out to be the opposite of what anyone wanted and will likely sabotage the Obi-Wan series as well.

As the article points out, the timeline setting for the Obi-Wan show would be right in the heart of what's literally called "The Dark Times", and so the fact that Kennedy scrapped the original writer and premise for being "too dark" and wanting to do a more "hopeful" show is major cause for concern.

Ewan as Obi-Wan was the best thing by far about the Prequels. But it's a huge shame that people whined so much about the Prequels that we never got a real sequel series or something Back Then instead of the Disney fanfic stuff we're left with. No matter what they put on screen, you know that in the back of your mind that's not what "really" happened in those stories. People watch the Boba Fett show and go "Jesus, that ain't Boba Fett". And so it all seems so pointless.

The right time to do something with Ewan as Obi-Wan was around 2008 or 2010-ish, but people were still being pissants. Now all that's left is this FAKE Star Wars stuff. It's a real shame.

[Andrew NDB]

The right time to do something with Ewan as Obi-Wan was around 2008 or 2010-ish.

I dunno... I think around 2015 would have been about right. Though even now is fine, too (it's just a shame under this regime). Enough time needed to pass that we "missed" him and normies to re-appreciate the prequels.

And it doesn't sound like "let's lighten it up" is quite that simple here. The other articles said the original writer was thinking too "small," like they probably just took the Obi-Wan movie script and padded it out to 6 hours at first.

[Leo656]

I dunno... I think around 2015 would have been about right. Though even now is fine, too

No. Nothing post-Disney buyout counts. It's all just fanfiction with a budget and almost all of it goes entirely against the original spirit of the material. Just like Nick TMNT is FAKE TMNT.

Therefore, a real Obi-Wan project needed to happen before 2012. Anything after that is a f*cking wash.

It'd be like IDW putting out a couple issues of a comic and saying it's "The Long-Awaited Conclusion To Mirage Vol. 4!" They can call it whatever they want, we all know it's not because whatever they put out is in no way at all faithful to what the original creators and storytellers intended. Just like those three trash movies Disney made are in no way the actual conclusion to the story presented in Episodes I-VI. They made movies saying that's what happened post-"Jedi", but we all know that's not true.

If George Lucas started a blog or posted something on ff.net talking about the adventures of Obi-Wan between "Revenge of the Sith" and "A New Hope", that would immediately supersede anything Disney puts out insofar as being "the real story". Disney Star Wars does not count.

[Autbot_Benz]

3Yh_6_zItPU

[Andrew NDB]

Why is it showing Vader getting built again?

[CyberCubed]

I really hope this is better than the Boba Fett show. The only good eps of it were the Mandolorian episodes, lol

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I'm a little peeved at the Boba show. I really thought they were up to something clever with showing him all good guy-like, reformed and business-like but nope. It was just everything it appeared to be: a watered down nothing of a Boba Fett story.

[sdp]

Should be stupid fun, I'm sure just seeing Obi Wan again will be neat but I mean the plot doesn't sound too compelling.
There's potential but who knows how it'll go.

[Mayhem]

Why is it showing Vader getting built again?
Upgrades? Maybe bits of his suit eventually wear out and need replacing. They could be incorporating bits from the comics where the Emperor literally tears him down in testing his loyalty to the Dark Side and then builds him up again.

[Stephen]

Or he's been in his bacta tank and then having his armor reapplied.

[Andrew NDB]

Or he's been in his bacta tank and then having his armor reapplied.

That's more than armor being reapplied. They're screwing in his arms again.

[Mayhem]

Maybe the metal and circuitry doesn't react well to Bacta heh

[Warhorse]

https://www.cbr.com/lucasfilms-president-admits-star-wars-has-an-agenda-and-thats-a-problem/

Lucasfilm’s President Admits Star Wars Has an Agenda – and That’s a Problem

In brief, there's a mandate to "lighten-up" anything in Star Wars that might skew "too dark", and that's why the Boba Fett series turned out to be the opposite of what anyone wanted and will likely sabotage the Obi-Wan series as well.

As the article points out, the timeline setting for the Obi-Wan show would be right in the heart of what's literally called "The Dark Times", and so the fact that Kennedy scrapped the original writer and premise for being "too dark" and wanting to do a more "hopeful" show is major cause for concern.

Ewan as Obi-Wan was the best thing by far about the Prequels. But it's a huge shame that people whined so much about the Prequels that we never got a real sequel series or something Back Then instead of the Disney fanfic stuff we're left with. No matter what they put on screen, you know that in the back of your mind that's not what "really" happened in those stories. People watch the Boba Fett show and go "Jesus, that ain't Boba Fett". And so it all seems so pointless.

The right time to do something with Ewan as Obi-Wan was around 2008 or 2010-ish, but people were still being pissants. Now all that's left is this FAKE Star Wars stuff. It's a real shame.
I bet you any money that those people are the real reason why George Lucas decided to sell Lucas films. He was getting so much hate and grief from those rabid fans that he was like, screw it, and gave up. Same types of fans are also hating on J.K. Rowlings. Seriously, they are the worst own enemy.

[Sumac]

I bet you any money that those people are the real reason why George Lucas decided to sell Lucas films. He was getting so much hate and grief from those rabid fans that he was like, screw it, and gave up. Same types of fans are also hating on J.K. Rowlings. Seriously, they are the worst own enemy.
The reasons for the hate are quite different.
Lucas, with all due respect, failed to deliver good movies with a prequel trilogy and pissed a lot of fans by doing so. JKR hatred is mostly due to the rabid psychos on Internet.

[superstaff]

I bet you any money that those people are the real reason why George Lucas decided to sell Lucas films. He was getting so much hate and grief from those rabid fans that he was like, screw it, and gave up. Same types of fans are also hating on J.K. Rowlings. Seriously, they are the worst own enemy.

Probably.

I didn't like the prequels, and I thought Lucas became more overzealous over the years with his filmmaking. But I never, like, harassed him on the internet. Or Ahmed Best, even though I disliked JarJar. Or Jake Lloyd. It's pretty disgusting the way people think they're entitled to try ruining others lives over crap like this. But then again, people are nasty to each other even outside of celebrity culture.

[Andrew NDB]

Probably.

I didn't like the prequels, and I thought Lucas became more overzealous over the years with his filmmaking. But I never, like, harassed him on the internet. Or Ahmed Best, even though I disliked JarJar. Or Jake Lloyd. It's pretty disgusting the way people think they're entitled to try ruining others lives over crap like this. But then again, people are nasty to each other even outside of celebrity culture.

I really don't have any sympathy whatsoever for the actors or creators who get "harassed on the internet" and complain about it. Not one iota. People have been saying mean things on the internet since the internet. Who cares? Get thicker skin or get out of the industry, I say. Nothing seems more pathetic to me than people -- particularly successful people -- claiming victimhood status because of tweets or nasty posts. If those things can "ruin their lives," then that says way more about them than the people making the tweets or posts.

[Andrew NDB]

Hayden really grew up.

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[superstaff]

I really don't have any sympathy whatsoever for the actors or creators who get "harassed on the internet" and complain about it. Not one iota. People have been saying mean things on the internet since the internet. Who cares? Get thicker skin or get out of the industry, I say. Nothing seems more pathetic to me than people -- particularly successful people -- claiming victimhood status because of tweets or nasty posts. If those things can "ruin their lives," then that says way more about them than the people making the tweets or posts.

It's not just mean things on the internet. It's people foaming at the mouth over the existence of other people. This sort of behavior is what's given birth to cancel culture. A lot of these fans take it three steps ahead, and literally stalk, harass, send dead animals to their mail, campaign to have them not get roles again, etc. It's one thing to say "I hate Jake Lloyd, he sucked in Phantom Menace", and another to have your Twitter followers call a studio and demand Jake Lloyd never work again (which I think literally happened to him and Best). I'm not really a fan of celebrities, mind you, though I don't think even they deserve to get harassed because they starred in a bad movie, and typically this also extends to the rest of populace as well.

[Sumac]

I really don't have any sympathy whatsoever for the actors or creators who get "harassed on the internet" and complain about it. Not one iota. People have been saying mean things on the internet since the internet. Who cares? Get thicker skin or get out of the industry, I say. Nothing seems more pathetic to me than people -- particularly successful people -- claiming victimhood status because of tweets or nasty posts. If those things can "ruin their lives," then that says way more about them than the people making the tweets or posts.
There is a difference between displeasure and harassment.
And while generally I agree that Internet harassment is definitely doesn't count as a real violence, being constantly insulted for years by autistic manchildren, because, you played character WRONG can be pretty exhausting and stupid, even for people with a good mental health and actors are usually not that.

[Andrew NDB]

There is a difference between displeasure and harassment.
And while generally I agree that Internet harassment is definitely doesn't count as a real violence, being constantly insulted for years by autistic manchildren, because, you played character WRONG can be pretty exhausting and stupid, even for people with a good mental health and actors are usually not that.

I can understand it being a nuisance (though, do they really HAVE to read it or engage with it? what is forcing them?) but no, not at the level where they're claiming their lives have been impacted in any measure beyond background noise on the internet when they so choose to look at it.

If Hayden Christiansen was getting out of his car and people were routinely throwing soda on him shouting, "Hey, you SUCK as Anakin!" then that's something else entirely.

[superstaff]

If Hayden Christiansen was getting out of his car and people were routinely throwing soda on him shouting, "Hey, you SUCK as Anakin!" then that's something else entirely.

