Playstation 5

[Andrew NDB]

More details, and release date is targeting 2020 holidays.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/more-ps5-details-holiday-2020-launch/

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Sounds great in every respect, especially how its backwards compatible with ps4 games.

What if it was backwards compatible with every ps1, ps2 and ps3 game as well? That would be sick.

Microsoft will need to seriously step up their game, if they don't wanna get brutally outmatched in sales like they were with the Xbox One.

[Andrew NDB]

I swear I remember reading articles a year ago or so that the PS5 was set to be backwards compatible with PS1-PS4... but now I can't find them.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I swear I remember reading articles a year ago or so that the PS5 was set to be backwards compatible with PS1-PS4... but now I can't find them.

Atleast for ps1 and ps2, there will be zero issues since those consoles are so old that most home computers can emulate their games perfectly nowadays.

The real issue will be emulating ps3 games straight out of the disc, something the ps4 couldn't do because of the ps3 games running on complicated architecture.

[Leo656]

I just wish they'd be backwards-compatible AND region-free. Lots of Japanese PS1 and PS2 games I want to get but modded systems are expensive.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Boring console name if it just will continue like that, Playstation 5, Playstation 6 and so on.

[frank_one]

Boring console name if it just will continue like that, Playstation 5, Playstation 6 and so on.Would you prefer something like Super Playstation, Mega Playstation, New Playstation...?

[Andrew NDB]

Boring console name if it just will continue like that, Playstation 5, Playstation 6 and so on.

wtf is wrong with that? It's the first console where you always know exactly what generation of the system you're on.

[AquaParade]

Boring console name if it just will continue like that, Playstation 5, Playstation 6 and so on.

On one hand, it is fun to see what Nintendo comes up with, and I'd geek out at a "Playstation Mega" or something, as corny as it sounds.

But I think the numbered path they've taken is solid. Clean, classy, and clear. Much better than the mess Microsoft ended up in with the confusing X-Box names.

[oldmanwinters]

Boring console name if it just will continue like that, Playstation 5, Playstation 6 and so on.

We're not that far away from the zombifying PS9!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv9_AlimsiQ

[neatoman]

We're not that far away from the zombifying PS9!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv9_AlimsiQ

Wouldn't the theoretical release of PS9 be closer to 2048 than 2078?

[IMJ]

The backwards compatibility thing would be huge for me. But after what they pulled with the PS3, I don't trust Sony anymore to maintain it on the PS5. And honestly, I don't do so much gaming at all anymore. But if I could easily throw in an old game I loved for an hour or so, I'd be much more inclined to get into a modern game here or there.

[oldmanwinters]

Boring console name if it just will continue like that, Playstation 5, Playstation 6 and so on.

Wouldn't the theoretical release of PS9 be closer to 2048 than 2078?

I think the companies wanted to market their new systems as 10-year generations at the front end. For the PS2, that worked out about right.

The Sega CD, on the other hand...
http://i.imgur.com/iNvsZcKh.jpg (https://imgur.com/iNvsZcK)

[Ninjinister]

I just wish they'd be backwards-compatible AND region-free. Lots of Japanese PS1 and PS2 games I want to get but modded systems are expensive.

Absolutely this.

[turtle1237]

I think the companies wanted to market their new systems as 10-year generations at the front end. For the PS2, that worked out about right.

The Sega CD, on the other hand...
http://i.imgur.com/iNvsZcKh.jpg (https://imgur.com/iNvsZcK)

Yeah the Sega CD, I had 1 back in the day lol. It started to collection dust once I got the ps1 though.

[The Deadman]

PS5 Specs Revealed
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps5-specs-revealed/1100-6474902/

[Andrew NDB]

I admit, I'm way behind on CPU speeds or how to read them. I've sort of given up. In the 90s, it was pretty simple... 8086, 286, 386, 486, Pentium 90, Pentium 200, then we just jumped to raw MHz. Like, "I have a 1.2 GHz processor." Then later, "I have a dual-core 3.0 GHz processor."

