If you could permanently erase a part of TMNT history, what would it be?

[Prowler]

Let's say you had the power to go back in time and erase something from TMNT history forever. What would it be? Think about of the possible effect it would have on the future of the property, btw. The butterfly of chaos theory, etc.

I'd erase the sale to Nick/Viacom, which meant the property would either die after Turtles Forever, get sold to somebody else, or just stay in dormant status forever. Erasing that buy would mean not having most of the stuff we got this decade, but I'd be OK with that. The Nick show didn't interest me and Bay Turtles can die in a fire, so I'd love to go back to a world where that crap didn't exist.

Perhaps someone like Marvel, DC or *shudders* Disney would have bought the TMNT property if Nick/Viacom had not, who knows. I'd be willing to take such risk, though.

What about you?

[CyberCubed]

No. The Viacom sale was the best thing to happen to the franchise, and we got the most memorable TMNT universes this decade than before (again not counting the horrible nostril Turtles from the Michael Bay movies)

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I agree with you Prowler, I would also completely erase tmnt after the Nick/Viacom sale, but more out of curiosity to see how the property is handled rather than because of my distaste for any one version.

I absolutely love the Nick toon and Rise, think the first PD film is bad, the second one is mediocre and I am indifferent to the IDW comics altogether, but I am curious to see what could've been done with tmnt differently if these versions never existed because of Nick never buying the property in the first place.

If what we get out of another company buying tmnt in this alternate reality is complete garbage, then I wouldn't even be mad at all because Turtles Forever was basically the perfect sendoff to the franchise, and you can basically get away with pretending that nothing was made after that film.

[Andrew NDB]

Micro? Wipe out the sale. Peter carries on with things.

Macro? Wipe out the Fred Wolf show and Turtlemania.

[Metalwolf]

I would erase Turtles Forever. I hate comic-y multiverse crap, and maybe it might have allowed for a standalone Mirage movie or a standalone FW movie done with full attention dedicated to either without using them as a cheap nostalgia gimmick.

[Andrew NDB]

I would erase Turtles Forever. I hate comic-y multiverse crap, and maybe it might have allowed for a standalone Mirage movie or a standalone FW movie done with full attention dedicated to either without using them as a cheap nostalgia gimmick.

They were literally going to do an animated adaptation of TMNT Vol. 1, #1 until Peter was "talked into" the idea of Turtles Forever. So yeah, the removal of Turtles Forever would virtually guarantee that.

[Zachatello00]

Ooo! Fun question!

I don't know that I'd "erase" Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation. There were some things I enjoyed about that. I would have instead significantly tweaked it. Maybe I'm okay with coming right out and saying I'd erase Venus DeMilo.

I haven't read any of the comics with the Jennika character. From what I understand, fans actually are really digging it, but in just hearing about that, I got some pretty "Venusy" vibes. I can't hate on it (and I'm not, by the way) since I haven't read it, but I mean, the Venus thing was just... ew.

I like the idea of a live action turtles series, and NM had some potential for 1998, but I just couldn't with Venus.

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe I'm okay with coming right out and saying I'd erase Venus DeMilo.

NT:TNM's footprint on... well, anything is so small, I really wouldn't even bother. Venus or not, nobody cared about NT:TNM. Not even kids.

[Zachatello00]

You're not wrong. But I wonder if it could have had a bigger footprint with better direction.

[d_osborn]

Viacom sale-- I'm curious what would have happened with the John Fusco-scripted film.

[Andrew NDB]

Viacom sale-- I'm curious what would have happened with the John Fusco-scripted film.

There's no guarantee it would have seen the light of day, sale or no sale. But removing the sale from the equation would improve its chances by 100%!

I'd honestly be happy to just read it at this point, seeing what the hubbub was about. Someone should leak it.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Secret of the Ooze (as it was finally produced), because it removed the extraterrestrial origin of the mutagen in the original film series.

[Leo656]

I'm tempted to say the Nick/Viacom sale, because that's the root cause of everything bad we've gotten since or ever will get from now on. BUT, who knows what might have happened otherwise. Disney probably would have gotten it and we'd probably be in even worse shape than we already are. Tough to say.

