How do you think Rise will handle Casey Jones

[PApagreg]

So while this show is currently on hiatus I kinda wanted to speculate on how this show is going to interpret this character. I don't know maybe he might be your standard Casey with the hockey mask and sports equipment but seeing how they change some of the previous characters like the Purple Dragon or Hamato Yoshi I doubt they are just going to stick with that and I also doubt that would work since the mutants and enemies have gotten a huge powerup compared to previous iterations, they are not just human/animal hybrids but they also have their own powers and abilities(Sweatmeats absorption, Hypno's Magic, and Ghost Bear intangibility). That's not even mentioning the turtles who at this point can go toe to toe with Aang from ATLA, so I made a few guesses on what kinda of abilities or characteristics he will have.

Part Yokai- Hey if 2k12 can turn characters who were previously human into either mutant hybrids or Jean Grey expies then the idea of Casey being a Yokai wouldn't be too out there, maybe have him be part Oni/Orc and have the turtles meet him in the Battle Nexus as a rising rookie

Tech Genius- When you think about it the idea of Casey tinkering with machines isn't a new concept and while he isn't as good as Donatello he is shown to have knack for it, heck the 2k12 Casey made freaggin homemade gadgets so why not go to the next level and have him a genius you heck you can make him a rival to Donnie and even give his tech a grimy heavy metal aesthetic that wouldn't be too out of place in Motorcity.

Charles Atlas Superpowers- Have him be a very strong human that can physically go toe to toe with Raph, have someone mention that his muscles are much more denser than that of normal human or have it so that his core is much more developed than an average human sort of like Adam Dudley
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Magic Bat- Just give him a magic bat.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Knowing Rise, the Casey we are gonna get is probably nothing like what we would ever come to expect.

That being said though, I do like the ideas that you suggested, particularly giant and beefed up Casey who can go toe to toe with Raph.

It would make up for the sorry excuse of a Hun in the 2012 series :lol:

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Knowing Rise, the Casey we are gonna get is probably nothing like what we would ever come to expect.

That being said though, I do like the ideas that you suggested, particularly giant and beefed up Casey who can go toe to toe with Raph.

It would make up for the sorry excuse of a Hun in the 2012 series :lol:

Lol, yeah. What did you not like about Hun in the 2012 show? :lol:

[Galactus]

I dread to think.

[CyberCubed]

He will probably be hispanic because April is black in this version. I fully expect a Casey who says things like, "Dios Mio!" and, "Por favor" and "Que lastima!"

[PApagreg]

Lol, yeah. What did you not like about Hun in the 2012 show? :lol:

For me its the same problem I have with a lot of characters, they are really underdeveloped compared to their previous iteration and are pretty much there for cheap fan service. I personally I call this process the "Young Justice Effect"

[Autbot_Benz]

Casey Jones is my favorite non mutant character in the TMNT universe and I shudder to think what this 💩 cartoon will do to him.

Stay Away from Casey you have ruined enough with this stupid show.

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[IndigoErth]

LOL at that gif.

He will probably be hispanic because April is black in this version.
And with a rather gender neutral name, come on, you know he also going to become she. :tlol: Probably some girl that competes in roller derby, because sports theme.

Honestly, right now I don't really even feel like this show is going to bother with him, or just barely if at all. But if it does make him a reoccurring supporting character... well, with apologies to the Casey fans, I almost look forward to seeing how they screw that up and add him to the lineup of this show having something, sooner or later, for everyone [to hate]. Wannabe Karai is a lunatic, Shredder is (so far) a wild beast lacking sentience or a voice, among all the rest... still some more rats asses not given that they could throw to the wind (not including the literal one already thrown).

[PApagreg]

You know I kinda find it funny people are dreading how Rise is going to "ruin" Casey when 2k12 already did that job, his character got devolved to being a love interest rival to Donnie and saying metal all the time after season 2, heck if Casey is an amalgamation of everyone fears I still prefer that over what we got in the mentioned version.



Honestly, right now I don't really even feel like this show is going to bother with him, or just barely if at all. But if it does make him a reoccurring supporting character... well, with apologies to the Casey fans, I almost look forward to seeing how they screw that up and add him to the lineup of this show having something, sooner or later, for everyone [to hate]. Wannabe Karai is a lunatic, Shredder is (so far) a wild beast lacking sentience or a voice, among all the rest... still some more rats asses not given that they could throw to the wind (not including the literal one already thrown).