I have no idea how to read "8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.5GHz." Does that mean there's 2 cores within 8 processors or that there's ... and collectively the whole thing is only 3.5 GHz, or is that a multiplier? Like, each one of the 8 is 3.5 GHz? How are we supposed to read that and what does it even mean anymore?

[Cure]

Zen 2 is the type of core, 8 is how many there are. 3.5 ghz is the frequency each core can go up to.

[frank_one]

So... is it powerful enough?

[CyberCubed]

The PS5 is probably going to be $499 at the minimum so there’s no way I am buying it anytime soon. Assuming it’s not delayed to early 2021 at this point anyway.

Between Doom, Resident Evil 3, Final Fantasy 7, Last of Us Part II, Ghosts of Tsushima and Cyberpunk 2077 the rest of the year is stacked anyway. And that’s not even counting whatever unnannounced games were planned for E3.

[Cure]

So... is it powerful enough?

Sure, but compared to the Series X, it's a little weaker.

[Andrew NDB]

Does anyone here own one?

[neatoman]

So are the other parts of the FFVII remake going to come out for PS5 instead of PS4?

[Andrew NDB]

So are the other parts of the FFVII remake going to come out for PS5 instead of PS4?

Undoubtedly. With maybe a PS5 version of the one already released.

[neatoman]

Oh, and another thing, is the 100GB file size the estimated size of the full game or just part 1 that was released last year? Because that is part of the reason I haven't gotten it yet. If it gets released on PS5 and we get a 10 TB version of the PS5, that might be a little less annoying. As of right now, the inernal storage seems to only be about 600 GB, which would mean that if each part is 100 GB then that's the only game you'll be playing until you can install another HDD. I had this problem with the PS4, a few games down the line and I had to get another drive.

I really wish the games could just run off the discs themselves. I get that there are certain problems with that but Nintendo's cartidge solution for the Switch works fine. I know Nintendo refuses to make cartridges larger than 64 GB and this means some games like the Bioshock collection will require some partial installation, but for most games this isn't a problem, so the PS5 could easily benefit from such a solution. There really isn't a reason the system couldn't both use discs and cartridges, discs for larger games and cartridges for smaller ones. Hell, I know you can put digital downloads onto flash drives for most systems and play off them, effectively making pseudo-cartridges.

[Andrew NDB]

I see it being touted that the controller of the PS5 is the biggest deal because it can create tension in the trigger buttons? Yeah, right. In 2 years I doubt you'll even see any games taking advantage of that.

[Turo602]

I see it being touted that the controller of the PS5 is the biggest deal because it can create tension in the trigger buttons? Yeah, right. In 2 years I doubt you'll even see any games taking advantage of that.

I haven't used it myself but I agree. I hear it's really cool, but even the PS4 had some unique control features that I experienced with Tearaway Unfolded and I don't recall them ever really being implemented aside from that. The Switch has that whole HD rumble thing that I think only 1-2 Switch ever used.

[Andrew NDB]

Replaced my old non-4K Toshiba 65" yesterday with a 70" 4K Samsung. Tomorrow I'll grab a PS5 and see what all the hooplah is about.

I am pleased to see it's backwards compatible with the PSVR. Apparently it doesn't help the graphics, but the loading times are cut down by like 3/4s.

[Andrew NDB]

I got my PS5! Definitely not used to meeting dudes in parking lots of police stations, so that was a first (had to get it off a dude from Craigs List).

https://i.ibb.co/HxqLZYp/161319262-10159383610440719-1235853046942702547-o.jpg

I actually had no idea I had it upside down there until later. Got the disc version, of course. I didn't intend to get the Miles Morales game, though I'd heard things about how nice the PS5 controller is with the game. The dude I bought the PS5 from took $50 from me for the game, so that wasn't bad. Especially when I noticed that the game includes the original Spider-Man (remastered) game from PS4, which I'd never played.