So with that uncertainty factored in, the one thing I can say I'd absolutely erase are the BayTurtles movies. Those things did absolutely no good on this Earth.

[Andrew NDB]

BUT, who knows what might have happened otherwise. Disney probably would have gotten it and we'd probably be in even worse shape than we already are. Tough to say.

It's true... Peter would have continued to be open to listening to offers from big companies. Eventually Disney would have gotten around to it.

[sdp]

I'd say viacom sale but if not likely another worse company like Warner/Disney could've gotten their hands on it since Laird would've sold.

So I'll just say Pixel Dan.

[Andrew NDB]

How about... "erase Peter Laird's willingness to ever sell TMNT"? I think that would cover it.

[IndigoErth]

Maybe the Viacom sale as you all have suggested. IF Nick continues to want to go in not so fantastic directions with it. (But the willingness to allow that Batman vs TMNT movie is at least hopeful for what they're willing to allow in the future.)

Otherwise, for better or for worse, I don't think I'd erase any of it. Even the things that didn't turn out so great at least serve a purpose of being an example of what to maybe try to avoid later.

[MikeandRaph87]

Venus, Image, perhaps the Power Rangers crossover, yeah, the latter because it was the final straw with Power Rangers which was my secondary fandom as Batman is for me today. It was the Turbo replacements not the original six and Venus was present. The turtles were brainwashed and made to look bad and the paranoid prick that was the Red Ranger was proven right. 21 years later I get my 90s' kids dream team up not a joke that spit on the TMNT. It was the last we would see of the TMNT for five years too.

[MikeandRaph87]

Secret of the Ooze (as it was finally produced), because it removed the extraterrestrial origin of the mutagen in the original film series.

You know, I have to agree here. It may be smaller scale to some of what we have posted, but I like the idea of seeing Professor Jordan Perry reveal to the audience that he is a disguise for an utrom. I read it was scraped to avoid confusion with Krang. I may have been a pre-schooler then but I knew the difference in the films and the cartoon and Archie's TMNT Adventures take so with three concurrent versions if it was clearly stated of a race which Krang may be a part of, but is a whole species I could tell the difference as young as i was. Did this even get to script stage? Shredder dropping a pier on the five of them in a murder-suicide attempt and not surviving after surviving the garbage truck dive was a stupid direction. Made the mutation rather pointless.

[Andrew NDB]

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[MikeandRaph87]

I knew when I typed it that you would not like reading that, but differences of opinion is what makes the world go round and keeps the franchise active. Its not exactly a popular version however like any incarnation it has its fans.

[Autbot_Benz]

Erase Rise Of The TMNT The Next Mutation and Bayturtles from TMNT History.

[Leofan26]

While Rise is slowly improving over time I'd erase it from life. Some idiot thought fans liked Leo for being a leader and only that. I loved the 2003 and 2012 versions but Rise I don't understand the staff's thinking at all.

[Wildcat]

I’m gonna say nothing.

Everything that gets made in a long running franchise, good bad and in between makes it all more interesting. It gives it a unique history.

You have different things and versions to look back on or barrow from and it all adds to the lore of characters. Also for posterity.

What’s with everyone against Disney getting the turtles? They could probably make an awesome cinematic universe. Plus the theme park stuff.

[PApagreg]

Eh probably none of them, TMNT was always an interesting franchise because of its numerous of incarnations from the Mirage to the OVAs, to the Next Mutation to the 2007 movie to the Bay Turtles so erasing anything feels kinda stupid since you can pick and choose which one you like and seeing how fast this franchise moves your least favorites are going to end quickly. I mean don't get me wrong there are numerous of times where I wished an incarnation improved on something cough cough 2012 cough cough but flat out erasing something feels kinda stupid.

What’s with everyone against Disney getting the turtles? They could probably make an awesome cinematic universe. Plus the theme park stuff.


Because monopolies are bad.

[Leo656]

Also, most of their output is vapid sh*t for the little kids and the nostalgia-obsessed.