If you are going to use examples of the show messing up established characters can you at least use an established character, now maybe the Foot Recruit will turn out to be Karai but as for right now she is a new character also I prefer wild beast Shredder over incel Shredder anytime of the week.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah... how 2012 handled Casey wouldn't really excuse Rise's handling of him if it wasn't/isn't great either, no matter how annoying 2012's version was.

Actually, it would be absolutely hilarious if he showed up and was the one and only character in 'Rise' who was actually a normal, typical (and adult) version, like those before Nick ever got hold of him. Because after 2012 and the 2016 film, that has literally not been done by Nick. :tlol:


Or... plot twist, wannabe Karai is actually wannabe girl Casey with a reboot of the nutty personalty of the FW Casey.

incel Shredder
Uh.... what?

[PApagreg]

Yeah... how 2012 handled Casey wouldn't really excuse Rise's handling of him if it wasn't/isn't great either, no matter how annoying 2012's version was.

The Rise staff would have to TRY to make their Casey worse than 12 Casey



Or... plot twist, wannabe Karai is actually wannabe girl Casey with a reboot of the nutty personalty of the FW Casey.

Actually funny you say that

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Uh.... what?

I mean the dude feud with Splinter can be boiled down to "Tang Shen thought Yoshi had a nicer d*ck than me so Yoshi must die"

[TommyT]

Cancelled. That’s how ... by being ****ing cancelled.

[Rooish]

In a word: badly.

[tmntfan4ever]

Cancelled. That’s how ... by being ****ing cancelled.

it will prolly happen after they finish season 2, they have not renewed it yet and its already on the cemetery of Toons on the Nick Toons. Look at what happened with Korra. ROTMNT was renewed for Season 2 b4 S1 even finished. So far nothing about Season 3.

[shredder orokusaki]

it will prolly happen after they finish season 2, they have not renewed it yet and its already on the cemetery of Toons on the Nick Toons. Look at what happened with Korra. ROTMNT was renewed for Season 2 b4 S1 even finished. So far nothing about Season 3.
And then start a series based on IDW with all the gore and violence the comics have! That will be the best thing to do after Rise. Or if it is not based on IDW at least make it as dark as 2003 2012 and IDW are.

[Candy Kappa]

It'd be hilarious if Rise Casey was just FW Casey, over the top Eastwood impersonation voice and so into vigilante justice he's ready to beat people just for crossing the street.

[TommyT]

it will prolly happen after they finish season 2, they have not renewed it yet and its already on the cemetery of Toons on the Nick Toons. Look at what happened with Korra. ROTMNT was renewed for Season 2 b4 S1 even finished. So far nothing about Season 3.

Because it’s been cancelled. The Op is desperate.

[shredder orokusaki]

You know I kinda find it funny people are dreading how Rise is going to "ruin" Casey when 2k12 already did that job, his character got devolved to being a love interest rival to Donnie and saying metal all the time after season 2, heck if Casey is an amalgamation of everyone fears I still prefer that over what we got in the mentioned version.




If you are going to use examples of the show messing up established characters can you at least use an established character, now maybe the Foot Recruit will turn out to be Karai but as for right now she is a new character also I prefer wild beast Shredder over incel Shredder anytime of the week.

I am not a wild animal. i was human in ancient japan and then i became a demon https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Shredder_(Rise_of_the_TMNT) like in the 2003 series.

[CyberCubed]

Is it time for a gay Casey Jones? Maybe he should be a homosexual in this continuity.

[Jester]

Is it time for a gay Casey Jones? Maybe he should be a homosexual in this continuity.
You wanna fist in the mouth? He's never even looked at another guy...

[neatoman]

At this point I kinda doubt he'll even show up. It's been like, what? 50 episodes? And there's been no word on a third season. It seems like he might not show up at all and if he does, he probably won't be a main character.

[shredder orokusaki]

In the1 1987 series he showed up for very few episodes. It all the other series who is a main character. And in the 2012 it took many episodes until he showed up.