They have. Ahmed Best said this has actually happened to him a lot.

[Andrew NDB]

They have. Ahmed Best said this has actually happened to him a lot.

As long as we're being clear and talking about IRL stuff and not mean tweets and posts then I agree, yes. That's messed up.

[superstaff]

As long as we're being clear and talking about IRL stuff and not mean tweets and posts then I agree, yes. That's messed up.

Well, there's mass harassment campaigns that happen online that spill into real life. Basically cancel culture. It happens to regular joes as well, and it's harder for non-celebrities to get back on their feet after being cancelled and harassed in real life.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, there's mass harassment campaigns that happen online that spill into real life. Basically cancel culture.

I'd be careful about misrepresenting what cancel culture is, because cancel culture is a very specific thing and I'm not sure about lumping in other very specific things in there with it. Cancel culture is going after someone and destroying their livelihood/ability to provide for themselves or their families, period. Cancel culture is not some actor getting heckled at an airport or the grocery store something.

[superstaff]

I'd be careful about misrepresenting what cancel culture is, because cancel culture is a very specific thing and I'm not sure about lumping in other very specific things in there with it. Cancel culture is going after someone and destroying their livelihood/ability to provide for themselves or their families, period. Cancel culture is not some actor getting heckled at an airport or the grocery store something.

But...launching campaigns to prevent the actors from working is destroying their livelihood and ability to provide for their families.

[Andrew NDB]

But...launching campaigns to prevent the actors from working is destroying their livelihood and ability to provide for their families.

I'm a little bit doubtful there was any such campaign professing to do that, at least for the actors in question. Can you show me?

Now, I'm sure there is actual cancel culture campaigns. Like "Fire Jordan Peterson!" and so on. "Fire Amber Heard!" certainly. I guess that is cancel culture.

[IMJ]

Cancel culture would have no legs if organizations didn't bow down to the mob. In a society of capitalism, the dollar is your mechanism of choice. Organizations should respond to that rather than a singularly loud group of blue hairs on twitter.

[Autbot_Benz]

First two episodes premiere this Friday

Obi-Wan Kenobi
@obiwankenobi
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The time for the Jedi is over.

Start streaming the two-episode premiere of #ObiWanKenobi this Friday on
@DisneyPlus
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[Andrew NDB]

The black actress in this was advised she would probably be getting a lot of racist blowback about being in the show:

https://fanfest.com/lucasfilm-advised-actor-obi-wan-kenobi-to-anticipate-racist-abuse-from-fans/?fbclid=IwAR2cITGLLCD8xospD2SXstt_jsEBVkTAMuGCJybG pl0oiLXGrtrOWGfHaok

[Vegita-San]

The black actress in this was advised she would probably be getting a lot of racist blowback about being in the show:

https://fanfest.com/lucasfilm-advised-actor-obi-wan-kenobi-to-anticipate-racist-abuse-from-fans/?fbclid=IwAR2cITGLLCD8xospD2SXstt_jsEBVkTAMuGCJybG pl0oiLXGrtrOWGfHaok

of course she was. lucas film divides and conquers now with this brain washing crap. even hayden claims to 'like the sequels ' now..

[CyberCubed]

Probably didn't help there were no major black actors in the original Star Wars trilogy. Or Asians. That's why Rose stuck out. The humans in Star Wars are aliens, why would they have all the same races our Earth does? Is there an African planet and an Asian planet somewhere with humans in space? It really doesn't make much sense when you think about it since on Star Wars all the humans don't come from the same planet anyway.

[Leo656]

Probably didn't help there were no major black actors in the original Star Wars trilogy.

Lando Calrissian just doesn't exist to you, Slapnuts? He was in one-and-a-half movies of the original trilogy for f*ck's sake. He was a huge deal. What are you even on about this morning?

Go have two cups of coffee and a good tug, then come back and try this again with a clear head and empty balls. F*cking JESUS, man.

[superstaff]

Lando Calrissian just doesn't exist to you, Slapnuts? He was in one-and-a-half movies of the original trilogy for f*ck's sake. He was a huge deal. What are you even on about this morning?

Go have two cups of coffee and a good tug, then come back and try this again with a clear head and empty balls. F*cking JESUS, man.

I was about to remind him of Billy Dee/Lando, albeit without the suggestion of a good, morning tug. :lol:

On a nerdier note, I think in Star Wars, humans aren't categorized by race at all, if I'm not mistaken, and are all labeled as 'human' regardless of skin color.

[Leo656]

I was about to remind him of Billy Dee/Lando, albeit without the suggestion of a good, morning tug. :lol:


Sheeeit I already had mine and am on to a hearty breakfast of mac and cheese. My day's going fantastic and it's not even 9. :lol:

I mean, I love Cubed but sometimes when he opens his mouth his ass falls out. But I am willing to believe he simply didn't get his required 6 gallons of caffeine before breakfast yet, because he's usually a lot sharper than to forget f*cking LANDO of all people. That had to have been a brain queef. He's better than that.

Or maybe, instead of coffee, he just needs some good old fashioned Colt .45. :tgrin:

...Some young punk is gonna ask me to explain why that's a joke and I'm gonna have to set them on fire, I just know it.

[superstaff]

To play Devil's Advocate, I think he meant major, as in, the main-main cast? The trio plus Yoda, Vader, etc. Some people don't seem to actually include Lando in that group. Personally, I do, because he was a prominent presence especially in ESB.

[Leo656]

He got to blow up the motherf*cking Death Star 2.0, what the f*ck do people want? He arguably did more in Jedi than Han or Leia did. They (mostly) tied up dangling plot threads, Lando actually Did Stuff.

[superstaff]

Lando is awesome. Even as a kid, I used to really like him, much more than the other kids who'd mostly care about Luke and Han. I was more the type that liked Leia and Lando. :lol: I also had a weird obsession with Yoda, and that was before they began, like, really pushing him in the merch department. I remember in the mid-90s until maybe a few years before the ST came out, the main characters they'd market were Vader, Yoda, generic Storm Trooper, and Chewie. There was other stuff with Luke, and the EU (specifically some of the figures based on the book arcs), but the general stuff geared to normies was mostly those four.

[Sumac]

The black actress in this was advised she would probably be getting a lot of racist blowback about being in the show:

https://fanfest.com/lucasfilm-advised-actor-obi-wan-kenobi-to-anticipate-racist-abuse-from-fans/?fbclid=IwAR2cITGLLCD8xospD2SXstt_jsEBVkTAMuGCJybG pl0oiLXGrtrOWGfHaok
Let me guess, they are pre-emptively preparing to deflect all criticism about her "brave and stunning" character, huh? Is show gonna be THAT bad?

[Autbot_Benz]

Kenobi will be up on Disney + at 9pm PT tonight.

[Shark_Blade]

Here we go.

[Andrew NDB]

Huh. I never expected for a moment we would also get Little Leia stuff on Alderaan, but here it is.

[Autbot_Benz]

ya that was cool to finally see Alderaan and Little Leia too . Good first episode. Will watch Ep 2 on Friday

[Andrew NDB]

I think a little bit too much time is spent on stuff they don't need to, and maybe they have too many villains (do we really need ALL these inquisitors?) and should've focused their plot a little more... but not bad at all. If I had to guess, I'm thinking the black inquisitor chick will become a sympathetic character and will possibly even be a romantic interest for Obi-Wan. They're pushing her pretty hard as ruthless so there's got to be a whiplash on that coming.

Also, obviously at some point soon we will get Liam Neeson talking to Obi-Wan. That's absolutely going to happen.

[Last Ronin]

Going by some plot leaks it seems this show is more focused on the black actress, as to probably why they expect a blow up of her character.

[Autbot_Benz]

Ending of Episode 2 was cool. seeing anakin in is bacta tank

[CyberCubed]

How do you guys feel about the acting of kid Leia so far? She's fine in some scenes but others a little off. I imagine people's enjoyment of this series will depend how Leia is handled in the next few episodes. The scenes of her running in the forest and the two henchmen falling over each other and into tree branches was hilariously bad.

Obi-Wan himself is handled well so far and his acting feels like no time has passed since 2005. I am surprised he did not know Anakin was still alive.

Not sure how I feel about, "The angry black woman" being the main villain in this. She feels like she'd trying too hard. Also if this her debut in the franchise of did she appear in any cartoons or comics before this? I don't know why she hates Obi-Wan so much.

[Andrew NDB]

Some bits of Lil Leia outrunning the guys in the forest (like, this is early F13 movies bad) and running across the rooftops was a bit bad. Like, if a couple of those takes were the best they had they shouldn't have used them. I'm OK with the rest.

Yeah, I was surprised Anakin being alive was news to him.

[Andrew NDB]

The black actress in this was advised she would probably be getting a lot of racist blowback about being in the show:

https://fanfest.com/lucasfilm-advised-actor-obi-wan-kenobi-to-anticipate-racist-abuse-from-fans/?fbclid=IwAR2cITGLLCD8xospD2SXstt_jsEBVkTAMuGCJybG pl0oiLXGrtrOWGfHaok

And wow, look, here is the Star Wars channels preemptively responding to the racist blowback that doesn't even exist for the actress:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/31/entertainment/moses-ingram-obi-wan-kenobi-racism-cec/index.html

It's like they want to will the racist blowback into existence.

[superstaff]

And wow, look, here is the Star Wars channels preemptively responding to the racist blowback that doesn't even exist for the actress:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/31/entertainment/moses-ingram-obi-wan-kenobi-racism-cec/index.html

It's like they want to will the racist blowback into existence.

