New He-Man Netflix Series

[Vegita-San]

After the crap that is she-ra, I am VERY VERY scared.

[Candy Kappa]

She-ra is fantastic, you just lack taste.

I'm excited for a new show.

[TurtleTitan97]

Can confirm, She-Ra is awesome.

[ABrown]

"picking up from where the original 80's animated series left off". Hmm, well the last that was seen from that series was crossovers with She-Ra. So, I'm not sure what exactly what that will mean.

Me personally, I would've rather seen a continuation of the 2002 Mike Young Productions He-Man series. But that'll probably never happen.

The Netflix She-Ra series has been, interesting. But I wish it would've been an action cartoon. I would assume that this series will be.

[JonesyKitty]

I'll also say I actually enjoyed She-Ra. I did'nt think I would but my girlfriend likes it so I gave it a shot. We binged the whole series and by the end I actually really liked it. Only complaint was some of the animation looked cheap and shoddy occassionally.

[Autbot_Benz]

She-ra is fantastic, you just lack taste.

I'm excited for a new show.

no he doesn't lack taste he just hates women :lol:.

Anyway you got the super fanboy himself Kevin Smith as Showrunner so its gonna be good

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The Netflix She-Ra series has been, interesting. But I wish it would've been an action cartoon.

It is referred to as "action-adventure", "science fantasy", "magical girl" (is that really a genre, I would rather say concept) and "sword and planet".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She-Ra_and_the_Princesses_of_Power

[Candy Kappa]

"magical girl" (is that really a genre, I would rather say concept)

It's a genre: The “magical girl” (mahou shoujo) genre is an anime genre that involves a female protagonist who is able to use magic. Typically, they are able to transform into some kind of magical superhero to defend against evil forces.

[neatoman]

Just gonna point out here that there has only really been three He-Man cartoons and two She-Ra in MotU's nearly 40 year history, and only the first He-Man was known commercially successful (the new She-Ra might be, but it's one of those streaming shows that treat 6 episodes as an entire season, so who really knows). Not to mention how the new She-Ra was the first MotU cartoon in 14 years. And the comics seems like they can't keep an ongoing for more than two years.

I'm not a fan of this franchise but it seems kind of odd to me that something can enjoy so much success for the first two years, then never manage to bounce back despite numerous attempts at a revival. Transformers cartoons have basically never had more than a two year gap between them since 1996, and all three concluded TMNT cartoons have 120+ episodes each. What's preventing MotU from catching on again?

[Allio]

She-ra is fantastic, you just lack taste.

I'm excited for a new show.

It’s an okay show at best

[Vegita-San]

it's best to ignore the trolls that still think it's 2016 :)


Anyway, as to success of series.. blame cartoon network for the 2002 shows downfall. I think that show could have easily run for 5 years if the toys where better and the time slot was stable.

[TommyT]

I’m having trouble with the Kevin Smith part. He’s about as anti action as it get’s, and basically dick and fart jokes. This is Michael Bay and TMNT all over again.

[Vegita-San]

I’m having trouble with the Kevin Smith part. He’s about as anti action as it get’s, and basically dick and fart jokes. This is Michael Bay and TMNT all over again.

yeah, that, and the description that makes it sound more like a teela quest series than a he-man series.

Too early to get interested yet.

[TommyT]

Teela is cool, but the set up sounds like He-Man will be missing for most of the show, while they try to find the Powersword.

I’m also not too excited for yet another re-imagining of this universe. He-Man worked as a weird show, with a whimsical internal logic that you just kind of accepted as a kid. The revamp in the 00’s tried way to hard to ground it, if you ask me.

Smith is not as terrible as the crazy person running She-ra, but equally unsuited to bring MOTU back. Smith doesn’t do absurd, he’s the guy who thought through super sperm, and its deadly effects on Lois Lane. He’ll want to explain the magic, not add to it. This is bad news all aroond.

[newfan]

I'll take a look for curiosity, I'd rather it didn't have the same animation as the She-Ra show but that isn't likely.

[ZariusTwo]

I'll take a look for curiosity, I'd rather it didn't have the same animation as the She-Ra show but that isn't likely.

The people behind Castlevania are animating it, it's not going to look like She-Ra at all.

It’s an okay show at best

yeah, the Katra and Adora stuff aside it's just...there really. People only make a big deal out of it because "muh representation"

[AT-Man]

First of all, the new She-Ra is great. I've got no idea what to expect from MOTU Revelation yet, so I'll just wait for more information. If it'll continue from where the Filmation show left off... more weekly episodes with little to no connective tissue?

[TommyT]

Pixel Dan interviewed Kevin Smith. He promised none of his ideas were going to be in this, and that they were just going to continue the show.

[Skinrash]

The quality of Kevin Smith's output seem to be very inconsistent. This could go either way.

[drgon78]

The new She-Ra is utter garbage and is She-Ra only in name. I don't care about Netflix, the only thing I even liked from them is Stranger Things.

[AquaParade]

Okay, so I heard Kevin Smith hinting about what this project could be, over the last couple months, on one of his talk-shows. I didn't want to say anything prematurely, which turned out to be a good thing, because I almost thought he was working on something for TMNT.

He kept saying it was a nostalgic property, not Marvel or DC, etc...Basically, it sounded like it could be a TMNT project. Honestly, even though He-Man is quite different from turtles, I feel like I wasn't far off with my guess, in a way.

Sounds crazy, but so did Kevin Smith working on He-Man and now we have it. Apparently it's inspired by the old He-Man promo and toy artwork. I could have almost imagined some Nick exec's trying to get the "new", lighthearted Kevin Smith to somewhat sterilize his stoner-humor and produce an 80's throwback to TMNT for netflix, based on the whacky, psychedelic artwork we saw on the original Playmates figures.

And I really feel like if you can't dive deep enough into the grit and danger that a "serious" version of TMNT requires, then you really should flip the switch and go 100% into the zany, whacky, colorful, psychedelic, potentially trippy side of TMNT. Like, I respect what 2k3 tried to do, but to me, it was caught in limbo. When you want to be serious, but you can't reflect on the the true consequences of violence, you're fighting a serious uphill battle. Best to go with the current in that case.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/kwIoCH4.jpg

All the usual whiny people on the internet are whining and crying woke just because Teela is the one who has to find the missing power sword. Its hilarious watching these people get their panties in a bunch.

[ZariusTwo]

https://i.imgur.com/kwIoCH4.jpg

All the usual whiny people on the internet are whining and crying woke just because Teela is the one who has to find the missing power sword. Its hilarious watching these people get their panties in a bunch.

This is how masculinity dies...with thunderous laughter :roll:

Don't have a problem with Teela being the lead (hopefully Adam accompanies her on the quest and they connect more), but I do find it interesting why cucks always have to post how "amused" they are that people are expressing legit concern over more pro-female lead propaganda in their shows..like it gives them power or superiority over them. Not big, not clever. Women aren't even attracted to these kind of ass kissers, they're considered walkovers.

[Vegita-San]

Autbot really needs to pick a side. he can't keep straddling the fence and expect to walk out with a pair.


As for this show, it REALLY sounds like it's going to be a teela journey, with minimal he-man.

Either that, or He-Man will be STUCK He-Man until the power sword is found.
I can't imagine it being all adam all the time.

[ZariusTwo]

I can't imagine it being all adam all the time.

I can, it's a common criticism of the original show that Adam was more of a wallflower, quick witted, but lacking in courage as part of the facade, but on occasion (like in "The Game Master"), Adam had to step up when he didn't have the sword and Teela admits at the end that some of Adam's qualities are what she looks for in a man, I'd like to see more of what Adam's capable of around Teela without the sword.

[Vegita-San]

Very true.

it would be nice to see more of that, especially if she's let in on the secret.

[TommyT]

Letting Teela in on the secret is a mistake, unless she does become the Sorceress.

Anyone know if they ever resolved the green snake Teela and the one from Filmation?

[sdp]

So this Netflix reboot is actualllya sequel to the original show? It's not in continuity with the She-Ra Netflix show?

I don't understand that reasoning, is it planned to be aimed at 40 year olds? Is the concept of He-Man even able to be interesting for kids?

[TommyT]

Considering the massive fan response, a continuation was exactly the right move.

[Autbot_Benz]

I don't understand that reasoning, is it planned to be aimed at 40 year olds?

Well for the fact its taking place after the original cartoon ended and then announced at Powercon the biggest He-Man convention should answer your question.

[TommyT]

I mean, I’m skeptical as hell, but, hell, why not make it for 40 year olds? I mean, is there any point in trying to get kids hyped? We’ll spend 10x the amont our parents did, on toys for us. It actually makes a lot of sense.

[ZariusTwo]

Letting Teela in on the secret is a mistake

How the hell is character advancement a mistake?

[Zulithe]

Is the concept of He-Man even able to be interesting for kids?
I'm skeptical, but if they can make the right changes then maybe. I hope that it can work because usually they would just completely reboot and reimagine every aspect which can result in an unappealing monstrosity that barely resembles the original source -- kinda like Rise of the TMNT :tlol:

It's refreshing to see them just say they are going to continue the original. That way they have a built-in fanbase but can still make alterations to make the show more appetizing for a modern audience.

They showed off a new line of toys priced at 14.99 a figure (with much better articulation and detailing than the original MotU figures) and at that price point they are trying to target kids. Sooo... we'll see what happens.

[sdp]

I think He-Man is just too of its time to be able to grab new kids, a new show continuing off the old one is definitely not the way to go either, the 2002 show seemed to know what to do but it didn't work. And no, going for 40 year olds is not going to be a good strategy even if they have a lot of income, it takes more than just a dedicated niche fandom.

The original show is just so dated, why would they want to continue that, the tone of the new show would just clash with the original unless it's only a sequel in the sense of "similar events happened but in a cooler fashion". A shame that they're both Netflix series and He-Ra won't be in continuity with this one. I'm not too invested in He-Man didn't grow up on it, have always been mildly curious about it.

Wasn't the space Adventures of He-Man also a direct sequel?

[TommyT]

I think He-Man is just too of its time to be able to grab new kids, a new show continuing off the old one is definitely not the way to go either, the 2002 show seemed to know what to do but it didn't work. And no, going for 40 year olds is not going to be a good strategy even if they have a lot of income, it takes more than just a dedicated niche fandom.

The original show is just so dated, why would they want to continue that, the tone of the new show would just clash with the original unless it's only a sequel in the sense of "similar events happened but in a cooler fashion". A shame that they're both Netflix series and He-Ra won't be in continuity with this one. I'm not too invested in He-Man didn't grow up on it, have always been mildly curious about it.

Wasn't the space Adventures of He-Man also a direct sequel?

I mean, that’s a fascinating opinion, but you’re clearly not the target demo. The response has been ridiculous. Nobody wondered why they brought back Star Wars, which is definitely of it’s time as well.

And right now, the 4 year old boys who were being ignored by their working moms in the 80’s are 40 year old men who are being ignored and put down by women all over again. Just like when they were helpless little boys, they want to scream

“i have the power”.

[ZariusTwo]

The original show is just so dated

The original show had a lot of genuinely well written episodes. Paul Dini, JMS, Bob Forward, it had a lot of notable names working on it.
why would they want to continue that

Because it has a fascinating lore that can be exploited.

Wasn't the space Adventures of He-Man also a direct sequel?

It was, and to date is the only He-Man series to have a conclusion (though a second season was planned)

[Coola Yagami]

I mean, that’s a fascinating opinion, but you’re clearly not the target demo. The response has been ridiculous. Nobody wondered why they brought back Star Wars, which is definitely of it’s time as well.

And right now, the 4 year old boys who were being ignored by their working moms in the 80’s are 40 year old men who are being ignored and put down by women all over again. Just like when they were helpless little boys, they want to scream

“i have the power”.

Pretty sure if a man yells out 'I have the power' nowadays he'll be surrounded by people yelling patriarchy, check your privilege, or just women in general saying 'no you don't'.

[TommyT]

Yeah, exactly why I think this show could find an audience in the over 40 crowd.

[Andrew NDB]

Don't have a problem with Teela being the lead (hopefully Adam accompanies her on the quest and they connect more), but I do find it interesting why cucks always have to post how "amused" they are that people are expressing legit concern over more pro-female lead propaganda in their shows..like it gives them power or superiority over them.

I tend to ignore it, but yeah, that's a thing. "You guys are losing your minds! LOLZ!!!"/"who's the snowflake now??" etc..

Eh, no.

Say, does this mean the "real" She-Ra could show up on the show?

[Vegita-San]

Pretty sure if a man yells out 'I have the power' nowadays he'll be surrounded by people yelling patriarchy, check your privilege, or just women in general saying 'no you don't'.

yep. People these days can smell an agenda a mile a way...or are at least attuned to the possability of it.

considering Teela was never a main character before... in that sense like Man At Arms, or He-Man where...the wording in there is a bit troubling.

But, like Zarius said, it could also mean that this will help expand adam's character more, so long as they actually care about story and don't go the she-na route.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, it's more than a little bit telling that She-Ra leads things out of the gate for a He-Man revival... and then when He-Man gets his own show later on, it's starring a female side character.

[sdp]

As I stated in the She Ra thread, I've always been curious about He-Man but it was before my time and it just didn't seem like it has ever clicked. I'm impressed by the lore it was able to built with such a silly concept. I only ever watched a few episodes of She-Ra growing up and never He-Man. Like ten years ago I rented a "Best 10 episodes of He-Man" DVD and all 10 episodes reeked of awful 80s writing so I stayed away.

I do hope She-Ra is in the show and that He-Man is in the She-Ra show, it'll be cool to see both interpretations be on at the same time. I could tell Netflix was thinking of investing in He-Man for a while now, they kept recommending that documentary for a long time like a year and a half ago.

[ZariusTwo]

Like ten years ago I rented a "Best 10 episodes of He-Man" DVD and all 10 episodes reeked of awful 80s writing so I stayed away.

Define "awful 80s writing" for the audience at home please. People use these buzzwords like it actually means anything, in truth I could say Princesses of Power has the same kind of writing. If people thought the writing was "awful" there would never have been a "best of" list compiled. The fact is that the true fans of He-Man can LOOK PAST the shortcomings to see some pretty good stuff in there.

Are people even still doing this? Bashing 80s cartoons was a popular thing in...like, 2002 or something. It's the primary reason I hated Toon Zone back in the day, all they would do was trash 80s cartoons when they came out on DVD. I love how irrelevant that site is now. At the end of the day, those cartoons still provide the backbone of modern nerd culture so they obviously did SOMETHING right. There's been remakes and reboots that have been far worse than anything the 80s threw at us, yet people are always far harsher on them than the dross they watch now.

[ABrown]

As I stated in the She Ra thread, I've always been curious about He-Man but it was before my time and it just didn't seem like it has ever clicked. I'm impressed by the lore it was able to built with such a silly concept. I only ever watched a few episodes of She-Ra growing up and never He-Man. Like ten years ago I rented a "Best 10 episodes of He-Man" DVD and all 10 episodes reeked of awful 80s writing so I stayed away.


When it comes to the original He-Man cartoon, this is what I tell people. If you didn't watch the cartoon as a child, I'd say you probably won't enjoy it as an adult. I love the character, but the original cartoon was a very poorly produced cartoon. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that I would tell those same people not to give this forthcoming series a shot. But you say that you gave the Top 10 set a shot and didn't like it? Then yeah, like I said, I'd say nevermind this series.