Some people think the FW cartoon is fluff. But it's Shakespeare compared to whatever Disney would slap together if they had the brand.

But yeah, also monopolies. But also, it just wouldn't be a good fit. And a "TMNT Cinematic Universe" where Bebop and Rocksteady would inevitably have their own spin-off series of 5 or 6 movies while the Turtles get pushed further and further into the background would be horrible. Basically, everything Disney does as part of their entire business model would be terrible for TMNT.

...The same is also true for Nick/Viacom, but... Too late now.

[snake]

Whatever the chain of events were that led to Turtles 3. I would love to be a fly on the wall in the production meetings for that film just to see how it devolved into what we got.

[Wildcat]

To be honest I still have not seen any of the Marvel Cinematic Universe yet because I’ve never really been into those characters but I wish that was applied to the TMNT.

The MCU is clearly more than kids movies.

[Andrew NDB]

Whatever the chain of events were that led to Turtles 3. I would love to be a fly on the wall in the production meetings for that film just to see how it devolved into what we got.

That and not 2? 2 was the turning point, from which things never recovered. The only thing wrong with 3 was an overuse of slapstick and sh**ty costumes.

[Ninjinister]

Honestly, nothing. There is no light without the dark.

[Ninja Tiptup]

Look, I don't hate The Next Mutation for what its worth but if its existence could be sacrificed so we could avoid the wedge it became between Eastman and Laird, then toss it into the abyss.

Otherwise, Turtle Tunes and We Wish You a Turtle Christmas are first on the chopping block. :tgrin:

[Prowler]

NT:TNM's footprint on... well, anything is so small, I really wouldn't even bother. Venus or not, nobody cared about NT:TNM. Not even kids.

Yeah, let TNM be. It came out in 1997 and it didn't even get a second season. The Turtlemania boom ended around 1992-1993 or so.

[snake]

That and not 2? 2 was the turning point, from which things never recovered. The only thing wrong with 3 was an overuse of slapstick and sh**ty costumes.

You see, I understand the thought process behind SOTO. Tone down the less kid friendly aspects of the first film and throw in more cartoon garbage to sell toys. Still, it resembled what most people would expect from a Turtles film. There was even that Utrom twist that was nearly in the film, and would have logically directed the story of the next installment. Why they thought kids would be more interested in seeing a boring ass story in Feudal Japan instead of Dimension X is beyond me. It's not like budget was an issue. Turtles 3 hurt the franchise's chances of getting another film for years.

[Icebot]

I don’t know if I’d erase anything unless it means I could redo it all over again, like with Turtles Forever I’d remake it to show continuity from the Fred wolf show and have their original actors do the voices.

[wpugh2424]

NM would be what I would erase, that series is just plain awful. I thought rise was going to replace that, but the more I watch that series the more tolerable I am of it. It has some charm, although, not my idea of what tmnt should be by any means

[CyberCubed]

It's not like budget was an issue. Turtles 3 hurt the franchise's chances of getting another film for years.

By 1993 Turtlemania was dying down either way, and Power Rangers overtook it in popularity. Even if we got a great movie, it would have still not made a difference. And then the cartoon ended in 1996.

Then by 1998 Pokemon would have killed whatever TMNT was left at the time, so it's probably a good thing TMNT was already dead when the Pokemon craze was at its highest between 1998-2001 or so.

[mikey0]

By 1993 Turtlemania was dying down either way, and Power Rangers overtook it in popularity. Even if we got a great movie, it would have still not made a difference. And then the cartoon ended in 1996.

Then by 1998 Pokemon would have killed whatever TMNT was left at the time, so it's probably a good thing TMNT was already dead when the Pokemon craze was at its highest between 1998-2001 or so.

TMNT was a craze at the turn of the 1990s (in the year 1990, specifically).

Power Rangers really started to take over in early 1994.

Pokèmon was a craze in the year 1999.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

TMNT was a craze at the turn of the 1990s (in the year 1990, specifically).

Power Rangers really started to take over in early 1994.

Pokèmon was a craze in the year 1999.

I recall reading a mid 1992 toy commercial in a video game magazine, advertising Toxic Crusaders and thiking.

