Apparently Nick Toons Holland pulled the plug.

[The Great Saiyaman]

Last weekend saw the airing of the "Cloak and Swaggart" and "Jupiter Jim ahoy" episodes.

This time around, no mention of the "Rise" series on the website, no promo clips on the channel itself.

In addition, when walking into toy shops, I saw the "Rise" toys in the bargain bins already.

It was more sudden than I thought.

[neatoman]

We've been pretty sure this show wouldn't continue for quite a while now, a foreign market pulling the plug isn't that weird.

[Autbot_Benz]

Just give me that sweet Rise is Cancelled notice so I can celebrate

[sdp]

It wouldn't be a bad move to move it to netflix, the 2012 show is there in some markets, the movie is really something, it should be out this year but is it only Rise? is it a crossover movie? If it's only rise it seems doomed to fail even on Netflix which for Netflix they might not want to carry any more tmnt stuff.

Does Rise have a niche online following at least? I also wonder if the writers knew this movie could be the last and that they weren't renewed for a S3, so at least it can work as some sort of series finale for this show.

[TommyT]

Just give me that sweet Rise is Cancelled notice so I can celebrate

It's been cancelled. You can celebrate.

[Powder]

This really doesn't warrant its own thread.

Does Rise have a niche online following at least? I also wonder if the writers knew this movie could be the last and that they weren't renewed for a S3, so at least it can work as some sort of series finale for this show.

Tumblr loves it, but that's not enough, obviously. Not quite the kids toy demo.

[Warhorse]

This really doesn't warrant its own thread.



Tumblr loves it, but that's not enough, obviously. Not quite the kids toy demo.

Do kids even play with toys anymore though? Seems to me kids are wanting electronic gadgets, not toys.

[oldmanwinters]

I was trying to figure out who Nick "Toons" Holland is. :twink::twink::twink:

[CyberCubed]

I was trying to figure out who Nick "Toons" Holland is. :twink::twink::twink:

I thought he meant Tom Holland who is Spiderman and I got confused.

[PApagreg]

This really doesn't warrant its own thread.



Tumblr loves it, but that's not enough, obviously. Not quite the kids toy demo.


It also has a sizable following on Twitter(with the creator of Hazbin Hotel singing its praise https://twitter.com/VivziePop/status/1207862062858289154) in fact the ladder scene is what made me give this show another chance and I'm glad I did. Also fun fact its has the 8th highest place on the TMNT subreddit with a flair in animation.

On-Topic I kinda knew this series wouldn't last even though I still hope this gets another season, even at the start when this show aired I kinda had a feeling this would be sort of a buffer between the Nick show and the next big thing where the creators could experiment more and for me the experiment worked and I'm glad we got a iteration that does its own thing instead of being a Frankenstein monster of everything that came before it. Heck I should be happy it got 52 episodes and a possible movie, most action shows I like don't get as many episodes(especially Motorcity which I consider RotTMNT to be a spiritual successor) and the fact we still have the reminder of season 2 still gets me hyped.

It ain't super popular with the TMNT fans now but give it a couple of years and I see it in the vein of Batman Brave and the Bold or The Looney Tunes Show an iteration that's hated at first but later people will enjoy it because it is more of a different take.

Another thing it did was removed the awful taste the later seasons of 2k12 left in my mouth so that's a plus.

[Leofan26]

So it's officially cancelled than? I hope the series has Leo become the leader at some point in season two, I'd hate to leave things as is. This may not have been my favorite version of Leo but the heck with leaving Raph as leader for a series LOL.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

So it's officially cancelled than? I hope the series has Leo become the leader at some point in season two, I'd hate to leave things as is. This may not have been my favorite version of Leo but the heck with leaving Raph as leader for a series LOL.

Something about Raph being in charge seems to rub you the wrong way based on your posts.

[ABrown]

It wouldn't be a bad move to move it to netflix

You know with Nick's recent Netflix deal, moving the show there really would be the best option, if Nick is interested in continuing the show.

[Warhorse]

Something about Raph being in charge seems to rub you the wrong way based on your posts.

