Mona Lisa to appear on Issue #101 in IDW's TMNT

[TigerClaw]

Sophie Campbell has recently tweeted that Mona Lisa will be debuting on Issue #101 of the IDW TMNT Comics. Check out her design.
https://twitter.com/mooncalfe1/status/1175153606712012802

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE77-VlX4AABTyF?format=jpg&name=small

[daggio]

I cant wait, besides her I'm willing to bet there will be more new characters post 100 just like post 50.

[TigerClaw]

I like this design. Its like they combined the original and 2k12 version. Also she's wearing pink just like in the original.

Fred Wolf

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/d/d3/Mona-Lisa.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081119220151

2k12

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/8/89/Tumblr_nx8h90r49D1uuxhjio2_1280.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151103180953

IDW

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/5/58/Mona_idw_profile.png/revision/latest?cb=20190921081339

[ChosenOne]

I particularly like that Campbell seems to have incorporated some of the suggestions she got right here at the forum into Mona Lisa's design.

[TigerClaw]

Here's a variant cover for issue 101 with Mona Lisa in it.
https://twitter.com/DustinWeaver12/status/1175501672430223360

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFA4iHmU8AAlMUg?format=jpg&name=small

[CyberCubed]

Sophie talked about Mona Lisa months ago before this reveal so it now seems like those were hints she would appear. Also made similar comments about Rahzar/Tokka, so they might show up next year too, or at least Rahzar.

[qt.bangerang]

Here's a variant cover for issue 101 with Mona Lisa in it.
https://twitter.com/DustinWeaver12/status/1175501672430223360

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFA4iHmU8AAlMUg?format=jpg&name=small

An albino baby turtle!! Although it would actually have pinkish skin and a yellow shell. Super excited about this, can't wait to find out its story...might have to change my little albino turtles name to match.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Sophie talked about Mona Lisa months ago before this reveal so it now seems like those were hints she would appear. Also made similar comments about Rahzar/Tokka, so they might show up next year too, or at least Rahzar.

We can only hope! We really need the big guy. Not so much Tokka, but I won't complain if he shows up, too...

[TigerClaw]

I'm gonna assume something happened in New York. and a lot of people turned into Mutants.

[ChosenOne]

An albino baby turtle!! Although it would actually have pinkish skin and a yellow shell.

Not if it's a leatherback, which I've theorized elsewhere around here.

[qt.bangerang]

Not if it's a leatherback, which I've theorized elsewhere around here.
The red eyes is what I was going with for it to be albino.

It could also be a diamondback terrapin but it wouldn't have red eyes.

[ChosenOne]

The red eyes is what I was going with for it to be albino.

It could also be a diamondback terrapin but it wouldn't have red eyes.

Oh, no, it's definitely albino, but it very much looks like a leatherback, what with that sunfloweer seed-like body, and explains the solid white color since an ordinary leatherblack would be solid black. Whereas a diamondback terrapin would have a more traditional-looking plastron, like that of the (other) Turtles.

[funatic]

Here's a variant cover for issue 101 with Mona Lisa in it.
https://twitter.com/DustinWeaver12/status/1175501672430223360

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFA4iHmU8AAlMUg?format=jpg&name=small

Oh man there's a whole lotta fun to talk about there. Albino bb aside, some sort of hedgehog mutant stalking them? Or maybe even the aforementioned Rahzar? "Mutant Town" eh? Is this where Mikey and Peter went in the second Ghostbusters crossover?

Also as ChosenOne said, honored that Sophie was working on Mona Lisa designs with us on the forums not so long ago! :tgrin:

[Ninjinister]

Welcome to three days ago, dude. (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=61882)

[lonewarrior20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFA4iHmU8AAlMUg?format=jpg&name=small

Had a thought for an alternate cover down the road if the rat king is involved. Do a homage/parody of lyaberinth. I can just see him holding the albino turtle and mona having to try and save the day.

[TigerClaw]

One thing I noticed about this new design. Is how casually Mona Lisa is dressed. Its as if she's not bothered that she's a mutant lizard.

She's probably someone who sees herself looking cool due to the mutation.

Some people aren't comfortable with there looks. But there mutation happens. And they see themselves looking cool and bad ass.

Look at Bebop and Rocksteady. They are cool with being mutants. Because to them. They feel stronger and see themselves as a pair of bad asses.

[lonewarrior20]

It'd be funny if when she would get mad her feather/hair would pop out of her scrunchi and look like a giant mane.

[corvus]

I love that this comic isn't obsessed with the status quo like damn marvel and dc

[AquaParade]

I love that this comic isn't obsessed with the status quo like damn marvel and dc

Yes, that is to be appreciated, for sure.

