Is this series cancelled than? [Archive]

Damo

11-16-2019, 03:02 PM

The live action series has NOT been greenlit.

NO, Nic hasn't agreed to a new show yet.

They're strongly considering a live action show while moving the remaining episodes of RotTMNT to Nicktoons. At night.

They greenlit the second season (and Netflix movie) before getting a good picture of how well RotTMNT would perform, and now they're not liking how it did. ~50 eps and a Netflix special isn't shabby at all, but yeah, it sure looks like it got the kiss of death.

CyberCubed

11-16-2019, 03:53 PM

They're strongly considering a live action show while moving the remaining episodes of RotTMNT to Nicktoons. At night.

They greenlit the second season (and Netflix movie) before getting a good picture of how well RotTMNT would perform, and now they're not liking how it did. ~50 eps and a Netflix special isn't shabby at all, but yeah, it sure looks like it got the kiss of death.

There is no live action series in the works, it's all speculation and rumors.

Autbot_Benz

11-16-2019, 04:09 PM

God I hope so I want another 2012 like show dark and gritty with a little bit of comedy. Not full fledged Teen Titans go humor and making the turtles dumb goofballs.

PApagreg

11-16-2019, 04:18 PM

God I hope so I want another 2012 like show dark and gritty with a little bit of comedy. Not full fledged Teen Titans go humor and making the turtles dumb goofballs.

Yeah dark and gritty like the episode where bigfoot had a crush on Donatello and the 2k12 turtles never acted like dumb goofballs(especially Mikey)

CyberCubed

11-16-2019, 04:22 PM

Yeah dark and gritty like the episode where bigfoot had a crush on Donatello and the 2k12 turtles never acted like dumb goofballs(especially Mikey)

There's no point in signaling out a filler ep like the Bigfoot ep and saying that accurately represents the series.

PApagreg

11-16-2019, 04:23 PM

There's no point in signaling out a filler ep like the Bigfoot ep and saying that accurately represents the series.

Why not its still an episode and there are tons more episodes like that.

CyberCubed

11-16-2019, 04:27 PM

Why not its still an episode and there are tons more episodes like that.

Fillers are known to be more silly/comedic. Do you do that with the anime you watch? You signal out fillers and tell people they accurately represent the series?

TommyT

11-16-2019, 04:29 PM

There's no point in signaling out a filler ep like the Bigfoot ep and saying that accurately represents the series.

That papgreg is getting obnoxious. It's like he hates TMNT.

Why is everyone mis-quoting the news, and acting like the live action thing is a sure bet? It's really not. I wish i could say how I know, because, I know, but suffice it to say, there is zero interest in going dark and gritty with TMNT, now or anytime soon. They aren't thinking in those terms at all.

PApagreg

11-16-2019, 04:34 PM

Fillers are known to be more silly/comedic. Do you do that with the anime you watch? You signal out fillers and tell people they accurately represent the series?

Filler means its not in the source material so when people say it doesn't represent the series it's unless the creator says its canon.

Western adaptions takes a few liberties to the point its more or less its own thing so unless the creators say it non-canon its not considered filler.

That papgreg is getting obnoxious. It's like he hates TMNT..
Didn't Jester tell you to stop with "elitist garbage"

TommyT

11-16-2019, 04:46 PM

Filler means its not in the source material so when people say it doesn't represent the series it's unless the creator says its canon.

Western adaptions takes a few liberties to the point its more or less its own thing so unless the creators say it non-canon its not considered filler.

Didn't Jester tell you to stop with "elitist garbage"

Not yet. And I'm not being an elitist. You are trolling, and it should stop.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

11-17-2019, 06:48 AM

God I hope so I want another 2012 like show dark and gritty with a little bit of comedy. Not full fledged Teen Titans go humor and making the turtles dumb goofballs.