What you might want to give a try though is the Mike Young Productions 2002 He-Man series. That was an outstanding cartoon that was cut off too soon. It should've gotten at least another 26 episodes to finish telling its story. The series is kind of like to He-Man what the 4Kids series was to TMNT. Unfortunately the MYP 2002 He-Man didn't get anywhere close to as long of a run as the 4Kids TMNT series did.

[Andrew NDB]

To be fair, I never super got into He-Man. I remember casually watching a few and mostly digging it. My generation, as kids, I kind of became aware of it when there became a kind of a stigma about it. And then it sort of went away anyway.

Like, "Eww... you like He-Man? That's gay!" on the playground.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Bashing 80s cartoons was a popular thing in...like, 2002 or something.

Really? That was the time when 1980's nostalgia began to kick in.

[ZariusTwo]

Really? That was the time when 1980's nostalgia began to kick in.

Yeah, and there was a resistance to it back then for some reason.

While we definitely had more sophisticated shows in the 90s and 2000s, 80s cartoons got thrown under the bus too many times for their commercialism, almost as if the audience was resentful for being 'brainwashed' by them (yeah, they told you to buy toys you could have fun playing with, use your imagination, live by a decent morality code...what's to hate you ask? Apparently everything)

[TommyT]

What a surprise, the people hating are the same people who claim to not “get” He-man. I wasn’t a big fan of a number of things, and watching that content now, it will seem odd. It’s not bad writing, it’s of its time. He-man has child-like logic, it flows like a daydream, or a trippy hallucination. It starts, things happen, you’re told to be nice to your neighbor, the end. Looking or expecting deeper meaning here is pointless.
I’m sick of world building. Stop insisting everything has this vast universe of importance. People wonder why the 2002 He-man died so quickly, it’s because they removed the fantasy part. It wasn’t fun weird adventures, it became one more Joseph Campbell clone, in neon oatmeal.

He-man isn’t about action, it’s about escaping and exploration. If they don’t get the tone right, it’s going to flop.

[sdp]

I guess by awful 80s writing I mean the characters are for the most part bland and one note, the status quo rarely changes if it even dares to change, the bad guy always loses at the end and suffers from villain decay early on, the good guys are all always good etc. I still grew up with plenty of 80s cartoon reruns as a kid in the 90s and I could see even then the inferior quality of them. that's not to say all of them did it. Thundercats while also suffering from these things still managed to do so much more despite it. I do agree about ToonZone being trash, it was good forum for like 3-4 years.

I'm not trying to knock on He-Man, I'm impressed by the fandom and that despite the 80s writing it still managed to sneak in lore for fans to love and develop. The 10 episode best of dvd just didn't do it for me so I never checked out more episodes, I didn't say she-ra was better, just that I watched it, I'm sure it was the same quality.

Still I think making He-Man cool again is a tough, tougher than say Power Rangers which also has a hard time despite nostalgia of power rangers being a thing / cool now (https://miscrave.com/articles/power-rangers-are-cool/). And I don't think a show that only appeals to certain fandom no matter how loyal can succeed. Still I wish it the best and I'm sure at one point in my life I will dwell into He-Man just to check it out.

[Leo656]

Thundercats while also suffering from these things still managed to do so much more despite it.

The only thing Thundercats truly succeeds at is having a main character that looks like an impossible bad-ass, but is in fact the single most limp-dicked, useless putz in the entire pantheon of 1980s cartoon shows.

For real. Lion-O couldn't open a goddamn pudding cup without begging for help. Really jumps out upon re-watching. And it's not like he got any less useless as the show went on, either.

Meh.

[TommyT]

I guess by awful 80s writing I mean the characters are for the most part bland and one note, the status quo rarely changes if it even dares to change, the bad guy always loses at the end and suffers from villain decay early on, the good guys are all always good etc. I still grew up with plenty of 80s cartoon reruns as a kid in the 90s and I could see even then the inferior quality of them. that's not to say all of them did it. Thundercats while also suffering from these things still managed to do so much more despite it. I do agree about ToonZone being trash, it was good forum for like 3-4 years.

I'm not trying to knock on He-Man, I'm impressed by the fandom and that despite the 80s writing it still managed to sneak in lore for fans to love and develop. The 10 episode best of dvd just didn't do it for me so I never checked out more episodes, I didn't say she-ra was better, just that I watched it, I'm sure it was the same quality.

Still I think making He-Man cool again is a tough, tougher than say Power Rangers which also has a hard time despite nostalgia of power rangers being a thing / cool now (https://miscrave.com/articles/power-rangers-are-cool/). And I don't think a show that only appeals to certain fandom no matter how loyal can succeed. Still I wish it the best and I'm sure at one point in my life I will dwell into He-Man just to check it out.

I agree with you, coming at He-man cold, beyond the impressionable age of 5, it’s going to look stupid. I do think you’re underestimating the power of He-man, and indoctrination.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Masters of the Universe is much a product of Star Wars, that debuted in May 1977. Post-Star Wars, we also got fiction like.

Alien and Metroid

Asteroids and Space Invaders

Blackstar (and later, Masters of the Universe)

James Bond Moonraker

Some of the science fiction stuff in TMNT (even if TMNT also has borrowed a lot from Star Trek)

The list can be much longer. But it only shows how influencing and inspirational Star Wars was, spawning hundreds of trillions of cartoons, comics, films, books and video games. Some of them hard science fiction, other science fiction, and some more science fantasy.

[cammy85]

To be fair, I never super got into He-Man. I remember casually watching a few and mostly digging it. My generation, as kids, I kind of became aware of it when there became a kind of a stigma about it. And then it sort of went away anyway.

Like, "Eww... you like He-Man? That's gay!" on the playground.

https://youtu.be/Kv_-KOdM6Wk

[ZariusTwo]

Some bad new for the community, the fan-produced episode "Return of Faker" has been given a cease and desist by NBCUniversal and cannot be screened or released

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1Wv8S9Awuj/

[Voltron]

Wait, is the Teela thing true? Why not just name the show Teela, then?

Also, trying to put a more feminine emphasis on a show called He-Man is pretty stupid.

[AT-Man]

Wait, is the Teela thing true? Why not just name the show Teela, then?

Also, trying to put a more feminine emphasis on a show called He-Man is pretty stupid.

If it's called Masters of the Universe: Revelation, then it could technically be about any of them.

[Voltron]

That's a good point. Though it's a bit disappointing.

[TommyT]

If they continue the series, and it LOOKS like Filmation He-man, and has the vibe, like what James Eaton was doing with his Faker episode, it will be awesome.

If it looks like current animated shows, with simple designs and a weird CG hybrid look (Godzilla on Netflix) it will suck.

If it has any Kevin Smith isms in it, it will SUPER suck. The important thing is to make sure they go full out. If it’s Filmation He-man, then do that. If not, don’t pay lip service. Nithing worse than half measures.

[newfan]

I don't remember the last episode of the old show, I did watch a couple of eps when I noticed it on Neftix but they have taken it off since.

As for He-Man being the centric/main character, I'd hope he is, it is a continuation of the old show after all. Might just have some extra character arc focus?

I also didn't realise this was going to be Anime, or so I have seen on social media.?

[Andrew NDB]

Kind of sounds like TPTB decided on a "the future is female" route (which is not something new, and they were not unclear about their stance by leading with She-Ra which was not as popular in its time), went before the committee, the committee said "you know what would be totally contrary to mask our agenda? We hire Kevin Smith to do this!" And now Kevin Smith has to figure out some fu**ing way to make this not seem like what it obviously is.

[TommyT]

Kind of sounds like TPTB decided on a "the future is female" route (which is not something new, and they were not unclear about their stance by leading with She-Ra which was not as popular in its time), went before the committee, the committee said "you know what would be totally contrary? We hire Kevin Smith to do this!" And now Kevin Smith has to figure out some fu**ing way to make this not seem like what it obviously is."

Meaning what? What is it “obviously”?

[TommyT]

Damn it, so sounds a whole lot like Smith is up to his old tricks. He-man dick jokes, and not interested in the action, hates writing it.

A guy who hates action is writing He-man. Perfect.

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[Zulithe]

Yeah, I can't believe their process is literally that he writes "and here, such and such fight" and the animation studio fills in EVERYTHING else. what kind of **** writing is that?

[Vegita-San]

I still don't know why Kevin Smith is even attached to this.

He-man is a bigger name than he is these days.

[TommyT]

Yeah, I can't believe their process is literally that he writes "and here, such and such fight" and the animation studio fills in EVERYTHING else. what kind of **** writing is that?

Right? Because that’s how a show runner vehalves.

I still don't know why Kevin Smith is even attached to this.

He-man is a bigger name than he is these days.

Smith is one of the worst things to happen to nerd culture, ever.

[ZariusTwo]

Heard a rumour today (apparently coming from the former writer of Darkwing Duck for BOOM Comics)

Teela will have a female love interest

[AquaParade]

I love Kevin Smith. I'd love to hang out with him because he seems like such a great guy with a really calming presence. Seriously.

Not a huge fan of his movies, but I respect himself for being pretty self-made and ambitious at a young age. Plus, he is funny as hell, when he just talking as opposed to writing.

[neatoman]

Heard a rumour today (apparently coming from the former writer of Darkwing Duck for BOOM Comics)

Teela will have a female love interest

But isn't the meme that He-Man himself is the gay one?

[TommyT]

Teela is gay, because now everybody has to be gay. Statistics say only 5 out of 100 Americans identify as part of lgbtq, only a fraction of which would be lesbian, while most people assume it’s 1 in 4, and most people, if not everyone is bi-curious. ********.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/259571/americans-greatly-overestimate-gay-population.aspx

I wonder what’s led us to believe every 4th person is Gay. Not the propeganda of the last 20 years. Not ****ing Kevin Smith and his obsession with lesbians as his raison de etre for women not liking him;

This needs to stop. The public is being brainwashed, enough is enough.

And no, Teela isn’t gay, if anyone is gay, its Man at arms, He-man, all the men are big bears in that show. Teela is what we used to call a f*g-hag, a woman who wants a relationship with a man, but is afraid of straight men. So she plays house with gay men, because they’re safe, in that it will never happen. All the benifits of a relationship without having to have a real one.

[Leo656]

I always had a crush on Teela, so while watching her get down with another broad is intriguing in a certain context... Yeah, nah, we don't need to be going there.

More "subversion of expectations", I guess. "Most of the stories that take place after the Filmation cartoon in MOTU lore have Teela and Adam/He-Man eventually getting together and having kids? I GOT IT, now she's a lesbian. Tumblr is gonna FLIP!" :roll:

These characters were originally aimed at 4-year olds so I really don't know why this kinda thing needs to be forced into it, even if that same audience is now 40. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. They were hardly ever allowed to even have Teela and He-Man kiss because of Standards & Practices, but sure, let's just Go There for "woke" points.

I guess when you don't have faith in your writing, your plots, your characterization, your ability to entice old fans and earn new ones... settle for Shock Value, with Pandering on one side and Manufactured Outrage on the other. "No such thing as bad publicity."

Keep this stuff to the "clever" jokes that people who think they're witty make while watching the show. If they're really gonna be continuing the story of the old show, they've already got their work cut out for them. Focus on THAT. Just worry about making it Not Terrible, don't worry about getting mentioned on HuffPo.

God DAMN it, these people.

Hopefully the toys will be good.

[TommyT]

I need to feel there's a chance I can give Teela the D.

If not, why am I watching?

[drgon78]

It's bad enough they stereotype He-Man as gay, made She-ra gay, but they better not make Teela gay.

[Coola Yagami]

Teela is probably drinking the stuff they put in the water that makes the frogs gay.

No, but seriously. I think one issue is we all have our head-canons and personal ships, but fail to acknowledge that they are OUR personal head-canon and should never affect the actual product. These people grow up and get into tv and animation and now project their own fanfic fantasies once they get their hands on these shows. It should ****ing stop.

It's like if Cybercubed ever get his grubby hands on the Frozen franchise, Elsa would be supergay, sing about the gay, sleep with every woman in the movie, and have one of her lovers be named May and be voiced by Melissa Benoit.

I mean eventually we're gonna get one of those crazy girls get to make their own TMNT show and make Turtlecest canon cause they won't let their ship go.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

To be fair, I never super got into He-Man. I remember casually watching a few and mostly digging it. My generation, as kids, I kind of became aware of it when there became a kind of a stigma about it. And then it sort of went away anyway.

Like, "Eww... you like He-Man? That's gay!" on the playground.

I believe the joke of gay He-Man came in the early 1990's, as a way of slandering the 1980's.

[Vegita-San]

first time I heard of he-man being 'gay' was the crazy internet. I usually pay it no mind.

[sdp]

Most would never bat an eye if He-Man was gay, in fact, it'll just be my head canon until soon proven real. He's gotta come out sooner or later.

[

QUOTE=Coola Yagami;1829841]
I mean eventually we're gonna get one of those crazy girls get to make their own TMNT show and make Turtlecest canon cause they won't let their ship go.[/QUOTE]

Oh shell yeah!

[TommyT]

No, but seriously. I think one issue is we all have our head-canons and personal ships, but fail to acknowledge that they are OUR personal head-canon and should never affect the actual product. These people grow up and get into tv and animation and now project their own fanfic fantasies once they get their hands on these shows. It should ****ing stop.


I watched the Grinch movie from 2018 today. some of the new stuff was a little ham fisted, like making Pharrel the narrator, (why?) and adding some urban feel to the music (again why?). Cumberbatch was pitched up, (why! why?), but aside from all of that?

IT WAS AWESOME. somehoe, I watched an entire Dr. Seuss movie. It was so well done, I couldn't stop.

The story was okay, but the visuals were stunning.
At least, I wouldn't have, but then it hit me; they're taking great care to recreate the look and feel of the original. Somebody was trying really really really hard to bring as much of the classic feeling to life as they could.
And it really worked. Like, I watched a damn Christmas movie! And then, I noticed that is was directed by Yarrow Cheney & Scott Moiser. That last name, Moiser, might be familiar. He used to be the producer on every Kevin Smith Joint.

What I'm saying is, Kevin needs to talk to his buddy, and if he listens, we have a chance to get a quality He-man show.


It's like if Cybercubed ever get his grubby hands on the Frozen franchise, Elsa would be supergay, sing about the gay, sleep with every woman in the movie, and have one of her lovers be named May and be voiced by Melissa Benoit.


Now I want Cubed to direct Frozen tho.

[turtle1237]

I always had a crush on Teela, so while watching her get down with another broad is intriguing in a certain context... Yeah, nah, we don't need to be going there.

More "subversion of expectations", I guess. "Most of the stories that take place after the Filmation cartoon in MOTU lore have Teela and Adam/He-Man eventually getting together and having kids? I GOT IT, now she's a lesbian. Tumblr is gonna FLIP!" :roll:

These characters were originally aimed at 4-year olds so I really don't know why this kinda thing needs to be forced into it, even if that same audience is now 40. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. They were hardly ever allowed to even have Teela and He-Man kiss because of Standards & Practices, but sure, let's just Go There for "woke" points.

I guess when you don't have faith in your writing, your plots, your characterization, your ability to entice old fans and earn new ones... settle for Shock Value, with Pandering on one side and Manufactured Outrage on the other. "No such thing as bad publicity."

Keep this stuff to the "clever" jokes that people who think they're witty make while watching the show. If they're really gonna be continuing the story of the old show, they've already got their work cut out for them. Focus on THAT. Just worry about making it Not Terrible, don't worry about getting mentioned on HuffPo.

God DAMN it, these people.

Hopefully the toys will be good.

He-man and Teela may of never got it on, but guess who did? BraveStarr and JB that's who. They even had a nice kissing scene before the big battle. Yes for some odd reason BravrStarr could get away with a lot more than He-man.