Is this the franchise that will take over from TMNT? Just like TMNT once took over from He-Man and Transformers.

[mikey0]

I recall reading a mid 1992 toy commercial in a video game magazine, advertising Toxic Crusaders and thiking.

Is this the franchise that will take over from TMNT? Just like TMNT once took over from He-Man and Transformers.

In 1992, Super Soakers, Hasbro WWF action figures, Sonic the Hedgehog, and all things The Uncanny X-Men were starting to take over from TMNT. The Barney craze was the largest phenomenon to occur in 1992 and last into 1993.

The rest of the Toxic Crusaders should have been pictured with Toxie more in newspaper articles and magazines like that 1991 issue of Boy’s Life. From what I remember, a stock image of Toxie was used to represent the whole toy line. That worked with Raphael from 1988 to 1990 or 1991, because the Mirage Comics TMNT were being advertised everywhere from the first TMNT NES game to video game magazine covers. A casual shopper would have to visit the video rental store to know where the Toxic Crusaders came from and all three of The Toxic Avenger movies were either rated R or unrated.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Hasbro WWF action figures.

Playmates could have tried to tackle that professional wrestling wave by relasing TMNT figures with a Stump Asteroid theme.

[mikey0]

Playmates could have tried to tackle that by relasing TMNT figures with a Stump Asteroid professional wrestling theme.

I think Playmates figured that they should not go in the direction of a Turtle Wrestlers sub-wave due to the cases with Shell Slammin’ Mike not selling well in late 1991, so Playmates chose to focus on the popularity of Treasure Trolls, The Universal Monsters, and all of the animated properties that received action figure treatment in 1992 and 1993.

Not producing every supporting character from issue 7 of the Archie Comics TMNT Adventures was definitely a missed opportunity.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I think Playmates figured that they should not go in the direction of a Turtle Wrestlers sub-wave due to the cases with Shell Slammin’ Mike not selling well in late 1991, so Playmates chose to focus on the popularity of Treasure Trolls, The Universal Monsters, and all of the animated properties that received action figure treatment in 1992 and 1993.

Not producing every supporting character from issue 7 of the Archie Comics TMNT Adventures was definitely a missed opportunity.

Some popular toys of 1992

http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1992toys.html

https://gunaxin.com/greatest-toys-1992

And 1993

http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1993toys.html

However, it mistakes the Fort Bravo as it was released already in 1988, not 1992

https://www.playmobil.de/fort-bravo/3773-A.html

[Andrew NDB]

Not producing every supporting character from issue 7 of the Archie Comics TMNT Adventures was definitely a missed opportunity.

10 year old me would have been delighted with that.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Dimension X

Not necessarily Dimension X. It could have been the Theta Galaxy (even if I know that name wasn't there until the 4 Kids Series), with the Utrom Homeworld and maybe also the Triceraton Homeworlds.

[mikey0]

Some popular toys of 1992

http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1992toys.html

https://gunaxin.com/greatest-toys-1992

And 1993

http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1993toys.html

However, it mistakes the Fort Bravo as it was released already in 1988, not 1992

https://www.playmobil.de/fort-bravo/3773-A.html

Everything is not there in those pages. Items like the Dakin Barney dolls, Super Soaker 200, different Troll dolls made by Russ and Ace Novelty, G.I. Joe Hall of Fame dolls, Star Trek The Next Generation figures by Playmates, Disney’s Aladdin figures by Mattel, SEGA CD, and Beauty and the Beast toys by Mattel.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-01-17-vw-2204-story.html%3f_amp=true

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-12-19-fi-2069-story.html%3f_amp=true

[mikey0]

10 year old me would have been delighted with that.

The Hasbro WWF figures were never high (top 3) on any of the holiday toy lists in the early to mid 90s for there to be a wrestling themed TMNT sub-wave with the Archie Comics original characters to be in.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Everything is not there in those pages. Items like the Dakin Barney dolls, Super Soaker 200, different Troll dolls made by Russ and Ace Novelty, G.I. Joe Hall of Fame dolls, Star Trek The Next Generation figures by Playmates, Disney’s Aladdin figures by Mattel, SEGA CD, and Beauty and the Beast toys by Mattel.