As we all know, it feels like all darker takes on TMNT (early Fred Wolf, Fred Wolf Red Sky, late Archie, original 4 Kids, early Nickelodeon ideas, later Nickelodeon seasons) are doomed to fail. No matter if it is because of parents complaining over too much violence, or toy sales declining or whatever.

Ninjinister

11-17-2019, 06:58 AM

What with a new Netflix series officially confirmed and that its not connected to this series. Does that mean the end of this series?

I don't think you know what "confirmed" means.

Anarchistguy

11-17-2019, 08:24 AM

As we all know, it feels like all darker takes on TMNT (early Fred Wolf, Fred Wolf Red Sky, late Archie, original 4 Kids, early Nickelodeon ideas, later Nickelodeon seasons) are doomed to fail. No matter if it is because of parents complaining over too much violence, or toy sales declining or whatever.

This is why we can't have nice things anymore. We might as well go back to the "dead era" of TMNT of 1997-2002

IndigoErth

11-17-2019, 12:38 PM

How to do a darker one without being doomed via complaint -- aim it at older audiences, of course. If anyone is dumb enough to let their 6-year-old watch a show intended for older teens and adults, that is on them. (And those modern complaining parents are within the generations of most of us here, so what the heck people. :tconfuse:)

But if they can go and throw 'Rise' into a time slot at 10:30 at night for whatever the heck reason, then, um, they could do that with a darker or otherwise more serious series someday that isn't for little kids...? Or, I dunno, take advantage of that Viacom/CBS merger and air it on CBS instead of Nick?

I just don't get how there are all these potential options on the table that they just ignore. The makers of collectables know and gladly acknowledge that there is an older market that is always glad to see new TMNT merchandise happening. DC knows it and made that TMNT/Batman crossover and quickly got figures out there for sale. Nick/Viacom people...? Yeah, they seem for the most part to be doing their best to pretend NOT to know it.

Okay, granted Nick surely had to give DC the okay to do what they wanted with that crossover, it's a start, but just proof of what's possible if they can be bothered to let it be a bit separate from Nick.

I'm just saying...another more serious 2D cartoon series on weekends or prime time hours aired on CBS would be incredible to see. (Or, you know, Netflix, but that isn't as fun to discuss as weekly eps are.)

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

11-17-2019, 12:54 PM

(Or, you know, Netflix, but that isn't as fun to discuss as weekly eps are.)

Weekly? The 2012–2017 Nickelodeon series could take months, who felt like years, even during seasons. :)

IndigoErth

11-17-2019, 01:12 PM

Yes, well... weekly when it would actually come back for a few weeks? *shrug*

Getting back to a weekly show (one that at least keeps its time slot and shows a repeat when it isn't new) would be a nice concept to get back to. One can dream, right?

Poweranimals

11-17-2019, 03:22 PM

What with a new Netflix series officially confirmed and that its not connected to this series.

Wait. What?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

11-17-2019, 04:46 PM

Netflix, or any other online streaming service, is probably what we may expect in the future.

Leofan26

11-17-2019, 04:59 PM

Wait. What?

What? It popped up on my google page that we'd be getting a live action turtles reboot next, not saying I'd be happy about that. I'd rather the next turtles series return to a 2003 type series, in my opinion that was the darkest turtle series we had and gave us character development for all the turtles too, well some would argue about Mikey I guess meh.

sdp

11-28-2019, 12:15 PM

If this gets cancelled we'll be getting a comedic oriented reboot.

MikeandRaph87

11-28-2019, 12:16 PM

If this gets cancelled we'll be getting a comedic oriented reboot.

Isn't this what Rise is?

IndigoErth

11-28-2019, 12:35 PM

PApagreg

11-28-2019, 12:37 PM

IndigoErth

11-28-2019, 12:39 PM

Do you get paid to counter or debate other people's every thought/opinion?

PApagreg

11-28-2019, 12:45 PM

Do you get paid to counter or debate other people's every thought/opinion?

How is me asking a question considered counter or debate.