[Sumac]

Congratz!
Happy playing!

[CyberCubed]

I probably won't get a PS5 till the Fall. There still aren't any real exclusives besides Demon Souls and I can wait on that. Even Resident Evil 8 is still coming to PS4. Ratchet is a big game but I'm not paying $70 for it anyway so I can wait.

[Andrew NDB]

I probably won't get a PS5 till the Fall. There still aren't any real exclusives besides Demon Souls and I can wait on that. Even Resident Evil 8 is still coming to PS4. Ratchet is a big game but I'm not paying $70 for it anyway so I can wait.

For now PS5 does have the exclusive RE8 demo. Which I played through... it's very short. Oddly it didn't do much with the "haptics" of the controller.

The new Miles Morales game is pretty wow. Only played a tiny bit before wanting to wait and try the first PS4 remastered one that is still downloading.

The Astro game it comes with was a little lame. And I've played through both of the PSVR ones on PS4. The "haptics" on the controller felt OK... nothing nearly as groundbreaking as what I'd been reading. Mostly it just made me sad this wasn't a new VR game where I can look around with the headset and all.

[Leo656]

Knowing that it's not backwards-compatible, my urgency to get one is way deep in the sh*tter now. I already have a dozen consoles set up and never even bothered with a PS4 because there were only like three or four exclusive games for it I ever wanted to play. I can safely say that it'll probably be a few years before there's enough games out for it to make it a Must-Buy for me.

If nothing else, it'll be cheaper and more available by then.

[sdp]

Mostly it just made me sad this wasn't a new VR game where I can look around with the headset and all.

If it's VR you want you should just get an Oculus Quest 2, who knows what sony has in store with the PSVR 2 but it's still tethered and most developers are now making quest games. PSVR had a good run but I don't know if Sony will be able to keep getting anything but ports from here on out.

I see it being touted that the controller of the PS5 is the biggest deal because it can create tension in the trigger buttons? Yeah, right. In 2 years I doubt you'll even see any games taking advantage of that.

Haptic feedback is great, it's also on Switch basically and when developers actually use it which is a lot of the time, it's difficult to go back to just normal rumble. Counting more controllers now have it, haptic feedback will become the norm.

[Andrew NDB]

Knowing that it's not backwards-compatible, my urgency to get one is way deep in the sh*tter now. I already have a dozen consoles set up and never even bothered with a PS4 because there were only like three or four exclusive games for it I ever wanted to play. I can safely say that it'll probably be a few years before there's enough games out for it to make it a Must-Buy for me.

If nothing else, it'll be cheaper and more available by then.

Not backwards compatible with what? It's definitely backwards compatible with all PS4 games. I've spent a night just fussing over that. And they give you even less HD room than on the PS4.

I remember the rumors about backwards compatibility with PS1-3 games straight out but I always doubted that. Probably were always fake rumors.

[Leo656]

Anything pre-PS4. For me that's a deal-breaker. As I said, every PS4 game besides God of War, Spider-Man and FF7 Remake that I'd ever want to play, also came out for Xbox One which I already owned, which is why I never bought a PS4. Three games does not justify a console purchase when I already own a ton of them. I have a massive PS1, PS2, and PS3 collection, though and it's already annoying that I can't play PS2 games on my model of PS3.

If PS5 can play PS4 games, that's good, it eliminates the need for me to ever buy a PS4 then. But there will need to be more than 4 or 5 decent exclusive games in either PS4 or PS5 format before I buy one, if it won't run the hundreds of PS games I already own. For the price, it just isn't worth it at this time. Hell, for the price I would expect if not demand FULL backwards-compatibility in the first place. But if that's not feasible, then I would gladly pay more for a version of the console that IS fully backwards-compatible.

I mean if they can come out with stripped-down digital-only versions of these consoles for more "casual" gamers at a lower price point, they can certainly create a more high-end model at a higher price point that plays "everything". Even if that's "niche" there are plenty of people who would still buy it. That's what they did with the PS3, initially. I get that they can't mass-produce those or even make them for perpetuity, but it's annoying that they don't bother at all.

