Vaping leading to deaths

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/2k0Fczr/vape.jpg

A seventh person has died from "possible" e-cigarette use:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/17/health/seventh-vaping-related-death-california/index.html

E-Cigarette bans are already underway in a few states. All of this without any actual proven connection between the deaths and e-cigarettes/vaping and while data is still being gathered.

Where do you guys come down on this?

[IMJ]

LOL! -sarcasm- Who would've guessed?

Over the course of my life I've heard hundreds of idiots lie to themselves and others about any given substance. "I only smoke lights". "I only have a few a day." With vaping it was "it's not cigarettes."

I mean, isn't obvious? At least it should be to anyone with half a brain..... if you inhale basically any recreational use material into your lungs then you are eventually going to have a negative respiratory outcome. Hell, even the natural air isn't what it's supposed to be anymore, so what makes anyone think that vaping is "okay"?

But I think it should also be noted that these recent vaping stories do have some similarities to the "Summer of the Shark". I mean - there have to be hundreds of thousands of "vapers" who haven't harmed themselves - yet. I'm just saying this as a counter point. I think it's clear that vaping is a recreation for fools, but in these cases of harm I haven't heard much of anything about interactions (what else was being used), or quantity, etc.

[IndigoErth]

Yup, lungs don't like and were not meant for anything other than oxygen. Frequently inhaling something else into them... no kidding it may cause problems.

Shame if it really is leading to some deaths, though not at all surprised that there may be ill side effects. It's just a damned shame this stuff is so popular with kids. Saw that coming a mile away, that it would get getting kids addicted in reverse, when this crap first came out. And then they made it worse with flavors.

People are free to take their own risks with this junk though, I guess. It just shouldn't have ever been released to the public without proper studies, warnings, etc in place first.


Me personally... It's just another one of those things that I just don't see any real point in bothering with. Just a waste of money and risk of health, so meh, no thanks.

[Prowler]

LOL! -sarcasm- Who would've guessed?

Over the course of my life I've heard hundreds of idiots lie to themselves and others about any given substance. "I only smoke lights". "I only have a few a day." With vaping it was "it's not cigarettes."

I mean, isn't obvious? At least it should be to anyone with half a brain..... if you inhale basically any recreational use material into your lungs then you are eventually going to have a negative respiratory outcome. Hell, even the natural air isn't what it's supposed to be anymore, so what makes anyone think that vaping is "okay"?

But I think it should also be noted that these recent vaping stories do have some similarities to the "Summer of the Shark". I mean - there have to be hundreds of thousands of "vapers" who haven't harmed themselves - yet. I'm just saying this as a counter point. I think it's clear that vaping is a recreation for fools, but in these cases of harm I haven't heard much of anything about interactions (what else was being used), or quantity, etc.
Potheads always use the "weed is harmless while tobacco is evil!" argument. Nothing surprising there. It's sad how a lot of potheads seem to actually believe that hoax.

[Andrew NDB]

LOL! -sarcasm- Who would've guessed?

Over the course of my life I've heard hundreds of idiots lie to themselves and others about any given substance. "I only smoke lights". "I only have a few a day." With vaping it was "it's not cigarettes."

I mean, isn't obvious? At least it should be to anyone with half a brain..... if you inhale basically any recreational use material into your lungs then you are eventually going to have a negative respiratory outcome. Hell, even the natural air isn't what it's supposed to be anymore, so what makes anyone think that vaping is "okay"?

But I think it should also be noted that these recent vaping stories do have some similarities to the "Summer of the Shark". I mean - there have to be hundreds of thousands of "vapers" who haven't harmed themselves - yet. I'm just saying this as a counter point. I think it's clear that vaping is a recreation for fools, but in these cases of harm I haven't heard much of anything about interactions (what else was being used), or quantity, etc.

Although all of these cases seem to be traced back to one bootleg batch of weed oil, or something... and even there, nothing conclusive has come of it.

Me, personally... I wouldn't be surprised if there's a connection. What I'm not too keen on is slapping hard legislation based on only circumstantial evidence before anything conclusive is arrived at. Secondly, I'm not too keen on stuff being taken away from adults just to keep them away from children. I know a lot of ladies in their 20s and 30s that love their disgusting strawberry-watermelon or whatever vape. Even dudes that should lose their man card doing the same.

I tried to vape on two different occasions. Both times (separated by months), I ended up getting something like the flu a day or so later. Could be coincidence... no clue. I smoke cigarettes because they're delicious, though I make no bones that as I approach 40 that probably isn't a sustainable business plan for too much longer and will have to give it up.

[IMJ]

What I'm not too keen on is slapping hard legislation based on only circumstantial evidence before anything conclusive is arrived at.

That's the intellectual evaluation of the situation, and I completely agree you. I've seen a lot of public policy reactions like this across my life, but I can say that "cancel culture" is more prolific nowadays with the "Millenial Mentality".

We used to call this mentality "absolute thinking", and everyone understood that negative descriptor. But somewhere along the way, millenials took a phony "leadership class" and were taught "leaders buck the trends and stay the course!" and so now in arrogance these people argue everything as if they are making the stand that will change the world. I saw the beginnings of this near the end of college and then later while working at a college.

This gives rise to the political-caterer. A politician who uses the millenial mentality for votes, and they appease the millenial mentalities by employing the political version of modern cancel culture. "Ban it!"