[newfan]

Cast announcement
https://deadline.com/2020/02/masters-of-the-universe-revelation-mark-hamill-lena-headey-chris-wood-sarah-michelle-gellar-cast-netflix-anime-series-1202860165/

[Autbot_Benz]

Cast announcement
https://deadline.com/2020/02/masters-of-the-universe-revelation-mark-hamill-lena-headey-chris-wood-sarah-michelle-gellar-cast-netflix-anime-series-1202860165/

https://i.imgur.com/J6TdsmI.jpg

[newfan]

Sorry, would have been helpful if I had put up the list in my post. Surprised to see a few of those.

[ZariusTwo]

They include Alan as a different character rather than Skeletor, maybe they wanted a major celebrity to attract the clicks.

[Vegita-San]

he can still do the merman voice just fine.

and i'm sure man at arms isn't too hard.



a shame I don't think well of mark hamil these days as a person. he seems to veter on the edge between hard core normal fan and hardcore abnormal woke celebrity.

[Storm Eagle]

https://i.imgur.com/J6TdsmI.jpg

Henry Rollins is in on this? Awesome.

[drgon78]

Buffy as Teela, batman as Merman, Joker as Skeletor, Inspector Gadget's Penny as Priestess, etc. ...interesting.

I can't remember, so wich version of he-Man is this one again?

[newfan]

Buffy as Teela, batman as Merman, Joker as Skeletor, Inspector Gadget's Penny as Priestess, etc. ...interesting.

I can't remember, so wich version of he-Man is this one again?

Kevin Smith's Anime series, supposed to continue from the old show.

[ABrown]

This cast has me really excited. I watch the current She-Ra show, though I don't necessarily love it. But I have higher hopes for this.

[TommyT]

They include Alan as a different character rather than Skeletor, maybe they wanted a major celebrity to attract the clicks.

****ing blasphemy. This is going to suck, so god damned much.
It's a slap in the face. Hamil does like 3 impressions total. Skeletor will now sound EXACTLY like the Joker.


What Smith REALLY wanted to do, was make a Batman series, so now mr Hollywood is making a Batmanified He-man series.

Let's dig up some dirt on Smith NOW. Needs to be bloody cancelled.

[Leo656]

I'm torn because it IS a very strong cast and nobody can dispute the names or talent involved. But on one hand, I'm not sure that some of them are quite right for their given role, and on another, BOY does this seem like someone just gave Smith a bunch of money and told him to just go out and hire his buddies or whoever he personally fanboys over. I mean, putting his daughter and Mewes in it? Y e e e a a h, I think he's already putting too much of "himself" into this project. Like yeah Lou Schiemer had his daughter play multiple roles across the entire Filmation catalog, but all of Filmation was like six people. :lol: I'm sure that cost-effectiveness was even more of a factor than nepotism in that decision; here, not so much.

I have nothing against Kevin's daughter at all, I'm just saying it's an eyebrow-raising decision and shows kinda what his priorities are. "Me and my closest friends and family are getting together to goof on He-Man and have a few laughs on someone else's dime." That's my fear. Hopefully it's unfounded.

[Egon1982]

I think Tom Kenny should voice Orko.

[Stephen]

They include Alan as a different character rather than Skeletor, maybe they wanted a major celebrity to attract the clicks.

Perhaps, given his age - nearly 90 years old, they don't want to be too dependent on him for a main character, in case he dies anytime soon.

He also doesn't seem to be able to do the Skeletor voice anymore. Which is probably to be expected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxQ4RGwE3Ps

[Galactus]

He also doesn't seem to be able to do the Skeletor voice anymore. Which is probably to be expected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxQ4RGwE3Ps

That's probably it. Voices change over time and it probably wouldn't sound like fans expect. Look at the TMNT '87 cast other than Paulsen, they don't quite sound quite like they did during the classic. If you didn't know it was them you might think they were three people doing a reasonable but far from perfect impersonation of the classic VAs hence why I've never been too bothered that they weren't in Turtles Forever.

Plus I imagine that tonally Smith's version will be a bit more menacing than the classic Filmation Skeletor and Oppenheimer's voice may not fit with that interpretation.

[Leo656]

I'm very curious what makes you think the person who created the villain Onomatopoeia has any skill or interest in presenting a "menacing" villain. :lol:

I mean I'm open to hearing the reasons, certainly. It's just... it's Kevin Smith. The "Batman pissed himself" guy. I don't think he can write "menacing" without taking the piss out of it. And I say that as a reasonably big fan of his work.

[ZariusTwo]

Smith has come out and said the rumours about a lesbian Teela proving to be better at the He-Man role than Adam are false

[Egon1982]

So netflix doing two different shows?

[ZariusTwo]

Kevin shares a sample of the show's score, specifically the transformation scene

https://twitter.com/NXOnNetflix/status/1358807803549392900

[newfan]

And now I want to see something, I wonder how far along this is, I noticed a tweet from Mark Hamill saying he'd been voicing Skelator. Any idea when the planned release is?

[Leo656]

Allegedly "Summer", according to Smith. But who knows.

Tentatively excited. "Excited" because "More MOTU". "Tentatively", because "Kevin Smith".

I like Mallrats more than most people do, but he completely lost his mind (and his touch) at some point and his track record on licensed properties simply isn't very good.

....And can a Mod capitalize "He-Man" in the thread title over here? Fer Chrissakes... :tgrumble:

[NinjaPug]

Our first look at the new CGI Netflix series (the non Kevin Smith one). Sounds like the Kevin Smith series is coming out this Summer with the CGI series coming in the Fall.

Spoilered for size:

https://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2021/02/Mattel-Reveals-MOTU-CGI-Cartoon-Design.jpg

[Leo656]

For a second I felt like I'd stepped through a time warp, since this is three weeks old already; but then I remembered that 1. I only talked about it and shared that picture in the Toys section and not here, and 2. That nobody on this forum gives a sh*t about He-Man so I guess it makes sense that almost a month would go by without anyone else bringing it up. :lol:

For what it's worth, the response thus far has been overwhelmingly negative. Granted, it's supposed to be "for the kidz" anyways, but let's be honest, no kids like He-Man anyway, either. So what's really gonna be happening is, Dads who like He-Man are gonna "encourage" their kids to watch it, maybe, but like everything else it's really for the Dads and not for the kids, no matter what they claim otherwise. And "the Dads" are not happy at all with this, so I doubt many of them will "encourage" their otherwise-disinterested kids to give it the time of day, either.

I can't say I'm thrilled with it myself. His head is smaller than his hands, and his sword and costume are hideous. It's just not a good redesign. We'll see what comes of it, but I think it's far too "stylized".

[newfan]

I kinda could have imagined they would do something like that for kids show. I'll have a look at an ep for curiosity but it is the other show I have more of an interest in.

[Leo656]

I'll see it, but I have my doubts about both its effectiveness and its longevity. I have my reservations about the Kevin Smith project as well.

We shall see.

[Vegita-San]

WAY too over designed. like the PD Turtles. I can see why they wanted something different.. but when you can't make out detail...

[Leo656]

Somebody on the He-Man board Photoshopped it so that He-Man's head is even smaller and Battle Cat has monster truck tires on the sides of his legs. :lol:

[NinjaPug]

He-Man's head definitely gives off 2012 Nick series Slash vibes.

Outside of the front claws I do like the look of Battle Cat.

[Leo656]

Much has also been said about Mattel's ever-uglier and more garish attempts to create a He-Man insignia they can trademark rather than the Iron Cross.

I mean, seriously, what is that mess? I mean, I know it's an H and an M all crammed together. Logically, I know and understand that. What I mean is... no, seriously, WHAT is THAT? C'mon.

[ZariusTwo]

So...um...everyone gets a power-up in this?

Fresh off of gaining their newfound Powers of Grayskull, and fighting off a whole host of villains, our heroes -- Adam, Teela, Krass, Duncan, and Cringer -- face their most daunting challenge yet: spending their first night in their new home, Castle Grayskull! The teens do their best to settle in, but it's not so easy. The castle is definitely not what it seems: A labyrinth. A spooky puzzle-box of magic and mystery. Even its rooms have rooms! Follow along in this original graphic novel as our heroes battle monsters, flesh-eating snacks, and their own memories. The graphic novel will feature exclusive lore straight from the creators of the Netflix animated series, He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. Get ready for an action-packed adventure!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1338745492/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_VX9YS7ZDR1MJSNPWZPBZ

[Andrew NDB]

I like Mallrats more than most people do, but he completely lost his mind (and his touch) at some point

A combination of a lot of weed, a lot of people around him just nodding and laughing at his jokes (a different sort of George Lucas "yes men"), and a bunch of self doubt that set in around "Cop Out" all sounds about right to me.

Too bad. There was a period of time when he could've done any movie he wanted, and was in demand by all. Now he's just the guy that shows up in a lot of documentaries to explain and rave about geeky stuff, or does very small and weird new movies.

[Coola Yagami]

Lemme guess, Krass is the 'minority' character among all the 'whiteys'.

[superstaff]

I can't say I'm thrilled with it myself. His head is smaller than his hands, and his sword and costume are hideous. It's just not a good redesign. We'll see what comes of it, but I think it's far too "stylized".

Agreed. It looks horrendous to me.

[ZariusTwo]

Lemme guess, Krass is the 'minority' character among all the 'whiteys'.

Krass is Ram-Man's real name.

[Leo656]

Yeah, there's some uproar on the He-Man boards about it. Sounds pretty dreadful.

[ZariusTwo]

The Masters of the Universe are back and better than ever in this brand-new guidebook!
An ancient evil threatens Eternia once more, and it's up to He-Man and the Masters of the Universe to save the kingdom! This fun-filled guidebook explores the heroes and villains seen in the Netflix show, Masters of the Universe. This guidebook includes a poster and is bursting with exclusive lore from the new show. The power is yours!

https://www.amazon.com/He-Man-Masters-Universe-Guidebook-tie/dp/1338760858?&linkCode=sl1&tag=hemanorg-20&linkId=67260fe7b872d7a10c85b1aa4b7d952e&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Let our powers combine...:lol:

[NinjaPug]

First look at the Kevin Smith series. Releases July 23 (first half of the season)

https://ew.com/tv/masters-of-the-universe-revelation-photos-premiere-kevin-smith/

[Vegita-San]

everyone looks OK.

what I don't like are Teela, and Orko. Orko looks a tad too freaky.
and Teela looks too manly.

other than that, it's better looking than I could have hoped for given how badly she-ra looked.

[newfan]

Waiting for Leo to chime in.

I like the look of it visually, Orko was a little more different with a grim-sh (trying to think of the best word there) look to the toonish look we are used to. As of the story, do you think the isolation and abuse will be around Skeletor?

I'm interested in this, with some caution on the description (depending what exactly they do and if they over do it for example)

[ZariusTwo]

It's not just He-Man that has something special inside him, but every character and every viewer. We all have the power."

This literally sounds like something you would hear from a He-Man PSA.

[ABrown]

Looks pretty good. I'm definitely looking forward to this.

[ZariusTwo]

Another article

“I watched all of the TV series growing up, it was everywhere in the ‘80s,” he added. “These characters started off as toys and ended up becoming part of the global pop culture fabric. So much of this show has been possible because of the love and affection for this world at every level of production and the fandom surrounding this franchise. A big reason we got such top tier voice talent is because people genuinely want to be a part of this world. So many of us were touched by these stories and these characters early in our lives and were so happy to come back to Eternia. But even if you’ve never watched a single episode of the show or don’t know this universe at all, you can jump right into the story. It’s a really classic, universal action-adventure epic about growth, discovery, magic, and power. This series explores destiny in a fresh way. There’s a lot of reconciling with secrets, betrayal, trust, acceptance, love, and ultimately, loss.”

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/masters-universe-netflix-1234952573/

[ZariusTwo]

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[frank_one]

I like the art style, I hope it is supported by a good enough story.

[IMJ]

I like the art style, I hope it is supported by a good enough story.


From Yahoo Entertainment:

"We get to see them engage not just in clashing swords, but in far deeper conversations than we've ever seen them before," he explains. "It's not just simply like these two dudes [He-Man and Skeletor] have been trying to beat each other up for decades. We get to tell stories of abuse.

So we have the now,
-modern pejorative "two dudes" or "dudes" (you know... Dude-bro bad)
-We have "deeper conversations".
-"get to tell stories of abuse".

On another note entirely, why does Teela look like an emo-Britpop boy from the 80's in the group shot, and why does Evil-Lynn look like... well basically a man with a boob job? That's not what the world outside your window looks like, by and large.....

I hope this show appeals to.... whatever exceptionally small cross section of the human population this is intended to appeal to.

[TigerClaw]

From Yahoo Entertainment:



So we have the now,
-modern pejorative "two dudes" or "dudes" (you know... Dude-bro bad)
-We have "deeper conversations".
-"get to tell stories of abuse".

On another note entirely, why does Teela look like an emo-Britpop boy from the 80's in the group shot, and why does Evil-Lynn look like... well basically a man with a boob job? That's not what the world outside your window looks like, by and large.....

I hope this show appeals to.... whatever exceptionally small cross section of the human population this is intended to appeal to.
This show will appeal to the fans who watched the original series, and have grown up and have kids of there own.

[sdp]

How are they making a serious cartoon if it's a sequel to the campy cartoon? It's as if they tried to make Batman 89 a sequel to 60s Batman.

[TigerClaw]

How are they making a serious cartoon if it's a sequel to the campy cartoon? It's as if they tried to make Batman 89 a sequel to 60s Batman.
I think they just took all the lore and everything that happened in the 80s cartoon, and references all that stuff in this new series, But giving it a more serious take on events.

Its not like they are gonna show flashback scenes from the original series.

[Leo656]

Looks alright. All the chicks are a little too "butch"; almost makes sense for Teela but I never saw Evil-Lyn as someone who works out all that much. :lol:

Otherwise, art style looks pretty good, kinda like a more-detailed evolution of the 200X reboot series. Pretty much what I expected. Hopefully the story is good. Still sounds a bit "iffy", but we'll see.

[TigerClaw]

I like the art style here as they are modernizing the 80s designs.

Its too bad there's a small vocal minority that think this show is gonna be woke.

[Leo656]

I mean, it's a Netflix animated series and people have already seen what they did to She-Ra with that trash reboot. I get that it's still early going but people are just calling what they see, and they've been burned before so they have reasons to be cautious. For his part, Smith apparently shot down any rumors of Teela being a lesbian some time ago, but some people still don't believe him.

I did see that Teela's new "Ruby Rose" haircut caused something of a civil war on the He-Man forums today. :lol: Between that, the resting bitch face and the steroid arms, lotta people are like "...Well she sure LOOKS gay." :lol:

Anyways, "woke" or not, some people are nervous - based on various show descriptions - that He-Man is going to be sidelined after the first episode and that Teela is going to be doing most of the show's "heavy lifting". And if that ends up being the case, well... that'll suck. I mean everybody likes Teela, but nobody waited 30 years for a "revival" show only to have it focus on her and not He-Man.

Guess we'll find out in July. I don't blame anyone for having reservations, though. I mean, once upon a time everybody thought that Kevin Smith would be an awesome Batman writer. Then he went and wrote a Batman comic and it was the drizzling sh*ts, and now nobody trusts the guy. It's understandable. The guy made Batman piss his pants, how do we KNOW he won't likewise screw up He-Man? We don't know, until we see it.

