Disney + Ms Marvel show

[Autbot_Benz]

The future of the MCU may just be getting its start on Disney+. The streaming service will likely be a test kitchen of sorts for new Marvel Comics characters who may transition onto the big screen in the next Phase(s) of the world-famous feature franchise. So just as Disney+ is bringing some big-screen A-list talent to the streaming service to kick things off with slate of spinoff series, so too will they launch live-action shows to spirit superheroes (and supervillains, likely) into theaters. And a new report suggests than an early attempt at that approach will be a live-action take on Marvel’s first Muslim superhero, Ms. Marvel.

As THR reports ahead of Disney’s D23 presentation, Marvel Studios will develop the Ms. Marvel series now that the relatively younger superhero’s mentor and inspiration Captain Marvel has become a cornerstone of the MCU. They’ve also reportedly hired Bisha K. Ali (Sex Education, Four Weddings and a Funeral) as writer and showrunner for the series. We’ll keep an eye out for confirmation as Disney’s D23 gets rolling, along with more details should they become available.
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Presumably, the series will focus on the latest iteration of Ms. Marvel, that of Pakistani American and Muslim Kamala Khan, who takes a form of Captain Marvel’s name as an homage to her idol. The hero herself has been around since 1977, but Kamala’s shapeshifting Inhuman version of Ms. Marvel arrived back in 2013. Once upon a time, current Captain Marvel Carol Danvers took the name for her alter ego, so now, Khan is continuing the trend. Don’t confuse their power sets though; this version of Ms. Marvel can bend and stretch her body into just about any size and shape, making her a similar hero to that of DC’s Plastic Man and Elongated Man.

As of the moment, it’s unclear just when the show will arrive and if/when its characters and storylines will be incorporated into the MCU. But the animated wing of Marvel has already tackled the character, notably in the recent Marvel Rising title. There, Ms. Marvel battled alongside Squirrel Girl, Quake, Patriot, and America Chavez. Don’t be too surprised if some of these names pop up along with Ms. Marvel herself in months to come.
http://collider.com/ms-marvel-series-disney-plus/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter#kamala-khan

[neatoman]

So I'm assuming she's a Mutant or something instead of an Inhuman?

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/Qdrkd9I.jpg

[Galactus]

Moon Knight and Ms Marvel deserve their own movies but I'll take the series.

Also y'know She-Hulk probably deserves her own movie too even though the concept probably works best as a series.

[Shark_Blade]

I don't know much but she’s a female rubber superhero like Elastigirl/Mr Fantastic and a muslim.

Look forward to this series. :tlove:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Hooray for representation, but I don't care about Kamala Khan. If reviews are good, I'll give it a try.

[Autbot_Benz]

Moon Knight She Hulk and Ms Marvel are apart of Phase 4

https://i.imgur.com/6bdXcEt.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

So apparently the writer recently deleted tons of feminist tweets talking about #whitemengenocide and the like?

https://cosmicbook.news/bisha-k-ali-deletes-controversial-tweets

[Voltron]

No politics, please.

[Andrew NDB]

Eh. So all the James Gunn stuff that was posted beforehand on this board was cool but this is "political"?

[Mayhem]

Indeed, considering what happened with Gunn, I feel it’s an appropriate note to make as the same thing is happening here.

[Voltron]

Eh. So all the James Gunn stuff that was posted beforehand on this board was cool but this is "political"?

1. I was referring to Mr. Ernst's assumption that Bisha K. Ali's comment about fascism in the United States was being direct at a certain political figure. Not to mention her anti-male rhetoric is off topic. We're here to discuss Ms. Marvel, not the politics of one of the people involved.

2. I can't be everywhere at once, and all the James Gunn stuff I saw was about his sexual misconduct, not about his politics.

3. If you feel that something SHOULD be acted upon, but isn't, let me know. I'm trying my hardest to be fair about all of this, but I'm far from perfect.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Hooray for representation, but I don't care about Kamala Khan. If reviews are good, I'll give it a try.


Yeah, neither do I. Tried reading the first volume TPB of her series back when she was introduced- HATED it! Lazy, clichéed writing, one- dimensional characters, and boring tropes galore. I will give this series a miss. (Probably not missing anything....)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So apparently the writer recently deleted tons of feminist tweets talking about #whitemengenocide and the like?

https://cosmicbook.news/bisha-k-ali-deletes-controversial-tweets

Fascinating. That bodes well for things. :tlol:

[ZariusTwo]

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[Autbot_Benz]

So they changed her power to wrist gaultnets because her comic powers are two similar to Reed Richards. Looks decent will check it out

[Andrew NDB]

Well. At least they can check some more boxes.

