Hawkeye Disney+ Series

[TigerClaw]

Word has it that Bumblebee's Hailee Steinfeld is up for the role of Kate Bishop in the Hawkeye Series for Disney+.
https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/hawkeye-series-hailee-steinfeld-disney-plus-1203318859/

[AquaParade]

This may get me to watch it. She was the best part of Bumblebee. See is really likeable, so I'm sure she gets a lot of offers. She has a bit of an Emma Stone vibe on screen.

[Andrew NDB]

She was good in "True Grit," too.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

She was good in "True Grit," too.

Oh, so THAT'S where I've seen her before! Yeah, she was good in that.

[Andrew NDB]

I just hope this is Hawkeye training her to go and join the Young Avengers or whatever while he's still doing his own thing. How sad would it be that he finally gets a solo anything and it's just to pass the torch to some kid.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I just hope this is Hawkeye training her to go and join the Young Avengers or whatever while he's still doing his own thing. How sad would it be that he finally gets a solo anything and it's just to pass the torch to some kid.

Pretty much as sad as Black Widow's solo movie finally coming, but only after she kicked the bucket. :tlol:

Trust me, this is Hawkeye's swan song.

[NinjaPug]

Filming started today

https://screenrant.com/hailee-steinfeld-kate-bishop-casting-confirmed-hawkeye-mcu/

[IMJ]

This may get me to watch it. She was the best part of Bumblebee. See is really likeable, so I'm sure she gets a lot of offers. She has a bit of an Emma Stone vibe on screen.

That was a great flick. If Bumblebee launched the Transformers franchise on film back in the day, we'd have had a much cooler Transformers series on film over time.

Not so interested in Hawkeye though, or much of Disney's upcoming, agenda-laden Marvel. It's happening though so we'll see how the people they are appealing to carry it forward in the long term.

[ranger_scout]

Filming started today

https://screenrant.com/hailee-steinfeld-kate-bishop-casting-confirmed-hawkeye-mcu/

Here's a first look at Steinfeld.

https://media.comicbook.com/2020/12/hawkeye-kate-bishop-hailee-steinfeld-jeremy-renner-1248130.jpeg?auto=webp&width=750&height=575&crop=750:575,smart

https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/hawkeye-tv-show-spoilers-hailee-steinfeld-kate-bishop-costume/

[Andrew NDB]

Wow... the Vincent D'onofrio Kingpin back in it? Around episode 5?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/hawkeye/hawkeye-will-reportedly-feature-the-return-of-vincent-donofrio-as-wilson-fisk-kingpin-a186704?fbclid=IwAR39-n5OXnum07WUHrU0vvSYQ6zFsGmxpSsXRfKw6khvlyqO-BwQnkComK0#gs.0ea1.6od48i

[ZariusTwo]

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Christ, I've seen Hallmark do better.

[Galactus]

MCU Hawkeye has always been dull to me. At first I thought that it was because he spent most of Avengers 2012 brainwashed but then Age of Ultron gave him his own sub plot which was...fine but didn't make him anymore interesting. I had high hopes for him as Ronin in Endgame but nope still dull and it didn't help that the costume was a very poor translation of a identity whose primary appeal is so how f**king cool the costume looks.

His better moments have always been with Natasha both the more emotional parts and their banter "like Bucharest all over again". This looks better for giving him a partner he can do more of that with sells this to me.

[Andrew NDB]

That's clearly Yelena in the Ronin outfit in the trailer. Also, I had no idea this was going to be a Christmas-spirited thing. I guess that's cool.

[Roseangelo]

I am looking forward to this.

[Andrew NDB]

So the first two are up on Disney+. Right now.

First one has a strong beginning and then meanders quite a bit.

[ZariusTwo]

Thoughts on ep 1

Hmm...titles at the front, not at the end. Kind of like Black Widow. Guess it's the new norm at Marvel now.

Nice touch with the Avengers musical giving Clint a bad case of PTSD when 'Natasha' turned up. Also, the play makes use of some artistic licence/revisionist history in adding Ant-Man to the battle.