For my part, I'm cautiously optimistic with STRONG emphasis on the "cautiously" part. The art style looks good, but that's just "Good job doing what you're supposed to do" kinda stuff. If the writing is poor then the art style won't make up for it. We'll see.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

At the very least, this looks better compared to how CN handled Thundercats. Low bar but still.:lol:

I'm not much of of He-Man fan but I do think the character designs look good. How hands-on is Smith in this? If he's writing for this show, that's very concerning. I don't think he has it in him to write anymore. His latest work is some abysmal stuff.

[ZariusTwo]

Its too bad there's a small vocal minority that think this show is gonna be woke.

The real minority are the woke. That's why their s*it doesn't sell.

[Leo656]

They all got deleted, but I thought your posts on the subject on the He-Man board were pretty spot-on, sir.

I mean, I'm not willing to take up arms and plant a flag just yet JUST over Teela's bad haircut and the fact that she's gone on the horse testosterone lately. But if He-Man ends up sidelined for most of the series and Teela ultimately becomes the Big Hero of the entire exercise, then yeah, I'm probably going to be pretty vocal about all'a that, if that's what comes to pass. And I get why people are nervous. Especially after that ridiculous She-Ra reboot. Nobody can EVER be accused of "grasping at straws" or making mountains out of molehills after Netflix decided to revamp a beloved kids' character for a five-season "Everybody's Gay Now, Ain't It Awesome?!" parade that had abso-f*cking-lutely nothing to do with the original She-Ra past the character names. That sh*t was insidious. And frankly, whenever hardline conservatives need a Bogeyman to point to when they argue about TV shows "indoctrinating" their kids or "brainwashing" their kids into being gay, that show is going to make a very convenient target going forward. "Oops."

Also, it's pretty telling that THAT show got a five-season order from Netflix, despite the fact that nobody even really watched it and the toys didn't sell at all, and meanwhile THIS show gets ten f*cking episodes and that's it, even though MOTU is one of Mattel's Top Five-selling brands right now. I mean yeah, if it gets good ink they CAN do more, but as of now they're not committed to that, and instead are hoping their other hard reboot takes off.

Just kind of shows you what kind of priorities Netflix has. Anyone accusing them of "pushing agendas" or being nervous that that's what they might be doing isn't some conspiracy nut reading too much into things; they're just a person who pays attention.

But yeah, still too soon to know one way or the other. Just saying, I empathize with those concerned while remaining cautiously optimistic. A lot can go Right, but as we've seen, a lot can go Wrong. "There's many a slip twixt a cup and a lip", after all.

[ZariusTwo]

Also, it's pretty telling that THAT show got a five-season order from Netflix, despite the fact that nobody even really watched it and the toys didn't sell at all, and meanwhile THIS show gets ten f*cking episodes and that's it, even though MOTU is one of Mattel's Top Five-selling brands right now

Ten episodes of that, plus 26 or so episode of the second reboot. That's two shows, which shows a greater commitment to the MOTU brand and He-Man content.

And yeah, the 'five seasons thing' ain't much to brag about on their end, it's really just three seasons worth split into volumes.

Just kind of shows you what kind of priorities Netflix has. Anyone accusing them of "pushing agendas" or being nervous that that's what they might be doing isn't some conspiracy nut reading too much into things; they're just a person who pays attention..

I do believe those who accuse others of this behaviour are themselves fully in the know, but are part of the agenda/problem as they agree politically with it.

As you say, the comments on He-Man.org were all deleted save one, which was a white guilt shill basically peddling the idea us whites have had more than enough representation and it's time for everyone else to catch up. Quite telling that was left up, complete with some twat speaking for a dead man in suggesting that Lou Schemer would 'approve'.

[Leo656]

You're right, but some of the Netflix She-Ra apologists do love to trumpet that it ran for "five seasons". As well as all those GLAAD awards they won, as if to get those they had to do anything more than just put gay characters in a kids show. "Show Up, Get Cookie." BUT, to them it's a noteworthy "accomplishment". I mean, they bring both of those things up immediately whenever a person dares to say they think that show wasn't Stunning and Brave. "Five Seasons! It won awards!" Yeah, sure... but consider the source, consider the motive.

As to that one post... eh, Lou Scheimer probably WOULD have agreed with it, honestly, but using a dead guy to support one's own opinion is pretty tactless and uncouth.

[NinjaPug]

She-Ra got a blanket 52 episode order from the get go. Full series orders seem to be the norm for the Dreamworks Animation shows on Netflix so they can crank out seasons quicker with shorter time between new episodes - Voltron was the same. Later season renewals had nothing to do with viewership statistics like they are with most shows. Meaningless thing for their fans to point to as an accomplishment.

[Vegita-San]

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As you say, the comments on He-Man.org were all deleted save one, which was a white guilt shill basically peddling the idea us whites have had more than enough representation and it's time for everyone else to catch up. Quite telling that was left up, complete with some twat speaking for a dead man in suggesting that Lou Schemer would 'approve'.

Wow.

I knew he-man.org was going woke pretty fast, but that is pretty damn sad. glad I havn't been back since december. it was time to leave. no wonder all the old members have all but left.

[ZariusTwo]

Wow.

I knew he-man.org was going woke pretty fast, but that is pretty damn sad. glad I havn't been back since december. it was time to leave. no wonder all the old members have all but left.

That place looked like it had a budget eighteen years ago. Shocking to see it in the state it's in now.

[Coola Yagami]

Here INB4 later on we discover that the series will end with Teela and Evil Lyn sharing a passionate kiss and the fact that if that scene was not allowed to occur, Kevin Smith would have torn the whole thing down and not do the show to begin with.

[Zulithe]

The figures for the show look pretty good, I will be getting some. I'm not sure about the show itself... while I like Castlevania, I don't have a lot of faith in Smith's writing. We shall see.

[IMJ]

This show will appeal to the fans who watched the original series, and have grown up and have kids of there own.

By that logic then it should quickly be appealing to me. I was there. I first made associations about about money because of He-Man - a He-Man toy cost 5 bucks.

I like the art style here as they are modernizing the 80s designs.

Its too bad there's a small vocal minority that think this show is gonna be woke.

Why is it "too bad" to think that? That's what it looks like.

-shrugs-

If it isn't, then great, but let's face it - the conjecture is a minimized role of the main character in place of "abuse stories", a butch Evil-Lyn and a Teela given a transgender art direction. Like it or not, those are all "woke" things.

I did see that Teela's new "Ruby Rose" haircut caused something of a civil war on the He-Man forums today. :lol: Between that, the resting bitch face and the steroid arms, lotta people are like "...Well she sure LOOKS gay." :lol.

I mean the art style looks great - it looks like Ninja Scroll caliber of art. But the art direction? Again you can't help but feel that it's a politicized, liberal direction. Kevin Smith is talking about a He-Man show with deeper conversations about this, that and abuse. And Teela doesn't look "gay". You'll piss off gay people by saying that. Celebrate it for what it is and recognize the people for who they are - Teela looks trans.

We will see. I'll check it out somehow but I don't want to give woke $#!( Netflix "hits" there until I know it's passable. By the time you power watch five episodes you gave them the ratings data already, and they don't need my ratings input when they will, apparently, have an entire "woke" or otherwise non-typical audience apparently waiting for this show, right? I mean, it's not that I wouldn't check it out or support it, but they don't want ME. I HAD my time, and my "regular white guy" $#!(, so they don't need me on board. No biggie.

[FrederikWolferson]

Not optimistic about this one.

[TigerClaw]

By that logic then it should quickly be appealing to me. I was there. I first made associations about about money because of He-Man - a He-Man toy cost 5 bucks.



Why is it "too bad" to think that? That's what it looks like.

-shrugs-

If it isn't, then great, but let's face it - the conjecture is a minimized role of the main character in place of "abuse stories", a butch Evil-Lyn and a Teela given a transgender art direction. Like it or not, those are all "woke" things.



I mean the art style looks great - it looks like Ninja Scroll caliber of art. But the art direction? Again you can't help but feel that it's a politicized, liberal direction. Kevin Smith is talking about a He-Man show with deeper conversations about this, that and abuse. And Teela doesn't look "gay". You'll piss off gay people by saying that. Celebrate it for what it is and recognize the people for who they are - Teela looks trans.

We will see. I'll check it out somehow but I don't want to give woke $#!( Netflix "hits" there until I know it's passable. By the time you power watch five episodes you gave them the ratings data already, and they don't need my ratings input when they will, apparently, have an entire "woke" or otherwise non-typical audience apparently waiting for this show, right? I mean, it's not that I wouldn't check it out or support it, but they don't want ME. I HAD my time, and my "regular white guy" $#!(, so they don't need me on board. No biggie.
I'm just sick of certain groups of people, And its mostly Youtubers that are always complaining when something is woke. The truth is a lot of that stuff has always been woke since the beginning, and now they are noticing it and crying foul like its a bad thing. They always try to bring politics into it, and nobody really cares what they think.

[Vegita-San]

Not optimistic about this one.

I WANT to be...but hollywood has shown recently that it just doesn't care about honoring past IP's anymore. it's all about woke nonsense.

[Zulithe]

People are claiming that He-Man dies in the opener and the entire show is about moving on without him. :cry:

Sorry if you consider that a spoiler, but if that's what happens then **** this show.

But I don't know, there's a group of 'fans' out there who love to make up these rage-bait lies so we'll see.

[TigerClaw]

This show is called Masters of the Universe: Revelation. It doesn't have He-Man on the title, Its a big universe, He-Man is a big part of it, But so are the other characters.

[TigerClaw]

Here's the official synopsis of the series.

The war for Eternia culminates in MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE: REVELATION, an innovative and action-packed animated series that picks up where the iconic characters left off decades ago. After a cataclysmic battle between He-Man and Skeletor, Eternia is fractured and the Guardians of Grayskull are scattered. And after decades of secrets tore them apart, it’s up to Teela to reunite the broken band of heroes, and solve the mystery of the missing Sword of Power in a race against time to restore Eternia and prevent the end of the universe.

[IMJ]

Well, ultimately this is only going to unfold one of a few ways no matter what.

Either Season 1 will be an unmitigated success because you've got MOTU fans who have waited for new content forever. They will give Netflix the ratings on the show either way because they are going to power watch the "unknown" content no matter what. If the show lives up to their expectations in a good way, they'll be there for the naturally soon-to-be-announced Season 2.

If not, we will have a TLJ-TROS event where "fool me once..." and season 2 will show up to little viewership.

Or if the show is littered with "remove and shame the white dude for butch white broads and woke content" and people wait to find this out before giving Netflix the hits, then it might die on the vine.

Or lastly, Netflix and whatever production company have built a pyre on this and it can't fail and they ride the diminishing returns out between 3 and 5 seasons to the best of their ability, give it some internally "okay'd" award and pretend it's a victory.

No matter what happens, maybe they will rename Teela "Man Arms" and she can order "Man-At-Arms" into service for her with a commanding tonality or something. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

I'm just sick of certain groups of people, And its mostly Youtubers that are always complaining when something is woke. The truth is a lot of that stuff has always been woke since the beginning, and now they are noticing it and crying foul like its a bad thing. They always try to bring politics into it, and nobody really cares what they think.

That's stupid. People complain about the wokeness because the wokeness keeps coming.

That's like saying people are still complaining about cops killing people and yet every day there's a new report about cops killing people (this is just an example off the top of my head).

[Leo656]

Wow.

I knew he-man.org was going woke pretty fast, but that is pretty damn sad. glad I havn't been back since december. it was time to leave. no wonder all the old members have all but left.

It's pretty funny you'd say that, because amidst the posts that got deleted were several people swearing that the .org "has become an alt-right echo chamber of bigotry in recent months", pretty much the opposite of what you're saying. :lol:

I guess no matter which side anyone is on, at some point they feel like "the persecuted minority".

I mean, from where I stand the place definitely appears more left-leaning than right-leaning, but the people there swear otherwise. I'm just calling it like I see it, though.

This show is called Masters of the Universe: Revelation. It doesn't have He-Man on the title, Its a big universe, He-Man is a big part of it, But so are the other characters.

No, yeah, it's not like He-Man is the MAIN CHARACTER or anything that the entire storyline has always revolved around. Sure, Clamp Champ and Andra are every f*cking bit as important as he is, and people totally care about them as much if not more than they care about He-Man. People totally, totally want a MOTU series with little-to-no He-Man in it. That's what they've been demanding for the last three decades. :roll:

D'you stop and think about how this stuff sounds in your head before you post it, or do you just spout unfiltered nonsense without a care?

Well, ultimately this is only going to unfold one of a few ways no matter what.

Either Season 1 will be an unmitigated success because you've got MOTU fans who have waited for new content forever. They will give Netflix the ratings on the show either way because they are going to power watch the "unknown" content no matter what. If the show lives up to their expectations in a good way, they'll be there for the naturally soon-to-be-announced Season 2.

If not, we will have a TLJ-TROS event where "fool me once..." and season 2 will show up to little viewership.

Or if the show is littered with "remove and shame the white dude for butch white broads and woke content" and people wait to find this out before giving Netflix the hits, then it might die on the vine.

Or lastly, Netflix and whatever production company have built a pyre on this and it can't fail and they ride the diminishing returns out between 3 and 5 seasons to the best of their ability, give it some internally "okay'd" award and pretend it's a victory.


People are wondering/speculating about this, but I'm pretty sure that this is a 10-episode "one-and-done" thing. For one thing, everything about it seems like it's designed to "close the book" on the 80s canon and wrap it up in a bow. Beyond that, the voice cast is VERY expensive when taken together, and to get everybody back they'd likely have to sit down and renegotiate, manage schedules, etc., and I don't think they're going to bother doing that.

Netflix is going to be pushing their other, hard-reboot version of MOTU in pursuit of the fabled "new audience" to replace the aging, pre-existing one (isn't gonna WORK, but that's their mission statement). They're not going to have two totally conflicting MOTU shows running concurrently on Netflix at the exact same time. "Revelation" is to let fans of the 80s aesthetic "wave goodbye" to "their version" and get some sense of closure before the new one comes out. I don't see "Revelation" getting renewed past the end of its predetermined 10-episode storyline.

They can, obviously, I just don't see them doing so for multiple reasons.

I'd probably prefer that over the upcoming reboot version, as THAT one looks and sounds quite dreadful, but as usual they didn't ask me.

[TigerClaw]

No, yeah, it's not like He-Man is the MAIN CHARACTER or anything that the entire storyline has always revolved around. Sure, Clamp Champ and Andra are every f*cking bit as important as he is, and people totally care about them as much if not more than they care about He-Man. People totally, totally want a MOTU series with little-to-no He-Man in it. That's what they've been demanding for the last three decades. :roll:

D'you stop and think about how this stuff sounds in your head before you post it, or do you just spout unfiltered nonsense without a care?
Nope but you seem triggered by it for some reason.

This show is being done in 2 parts with 5 episodes each, Teela will probably be all of part 1, But who knows which character they'll focus on in part 2 of this series. He-Man could probably show up in part 2 when ever they unravel the mystery of whatever happened after the first episode.

[Leo656]

I'm confused by your answer. "Nope" you don't think before you post, or "Nope" you don't care if the stuff you say is provably ridiculous?

It's "triggering" in the same way it's "triggering" when I hear people try and defend the Grateful Dead as somehow being "good music". In the sense that such terrible opinions should be physically painful for the person espousing them. It enrages me that people get away with saying such ridiculous things without being struck by lightning. It proves that there's no God, and no Justice. And that makes me incredibly sad.

[Coola Yagami]

Nope but you seem triggered by it for some reason.