Cancel culture. Power for the powerless individual who has some kind of maladaptive life anger but doesn't actually give a **** about anyone else. Sure, those people can hold their own - when they are in a group wearing masks yammering on about old statues and hitting people from behind. Or yammering on about banning things.

[Andrew NDB]

That's the intellectual evaluation of the situation, and I completely agree you. I've seen a lot of public policy reactions like this across my life, but I can say that "cancel culture" is more prolific nowadays with the "Millenial Mentality".

We used to call this mentality "absolute thinking", and everyone understood that negative descriptor. But somewhere along the way, millenials took a phony "leadership class" and were taught "leaders buck the trends and stay the course!" and so now in arrogance these people argue everything as if they are making the stand that will change the world. I saw the beginnings of this near the end of college and then later while working at a college.

This gives rise to the political-caterer. A politician who uses the millenial mentality for votes, and they appease the millenial mentalities by employing the political version of modern cancel culture. "Ban it!"

Cancel culture. Power for the powerless individual who has some kind of maladaptive life anger but doesn't actually give a **** about anyone else. Sure, those people can hold their own - when they are in a group wearing masks yammering on about old statues and hitting people from behind. Or yammering on about banning things.

Suffice to say I agree with all of this.

[Wildcat]

There was another smoking topic but my answer is the same. Why does anyone want to smoke in the first place when it’s proven to cause incurable diseases?

As for vaping, not having concrete evidence means nothing. It’s toxic and that’s the point. It’s not an alternative to cigarettes.

It’s funny, I watch a lot of old game show reruns, and just today during an episode of Password Plus the celebrity guest started smoking in the middle of the game.

I understand it was viewed differently then, it was the 70s, but it seriously took me back for a minute. Right in front the contestants. I’m sure you know they sit face to face. He put it down during turns but come on that couldn’t wait?

[Andrew NDB]

There was another smoking topic but my answer is the same. Why does anyone want to smoke in the first place when it’s proven to cause incurable diseases?

Because cigarettes are delicious. And go great with alcohol -- a two-fer!

[Prowler]

There was another smoking topic but my answer is the same. Why does anyone want to smoke in the first place when it’s proven to cause incurable diseases?

As for vaping, not having concrete evidence means nothing. It’s toxic and that’s the point. It’s not an alternative to cigarettes.

It’s funny, I watch a lot of old game show reruns, and just today during an episode of Password Plus the celebrity guest started smoking in the middle of the game.

I understand it was viewed differently then, it was the 70s, but it seriously took me back for a minute. Right in front the contestants. I’m sure you know they sit face to face. He put it down during turns but come on that couldn’t wait?

You could literally ask this about any other unhealthy habit people have, to be fair. :P

But yeah, I tried tobacco before and it was meh. I bought a Marlboro pack and smoke a couple of cigs. The first puff or two are nice and you feel the effect in your head... but then I felt like I was finishing the cigarette out of obligation. Oh, and my hands stank afterwards. Maybe I needed a few more cigs to get addicted, but no thanks. :lol: It's not for me.

[AquaParade]

I have some catching up to do on this topic. Are people voicing the idea that Vaping could be a scapegoat in this situation?

EDIT: I guess I'll just do my research and come back.

[Prowler]

Because cigarettes are delicious. And go great with alcohol -- a two-fer!

I've met people who only smoke when they're drunk. They say it goes well with being drunk.

[Wildcat]

Because cigarettes are delicious. And go great with alcohol -- a two-fer!But seriously the health risks don’t frighten you? We’re talking about some of the absolute worst diseases.

You could literally ask this about any other unhealthy habit people have, to be fair. :P

But yeah, I tried tobacco before and it was meh. I bought a Marlboro pack and smoke a couple of cigs. The first puff or two are nice and you feel the effect in your head... but then I felt like I was finishing the cigarette out of obligation. Oh, and my hands stank afterwards. Maybe I needed a few more cigs to get addicted, but no thanks. :lol: It's not for me.Ya there’s a lot of unhealthy things you could do. The difference is smoking is literally poisoning your body.

Other things, depending on what it is of course, are fine not as long as they’re done within reason. If the side effects were something tolerable and just inconvenienced you then I could understand indulging.

I don’t drink alcohol either. I’ve tasted beer before and it’s ok I guess but I never desire it. Most I’ve had was half a can on my 21st birthday. I simply do not care for it.

That and I don’t want to get buzzed, drunk or whatever and sick to stomach. I can imagine what a hangover feels like.

[turtle1237]

I don't smoke, but I do enjoy a glass of wine from time to time. :lol: I don't drink to get drunk, as long as you don't over do it, you should be ok IE, don't get drunk in other words lol.

[Andrew NDB]

Drinking not to get drunk?

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[FredWolfLeonardo]

A person I knew who was a pack a day smoker suddenly started buying vapes one day from where i work, claiming that he wanted to quit for good and that vaping feels amazing to him.

About two weeks later, he was back to smoking, with the tagline that vaping is "gay, and for girls" lol.

I am not very knowledgable about vaping, nor do I have any interest in the habit, nor am I claiming that it is inherently a good thing, but to me, it seems that perhaps, many of the deaths seemingly caused by vaping could be partially attributable to the fact that many Vapers were once extremely heavy cigarette smokers.

[IndigoErth]

Wonder why the change of heart. Sounds like someone picked on him for it.