That's something, right?

[Galactus]

So they changed her power to wrist gaultnets because her comic powers are two similar to Reed Richards. Looks decent will check it out

Probably because plans for the Inhumans were downsized and all they got was a crappy series no one watched. It's probably regarded as the weakest thing Marvel Studios have ever put out.

The status of the Marvel TV shows pre-Disney+ seems kinda nebulous. It seems they are porting over the actors to play the characters but the events of their shows may not have happened. I think this goes double for Agents of SHIELD so the Inhuman plot line couldn't serve as a set up.

Still there's rumours they may use Black Bolt in Doctor Strange 2 I hope something happens with the Inhumans as they deserved better. Kamala could still be connected to them for all we know the bracelets could be made of terrigen which activated her Inhuman gene.



Well. At least they can check some more boxes.

That's something, right?

Yeah it's not like the character has been a runaway hit in the comics market. It's not like anyone ever thought the character would translate well to film and television from her early comics being published or anything.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah it's not like the character has been a runaway hit in the comics market.

Is she? I did a quick Google and all I see is stuff about her book(s?) being cancelled.

[Galactus]

Is she? I did a quick Google and all I see is stuff about her book(s?) being cancelled.

Which is a more than bit of mystery as it was a fairly solid seller even after the first few years of impressive sales. Some people have speculated that Marvel felt the character was so intrinsically linked to the writer that wrote the book for a long that the ongoing would struggle without her penning. She's had limited series and her own quasi-mini event and she's got ongoing again presumably in anticipation of the Disney+ show.

This isn't the only time they've done this. Captain America for a while now has not had a proper ongoing and it's place we had the United States of Captain America and the Captain America/Iron Man team up book. No one would ever say that was because of sales but maybe treading water with these kind of things is just a new strategy rather than instantly relaunching a book with every new creative shift.

[IMJ]

It looks like they appropriated Quasar's Quantum Bands and gave them to this trash fest instead.

So basically so much for ever seeing Wendell Vaughn Quasar on-screen now that they completely unnecessarily did this instead.

I've been a Quasar fan and collector for 30+ years. This is beyond disappointing. Even if they call them "the nega bands" on the show, it doesn't matter because they pulled their source-deviation nonsense again and that will be enough for the on-screen normies.

Basically there is no way that Marvel will put this crap on screen and then put another energy-construct manipulator on screen later as Quasar. Let alone a blond haired, blue eyed white guy.

I had hopes for this show and thought the representation was nice for girls and so on. Now I hope it f'n fails miserably. Marvel = Representation by excluding, appropriating and taking of what came before.

[neatoman]

"Fantasy Land"

... But... That **** is real in this world, becoming a superhero is a totally reasonable prospect. Granted, you don't want to juice Goblin serum or something to achieve it but still.

And... Can we just talk about how weird it is for Carol to be someone's idol here? It makes some sense in the comic, not so much in the MCU. MCU Carol basically popped in on Earth like three times and ****s off to space as soon as she shows up. As far the public should be concerned, she's a weird anomaly who barely has a presence.

[Andrew NDB]

So it's out. Has anyone seen?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Just watched the first ep, and.... Eh? I didn't hate it quite as much as the comic, and it was interesting that they decided to switch the roles of her parents as to which one is the ultra-traditional one, and the dad is the more permissive and progressive one. But her family is still pretty stereotypical, she's still an almost outlandishly over-blown fangirl, and she's so spacey and disconnected with reality that the entire "super-hero powers fantasy" of actually gaining powers just makes her family (and everyone else) very much right that she's got her head too far in the clouds. Also, what the heck is up with that band?(Singular. Why is there only one? And what was her grandmother doing with it??)

[IMJ]

Whatever it is, I simply can't help but feel that this negates an on-screen Quasar using the Quantum Bands. Whether she's projecting "crystals" or whatever, that thing definitely operates like the Quantum bands visually and there's no way that Marvel is now going to release a superior character wearing quantum bands in the form of a blonde haired, blue-eyed white guy as Quasar.

Worst case is we get Phylla Vell on screen.

On that note though, maybe some evidence for Wendell Vaughn Quasar appearing in Ms. Marvel's show here (https://wave1collectibles.com/blogs/w1c-market-watch-hot-comics-cards-toys/ms-marvel-disney-potentially-reveals-wendell-vaughns-quasar).....