This show is being done in 2 parts with 5 episodes each, Teela will probably be all of part 1, But who knows which character they'll focus on in part 2 of this series. He-Man could probably show up in part 2 when ever they unravel the mystery of whatever happened after the first episode.

It's amazing how on the same forum one of the major complaints of the IDW series is 'the Turtles are barely in it' or 'the Turtles feel like guest stars in their own book' is also excited about a new He-Man series with possibly little to no He-Man in it.

[Leo656]

Some people are just contrary for the sake of it, brother.

[FrederikWolferson]

I WANT to be...but hollywood has shown recently that it just doesn't care about honoring past IP's anymore. it's all about woke nonsense.
Even if they stay away from current year politics,Netflix doesn't have a great track record with revivals. Remember when we were all hyped for Arrested Development coming back?

[FrederikWolferson]

I'm just sick of certain groups of people, And its mostly Youtubers that are always complaining when something is woke. The truth is a lot of that stuff has always been woke since the beginning, and now they are noticing it and crying foul like its a bad thing. They always try to bring politics into it, and nobody really cares what they think.
The "it was always woke" argument... Even if that was true,we went from "lets all get along" and "save the environment" to full on leftist Turner Diaries in recent years.

[ZariusTwo]

The truth is a lot of that stuff has always been woke since the beginning

Yes, and even then it had varying degrees of success. Sure, you had your Captain Planets, you had your Widgets etc, but think about it long and hard, they've never been rebooted have they?

Captain Planet you'd think would be a sure-fire contender, but aside from a fun crossover with OK-KO, it's largely confined to memorable Robot Chicken sketches. The show would be received far worse if it came back now, because most environmental protestors are viewed as eco-terrorists who stir s*it up for bigwig business.

Also, diverse shows back then weren't so fixated on guilting white people or men over their cons, there was a sense of equality, a sense of 'yes, you need to be heard, you need to step up, some of us are jerks, but some of us can help you be the best you can be", there were instances of men and women, of both colours, sharing power, being equals, not just one gender/race being superior to another.

now they are noticing it and crying foul like its a bad thing. They always try to bring politics into it

It's bad because the people behind the shows and movies bring politics into it, you have to have the naivety of a f*cking child not to see it. And I've seen muppets on He-Man.org who are doing exactly that. These are people who unfortunately act like the PSAs at the end of the 80s MOTU series are as much a part of the f*cking lore to take 'seriously' as anything in the actual episode. They're not well people.

nobody really cares what they think.

If that were true, this s*it would actually be making money. It doesn't.

Rise of Skywalker came out the way it did because Disney listened to the fans. It wasn't a very good movie, but the backlash to Last Jedi was heard

Captain Marvel is getting a sequel, but they've walked back on making it a 100% Brie Larson veichle and made it an all-star team up between all three MCU Captain Marvels. This is because of the very real backlash there was towards Larson's solo movie.

They DO care what they say. And it shows.

'Woke' shows and movies have crippled the industry on an unprecedented scale...because the truth is nobody cares about the politics and ambitions of the left and the 'yoof' that they indoctrinate.

Human beings are hardwired to swing more in favour of conservatism as they get older, and aren't really all that concerned with the politics of the left because we know how short-term all that benefits people. It doesn't make this world work.

"Revelation" is to let fans of the 80s aesthetic "wave goodbye" to "their version"

New Adventures of He-Man was perfectly adequate closure for me, and it gave me a whole different status quo to enjoy to boot:D

[Leo656]

I'm not really convinced we need Captain Planet to come back... but Linka sure can. :lol: The list of Kath Soucie-voiced characters I crushed on as a kid is like, SUPER long. :trazz: She's not all that great-looking in real life (although she isn't BAD looking, by any means), but when she tried she could make reading the Yellow Pages sound like phone sex, God bless her.
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New Adventures of He-Man... ehhhhh, I don't count that as "canon". :lol: Especially with all the ways it contradicted the original series.

I remember one time on that show when He-Man encountered a dragon and was sh*tting his pants over it like he'd never seen one before. "It's like something out of a fairy tale!" or some sh*t, and I'm like "DUDE you count dragons as some of your personal friends and now you're acting like the very idea of dragons existing is baffling to you." :lol: These two shows did not communicate.

I mean, it was okay as its own thing. I just hesitate to call it "He-Man". I always felt like the entire point of MOTU and what made it great was how it blended Star Wars and Conan/Lord of the Rings type of stuff so seamlessly. Lose either of those elements and it's now something else entirely. "New Adventures" was JUST a Star Wars ripoff and I think that's ultimately why it failed. They specifically left existing fans out of the loop (Jack Olesker has confirmed this multiple times) to try and sell a "new audience" on a cartoon and toy line, while simultaneously trying to reinvent Star Wars since THAT brand was also "dead" and not thought to ever be coming back at the time. But they messed up in their endeavor, because 1. Star Wars fans generally didn't care about He-Man and weren't interested in a "New Star Wars"-type of thing, they just wanted more Star Wars, and 2. MOTU fans rejected it outright because it was so different from the thing they loved so as to be completely unrecognizable.

And yes, "being unrecognizable" was entirely the point, but with the benefit of hindsight we know what a big mistake that was, given how badly the toys and show generally did. Although I think both of those things did do better overseas than in America, but I'd have to check into that.

That was, I think, the very first big reboot of any licensed property where they specifically said "We completely don't care if Existing Fans like this thing; we're going to create an entirely NEW audience out of thin air and just replace the older fans who already like this thing." And it didn't work... because it never has. And yet they KEEP trying this, with TMNT and damn near everything else.

MLP is the one very extreme outlier, in which they actually DID create a brand new audience out of thin air by making a reboot that had less than nothing to do with the original. But I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that MLP was typically garbage and FiM was the very first time it was ever treated with anything resembling care and turned out a product of any quality whatsoever. I mean when you go from Zero to ANYthing, it's a huge gain. Most other properties, on the other hand, take something already great and popular and ruin it. So it kind of isn't the same.

So anyway, yeah, New Adventures... it's not as bad as I thought it was when I was 8, but that's about all I got. :trazz:

[ZariusTwo]

Although I think both of those things did do better overseas than in America, but I'd have to check into that.

I had a lot of fond memories watching it on ITV in the UK. I think they showed most of it over two Christmas holidays. Certainly remember the ending.

I think if it had gotten it's second season, the fandom would have been further split over it...like I heard Man-At-Arms would have been a dictator or something...?

[Leo656]

You'd have to hit up Jack over at the .Org, he's probably already addressed that at some point but I'd never heard it before.

To his credit, even though I've razzed him about the show (as well as many others have) he's altogether pretty good-natured about it. Much different from the TMNT "creative staff" usually are, with their "You people hate everything! I'm never coming back! I'mma go on Twitter and tell everyone how awful you people are!" crybaby stuff. He can take a rib; I admire that. Although he is still a *little* bit defensive, but I can understand that. He doubtlessly worked very hard on the thing.

I do still vividly remember the whole "New Adventures" push. The commercials advertising the new Power Sword and Havoc Staff toys, especially with the kid fighting Skeletor in his bedroom. Those commercials were epic, and probably the "best" and most memorable things about the entire run. I remember the cartoon would come on the local Philadelphia syndicated affiliate, Philly 57 (channel 22 up here in NJ if you had Storer Cable, which in turn became Comcast later on). Pretty sure it was around 4pm, might've been 3:30 though. In fact, it probably was 3:30, as I remember missing episodes a lot if I decided to hang out with people after school. They'd have it on as part of a block along with the Super Mario Bros. Super Show, and that "New Adventures of Speed Racer" reboot cartoon that nobody liked. Between those two cartoons I think I'm permanently poisoned against giving anything with "New Adventures" in the title a fair shake. :trazz:

I gave it a shot, but neither the toys or cartoon did anything for me. I HATED the toys; they were so puny compared to the original MOTU figures and since they weren't compatible scale-wise I just never bothered with them. To this day I still don't own a single New Adventures toy. I did try watching the show, but it was just so different I couldn't really get into it. At the time, USA Network was still showing reruns of the Filmation cartoon for an hour every weeknight around 7pm for a while, so I was always MUCH more excited to watch that even though I'd seen every episode a hundred times already.

I only ended up watching the entire "New Adventures" run when the DVDs came out about 15 years ago. And I gotta say, as its own thing and if you pretend it has nothing to do with He-Man or MOTU whatsoever, it's not a bad little Star Wars ripoff. I might've liked it as a kid, if it didn't pretend to be He-Man. But all that did was breed resentment. The only two characters who were really carried over, He-Man and Skeletor, are SO different from their previous incarnations that they really can't be recognized. Like Skeletor's big googly eyes and the fact that he's suddenly doing a Jack Nicholson Joker impersonation. :lol: And we're supposed to pretend that it's literally the same character we watched in 130 episodes of the Filmation cartoon, and I just can't do it. It's like saying that TAS Batman is the same guy who was in Super-Friends; the two can't be reconciled, best not to even pretend.

But yeah, in a vacuum? Not a bad show on its own merits. As a He-Man thing, though... ehhhhhhhhhhh.

[ZariusTwo]

You'd have to hit up Jack over at the .Org, he's probably already addressed that at some point but I'd never heard it before

I wonder if I should remind Jack I'm from Rangerboard...or maybe he'd rather forget the stunt he pulled over there...we haven't forgotten. :P

That was probably my finest hour in the fandom.

[Leo656]

I have no idea what you're referring to and I'm not sure I even WANT to know. :lol:

You and I have never discussed Power Rangers. We probably shouldn't. MY OPINIONS MAY SHOCK YOU! :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

I have no idea what you're referring to and I'm not sure I even WANT to know. :lol:

Oh it's been well over fourteen years since it happened, but it makes for great gossip even to this day. Had it not happened I would never have discovered that the executive producer of Power Rangers from 2005-2008 was a troll on the forum:lol:

I've read some of your 'hot takes' on Power Rangers here a couple of times, enough to know it ain't your bag at all. All's good.

[Leo656]

My favorite Power Rangers show of all time is "Voltron: Defender of the Universe". :trazz::trazz::trazz:

[ZariusTwo]

My favorite Power Rangers show of all time is "Voltron: Defender of the Universe". :trazz::trazz::trazz:

Legit first thought watching MMPR was "wtf is this Voltron rip-off?":D

[Leo656]

Me too, and I never got over it because I hold a grudge longer than most people hold wives. :lol:

I was super pissed, too, because people at school the same age as me were legit baffled when I told them "Dude, it's just Voltron, but goofy." They're like "What the f*ck is 'Voltron'?"

And then I had to kill them all.

mumblegrumble LOVE Voltron razzafrazzinsnorflaxgrumble... :tgrumble:

[Allio]

It isn’t that surprising. Sentai does take a lot of inspirations from when designing their seasons. Daizyujin/Golion is one, but a clear one was Jetman and Gatchaman(G-Force/Battle of the Planets)

[drgon78]

Yeah, always preferred Voltron over Power Rangers. I had the same problem with Power Rangers being a goofy live action version of Voltron and nobody knew what I was talking about.

[Allio]

Golion was okay. There is just better Super Robo’s out there. No wonder it wasn’t popular in Japan.

[ZariusTwo]

Here are the toys for the second Netflix series, the reboot

https://zaredit.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/cgi3.jpg?w=720

https://zaredit.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/cgi2.jpg?w=720

[IMJ]

Not a fan of these designs, but I respect the generational update and I'd support these over that woke Netflix $#!( any day.

[ZariusTwo]

Not a fan of these designs, but I respect the generational update and I'd support these over that woke Netflix $#!( any day.

This show will also be on Netflix

[sdp]

Netflix struggle with having kids cartoons last more than 2 seasons, I've watched tons of them and they always get cancelled after 2 seasons with some exceptions like voltron/she-ra but those had their entire run ordered from the beginning I believe. Hell they have never had a successful kids cartoon that could keep a toyline on the shelves, last one that tried was voltron and it failed miserably.

Still looks too goofy to me, I don't think it'll do well, it's not a franchise that adapts easily, too 80s.

[IMJ]

This show will also be on Netflix

Then I'll click on this one instead of the other... :D

[Leo656]

Some of the rumors about the reboot make it sound even more "woke" than Revelations might be, so there's a good chance you'll be disappointed either way.

Kinda too soon to tell with either show, honestly. All we have are rumors, hearsay, and a picture of Teela after getting into the horse testosterone, and very little else.

But I'm hearing rumors of the reboot series having race-flipping, He-Man being less of a "main character" and more just "one of the guys", and a whole lot of "everyone is just as special as everyone else" type stuff. Plus they live in Castle Grayskull and aren't just defending it, allegedly. Just a whole lot of stuff that, if true, I already know I'm not gonna appreciate.

I don't like "reinvent the wheel" reboots. The 200X series did everything right and that's pretty much all any MOTU reboot needs to do. Mattel did what they've always done for the last 25 years and screwed up the toy line, and thus the show ended prematurely, but only complete Filmation apologists have any problem with that show whatsoever. And I love Filmation as much as the next guy, but I fully recognize that show is a ton of the reason why people don't understand why the franchise is cool. It's great for what it is but it's very much a product of its time, the "FW version" or "Adam West version" of a franchise that is honestly much cooler than it's allowed to be when locked into that specific template. The 200X series was like Batman: TAS compared to Filmation MOTU being like Super-Friends; a natural evolution that did everything the original did right but also didn't talk to the audience like they were four years old.

That's all you gotta do. Just take the material seriously. The one thing that gives me hope about Revelation is that Kevin Smith said the producers told him to "treat it like Shakespeare, don't wink at the audience, don't make fun of the franchise." That's the right approach.

But then he ALSO defended the Netflix She-Ra reboot and said it was brilliant. :roll: So who f*cking knows with that guy.

I don't know. I think I'm gonna end up having some problems with both Netflix shows, but I don't think anything about the reboot is gonna appeal to me at all while I do think Revelation will be closer to what MOTU "should" be, even if it falls short in a few places. I honestly think the reboot is gonna be a disaster. But it's honestly too soon to tell. It's just what my gut says.

[IMJ]

Some of the rumors about the reboot make it sound even more "woke" than Revelations might be, so there's a good chance you'll be disappointed either way.

Kinda too soon to tell with either show, honestly. All we have are rumors, hearsay, and a picture of Teela after getting into the horse testosterone, and very little else.

But I'm hearing rumors of the reboot series having race-flipping, He-Man being less of a "main character" and more just "one of the guys", and a whole lot of "everyone is just as special as everyone else" type stuff. Plus they live in Castle Grayskull and aren't just defending it, allegedly. Just a whole lot of stuff that, if true, I already know I'm not gonna appreciate.

I don't like "reinvent the wheel" reboots. The 200X series did everything right and that's pretty much all any MOTU reboot needs to do. Mattel did what they've always done for the last 25 years and screwed up the toy line, and thus the show ended prematurely, but only complete Filmation apologists have any problem with that show whatsoever. And I love Filmation as much as the next guy, but I fully recognize that show is a ton of the reason why people don't understand why the franchise is cool. It's great for what it is but it's very much a product of its time, the "FW version" or "Adam West version" of a franchise that is honestly much cooler than it's allowed to be when locked into that specific template. The 200X series was like Batman: TAS compared to Filmation MOTU being like Super-Friends; a natural evolution that did everything the original did right but also didn't talk to the audience like they were four years old.

That's all you gotta do. Just take the material seriously. The one thing that gives me hope about Revelation is that Kevin Smith said the producers told him to "treat it like Shakespeare, don't wink at the audience, don't make fun of the franchise." That's the right approach.