I thought Kate would have been discovered when she found Simon Callow's character dead, but she got away. Maybe later episodes will reveal the CCTV caught her and that'll leave her with more trouble.

Anyone have a guess as to what the watch means just yet?

The fight scenes were well choreographed and quite brutal for an intergender clash.

[Andrew NDB]

Finished episode 2. And mostly everyone around me while watching, I'm talking about how Kingpin is supposed to show up... even if thats completely unconfirmed.

Then I'm remembering Daredevil, still fresh in mind from a fresh rewatch. Season 1. Every episode hit hard. Self contained, building towards something big. This doesn't seem that. There are fun enough moments... but this isn't that. That level of storytelling.

Basically if Kingpin does show up and I get my wish... yeesh. I wonder if it will even be remotely what I actually want to see.

[ZariusTwo]

For laughs, I put together a 50 minute cut of the first two episodes of this, putting a lot more of the focus on Clint rather than Kate. I end it just as the family are cooking dinner.

[Coola Yagami]

I guess this whole thing ends in a way to explain who Kate Bishop is and how Yelena joins the Avengers for the next movie.

[AquaParade]

I’m enjoying the show, two episodes in. I’m not really in love with any of these MCU shows so far, but this one is getting some good laughs out of me, and I enjoy both leads. Plus, I’m a sucker for ninjas and therefor “Ronin”.

My favorite of the MCU shows so far is WandaVision, which I truly enjoy. Falcon & Winter soldier was pretty good and I hear Loki was great, but I couldn’t stay tuned and it lost my attention.

This series will make or break with me in the third act, most likely. I hope they keep things grounded.

[Andrew NDB]

Wow... the Vincent D'onofrio Kingpin back in it? Around episode 5?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/hawkeye/hawkeye-will-reportedly-feature-the-return-of-vincent-donofrio-as-wilson-fisk-kingpin-a186704?fbclid=IwAR39-n5OXnum07WUHrU0vvSYQ6zFsGmxpSsXRfKw6khvlyqO-BwQnkComK0#gs.0ea1.6od48i

This seems to support this:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/hawkeye/hawkeye-has-one-of-the-shows-producers-revealed-when-spoiler-debuts-in-the-series-a189849?fbclid=IwAR2PKK-X65BQF6s-k-WFolixpRRe4fkyftjhf-sxCnYLcADMU7N2ZFXuKxU#gs.0c97.he8xdd

[Andrew NDB]

About 5:00 in on episode 3 and...

... that is 100% the D'Onofrio Wilson Fisk there. You don't see his face, but that's him standing there in his Daredevil season 1-style black suit and that's his voice. Also plenty of allusions to him later. Hawkeye clearly knows about him as he all but mentions his name at one point. Fisk is definitely "Uncle."

No shadow of a doubt now, it's him. These first three episodes are ho-hum but I'm really stoked.

[ProphetofGanja]

About 5:00 in on episode 3 and...

... that is 100% the D'Onofrio Wilson Fisk there. You don't see his face, but that's him standing there in his Daredevil season 1-style black suit and that's his voice. Also plenty of allusions to him later. Hawkeye clearly knows about him as he all but mentions his name at one point. Fisk is definitely "Uncle."

No shadow of a doubt now, it's him. These first three episodes are ho-hum but I'm really stoked.

Yeah I 100% think that was Kingpin. That is the D'Onofrio laugh right there

[Andrew NDB]

So no Kingpin, just a Yelena cameo at the end.

Also, they couldn't help themselves. They had to force an awkward moment where a random black lady mentions that "my wife made that bag" or whatever.

[Andrew NDB]

Yep.

Kingpin/Fisk. But... it's only a reveal at the very end. Of a grainy photograph (but D'onofrio is in the end credits so it's for sure). So the entirety of the potential Kingpin content will only be in the final episode next week.

So yeah. Pretty weak. On the whole.

[Andrew NDB]

So the finale.

A perfectly sound beginning to the episode... followed by a completely campy, goofy rest of the episode. Like Batman & Robin when they fought Mr. Freeze's ice squad. And then an infuriating treatment of Kingpin. THIS is how they bring him in? To do this to him?