[Andrew NDB]

So Ms. Marvel beat out Hawkeye for the lowest viewership in its first 5 days, and by a lot. Hawkeye did 1.5 million views and this only did 775k.

https://heroichollywood.com/ms-marvel-premiere-lowest-mcu-viewership/

[ZariusTwo]

Kamala's never been a massive draw.

I mean, christ, she doesn't even really have an ongoing comic book out right now, because all her series kept bombing.

[Sumac]

I wonder why the choose her as protagonist for the TV series, in this case?
LOL

[Andrew NDB]

Funny since Hawkeye was the best of the Disney+ MCU shows, as far as I saw of it. The rest were terrible. Haven't seen Ms. Marvel, but I doubt it's worse than Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

Looking at the "first 5 days" ratings across the MCU Disney board I agree with them almost entirely with the exception of Moon Knight.

Loki was solid. All the way through with only a couple of cringey moments. Wandavision was close to great but it got bungled near the end. Falcon & Winter Soldier was... pretty decent until they took their year off for COVID and came back with the BLM slant. Moon Knight finished like a month ago and I barely remember anything about it other than we barely saw Moon Knight and it seemed very important to the people involved to make the female Egyptian lady be a superhero at the cost of everything else. Including Moon Knight.

Hawkeye had its heart in the right place but it was just too light and camp. And what should've been the Kingpin's grand (re)entrance into the MCU was made into a comical thing.

[IMJ]

They changed her unnecessarily for the show and they diminished the likelihood of one of their other I.P.s by doing it. Kamala has nothing to do with energy powers, energy constructs or "hard light".

What's worse is that the character does have a -small- fanbase and had Marvel not continued to drift from the source material, "Ms Marvel" might've done well. It's not over though - I suppose the show could get a ratings kick during the Holiday weekend, or once the eps are all released and people can power watch it.

[IMJ]

Don't give woke $#!( the paid clicks.

[Galactus]

Kamala's never been a massive draw.

I mean, christ, she doesn't even really have an ongoing comic book out right now, because all her series kept bombing.

Yeah we're going to hear this a lot while the series is airing but it's plainly not true. The character's first issue broke sales records and was reprinted seven time. That's unheard of in today's industry and her first volume was a consistently big seller.

Sure her second volume wasn't as big but still very solid sales. This is largely put down to a lot of the new-to-comics readers that the character attracted in big numbers switching to digital or dropping off due to not understanding the modern comic industry's model of relaunches.

I feel it should be pointed out that that despite the practice of cancelling books and relaunching them in the hopes it will bring in new and lapsed readers this has only happened to Kamala Khan when Marvel as a whole has had line-wide relaunches. Her sales have always been good enough that it wasn't necessary.

I don't think it 's a big deal she doesn't currently have an ongoing. As I mentioned earlier in the thread Steve Rogers hadn't had an ongoing for a while but no one argues that no one cares about Captain America (even though Steve Rogers legacy title had pretty horrible sales). Presumably just like with Captain America the idea is to keep the brand active via team up books and mini series before launching a proper ongoing in the wake of the Disney+ series like they did with the two Cap books launched after Falcon and The Winter Soldier.

I can see why people might argue the character isn't currently s big deal...I'd disagree but I could see why you'd think that but to say she was never popular is being disingenuous. I can't wait for Love and Thunder to drop to go through this bs even more.

[Coola Yagami]

I always thought they changed (****ed up) Kamala's powers because they were too similar to Reed's and since we haven't gotten a MCU FF yet, they don't want any confusion or the fans to think that Reed is ripping off Kamala or is 'the male version of Kamala' or whatever by the time he finally makes a more official appearance.

Haven't seen Dr. Strange, was Reed in it and if he was, did he use any stretchy powers?

[Andrew NDB]

I always thought they changed (****ed up) Kamala's powers because they were too similar to Reed's and since we haven't gotten a MCU FF yet, they don't want any confusion or the fans to think that Reed is ripping off Kamala or is 'the male version of Kamala' or whatever by the time he finally makes a more official appearance.

Haven't seen Dr. Strange, was Reed in it and if he was, did he use any stretchy powers?

He was and he did.

[IMJ]

Love that you guys always assume I do. Thanks. :roll:

It's a statement as an operating model, not a personal attack.

[Andrew NDB]

So is this show over yet? Did Brie Larson show up?

[Autbot_Benz]

So is this show over yet? Did Brie Larson show up?

Next Week is the last episode.