But then he ALSO defended the Netflix She-Ra reboot and said it was brilliant. :roll: So who f*cking knows with that guy.

I don't know. I think I'm gonna end up having some problems with both Netflix shows, but I don't think anything about the reboot is gonna appeal to me at all while I do think Revelation will be closer to what MOTU "should" be, even if it falls short in a few places. I honestly think the reboot is gonna be a disaster. But it's honestly too soon to tell. It's just what my gut says.

Streaming is unforgiving because once you've clicked on a show and get drawn into a "power watch", then the show has already logged financial rewards.

I'm for supporting good content, but not for forced agenda that insults white males in order to boost someone else. I didn't behave that way to other people in my day-to-day life and I'm not tolerating it on behalf of the angry 10% or whatever who can't get their own $#!( together beyond complaining about the functions of society. So my solution? Don't give Netflix the hits upfront, find another way to watch the show. If the show is rewarding, then go back and watch it through Netflix, maybe in the background while you work out or something. But don't do it up front. That's why the Last Jedi made money and these @$$holes spent years on their egos swearing up and down it was a success and that anyone who didn't like it was some kind of awful person. FU(% Hollywood's culture. Then they paid for it with the Rise of Skywalker. So now we, as consumers learn from that.

Now I'm sure that some mouth-breather here will come crawling out of the wood work here with the reply-of-easiest-retort and say "piracy is WRONG!" But guess what? Entrapment and manipulation are worse and that's what "Hollywood" and the production people are doing to fans in this situation - "we made a grass roots, cult-classic show, but we filled it with our BS but by the time you find out, you will have already given us our return for it".

If either show turns out to be worth supporting, I will support it - even if Teela and Evil-Lynn look like .5%'ers, I'm down for supporting it. But I don't want the I don't want the agenda, and I don't want the "White-Guy-Bad-And-Anachronistic" messaging, and quite frankly I don't want to have to explain .5%'er-Butch-Ass men-woman to kids at the time of Hollywood's choosing rather than when it's relevant and appropriate to do so. We don't need Kevin f'n Smith having "deeper conversations" with generation Z about any of this, and only to the most shallow, stunted mouth-breathers would take up that this makes me a "hater" or a "bigot". Replies like that only mean that you don't have ability to comprehend what I'm actually saying here.

[Leo656]

I don't even have Netflix, so I'm gonna be seeing Revelation way later than most everyone else, anyways. I'm over here hoping it gets a DVD release sooner rather than later. I mean, it should, right? The Castlevania show got DVDs and this one's only gonna be 10 episodes so it would be easy to do the whole thing in one shot.

[newfan]

Also feeling that I'm going to like Revelations more, less bothered about the other one but will still take a look for curiosity. Only thing with Revelations being a continuation of the show (that right?) it might be a little less forgiving to fans if they go down a road people don't like than a show that is meant to be a new thing.

[IMJ]

I don't even have Netflix, so I'm gonna be seeing Revelation way later than most everyone else, anyways. I'm over here hoping it gets a DVD release sooner rather than later. I mean, it should, right? The Castlevania show got DVDs and this one's only gonna be 10 episodes so it would be easy to do the whole thing in one shot.

I was about to say "well ya I'm sure it will be on disc" but we still don't have a TMNT '12 series on Blu Ray, so who knows?

[Leo656]

Smith SAYS it's a continuation of the Filmation cartoon that "starts where that show left off and then goes in a completely different direction," but I think several shakers of salt should be taken with that claim.

For one thing, he specifically mentioned "the cartoon that ran from 1983 to 1985", with no mention of She-Ra. And She-Ra's rights are a completely separate license (which is why the She-Ra reboot took place in a universe with no He-Man), so even though the two original shows were in the same canon universe and He-Man's story continued through She-Ra's show, I doubt that ANY of that is going to be canon to "Revelation".

It will either be "canon by omission" (basically, "That stuff happened but we're not allowed to talk about it") or else they'll play it like "Secret of the Sword" and the events of the She-Ra cartoon never happened. We'll have to wait and see.

But yeah, I don't think it's going to be a seamless "sequel series" like Smith implied, I think that's just marketing spin.

I was about to say "well ya I'm sure it will be on disc" but we still don't have a TMNT '12 series on Blu Ray, so who knows?

More Netflix stuff seems to hit disc than Nickelodeon stuff. Nick and Disney are the f*cking sh*ts about not releasing stuff on disc that would absolutely sell. They make absolutely baffling decisions about what gets released and what doesn't.

[IMJ]

Smith SAYS it's a continuation of the Filmation cartoon that "starts where that show left off and then goes in a completely different direction,

Yeah but that's probably absolutely true. I mean... it's very easy to rationalize both that and the woke, force-fed $#!(. Both things can be true in tandem.

[ZariusTwo]

Everyone knows the real continuation of Filmation was The Curse Of The Three Terrors...

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[IMJ]

Everyone knows the real continuation of Filmation was The Curse Of The Three Terrors...

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That's pretty cool....
I probably couldn't sit through it just like I couldn't the originals sometime back, but for fans? That's cool.....

[TigerClaw]

He-Man was one of those cartoons I remember watching as a kid in the 80s, But I don't have a fondness for it like most people who grew up watching has.

It was one of those shows I remember watching when it was on TV, I didn't know what was going on it, But the visuals caught my attention enough that I watched that show when it was on TV

Growing up as a kid with a learning disability and watching these shows on TV, You don't really have a full grasp as to what is really happening on these shows, You needed to be someone who who have some understanding and some level of intelligence to fully understand these shows.

Shows like this were enough to distract me enough to watch them, Even though I don't really fully understand the stories they are telling, My young brain wasn't able to process what was happening at the time, Its only when you have gotten old enough, That you finally start to understand all the lore from it.

Its like you turn on the TV and see something on, and your thinking, Oh this looks cool, Gonna watch it, And then you kept on seeing it until they stopped airing them on TV.

[Leo656]

Me getting into He-Man was almost certainly my Dad's decision. Why, I have no idea. But I'm as old as the franchise and there's pictures of me from Christmas when I was like 1 or 2 getting a bunch of He-Man stuff, wearing He-Man pajamas, stuff like that, and I was in no way capable of making my own decisions about what toys I got or what I watched on TV by that point. So clearly, it was something he "presented" to me and it just stuck. STAYING into it was definitely my own choice but I had to have been exposed to it somehow, as I was much too young to have said "This is what I want to get into." At least at first.

He bought me tons of the toys without me having to ask, and he always wanted to watch the cartoon. Took me to see the movie in '87 and he might have liked it more than I did.

I still don't really understand any of that, because he generally wasn't big on anything with a "fantasy" bent; anything that wasn't "real", he had a hard time getting into. Stuff like G.I. Joe was more his thing, and that's what he was really big into as a kid. But for some reason I don't get and he never bothered to explain, He-Man just really clicked with him. He thought the toys and the cartoons were both just about the coolest thing ever. When I was really little we had a lot of fun messing with the figures, Castle Grayskull and Snake Mountain; he'd always do the "spooky voice" into the Snake Mountain microphone and all that. Fun times.

Just one of those things, I guess. We had very little in common, otherwise, so at least there was that.

[Coola Yagami]

Honestly for me it was the characters. I mean big muscular dude fighting off a skull face dude with a power staff that creates monsters and ****? Then you get stuff like Roboto, Buzz Off, Kobra Khan, Webster and the like. It was just awesome good times where imagination ran wild.

[IMJ]

Honestly for me it was the characters. I mean big muscular dude fighting off a skull face dude with a power staff that creates monsters and ****? Then you get stuff like Roboto, Buzz Off, Kobra Khan, Webster and the like. It was just awesome good times where imagination ran wild.

As a kid he was a hero and he fought the bad guy. That was enough.
I do remember though that he almost never got into a real sword fight with Skeletor. I hated that as a kid - that all he did was run up and grab someone and basically throw them away all the time.

And now Kevin Smith has an op to have real sword fights in a show about guys in loincloths with magic swords, but we are going to get deeper conversations about abuse..... hahahahahhahahaha

Someone should edit a meme GIF of the original He-Man running up to the new characters and just throwing them away.

[TigerClaw]

Let's not forget how Memeable He-Man was because of stuff like this.

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[Leo656]

Citing that meme is like holding up a giant sign saying "I'm A Big Dumb Idiot."

Absolutely everything is stupid if you 1. Decide that you're going to make fun of it, and 2. Go way the f*ck out of your way to do so.

I could make a dumb video about how "stupid and gay" football is, for example, by splicing a bunch of clips together of guys sticking their butts in each others' faces set to the tune of a dumb Katy Perry song, or whatever. And I could share it with the world and be all like "See? THAT'S what football is! A bunch of guys playing grab-ass! You guys are stupid for liking this thing!" And I could watch the clicks roll in and feel like I'd actually done something noteworthy.

Except I'm not an idiot, and doing dumb sh*t like that wouldn't make me "clever". I'd just be an idiot who's easily-amused by dirt-stupid sh*t that wasn't funny the first time, and even less funny the thousandth time.

F*ck outta here with that trash. I don't want you in this thread if that's how you're gonna act. I didn't start this thread but I'm claiming it now, on account of the OP's been banned for a hundred years.

[Vegita-San]

I didn't start this thread but I'm claiming it now, on account of the OP's been banned for a hundred years.

checks first post....
news to me :).

[Leo656]

I know, I literally just checked that. :lol: I got you confused with someone else who started a different He-Man thread, they toy thread. My bad.

We'll share it. :trazz:

[TigerClaw]

This new show is being made, because those who grew up with the original are grown up now, And want to see a show that's made for there age, I read that this show is dark, So it'll be interesting to see how far they will push it. You think they will go R rated with this series given how its anime, They tend to push the envelope on what they can show on Netflix.

Would this be a show that someone who grew up with the original can watch with there own kids?

[Leo656]

There are confirmed character deaths (we don't know who yet) but I doubt they'll be incredibly graphic.

Although given what I've read about that Castlevania show by the same studio, who the heck knows. Could be a bloodbath. I doubt it, though.

[ZariusTwo]

Some more information from Kevin Smith regarding Revelation

-It's definitely a 'family show', not something aimed squarely at adults, and there's no sex or anything. The show will simply have 'deeper conversations'

-It will be nothing like She-Ra and the Princesses of Power and will be truer to the essence of the MOTU brand. He has respect for what the She-Ra team did but it's not what his show's about. His manifest is more in the vein of 'pure fanservice'

-Because She-Ra is so much lesser known than He-Man, it was allowed a lot more freedom creatively to be different. This will not be the case with Revelation. They have to follow a specific mandate. Smith also admits he would not have taken the job if he were instructed to radically reinvent the brand.

-The show is heavily influenced by the DNA that is you find commonly baked into the Marvel Cinematic Universe

https://gizmodo.com/he-mans-new-animated-series-looked-to-marvel-for-inspir-1847009592


Bit weird he says Mattel essentially restricted him and his team, then says he wouldn't have done it if they'd told him to be radically reinventive. Sounds an awful lot like "if it's bad, blame Mattel, I could have made it better if they'd let me" scapegoating from him to make himself look good to his fanbase

[Leo656]

-It will be nothing like She-Ra and the Princesses of Power and will be truer to the essence of the MOTU brand.

Thank F*cking God for that much, at least. Seeing people try and defend that sh*t gets my blood pressure up almost as much as seeing people defend the ChickBusters movie.

Like I'm not shocked to see Smith say he loves that sh*t but he very openly hates his own dick, anyway.
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Definitely some hedging bets with his oh-so-specific choice of words, but eh. They have to have SOME kind if built-in protection/defense in case it under-performs. In this case, if it does, they'll say it's because they "played it too safe", that the original characters and concepts are "outdated", and that a complete reinvention is "what's necessary/what they SHOULD have done".

...At which point they'll do another reboot that race- and gender-flips everyone, and nobody'll watch that EITHER but they'll get to publicly circle-jerk each other about how "progressive" they are for such a "brave reinterpretation of a stale property" and rake in GLAAD awards as part of said circle-jerk, so nobody will care that it was a failure, it'll still be called "a success" by a very specific metric.

Because that is how these things work, now. Point of fact, that's EXACTLY what happened with the She-Ra reboot. By objective standards, it was not a "success"; but it was a "success" because it successfully pandered to a very specific audience and that audience reacted exactly as they were expected to.

People be like "The She-Ra reboot WAS a success! It won all these GLAAD Awards!" :lol: Like I am SO shocked that GLAAD gave awards to a show that teaches little girls that abusive relationships are awesome as long as it's two chicks kissing, and every single character is gay or trans. I am SO SHOCKED that such a show would win GLAAD Awards, you guys! :lol: Seriously, if movies like "Titanic" are "Oscar-bait", shows like the She-Ra reboot are "GLAAD-Awards"-bait. "Good job doing exactly what you were created to do"; that's not an "achievement" of any kind, that's fulfilling an agenda-driven mission statement. Did any straight people watch or care about the show? No, not really. Did the toys they made for it sell? HAH! Outside of the bubble it was created to pander to, it may as well not have existed, for all the impact it had. BUT, it taught kids about LGBTQWTFLMFAO+ "representation", so it was by that metric a rousing "success". Just ask them, they'll tell you. Just don't ask 'em how much money they made off it. :trazz:

So yeah, if this "Revelation" show under-performs, they'll say it's because it was "Too slavishly devoted to the source material" and we'll get more of That Sh*t instead.

[ZariusTwo]

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[IMJ]

Looks absolutely awesome visually. It really does!

[newfan]

Okay I know its early to say but I feel hype for this. Nostalgia. Also agreed with the comment above, looks good.

[Allio]

Bdsm daddy is back on the menu.

[Vicky82]

I never was a fan of He Man but this looks pretty cool.

[ZariusTwo]

If you pause the trailer when The Sorceress is powering up (0:31), you'll notice Faker is restraining her

[Leo656]

Looks pretty cool. Definitely great visuals.

Let's just hope that all of that isn't a bait-and-switch. All of that stuff could be from the first episode and the rumors of He-Man having only a minimal presence in the show could still be true.

Definitely LOOKS great, though.

[ZariusTwo]

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[ZariusTwo]

Netflix trying to ease tensions between S*it-Ra and He-Man fans

https://twitter.com/NetflixGeeked/status/1403130029647699969

[Leo656]

That reminds me: I can't stand that now thanks to that f*cking show, whenever I look for She-Ra nudes I'm inundated with fan-art pictures of "Adolescent Boy-looking She-Ra"... often with male "equipment", to boot. :roll: "THANKS", Noelle Stevenson. Seriously.

I know, I'm exactly the kind of person they were going out of their way to piss off by 1. Doing that show in the first place, and 2. Insisting that Adora look like a 12-year old boy rather than, y'know, a chick. I don't care. "Classic Coke" She-Ra was historically super-hot, and lots of people jack it to cartoons, there's no shame in it (or shouldn't be). It's not her business to either guilt/shame those people OR go out of her way to make life more difficult for them.

I don't care how many people claim to like it, that show was every bit as much a gigantic troll-job as it was a "push for inclusion and diversity". Nothing with so much spite behind it can ever claim to be pure-intentioned.

While I'm ranting about this kinda sh*t, I'd also like to give a hearty "F*ck You" to Nickelodeon, since thanks to the 2012 cartoon I can't do an April O'Neil search without feeling like I'm gonna end up on a government watch list. These people don't eliminate porn of their characters by making them underage; they just make the porn people create WAY more questionable. Great job, nitwits. Maybe DON'T do that kinda sh*t.