I don’t drink alcohol either. I’ve tasted beer before and it’s ok I guess but I never desire it. Most I’ve had was half a can on my 21st birthday. I simply do not care for it.

That and I don’t want to get buzzed, drunk or whatever and sick to stomach. I can imagine what a hangover feels like.
I don't drink to get drunk, as long as you don't over do it, you should be ok IE, don't get drunk in other words lol.
Likewise. Was never something I had any interest in or saw the point of. On a rare occasion I'll have one of something, but that's it. Never been drunk and don't care to be. I fully accept that I'm no fun in that department and more of a born "designated driver" type that would rather keep watch over others. Someone's gotta do it. (Oh, hi, unsurprising Leo fan here. lol) Even though other people shirking their own personal responsibility and getting drunk somewhat annoys me, to be honest.


Closest I've had to it, with no alcohol even involved, was after having insomnia and working all day, I came home from work that evening and stupidly had an energy drink with dinner thinking it wouldn't do anything anyhow, since I never really felt like those things did much on the rare occasion I'd had them in the past... then proceeded to once again get no sleep. I had to call out the next day because I couldn't even walk straight, let alone drive. Though I found it a little funny at the moment, I still felt foolish (and lost a day's pay) and that's just not really anything I want to repeat or worse with alcohol.

[oldmanwinters]

I've noticed the government is really coming down hard on the vape culture in the last few months. I see anti-vaping commercials on TV everyday, and the local news always runs a story about the dangers of vaping every couple of days. There's a clear organized effort to try and outlaw or hyper-regulate it.

[Leo656]

Man, this place is full'a nerds.

[IMJ]

Man, this place is full'a nerds.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Wildcat]

I don't smoke, but I do enjoy a glass of wine from time to time. :lol: I don't drink to get drunk, as long as you don't over do it, you should be ok IE, don't get drunk in other words lol.Sure I know you can drink without actually getting drunk and every type varies in severity. I just don’t care to feel the effects either way.

[IMJ]

Sure I know you can drink without actually getting drunk and every type varies in severity. I just don’t care to feel the effects either way.

I'm a fan of Johnny Walker Black Label, Crystal Skull Vodka and a variety of wines. If my lady wants Tequilla I'll spend the money on petron because at my age I want alcohol without fumes. Sammy Hagar's Cabo Tequilla is actually pretty good too. I'm an Irish guy and so I like my beer - stouts and red ales are great. I went through a craft beer phase as well but it subsided when I realized that IPA's suck and most people were buying them because it was a fad the likes of Beanie Babies and 90's comics books.

On that note, everyone should check out the Johnny Walker Director's Cut bottles from the Blade Runner 2049 release. A bottle might set you back a few bills now - it was very limited, but it's decent stuff. Alcohol, like cigars, can be a classy endeavor if you learn how to appreciate it and speak to it. I'm a fan of Acid's Kuba Kubas, but only with a punch and not cross cut because you want the pure smoke flavor draw in conjunction with the solid wrapper taste of that particular method of manufacturing.

But there are a lot of kids that go through the virtue signaling "I won't touch it!" phase, and eventually move into drinking PBR for fifty cents a can. You grow out of that too. I've never touched a drug a day in my life though. That's just not my thing.

:D

[Andrew NDB]

I'm a fan of Johnny Walker Black Label, Crystal Skull Vodka

You've got to be sh**ting me. Crystal Skull vodka is like skipping the fun drunk and going right to the hangover. The bottle literally advertises "we filter it through vats of crystals".... can anyone tell me the filtering power of crystals? That seems like the opposite of filtering.

But hey, I bought one and met Dan Aykroyd.

https://i.ibb.co/GPN1dPT/dan.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/f4q8xYV/dan2.jpg

I've never touched a drug a day in my life though. That's just not my thing.

I've dabbled in less than some, but more than many. Nothing crazy. Enough to leave it alone many years ago. Even weed. No thanks, but that messes with everyone differently.

Vices: cigarettes and vodka. That's it.

[IMJ]

You've got to be sh**ting me. Crystal Skull vodka is like skipping the fun drunk and going right to the hangover. The bottle literally advertises "we filter it through vats of crystals".... can anyone tell me the filtering power of crystals? That seems like the opposite of filtering.

But hey, I bought one and met Dan Aykroyd.

https://i.ibb.co/GPN1dPT/dan.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/f4q8xYV/dan2.jpg

Sometimes I think that you and I would have a blast at a party, man. LOL! Aykroyd gets around - he shows up at this really unique brew 'n view just outside of Chicago in Naperville, IL called the Hollywood Palms. I haven't had chance to meet him yet though. I hope I do someday.

He recently did a really interesting Joe Rogan. I give Dan credit - Joe was sort of in a mood and kicking his ass a bit, but Dan just hung in there and did his thing. He was pimping the vodka and the crystal thing hard... hahaha he was saying that millenials love that ****... hahahaha. But it is clean, smooth vodka. That's definitely true.

[Wildcat]

There might be an alcoholic drink I would like the taste of...but it’s alcohol. That ruins it for me because I want to be able to enjoy something without a strict limit and physical risk.

Some of the stuff mentioned is pretty hard stuff. I’ve never tried any but I’ve heard it’s strong and not in a good way, unless that’s how you like it.

I did sample something at a family together awhile back since it was just a sample. I took a very, very small sip. It burned and the flavor wasn’t anything special.