To be honest, I'm a huge Raphael fan, he's my most favorite fictional character of all time, and him being the leader of the TMNT rubs me the wrong way as well.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

To be honest, I'm a huge Raphael fan, he's my most favorite fictional character of all time, and him being the leader of the TMNT rubs me the wrong way as well.

How so for you?

[CyberCubed]

52 episodes is still a pretty decent run. Nick gave it a chance to stretch its legs so to speak.

[IndigoErth]

To be honest, I'm a huge Raphael fan, he's my most favorite fictional character of all time, and him being the leader of the TMNT rubs me the wrong way as well.
Yay, someone gets me. Same for me with Leo, most favorite ever. Sure, there's others (non-TMNT) I've liked to some degree over time, but no one comes close to this guy in all of my 40 years. :tcool:

While I have begrudgingly [not really quite] accepted Raph stealing Leo's job this go around (as throwing his normal personality and who he just normally is under the bus is a lot worse issue for me), it's stupid that they really haven't even made it matter. The thing they've done most with Raph as leader is just...repeatedly tell us that he is.




Side note... while this one seems to be slowly fading, even just today while stocking the greeting cards at one of the stores I do I got more in of a 2012 version TMNT kid b-day card. Go figure. Maybe they still have a lot, or maybe it sells good enough to continue keeping the license for it? Has a 2018 copyright, while that series was already over by then and 'Rise' starting.

[The Great Saiyaman]

Yay, someone gets me. Same for me with Leo, most favorite ever. Sure, there's others (non-TMNT) I've liked to some degree over time, but no one comes close to this guy in all of my 40 years. :tcool:

While I have begrudgingly [not really quite] accepted Raph stealing Leo's job this go around (as throwing his normal personality and who he just normally is under the bus is a lot worse issue for me), it's stupid that they really haven't even made it matter. The thing they've done most with Raph as leader is just...repeatedly tell us that he is.

The way I saw it was that in "Rise" we basically had the Raphael from the 2012 series' episode "New Girl in town" if he had succeeded in taking over the leadership role.

Because...

Mikey: Wow, we're totally losing!
Raph: Really, I hadn't noticed.
Mikey: Then get your head back into the game, you're supposed to be the LEADER!

Almost every scene during the fight against Snakeweed had the others reminding Raph that he leads the team.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I thought he meant Tom Holland who is Spiderman and I got confused.

Holland is a region in the Netherlands, and somehow the name Holland has ended up as another name for the entire country.

[Warhorse]

How so for you?

I don't know if this makes sense or not, but Raphael's whole personality screams as a devil's advocate, but because of that impatient, angry side of him, he doesn't quite have what it takes to be a leader everyone can look up to. At the same time, Leo does have that perfect disposition and respect from his brothers to be the ideal leader, but because he is so in sync with his personal harmony, I can never see someone like him being a devil's advocate.



Yay, someone gets me. Same for me with Leo, most favorite ever. Sure, there's others (non-TMNT) I've liked to some degree over time, but no one comes close to this guy in all of my 40 years. :tcool:
It's a combination of situations that kept the love alive. Main thing, while everyone in my life liked either Superman or Batman, this was a character that came out during my childhood, and stuck around for all of these years so it made keeping him a favorite easy. If there was a character back then that could challenge Raphael's top spot, it would have to be Thirty Thirty from the short running show BraveStarr.

While I have begrudgingly [not really quite] accepted Raph stealing Leo's job this go around (as throwing his normal personality and who he just normally is under the bus is a lot worse issue for me), it's stupid that they really haven't even made it matter. The thing they've done most with Raph as leader is just...repeatedly tell us that he is.

You have more patience than me. I personally couldn't get into the show because I just didn't care for the animation look. Even then, I understand how frustrating it is to see characters not progress. These show runners need to understand that the TMNT franchise fairs better when it's treated more like Harry Potter than something like South Park.




Side note... while this one seems to be slowly fading, even just today while stocking the greeting cards at one of the stores I do I got more in of a 2012 version TMNT kid b-day card. Go figure. Maybe they still have a lot, or maybe it sells good enough to continue keeping the license for it? Has a 2018 copyright, while that series was already over by then and 'Rise' starting.