If they produced a fully backwards-compatible PS5, that would be on my Christmas list for this year. As is, I can wait five years, I'll live. It will take that long for the exclusives to pile up, anyway, and I never buy a console unless there's at least 20 games on it that I absolutely need to play. Even counting PS4 exclusives, we're a long way off from that happening.

[CyberCubed]

Most PS3 games got "remastered" editions on PS4, so a lot of the big PS3 games are playable now on PS4/PS5....you just have to re-buy them. Although not every big PS3 game got ported, even big games like Red Dead Redemption 1 are still stuck on PS3 and there's no way to play it on PS4/PS5.

Which is odd...you would have thought Rockstar would remaster Red Dead Redemption since the story is a direct sequel to 2, yet...it's stuck on PS3.

[sdp]

PS4 and PS5 are both the same architecture so that's why most games are backwards compatible without much issue, same with Xbox. For previous consoles they would need to get emulated which Microsoft has invested in doing it but Sony doesn't care to invest on backwards compatibility, but they did buy a streaming platform a few years ago which I think they call the service PS Now, so most likely any PS1/2/3 gaming will be done through streaming in that service if Sony ever implements it

[Leo656]

Yes, Cubed, I absolutely want to re-buy things I already own because they have a shiny new coat of paint. Like you, I'm a very rich man after all. I can buy the same game I already own two or even three times over and not even feel it.

OR... maybe I already bought the game once and don't care about the new coat of paint, and maybe I'm not all that rich. "Maybe".

[CyberCubed]

Most remasters are dirt cheap now. $20 or less brand new.

[Leo656]

Most remasters are dirt cheap now. $20 or less brand new.

Not the point. I have action figures to buy. Ones I DON'T already own.

[Cure]

Knowing that it's not backwards-compatible, my urgency to get one is way deep in the sh*tter now.

Hey, my bad, I said it doesn't play PS3 games, but it is backwards compatible with PS4. Literally only like four PS4 games or something won't work.

[Leo656]

Hey, my bad, I said it doesn't play PS3 games, but it is backwards compatible with PS4. Literally only like four PS4 games or something won't work.

That's okay, I was able to hash the rest out. Appreciate your input.

[Andrew NDB]

There's a remaster of like everything except Rockstar games. Like GTA 4 and RD1.

Also, I will say, my favorite feature about the PS5: I can bring my PS4 upstairs to my bedroom and leave my PS5 in the living room. While the wife is playing Red Dead 2 forever on her XBOX One, I can go upstairs and -- check this -- I can connect to my PS5 from my PS4 and play it using a PS4 controller.

[Andrew NDB]

Jesus, you guys see this?

https://www.darkhorizons.com/gamestop-ups-used-ps5-pros-to-1399/

[sdp]

it makes me feel like a Caveman telling stories of dinosaurs and humans living together when I talk to my grandkids about how consoles used to get cheaper over time instead of more expensive.

[IMJ]

Hard to believe the PS5 has six years on it now. I'm still on PS4. Unless something strange happens it will probably be the last new game system I own.

The funny thing is that I still view the PS3 as the best video game system ever made - it was a full-on media machine. In so many ways it was the true "does everything and does it well' media center.


Comparison with Other PlayStation Consoles

PlayStation Console Release Year Estimated Lifetime / Current Sales
PlayStation 2 2000 ~160 million
PlayStation 4 2013 117.2 million
PlayStation (Original) 1994 102.49 million
PlayStation 5 2020 ~92.3 – 95.3 million
PlayStation 3 2006 87.4 million
PlayStation Portable (PSP) 2004 80 million

[Andrew NDB]

The funny thing is that I still view the PS3 as the best video game system ever made - it was a full-on media machine. In so many ways it was the true "does everything and does it well' media center.

It was the first thing I've ever digitally "bought" movies on.