To me alcohol is pointless. It’s not tasty, it impairs your body and judgement and has it’s own serious health risks.

[Leo656]

Some'a you f*ckers never even tried Guinness and it shows. Nerds!

[Wildcat]

I’ll take a Root Beer and pretty much anything fruity...nothing beats a fresh glass of water though :D

[Voltron]

Some'a you f*ckers never even tried Guinness and it shows. Nerds!

Guinness isn't a beer as much as it is some gift from the gods we don't deserve.

[AquaParade]

There might be an alcoholic drink I would like the taste of...but it’s alcohol. That ruins it for me because I want to be able to enjoy something without a strict limit and physical risk.

Some of the stuff mentioned is pretty hard stuff. I’ve never tried any but I’ve heard it’s strong and not in a good way, unless that’s how you like it.

I did sample something at a family together awhile back since it was just a sample. I took a very, very small sip. It burned and the flavor wasn’t anything special.

To me alcohol is pointless. It’s not tasty, it impairs your body and judgement and has it’s own serious health risks.

Gotta be honest, it sounds like you're ruining it for yourself.
Or at least, talking yourself out of it.

[IMJ]

Some'a you f*ckers never even tried Guinness and it shows. Nerds!

:lol: ;) I can just imagine you sitting there at your monitor sort of exclaiming in this high pitch, yet gravely voice... "Neeerrddss!" Like Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds... hahaahaha. -I do the same thing-

Guinness isn't a beer as much as it is some gift from the gods we don't deserve.

Like I said above, stouts and red ales, baby! Rock Bottom is a corporate brewery - they've got one called "Ragtop Red" and it's amazing. But if I'm buying bottles I'm always happy to find Killian's.


Gotta be honest, it sounds like you're ruining it for yourself.
Or at least, talking yourself out of it.

Yup. I've got to periodically remind myself that the anonymity of the internet can hide the fact that sometimes the adult you think you are talking to could actually be some dumb kid, or some maladaptive weirdo, or some functionally autistic person. When you put that in perspective against the posts that deliver those extreme-behaviour-commentaries, it helps raise the tolerance levels a little....

[IndigoErth]

Nerds?? Well I never! Hmph.

But someone has to be sober enough to laugh at the drunks. Glad I wouldn't be the only one in this joint.

https://i.ibb.co/f4q8xYV/dan2.jpg
I imagine it probably tastes like what jet fuel might :dead:, but that's a pretty awesome bottle though.

[Andrew NDB]

Sometimes I think that you and I would have a blast at a party, man. LOL! Aykroyd gets around - he shows up at this really unique brew 'n view just outside of Chicago in Naperville, IL called the Hollywood Palms. I haven't had chance to meet him yet though. I hope I do someday.

He's always got the same motif... baseball cap and big sunglasses. I wish he didn't.

Fairly personable guy though he definitely wanted to move the line along. I got to tell him, "Huge fan of all of your work" and I got the head nod and a "thank you," which is about all you can expect.

But it is clean, smooth vodka. That's definitely true.

Absolutely not, unless he's improved the process in the years since I bought that bottle (which was maybe 8 years ago?). You take two shots and it feels like you accidentally killed a bottle by yourself. Terrible, headache inducing stuff.

There might be an alcoholic drink I would like the taste of...but it’s alcohol. That ruins it for me because I want to be able to enjoy something without a strict limit and physical risk.

You could live the healthiest life of all and wake up tomorrow with a brain tumor. Conversely, you could smoke cigarettes everyday and live to 95.

Life is short.

[Wildcat]

Gotta be honest, it sounds like you're ruining it for yourself.
Or at least, talking yourself out of it.Nah. Like I said the times I’ve had alcohol I did not even feel like more.

There’s actually some flavored drinks that sound good to me but after seeing they’re alcoholic it turns me off. I can have a flavored soda, juice or whatever without the side effects.

Although I know the effect alcohol has is the reason people drink it in the first place but I do not want to feel those effects.

You could life the healthiest life of all and wake up tomorrow with a brain tumor tomorrow. Conversely, you could smoke cigarettes everyday and live to 95.

Life is short.Ya but there’s no reason to purposely increase the chances. Especially over things you don’t care about to begin with. I don’t drink coffee either. Not over health concerns. I just do not care for it.

I get the appeal of alcohol and smoking but even without the major health risks the effects they have are so off putting. Altering your behavior and smelling bad.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Although I know the effect alcohol has is the reason people drink it in the first place but I do not want to feel those effects.

And of course, some people think you're a killjoy if you have no desire to feel those effects.

People having fun without alcohol? Imagine my shock.

I've never touched a drug a day in my life though. That's just not my thing.

I know what you mean, but alcohol is commonly accepted to be a drug as well.

[IMJ]

I know what you mean, but alcohol is commonly accepted to be a drug as well.

Yes. That's true.

[Leo656]

The more people talk, the more I understand why some of 'em have so much time to hawk this place and talk about dolls and cartoons. :trazz:

.......he observed in a completely neutral and non-judgmental fashion. :fshifty:

[IMJ]

The more people talk, the more I understand why some of 'em have so much time to hawk this place and talk about dolls and cartoons. :trazz:

.......he observed in a completely neutral and non-judgmental fashion. :fshifty:

With no other outlet, it's like.....
https://i.imgur.com/BNlC8wX.gif

These are the only boards where I use the avatar I have to the left....

[Voltron]

Nah. Like I said the times I’ve had alcohol I did not even feel like more.

There’s actually some flavored drinks that sound good to me but after seeing they’re alcoholic it turns me off. I can have a flavored soda, juice or whatever without the side effects.

Although I know the effect alcohol has is the reason people drink it in the first place but I do not want to feel those effects.

Ya but there’s no reason to purposely increase the chances. Especially over things you don’t care about to begin with. I don’t drink coffee either. Not over health concerns. I just do not care for it.

I get the appeal of alcohol and smoking but even without the major health risks the effects they have are so off putting. Altering your behavior and smelling bad.

Oh, just give in to peer pressure. You really only need one kidney.

[IndigoErth]

And liver... Oh.

[IMJ]

-facepalms- Good God, guys, isn't there a world of rationality that you can live in where you enjoy the experience of some of these things within reason? I mean, liver and kidney failure have been brought up unreasonably, "peer pressure" has been cited in the most base of ways, and given the conversation someone actually cited the example that alcohol is classified as a "drug".

I have no objections to anyone who chooses to omit alcohol in their lives for whatever reason. That's the truth - but I really struggle when I see absolute behavior based on heuristic thinking that appears to come from no place higher than a grammar school thought process.

I mean... seriously... some of the stuff I've read in this thread? -facepalms-

:lol::lol:

Now I'm waiting for someone to Napoleon Dynamite up and respond "OH YEAH!? What's so funny about kidney failure! It's not a laughing matter and drinking is bad -stomp's foot- so I think it's you that needs to facepalm yourself! SO THERE!"

[Prowler]

Meh moderation is the key. Same goes for moderation in moderation. Getting drunk a few times a year is unlikely to kill you by the time you're 45. Otherwise most people would die of liver or kidney failure by then. And if ONLY alcohol was the only way to get kidney and liver problems. Oh boy. Sure, don't drink beer... but also better cut on dairy if that worries you so much. :P

Drinking can be fun and relaxing. I got some quite funny and memorable drunk stories from my early 20s.

I don't care about drugs or tobacco, though. But that's just me. Go ahead and smoke tobacco and pot if that's what you want to do.

[IndigoErth]

-facepalms- Good God, guys
so I think it's you that needs to facepalm yourself! SO THERE!"
But... but you already did?


I mean, if anyone needs to facepalm to not take the thread too seriously, I won't judge.

[IMJ]

I mean, if anyone needs to facepalm to not take the thread too seriously, I won't judge.

Roger that, fair enough....
8)

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Now I'm waiting for someone to Napoleon Dynamite up and respond "OH YEAH!? What's so funny about kidney failure! It's not a laughing matter and drinking is bad -stomp's foot- so I think it's you that needs to facepalm yourself! SO THERE!"

To be fair, I find the best and funniest jokes to be those that involve some sort of pain and misery.

So jokes about drunkeness and even people dying because of it admittedly get a laugh out of me, but that doesn't mean that I necessarily want to be involved myself.

[Prowler]

To be fair, I find the best and funniest jokes to be those that involve some sort of pain and misery.

So jokes about drunkeness and even people dying because of it admittedly get a laugh out of me, but that doesn't mean that I necessarily want to be involved myself.

You know what's funny? Being the only sober person around a bunch of drunk people is actually pretty boring and makes everyone look stupid and annoying in your eyes. That's how I felt when I graduated HS and there was a big party for the graduation students at this nice rural estate with a dinner and also an open bar... and you can just imagine how a bunch of 17-19 year old kids will act when unlimited alcohol is involved, don't you? I wasn't a drinker at the time yet so, unlike 95% of my classmates, I did not touch any booze that night and mostly saw people acting like idiots and throwing up. I guess it was funny for like 5 minutes, but I eventually got bored.

Being around drunk people is only fun if you're also drunk yourself.

[IMJ]

To be fair, I find the best and funniest jokes to be those that involve some sort of pain and misery.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You, me and 90% of the rest of the world. This is why "America's Funniest Home Videos" made the broadcast picks they made all those years....

8)

[Wildcat]

I know drinking alcohol now and then is not going to kill you and you won’t get drunk if you know when to stop...and anything can be bad if you abuse it.

I never said drinking automatically ruins your body. Just meant since it can cause health problems it’s 1 more reason to avoid it.

I simply do not care for it in general. The taste, feeling or whatever. I’m sure a lot of people don’t drink. Not really surprising.

Smoking is pure garbage. No reason to try it. I don’t even like the smell of secondhand smoke.

[Andrew NDB]

I know drinking alcohol now and then is not going to kill you and you won’t get drunk if you know when to stop

What's so bad about getting drunk once in a while?

[Wildcat]

What's so bad about getting drunk once in a while?Is that a serious question?

Even if I liked alcohol why would I want to go that far? I hate feeling sick and vomiting.

You’d think everyone would feel that way but besides alcohol videos of people doing stuff like eating raw food or whatever for views debunks that. :lol:

I don’t mean competitive eating...which I still find gross.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

What's so bad about getting drunk once in a while?

Well, its not bad to not get drunk ever.

I can't speak from firsthand experience, but being drunk doesn't look like a particularly pleasurable sensation to me, I find soda to be far more appealing personally when it comes to beverages.