I won't be surprised that Nick or whoever is in charge at the time, was using every means possible to squash the 2012 show so as to promote their new thing. I also noticed that happening with youtube in the past, when looking for anything TMNT, anything tied with whatever was new would be front and center, while trying to find anything to the 2003 or 80's renditions were not so easily found, even if the view count was very high.

Funny enough, my favorite TMNT MV was about 2003 Leonardo, to the song "Numb" from Linkin Park. I think it was called The Prodigal Son. Shame, it was on youtube for 8 years until finally copyright censors took it off. :cry:

[Mysticwarrior7]

Yes, I totally agree. In every other version of TMNT Leo was the leader. It was a big blow to see that in "Rise" they made Raph the leader.

[shredder orokusaki]

New episodes are coming soon you need to wait. They dont need to show the same episodes each day or each weekend they are waiting for the next episodes and they will show them then.

[IndigoErth]

I personally couldn't get into the show because I just didn't care for the animation look.
This doesn't appeal to you?? :sick:

https://i.imgur.com/pgAnJGB.gif

:lol: I mean, really... god damn....

There are spots where the animation looks decent enough, I guess, but there is so much of it that is sooo lacking. Assuming you jumped ship way before that ep the gif is from... see, the sad thing here is that while that may be a gif and one might fairly think it is the result of fewer frames like many gifs, that part of that ep literally looks exactly like that. There are so few unique frames in that piece, consisting on many repeats, I had a hard time hitting the print screen button in the right timing in the video to even get them. It's just such a wonderfully, fabulously disgusting example of why the TMNT should maybe not be shoehorned into being like all the other current cartoon trends. I know there are those that like it, and to each their own... but it's just not a good look for our boys. (I imagine any other Leo and Raph would possibly be mortified to even see this...)

[Warhorse]

This doesn't appeal to you?? :sick:

https://i.imgur.com/pgAnJGB.gif

:lol: I mean, really... god damn....

There are spots where the animation looks decent enough, I guess, but there is so much of it that is sooo lacking. Assuming you jumped ship way before that ep the gif is from... see, the sad thing here is that while that may be a gif and one might fairly think it is the result of fewer frames like many gifs, that part of that ep literally looks exactly like that. There are so few unique frames in that piece, consisting on many repeats, I had a hard time hitting the print screen button in the right timing in the video to even get them. It's just such a wonderfully, fabulously disgusting example of why the TMNT should maybe not be shoehorned into being like all the other current cartoon trends. I know there are those that like it, and to each their own... but it's just not a good look for our boys. (I imagine any other Leo and Raph would possibly be mortified to even see this...)

Hey, aesthetics can make all the difference in the world. I love the live action versions of the TMNT with the Jim Henson puppets, but then the third installment and the Next Mutation, as well as loving 2k3 but not like Fast Forward.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I don't know if this makes sense or not, but Raphael's whole personality screams as a devil's advocate, but because of that impatient, angry side of him, he doesn't quite have what it takes to be a leader everyone can look up to. At the same time, Leo does have that perfect disposition and respect from his brothers to be the ideal leader, but because he is so in sync with his personal harmony, I can never see someone like him being a devil's advocate.

I see. How do you feel about FW Raphael since his personality was radically changed in that show? Some compare Rise Leo to that version of Raph (debatable).

[PApagreg]

This doesn't appeal to you?? :sick:

https://i.imgur.com/pgAnJGB.gif

:lol: I mean, really... god damn....

There are spots where the animation looks decent enough, I guess, but there is so much of it that is sooo lacking. Assuming you jumped ship way before that ep the gif is from... see, the sad thing here is that while that may be a gif and one might fairly think it is the result of fewer frames like many gifs, that part of that ep literally looks exactly like that. There are so few unique frames in that piece, consisting on many repeats, I had a hard time hitting the print screen button in the right timing in the video to even get them. It's just such a wonderfully, fabulously disgusting example of why the TMNT should maybe not be shoehorned into being like all the other current cartoon trends. I know there are those that like it, and to each their own... but it's just not a good look for our boys. (I imagine any other Leo and Raph would possibly be mortified to even see this...)