Also, those websites don't mention Mighty Max (1993).

[mikey0]

Also, those websites don't mention Mighty Max (1993).

It’s much harder to find toy surveys from the year 1993 than it is for the toys of 1989 to 1992. Mighty Max from Blue Bird was not a top 5 toy during the holiday seasons of 1993 to 1994 or 1995 in the US, but it was a hit boys toy line in the way that Polly Pocket was girls from 1990 into the rest of the 90s.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-12-04-fi-63857-story.html%3f_amp=true

[Dejablue]

Ok seriously people make threads like this because they wanna start ****. :lol:

But in all honesty I don't want to erase any of it. Sure there are pieces of TMNT that I don't like or care about but somebody else does.

[Leo656]

Prowler is by far the least sh*t-disturbing person here.

I mean sure, he's Portuguese, but let's not hold that against him. Other than that he's a really great guy.

I can say for a fact that he's just picking peoples' brains and trying to start conversation. Try not to read too much into things or ascribe ulterior motives where none exist. Thanks.

[Dejablue]

Prowler is by far the least sh*t-disturbing person here.

I mean sure, he's Portuguese, but let's not hold that against him. Other than that he's a really great guy.

I can say for a fact that he's just picking peoples' brains and trying to start conversation. Try not to read too much into things or ascribe ulterior motives where none exist. Thanks.


I speak to prowler outside of the forum He is the most devious man you will ever meet.

[Leo656]

I doubt it. You're presently talking to a guy who's had dinner with Kevin Nash.

[TommyT]

Micro? Wipe out the sale. Peter carries on with things.

Macro? Wipe out the Fred Wolf show and Turtlemania.

If you wiped out turtlemania, this board doesn't exist, and TMNT dies in 1988.

[mikey0]

TMNT fans had Turtlemania ‘90 to thank for 90s toy scalpers, large TMNT toy displays in stores, empty toy shelves, toys on reserve and layaway, upset parents, long lines at stores, DIY TMNT action figure necklaces, basic and sub-waves with turtle variants, and the mention of TMNT everywhere. The original Playmates toy line was easier to collect from the summer of 1988 to the spring of 1989, but Turtlemania ‘90 made finding rare and uncommon basic wave characters worse than it was in even late 1989.

With the exception of the FW cartoon characters, the 1990 TMNT movie sold the 1st and 3rd (Casey Jones wave) basic wave figures better than the 1987 FW mini-series and 1988 FW syndicated series.

[Dejablue]

TMNT fans had Turtlemania ‘90 to thank for 90s toy scalpers, large TMNT toy displays in stores, empty toy shelves, toys on reserve and layaway, upset parents, long lines at stores, and the mention of TMNT everywhere. The original Playmates toy line was easier to collect from the summer of 1988 to the spring of 1989, but Turtlemania ‘90 made finding rare and uncommon basic wave characters worse than it was in even late 1989.

With the exception of the FW cartoon characters, the 1990 TMNT movie sold the 1st and 3rd (Casey Jones wave) basic wave figures better than the 1987 FW mini-series and 1988 FW syndicated series.

Where do you get this info?? :teek:

[mikey0]

Where do you get this info?? :teek:

Memory. It actually happened. I was there.

https://i0.wp.com/tmnt-ninjaturtles.com/assets/TMNT-Scrapbook_Page_08.jpg?ssl=1

1990 was the ultimate year for TMNT (the very peak of the franchise). The 1990 film changed everything! People tend to forget that fact.

[ABrown]

I suppose if I absolutely HAD to erase somthing from TMNT history, it would be the Next Mutation series. It wasn't very well liked, it didn't last very long, and removing it would have minimal impact on the franchise.

[mikey0]

As a casual fan of TMNT, I would erase everything from The Coming Out of Their Shells Tour to the present. TMNT 2 SOTO was fun to watch and very much a product of its time, but the 1984 Mirage Studios comic book, 1988 FW syndicated cartoon, 1990 movie, and 1988 Playmates toy line are what most people know the Turtles for.