[Andrew NDB]

Even if I liked alcohol why would I want to go that far? I hate feeling sick and vomiting.

lol... you can get drunk and not be sick and not vomit. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

lol... you can get drunk and not be sick and not vomit. :lol:

Thousands of sorority sisters strongly disagree. :tlol:

Yeah, I've never gotten sick or puked or anything. Ya get tired, maybe a little woozy and stumbling if you've been slugging the White Russians, and a bit of a buzzing headache.

No big deal. Drink at home, relax with a nice book or movie, knock them back with the SigOt. Just don't drink if you're planning to do something creative after...

Smoking I've never considered, but I firmly support anyone's right to smoke. Just not in my house.

[Prowler]

lol... you can get drunk and not be sick and not vomit. :lol:

Yeah jsut drink enough to get buzzed but not super drunk. I've only gotten drunk a few tiems in the past few years and haven't had a hangover since like 2014. And people say that you can no longer avoid hangovers when you're past 25. It's been the exact opposite in my case :lol:. Or it could be because with experience I've learned how to drink properly and control the intake to reach a good enough point, and also because I've put on some weight and am no longer scrawny despite still being thin :trazz:. Also, I only drink beer, really. And a few beers might get me buzzed and all but they're not gotta knock me out :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I've never gotten sick or puked or anything. Ya get tired, maybe a little woozy and stumbling if you've been slugging the White Russians, and a bit of a buzzing headache.

No big deal. Drink at home, relax with a nice book or movie, knock them back with the SigOt. Just don't drink if you're planning to do something creative after...

Depends what you drink. Tequila, no... good luck. Now, a "twee" of vodka isn't really inconducive to creativity, I've found.

I got f***ed up in Vegas this July and took many days to recover, but even then I didn't barf. Before that, maybe 10 years.

And people say that you can no longer avoid hangovers when you're past 25

Those people don't know what they're talking about.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Depends what you drink. Tequila, no... good luck. A "Twee" of vodka isn't really in inconducive to creativity, I've found.

I got f***ed up in Vegas this July and took many days to recover, but even then I didn't barf. Before that, maybe 10 years.

Rum, usually. Or vodka.

[IndigoErth]

Even if I liked alcohol why would I want to go that far? I hate feeling sick and vomiting.
I'm with you. My head in particular, I don't like feeling anything other than normal. (Hell, I hate the gas at the dentist for the exact same reason and refuse to use it.) (edit: Not that I like a sick stomach either, I just haven't experienced it with alcohol since I've only drank very minimally. Though it takes a lot of anything for my stomach to ever decide that enough is enough.)



Among the drinks I've had on a rare occasion, a favorite is Applebee's white peach sangria. (For anyone who likes fruity stuff that actually tastes good... it's awesome. :thumbsup:) But it's a bit big and tends to give me a temporary somewhat "icky" feeling, for lack a of better word, part way in. Maybe that feeling is that buzz that some people like, but I just really don't. I really don't want to waste it, but it's in goblet type glass so it's a bit large, though the last time I had it I learned to ask for a half size in a regular glass which was perfect.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I don't drink often, but I love a mudslide or a daqueri on occasion. I'm mostly a mixed drink gal, and I usually stop after one or two, though even the few times I've been sh**-faced, I've never really been sick. Puked just once the first time I ever got plastered, but was fine afterwards, without even a headache. Was really more of an upset stomach from mixing a variety of drinks than a hangover, tbh. And have never had any repeats of the problem. Then again, I seem to have a high chemical tolerance anyway. Takes more to affect me than for most people my size. Which- can be an advantage.... :twink: :tcool: :tlol: :trazz:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't drink often, but I love a mudslide or a daqueri on occasion. I'm mostly a mixed drink gal, and I usually stop after one or two, though even the few times I've been sh**-faced, I've never really been sick. Puked just once the first time I ever got plastered, but was fine afterwards, without even a headache. Was really more of an upset stomach from mixing a variety of drinks than a hangover, tbh. And have never had any repeats of the problem. Then again, I seem to have a high chemical tolerance anyway. Takes more to affect me than for most people my size. Which- can be an advantage.... :twink: :tcool: :tlol: :trazz:

Mudslide? Had to Google that... looks intriguing...

[Wildcat]

lol... you can get drunk and not be sick and not vomit. :lol:That’s true. You might just become really dazed and out of sorts but I still don’t want to feel that way.

Even without alcohol we’ve all experienced feeling crappy for some reason.

I'm with you. My head in particular, I don't like feeling anything other than normal. (Hell, I hate the gas at the dentist for the exact same reason and refuse to use it.) (edit: Not that I like a sick stomach either, I just haven't experienced it with alcohol since I've only drank very minimally. Though it takes a lot of anything for my stomach to ever decide that enough is enough.)Ya that’s what I mean. Not feeling right sucks and yet some do it on purpose or at least don’t mind it. O_o

[Voltron]

That’s true. You might just become really dazed and out of sorts but I still don’t want to feel that way.

Even without alcohol we’ve all experienced feeling crappy for some reason.

Ya that’s what I mean. Not feeling right sucks and yet some do it on purpose or at least don’t mind it. O_o

Alcohol doesn't make you feel crappy. It makes you feel good. That's why people drink it.

And, in moderation, one can get a mild buzz without the hangover.

The issue lies in one's self-control and susceptibility to addiction. There's a variety of "drinkers" out there. I've got a friend who can't handle more than two beers, and set a hard limit there. I have a friend who drinks non-stop. No exaggeration. Both have totally different responses to alcohol, too.

[Andrew NDB]

Alcohol doesn't make you feel crappy. It makes you feel good. That's why people drink it.

And, in moderation, one can get a mild buzz without the hangover.

The issue lies in one's self-control and susceptibility to addiction. There's a variety of "drinkers" out there. I've got a friend who can't handle more than two beers, and set a hard limit there. I have a friend who drinks non-stop. No exaggeration. Both have totally different responses to alcohol, too.

What do you do?

[Wildcat]

Alcohol doesn't make you feel crappy. It makes you feel good. That's why people drink it.

And, in moderation, one can get a mild buzz without the hangover.

The issue lies in one's self-control and susceptibility to addiction. There's a variety of "drinkers" out there. I've got a friend who can't handle more than two beers, and set a hard limit there. I have a friend who drinks non-stop. No exaggeration. Both have totally different responses to alcohol, too.I know I was talking specifically about getting drunk.

Andrew asked what’s so bad with getting drunk sometimes. Not sure if he was totally serious but I was just saying why I wouldn’t want to be drunk.

[Voltron]

What do you do?

I drink like a fish, so I refrain from drinking as much as I can. It's strictly for special occasions, like St. Pat's or a night-out. I don't keep it in the house. And I don't order it when I'm out.

The other night I was hanging out with some friends who have a "brewery club". They get together once a week and brew different kinds of beers. They always have some cool experiment on hand, and it's always fun to try.

Problem is, I'm bad with self-control. So I tried my best not to swill down everything they had. I felt a little stale the next day, but I was proud of myself for not going overboard.

True story: I once fell passed out on one side of a country and woke up on another side.

[Andrew NDB]

I drink like a fish, so I refrain from drinking as much as I can. It's strictly for special occasions, like St. Pat's or a night-out. I don't keep it in the house. And I don't order it when I'm out.

Hm. Sometimes I need to ration myself. I don't mean like, if it's in the house I'm going to drink it but more like... if I'm taking shots from a fifth, my "let's stop at a little less than half a bottle" warning system gets a little muddy towards the end. If I only pour into a bottle in front of me what I intend to drink in a given night, that seems to work well.

With friends is dangerous. Inevitably there comes a point where someone will say, "Oh oh, we need another bottle." We don't, unless there's a bunch of us.

True story: I once fell passed out on one side of a country and woke up on another side.

How does this happen?

[IndigoErth]

True story: I once fell passed out on one side of a country and woke up on another side.
Sooo... on a plane, train, car... or where you just, I dunno, kidnapped? lol :teek: Though kidnapping a drunk person sounds like more of an annoyance than it would be worth.

[Prowler]

I get buzzed or drunk a few times a year. 3-4 or so.About a month ago or so I got drunk for the first time in like 15 months. I felt happy and relaxed. I was afraid I'd wake up feeling worn out next day... but no. No hangover whatsoever. I guess I drank enough water and also avoided falling asleep when I was still drunk. Falling asleep at the peak of drunkness is not a good idea.

I don't regret it. I had not let loose like that since like 2014. You see, feeling happy and confident when you take booze is a very nice feeling. It helped me talk to girls when I was younger. It's called liquid courage for a reason.

[Andrew NDB]

Drink enough water. Begin drinking with some food in your belly... not too much, though.

That's the key.

[Leo656]

Pretty much. One drink of water for every one alcoholic beverage. According to Hulk Hogan and many other American wrestlers who've spent a lot of time in Japan (including getting snackered every night while remaining highly functional during their stay there), that's how the notoriously drunken Japanese businessmen (including the terrible and deadly Yakuza!) get by despite their legendary alcohol intake. Equal balance of water to alcohol, or at least as much as possible.

Hiro Matsuda (who famously trained Hogan and many others) was famous for drinking at least two six-packs of beer every single night, then getting up at 5 or 6 in the morning and running the single most grueling wrestling dojo in the world at that time, for 6 to 8 hours per day, doing most of the "stretching" himself. Hogan once asked him, "Brother, how can you drink like this and train the way you do?" Matsuda replied, "This is why I have to train so hard... So I can drink like this!" :lol:

So yeah, exercise also helps. Also, probably 8 or 9 more "Brothers" were dropped in the original Hogan anecdote, but I'm quoting it as I heard it. :lol:

[Voltron]

Hm. Sometimes I need to ration myself.

I'm a closet hedonist. If there's an open bar, I'm going to be in bad shape. Not like "call an ambulance!" bad, but I will be having WAY too much.

How does this happen?

As for this one:

I was in Korea at the time, so it wasn't a HUGE country to get across. I was living in a small city towards the south of the country, and a bunch of my co-workers were heading up to Seoul for a night out. They have a mag-lev train, so it's only a couple hours to get there. Super cheap, too.

The drinks are also super cheap. And you can get it every where. Supermarkets, convenience stores, vending machines. . . I had a buddy get drunk at the DMZ, after they deliberately told us not to cause a stir.

Anyway, we'd been drinking a bit before we started hitting the bars. At the first bar, we started playing a drinking game. It was based around tempo and timing, and I decided to lose a couple rounds deliberately to just drink more.

But then the alcohol started to hit pretty hard and my reaction time got REALLY slow, and I just lost every round.

I woke up in a different bar to puke. I think I lost my overshirt and my belt there.

I woke up a second time playing a trivia game.