[ZariusTwo]

Honestly, since showrunners do write certain episodes, it would be amusing, at least as it pertains to those concerned about how much focus Adam gets here, if Smith writes the one episode that is truest to the traditional conventions of a Masters story, He-Man as the lead etc, and all his other writers are tasked with fleshing out Teela's journey.

[Zulithe]

The trailer was good, and I really hope the show itself is good. But the plot leaks are not encouraging... who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and a lot of it will have been BS. That's the hope.

[Sumac]

Looks pretty good, which unusual for a modern Western animation.
Also, I am amused how they make goofy 80s monsters look somewhat scary and cool.

[ZariusTwo]

The trailer was good, and I really hope the show itself is good. But the plot leaks are not encouraging... who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and a lot of it will have been BS. That's the hope.

If worst comes to worst, I don't mind Teela being the focus at all. I think people have been interpreting the leaks the wrong way and are judging it just on the end result and not on the hows and whys of anything that leads up to it. All they've made are assumptions.

Just because a female is the lead doesn't mean something is 'woke', nor does it mean 'woke' can't ever be done right. I grew up in the 90s, where 'wokeness' was very much in vouge then too

I'll eat a s*itload of crow feet if I'm wrong, so apologies in advance for the He-Man.org-esque naïve shilling, but the show isn't necessarily broken with the sidelining of He-Man or Teela having a journey.

[CyberCubed]

Why is netflix calling this an "anime" when it's a western produced cartoon? Sure the human designs look a little anime-ish but it's still a western show. I'm real tired of netflix calling all the animation they make "anime" even if it isn't. They did this with the Castlevania cartoon as well.

[IMJ]

If worst comes to worst, I don't mind Teela being the focus at all. I think people have been interpreting the leaks the wrong way and are judging it just on the end result and not on the hows and whys of anything that leads up to it. All they've made are assumptions.

Just because a female is the lead doesn't mean something is 'woke', nor does it mean 'woke' can't ever be done right. I grew up in the 90s, where 'wokeness' was very much in vouge then too

I'll eat a s*itload of crow feet if I'm wrong, so apologies in advance for the He-Man.org-esque naïve shilling, but the show isn't necessarily broken with the sidelining of He-Man or Teela having a journey.

I don't think the pre-show judgements are widely related to having a female lead. Like you've said here, we've had that forever and it's fine. But it's not such a leap to jump to "woke agenda" given the social-timing of this show when you are presented with an overtly masculine Teela design and a transvestite-looking Evil-Lyn. Combine that with sidelining the "blond white guy" for a female lead and you've got the recipe revealed before the dinner. What's more is that if this show is in continuity to the original, then there shouldn't be any of these "identity politics through art direction" because those two characters were always feminine with softer lines. Someone here might argue "art updates!", but only a mouth-breather who can't understand the difference between 'art style' and 'arty direction' would argue this rather than discussing it on it's own merits.

And so either way it's an awkward change to an existing continuity but when you combine it with the current Hollywoke trends, it's really seems like a signal. We live in clown world man. There are people even on these forums that would ignore the content of my post and simply see that I used the word "transvestite" and start flinging hater labels. That's how far gone we are.

So the solution is simple. If you don't care about any of this, then click on Netflix and power watch it. If you don't mind the "inclusion" but it's left you feeling that the "traditional" has been minimized or that your fandom has been appropriated or invaded with animosity towards you, then don't give Netflix the dollar generating clicks. And lastly if you are on the fence, then resist your childish addictions for your toys and cartoons until the word is out on what the show is about and decide whether or not to give the dollar-generating Netflix hits at that time.

Personally, I'm on the fence. There's nothing wrong with including all groups into society's pop culture. But I'm tired of the vitriol that comes with the push as well as the virtue signaling. But I'm mostly disgusted that these people have to take from, minimize or vilify anything traditional to do this, which tells me that these people are $#!(bags and that "hate" is alive and well but now just being hidden by a false virtue of support for any given demographic. So I'm on the fence.

[Coola Yagami]

Looks pretty cool. Definitely great visuals.

Let's just hope that all of that isn't a bait-and-switch. All of that stuff could be from the first episode and the rumors of He-Man having only a minimal presence in the show could still be true.

Definitely LOOKS great, though.

The trailer is all sorts of bait and switch. Like you can tell all of that is from episode 1 and/or 2 before the time skip and it becomes the Teela show.

Like I don't mind it too much as long as the show is called 'The Legend of Teela" or whatever, but don't call it He-Man and sideline him after episode 2, and I'm assuming the final episode maybe?

[Coola Yagami]

I'll eat a s*itload of crow feet if I'm wrong, so apologies in advance for the He-Man.org-esque naïve shilling, but the show isn't necessarily broken with the sidelining of He-Man or Teela having a journey.

Yeah, for an episode or two. Not the entire series. This reeks of 'well if you don't let me make my Teela show then I'm not making a new He-Man show at all then' situation similar to the She-Ra 'no kiss, no deal' thought behind it.


This would be like a TMNT revival cartoon but the turtles are sidelined by April and Jennika. Like you'll see enough Turtle Power for the trailers but then Krang somehow banishes the OG 4 to the dimension X after episode 1 aaaaaaand now it's the April and Jennika show. All season.

[Coola Yagami]

That reminds me: I can't stand that now thanks to that f*cking show, whenever I look for She-Ra nudes I'm inundated with fan-art pictures of "Adolescent Boy-looking She-Ra"... often with male "equipment", to boot. :roll: "THANKS", Noelle Stevenson. Seriously.

I know, I'm exactly the kind of person they were going out of their way to piss off by 1. Doing that show in the first place, and 2. Insisting that Adora look like a 12-year old boy rather than, y'know, a chick. I don't care. "Classic Coke" She-Ra was historically super-hot, and lots of people jack it to cartoons, there's no shame in it (or shouldn't be). It's not her business to either guilt/shame those people OR go out of her way to make life more difficult for them.

I don't care how many people claim to like it, that show was every bit as much a gigantic troll-job as it was a "push for inclusion and diversity". Nothing with so much spite behind it can ever claim to be pure-intentioned.

While I'm ranting about this kinda sh*t, I'd also like to give a hearty "F*ck You" to Nickelodeon, since thanks to the 2012 cartoon I can't do an April O'Neil search without feeling like I'm gonna end up on a government watch list. These people don't eliminate porn of their characters by making them underage; they just make the porn people create WAY more questionable. Great job, nitwits. Maybe DON'T do that kinda sh*t.

Tbh I don't think adult She-Ra gets too many new nudes unless it's to purposely rub it in the face of NuAdora.

I found one where Ben10 needed a new job and his agent was like 'I actually found you a new gig" and he's like "what's the blonde wig for?" The next panel is a shot of the new She-Ra.

I have noticed a resurgence of classic April lately. Now that NickApril is forgotten and Rise April's show is over, people are going back to classic April.

Or so I have been told. I personally hate that sort of animated filth.

[ZariusTwo]

but don't call it He-Man

They haven't. He-Man isn't anywhere in the title. It's Masters of the Universe: Revelation

Say what you like about what kind of show this may end up becoming, I don't doubt your concerns, but Mattel aren't falsely advertising anything here.

[newfan]

It's still supposed to be related to the old show though, I'm thinking it might just be that all characters will get more focus but the story just starts off with her maybe? (thinking of the description they gave a while back)

[Vegita-San]

I personally think this is going to be more about teel'as journey to becoming sorceeress and learning her secret.

it WAS one of the few plotlines left in the old show needing conclusion, so it makes sense.

I just hope it's good.

[Leo656]

They haven't. He-Man isn't anywhere in the title. It's Masters of the Universe: Revelation

Say what you like about what kind of show this may end up becoming, I don't doubt your concerns, but Mattel aren't falsely advertising anything here.

Yeah, that's the one bit of plausible deniability some people are clinging to. "Technically they never called this one 'He-Man'!" And that's correct, but... c'mon. He's always been the main character. Even though this is the first cartoon featuring him to NOT have "He-Man" explicitly in the title, it should be forgiven for people to assume or expect that he'd remain the primary focus. He IS the brand.

The incredible cast of characters is part of what makes MOTU so awesome, so believe me, I have no problem with the basic idea of others getting some shine. But you damn well better believe I predominantly want it to focus on He-Man. I felt the 200X cartoon did a rather good job giving both the heroes and villains of the supporting cast a lot more to do, but even then sometimes it felt like He-Man got pushed back in a few episodes to the point of just being the third-act Deus Ex Machina. Not egregiously so, but there were a couple of episodes where it was like that. If this series only gets ten episodes - and right now we have no reason to believe that it will get any more than that - and He-Man is sidelined for most of it, then yeah, I'll be very aggravated even if the rest is technically well-done.

I mean, I get it. And I've been through it before. I LOVED "Twin Peaks: The Return", I think it's absolutely brilliant and there's very, very, VERY little about it I would change if I could. But after years and years and YEARS in-between the ending of the original and the Return season, was it abso-f*cking-lutely maddening to only get two episodes of Dale Cooper at the very end of the show (and to AGAIN end it on a giant cliffhanger)? Yes it was. Even though I love every single f*cking thing with Mr. C and Dougie Jones and all that stuff, I was boiling over a few times waiting for Dale to snap out of it. When he finally did, oh man, it was incredible and perfect and all that sh*t. But still... you can't help but feel like "That's IT? Seriously? He's the main character!"

I got through it, loved the show, I'm at peace, very little I'd change. But selfishly, it's never gonna completely sit well with me for that one creative choice. And that's what I'm afraid they're gonna do with this show. I didn't spend 20 years hoping they'd somehow bring MOTU back only for He-Man to barely be in it. That's like asking for a 6-foot Birthday cake all year, finally getting it, and finding out that it's full of coconut. "Way to give me what I asked for, in the most backhanded way possible!"

But eh, we'll see. Peoples' fears are natural but there IS still a chance that they might be unfounded, and/or that even if there's less He-Man in it that the show still might be good-to-great overall. "Twin Peaks: The Revival" is always gonna be my go-to for how a thing can be absolutely nothing like what I asked for or expected or to a point even wanted but somehow still be incredible. It happens. Smith is no David Lynch, but hey, sometimes the sun even shines on a dog's ass.

One thing that's strikes me from going on the He-Man forums is how there's a lot more people than I thought who barely care about He-Man despite being huge fans of the franchise as a whole. Like I like "everyone" too but I've always gravitated more towards the main characters in this kinda stuff, and growing up I thought everyone did. It's very strange to me to see people say things like "I don't care, I love MOTU but I barely care about He-Man anyway." :lol: Diff'rent Strokes, I guess.

One thing I definitely won't complain about is if they finally have Teela ascend into becoming the Sorceress. I don't see how they WON'T do that, and that's fine with me if they do. It definitely would be nice to see that bit of canon actually play out in a cartoon, given how it's been foreshadowed and preordained every single time out but we've only "seen" it come to pass in the DC Comics and the Classics Bio cards.

[sdp]

That trailer is really well made, I think it'll definitely appeal to the original fans, unsure if new fans will be able to get into it, He-Man is just He-Man. A bit difficult to reimagine for other generations. I do like how the show seems influenced by anime which most kids who grew up with 80s cartoons seem to hate yet like this version

https://i.imgur.com/w3hUyFC.gif

I still don't see how this can be a sequel to the goofy 80s show when it's clearly going for a more serious take on the franchise.

[Leo656]

Pretty sure it's only going to be a "spiritual" sequel, at best. The whole "It's a direct continuation" thing reeks of fan-baiting.

Plus, Kevin Smith just plain lies a ton. Like how more recently he's been swearing how he's a huge fan of the property, and in turn other people are digging up old interviews here he explicitly states he never watched it or cared about it back in the day because he was already too old for it by the time it came out. "Whoops".

Between MOTU and TMNT, it seems like there's an abundance of guys named Kevin who will say absolutely f*cking anything to get fans excited about whatever their latest project is, even if it's a boldfaced f*cking lie. :trazz:

[Coola Yagami]

Pretty sure it's only going to be a "spiritual" sequel, at best. The whole "It's a direct continuation" thing reeks of fan-baiting.

Plus, Kevin Smith just plain lies a ton. Like how more recently he's been swearing how he's a huge fan of the property, and in turn other people are digging up old interviews here he explicitly states he never watched it or cared about it back in the day because he was already too old for it by the time it came out. "Whoops".

Between MOTU and TMNT, it seems like there's an abundance of guys named Kevin who will say absolutely f*cking anything to get fans excited about whatever their latest project is, even if it's a boldfaced f*cking lie. :trazz:

Except for Big Kev.

[ZariusTwo]

I've recently started to blame the adoration of the Star Wars prequels more on Kevin Smith than simply the generation that was raised on them getting older and flying the flag proudly for it.

He at the very least had the cred at the time to convince the Fandom Menace to become more accepting of George's whole vision again, due to that "audience with" segment years ago where he told a crowd he would never have done a single thing to alter that trilogy and then gave a big lecture on how they were actually awesome.

That's what I like the most about Smith, and that he'll stand up for this s*it and can sell you an old model like it's a brand new car, and tells you exactly how to drive it. He may be lying about the product, he may be lying about always being a fan, but man does he make that MOTU car run. He makes you want to buy the toy, he makes you believe Chris Wood can act :lol:

So I can't really get riled up about him...he's written some of my favourite comics, his Green Arrow is what the CW show ought to have been, his Daredevil should have been the fourth season or something, his Spidey/Black Cat was one of the last real impressions Felicia Hardy made on the franchise for years (she's sort of getting better now because of Jed McKay), when he 'gets' something, it shows, he can apply himself, and that's enough.

[CyberCubed]

Kevin Smith also lied about Bruce Timm working on a B:TAS continuation, when in reality he's working on a Batman reboot cartoon with no connection to the DCAU at all. He wrongly hyped up a lot of people to think their childhood Batman show was coming back.

[Leo656]

All "Pre-Crisis" Kevin Smith, though. :trazz:

Having a daughter broke his brain. He fell off hard and never recovered.

[ZariusTwo]

Kevin Smith also lied about Bruce Timm working on a B:TAS continuation.

He didn't 'lie', he was misinformed

[ZariusTwo]

Sadly, some of the Youtube hate merchants from the fandom menace are already claiming victory and saying ClownfishTV were right, citing that the trailer is just 'bait and switch'. In truth they were always going to start raging on this show at first opportunity.

Clownfish themselves devoted their coverage of the trailer to having a go at the 'saltier' She-Ra fans

[TigerClaw]

Sadly, some of the Youtube hate merchants from the fandom menace are already claiming victory and saying ClownfishTV were right, citing that the trailer is just 'bait and switch'. In truth they were always going to start raging on this show at first opportunity.

Clownfish themselves devoted their coverage of the trailer to having a go at the 'saltier' She-Ra fans
I don't pay any attention to those youtubers, They always complain about wokeness in there favorite franchises.

[Vegita-San]

Sadly, some of the Youtube hate merchants from the fandom menace are already claiming victory and saying ClownfishTV were right, citing that the trailer is just 'bait and switch'. In truth they were always going to start raging on this show at first opportunity.

Clownfish themselves devoted their coverage of the trailer to having a go at the 'saltier' She-Ra fans

youtube is the only place you can go for real news.

[Leo656]

There's always the 1% (or greater) chance they turn out to be right, though.

I mean, we all thought Disney Star Wars was gonna be awesome. Partly because the MCU was such a success on their watch, and also just because "Disney" in general. "No WAY they can f*ck this up!"