By marking August of 1990 as when TMNT jumped the shark for me, the cool plastic Burger King Collector Cups from July of 1990 are in the safe zone. The release of the TMNT Collector Cups perfectly coincided with the ongoing Turtlemania and the first 3 basic waves (ends with the Casey Jones wave) of the original Playmates toy line.

[neatoman]

Out of the Shadows, **** that movie. Very few movies legitemately piss me off and Out of the Shadows take the top spot in that tiny crowd. I will never quite understand how you can make a sequel to a movie everyone complained about, just to end up with an even worse movie....

[frank_one]

I would erase Laird and Eastman splitting, maybe? I don't know.

[Donnie]

I would erase IDW's "Donatello is dead" nonsense arc/campaign.

[AquaParade]

It sort of depends on how the vacuum would be filled.

On one hand, I'd like to erase the first Platinum Dunes film. But that is assuming that some other studio would get the job done around that time.

There are other, more pivotal moments to mess around with in the history of TMNT, but this was really the perfect opportunity to bring TMNT back into the spotlight in a big way. Audiences were ready to take it seriously, the technology was there, etc. It was a big waste of potential.

[Powder]

It sort of depends on how the vacuum would be filled.

On one hand, I'd like to erase the first Platinum Dunes film. But that is assuming that some other studio would get the job done around that time.

There are other, more pivotal moments to mess around with in the history of TMNT, but this was really the perfect opportunity to bring TMNT back into the spotlight in a big way. Audiences were ready to take it seriously, the technology was there, etc. It was a big waste of potential.

This, so much.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

It’s much harder to find toy surveys from the year 1993 than it is for the toys of 1989 to 1992. Mighty Max from Blue Bird was not a top 5 toy during the holiday seasons of 1993 to 1994 or 1995 in the US, but it was a hit boys toy line in the way that Polly Pocket was girls from 1990 into the rest of the 90s.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-12-04-fi-63857-story.html%3f_amp=true

The Los Angeles Times must have been stuck in 1989 or 1990. While there still were TMNT action figures in 1993, they weren't the hippest thing that Christmas.

[mikey0]

The Los Angeles Times must have been stuck in 1989 or 1990. While there still were TMNT action figures in 1993, they weren't the hippest thing that Christmas.

TMNT was only a fad in 1989. The TMNT craze (Turtlemania) happened in 1990.

The Deluxe Talkboy by Tiger Electronics was the hippest thing in 1993, but TMNT did not leave all of the best selling toys of the holiday lists until 1995. The original Playmates toy line sub-waves with the turtle variants were selling quite well with some younger Generation XYers and Yers, until Beanie Babies, Toy Story, MMPR, Spawn toys, and the Virtual Boy for the SNES took over.

[909 Turtle Fan]

Bay movie Splinter! He’s hard to look at cause he’s so freakin ugly, even for a mutated rat.

Also the 2k12 mystic episode where Fishface says to Raphael, “ I’m going to give you bass to mouth”. I find that disturbing.

[AquaParade]

Bay movie Splinter! He’s hard to look at cause he’s so freakin ugly, even for a mutated rat.

Also the 2k12 mystic episode where Fishface says to Raphael, “ I’m going to give you bass to mouth”. I find that disturbing.

Lmao. Nice.

[AT-Man]

Also the 2k12 mystic episode where Fishface says to Raphael, “ I’m going to give you bass to mouth”. I find that disturbing.

That's amazing and worth saving for future generations.

I'd remove the original Shredder action figure, if we got a better one instead.

[Warhorse]

Ultimately, I wish I could erase Newline caving into soccer mom's demands to make the turtles more kiddy friendly. This was the TMNT's chance to shed that and become closer to the comics. Instead, we get a sequel with a new April because parents thought the first April was too sexy, and the Turtles were barely allowed to use their weapons. I dare say, it took the 2k3 show to before we got something with some meat back in the game.

[ABrown]

we get a sequel with a new April because parents thought the first April was too sexy

Too sexy? I mean nothing against Judith Hoag, but Paige Turco is like infinitely sexier than her. Heck, I'd take Paige Turco NOW over Megan Fox.