[neatoman]

In the1 1987 series he showed up for very few episodes. It all the other series who is a main character. And in the 2012 it took many episodes until he showed up.

Correct but the Fred Wolf show sucks and Casey pretty much only appeared because he had a toy. For some reason that show reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaally felt that it was of high priority to make sure a kid in bad turtle cosplay got to star in more episodes than him.

As for the first Nick show, sure, he wasn't in the first 29 episodes but he still appears in 65 episodes, slightly above half.

[sdp]

Is Casey confirmed or hinted to show up in S2? Because if he isn't then he won't since we likely won't see S3 albeit a miracle happens.

Which is ok, I'd rather see some new characters or allies than Casey in Rise. If Casey appears, I guess a redo of the OT would be cool to see, where else would we see a friendly psychopathic Casey like the OT had?

[Warhorse]

Is it time for a gay Casey Jones? Maybe he should be a homosexual in this continuity.

You wanna fist in the mouth? He's never even looked at another guy...

This genuinely made me spit out my drink!:lol:

[miru]

Hmmm...

He will be a villain in the series at first, but possibly reform later. Once again older than the rest of the cast.

[Hockey Boy]

I think Casey should be older than the main cast, and physically huge, relentless in combat, maybe retcon him to be the spine-breaking bandit, basically his 1987 incarnation cast in a darker light
As for powers, i don’t know, maybe some skull themed yo-kai or something, that'd be cool.

[D Piddy 1982]

Is Casey confirmed or hinted to show up in S2? Because if he isn't then he won't since we likely won't see S3 albeit a miracle happens.

Unfortunately as much as I like this show, I have to agree with you. Can't see there being a season 3.

[Torterra]

I feel like he'll show up we still have a good chunk of season 2 to go plus Rise is suppose to be getting that movie. I also saw this drawing someone made that Casey could be Repo Mantis's son or nephew and that could be interesting. Maybe we'll get some news about season 3 later I know most people think it's going to be cancelled because it was moved to Nicktoons. But less not forget that Nick has treated the 2012 version ****** too. Only showing the ONE new episode but never any reruns on the main channel, moving it from Saturday mornings to Sunday mornings. For Nickelodeon if your show not making that Spongebob or Loud House kind of money then were going to treat it like **** doesn't matter if it has a strong fanbase and gives us money still.

[Coola Yagami]

I feel like he'll show up we still have a good chunk of season 2 to go plus Rise is suppose to be getting that movie. I also saw this drawing someone made that Casey could be Repo Mantis's son or nephew and that could be interesting. Maybe we'll get some news about season 3 later I know most people think it's going to be cancelled because it was moved to Nicktoons. But less not forget that Nick has treated the 2012 version ****** too. Only showing the ONE new episode but never any reruns on the main channel, moving it from Saturday mornings to Sunday mornings. For Nickelodeon if your show not making that Spongebob or Loud House kind of money then were going to treat it like **** doesn't matter if it has a strong fanbase and gives us money still.

Rise is still a thing? Honestly thought this was cancelled months ago. Don't even hear about it anymore and even before CoVid started, there weren't any toys of them anywhere.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Yeah, when I passed by the toy aisles at Walmart, there wasn't a single toy left of the series. Pretty sure this show is done after it's current season. A third season would have been announced already and would air this fall.

[Leo656]

Same, I was there yesterday at the one by me and they cleaned out ALL the TMNT stuff. Star Wars, too. That was slightly more surprising but also not really.

This past decade was really sh*t for relaunching popular franchises. It started off so well with Thundercats, but that whole fiasco really should have been taken as an omen.

Like from the Sword.

Of Omens.

...Screw you, you didn't think of it first, you're just jealous.

Anyway, yeah, starting with that relaunch, it's just been one after another in a series of "Awwww, yeah!" followed very quickly by just plain "...Awww." Like, even Star Wars can't consistently sell toys anymore. Star Wars! That's insane.

Much can and already has been said and written about how perhaps, if you're a company with the rights to a giant popular franchise, your long-term success may be greater if you spend less time telling your audience what they're supposed to want, and instead asking them and then giving them exactly what they asked for. But, y'know... I'm not a huge corporation so I probably don't know sh*t.

[IndigoErth]

I doubt he's going to show up. If he does at all, I also doubt it will be anything more than one or two appearances.