And then they f*cked it up. They FIST-F*cked it up. With no lube. They pooched the biggest "sure thing" since the WWF bought WCW, and they pooched it spectacularly. Sure, there will be comics and TV series and so on that will be entertaining, but the film franchise is irreparable. The easiest layup of all time somehow ended up in the other team's basket, on the complete other side of the court. It still makes no goddamn sense how that even happened.

And now, I no longer do cartwheels until I actually have something cartwheel-worthy directly in front of me. Nobody gets the benefit of the doubt from me, anymore.

I don't *think* the show will be bad. But it might be. And if it is, I won't be the least bit surprised.

"From the mind which brought you 'Tusk' and 'Yoga Hosers'!" fills me with ZERO confidence whatsoever, no matter how awesome that trailer is (and it is, I'm not saying it isn't... I'm just saying, it's just a sizzle reel).

We shall see, fingers crossed.

[Coola Yagami]

Sadly, some of the Youtube hate merchants from the fandom menace are already claiming victory and saying ClownfishTV were right, citing that the trailer is just 'bait and switch'. In truth they were always going to start raging on this show at first opportunity.

Clownfish themselves devoted their coverage of the trailer to having a go at the 'saltier' She-Ra fans

Hate merchants? You mean truth merchants right?

If you want YouTubers to stop complaining about woke crap.... TELL THESE STUDIOS TO STOP MAKING WOKE CRAP.

It's like an abandoned house in the neighborhood attracting rats, everyone complains about it and no one does nothing, the rat problem gets worse do naturally it's news but every time someone covers the rat problem everyone complains 'oh here comes the hate brigade always talking about the rat problem'. It's like if you don't want to cover it constantly, do something about it.

[IMJ]

Honestly? The virtue signalers will use this as ammo to eat me alive at a later date (you know... I make airtight points, so naturally I'm the big bad guy to the mouth breathers) date.....

Pirate this **** if you are can't resist your addictions to watch it. Download it.

If it has merit, go back and watch it again via netflix.

It's the old Hollywood argument that has manipulated you anyway - "watch it and then make your judgement (heh heh, after you've given us your money for watching it)." Don't reward Hollywoke anymore unless it's earned it.

[ZariusTwo]

Honestly? The virtue signalers will use this as ammo to eat me alive at a later date (you know... I make airtight points, so naturally I'm the big bad guy to the mouth breathers) date.....

Pirate this **** if you are can't resist your addictions to watch it. Download it.

If it has merit, go back and watch it again via netflix.

It's the old Hollywood argument that has manipulated you anyway - "watch it and then make your judgement (heh heh, after you've given us your money for watching it)." Don't reward Hollywoke anymore unless it's earned it.

I intend to do that. Download first, and then catch it on Netflix if I feel it has legs. I'm not shilling for it, if it's woke done wrong, I'll admit when I'm wrong, but I just feel like it could be handled with a lot more care than what people are projecting/assuming.

Hate merchants? You mean truth merchants right?

They're hate merchants not because they're pointing out something that's in all likelihood accurate, they're hate merchants in the sense that they try to spin absolutely anything with an empowerment angle as a threat to what they consider the civilised world. It gets increasingly annoying.

Teela is being unfairly dogpiled by them for her 'butch' look and importance in the story, but she always had a key role in the mythos, and fans have clamoured for her to be a part of Adam's wider world and to fully embrace her destiny, which is of equal importance to the lore.

Hell, the MOTU movie is one of my childhood favourites, not only does Adam not appear at all, He-Man gets side-lined/captured mid-way through and , and the main character is largely Skeletor or Courtney Cox!

[Coola Yagami]

I intend to do that. Download first, and then catch it on Netflix if I feel it has legs. I'm not shilling for it, if it's woke done wrong, I'll admit when I'm wrong, but I just feel like it could be handled with a lot more care than what people are projecting/assuming.



They're hate merchants not because they're pointing out something that's in all likelihood accurate, they're hate merchants in the sense that they try to spin absolutely anything with an empowerment angle as a threat to what they consider the civilised world. It gets increasingly annoying.

Teela is being unfairly dogpiled by them for her 'butch' look and importance in the story, but she always had a key role in the mythos, and fans have clamoured for her to be a part of Adam's wider world and to fully embrace her destiny, which is of equal importance to the lore.

Hell, the MOTU movie is one of my childhood favourites, not only does Adam not appear at all, He-Man gets side-lined/captured mid-way through and , and the main character is largely Skeletor or Courtney Cox!

No one wants butch Teela, no one wants Teela to take the show from He-Man. Those aren't Teela fans or even He-Men fans.

And I'm sorry if their videos are so constant because the wokeness just doesn't ****ing stop. Like why not adapt the He-Man show closer to the 2002 version but even better? That one didn't forget He-Man was the main character, but that was also pre-woke era.

As for 'an empowerment angle as a threat to what they consider the civilised world', I mean... are they wrong? They don't get increasingly annoying... what gets increasingly annoying is we can't seem to be able to get anything.... literally... ANYTHING without wokeness.

I mean what's next? ALF reboot but this time 95% of the episodes are dealing with ALF's gender dysphoria? And then when Clownfish TV and everyone else rightfully complains, you're gonna complain too?

Don't direct your ire towards them. Direct it towards Kevin Smith, the true source of this ********. If the reboot was ****ing amazing and flawless believe me, Clownfish would be jizzing all over that because unlike Kevin, those two are ACTUAL FANS.

[IMJ]

I intend to do that. Download first, and then catch it on Netflix if I feel it has legs. I'm not shilling for it, if it's woke done wrong, I'll admit when I'm wrong, but I just feel like it could be handled with a lot more care than what people are projecting/assuming.

I know where you are coming from, man. You are coming from that place that I try to come from with a sense of reason where your recognize that:
presentation+personal psychology!=reality

I go for that too as much as possible. But it's been years of benefit of the doubt and this nonsense has continuously permeated our pop culture and done so in a vitriolic fashion.

As a statement to everyone who recognizes the forest for the trees here, just outright stop supporting situations where Hollywoke and the "people of twitter" receive any kind of financial reward or backing at all whatsoever.

[Coola Yagami]

I know where you are coming from, man. You are coming from that place that I try to come from with a sense of reason where your recognize that:
presentation+personal psychology!=reality

I go for that too as much as possible. But it's been years of benefit of the doubt and this nonsense has continuously permeated our pop culture and done so in a vitriolic fashion.

As a statement to everyone who recognizes the forest for the trees here, just outright stop supporting situations where Hollywoke and the "people of twitter" receive any kind of financial reward or backing at all whatsoever.

In my case, I cancelled my Netflix over them choosing to add that kiddy movie to their lineup. Rather than take it down after tons of backlash, they chose to double-down on it.

I'm not giving Netflix a dime.

[ZariusTwo]

Alright, so Kevin put out another bunch of tweets last night detailing more of the show.

-There will be a special recap intro in episode one to bring viewers up to speed

-The five episodes of volume one will each be a homage to several 80s movies, including Superman II, Temple of Doom, Batman '89, Hellraiser, and the Dolph Lungren MOTU Movie.

-The series description is for volume one only, it does not give away anything coming along in volume two.

-The show will not be any more 'woke' than the original was. Kevin also pointed out that the most powerful character in the franchise is actually The Sorceress.

[Coola Yagami]

Alright, so Kevin put out another bunch of tweets last night detailing more of the show.

-There will be a special recap intro in episode one to bring viewers up to speed

-The five episodes of volume one will each be a homage to several 80s movies, including Superman II, Temple of Doom, Batman '89, Hellraiser, and the Dolph Lungren MOTU Movie.

-The series description is for volume one only, it does not give away anything coming along in volume two.

-The show will not be any more 'woke' than the original was. Kevin also pointed out that the most powerful character in the franchise is actually The Sorceress.

1- yep, before it becomes the Teela show

2- we'll see

3- the Teela show

4- Yes but there were a lot of things keeping her powers in check. She can't even leave the castle in her human form. Something tells me if Teela becomes Sorceress she will become all-powerful without any of her limitations because 'yas queen'.

[ZariusTwo]

GpsmEcGmUBQ

[IMJ]

Kevin Smith's bull $#!(
Ok so it sounds basically like Skeletor gets the power sword and wins. It probably causes He-Man to revert back to Prince Adam in front of Teela who is shocked and angered that she had no "agency" over his secret. He-Man/Adam goes away in shame at his "wronging her" for lying and for losing to Skeletor and she has to rise up to be the champion as was "hinted at" during the original show somewhere.

Smith also says something about maybe not even wanting to do a second season because he'd be so nervous about following this season up, so that sounds like an early excuse if this thing fails or people are angry.

Meanwhile....

https://i.imgur.com/888grzxl.jpg

[ZariusTwo]

Ok so it sounds basically like Skeletor gets the power sword and wins. It probably causes He-Man to revert back to Prince Adam in front of Teela who is shocked and angered that she had no "agency" over his secret. He-Man/Adam goes away in shame at his "wronging her" for lying and for losing to Skeletor and she has to rise up to be the champion as was "hinted at" during the original show somewhere

Teela's destiny is to be the Sorceress, not the champion of Greyskull

[IMJ]

Teela's destiny is to be the Sorceress, not the champion of Greyskull

Ah. My fault. Amended.

Kevin Smith's bull $#!(

Ok so it sounds basically like Skeletor gets the power sword and wins, killing the Sorceress. This also causes He-Man to revert back to Prince Adam in front of Teela who is shocked and angered that she had no "agency" over his secret. He-Man/Adam goes away in shame at his "wronging her" for lying and for losing to Skeletor. Teela is now free to have "agency" over her future and rises up as the new Sorceress in order to grant Adam the ability to change again. During the last episode she shames Adam repeatedly for his "privilege" as He-Man before restoring him underneath her. Across the season, Skeletor "abuses" Evil-Lyn [they/them] who defects to the other side where they can be in peace about who they are. Upon his return, the whole team demands He-Man change his name to "Hero" or "Hero Person".

Smith also says something about maybe not even wanting to do a second season because he'd be so nervous about following this season up, so that sounds like an early excuse if this thing fails or people are angry.

Meanwhile....

https://i.imgur.com/888grzxl.jpg

[ABrown]

If this is a continuation of the original cartoon, then I think Teela and Evil-Lyn have been hitting the lesbian gym together for the last 35 years.

[IMJ]

If this is a continuation of the original cartoon, then I think Teela and Evil-Lyn have been hitting the lesbian gym together for the last 35 years.

No, no, no. You have to pay attention to the woke cues and correctly interpret these things so as not to offend an opportunis..... errr... someone. Teela hit the lesbian gym and Evil-Lyn had completed their re-assignment surgery.

https://i.imgur.com/888grzxl.jpg

[Coola Yagami]

You see my problem is not so much having a woman step up but so much the emasculation of the pre-existing male hero for that to happen.

I would rather Adam be lost in a portal or some ******** than to have him literally be shamed away and by his supposed best friend too.

So not only does Teela take over, they make her a hateful bitch I'd like to see Skeletor curb stomp.

[IMJ]

You see my problem is not so much having a woman step up but so much the emasculation of the pre-existing male hero for that to happen.

I would rather Adam be lost in a portal or some ******** than to have him literally be shamed away and by his supposed best friend too.

So not only does Teela take over, they make her a hateful bitch I'd like to see Skeletor curb stomp.

What you've said here is the root of all woke nonsense. But the haters disregard that logic in lieu of calling you a racist or a sexist or something . But the real truth that makes the woke nonsense insufferable is two or three fold:

-woke nonsense diminishes anything traditional for "the other", which immediately draws battle lines
-woke nonsense manifests in outlandish disproportion to "the world outside your window"
-woke nonsense, like modern liberalism, hides behind a veil of tolerance but in action is infiltrative, deconstructive and full of misguided vengeance. It's all a disingenuous lie. Don't believe any of it.

That's what these people want though. They don't want inclusion in a positive direction - they want negativity and to assault and harm anything traditional, most likely as a result of life-anger over personal psychology XYZ. That's the social angle, but the creator angle is most likely virtue signaling and onboarding so as to be part of "the Hollywood movement" of peers.

[Galactus]

No, no, no. You have to pay attention to the woke cues and correctly interpret these things so as not to offend an opportunis..... errr... someone. Teela hit the lesbian gym and Evil-Lyn had completed their re-assignment surgery.

https://i.imgur.com/888grzxl.jpg

Putting aside that for (what seems to be a sizable) portion of the show both characters will be sporting their classic designs what you've posted is supposed to be when the characters are older and more battle hardened.

I don't know what about them isn't feminine to you. They still have sizable busts and curves. Even their armor is figure hugging. Also not pictured there but we know that future Evil Lyn has long hair under her helmet for the first time ever. Surely by your logic she should have short hair, completely shaved on one side.

[IMJ]

Putting aside that for (what seems to be a sizable) portion of the show both characters will be sporting their classic designs what you've posted is supposed to be when the characters are older and more battle hardened.

I don't know what about them isn't feminine to you. They still have sizable busts and curves. Even their armor is figure hugging. Also not pictured there but we know that future Evil Lyn has long hair under her helmet for the first time ever. Surely by your logic she should have short hair, completely shaved on one side.

Surely not by my logic. The hair comment is your "absolute" interpretation of what I'm describing. You are sandbagging. The imagery, battle hardened or not, is clearly meant to invoke modern SJW themes for "counter culture" women.

At least have the conversation on honest merits instead of denying the root of the thing and opting to straw man instead. That's weak, man. Also, I never said anything about "feminine" one way or the other. That's also your revealing interpretation of the direction of the conversation which basically reveals that in your mind any challenge of appearance that lesbian or built woman cannot also look "feminine" under any other scrutiny. Because I never said that.

Now how hard those themes play out in the show remains to be seen. Clearly.

[ZariusTwo]

I would rather Adam be lost in a portal or some ******** than to have him literally be shamed away and by his supposed best friend too.

This would be what I would take issue with also even if I enjoy everything else. Star Wars Girl over on Youtube wants Teela to be the understanding one and not go through some angsty phase of self-discovery that turns her against Adam, her father, and even The Sorceress (assuming her mother survives the first episode), she wants her to nurture and pep talk Adam into taking back the power.

I don't mind Teela taking over for the first half of the series, I don't mind her being a little annoyed she had secrets kept from her, but you're right, she's known Adam since they were kids and while she was very critical of him in the old show, she was always loyal and protected him, and that protection wouldn't just stop if he didn't have the sword of power, if anything, she'd do her best to safeguard him even more because she knows everyone needs him.

So the journey for the first five episodes should be Adam and Teela together going off on a quest for the sword and to reform the old gang, while sorting out their trust and relationship issues.

[Coola Yagami]

Exactly!!! Classic Teela would help Adam, and be there for him emotionally.

Instead this looks more like Teela is gonna be like 'your false savior abandoned you like a coward, I'll take over and lead us to victory!"

[ZariusTwo]

Gizomodo talked to Smith a bit about inclusiveness and representation in Revelation, and he offers a few more details on the character of Teela's friend Andra, and how she will largely be the one to react to the conflict in Eternia with fresh eyes, and be the conduit for viewers unfamiliar with the franchise

https://gizmodo.com/how-masters-of-the-universe-revelation-updates-he-man-1847010849

[Coola Yagami]

Gizomodo talked to Smith a bit about inclusiveness and representation in Revelation, and he offers a few more details on the character of Teela's friend Andra, and how she will largely be the one to react to the conflict in Eternia with fresh eyes, and be the conduit for viewers unfamiliar with the franchise

https://gizmodo.com/how-masters-of-the-universe-revelation-updates-he-man-1847010849

*Shakes head* as if we needed someone like that.