This whole show apparently only exists to demonstrate how awesome Kate is and how icy cool this Echo is. It accomplishes neither task. One big goofy 6 hour camp fest to just do that. Nothing else.

[Autbot_Benz]

I doubt Kingpin is dead he will probably be the villain in the Echo Series. That part where Maya Shoots him is straight out of a Daredevil comic.
here are the comic panels in question

https://i.imgur.com/a2kcPF3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HE8zEHZ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5VWXqvw.jpg

Also looks like Laura is mockingbird with the way she looked at the watch and AOS fans (yes that show actually has fans) are pissed

[Andrew NDB]

Also looks like Laura is mockingbird with the way she looked at the watch and AOS fans (yes that show actually has fans) are pissed

AOS has tons of fans and I'm one of them. And just because she may take the role that Mockingbird filled doesn't mean the original Mockingbird never existed.

[neatoman]

I have not read the particular comic where he gets shot in the eyes... But I have read this one:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0V0BGsQ2JzY/VmUyzpfXqnI/AAAAAAAAC-U/VpKNjHcR5a4/s0-Ic42/RCO013.jpghttps://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4Vk_cOz3h3o/VmUyzo3SHLI/AAAAAAAAC-U/l5aOqQfTC1w/s0-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, what a great reintroduction of the Kingpin. Gets beat up by a young inexperienced girl, hit by a car, and then has to fake a death.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Having watched the episode, and seen several YouTube videos on his appearance, his entire arc in this series was apparently adapted from the same arc in Daredevil, where she does in fact shoot him, and leaves him for dead. He loses an eye instead. So the general consensus is that he WILL be back, in part because comics, and in part because by tv/movie villain logic, no body = no death. I liked the ending, personally, and only found it mildly campy with the tree scene and the fight with Yelena and Kate. But both were entertaining, so I didn't mind.

[Coola Yagami]

Having watched the episode, and seen several YouTube videos on his appearance, his entire arc in this series was apparently adapted from the same arc in Daredevil, where she does in fact shoot him, and leaves him for dead. He loses an eye instead. So the general consensus is that he WILL be back, in part because comics, and in part because by tv/movie villain logic, no body = no death. I liked the ending, personally, and only found it mildly campy with the tree scene and the fight with Yelena and Kate. But both were entertaining, so I didn't mind.

Did they ever tell Yelena how Nattie actually died?

[Andrew NDB]

Did they ever tell Yelena how Nattie actually died?

The gist of it yeah.

[Coola Yagami]

The gist of it yeah.

Cool, and she backed off and all that or did it end in a way where she still wants revenge or something.

[Andrew NDB]

Cool, and she backed off and all that or did it end in a way where she still wants revenge or something.

The former. It's put to bed.

What isn't mentioned at all is how Valentina or whatever figures into all of this. Valentina told Yelena that Hawkeye killed her sister at the end of Black Widow (which isn't mentioned at all here)... yet Kate Bishop's mom hired Yelena to kill Hawkeye anyway? Yelena would have tried to kill him anyway. Doesn't really jive well.

[Coola Yagami]

The former. It's put to bed.

What isn't mentioned at all is how Valentina or whatever figures into all of this. Valentina told Yelena that Hawkeye killed her sister at the end of Black Widow (which isn't mentioned at all here)... yet Kate Bishop's mom hired Yelena to kill Hawkeye anyway? Yelena would have tried to kill him anyway. Doesn't really jive well.

I guess it's 'in case no one saw the movies' but that also makes no sense since these shows are supposed to be for the ones that watch each and every one of these.

[Andrew NDB]

I guess it's 'in case no one saw the movies' but that also makes no sense since these shows are supposed to be for the ones that watch each and every one of these.

I guess when Kate's mom called someone to kill Hawkeye, she actually called Valentina, who then brought Yelena in on it? So the end credits scene of Black Widow takes place somewhere between episodes 2 and 3 of Hawkeye? Maybe? But that's still pretty messy. And that would mean Valentina is dealing in things as simple as on demand assassinations?