Finally, I woke up in my bed the next day. I was back home, safe and sound. I would have been LESS surprised had I woke up some place totally strange.

[IndigoErth]

That... is genuinely kinda scary.

[Voltron]

Yeah! I got REALLY lucky that night. :teek:

[Andrew NDB]

Vaping black market hiding in plain site:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/24/health/black-market-vapes/index.html

Btw, several months later and they still haven't linked non-black market vaping to all of those deaths.

[Andrew NDB]

So it's been like 6 months. Have any of the studies they were doing concluded that any deaths were the direct result of vaping in any non-counterfeit vape cases yet?

[LeonardoFromTMNT2003]

It's important to stay informed and cautious about the products we use, especially when it comes to vaping. The reports of vaping-related illnesses and deaths are concerning, and they highlight the need for more research and regulation in this area. It's always best to consult with health professionals and consider all risks when making choices about vaping or using any similar products.

[IMJ]

It's important to stay informed and cautious about the products we use, especially when it comes to vaping. The reports of vaping-related illnesses and deaths are concerning, and they highlight the need for more research and regulation in this area. It's always best to consult with health professionals and consider all risks when making choices about vaping or using any similar products.

Did you use ChatGPT to write this post, or what?

[Andrew NDB]

I repeat my last post. Except "three and a half years" and not 6 months.

Did you use ChatGPT to write this post, or what?

Right? I thought it was a Papenbrook post at first.

[IMJ]

Right? I thought it was a Papenbrook post at first.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Yeah she.....

eh.
Yeah. :lol:

[LegionareX]

In my own experience with vaping, these reports have made me more cautious and aware of the importance of understanding what's in the products I use. I've been careful about where I purchase my vaping products. I usually get them from https://nexussmoke.com/ because they have diverse options, and I trust their quality. My favorite is the elf bar, mainly for its variety of flavours.

[oldmanwinters]

Always thought it was trading "toasted organic death" for "electric artificial death," but I guess the 2nd-hand effects aren't quite so bad.

[Andrew NDB]

Always thought it was trading "toasted organic death" for "electric artificial death," but I guess the 2nd-hand effects aren't quite so bad.

There are no 2nd hand effects. Same as no one has even met anyone who has died from 2nd hand cigarette smoke.

[Mayhem]

Same as no one has even met anyone who has died from 2nd hand cigarette smoke.
*puts hand up*

There was also the very famous case here of the presenter Roy Castle dying from lung cancer having never smoked because he played in smoky mens clubs when he was younger.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/tragedy-roy-castle-died-lung-22618117

I will agree, the potential risks are likely overplayed however. Enough though of course to ban indoor smoking in restaurents etc.

[Barkworm]

There are no 2nd hand effects. Same as no one has even met anyone who has died from 2nd hand cigarette smoke.
Man, sometimes you post these things that are just… wrong.

[Andrew NDB]

*puts hand up*

There was also the very famous case here of the presenter Roy Castle dying from lung cancer having never smoked because he played in smoky mens clubs when he was younger.

Speculative. They can't know that for sure. The same way people get bone cancer who lived healthy lives, or get stomach cancer after a lifetime of veganism, testicular cancer out of nowhere, and so on and so on.

https://slate.com/technology/2017/02/secondhand-smoke-isnt-as-bad-as-we-thought.html

[Mayhem]

As someone who’s better half works in cancer research… 92% of lung cancers are triggered in people who smoke. That is an awful lot. While the news media link about Roy Castle I put above didn’t go into detail, mostly because it happened quite some time ago, at the actual time of it happening, it was mostly certainly reported that his illness had all the hallmarks, markers, and evidence that it was just like he had been smoking.

Mum died from lung cancer this year, and she quit 15 years ago. The damage done earlier in life never really goes away even after stopping. I’m going to tangent here and say the same is extremely likely to happen with a significant portion of COVID sufferers too in the future for the same reasons.

[Andrew NDB]

From smoking itself? Absolutely. It's a killer. 2nd hand smoke? The data is flawed and grossly misleading, as the article I posted chronicled. The same alarmists even tried to trot out "3rd hand smoke" a few years ago but they appear to have given up there. Or maybe they're still at it.

Sorry to hear about your mom. My dad died from what began as liver cancer... but he didn't even really drink or anything. He was a bit of a health nut for his last 15 years.

[LegionareX]

Yeah, this topic is tricky. I use vapes, too, mainly to help me stop smoking cigarettes. I stick to brands like relxths (https://relxths.com) because they have options with less nicotine, which is essential for me since I don’t want to replace one addiction with another.
As for the bans and the health worries, it’s tough. If there’s no clear proof that vaping caused these deaths, banning them right away seems a bit rushed. We need better research to understand what’s going on. Health is super important, and being careful is good, but we also need to make sure we’re not making quick decisions that might push people back to smoking. Let’s keep watching the research and choose wisely.

[Mayhem]

Think it's a piggyback off the increasing numbers of kids who are starting to vape who never had any interest in actual smoking. And from what I've been reading, some of the chemicals can have an effect on still developing lungs.

[Andrew NDB]

As for the bans and the health worries, it’s tough. If there’s no clear proof that vaping caused these deaths, banning them right away seems a bit rushed.

It really depends on your viewpoint. Do you believe in freedom? Alcohol can and will kill you if you just sit around drinking all day/month... should it be banned, then? Or should people be free to "damage" themselves as they see fit?