Rise is still a thing? Honestly thought this was cancelled months ago. Don't even hear about it anymore and even before CoVid started, there weren't any toys of them anywhere.
Don't worry... after, what, a 5 or 6 month hiatus it came back for an hour two weeks ago, with rather skippable eps. Then went away again. Back this coming Friday, but after that, who knows!

Not like most episode plots give anyone reason to pay attention and long for when it's coming back anyhow... I miss those days.

[PApagreg]

Don't worry... after, what, a 5 or 6 month hiatus it came back for an hour two weeks ago, with rather skippable eps. Then went away again. Back this coming Friday, but after that, who knows! .

The last two episodes had a redemption arc for Baron and Meat Sweats being kidnapped by some unknown force

Not like most episode plots give anyone reason to pay attention and long for when it's coming back anyhow... I miss those days.

Speak for yourself I'm excited for the Splinter and April episode.

[Autbot_Benz]

Rise is basically cancelled I just wish Nick would get over themselves and just give us official confirmation this **** show is over .

[Toxin45]

Rise is basically cancelled I just wish Nick would get over themselves and just give us official confirmation this **** show is over .

Get over it dude

[Autbot_Benz]

Get over it dude

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[Toxin45]

https://i.imgur.com/lPxTJuI.jpg

Dude we get it you hate rise so much that it is getting boring

[Leo656]

Consuela has spoken, amigo.

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[ZariusTwo]

Speak for yourself I'm excited for the Splinter and April episode.

He speaks for a lot of us actually.

You shill this s*it so much, I honestly think you're being paid for it.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

He speaks for a lot of us actually.

You shill this s*it so much, I honestly think you're being paid for it.

What's with people being unable to handle pro-Rise opinions?

He's allowed to like the show and talk about it, no one forced you to enter into the Rise section in the first place.

[Leo656]

He's allowed to like it, as is anyone, but casting aspersions and labeling anyone who doesn't like it as a "Hater" or whatever else is untoward and makes one's bias show considerably. And if a person is blatantly biased and proud of it, they're not going to enter any conversation in good faith and that's not the point of discussion. It's something that makes me decide against ever talking to certain people, because I know I'm dealing with a closed-minded individual who gets needlessly pissy and protective, and it won't be a "conversation" but rather a battle, and I'm not in the mood for it at my age.

When I say things like, "I definitely wouldn't have a conversation with This Person or That Person," and people say, "Wow, that's messed up of you," THAT is why I'm like that. I really don't give a sh*t if a person agrees with my opinions but if you're not going to at least discuss and debate in good faith then I want nothing to do with your cotton candy ass, it's that simple. Some of my best friends f*cking HATE a lot of the stuff I like, but we get along fine because we're not gonna go to war over it, but we can still talk and even debate about it while agreeing to disagree. That's a level of maturity and respect which I don't think most people on this forum are familiar with, frankly.

This thread, specifically, is speculative. "What do you think's gonna happen with _____?" Anyone can throw their two cents in, that's the entire point. SOME people speculate that the show is over with, and furthermore, that pleases them. They're allowed to say so.

This "Pro-opinions only or GTFO" stuff is garbage, and I've been saying so for almost 15 years, here. Ironically enough, if you pay close attention to certain individuals and how they post, some of them were citing this exact position when it came time to deservedly trash and burn the BayTurtles films. Some of the same people who said "This forum is NOT an echo chamber" back then, are now saying "This SECTION, at least, is an echo chamber, and if you don't like the show keep it to yourself." And it's horse sh*t and hypocrisy. "If it's something I hate, negative opinions are allowed. If it's something I LIKE, you better watch your mouth, sailor!" :roll:

You got people saying you can't criticize the FW show. You got people saying you're not allowed to criticize "Rise". Bullsh*t, all of it. As long as personal attacks aren't involved you can Like or Dislike whatever the hell you want, that's the entire point.

Some'a these people need their pussy powdered because someone likes something they don't, or vice-versa, and it's childish and tiresome. People defending f*cking cartoon shows as if they were their children. Don't be on a message board, then, go on the official FB pages where criticism absolutely isn't allowed. You'll fit in better and have a better time. I don't know what else to tell you.