I was hoping it would be implied that Kingpin somehow owns Valentina. That this new Avengers she is gathering is really orchestrated by him. But nothing here.

[Andrew NDB]

SJWs are happy about a supposed "queer Christmas" in the show. I guess because Kate wore a tuxedo for 2 minutes in the show?

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/12/how-hawkeye-hit-the-bullseye-on-kate-bishops-queer-christmas-story.html

Some real weirdos out there.

[Coola Yagami]

SJWs are happy about a supposed "queen Christmas" in the show. I guess because Kate wore a tuxedo for 2 minutes in the show?

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/12/how-hawkeye-hit-the-bullseye-on-kate-bishops-queer-christmas-story.html

Some real weirdos out there.

Similar to how that one woman's main reason to do the Loki show was to have a single line hinting he's bi.... this kind of crap is literally the only thing these weirdos care about.

I'm surprised Kate didn't just make out with Yelena. That would have gotten a standing ovation, and from other people besides Cybercubed.

[Andrew NDB]

Vincent D'Onofrio addresses the fans saying that Fisk is way stronger than he was in Daredevil:

https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/hawkeye/hawkeye-star-vincent-donofrio-addresses-fan-criticisms-about-the-kingpins-enhanced-strength-a190831?fbclid=IwAR1U_htKgX-U5t_eIFofBteyhyZmzqJ62dgbrHk3WijCuvX08J7veNhNvqQ#g s.f128.l4pni3

"You know I learned recently, a couple of the fans, they were very excited about it, they were commenting about the strength that I have," he started. "Because I'm throwing Kate [Bishop] around and stuff. But, I totally forgot. I just saw a clip on Twitter of me and Charlie [Cox] fighting in [Stephen] DeKnight's first season. Obviously, he's an incredible director. He helped develop the character of Wilson Fisk."

"There's a scene that we shot on an alley, in a street in Brooklyn, where I'm literally throwing Daredevil (Charlie) through the air. Like, I'm picking him up and swinging him 15 feet into a garbage can. I do it a few times in that fight. It's no different, it's really not," D'Onofrio continued. "So, I keep saying that it's the same Fisk that was in Daredevil. It's the same canon, but people get confused about things. I understand."

[Allio]

There is a lot of story problems I had with this show. But I do think this was probably the best of the four shows.

[Andrew NDB]

WandaVision was way more interesting, save for the lackluster ending. Loki was way more fun and way less silly. I only find it better than Falcon & The Winter Soldier, but Falcon & The Winter Soldier largely SUCKED.

[Allio]

For me the lackluster ending of Wandavision was what really REALLY hurt it in the long run.

[Andrew NDB]

For me the lackluster ending of Wandavision was what really REALLY hurt it in the long run.

Yeah. Sadly. Apparently there were COVID issues that made scheduling everybody for the shoots they had in mind an issue... but what a total swing and a miss there after a lot of super cool and weird (in a good way) build up and intrigue. Still, very solid 95% of the way beyond a couple of odd choices, but with what they built up they really needed a solid ending there. Falcon & Winter Soldier? There's some nice moments in it, but it's pretty weak. Zemo was great to see but did barely anything, and put on his mask for absolutely no reason. And the writers room used their time off from COVID for evil, coming back and apparently re-writing the last third or so with a racially-charged kick that is as forced as much as it stinks. Hawkeye, after a second rewatch I'm a lot more forgiving of it overall but it's not even close to the top. It's got a lot of corny for corny's sake, and a true "Batman & Robin" flavor every time there's any villains there that aren't named Fisk when maybe they should have been shooting for something closer to "Bourne" or something.

Loki? I don't like a couple of small things, but that's pound for pound the best thing they've put out so far. Solid beginning, compelling middle, great end. I've seen it three times (one by myself at every midnight it came out, once with the wife, once with the daughter, and enjoyed it each time). And when I say "end" I mostly mean the episode before the last episode, but there's good stuff in the last one, too. Great casting choices. 3 episodes in and I was pretty sold on all of the characters and their chemistries.