Is Tyler Durden from Fight Club a hero?

[Egon1982]

I mean he's considered to be anti-PC and doesn't give a F and all.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean he's considered to be anti-PC and doesn't give a F and all.

But also an anarchist and an "eat the rich" sort.

[IMJ]

This is crazy to see this thread randomly appear here - especially to this audience. I love Fight Club. I've got a nice Pahluniak collection, actually.

Tyler Durden is not a hero. Not by any means. The character is a protagonist born of duality who serves as a point of conflict, but also as a catalyst for action by the narrator.

All of Tyler's actions are generally subversive - there is nothing heroic about them. However, along the way he delivers some sense of meaning to the office employee generation, which grants him a certain "heroic charm". But academically, no he is not a hero at all.

Instead, he is the unbridled action man that we all, in some small shape or another, wish we could be to escape much of the structured, rigid-establishment-like-nature of society.

Given what millenials are doing now, I'd say that Fight Club was significantly more relevant to my generation than it would ever be to millienials. They aren't the same people. If they "get it", it's likely only through their lens of perceived superiority rather than actual empathy for the subject matter. The narrative of Fight Club can definitely be cross-generational, but I'd argue adamantly that you had to be there to really have that story shake your DNA.

[Candy Kappa]

LMAO, no he's not a hero.

Looking past that he's the split personality of the Narrator/Joe/Jack, Tyler is a pathetic creature who preaches self thinking, freedom and anti-consumerism but still made his own little cult who follow his every command. Anyone seeing Tyler as the hero of the Fight Club franchise completely missed the point.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm no expert in these things but wouldn't Tyler be considered now like... basically an Antifa extremist? No?

[neatoman]

Hey, so does anyone but me here know about the retcon of Tyler's nature? As of the comic, Tyler is no longer a mere manifestation of the main character's frustration but a mental disorder passed down gentically. That's the reason the main character's father had kids with with multiple other women, he wanted to make sure there was another kid with the Tyler Durden disorder.

[IMJ]

I'm no expert in these things but wouldn't Tyler be considered now like... basically an Antifa extremist? No?

Eh. Maybe only in the misguided youth area of things. I mean antifa pretend that they have a political message, but I think it's obvious that this is not true. They are just out doing rotten crap and most of them couldn't really tell you why if you knocked one out and dragged him to your basement to torture him. :teek:

-ahem-

Um. Tyler represented a social movement for men though, I suppose.


Hey, so does anyone but me here know about the retcon of Tyler's nature? As of the comic, Tyler is no longer a mere manifestation of the main character's frustration but a mental disorder passed down gentically. That's the reason the main character's father had kids with with multiple other women, he wanted to make sure there was another kid with the Tyler Durden disorder.

This is a cool updated. I haven't gotten around to the Dark Horse series yet.

[Egon1982]

LMAO, no he's not a hero.

Looking past that he's the split personality of the Narrator/Joe/Jack, Tyler is a pathetic creature who preaches self thinking, freedom and anti-consumerism but still made his own little cult who follow his every command. Anyone seeing Tyler as the hero of the Fight Club franchise completely missed the point.

This is crazy to see this thread randomly appear here - especially to this audience. I love Fight Club. I've got a nice Pahluniak collection, actually.

Tyler Durden is not a hero. Not by any means. The character is a protagonist born of duality who serves as a point of conflict, but also as a catalyst for action by the narrator.

All of Tyler's actions are generally subversive - there is nothing heroic about them. However, along the way he delivers some sense of meaning to the office employee generation, which grants him a certain "heroic charm". But academically, no he is not a hero at all.

Instead, he is the unbridled action man that we all, in some small shape or another, wish we could be to escape much of the structured, rigid-establishment-like-nature of society.

Given what millenials are doing now, I'd say that Fight Club was significantly more relevant to my generation than it would ever be to millienials. They aren't the same people. If they "get it", it's likely only through their lens of perceived superiority rather than actual empathy for the subject matter. The narrative of Fight Club can definitely be cross-generational, but I'd argue adamantly that you had to be there to really have that story shake your DNA.

But also an anarchist and an "eat the rich" sort.