Hell, after not following comics, monthly, for over a decade, I got back into it with the initial Superior Spider-Man run. Believe it or not, by this time, I was naive enough to believe the Superior Spider-Man could be the status-quo for the next five or more years. I know how that sounds, but I wasn't up to date on Marvel's comic publishing techniques and they were selling the idea quite strongly in interviews.
So, yeah, it was exciting! "Here I am at the ground floor of an exciting turn in the history of Spider-Man! I can't wait to see how Ock develops from trash into a world-class hero!" I was picking up other Marvel comics alongside it, on my bi-weekly/monthly trips to the comicbook store, and enjoying most of those as well.

Then when Peter made his return a little over a year later, and things were essentially reverted back to the classic status-quo, the whole illusion really came crashing down for me. I remembered where I was and left. Stopped following Marvel comics monthly again for the next several years. Now I'm actually back to reading a couple, like Immortal Hulk and Hickman's X-Men. Both are excellent books, I'm glad to follow monthly. I guess, for me, the craft, storytelling, and art of a Marvel comic have to be absolutely 10/10 to combat the sense of nothing being permanent. That's a tall order in some ways.

[lonewarrior20]

I think the idw run has more female mutants now than all of the other series combined. Makes me happy to see them and know that they exist.

[corvus]

Yes, that is to be appreciated, for sure.

Now I'm actually back to reading a couple, like Immortal Hulk and Hickman's X-Men. Both are excellent books, I'm glad to follow monthly. I guess, for me, the craft, storytelling, and art of a Marvel comic have to be absolutely 10/10 to combat the sense of nothing being permanent. That's a tall order in some ways.

X-men has always been seemingly immune to that status quo crap probably cause it doesn't have a status quo. Whereas Spiderman is almost explicitly not allowed to grow as a character, and DC is even worse like why are Hal Jordan and Barry Allen still around? I think this is why i love tmnt and hellboy so much, there isnt a status quo or a floating timeline, characters grow and change, hell look at Hob.

[pferreira]

X-men has always been seemingly immune to that status quo crap probably cause it doesn't have a status quo. Whereas Spiderman is almost explicitly not allowed to grow as a character, and DC is even worse like why are Hal Jordan and Barry Allen still around? I think this is why i love tmnt and hellboy so much, there isnt a status quo or a floating timeline, characters grow and change, hell look at Hob.The Marvel and DC comics change but they are rebooted every five or so years. It's a way to keep everything fresh and exciting otherwise it at best feels tired and at worst ends up being one big continuity line. I'm not against that so much as my problem being the art in comics today looks boring and uninspiring.

[corvus]

The Marvel and DC comics change but they are rebooted every five or so years. It's a way to keep everything fresh and exciting otherwise it at best feels tired and at worst ends up being one big continuity line. I'm not against that so much as my problem being the art in comics today looks boring and uninspiring.

Marvel has never rebooted their continuity. Unless it's been retconned its canon which is most stuff, so it's still cannot that Charles Xavier lusted after teenage Jean Grey and that Matt Murdock has had his identity exposed like five times. In some ways it's worse than rebooting, we're given awful in-universe explanations like what quesada did to spiderman

[neatoman]

And it's also kind of difficult to even call what DC does "Reboots". It's more like they make stories about the multiverse getting broken and repaired in a way that makes the continuity conveniently simplified. It's more everything still happened in canon, it's just that after such a story it's just that going from point A to point H (noteworthy story to noteworthy story) no longer require B, C, D, E, F and G (lesser stories with minor impact). H is now relabeled C and B-G are replaced by a new B (a story in which the necessary set-up for H/new C are grafted onto).

[Zog The Magnificent]

Yeah, that was always the most confusing thing about DC. The in-universe reboots that make you constantly question what actually counts reletive to the new story. That's one thing I love about TMNT. Every version is a new version that requires absoulutely no knowledge of any other version.

[pferreira]

Marvel has never rebooted their continuity. Unless it's been retconned its canon which is most stuff, so it's still cannot that Charles Xavier lusted after teenage Jean Grey and that Matt Murdock has had his identity exposed like five times. In some ways it's worse than rebooting, we're given awful in-universe explanations like what quesada did to spidermanHuh? Haven't they rebooted Spider-Man like five times already?

[neatoman]

Huh? Haven't they rebooted Spider-Man like five times already?

No? Where did you get that idea? If you pick up the newest issue of Nick Spencers Spider-Man, the main character is indeed the same as Dan Slott's Spider-Man. Who in turn is the same character as Straczynski's, Mackie's, DeMatteis', Michilinie's, DeFalco's, Stern's, O'Neil's, Wolfman's, Wein's, Conway's and even Lee's Spider-Man. There are some resets to the status quo and retcons but the continuity is largely intact.