Some people probably bang their preferred Opinion Drum a bit often and hard on either side. And sure, that's annoying. But it's also allowed. "Open exchange of opinions and ideas." That's the entire point of a forum.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

He's allowed to like it, as is anyone, but casting aspersions and labeling anyone who doesn't like it as a "Hater" or whatever else is untoward and makes one's bias show considerably. And if a person is blatantly biased and proud of it, they're not going to enter any conversation in good faith and that's not the point of discussion. It's something that makes me decide against ever talking to certain people, because I know I'm dealing with a closed-minded individual who gets needlessly pissy and protective, and it won't be a "conversation" but rather a battle, and I'm not in the mood for it at my age.

When I say things like, "I definitely wouldn't have a conversation with This Person or That Person," and people say, "Wow, that's messed up of you," THAT is why I'm like that. I really don't give a sh*t if a person agrees with my opinions but if you're not going to at least discuss and debate in good faith then I want nothing to do with your cotton candy ass, it's that simple. Some of my best friends f*cking HATE a lot of the stuff I like, but we get along fine because we're not gonna go to war over it, but we can still talk and even debate about it while agreeing to disagree. That's a level of maturity and respect which I don't think most people on this forum are familiar with, frankly.

This thread, specifically, is speculative. "What do you think's gonna happen with _____?" Anyone can throw their two cents in, that's the entire point. SOME people speculate that the show is over with, and furthermore, that pleases them. They're allowed to say so.

This "Pro-opinions only or GTFO" stuff is garbage, and I've been saying so for almost 15 years, here. Ironically enough, if you pay close attention to certain individuals and how they post, some of them were citing this exact position when it came time to deservedly trash and burn the BayTurtles films. Some of the same people who said "This forum is NOT an echo chamber" back then, are now saying "This SECTION, at least, is an echo chamber, and if you don't like the show keep it to yourself." And it's horse sh*t and hypocrisy. "If it's something I hate, negative opinions are allowed. If it's something I LIKE, you better watch your mouth, sailor!" :roll:

You got people saying you can't criticize the FW show. You got people saying you're not allowed to criticize "Rise". Bullsh*t, all of it. As long as personal attacks aren't involved you can Like or Dislike whatever the hell you want, that's the entire point.

Some'a these people need their pussy powdered because someone likes something they don't, or vice-versa, and it's childish and tiresome. People defending f*cking cartoon shows as if they were their children. Don't be on a message board, then, go on the official FB pages where criticism absolutely isn't allowed. You'll fit in better and have a better time. I don't know what else to tell you.

Some people probably bang their preferred Opinion Drum a bit often and hard on either side. And sure, that's annoying. But it's also allowed. "Open exchange of opinions and ideas." That's the entire point of a forum.

In all honesty, you are completely dead on correct over here with your points, and you know we've been on the same page lately in regards to a lot of stuff such as being allowed to criticize the Fred Wolf show in order to support an open exchange of ideas and stuff like that.

That being said though, I have yet to see myself an instance of Papagreg ever getting personal with anyone over Rise, and from what I've seen from almost every Rise thread, he has offered nothing but a coherent opinion on the show, which he justifies with examples.

In return though, he has been personally attacked many, many times just for liking Rise and not in response to any bad behaviour, being repeatedly called a shill, a plant, and accused of ruining tmnt among many other things.

And from what I've seen, the people who attack Papagreg for liking Rise on these forums offer little to no criticism of Rise itself which makes for unproductive discussions (I'm not even talking about the posts in people wish that Rise would be cancelled, I disagree with that opinion and find it to be distasteful for often being off-topic in many threads, but people are allowed to say that by virtue of it being impersonal).

[Leo656]

Well, I certainly haven't seen every thread and interaction so I'll take your word for it. And no, I can't say I've ever seen PA be outright rude or make attacks, but I know for a fact I've seen them make "If you don't like it you shouldn't be allowed to talk in this section/thread" kind of posts sometimes, and I don't like that from anyone. They're about as hyper-defensive of Rise as the other guy is about FW. It's nothing personal in either case and I don't wish anyone here any specific harm, by any means. It's just... these shows are not your kids, things need not be so heavy and personal.