I will never understand how that gif gives you so much trouble its just a goofy and funny gag that in context to the story actually make sense. As for repeating frames again its just a 5 second gif there isn't that much repeating going around compared to other cartoons from the 80s/90 also its not even the first show to have the turtles making funny faces the 2k12 turtles were guilty of this too. I don't know maybe its because I grew up with shows like Courage the Cowardly dog, Catdog and Looney Tunes I'm more use to it because for me this is just a light gag that I can't see anyone being troubled by.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, context. The Turtles have no more business being Catdog than Superman has being Spongebob, even if Spongebob is itself usually enjoyable.

[PApagreg]

Eh TMNT has been pretty much else so Catdog isn't far too off.

[Warhorse]

I see. How do you feel about FW Raphael since his personality was radically changed in that show? Some compare Rise Leo to that version of Raph (debatable).

FW Raphael was the sarcastic azzhole of the bunch, and I loved him for it. And with that said, he still wouldn't exactly make the best leader. Even then, is he really all that different from later incarnations? Heck, even in the 80's toon when interrogating Baxter, it was still Raphael that got him to talk by threatening to use his sai on him.


And I never did watch Rise to get a feel of the characters.

[ABrown]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Q73lVIiZwafJ6tIErc/giphy.gif

[Vegeta]

Glad to see this show is dead so quickly. Worst version of the turtles, right up there with those stupid Platinum Dunes movies and NM. This franchise feels completley lost other than IDW which is a shame with comic book properties being bigger than ever in film/shows.

[ZariusTwo]

Glad to see this show is dead so quickly. Worst version of the turtles, right up there with those stupid Platinum Dunes movies and NM. This franchise feels completley lost other than IDW which is a shame with comic book properties being bigger than ever in film/shows.

Yeah, the real MVPs of the franchise the last couple of years have been the comic book crossovers with the Power Rangers and Batman (which translated well to direct-to-video) as well as the IDW title in general. It even got people excited for a female Turtle again. If you focus more on that it's been a worthwhile distraction, though you still wish success of it's kind would translate to television

It also has a sizable following on Twitter(with the creator of Hazbin Hotel singing its praise https://twitter.com/VivziePop/status/1207862062858289154) in fact the ladder scene is what made me give this show another chance and I'm glad I did. Also fun fact its has the 8th highest place on the TMNT subreddit with a flair in animation.

Tumblr, Twitter and reddit are not places I'd brag about.

[shredder orokusaki]

it is not canceled it just takes a very long break. Another show who is also doing that is Scooby doo and guess who https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooby-Doo_and_Guess_Who%3F See how long it takes until the next episode airs? While Bat woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman_(TV_series)#Episodes has only one month break.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

it is not canceled it just takes a very long break. Another show who is also doing that is Scooby doo and guess who https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooby-Doo_and_Guess_Who%3F See how long it takes until the next episode airs? While Bat woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman_(TV_series)#Episodes has only one month break.

The 2012–2017 Nickelodeon TMNT cartoon would usually air episodes weekly for one month, then go on vacation for one month. No new episodes aired during December (except season 1 airing into mid December 2012)

One of the longest breaks lasted from November 2016 until February 2017 (with some episodes airing in South Korea, where Christmas is no big thing, in December 2016)

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/listings/

[shredder orokusaki]

The 2012–2017 Nickelodeon TMNT cartoon would usually air episodes weekly for one month, then go on vacation for one month. No new episodes aired during December (except season 1 airing into mid December 2012)

One of the longest breaks lasted from November 2016 until February 2017 (with some episodes airing in South Korea, where Christmas is no big thing, in December 2016)

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/listings/
We know all of this see? This happend many times with many tv shows.

[The Great Saiyaman]

it is not canceled it just takes a very long break. Another show who is also doing that is Scooby doo and guess who https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooby-Doo_and_Guess_Who%3F See how long it takes until the next episode airs? While Bat woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman_(TV_series)#Episodes has only one month break.

On the Dutch Nicktoons however, that's not the way they do things. They usually do reruns of the first season until the new episodes have been overdubbed and released.

This time, NO reruns, no promo spots, not even a single mention of the show having aired at all.