There are some alternate universe books and retellings but those don't really count as they haven't replaced the old continuity. USM might have lasted 11 years (if you don't count the parts with Miles) but it was published alongside the "real" Spider-Man books.

[pferreira]

No? Where did you get that idea? If you pick up the newest issue of Nick Spencers Spider-Man, the main character is indeed the same as Dan Slott's Spider-Man. Who in turn is the same character as Straczynski's, Mackie's, DeMatteis', Michilinie's, DeFalco's, Stern's, O'Neil's, Wolfman's, Wein's, Conway's and even Lee's Spider-Man. There are some resets to the status quo and retcons but the continuity is largely intact.
I remember the last Spider-Man graphic novels I read were from like 2006 where Peter and Mary-Jane were married. I just keep hearing they reboot Spider-Man in the comics every eight years or so and start with him as a kid in school.

[ChosenOne]

I just keep hearing they reboot Spider-Man in the comics every eight years or so and start with him as a kid in school.

Not really. Not literally, anyway, and the Ultimate Universe doesn't count.

[pferreira]

Not really. Not literally, anyway, and the Ultimate Universe doesn't count.So that means Peter is still married to Mary Jane and is an adult?

[ChosenOne]

So that means Peter is still married to Mary Jane and is an adult?

It means he's still an adult but not married to Mary Jane, though the current run seems to be setting them up as a couple again and their chemistry has been great. 616 Peter has never been de-aged, but previous attempts to send him back to high school, in a way, have included him being hired as a teacher.

[CyberCubed]

I wish we saw Mona Lisa in issue 99. I looked at every panel but her design isn’t in those pages.

[The Great Saiyaman]

I can't wait to read the story.

[CyberCubed]

Mona Lisa probably won't have any connection with Raph this series since Alopex exists here. You can't give Raph two love interests. :lol:

[TigerClaw]

Mona Lisa probably won't have any connection with Raph this series since Alopex exists here. You can't give Raph two love interests. :lol:
Maybe they can. But issue 101 is pairing Mona Lisa with Jennika.

[Sumac]

Its year 2019 - they can support polyamory!!

On the other hand, maybe they won't - it is too normal.

[TigerClaw]

Its year 2019 - they can support polyamory!!

On the other hand, maybe they won't - it is too normal.
I don't think Raph and Alopex displayed any romantic interest. Since they haven't been paired all the time.

They could pair this Mona Lisa with Raph to see what happens. We'll find out once #101 debuts. It will be interesting to see how the Turtles meet her.

[pferreira]

It means he's still an adult but not married to Mary Jane, though the current run seems to be setting them up as a couple again and their chemistry has been great. 616 Peter has never been de-aged, but previous attempts to send him back to high school, in a way, have included him being hired as a teacher.Like I said the last Spider-Man story I read was a trade paperback from 2004 or 2006 and Peter was married to MJ in that. I believe he was infected and died or something like that? Maybe I got confused because I read they were restarting the issue numbering again back to 1.

For Superman however I do know for a fact they reset the character back in the mid-80s. Not sure if Superman has been reset since then. Again I think the numbering has since gone back to 1.

[ChosenOne]

Like I said the last Spider-Man story I read was a trade paperback from 2004 or 2006 and Peter was married to MJ in that. I believe he was infected and died or something like that? Maybe I got confused because I read they were restarting the issue numbering again back to 1.

Sounds like "The Other" story arc. It's one thing to renumber, quite another to reboot completely. 616 Spider-Man has never been rebooted.

[Cloudrunner]

I don't think Raph and Alopex displayed any romantic interest. Since they haven't been paired all the time.


I mean he did say he loved her, even if he was goaded into it by Angel.

[The Great Saiyaman]

I mean he did say he loved her, even if he was goaded into it by Angel.

Indeed he did.
https://retconpunchdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/cynical-raph.jpg?w=584
https://66.media.tumblr.com/9065a2d51c75278ad3a740a38ec61bbe/tumblr_okdxqyfzST1qjw1rjo1_1280.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/b23f4861812ef3136652c32b2ef66b86/tumblr_okdxqyfzST1qjw1rjo2_540.jpg

[Cloudrunner]

Tigerclaw is partly right, though. That relationship could have used more "show, don't tell." That's why I really liked the two part Universe comic where the two infiltrate Null HQ together. Showed they have a good dynamic without having to explicitly be "romantic"

[Mutant Ninja Anole]

Raph and Alopex have certainly had a vibe of two people with a crush for awhile. Like during the North Hampton arc, the fight with Bebop and Rocksteady or when they got thrown into the chicken wire.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/8/83/3681194-alopex%2B14.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140819225825
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/a/ae/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-014.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141210224300
https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Alopex_(IDW)/Gallery?file=Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_040-014.jpg