[ProphetofGanja]

Ya know, this show was better than I expected it to be. But I expected it to be Pretty Bad.

[neatoman]

Ya know, this show was better than I expected it to be. But I expected it to be Pretty Bad.

So in a serious sense, it's between bad and mediocre?

[ProphetofGanja]

So in a serious sense, it's between bad and mediocre?

I'd rate it a solid "Tolerable". It's a show to watch on Wednesdays, I don't get irritated if I space out and miss an important conversation, I'll either catch up or go back and rewind, and it at least gives me the illusion of Big Things Coming Soon in the MCU.

I actually think it'll have more rewatch value than TFATWS, for whatever that's worth.

[CyberCubed]

Watched the first two eps, this isn't very good. Too Muslim-centric for me, I knew it was about a Muslim girl and her family to an extent but this is too much for me. All the middle school stuff is tired cliche you've seen a million times over. Her powers are weird and not what I expected.

The actress is also too heavy set, nothing interesting about watching a fat middle school girl. I don't know if I can power through the remaining 4 eps, maybe I'll watch them on 2x speed just to get through them fast.

[IMJ]

If you watched them on Disney+ then you paid Disney to complain about a show you don't like.

[Andrew NDB]

So did Brie Larson show up or no? Any surprises at the end?

[Autbot_Benz]

So did Brie Larson show up or no? Any surprises at the end?

Tomorrow Andrew Tomorrow is the final episode :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

If you watched them on Disney+ then you paid Disney to complain about a show you don't like.

Which is why I never will, lmao.

[CyberCubed]

If you watched them on Disney+ then you paid Disney to complain about a show you don't like.

Nah, I've never had a Disney+ subscription. Or a Netflix one, or a Paramount+ one, or an HBO max one. I don't even have an Amazon prime sub either.

Yet I still watched all these shows like Stranger Things, Obi-Wan, the Marvel shows, Star Trek Picard and Strange New Worlds, Young Justice, the Snyder cut of Justice League and countless other stuff. I just watch everything for free on the illegal streaming websites, not only is every show in one place, but it saves me time and money. Just think of all the money you could be saving!

[IMJ]

I'm less concerned with saving my money and more concerned with not giving money to woke $#!(.

I will say that I wanted Ms. Marvel to do well. I think in spirit it's a good concept. But when you combine the woke $#!( zeitgeist with how it looks like they took from Quasar as a character and gave to Ms. Marvel as a character and between those two things I want nothing to do with it.

Left alone on it's own merits though it could've been worth supporting.

[superstaff]

I'm less concerned with saving my money and more concerned with not giving money to woke $#!(.


Why do you assume everyone who says they watch something you deem 'woke', you always accuse them of paying for it, and having subscriptions for streaming services? Every single time. Without fail. And multiple times (you've done it to me at least twice already).

Like Cyber says, illegal websites exist, and people use those. Or borrow physical media. Or whatever.

Why is it your concern how I spend my money, anyway? I'll buy and support whatever I want, bro. Maybe I'll go buy fifty copies of Captain Marvel DVDs at Walmart right now. :ohwell: I'll pass them around like candy to the childrens, just to 'indoctrinate' them, out of spite. (Especially fitting since you guys think I'm an evil 'groomer' or whatever :lol:)

[Andrew NDB]

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[superstaff]

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If IMJ was a leftist yelling at you and everyone else to stop spending money on 'racist sh*t', you'd be telling him to f*ck off. But since he's on 'your side', it's fine that he keeps pulling this bullsh*t. :ohwell:

[Andrew NDB]

If IMJ was a leftist yelling at you and everyone else to stop spending money on 'racist sh*t', you'd be telling him to f*ck off. But since he's on 'your side', it's fine that he keeps pulling this bullsh*t. :ohwell:

I'm just giving you sh**. But whenever IMJ comments about "Don't pay for woke sh**" I never take it as a personal dig at me, but rather a broad reminder to not support a thing that's woke (like public service announcements). The problem is you keep taking it as a personal dig.

[superstaff]

I'm just giving you sh**. And whenever IMJ comments about "Don't pay for woke sh**" I never take it as a personal dig at me, but rather a broad reminder to not support a thing that's woke.

Ah, okay. I'll check in with IMJ every time I want to buy something. Wouldn't want to accidentally 'support the woke'! I would hate for the Milkyway bar I buy at the local convenience store be considered woke, and make IMJ mad at me. :cry:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I care nothing for Miss Marvel, but IMJ seems like a pretty cool dude. Would like to meet him someday.