I've seen way more hate for kid Leia than for Reva.

Though I think the fans blaming the actresses/characters for the show's failings are being incredibly shortsighted.

Blame Lucasfilm.

[Sumac]

It's like they want to will the racist blowback into existence.
Of course, they do. They need to justify their whining about racists everywhere, otherwise how their narrative survive?

[Vegita-San]

And wow, look, here is the Star Wars channels preemptively responding to the racist blowback that doesn't even exist for the actress:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/31/entertainment/moses-ingram-obi-wan-kenobi-racism-cec/index.html

It's like they want to will the racist blowback into existence.

that much should be obvious. if they didn't have a discord, they wouldn't have a reason to be. their entire existence is based on fixing something that got fixed long before they where born.

as for the actual show, I got through episode one with only5 minutes or so left. So far? I don't hate it. Lea is pretty spot on. the Organa's are ok. I don't like the older cousin knowing Lea's supposed adoption secret. I don't like the fact that somehow jedi younglings escaped simply by running through the middle, in wide open space, of all the fighting. seems impossible. I don't like Reeva's NYC accent. I don't like the accent of the jedi on the run. seems like he came off the street from NJ.

but so far, VERY small nitpicks. the pacing is good, characters are mostly good. I just hope the leaked ending was reshot.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I hope the implication is not that some of those Younglings survived by just running out the front door. We saw from the prequels there's really just the one way in or out of the temple (that long walkway over nothing) and I'm pretty sure the armies of Clonetroopers would notice.

Also, there has to be some kind of mind-wipey thing for Leia, right? She's 10, not like 2 or 3. I'm pretty sure she's going to remember the first Jedi who she ever met who made her hover in their first meeting when she meets him again 10 years later. She even remembers her mom and that was when she was a newborn.

[Andrew NDB]

Jesus... now they got Ewan McGregor responding to these imagined (or possibly concocted) racist backlash to the black Inquisitor lady:

IEQYBJk4FkQ

Skip just a few seconds into it to hear it. Ugh!!!

[Leo656]

Literally the only thing I've seen or read about this show at all was "How dare they open it with a school shooting in the middle of everything going on?" And how they should have postponed or reshot it.

Otherwise I haven't seen anything.

[ZariusTwo]

Skip just a few seconds into it to hear it. Ugh!!!

What's wrong with it? he's right on the money and there is an evident racist backlash, only the usual scum excuse it as 'criticism'

[superstaff]

Literally the only thing I've seen or read about this show at all was "How dare they open it with a school shooting in the middle of everything going on?" And how they should have postponed or reshot it.


I thought it was hilariously tone deaf given recent events. :lol: Usually they'll postpone something like after a school shooting or whatever, for 'sensitivity' reasons. I guess Disney didn't care this time.

[Leo656]

They'd hyped it up too much to postpone it, I think, and probably shot and edited it too long ago to redo much of anything.

I mean, I get why people are uncomfortable, but as I understand it, it's a direct callback to the Order 66 scene in RotS, which would in turn directly affect and inform the plot of this series, so... eh. If we can never depict any fiction that has a parallel to real-life events - even uncomfortable ones - that leaves us with very little to work with, ultimately. Like, when would it come around to be "less icky" and "more acceptable"? One month later? Six? A year? Clearly that wasn't gonna happen. Should they have cut the entire thing? Should they HAVE to? It's worth a conversation, but it's not like they were trying to be insensitive or salacious.

Timing was undoubtedly unfortunate but eh, whatyagonnado. Some people found "Cloverfieled" insensitive due to its razing of NYC and characters onscreen wondering out loud if it was another terrorist attack... and that was YEARS after 9/11.

I'm inclined to think - without having seen the scene in dispute, I'll remind - that some people would have found the same scene just as "insensitive" even if it were a year out from any real-life events. But also, that they were theoretically right to include such a scene for the sake of storyline continuity.

But again, didn't actually see it. And probably won't. Disney Star Wars? YUCK! :lol: Can't see myself ever being that bored, but you never know.

[Andrew NDB]

What's wrong with it? he's right on the money and there is an evident racist backlash, only the usual scum excuse it as 'criticism'

The problem isn't that it's being excused as "criticism," the problem is that it's being acknowledged at all. These are Twitter handles and Instagram accounts! Right now myself or anyone could go and make 20 fake accounts on either and troll people as a fake racist just for fun if I wanted to. There isn't, like, real people you can follow these back to. Are the posts of, say, "chimerabat_20391" or "akira4ever$$21" or whoever really something worthy of putting under the magnifying glass?

We circle around and arrive right back at: boo hoo! Mean people on the internet said mean things to you? Wahhhhh!!! What purpose is shining a light on this serving? Just to tell us how anti-racist you are?

Though in this particular case this seems very manufactured. Disney braced the actress for racist internet backlash weeks in advance before there was the slightest hint there would be any, Disney got in front of it publicly and loudly before it even happened... now we're getting messages from all the cast about how horrible that there's a little bit here and there, maybe? This is a stupid marketing campaign to get people to notice the strong black female lead they have. That, "see? It's not JUST a straight white male here, folks!" But it never needed to do it.

I thought it was hilariously tone deaf given recent events. :lol: Usually they'll postpone something like after a school shooting or whatever, for 'sensitivity' reasons. I guess Disney didn't care this time.

They'd hyped it up too much to postpone it, I think, and probably shot and edited it too long ago to redo much of anything.

I would've understood if they postponed it a little, not if they edited the scene. And they certainly don't need to apologize for it. And a fictional leader ordering thousands of fictional military soldiers to execute all fictional magicians in another galaxy isn't quite the same as "whackjob goes into a school IRL and starts shooting children indiscriminately" and it's even a little insulting to try and conflate the two.

[Autbot_Benz]

Episode 3 was very good lots of Vader. So far Kenobi is a million times better than book of boba fett

[IMJ]

Really looking forward to Episode 3....

[CyberCubed]

This episode was better than the first two, and was entertaining the whole way. Darth Vader vs Obi-wan went as you would expect with Obi-wan being out of practice. The only thing I don't get is why Vader didn't just lift Obi-wan from across the flames or even jump over it. I guess you can assume he let him go on purpose. The actress playing kid Leia was also really good in this episode.

Also James Earl Jones voice was very good, there's speculation they modified it digitally to sound more like his old self, his name is in the credits so we know he's still voicing him.

[Andrew NDB]

This episode was better than the first two, and was entertaining the whole way. Darth Vader vs Obi-wan went as you would expect with Obi-wan being out of practice. The only thing I don't get is why Vader didn't just lift Obi-wan from across the flames or even jump over it. I guess you can assume he let him go on purpose. The actress playing kid Leia was also really good in this episode.

Is there a sense that "this is it" as far as the Darth Vader material in this show?

[CyberCubed]

Obi-wan and Vader need another rematch so their encounter in the first movie makes sense. Vader calls Obi-wan the Master and they're evenly matched there, whereas here Obi-wan is outclassed. The only way the movie fits now is if they have a rematch and Obi-wan defeats Vader or does damage enough to him before he escapes.

[Leo656]

I disagree with that. I mean it would be nice fanservice BUT I think it would very heavily contradict the movies' narrative.

That line of dialog in A New Hope and the way RotS supports it pretty heavily implies that was the last time they saw each other. Darth Vader in Full Darth Vader Form being called "but the learner" in ANY context would ring false, and "when I left you" heavily implies that he means WAY before he went Full Vader, which would imply Ep. III and no later.

...Not that Disney has had ANY problem contradicting the established movie narrative. Just saying, it wouldn't make any sense under any scrutiny whatsoever. They'll probably do it just for the hell of it but that doesn't mean it's not a screwy thing to do.

[Andrew NDB]

Technically Vader said "when I left you, I was the learner." Meaning when he was being trained by him. He didn't say "the last time I saw you." So eh, kind of works?

[Leo656]

In what context is he just "the learner" at this point?

I mean technically we're all "but the learner" since every day we absorb some new information. But that is a VERY philosophical way to take a statement that was clearly meant to be taken in a very literal and specific way.

[Andrew NDB]

In what context is he just "the learner" at this point?.

The more important piece of the quote is "when I left you." He only "left" Obi-Wan once, which was when he was his apprentice.

[CyberCubed]

Either way they have to fight again, with Obi-wan beating Vader in combat to show Vader is still inferior to him, which makes sense why they act the way they do in the original movie now. Vader needs to be the "learner" again, so Obi-wan has to teach him a lesson.

[Vegita-San]

Jesus... now they got Ewan McGregor responding to these imagined (or possibly concocted) racist backlash to the black Inquisitor lady:

IEQYBJk4FkQ

Skip just a few seconds into it to hear it. Ugh!!!

and all this 'uproar' over about 4 Suspicious looking DM's. Right out of the Feigbusters playbook.

[Leo656]

Just a little while ago I actually just read an article about people trolling celebrities' Inboxes.

It happens all the time, to EVERYONE. Most of the trolls do it specifically because they think the person is "too busy" to ever read or reply to it in the first place. It doesn't make it right, it's incredibly dumb, but I mean, it's a non-issue. This One gets called a racist name, That One gets called a fat bitch, This Other One gets called a gay slur or something... it's the nature of social media.

All a person has to do is not read it and it goes away. See a PM from a person you don't know, don't even read it, just Block and Delete or whatever. It's not like they're burning crosses outside of her f*cking house.

I'll probably never watch the show so I have no idea who this person even is, but I mean... crying about troll PMs is a bit middle school, isn't it?

[IMJ]

Technically Vader said "when I left you, I was the learner." Meaning when he was being trained by him. He didn't say "the last time I saw you." So eh, kind of works?

That's a great point actually. I hadn't considered that and I was wondering the same thing.....

Love this show so far, but I do wish that the Reeva chick was played as a Sith-hopeful rather than a hoodrat with a shank. But that aside, it's a great show so far.

[frank_one]

Obi Wan shouldn't have met Vader again between ep3 and ep4, it's just not how the story was supposed to be. It's a bad idea and we all know it. Unfortunately fanservice is the rule now and companies don't care about what is right or wrong, they only care about what is cool for the fans.

[Andrew NDB]

My biggest problem with the show is how flatly everything is shot. It all looks like TV, for the most part. In episodes 1 and 2 it's easy to not dwell on that, but episode 3 makes it super clear when Vader shows up. They shoot him like he's just another character on the show. Super flat. What really would help and boost things up several notches is some real Star Wars music. I truly don't understand the choice not to have any. If they didn't want to use the actual Williams tracks, surely they could have someone compose some Williams-like music, right? There's no way it could be a budgetary issue.

So I'm enjoying the show but it's a constant, "Man, this could have been so much better."

[Leo656]

I read that the budget was slashed and production was rushed.

[AquaParade]

My biggest problem with the show is how flatly everything is shot. It all looks like TV, for the most part. In episodes 1 and 2 it's easy to not dwell on that, but episode 3 makes it super clear when Vader shows up. They shoot him like he's just another character on the show. Super flat. What really would help and boost things up several notches is some real Star Wars music. I truly don't understand the choice not to have any. If they didn't want to use the actual Williams tracks, surely they could have someone compose some Williams-like music, right? There's no way it could be a budgetary issue.

So I'm enjoying the show but it's a constant, "Man, this could have been so much better."

I'm overall disappointed with all the Disney+ shows I've seen, except WandaVision.

They all feel too cheap for what they're trying to be. It's like budget-HBO for kids.

They pushed these as essentially being six-hours of the experience you get from the movies, but it doesn't feel that way.

[IMJ]

There are a lot of comparisons going around between this and the beats of the Last Jedi. I agree with all of them in the moment, but the thing is that there are episodes left to see how this really all plays out.

The show doesn't have to end with Ben in hiding and shamed and abandoning the Force like pathetic old-man Luke in TLJ. Now if the show wraps up that way, then it will be a $#!(show in hindsight.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm thinking Leia is taken home, mind-wiped of knowing Ben, one more fight with Vader, black chick will go good (there will be some kind of fundamental misunderstanding with her that will be clarified) and then... she'll die, maybe? Or they'll groom her for a spinoff, probably? We're running out of episodes but I think Obi-Wan will find some kind of love interest only to watch her die. Then in grief he returns to his Tatooine cave. Qui-Gon will show up as a Force Ghost either to psyche him up for the final Vader fight or to console him at the end and to remind him of the importance of watching over Luke. Maybe both. The end. I mean, what else could we really expect?

I wonder if a season 2 is in the cards? How long can they draw this out?

[IMJ]

I'm thinking Leia is taken home, mind-wiped of knowing Ben, one more fight with Vader, black chick will go good (there will be some kind of fundamental misunderstanding with her that will be clarified) and then... she'll die, maybe? Or they'll groom her for a spinoff, probably? We're running out of episodes but I think Obi-Wan will find some kind of love interest only to watch her die. Then in grief he returns to his Tatooine cave. Qui-Gon will show up as a Force Ghost either to psyche him up for the final Vader fight or to console him at the end and to remind him of the importance of watching over Luke. Maybe both. The end. I mean, what else could we really expect?

I wonder if a season 2 is in the cards? How long can they draw this out?

I think both this show and the Boba Fett show were adapted from scripts that were meant to be movies more than a decade ago. I doubt Obi Wan will be an ongoing show rather than a one off mini-series.

Seeing a Qui Gonn appearance would be pretty cool.

[superstaff]

There are a lot of comparisons going around between this and the beats of the Last Jedi. I agree with all of them in the moment, but the thing is that there are episodes left to see how this really all plays out.

The show doesn't have to end with Ben in hiding and shamed and abandoning the Force like pathetic old-man Luke in TLJ. Now if the show wraps up that way, then it will be a $#!(show in hindsight.

Knowing Lucasfilm, I think that ending has a very distinct possibility of happening. :ohwell:

[Andrew NDB]

I think both this show and the Boba Fett show were adapted from scripts that were meant to be movies more than a decade ago.

Well, beginning around a decade ago. 2012 is when the sale to Disney happened and I don't think George had any notion of an Obi-Wan or Boba Fett movie or anything. The only thing he was looking at doing was a Star Wars "Underworld" TV show.

I do 100% believe that the Boba Fett show was cannabalized from the carcass of Josh Trank's unmade Boba Fett movie. It absolutely feels like that. With Obi-Wan, though, there's been a lot of word that they threw out all of their original scripts (which would have been the ones deriving from the unmade Obi-Wan movie) because Kennedy said it was too dark, not "hopeful" enough.

[Sumac]

because Kennedy said it was too dark, not "hopeful" enough.
Ironic, coming from a bithchead who turned symbol of hope of multiple generations into a cynical bitter loser, just to prop her ****** bland Mary Sue.

[sdp]

We're getting oversaturated with shows, it's almost as bad as annual star wars movies they were going with before they ****ed it up. I mean these shows are all fanservice and bortherline canon fanfic. And yeah it's kinda cool but how long before people get tired of it?

Especially since we all know these shows will end up leading to the pointless sequel trilogy. I think at this point we should get an Episode X that actually does things well in moving the story, with Rey and ghost Luke with Jedi Fin to start something new and exciting for fans to attach to.

I'm conflicted, I love these fan service shows but at the same time I feel they don't have substance and only rely on our nostalgia. I mean I do want sexond season of Obi Wan and hopefully a fight with Maul and I don't care if it's been done in Rebels. It's not like Disney cares about their own continuity.

[Andrew NDB]

Especially since we all know these shows will end up leading to the pointless sequel trilogy.

That's really the crux of the problem, right there. No matter how good Mandalorian or Obi-Wan is, or Ahsoka turns out to be... we could get amazing season after amazing season... none of it makes one bit of difference, because at the end of the day we know that all roads lead to the sequel trilogy.

[superstaff]

Ironic, coming from a bithchead who turned symbol of hope of multiple generations into a cynical bitter loser, just to prop her ****** bland Mary Sue.

Yep...

Luke Skywalker is THE symbol of hope. Look, I don't want to get into it too much because I've had this argument many times in other places like Saltierthancrait on Reddit years ago, and I'm tired of repeating myself even to people who'd agree with me, but. Luke was done so damn dirty. That movie (that trilogy as a whole) did no one any favors, not the old cast or the new ones either. It was a complete and utter misinterpretation of what Luke and Star Wars as a whole meant. I'd have been down for Luke passing down his knowledge to a new Jedi, for him to form a special bond with someone like Rey. For Luke to be the new 'Yoda' or the new 'Obi-wan'. For better or worse, he's now known for being the dude who drank green milk out of an alien thing's titty, and dying awkwardly after being a failure. Oh, and trying to murder his nephew before the kid even did anything. ...Thanks, Lucasfilm. Killing Luke like that was the final nail in the coffin for me.


I'm conflicted, I love these fan service shows but at the same time I feel they don't have substance and only rely on our nostalgia. I mean I do want sexond season of Obi Wan and hopefully a fight with Maul and I don't care if it's been done in Rebels. It's not like Disney cares about their own continuity.

There you go. You said it yourself. Let me repeat that for posterity:

"I'm conflicted, I love these fan service shows but at the same time I feel they don't have substance and only rely on our nostalgia."

They hang on by a thin thread of fanservice and nostalgiabait. There's no substance, no real depth, no heart. It's just a series of events that lead from one morsel of fanservice to the next. That's what a lot of nuStar Wars is. That, and blending in really bad, poorly written moralizing.

[IMJ]

Well if they would churn out a pleasing product then there'd be more to it than nostalgia.

But it becomes nothing more than nostalgia, quite honestly, once the Last Jedi came out and mouth-breathers everywhere continued to pay for the content that offended them. Now fans who don't like "Riva" are called "racists". Keep paying for it, addicts! Keep paying for it, patsies!

Honestly, in the face of what has been happening the last many years and the fact that the consumer has been gaslit into a zone where if they don't pay for something they don't like they are called "racists", then f' it. Pirate. EVERYTHING.

There has to be some recourse for these agendas and so on. Don't pay for woke $#!(. Vet it. If it's good and you like it, then go reward it financially with a DVD or something. I haven't given Star Wars a dollar since sometime in December 2017. I haven't even gone back to buy any of the discs on 4k. I don't need 'em. At some point I might pick up The Mandalorian if they release it on disc, and even then I might wait to buy it used so Disney doesn't get my financial support for anything made during their woke $#!( climate or during Kathleen Kennedy's nonsense tenure.

I'll probably pay to see Indiana Jones because that I.P. is one of my primary things, but as more is released about it, if it's woke $#!(, I might not even pay to see that.

[CyberCubed]

Apparently this show is getting a second season. It being the most viewed show on Disney+ for a new series probably made them greenlit it right away.

Of course this show only has 6 episode a seasons, so another 6 would be coming. Kinda weird how these shows are so short. Even the new Star Treks have at least 10 episodes a season.

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe returning to Obi-Wan's cave on Tatooine will be like Tokyo for Han in the Fast & Furious movies. Like, "I'll go back to that cave one day... but not yet." So we keep getting season 2, 3, 4, etc., of new Obi-Wan adventures.

[sdp]

That's really the crux of the problem, right there. No matter how good Mandalorian or Obi-Wan is, or Ahsoka turns out to be... we could get amazing season after amazing season... none of it makes one bit of difference, because at the end of the day we know that all roads lead to the sequel trilogy.

I hated the sequel trilogy since Ep7 but hear me out. The Sequel trilogy takes place in the span of 1 year more or less. And nothing really happened so nobody cares about them but that works if they make an Episode X setting up a new story, it can be about the George Lucas idea of the Whills or whatever but something new that isn't Empire vs Rebels.

They can salvage the Sequel Trilogy in various ways. With Episode X they use the characters from the trilogy but give them an actual reason for us to care about them, a new Jedi order with Finn and others in new adventures that isn't them just fighting a new Sith or a new Empire.

But what about the pointlessness of the sequel trilogy and all the events that spit on the OT? Well that's what they're already doing, giving us an interesting post ROTJ content. The comics are already giving backstory on who the Knights of Renn were and how exactly Palpatine created the First Order. Basically giving us explanations of why the sequel trilogy is just a "the Empire's last desperate attempt at returning". I think the retcons they are doing do help the Sequel Trilogy make more sense and they're doing all the heavy lifting. Give it a few more years and the sequel trilogy won't be as bad with all the explanations they give us as to why every ****** decision happened, yes even stuff like why Luke gave up and all that through some good story in a book and not the lame ass explanation we got. Retcons to the rescue.

I think it can be done, I just don't know Disney understands why the sequel trilogy failed. My fear is that Disney found success again in star wars with shows but hasn't really understood why people are liking it so I don't know how well they are going to fix the ST. I'm not that attached to SWs anymore after the ST so I don't care as much if they mess it up again, I'll just enjoy what I like about SWs and that's it. I'm just saying, if they had the right vision they could salvage it.


They hang on by a thin thread of fanservice and nostalgiabait. There's no substance, no real depth, no heart. It's just a series of events that lead from one morsel of fanservice to the next. That's what a lot of nuStar Wars is. That, and blending in really bad, poorly written moralizing.

I mean I agree with you but then again I haven't really watched the shows, just read the synopsis and watched the fanservice scenes so perhaps I'm not the best to judge.

To me all these shows read like actual live action versions of what we saw in the cartoons/comics/books. And it's cool, it's fanservicy but cool, especially to see those type of adventures in a "real" format that people actually respect unlike when it's a cartoon/comic/book.

Like I stated above: My fear is that Disney found success again in star wars here but hasn't really understood why people are liking it and they're just milking it and it's going to lead to more bad star wars and an oversaturation of it.

[frank_one]

The Sequel trilogy takes place in the span of 1 year more or less. And nothing really happened so nobody cares about them but that works if they make an Episode X setting up a new story, it can be about the George Lucas idea of the Whills or whatever but something new that isn't Empire vs Rebels.No Luke, no Han, no Leia, no Empire, no rebels. So why keep calling it Star wars? There is no reason to be waiting for a sequel of a saga if nothing of that saga is left. Maybe we shouldn't wait for a Star Wars Ep 10 but Something Else Ep 1.

[Andrew NDB]

They can salvage the Sequel Trilogy in various ways. With Episode X they use the characters from the trilogy but give them an actual reason for us to care about them, a new Jedi order with Finn and others in new adventures that isn't them just fighting a new Sith or a new Empire.

I mean, I agree there is definitely an Episode X to be made that somewhat sifts through the rubble of 7-9 and builds a new trilogy we can come to care about, maybe weaving in characters they can take time developing on the TV shows. Does anyone in charge seem like they've learned from any of their mistakes, though? No.

And 7-9 can be retroactively made to be more meaningful and acceptable... as long as we're excluding Luke, Leia, Han, and the New Republic from the equation. No matter what, Luke ends up spending decades on a planet fishing with a stick for no reason and then gets killed sending out a projection of himself the next week. Han still leaves his wife to be a smuggler again for no reason, then gets killed by his only child for no reason... who also goes on to get killed. Leia still goes on to be an old maid who dies for no reason (beyond the actress playing her died). And no matter what stories they do set between 6 and 7, even if we get the Thrawn saga or whatever they're planning, everything that Luke, Leia, and Han fought for in 4-6 didn't matter in the slightest. The Empire just came back in 7 and it's right back to square one.

And I really despise Kennedy and them suddenly telling us the episodic Star Wars movies are "The Skywalker Saga." It wasn't supposed to be that. We didn't even see a Skywalker until the middle of the first episode and all 3 of those prequels were easily as much if not more about Obi-Wan than Anakin. Yeah, the expectation would be that we would see the bloodline trickle into subsequent trilogies organically but not forcibly stamped out. I feel like Kennedy and these hack writers saw those memes and Youtubers talking about "All the galaxy's biggest problems were caused by the Skywalker family!" so they set out to "fix" that because it was problematic to them.

[Sumac]

The problem was not just Luke being turned into a loser, but the fact that it was done to prop useless boring character.

It is typical behavior of a talentless hack of fanfic writer.

[Andrew NDB]

The problem was not just Luke being turned into a loser, but the fact that it was done to prop useless boring character.

It is typical behavior of a talentless hack of fanfic writer.

I mean, that is a thing they can do... but only if it turns out she is a worthwhile character with a journey we can sympathize with along the way that justifies doing all of that. Movie 1 I'm nobody, movie 2 I'm nobody, movie 3... oh I guess I'm a secret Palpatine k thks bye. P.s. I'm taking the Skywalker name because why not.

And "The Rise of Skywalker" remains probably the stupidest possible title they could have chosen for 9.

[superstaff]

The problem was not just Luke being turned into a loser, but the fact that it was done to prop useless boring character.

It is typical behavior of a talentless hack of fanfic writer.

For me, making Luke a loser was the biggest sin the sequels had. I hated the way every single character was written. All of them. But Luke was the worst, and most despicable. Again, I don't know if I feel like getting into it again after all these years because people became so entrenched on 'their side' that it felt pointless to even bring it up. Maybe someday I'll write a huge thing about how horrible the sequels treated the characters, and Star Wars as a whole.

Oh, and Luke is the heart of Star Wars. Some people have disagreed with me on that, but...I feel that if you destroy Luke, you destroy everything Star Wars stands for. I don't think the sequels can be fixed at this point. Not to go too far on that either, but 1) Lucasfilm doesn't believe they did anything wrong, and the fact that much of the post-sequel stuff's been getting acclaim and profits reaffirms this to them, 2) They can never retcon it, and use the trio from the OT again, they blew their only chance, 3) Even if they ignore Rey, et al, it doesn't mean they don't exist, and that the garbage from the ST isn't there, 4) They won't change. Star Wars is just a prop they can use to make money off of, and for political posturing... There's more, I'm just too exhausted to do this again. :tcry:

[IMJ]

It was ridiculous to have a 3rd part to the Skywalker saga come out, decades after the originals and not even have the main cast together doing anything on screen.

The whole thing was a pathetic disaster. And to be honest I couldn't believe that Mark Hamil agreed to do it and I couldn't believe that Harrison Ford agreed to walk out on stage as some kind of Han Solo apparition in the Rise of Skywalker. The coolest part of all of those movies was that we saw Chewie's f'n thumbs in TFA - something we hadn't seen before.

[CyberCubed]

So now that 10 year old Leia went on a big adventure with Obi-wan, it officially retcons her message from the original movie. Originally it seemed like she only heard of "General Obi-Wan" from the Clone Wars and serving with her father, there was no indication she ever met him. Now due to this show, Leia knows Obi-Wan and saying, "Please help me Obi-wan Kenobi, you're my only hope" is because he saved her as a 10 year old and now she wants him to save her a second time.

Kinda strange, especially if this show gets a second season they'll probably bring kid Leia back again and she might get to know him even more.

[Andrew NDB]

Mind-wipe. Has to be. There's no way around it. Obi-Wan probably performs it on her himself.

[Mayhem]

Doesn’t she only know him as Ben? I’m guessing she at least must know at some point he’s on Tatooine. I’m hoping it shows ObiWan getting his house at the end, the one we see him in ANH so he isn’t in that cave anymore.

[Andrew NDB]

Doesn’t she only know him as Ben?

Still, it's only 10 years. She's going to recognize him at 20, particularly with what's happening. You might forget your 8th birthday party... but you won't forget the first Jedi you ever met in your life who made you levitate the day you met him when you're 10. That's going to stick and I don't think they'll insult our intelligence quite that much to insinuate that it won't on its own.

[Andrew NDB]

black chick will go good (there will be some kind of fundamental misunderstanding with her that will be clarified) and then... she'll die, maybe? Or they'll groom her for a spinoff, probably?

So it turns out it's the latter:

https://www.screengeek.net/2022/06/09/obi-wan-kenobi-reva-spin-off-series-disney-plus/

Suddenly Disney's preemptive "anti-racial shielding" (AKA: nu-marketing) of Obi-Wan for her makes complete sense. Also, way to go to prematurely kill any suspense whatsoever about her fate in Obi-Wan.

[IMJ]

I say go for it Disney! Go for it! Just like the planned Rian Johnson "trilogy" and all of the other woke $#!(. Keep putting it out there, give it a shot. Let's see this audience who "demands woke $#!( content" support it.

[Andrew NDB]

Two years from now:

"Reva season 1 failed because of racist, fascist bigots!"

[CyberCubed]

I'm definitely not going to watch a show about an angry black woman.

[IMJ]

I'm definitely not going to watch a show about an angry black woman.

I don't see a problem with a show about "an angry black women" at all. But her portrayal of an evil Sith lord is horrible.

If she went in to play a fantasy-laden Sith rather than a hoodrat with a shank and an attitude there probably wouldn't be the backlash.

[frank_one]

I'm definitely not going to watch a show about an angry black woman.This message is perfect, pure art. I want to remember it.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't see a problem with a show about "an angry black women" at all. But her portrayal of an evil Sith lord is horrible.

If she went in to play a fantasy-laden Sith rather than a hoodrat with a shank and an attitude there probably wouldn't be the backlash.

Not to sh** on your point, but apparently she isn't a Sith or a Sith Lord. All the inquisitors are just basically "Diet" Dark Jedi who barely have any powers and as a result rely on their twirly lightsabers to better deflect blasts and stuff. At least, this was what was explained to me by others because I never saw "Rebels."

[IMJ]

Not to sh** on your point, but apparently she isn't a Sith or a Sith Lord. All the inquisitors are just basically "Diet" Dark Jedi who barely have any powers and as a result rely on their twirly lightsabers to better deflect blasts and stuff. At least, this was what was explained to me by others because I never saw "Rebels."

Okay fine, then take my exact post. Replace "Sith" with "Diet Dark Jedi" and there you have it.

[Andrew NDB]

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[Coola Yagami]

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That dude is pretty cool. He's currently working on starting his own comic series that will branch out to its own comic universe. My props go off to him, bought his own building, his own business, his own printing press, etc. Whenever he make his comics that are non-woke and the people try to complain, he won't be able to be cancelled because he is own boss. There's no one to 'suspend' or 'cancel' him.

Don't know the guy personally, but all the time and money he invested into this... gawd dayum, I'm envious but I wish him all the success in the world.

[Leo656]

I liked when Adam Corolla was on Bill Maher's panel a few weeks ago, and there was some roundtable discussion going on, and one of the panelists said that racism and white supremacy were clearly the biggest problem facing America, and Corolla just said "That's bullsh*t." :lol:

So much manufactured outrage. Literally "manufactured". And people wonder why the current crop of "stars" can't be taken seriously, and all vanish into obscurity as soon as they get "famous"? Or why young people in general are so ill-equipped to navigate the Real World? All they do is whine and complain about how unfair everything is and how everyone is an evil racist misogynist transphobe. And then they wonder why we get sick of them immediately.

[Andrew NDB]

I liked when Adam Corolla was on Bill Maher's panel a few weeks ago, and there was some roundtable discussion going on, and one of the panelists said that racism and white supremacy were clearly the biggest problem facing America, and Corolla just said "That's bullsh*t." :lol:

Is there a video of that up I can see? I see a 7 minute clip on Youtube of it but it's not very juicy. I did catch Bill Maher on the Adam Carolla Show a few weeks back.

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[Leo656]

I don't know, I'm not sure it went any deeper than him saying "That's bullsh*t" and a few people acting uncomfortable. I don't watch Bill Maher, I only catch snippets of it when I'm cooking or passing through the living room on my way to the bathroom.

[Andrew NDB]

Now they have Hayden talking about the racism:

https://insidethemagic.net/2022/06/hayden-christensen-speaks-out-against-star-wars-racism-rwb1/

[Coola Yagami]

Now they have Hayden talking about the racism:

https://insidethemagic.net/2022/06/hayden-christensen-speaks-out-against-star-wars-racism-rwb1/

Like Eric July says, they gotta keep trying to speak it into existence.

Like, nobody likes this character, nobody asked for this character. When you title a show after Obi Wan, you want it to be about him, not this fanfic POC. They probably cast a POC on purpose so that they can call anyone that complains about the **** writing a racist.

[Jester]

Reva tells Leia Obi-Wan, by name, died in the previous episode so there goes "She knows him as only Ben."

Didn't even bother de-aging Haden in tonight's episode's flashbacks...

[CyberCubed]

I genuinely couldn't tell if they de-aged them or not. Hayden looks a little older but not that much.

Reva should have died here, but I knew Disney would never let a black female killed on-screen like this. So the black female survives Vader stabbing her with the lightsaber because she is black.

[superstaff]

Why are you guys watching this show still?

It's the same thing for every Star Wars show (except Mandalorian, I guess). People hate the characters, particularly the new ones that end up taking over. People hate what is done to the canon characters. People hate the bad storytelling and character arcs. Show ends on an unsatisfying note, and the fans complain about how Disney Star Wars sucks.

...Then people tune in for the next Star Wars show. Spoiler alert: It's going to be the same stuff again. It's been clear, for years even, that Lucasfilm has their own 'vision' for Star Wars that they are not deviating from.

[AquaParade]

I ditched out of Disney Plus a few weeks ago. Moon Knight was sort of the last straw for me. Not a bad show, and the acting was great, but definitely not the quality or tone I was looking for, and I love the character in the comics.

I thought they had me up their ass when they announced there would be live-action MCU shows, but they aren't satisfying to me at all. I'm still enjoying the MCU movies - albeit, a little less - these days, but the shows don't feel up to that standard, as was promised. And even at that great standard, a lot of it is starting to feel the same.

Then Book of Boba Fett also made me question what I was paying for.

I'm hoping they can pull me back in within a year or so, by stepping up the quality and diversifying in tone. I miss my Simpson's app.

[CyberCubed]

Well they didn't ruin Obi-wan or Vader. The black Reva is a mixed bag but there's nothing here that detracts them so far. The only oddity is Leia knows who Obi-wan is personally now whereas in A New Hope it seemed like she only heard of him from her father.

[Autbot_Benz]

This is still the 2nd best Star Wars D+ Show since Mando.

Love all the flashback stuff to Order 66 and AOTC anakin and Obi Wan having their training.

[Andrew NDB]

I still find moments to enjoy in this but I'm definitely not excited about seeing each new episode.

[sdp]

These shows are like the comics or books back in the day. Cool fan service stories with both cool moments and bad moments. That's how I view these projects or pretty much anything stat wars going forward whether a movie or not. Just more EU stories that you can take and choose what you find cool. The legacy of star wars is the Lucas saga Ep1-6 anything else is expanded universe to me, whether the old books, comics or new cartoons and shows/movies.

[mrmaczaps]

Duuuude, the actor playing Anakin looks OLD af in these new bits... camera guys need not get so close up... or install one of those snapchat filters to make him look younger. Lol.

[Andrew NDB]

That's about right with how he looks in RoTJ If anything it's Obi Wan that needs to be aging quicker to look like Alec Guinness

Though apparently that scene is even before AotC, since he has both hands and his old lightsaber.

[Andrew NDB]

"It's super OK."

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[superstaff]

"It's super OK."

OFIpmRoRAGU

I think Picard really did break Mike and Rich, thus why they're...so forgiving about Obi-Wan.

My opinions tend to overall mirror Jay's typically. It's especially true here when he's talking about his feelings about McGregor as Obi-Wan in the prequels, and about the horrible camerawork.

[Andrew NDB]

I think Picard really did break Mike and Rich, thus why they're...so forgiving about Obi-Wan.

My opinions tend to overall mirror Jay's typically. It's especially true here when he's talking about his feelings about McGregor as Obi-Wan in the prequels, and about the horrible camerawork.

I tend to mirror Mike, unless he's talking about the prequels or ST 2009. And then not so much. Though I really love the digging they did there and all the comedy stuff they did about the prequels... all of them, valid points. It's just... now we see the sequel trilogy and how much worse they could do, even with now practical sets and all.

So I saw the Obi-Wan finale. Very sound. I dug it. They even finally brought in some Williams music moments. After that ending... yeah. All this talk about "nono, this is a one and done season," these people are lying.

Though... not a super satisfying continuation/conclusion of the Third Sister's arc? It's not bad, but I feel like I'm missing something between episodes.

Also... no mind wiping Leia? At least, yet? Yikes.

[Allio]

Was there anything that Leia needed to be mindwiped about? Been a few years since I watched the original trilogy. The whole thing does feel like why Leia would hold Obi as her “last hope”

[ZariusTwo]

Loved that finale, made up for a pretty middling run of instalments, I love how it brought better context to the "betrayed and murdered your father" line from ANH with Anakin's confession. I also loved the callback to a popular prequel meme.

[IMJ]

I still haven't made it past episode 3....

[Andrew NDB]

Was there anything that Leia needed to be mindwiped about? Been a few years since I watched the original trilogy. The whole thing does feel like why Leia would hold Obi as her “last hope”

Why would Leia need to remind Obi-Wan that he helped her father in the Clone Wars when they had their own whole adventure much sooner ago than that?

[Jester]

Loved that finale, made up for a pretty middling run of instalments, I love how it brought better context to the "betrayed and murdered your father" line from ANH with Anakin's confession. I also loved the callback to a popular prequel meme.

I dunna, I found the "You didn't destroy Anakin...I DID!" from Vader to be to tidy. I could almost see Obi-wan saying, "Oh that's good...can I use that when I'm explaining this to your son in say 20 years?"

"So what I told you was true...from Darth Vader's point of view."

[CyberCubed]

Obi-wan calling him "Darth" in this after Anakin admits Vader killed him was a nice touch and fixes the plothole from the original movie when he called him Darth as if it was his first name.

Leia knowing and remembering Obi-wan does now make it seem like she specifically asks for him to rescue her again 10 years later like he does here. Also when Luke sees her for the first time after the "Are you a little short for a Stormtrooper?" line remember he says, "I'm here to rescue you I'm with Ben Kenobi!" And Leia responds "Ben Kenobi?!" and immediately jumps up. I think it fits rather well.

The rematch fight was good and about what you would want from this. So again Vader is the learner and not the master yet. Obi-wan also meets Luke briefly which fits with Luke saying he knew of a Ben Kenobi. Seeing Hayden speak through the mask was great too.

The biggest surprise about the show is how much I liked the little girl playing Leia. I thought she was going to be a misfire at first but I really liked her. I hope we get to see her again.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm happy with it. I don't feel duped with Hayden or anything, we got more than our fair share of Vader. If anything, this finally makes up for the prequel trilogy's "we're going to save Darth Vader in the suit for the very end, and only in 1 scene."

Also, was the damage to his helmet supposed to be the origin of that scar on his upper-right of his head?

https://i.ibb.co/B61ygQ7/download-1.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

I enjoyed the Finale too. Loved seeing force ghost Qui Gon at the end. I still think this series was really good. Makes up for the lackluster Boba show

[Andrew NDB]

I enjoyed the Finale too. Loved seeing force ghost Qui Gon at the end.

A nit, maybe, but I'd say it was in the wrong place. It would've served a better purpose if he showed up to Obi-Wan while he was buried under those rocks. As is, it just seems like it's teasing an Obi-Wan season 2.

[Sumac]

I always thought that Luke met Ben before events of ANH.

[AquaParade]

Speaking of Red Letter Media, I love their channel, because they are so funny and generally entertaining, but I rarely agree with them. I hate to say it, but sometimes their opinions come across a bit "snobbish" to me and I get the impression that they sometimes worry about how they'll be perceived by their tastes.


Now, that's just the vibe I get, so consider this my ass talking.

At the same time, they aren't willing to swallow a lot of the same crap that other reviewers are, which makes their reviews refreshing.


Either way, I really like their channel.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I thought the series was okay. The Obi-wan and Anakin parts were the best, didn't care about the Reva character one bit, just seemed kinda tacked in there, but she wasn't a bad character, just boring. I have absolutely zero interest in seeing a spin-off series with the character. I might watch a Kenobi season 2 though.

Why would Leia need to remind Obi-Wan that he helped her father in the Clone Wars when they had their own whole adventure much sooner ago than that?

Eh, I don't think there was anything in episode IV that indicated that Leia didn't meet Obi-wan and/or share an adventure with him as a child. Her spiel at Obi-Wan in R2-D2's recording ("General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the clone wars") was her trying to sound professional and diplomatic, even though she was trying to hide from the storm troopers on the Taintive IV. She didn't really learn anything in this series that needed to be mind wiped for episode IV to work.

[Jester]

Before Vader burried Obi-wan who else half expected him to say, "It's over Obi-wan I have the high ground!"

[Andrew NDB]

Eh, I don't think there was anything in episode IV that indicated that Leia didn't meet Obi-wan and/or share an adventure with him as a child. Her spiel at Obi-Wan in R2-D2's recording ("General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the clone wars")

That still reads as really clunky now.

[MikeandRaph87]

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Hayden Christiansen reveals an alternate/extended cut of the sixth episode will be released in the 1st quarter of 2023.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

That still reads as really clunky now.

True, what she said was kind of clunky, but George Lucas's dialogue has always been kind of weird.

[CyberCubed]

I always thought that Luke met Ben before events of ANH.

He does. I just rewatched A New Hope right after the last ep aired to see how it lines up. Luke says after seeing Leia's recording, "I wonder if she means Old Ben Kenobi" and then when Obi-wan shows up and rescues Luke from the Tusken Raiders later, Luke immediately recognizes him and says, "Ben Kenobi."

Another interesting thing is as I said before, when Luke tells Leia, "I'm here to rescue you I've come with Ben Kenobi!" we see Leia immediately jump up and say, "Ben Kenobi? Where is he?"

I also notice during Obi-wans death scene Leia only sees Obi-wan from afar as she's about to board the Millenium Falcon while Luke of course was right next to them firing after Obi-wan disappears. She also counsels him on the ship briefly when Luke says, "I can't believe he's gone," and "I wish Ben were here."

It's all vague enough to show both Luke and Leia knew him.

[Andrew NDB]

I guess I can buy it again. It'll make a rewatching of the OT interesting.

[CyberCubed]

I was paying attention to Obi-wans facial expressions when watching the Leia recording from R2. His actor really had a shock and surprised look on his face, which actually fits now knowing what Obi-wan went through before. Originally it looked like Obi-wan was just confused who this Leia person was and who R2 belonged to, now it feels like, "Oh it's the same girl and Anakin's daughter I saved 10 years ago! She's in trouble again?"

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Can't believe some people would actually defend this show, honestly, does anyone think this was good?

People need to stop watching, so they are forced to make GOOD shows.

[frank_one]

Can't believe some people would actually defend this show, honestly, does anyone think this was good?

People need to stop watching, so they are forced to make GOOD shows.But how you can tell a show is bad if you don't watch it?

[superstaff]

But how you can tell a show is bad if you don't watch it?

Reading up on spoilers, plot synopsis, other people's opinions, reviews, etc. Sometimes you can tell by watching trailers or Youtube clips too.

[MikeandRaph87]

I only care about what is now being called The Skywalker Saga so this is the first non-film that interests me. As a fan of such I very much enjoyed it. I would like to see more if it is possible to expand upon beyond an extended cut of a particular episode of the mini-series.

[sdp]

Story might be unnecessary and create plot holes (like the prequels did) but I ****ing love this because the story feels like an Expanded Universe Novel or comic that any normies fan would ignore but with the actual actors, it's amazing.
I was a kid when Episode I came out so of course I wanted ghost QuiGon in EP 2 and 3 and was sad he never appeared again and seemed forgotten by Lucasfilm mostly because of the backlash Ep1 got. So to finally have Liam Neeson back is exactly what I wanted in Ep2/3.
I hope as hell season 2 brings back Maul to fight Obi Wan, i don't care that it was already done in Rebels, that's only a cartoon.

[CyberCubed]

Can't believe some people would actually defend this show, honestly, does anyone think this was good?

People need to stop watching, so they are forced to make GOOD shows.

Some eps were good, some were padding, and Reva's character was kind of unnecessary. But I liked many of the scenes with Obi-wan and young Leia. The rest of the show is basically Rogue One again as a series with Obi-wan helping some Rebels escape the empire.

Also I'm watching Better Call Saul and waiting for the rest of the season, so watching "good" shows doesn't stop anything else from being made.

[MikeandRaph87]

Who was the India guy who Obi-Wan gave his light saber to? He acts as if he is established but he is not a primary character in any Episode film.


It's hard to read, but is there romantic tragedy between Obi-Wan and Tala?

[Autbot_Benz]

Who was the India guy who Obi-Wan gave his light saber to? He acts as if he is established but he is not a primary character in any Episode film.



this is who he plays
Haja, a street-level con-man who assists Obi-Wan in his travels

[IMJ]

But how you can tell a show is bad if you don't watch it?

There are so many metrics and reports out there to help someone make a "buying decision" that only unreasonable people or extreme virtue signalers could fail to draw, or pretend not to draw some conclusions based on the available material.

I mean... c'mon seriously, man? It's the same heuristics you use all the time but never question when you see a trailer for a movie and say "I'll pass on that one".

Somewhere along the way parents taught their kids "you should read it before you judge it" and they did it as a method to get kids to absorb their homework. But too many kids never woke up and realized that it was a manipulation tactic and that we judge things on heuristics everyday. The amount of people on the internet who signal their virtue by relying on "you have to see it to judge it" fascinates me. They aren't revealing their deeply introspective behavior - instead they just look like peasants. I'm not necessarily talking about you, Frank_One, but I am hammering the point home.

[Andrew NDB]

It's hard to read, but is there romantic tragedy between Obi-Wan and Tala?

No, they pretty much wasted her. Random Rebel sacrifice #3884.

[CyberCubed]

Even then, the show is only 6 episodes long, so even if you're unsure if you'd like it or not, 6 episodes at roughly 40 minutes or so length is nothing to get through. This isn't the days of 22+ episode seasons where sitting through a show took some time.

Overall though they could have condensed it to about 4 episodes as some of the middle episodes retreaded the same ground of Leia getting kidnapped.

[Turo602]

The show would have been phenomenal if they removed the whole unnecessary Reva arc that had no business existing and being explored in an Obi-Wan mini-series, and if it had more of a Star Wars feel to it. The Anakin/Obi-Wan stuff was perfect and having Obi-Wan abandon his post to help Leia was a great way to kick off a story in this time period, but I wish they would have done a little bit more to blend both eras of Star Wars so we get a better sense of transition from the prequels to the original trilogy.

[CyberCubed]

If there is a Season 2 we'll see more prequel stuff since Qui-Gon as a ghost will be there and I don't think they can have Obi-wan and Darth Vader meet a third time without ruining continuity so they have to do something else. So anything involving Darth Vader is probably off the table unless he just briefly appears in cameos which would be fine.