[CyberCubed]

Tumblr, Twitter and reddit are not places I'd brag about.

While I would agree, these days forums everywhere are dying and most people moved to all those places or youtube. It's where the fandom for almost anything is now.

[IndigoErth]

Although the median age bracket of Tumblr is what? I'm not sure that it really reflects the entire fanbase and more commonly a particular younger section of it? So it may not really explain where most of the old ones went if forums are no the thing anymore.

Twitter... maybe some older ones rely on it, but I'm guessing the format is better support for casuals. And with things like that the norm now, many just don't seem to have the patience or attention span for actual conversation anymore, which is a shame.

Reddit... from what I've seen lurking it sometimes, it surprises me how often users seem clueless about things we here had already long known about, so Reddit likewise in part seems a little more casual centered than here, though unlike other sources it seems like a mix of maybe semi-casuals and more serious fans...or growing fans.

I dunno, my guess is that a lot of the older main fanbase is just made up of busy adults these days that may just lurk a lot more than they interact. (Plus this place can be hard to get into, so...)

Note, I'm not discounting the younger section as less valuable as fans, just that I know that half of them (particularly in the Tumblr subset) are bound to wander off eventually.


I doubt forums will cease to exist for a long time though. There's always going to be those like us who actually want to discuss things, and short attention span platforms like Twitter are never going to be adequate.




Anyway... back to the real topic, if Nicktoons Holland really did pull the plug, then would they not even show the rest of the second season?

[sdp]

By median age of tumblr do you mean biologically or mentally?

[The Great Saiyaman]

Anyway... back to the real topic, if Nicktoons Holland really did pull the plug, then would they not even show the rest of the second season?
The last airing of ROTTMNT on Nicktoons Holland was in the final weekend of 2019. I guess their thinking was "This hasn't worked, we'll air it one last time and when the new year starts drop it."

What's interesting though is that the 2012 series is not only in re-runs on Nicktoons Holland but also is aired three times a day, which was more often than Rise was ever shown.

Ratings are everything here.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The last airing of ROTTMNT on Nicktoons Holland was in the final weekend of 2019. I guess their thinking was "This hasn't worked, we'll air it one last time and when the new year starts drop it."

What's interesting though is that the 2012 series is not only in re-runs on Nicktoons Holland but also is aired three times a day, which was more often than Rise was ever shown.

Ratings are everything here.

Nickelodeon Sweden at least completed season 1.

https://www.tv.nu/program/rise-of-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles

[IndigoErth]

The last airing of ROTTMNT on Nicktoons Holland was in the final weekend of 2019. I guess their thinking was "This hasn't worked, we'll air it one last time and when the new year starts drop it."

What's interesting though is that the 2012 series is not only in re-runs on Nicktoons Holland but also is aired three times a day, which was more often than Rise was ever shown.

Ratings are everything here.
Wow, at least someone still puts 2012 on. I rarely come across it now here. I hadn't expected it to disappear quite the way it has, but maybe they're just trying to force all the attention onto 'Rise.'

I do feel for 'Rise' fans if that branch of Nicktoons doesn't even bother to complete the season, but I guess a country that still cares about ratings ditching it says a lot.

By median age of tumblr do you mean biologically or mentally?
Ouch, fair point. :tlol:

[shredder orokusaki]

While I would agree, these days forums everywhere are dying and most people moved to all those places or youtube. It's where the fandom for almost anything is now.

While youtube and twitter are the most popular places for companies to announce their new products and evryone can talk with evryone at any time e.t.c. forums will never dissapear. Forums existed long before youtube and twitter. I have twitter since it was created and youtube too but just because they became huge dosent mean people will stop writing on forums! Also there is almost each month a new scandal(mostly about privacy and personal data) involving facebook and/or youtube and twitter it is just a matter of time until all goverments worldwide block the access to these sites and shutdown them.

[Vicky82]

Here in the UK, Nickelodeon are airing new episodes at 4am. They don't seem to airing repeats either.