[CyberCubed]

Watched up to episode 5 now, yeah this is the worst Disney+ Marvel show so far. It's not even the writing, there's just not enough "story" to fill 6 episodes. So many useless filler scenes in every episode just to point out Muslim, Pakistan, or Indian culture. And none of this has anything to do with anything, or the main character, they're just showing us Muslim culture in every episode.

If anything this show is turning me off of Muslims, Indians, and Pakistani's, I feel like I'm being brainwashed into watching some propaganda about people from the middle east. Why do I need to sit through a weird Pakistan dance? Or wonder why her mother comes from India but also is Pakistani? Who cares about this?

Ugh, I'm going to go back to watching shows about mostly white people again after this.

[Andrew NDB]

Skimmed over the final episode.

No cameos of any kind. Not Captain Marvel, Kate Bishop or anybody. Looks like just a lot of scenes of Ms. Marvel talking to her mom. And the end credit scene is just a couple of feds saying "we should bring her in."

[ZariusTwo]

A little bit of the X-Men 90s theme played when Kamala was described as having a 'mutation'

[superstaff]

A little bit of the X-Men 90s theme played when Kamala was described as having a 'mutation'

Oh God... :roll:

Are they going to play that theme every time they vaguely reference the X-Men? It's even dumber since Kamala isn't a mutant in the MCU (or did they change this during the course of the show at some point?), nor in the comics.

[Autbot_Benz]

looks like Carol did show up at the end of the episode . She has Long Hair again instead of the short endgame haircut

https://i.imgur.com/5OS4Uwg.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

looks like Carol did show up at the end of the episode . She has Long Hair again instead of the short endgame haircut

https://i.imgur.com/5OS4Uwg.jpg

Where the heck was that? I skimmed over the episode twice and didn't see anything. Is it like a 3 second thing?

[Autbot_Benz]

Where the heck was that? I skimmed over the episode twice and didn't see anything. Is it like a 3 second thing?

Post credit scene.

[Andrew NDB]

Post credit scene.

Was there more than one? The one I stopped on only had like a man and woman federal agents talking about "Let's bring her in" about Kamala and it was like the least exciting end credits scene in any MCU project ever.

[Autbot_Benz]

Was there more than one? The one I stopped on only had like a man and woman federal agents talking about "Let's bring her in" about Kamala and it was like the least exciting end credits scene in any MCU project ever.

I guess Carol was the second Post Credit Scene. . Every article says it was a post credit scene

[CyberCubed]

Yeah the Carol part is after the credits. I don't understand how she warped into her.

I don't like all the Muslim, Indian, Pakistan stuff here, it really turned me off.

[Autbot_Benz]

Yeah the Carol part is after the credits. I don't understand how she warped into her.

I don't like all the Muslim, Indian, Pakistan stuff here, it really turned me off.

She didn't warp into Carol they switched places so not Carol has to find Kamala in The Marvels

[Coola Yagami]

So if Kamala is a mutant, why does she even have the magic bracelets, or is it a case that because she's a mutant is why the bracelets work for her, and presumably nobody else? Or were the bracelets just toys and 'the power was in you all along?'

[Andrew NDB]

So if Kamala is a mutant, why does she even have the magic bracelets, or is it a case that because she's a mutant is why the bracelets work for her, and presumably nobody else? Or were the bracelets just toys and 'the power was in you all along?'

Probably something like the latter. Training wheels.

[superstaff]

So if Kamala is a mutant, why does she even have the magic bracelets, or is it a case that because she's a mutant is why the bracelets work for her, and presumably nobody else? Or were the bracelets just toys and 'the power was in you all along?'

It's called: the (current?) MCU creatives are morons who don't know what they're doing, and are just winging this without putting thought or care into the stories they are telling or the characters they are creating/adapting.

[Coola Yagami]

It's called: the (current?) MCU creatives are morons who don't know what they're doing, and are just winging this without putting thought or care into the stories they are telling or the characters they are creating/adapting.

I think we got a winner from our favorite left-right TrumBiden lovin' landwhale. :)

[superstaff]

I think we got a winner from our favorite left-right TrumBiden lovin' landwhale. :)

That's me...

[Coola Yagami]

That's me...

And we love ya for it!

[superstaff]

And we love ya for it!

No. You don't. :ohwell:

[Coola Yagami]

No. You don't. :ohwell:

At least I do. You're one of my new faves.

[superstaff]

At least I do. You're one of my new faves.

Cool beans.