Do you think he's a monster? and do you think he gave that poor clerk he threatened with a gun to his gun and stole his license for "sacrifce" PTSD?

[ProphetofGanja]

I mean antifa pretend that they have a political message, but I think it's obvious that this is not true. They are just out doing rotten crap and most of them couldn't really tell you why if you knocked one out and dragged him to your basement to torture him. :teek:



“Antifa” literally means “anti-fascist”, as in, “opposed to fascism”. Fascism is defined as “a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy”. So yeah I’d say they’re doing it for politics reasons but I’m sure you’d disagree, Mr. Kidnap-and-Torture.

[Andrew NDB]

“Antifa” literally means “anti-fascist”, as in, “opposed to fascism”.

What it means and what they are are two very different things.

[Leo656]

Yeah, they can call themselves anything they want but at the end of the day they still advocate for state-sponsored thought control - i.e., "Certain statements or even thoughts should be illegal and/or forbidden, and people who espouse them should be punished by threats and physical violence, preemptively if possible". Which is fascist. It's merely fascism they can agree with because the target is "mean people", or anyone they disagree with about anything, really.

It's like how PETA says they're all about "protecting animals" when the reality is they're just sh*t-disturbers who do a lot more harm than good. As are MOST "crusaders" of any sort. Well-intentioned miscreants at best.

[IMJ]

“Antifa” literally means “anti-fascist”, as in, “opposed to fascism”. Fascism is defined as “a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy”. So yeah I’d say they’re doing it for politics reasons but I’m sure you’d disagree, Mr. Kidnap-and-Torture.

Yeah, yeah I understand the nomenclature. -waves hand at legitimizing behavior by definition- I don't give them as much credit as you do, it seems.

A significant amount of those people aren't behind a political message. They are just anarchists or assholes. It's like Lord of the Flies in those circles. You have to look at the psychology a little more realistically I think, regardless of rigid definition. So yeah, I disagree.

[ProphetofGanja]

True, there’s always gonna be people who co-opt a movement when they have no real interest in anything other than policing the actions of others but I try to give most people the benefit of the doubt. I guess we all become jaded in different ways tho, c’est la vie

[Egon1982]

Do you think him putting guns to people's heads then stealing their ID cards and threatening to kill them if they don't do something else gave those people even that clerk serious PTSD and true fear? and is that makes Tyler a terrifying maniac?

[Andrew NDB]

It just kind of hit me that Ed Norton wasn't actually Tyler Durden when he wasn't in Brad Pitt mode. And according to Fight Club 2, that name is Sebastian.

[IMJ]

It just kind of hit me that Ed Norton wasn't actually Tyler Durden when he wasn't in Brad Pitt mode. And according to Fight Club 2, that name is Sebastian.

Did they give the 'Narrator" a name? Wow! I've been meaning to read those comics for years, but never got around to it...

[Andrew NDB]

Did they give the 'Narrator" a name?

Yeah, right off the bat in Fight Club 2. And it's treated like no big deal.

[ProphetofGanja]

there's a Fight Club 2??

[Andrew NDB]

there's a Fight Club 2??

In comic form, written by the author of the original book. And a Fight Club 3. Like 10+ issues each. Either series could easily be a movie.

[triplexxx]

Should they decide to make a movie sequel, they'll do it "In memory of Meat Loaf" most likely, and hopefully they'll do it well.

[Andrew NDB]

Should they decide to make a movie sequel, they'll do it "In memory of Meat Loaf" most likely, and hopefully they'll do it well.

I think Fight Club 2 will happen. As a film, with Fincher directing and Norton back in character. But it will be about 5 years from now when Fincher is waxing poetic. And by that point Meat Loaf will be too far in the rear view for them to do that, sadly.

[IMJ]

I think Fight Club 2 will happen. As a film, with Fincher directing and Norton back in character. But it will be about 5 years from now when Fincher is waxing poetic. And by that point Meat Loaf will be too far in the rear view for them to do that, sadly.

I don't think they should do it. This generation will never understand Fight Club anyway. They'll label it as something evil through their puritan lens of "Power Rangers and narcissism" lives.

Fight Club was purely a relevant Gen X experience that few outside of that generation can grasp for the statements it was really making.