TommyT

11-28-2019, 01:50 PM

I hope they don't. The so-called comedy of cartoons like this today already seems too forced, and if they try to do slapstick like the '87 series it's probably inevitable that it's going to seem too forced, too... The comedy needs to feel natural and organic, without being based on how annoying a character can try to be.

He’s Papatroll. He’s trying to fight with you.

As I said in the other thread, if you’re hoping for a specific change, voicing that here is a good idea. We should bd focused on what we want, not what we don’t.

PApagreg

11-28-2019, 10:23 PM

He’s Papatroll. He’s trying to fight with you.

For a guy who has been here for less than 6 months you sure are comfortable with giving out labels to people.

Ashwolf

11-28-2019, 10:43 PM

Getting back to a weekly show (one that at least keeps its time slot and shows a repeat when it isn't new) would be a nice concept to get back to. One can dream, right?

That would be really, really nice but sadly I don't see it happening anytime soon. The sponge is nick's baby and though I'm giving rise a shot and watching the episodes, I see it as nick's attempt at slapping the sponge all over tmnt in a bit of a lame way. Granted, there r a few decent moments in it but still, blah overall. :ohwell:

Best we can hope for right now is a Batman/tmnt movie sequel.

TommyT

11-28-2019, 11:04 PM

I'm ignoring Papatrolls nonsense in favor of urging the real fans here, to come together, so we can finally get the responsible, sober and necessary TMNT, based on source, not rejected jokes from blown Ip's.

The man-babies who want to watch cartoons AIMED at kids have had a stranglehold on Turtles for long enough. Let's set things right.

PApagreg

11-28-2019, 11:14 PM

sdp

11-29-2019, 04:59 PM

When will we know this is cancelled for real? Moved to Nicktoons, toyline being something different, it seems pretty much confirmed and they rarely announce cancellations like these ones, they just don't renew them or mention the new show instead. I'd love to have a final season, at the very least so writers could go even crazier with episodes knowing they're already cancelled.

We'll we get a show based on the OT or even a sequel to it since we're getting a toyline based on the classic toyline? Or could it be a show based on the actual classic toyline and not the OT? That would be a dream of mine. Are we just going to have a toyline without a show? We'll we have to wait until toyfair to get a better idea?

IndigoErth

11-29-2019, 05:57 PM

May depend on how soon Playmates even wants to put out the old toys. If next year, then I doubt it's associated with a show. For now I'm assuming they may just want to do another rerelease of some oldie remakes like they did for a short period via Toys R Us a while ago. If that seemed to sell well then I'm not surprised they might want to do it again, if that's what they're doing.

Though with the news on the end of the 'Rise' toys and possible rerelease of the old ones, I'm wondering now if that "Retro" Turtles July 2020 Little Golden Book (https://www.amazon.com/Teenage-Mutant-Turtles-Little-Golden/dp/0593179374/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=ninja+turtles&qid=1574209908&s=books&sr=1-3) I recently saw listed on Amazon is associated with refocusing in that direction in general. ("Nickelodeon's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles star in an all-new Little Golden Book that features the classic art style from the 1980s.") But those books are often inspired by show episodes, so if it's a whole new story... who knows?

edit: Although if Playmates puts out any figures that were canceled back in the day, now that would be cool.

TommyT

11-29-2019, 06:11 PM

CBS will have a say in what happens next, for better or worse. Netflix too. Don’t expect anything to be discussed until Spring 2020, maybe even SDCC. They might be waiting for moves from the feature film folks, to take the temperature of fans on that direction, but as I’ve been saying, they are looking actively for what to do next.

miru

11-30-2019, 02:04 PM

It's sad this show met the same fate as its predecessor; the Next Mutation. Though, despite Jessica Jacklyn and the good animation, it might be what it deserved. It already seems to have vanished from toy shelves. Let's hope it gets to tell the story it wanted to...