Here is she is, defending Raph during one of his episodes
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/3/3f/Alopex_with_Raph_when_he_is_dealing_with_his_grief .png/revision/latest?cb=20150507174139

Plus there's several panels where Alopex is the one supporting Raph with a touch or hug.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/3/37/Teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-46-raph-alopex.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150819212850
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/e/eb/Death-of-donatello-128103.png/revision/latest?cb=20150319202406

Big Spoiler issue #100
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/7/7f/Splinter_dead.png/revision/latest?cb=20191211073727

(I wish I could find the last panel in issue 50 where Alopex is holding up an injured Raph but you get the idea)

I mean, it's small bits, but given her limited time on panel, a significant % of that time is spent furthering her relationship or signaling she feels close to Raph. So I don't think her and him having a romantic relationship comes out of nowhere.

[Cloudrunner]

Yeah I guess that's fair, she's always around to comfort him. They do the best they can with the time they had. I guess really it's just that conversation with Angel that was kinda off-putting. That's the part that they could have shown at some point. But all-in all they have shown enough to prove they're at least close.

[TigerClaw]

I found this other pic. It's another cover. You can see Mona Lisa in the background.

https://i1.wp.com/tmnt-ninjaturtles.com/assets/TMNT-101_Cover-RE-Big-Time-Collectibles_rich.jpg?fit=1104%2C1699&ssl=1

[ChosenOne]

I found this other pic. It's another cover. You can see Mona Lisa in the background.

https://i1.wp.com/tmnt-ninjaturtles.com/assets/TMNT-101_Cover-RE-Big-Time-Collectibles_rich.jpg?fit=1104%2C1699&ssl=1

Pizza gyoza, anyone?! :D

[TigerClaw]

Pizza gyoza, anyone?! :D
That's maybe Mona Lisa. I just don't know why she's sitting alone there.

[ChosenOne]

That's maybe Mona Lisa. I just don't know why she's sitting alone there.

Jennika seems to have some in front of her. I know I'm reading too much into a cover but maybe that's where they all first meet.

[TigerClaw]

Jennika seems to have some in front of her. I know I'm reading too much into a cover but maybe that's where they all first meet.
Maybe she goes all fangirl like when she sees the Turtles sitting on the other side.

[TigerClaw]

Now that Mona Lisa made her debut in this issue. I wonder what ya'll think of this version of the character?

I think this version of Mona Lisa is pretty good. They kept some of her origin from the original series.

This version of Mona Lisa still has a thing for Raph. She sees him as a Superhero. She only knows about him because she has seen him a lot from the distance. She thinks Alopex is cute. Which was the reason why she volunteered to help with that homeless shelter for Mutants.

I'm sure she will get to meet Raph in a future issue. It will be interesting to see the reaction from Raph when he meets Mona Lisa for the first time. I don't think it will be love at first sight considering he has feelings for Alopex.

[neatoman]

My impression is that we don't have much to go by yet. The most I can say about her is that I don't mind that she's clearly more inspired by the original depiction of the character than the Nickelodeon version (pretty sure the only thing taken from the Nick version is the color scheme). As of yet I'm not sure where she's going to go, for all we know she could be in like two more issues and completely forgotten after that.

[TigerClaw]

My impression is that we don't have much to go by yet. The most I can say about her is that I don't mind that she's clearly more inspired by the original depiction of the character than the Nickelodeon version (pretty sure the only thing taken from the Nick version is the color scheme). As of yet I'm not sure where she's going to go, for all we know she could be in like two more issues and completely forgotten after that.
Given how we now have Mutant Town. She can make some appearances from time to time. After all she's gonna be working at this Homeless Shelter for Mutants. Eventually they will come up with something that will result in her having some adventures with the Turtles. She doesn't have to appear in every issue. So her involvement depends on where the stories go.

[MikeandRaph87]

One thing that solicits emphasized was the Turtles will go their separate ways after Splinter's death. It gave the impression that they would at the arc's end. However, it appears that Old Hob's antics will bring them back together after having been a part in a six months period that was skipped over.

It is interesting to note that the EPF is put in charge of the mutagen bomb clean up considering it would seem that John Bishop's corrupt practices would have been exposed with his apparent death. Would we see Ravenwood taking a role in the next year or would she be more likely have a place in the 2020 annual that takes place in the 6 month gap?

[neatoman]

Given how we now have Mutant Town. She can make some appearances from time to time. After all she's gonna be working at this Homeless Shelter for Mutants. Eventually they will come up with something that will result in her having some adventures with the Turtles. She doesn't have to appear in every issue. So her involvement depends on where the stories go.

Or she could turn out to be lying about her backstory and is really a salamandrian spy sent by Ch'rell to find recruits for a conquest of earth. My point is that we haven't had her around for nearly long enough to speculate.