[Rooish]

I would erase IDW's "Donatello is dead" nonsense arc/campaign.

That's a good one. And Image "killing" Donatello too. Why is it always Donatello?

So this is really a hard decision. I know that the Fred Wolf series forever ruined TMNT from being an adult franchise. But myself and so many others would never have heard of them otherwise. So I don't know if I can erase it. I for one actually find the multicoloured bandanas aesthetically pleasing and appropriate to the Turtles' personalities, although I'm embarrassed to say it.

Maybe... maybe the Secret of the Ooze, TMNT 3, Out of their Shells, Next Mutation era? I loved SOTO as a kid but even I thought Out of their Shells was pretty bad, and my parents took me to it and I was so hyped. But I guess the franchise became even more kiddified at this point. So I guess that sucked?

Or the sale to Viacom in general, but I do like a couple things that came out of it: the IDW series, although it doesn't pack the emotional punch of some of the other comic incarnations for some reason, and I did come around to the 2012 series. But I domt have much faith in the franchise's future now.

[Ninja Tiptup]

Too sexy? I mean nothing against Judith Hoag, but Paige Turco is like infinitely sexier than her. Heck, I'd take Paige Turco NOW over Megan Fox.

Hot dang. Paige Turco was cute in TMNT 2/3 but wow just wow.

[Vegita-San]

I think Judith looks better now than she did then, personally.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOjVwJoUMAEmhov.jpg


I would like to erase live action NT TNM from turtles history. I think it would have fared far better in animation. and no venus. or at least make venus some kind of other animal....Dragon Lord and his minions where a wasted villain in the limited live action style.

Erase the bad costumes and splinter voices in TMNT3. I think it would have aged better with henson animitronics.

[miru]

Michael Bay's film, of course. If we want to get small, maybe those direct-to-video specials.

[Warhorse]

Too sexy? I mean nothing against Judith Hoag, but Paige Turco is like infinitely sexier than her. Heck, I'd take Paige Turco NOW over Megan Fox.

Get real. We're talking about the actual movies, not some random magazine photoshoot. I remember reading a review on Secret of the Ooze in the papers when it came out, and in it, the critic applauds the movie for toning down the violence, and replacing April that didn't strut around in mini skirts.

[ABrown]

Get real. We're talking about the actual movies, not some random magazine photoshoot. I remember reading a review on Secret of the Ooze in the papers when it came out, and in it, the critic applauds the movie for toning down the violence, and replacing April that didn't strut around in mini skirts.

I guess, I mean suppose I could see that. But I'm still taking Paige Turco over Judith Hoag any day, no matter what either of them is wearing. I just find Paige to be absolutely adorable.

[MikeandRaph87]

I guess, I mean suppose I could see that. But I'm still taking Paige Turco over Judith Hoag any day, no matter what either of them is wearing. I just find Paige to be absolutely adorable.

I thought Turco was better as April in general as a preschooler. I still believe that.

[Powder]

I thought Turco was better as April in general as a preschooler. I still believe that.

I dunno about anyone else but I seriously misinterpreted this at first. :tlol:

[Leo656]

I wouldn't kick either of 'em outta bed for eatin' Cheez-Its, let's just put it that way. Then or Now.

I think Turco had nicer calves, though.

[ABrown]

I thought Turco was better as April in general as a preschooler. I still believe that.

I dunno about anyone else but I seriously misinterpreted this at first. :tlol:

Yeah, I'm sure Paige would've made a great preschool April O'Neil back when she was four years old. :D

[Mysticwarrior7]

LOL!! On a serious note I think that Judith Hoag made the best April; Not that Paige Turco or Megan Fox did a horrible job at playing the role, but she was my favorite. As for erasing anything in the TMNT timeline..... I would of definitely erased the 1997 Live Action series The Next Mutation. Can't really say I was a fan of the show. They could of done so much better.

[MikeandRaph87]

You all know I mean even at a young age I thought Paige was a better April than Judith.