Autbot_Benz

11-30-2019, 04:46 PM

It's sad this show met the same fate as its predecessor; the Next Mutation.

no not really good riddance to **** turtle shows

Ninja Tiptup

12-02-2019, 05:30 AM

I was watching the Toys That Made Us episode on TMNT and there were people getting interviewed saying they think Rise will be the biggest turtles yet. Well those statements didn't age well.

Its unfortunate that Rise hasn't found more success. They probably should have let TMNT rest for a few years before rebooting it again. Now maybe they'll hold off on starting something immediately after Rise ends. It's playing out disturbingly similar to The Next Mutation. Popular series ends after a few years in decline, gets immediately rebooted with drastic changes and doesn't find broad appeal. Rise is CONSIDERABLY better than TNM but that's a lesson they could have learned not only from that but also from Fast Forward coming off (and continuing) the 2003 series. Perhaps the next series will be more like a second coming of the 2003 series. More than likely they'll try to bring it in line with the next film series, if the next film series is successful.

52 half hours isn't a terrible run by any means but I'd hate to see Rise end before it has even been on the air for 2 years.

Andrew NDB

12-02-2019, 11:10 AM

Its unfortunate that Rise hasn't found more success. They probably should have let TMNT rest for a few years before rebooting it again.

You really think waiting a few years and then dropping "Rise of the TMNT" would have made one iota in difference in terms of reception?

IMJ

12-02-2019, 11:53 AM

You really think waiting a few years and then dropping "Rise of the TMNT" would have made one iota in difference in terms of reception?

It can be argued that 95% of the time (not 100%....), stating "franchise fatigue" to justify failure is one of two things: punishment born of anger, or bandwagon-joining born of naivety.

For example, when studio execs do it it can be easily explained by their anger at failure of a project. What they really mean is to employ high context punishment to the fanbase - "if you don't like what the studio gives you, we will take it away from you". But when a fan goes this route I can't help but think how naive that can be - someone hears a new hype phrase, so they "try it out".

That remaining 5% is when "franchise fatigue" might be accurate in some manner. But normally "franchise fatigue" is meant to reinforce keeping something juuuuust scarce enough that a fandom will ingest it at the drop of a hat, no matter what the quality is.

Putting more time in between Rise and '12 most likely wouldn't have helped when you have a hardcore fanbase that largely rejects an idea for any given specific reason.

sdp

12-02-2019, 05:37 PM

A break would've definitely helped, this show had everything against it, the whole fact that it's trying something new was already going to alienate fans, but the fact that 2012 was cancelled to make room for this show meant those fans were going to be angry. Add a few influencers to hate on it for either of those reasons above and all stuff will be negative.

If toy sales died down during 2012 that means it needed a small break not just more turtles immediately, so the kids didn't care to pick up more turtles. Even DC learned that Batman show after Batman show wasn't working and the last Batman cartoon which was CG got cancelled shortly after it started airing. They really should've just reinvented 2012 with a last season a la red sky/Fast Forward and have that show end, and reboot in a couple of years.

Now what? Turtles are basically dead and if the new movie sucks that'll cement it further, it'll be a few years before we get anything which might be a good idea, not complaining. But the point is if TMNT had had a small break after 2012 it likely would've been more popular just in terms of reception, "the turtles are back" instead of "they were never gone but we cancelled the show you liked for these".

I also think Rise should've been bolder, if it was going to try new things then go all out, the show didn't try to do anything too crazy. I much would've preferred many of the different takes we got in the Ninja Turtles summer shorts (https://miscrave.com/articles/tmnt-summer-shorts/).

Ninja Tiptup

12-03-2019, 04:05 AM

Franchise fatigue is by no means the only problem that faced Rise from the get go. They rebooted it because 2012 was losing the interest of the kids but the real question is, were kids ever really interested in Rise? Set aside what adult fans think of it and consider the intended audience. Adults can help the toy sales for sure but if kids don't want the toys then they're not gonna sell like the 2012 line initially did.