I only get pissy when people lie about things I like, not just because they disagree with my opinions on them. I get angry at false and misleading statements, and that kind of thing I will fight to shut down. But I won't tell someone they can't talk just because their opinion conflicts with mine. A subtle distinction, perhaps, but an important one.

I do concede that I've seen some people be a bit too stiff towards PA and others who like the show, but again, I don't see everything. And I often got the impression that at least some of those people were perhaps overreacting to being told they had no right to an opinion, but perhaps didn't go into the conversation looking to stir sh*t. Maybe they did, but I don't know. I can only call what I see.

Given I can only call what I see, I see a lot of people saying "If you don't like this show, get out of the section entirely and stifle your opinions" and I simply don't agree with that. I WILL say that it's rather pointless to keep banging a drum once you've made yourself clear, and at some point a person is deliberately being contrary for the sake of it, and that's vulgar, but that's also a bit of a different story.

As for people offering "little-to-no criticism" of the show, well... I have in fact seen some people try, and they were told to keep their mouths shut for being Buzzkillers, which probably led to them doubling-down and getting so hostile about it in the first place. I was Temp-Banned when the first episode aired, so I made a FB post after watching the first episode specifically listing my own grievances with it. I was told I shouldn't care, I shouldn't even speak out loud because my opinion was ruining everyone else's good time. SO, for my part I simply don't talk about the show because A. I've only seen the one episode, and B. I was told, flat-out, that nothing I could say was worth hearing at all because "I'm a hater", thus any points I could make are invalid by default.

WHY should anyone even try to clarify or eloquently defend their position, in that kind of environment? If you can write an entire paragraph or novella, OR just say "Show sucks, I hate it," and either way, you're gonna be told to go f*ck off... why do the work? But you still deserve a voice, right?

Believe me, I could write a ton about why I feel this show is both not good (at least as a TMNT show) and also very bad for the ultimate long-term health of the brand, but I'm too old for the war I'd be starting simply for talking out loud, so I don't get involved with it. I just think the "You can't say that, I like this thing!" stuff is stupid.

As for anyone being called a "shill" or "plant", well... we've had them here. Not saying anyone is or isn't, but if you're going to put your neck out so far then you'd best be prepared for any and all things that people are gonna say about you and your opinion. That's just common sense. And yeah, I'll be honest, when I see someone fight SO hard to defend something, I have to wonder if they have any personal skin in the game, it's just my nature. So I don't find stuff like that to be unforgivable, even if it's petty and childish.

I don't know, I personally find the "If you don't like this thing, you don't get to have an opinion" stuff to be worse than anything else. I haven't seen these attacks towards pro-Rise people and such you speak of for myself so I'll take your word for it. No need to use Quotes, don't go out of your way for something so inconsequential. I'll take your word for it. But telling someone they have no right to an opinion, is worse than someone getting pissy and firing back after being told they have no right to an opinion. That's my take on it.

[Autbot_Benz]

He speaks for a lot of us actually.

You shill this s*it so much, I honestly think you're being paid for it.

I agree 100%

[Dejablue]

I'm very short sighted when it comes to Rise to be honest. I don't see the point. April already wields a bat like a maniac. So is Casey also going to be a maniac with a bat/hockey mask?

I suppose if they did like in 87 where he's this creepy Jason Vorehees/Michael Myers type dude who freaks everyone out because he never says anything and just stares menacingly, they could get some jokes out of that. But April has the entire spectrum of snarky teen human friend filled up.

So yeah. Casey Jones would have to be an unstable adult who barely knows how to socialize.

Edit: Zarious and Autbot you are both pathetic tools.

You people act like the behavior of the pro-Rise people came out of nowhere when people like you constantly come into their space to tell them they're dumb for liking this show. And then people like Leo justify it with essays about why "clapping back is wrooong waaah waaah waaaah". Dude please. How can you expect otherwise when every other response a thread in here gets is negative or hostile. Same complaints over and over since day one. If you're such an adult then let sleeping dogs lie. It would be one thing if you actually watched Rise but you don't.

[Dejablue]

Woah my response went to the entirely wrong thread. Disregard this post.

[Leo656]

People who say "Clapping Back" are the new "People Who Say 'Don't Go There'."

There's some tea for ya. :trazz: