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ninja-zero
12-09-2019, 04:10 PM
Any ideas on how Jennika/Jenny will be brought into new TMNT movies/TV shows?

CyberCubed
12-09-2019, 04:32 PM
She won't be. Nothing from IDW ever migrated outside of it, not even Old Hob who debuted in the first issue in 2011 and has been around a decade now.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
12-09-2019, 04:45 PM
not even Old Hob who debuted in the first issue in 2011 and has been around a decade now.

That's not surprising since the 2012–2017 Nickelodeon cartoon already has Tigerclaw.

neatoman
12-09-2019, 05:01 PM
She won't be. Nothing from IDW ever migrated outside of it, not even Old Hob who debuted in the first issue in 2011 and has been around a decade now.
What about Alopex? And the oddly standardised lab experiment origin? There's even a game based around the character designs. I'll agree that it's not much yet but it's straight up false to say it hasn't happened yet and foolish to think it won't happen.

That's not surprising since the 2012–2017 Nickelodeon cartoon already has Tigerclaw.

Tiger Claw sucks, if there's a character I seriously doubt will make it outside his original incarnation, it's him.

PApagreg
12-09-2019, 05:45 PM
If she is hope they re imagine her because my god is Jennika bland in the IDW comic

snake
12-09-2019, 07:05 PM
Unless it's an IDW animated adaptation- which would be amazing- I doubt it.

Galactus
12-09-2019, 11:59 PM
Simple.

Adapt her actual IDW origin of being an honourable Foot Ninja that gets gravely injured and the only way to survive is to get a blood transfusion from one of the turtles which inadvertently turns her into a mutant turtle herself.

The fact that character exists and hasn't sent the fanbase or wider culture into a complete meltdown I would say gives better odds that someone will take a shot at adapting the character in a future iteration of TMNT. If/when that does happen I think her actual story that had even cynics go "hmm maybe this wont be so bad" is the best route to go. No playing it like she was part of the group all along or saying she was one of the original turtles but Splinter missed her ala Venus.

If you must you could start a new version of TMNT with the main characters and setups already established including Jennika as long as her backstory is that she's a human turned turtle. The whole dealing with her mutation, the other turtles feeling kinda responsible and the question of whether she will become human again or whether she will accept being a mutant is a big part of her appeal imo. Also it's reminiscent of the whole mission to turn Splinter back into Hamato Yoshi which was an interesting idea dropped a bit too quickly in the 80s show.

The Great Saiyaman
12-10-2019, 10:03 AM
She won't be. Nothing from IDW ever migrated outside of it, not even Old Hob who debuted in the first issue in 2011 and has been around a decade now.

Nothing?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-2012-series/images/0/0b/Alopex_Bio.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171023203504

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
12-10-2019, 11:12 AM
Also it's reminiscent of the whole mission to turn Splinter back into Hamato Yoshi which was an interesting idea dropped a bit too quickly in the 80s show.

The moral of Splinter No More was at least throughout the rest of the series.

snake
12-10-2019, 04:15 PM
I was going to cite Pigeon Pete as another IDW concept, but then I remembered he was actually a Nick creation. Anyone else forget that, considering Pete's prominence in IDW?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
12-10-2019, 04:36 PM
I was going to cite Pigeon Pete as another IDW concept, but then I remembered he was actually a Nick creation. Anyone else forget that, considering Pete's prominence in IDW?

Pete is originally a Fred Wolf character from the episode What's Michelangelo Good For?. He was not a mutant, but not all animals must mutate.

neatoman
12-10-2019, 07:11 PM
Pete is originally a Fred Wolf character from the episode What's Michelangelo Good For?. He was not a mutant, but not all animals must mutate.

He might as well be an original character altogether, it's not like there's much similarity beyond the name.

sdp
12-10-2019, 07:21 PM
Jennika is poor man's Venus.

CyberCubed
12-10-2019, 07:57 PM
It's times like this you have to remember how obscure comics are compared to movies or TV shows. Not just for TMNT, but for mostly anything.

Leo656
12-10-2019, 08:44 PM
Hot Take:

Movies and TV only serve to present a paper-thin, dumbed-down version of what is otherwise pretty good fiction, for the benefit and joy of nobody except those who are functionally illiterate (and often proud of it).

This is true exactly 101% of the time, allowing for a 1% margin of error.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-10-2019, 09:12 PM
Hot Take:

Movies and TV only serve to present a paper-thin, dumbed-down version of what is otherwise pretty good fiction, for the benefit and joy of nobody except those who are functionally illiterate (and often proud of it).

This is true exactly 101% of the time, allowing for a 1% margin of error.

Sometimes it's still good! But... yeah, you're not wrong. :tlol:

Coola Yagami
12-10-2019, 09:37 PM
The way TMNT properties like to mix and match different aspects of their previous incarnations, I wouldn't be surprised if some future comic incarnation had Venus and Jennika fight it out before they can finally settle their rivalry and help the OG TMNT face the team up of Shredder, Null, The Dragon Lord and Baron Draxum.

Leo656
12-10-2019, 09:49 PM
Sometimes it's still good! But... yeah, you're not wrong. :tlol:

Oh, surely, sometimes TV and film adaptations are still pretty good. But "better"? Only if you're the kind of rube who proudly brags that you haven't even glanced at a book since high school. Otherwise, never ever.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-10-2019, 10:07 PM
Oh, surely, sometimes TV and film adaptations are still pretty good. But "better"? Only if you're the kind of rube who proudly brags that you haven't even glanced at a book since high school. Otherwise, never ever.

Agreed. You can't condense years (decades!) of character development and plot into 2 or 3 hours.

Coola Yagami
12-10-2019, 10:21 PM
Agreed. You can't condense years (decades!) of character development and plot into 2 or 3 hours.

Isn't that why they had Nicholson Joker kill Keaton Bruce's parents? To kinda give Batman and Joker some sort of personal connection to go with the comics, even though they only encountered each other for... idk... a week or so, over decades of comics?

PApagreg
12-10-2019, 10:27 PM
Hot Take:

Movies and TV only serve to present a paper-thin, dumbed-down version of what is otherwise pretty good fiction, for the benefit and joy of nobody except those who are functionally illiterate (and often proud of it).

This is true exactly 101% of the time, allowing for a 1% margin of error.


Or maybe and get this, some people might think certain adaptions improve on the source material


Oh, surely, sometimes TV and film adaptations are still pretty good. But "better"? Only if you're the kind of rube who proudly brags that you haven't even glanced at a book since high school. Otherwise, never ever.

So you are saying that comic book Mr Freeze is better than Batman TAS Mr Freeze where the former was a generic villain and the latter was a 3 dimensional character.

Galactus
12-10-2019, 10:34 PM
Jennika is poor man's Venus.

To be honest we haven't seen enough of Jennika as a turtle to really gauge how she'll be as a character but frankly I'd be hard pressed to imagine she'll end up as bad as Venus.

There's a reason why most people who think she can be revived go for reinventing the character in which case it's not really Venus anymore.

The way TMNT properties like to mix and match different aspects of their previous incarnations, I wouldn't be surprised if some future comic incarnation had Venus and Jennika fight it out before they can finally settle their rivalry and help the OG TMNT face the team up of Shredder, Null, The Dragon Lord and Baron Draxum.

We aint seeing those characters again. Other than Null would anyone even want to?

Oh, surely, sometimes TV and film adaptations are still pretty good. But "better"? Only if you're the kind of rube who proudly brags that you haven't even glanced at a book since high school. Otherwise, never ever.

Movies and TV adaptions of comics when done right can distill the essential elements and strip away the meaningless ephemera that build up after decades worth of ongoing continuity. Think the Richard Donner Superman movie or Captain America: Civil War which most people would cop to being better than the comic event.

Coola Yagami
12-11-2019, 12:30 AM
To be honest we haven't seen enough of Jennika as a turtle to really gauge how she'll be as a character but frankly I'd be hard pressed to imagine she'll end up as bad as Venus.

There's a reason why most people who think she can be revived go for reinventing the character in which case it's not really Venus anymore.



We aint seeing those characters again. Other than Null would anyone even want to?





To be honest, the same could have been said about Null, Darius Dunn and the Street Phantoms. Sure, Null was big in the Archie comics, but what average TMNT joe would have even heard of him?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
12-11-2019, 09:12 AM
Movies and TV only serve to present a paper-thin, dumbed-down version of what is otherwise pretty good fiction, for the benefit and joy of nobody except those who are functionally illiterate (and often proud of it).

As far as I know, that's because children's comics are less limited by censors.

Leo656
12-11-2019, 12:45 PM
Movies and TV adaptions of comics when done right can distill the essential elements and strip away the meaningless ephemera that build up after decades worth of ongoing continuity. Think the Richard Donner Superman movie or Captain America: Civil War which most people would cop to being better than the comic event.

They're entitled to their bad opinions, but they're ignorant regardless. I don't willingly converse with such people.

AT-Man
12-12-2019, 05:36 AM
Batman vs TMNT movie is objectively better than the comic.

Leo656
12-12-2019, 07:39 AM
Batman vs TMNT movie is objectively better than the comic.

Aye, kinda like how the sh*t I took after lunch was better than the one I took after breakfast. :tgrin:

Kidding, kidding. Kinda. Kinda mostly kidding.

PApagreg
12-12-2019, 11:07 AM
The Boys tv series is much better than the comic.

Andrew NDB
12-12-2019, 11:40 AM
The Boys tv series is much better than the comic.

You're going to piss somebody off saying that, for sure. :)

I can definitely, definitely say that the "Umbrella Academy" TV show was a whole hell of a lot better than the comic, though. To say that the comics were "incoherent" would be the understatement of the year.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-12-2019, 12:28 PM
The Boys tv series is much better than the comic.

You're going to piss somebody off saying that, for sure. :)

I can definitely, definitely say that the "Umbrella Academy" TV show was a whole hell of a lot better than the comic, though. To say that the comics were "incoherent" would be the understatement of the year.

Consider me pissed off. :tgrumble:

However, I absolutely agree with Andrew. Umbrella Academy on Netflix is far better than the comics.

PApagreg
12-12-2019, 12:28 PM
I can definitely, definitely say that the "Umbrella Academy" TV show was a whole hell of a lot better than the comic, though. To say that the comics were "incoherent" would be the understatement of the year.

Oh don't get me started with Umbrella Academy I tried reading the 1st volume but everything was a jumbled mess that I was put off from finishing it.

pferreira
03-05-2020, 01:32 PM
Jennika is poor man's Venus.

If she is hope they re imagine her because my god is Jennika bland in the IDW comicNot having read her arc yet I'm interested to know why you say this? Is she not well written or something?