Venus and the show overall is a failure because of poor execution more than anything else. As much as I do not want a female Turtle I am not ready to burn down IDW offices, but rather see what comes next. Its because while the concept was not seen coming and does not appear to be a jump the shark in an attempt to get readership up and media focus. Its a creative decision based on the story that the writer wanted to tell.

[pferreira]

I would of got rid of the PD movies as long as what we got in its place are movies that were better. Generally it's not what the franchise has done wrong (Jennika I'm looking at you!) but more what it needed to do. The comics for instance should have had a continued, larger presence but more done to push merchandise made or later cartoon series.

[Hockey Boy]

The IDW comic book, that company ruins every ****in franchise it touches, i swear.

[pferreira]

The IDW comic book, that company ruins every ****in franchise it touches, i swear.TMNT is arguably bigger than the IDW comic. I think whatever IDW does in ruining it (if they are) won't matter in the long run.

[TommyT]

RISE

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[D-ray]

I agree about the Nickelodeon/Viacom sell.
I didn't really enjoy the 2013 serie and the movies were, eehh...

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

The Platinum Dunes movies. The character designs are awful. They look more like four Incredible Hulks than Ninja Turtles. It would have been one thing to make little tweaks, but sometimes you shouldn't mess with a classic look too much.

[ZariusTwo]

Wasn't the biggest fan of TMNT 2012, but I at least respect that it was a bigger deal to audiences than the 2003 show proved to be...I'd probably ditch all the 80s crossover stories and the final ever season. Post-Script seasons are never fun.

[marioroxmysox]

I would agree that Viacom buyout is not worth it, because that would mean not insulting the Fred Wolf series for existing. I mean, yes, they aren't 100% ninjas (as they aren't completely hidden, and are exposed by April's reports), but if the show didn't catch our interest in the franchise, it would've been just for teens and adults only. That being said, if the Michael Bay TMNT films didn't exist, we wouldn't have Bebop and Rocksteady on the Big Screen. I mean, sure the turtles aren't exactly turtle like, but I guess the movies were putting more emphasis on the "mutant" part of the name. And I'll take that over how Viacom did with Sonic.

[pferreira]

I would agree that Viacom buyout is not worth it, because that would mean not insulting the Fred Wolf series for existing. I mean, yes, they aren't 100% ninjas (as they aren't completely hidden, and are exposed by April's reports), but if the show didn't catch our interest in the franchise, it would've been just for teens and adults only. That being said, if the Michael Bay TMNT films didn't exist, we wouldn't have Bebop and Rocksteady on the Big Screen. I mean, sure the turtles aren't exactly turtle like, but I guess the movies were putting more emphasis on the "mutant" part of the name. And I'll take that over how Viacom did with Sonic.You liked the PD movies from 2014 and 2016?

[Cowa]

Instead of erasing a canon part of TMNT, I'd prefer to erase things we see in the fandom... Donatello/April, for instance. I'd kill it with gusto.🤣

[Lord Nightwalker]

Nothing. Good or bad, it's all turtles history. You don't screw with history.

[Andrew NDB]

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[pferreira]

Instead of erasing a canon part of TMNT, I'd prefer to erase things we see in the fandom... Donatello/April, for instance. I'd kill it with gusto.🤣Shippers would be angry. The IDW comic does have shippers right? :lol:

[PApagreg]

Instead of erasing a canon part of TMNT, I'd prefer to erase things we see in the fandom... Donatello/April, for instance. I'd kill it with gusto.🤣

I'm not against it but yeah if Donatello/April was wiped from existence I wouldn't mind.

[Wesley]

I’ll get rid of Secret of the Ooze. It’s a mediocre sequel, though it’s watchable and has its good parts. III was a better follow up imo.

[ZariusTwo]

Instead of erasing a canon part of TMNT, I'd prefer to erase things we see in the fandom... Donatello/April, for instance. I'd kill it with gusto.��

I used to be pretty hardcore against 'shipping 'till I started writing for my preferred Fred Wolf pairings., but yeah, I've never understood the Don/April 'ship. I much prefer Don and Irma

[PApagreg]

Not erasure but I think we need to take a break from Bebop and Rocksteady