Regarding franchise fatigue the Batman example is a good comparison because kids didn't like Beware the Batman and having it replace Brave and the Bold just didn't work. They haven't made a Batman show for kids since, though they've made sure to include Batman in Teen Titans Go regularly. Spider-Man has had a lot of cartoons as well and it was painful for Spectacular Spider-Man and Avengers: EMH to make way for Ultimate Spider-Man and Avengers Assemble and adult fans hated the change but kids still wanted more Spider-Man so USM lasted 5 seasons. Then they rebooted Spider-Man again and to far less successful results. Then there's Star Wars which had Rebels following up The Clone Wars to great success but nobody seems to care about the current show. Power Ranger's success differs from season to season as well.

TMNT tends to be successful for several years before winding down. It never really goes away but with the exception of Rise and TNM the franchise tends to rest production for a handful of years between series. Maybe it needs the breaks while some franchises arguably don't but on the other hand an incarnation can last over 100 episodes if kids are still watching it and the toys are still selling. The fact that Rise toys are already donezo after just about a year says they definitely botched that end of things. Action figures aren't the hot commodity they once were but there's still plenty of figure lines that sell.

So I don't know, people weren't gonna like Rise much if at all more if it didn't immediately replace 2012 but they probably should have at least waited for the current young fans of 2012 to be entirely out of the target demographic before they rebooted the franchise. And I also agree that the changes made for Rise feel like a half-measure and they could have and probably should have changed up a lot more. Also the title never sat well with me.

shredder orokusaki

12-03-2019, 12:02 PM

That iam back and Draxum is dead evrything is seems to becoming normal. Sooner or later Utroms will come with real mutagen and then Bebop Rocksteady and Tiger claw will appear, Stockman will create a formula that wil make him a adult and start working for me and evrything wil become as the IDW, 2003 2012 ans 1987 series . But if Rise ends now then the best it can happen is the next series to be based on IDW as IDW series will also end soon.

CyberCubed

12-03-2019, 05:38 PM

If Season 2 is the last season, the show still made 52 episodes, so it's not like it didn't have a decent sized run for it's new concept. Plus it's getting a movie on netflix too, so there's that as well. Even the Nick 2012 series didn't get a movie, which is what I'm hoping for with this netflix deal and Ciro giving them pitches to revive the series.

Andrew NDB

12-03-2019, 05:41 PM

Plus it's getting a movie on netflix too, so there's that as well.

We don't know what that is yet. It's probably like how the "Out of the Shadows" movie stole its name from the unrelated video game and how "Rise of the TMNT" itself stole its title from the unrelated first episode of the 2012 show. They just really like certain titles and don't care if they're from something else.

IndigoErth

12-03-2019, 06:00 PM

Ninja Tiptup

12-06-2019, 02:52 AM

Well, they've already stated that the Netflix thing is supposed to tie the two seasons together, so it probably is for this series. However, with season 2 having already started... :tconfuse:

Though if it's on hiatus now, I'm assuming it may hit before it returns?

You don't get much more tied together than having the season finale lead directly into the next season premiere.

IndigoErth

12-06-2019, 09:13 AM

Yeah, exactly.

While there haven't been any major updates since the film was announced in February, ComicBook.com (https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/08/27/rise-of-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-movie-netflix-spoilers-nickelodeon/) got some early details from the show's creative team at last month's San Diego Comic-Con. While the team didn't reveal any major plot points or spoilers, they hinted at the film's unique role in bridging the gap between Rise's first and second seasons.
So at this point I'm not sure what is being bridged unless it isn't about the present arc at this point in time. :tconfuse: Maybe it's more of a prequel bridging past and present...? I mean, those last few eps finally hinted, but only just barely, at Draxum's past that got him to this point. As well has Mayhem's involvement and whoever those Wizard of Oz talking heads were.