I don't think young Leia can come back either, unless she just doesn't meet Obi-wan again. Then again I don't know what else you can do with her.

[Andrew NDB]

The Reva series will probably be about her hunting the other inquisitors. So there's that. Maybe they'll have Obi-Wan show up in that and play second fiddle to her.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

But how you can tell a show is bad if you don't watch it?

I watched the first 3 episodes, and I could stand no more, I watched breakdowns etc for the rest.

We need to make a stand, stop watching.

[frank_one]

We need to make a stand, stop watching.It's just a tv show, pal.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

It's just a tv show, pal.

Yea an horrendous one:lol:

[Vegita-San]

I dunna, I found the "You didn't destroy Anakin...I DID!" from Vader to be to tidy. I could almost see Obi-wan saying, "Oh that's good...can I use that when I'm explaining this to your son in say 20 years?"

"So what I told you was true...from Darth Vader's point of view."

bingo. it's explaining stuff that doesn't need explaining. and creating new plot holes in the process....as well as further destroying luke's character.

Lea can free herself from a roped chair on her own somehow, and almost escape her own prison..but luke can't even run down a hill without tripping and going unconscious?

[Andrew NDB]

Lea can free herself from a roped chair on her own somehow, and almost escape her own prison..but luke can't even run down a hill without tripping and going unconscious?

lol... that's a good point, actually.

You can kind of hear the thought process behind the scenes as things go. "You're doing an Obi-Wan show about Obi-Wan, a straight white male? OK, well then you have to devote half the show to a strong black female character we're going to make up for it." "You're going to feature Little Luke at all? Then you need to have Little Leia evading kidnappers and jumping over rooftops, etc." And so on.

[Leo656]

lol... that's a good point, actually.

You can kind of hear the thought process behind the scenes as things go. "You're doing an Obi-Wan show about Obi-Wan, a straight white male? OK, we'll -then you have to devote half the show to a strong black female character we're going to make up for it." "You're going to feature Little Luke at all? Then you need to have Little Leia evading kidnappers and jumping over rooftops, etc." And so on.

Oh that was definitely, 100% the conversation in the writers' room. I predicted that sh*t from the jump.

Haven't seen the show, honestly don't know if I ever will, but absolutely none of the stuff people are saying about surprises me. I knew it wouldn't be a "real" Obi-Wan show, not in this day and age.

[CyberCubed]

bingo. it's explaining stuff that doesn't need explaining. and creating new plot holes in the process....as well as further destroying luke's character.

Lea can free herself from a roped chair on her own somehow, and almost escape her own prison..but luke can't even run down a hill without tripping and going unconscious?

I don't see how kid Luke who got less than 5 minutes of screentime falling down is "destroying his character."

[CyberCubed]

I watched the first 3 episodes, and I could stand no more, I watched breakdowns etc for the rest.

We need to make a stand, stop watching.

The first ep was fine showing Obi-wan on his own after 10 years. Second ep was the weakest. The middle definitely could have been condensed into 2 episodes. The last two were good.

[Autbot_Benz]

I don't see how kid Luke who got less than 5 minutes of screentime falling down is "destroying his character."

Not to mention it was super dark on Tattooine so he probably didn't see where he was going. As usual Vegeta reaching :roll:

[Andrew NDB]

But I mean, it's a valid point. You have Leia ducking through the forest like a triathlon athlete avoiding 3 grown male pursuers, then deftly hopping across rooftops in the next episode... and when the show finally gets to Luke, yeah, he's almost immediately falling down in the desert knocking himself out.

It doesn't kill the show or the character for me or anything but it's definitely worth pointing out.

[Leo656]

All male characters in fiction nowadays HAVE to be presented as more helpless and less-competent that their female peers. It's a rule.

Geena Davis started a whole group to ENSURE that it becomes and stays a rule.

It's all f*cked, guys.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/HLZRg5z/gg.jpg

Oh yeah, I didn't even think about this one. The show DOES make Obi-Wan telling Luke that make a lot more sense now.

[CyberCubed]

I never noticed before that Obi-wan smiles at Vader before he kills him in the first movie. In a way Obi-wan trolled Anakin right up until the end. He beat him 3 times (in Episode 3, then twice in the Obi-wan series), and the last time of course Obi-wan lets himself get killed but does it in such a manner that Vader doesn't get his victory. Not to mention Obi-wan goes poof and doesn't even leave a body behind, which is like not even giving Vader a dead body to look at either.

It's all pretty funny. Vader is 0-3 in beating Obi-wan.

[MikeandRaph87]

It's all pretty funny. Vader is 0-3 in beating Obi-wan.

Obi WON!

Say what you will, but Obi did allow Vader to win in A New Hope, so technically Vader never had a true victory.

McGregor argued that Vader SHOULD HAVE won the last duel, but Kennedy overrode him.

[IMJ]

We need to make a stand, stop watching.

It's just a tv show, pal.

More like "stop rewarding financially". The simple fact is that as a consumer your spectrum of action ranges from "power" to "patsy". The difference between the two is whether or not you give money to the people and organizations that insult you, bombard you with agenda content, or simply produce material that you aren't satisfied with.

Star Wars has actually been insulting, repeatedly now for some time. Only a patsy would give the company money if they feel this way. That's the consumer choice regardless of whether or not it's "just a tv show". Consumer choice works for everything no matter how frivolous it is. That's the point of voting with your dollars. Don't pay for woke $#!(.

Obi WON!

LOL!

[Andrew NDB]

Given how Yoda and Luke died, would it be fair to say that Obi-Wan went into the Force on his own? As in, Vader's lightsaber never actually went through him? In that case nobody won.

[MikeandRaph87]

Given how Yoda and Luke died, would it be fair to say that Obi-Wan went into the Force on his own? As in, Vader's lightsaber never actually went through him? In that case nobody won.

I am fine with that. I just don't see Vader ever having a true victory over Kenobi.

[ProphetofGanja]

This show's main offense is that it was supremely boring :lol:

Oh well, Star Wars gonna Star Wars

[Turo602]

Given how Yoda and Luke died, would it be fair to say that Obi-Wan went into the Force on his own? As in, Vader's lightsaber never actually went through him? In that case nobody won.

But wouldn't he have to die first in order to become one with the force? Yoda died of old age, Qui-Gon was stabbed but never vanished, and Luke was "exhausted." It was probably just done poorly, but Obi-Wan did say strike me down and I shall become more powerful, and Vader swung at him all the way through even though you don't see anything get cut. Though Obi-Wan did pretty much let him.

[ranger_scout]

I finished the series with my dad and my brother. It was simply fantastic. Ewan McGregor hasn't lost his magic at all and the story really did keep everything canon within the films.

[Jester]

Something dawned on me: With all the things from A New Hope they felt the need to explain away (which seems to be a theme in these Star Wars prequel things....Han "Solo" because he has no one...) there was no explanation as to why Obi-Wan chose Ben as his name in exile.

[Andrew NDB]

there was no explanation as to why Obi-Wan chose Ben as his name in exile.

Oh, I'm sure that's coming. Or there's already a book or comic or video game explaining it.

[MikeandRaph87]

Something dawned on me: With all the things from A New Hope they felt the need to explain away (which seems to be a theme in these Star Wars prequel things....Han "Solo" because he has no one...) there was no explanation as to why Obi-Wan chose Ben as his name in exile.

I wonder why he only made an alias for his first name. Kenobi isn't exactly Smith or Jones. I suppose it could be said in the Star Wars universe that it is, but I doubt it.


My favorite part was the point of the duel between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi which Kenobi damaged Vader's mask. The voice changing back and forth between Christiansen and Jones was cool and symbolic of the transition from one to another in Anakain to Vader and the two trilogies.

[MikeandRaph87]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/obi-wan-kenobi-season-2-192710833.html

It's the only thing that legit excited me since Rise of Skywalker tried to piece together the shattered vase left behind by Johnson. A shame.

[IMJ]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/obi-wan-kenobi-season-2-192710833.html

It's the only thing that legit excited me since Rise of Skywalker tried to piece together the shattered vase left behind by Johnson. A shame.

I would've liked to see more Obi-Wan, but there is a point where they'd be really shoe-horning a lot into a period where he was supposed to be living quietly under the radar, watching over Luke.

I liked the first season - you could see a solid movie script in there somewhere amidst some of the other content. And the moments that were great were truly great. I want more Obi-Wan.... but.... do I?

[Andrew NDB]

I'd like to see him have a low key romance story, something to give him a little light during 20 years of staring at sand dunes through binoculars. Though obviously that would fly in the face of "letting" people believe Obi-Wan (and Luke) are secretly gay, and that's super important to these people, apparently.

I was kind of hoping for a couple more, maybe smaller and tighter seasons. They can take their time with it, though, I don't need that anytime soon.

[MikeandRaph87]

I was under the impression that Tala was a love interest, but then she got fridged before anything could become of it. Other than that I didn't care about the inserted Reba character.

It was worth it for the Obi-Wan vs Anakin/Vader fights.It also gave Christiansen vindication for his line delivery with the Christiansen/Jones dialogue going back and forth showing the wooden delivery of Vader post-suit. Unless the Luke as a hologram and analog of a junkie getting a high for the first time in 20 years is fixed this is as good as it will get in-live action if you, like me have only interest in the original trilogy characters.