[IndigoErth]

Was 4am a typo? :teek: If that's for real, who the heck do they think would be watching new eps of anything at 4 in the morning?? o.O

[Vicky82]

Was 4am a typo? :teek: If that's for real, who the heck do they think would be watching new eps of anything at 4 in the morning?? o.O

Nope not a typo, it is 4am.

https://digiguide.tv/show-times/1281664/Rise-of-the-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles/Childrens/

[Technogeek29]

Nope not a typo, it is 4am.

https://digiguide.tv/show-times/1281664/Rise-of-the-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles/Childrens/

Wow, openly murdering the show.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Nope not a typo, it is 4am.

https://digiguide.tv/show-times/1281664/Rise-of-the-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles/Childrens/

They haven't even updated the images from the 2012–2017 Nickelodeon TMNT cartoon to Rise of the TMNT.

[Klunk1234]

The 2018 TMNT deserves to be along with Next Mutation as one of the worst incarnations. If this has been cancelled, then good riddance.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

http://nickalive.blogspot.com/2020/02/nickelodeon-removes-rise-of-teenage.html?m=1

The show is being removed from both Nickelodeon and Nicktoons globally.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

So if this is indeed the end of Rise, could the Netflix movie be sort of a grand send off/finale?

[newfan]

Just looking at the link, I'm wondering if it's just that there is yet no schedule in these places rather than officially dropped. Like they are happy to air them much later. I know we were usually at least a month behind on the last show in season 5...though apparently we got season 4's finale before you guys? As for the finale arc, it was something like 6 months after the show ended, I didn't think they were going to bother airing.
4am airing seems weird though, glad they didn't do that with the last show.

[IndigoErth]

What episodes were these countries up to? If they were behind, I'm wondering if they just simply got caught up and then decided to not bother with repeats and are waiting on any new ones rather than having pulled the series completely?

Plus that absurd 4am time slot... maybe it would just make more sense now to move the whole thing to Netflix and the Nick app (I assume they still have it on the app?), including whatever new ones they have sitting around waiting on a hiatus that's just giving it time to be forgotten and wind up dead in the water before it ends.

As much as this one has gotten the mental side-eye from me, it would still be a shame for it not to finish up its second season at least and show us what their ultimate intentions were for it story-wise.

[Autbot_Benz]

http://nickalive.blogspot.com/2020/02/nickelodeon-removes-rise-of-teenage.html?m=1

The show is being removed from both Nickelodeon and Nicktoons globally.

https://i.imgur.com/rVwNI8U.gif

The End is Nigh

[MikeandRaph87]

https://i.imgur.com/rVwNI8U.gif

The End is Nigh

Don't tell me this incarnation gets you Benz out of shape. That is why it is good to have two incarnations going concurrently with IDW still going strong.

[lonewarrior20]

4am outside nickelodeon studios
E6s2vWZjOQo

[Powder]

https://i.imgur.com/rVwNI8U.gif

The End is Nigh

https://connectthedotblog.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/for_rent_free.jpg?w=318&h=179

[TommyT]

I believe this would be my cue for:

http://tenor.com/view/colbert-report-stephen-colbert-itold-you-so-itold-you-gif-5391539.gif

https://i1.wp.com/www.votersopinion.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/I-told-you-so2.jpg?ssl=1

Yeah, couldn’t decide which I liked more.

[shredder orokusaki]

But at least i hurted lot of people and caused lot of damage to the city and the turltes wasnt able to do anything to stop me! At least i did that! Now what next? A serious series like the 2003 2012 and IDW? That what must happen to be succesful again!

[MikeandRaph87]

What the next move be for TMNT on the small screen if it does indeed end with a drawn out season 2?

Did the announcement of a straight to Netflix animated film mention that it would be Rise of the TMNT or can be an original or focus on a previous incarnation?

[TommyT]

What the next move be for TMNT on the small screen if it does indeed end with a drawn out season 2?

Did the announcement of a straight to Netflix animated film mention that it would be Rise of the TMNT or can be an original or focus on a previous incarnation?

It's all been canned. Expect a quiet few years.

[IndigoErth]

Did the announcement of a straight to Netflix animated film mention that it would be Rise of the TMNT or can be an original or focus on a previous incarnation?
Everything I've run across that mentioned it always said it was for 'Rise.' Though that's a bit awkward now if the series is bombing...

[CyberCubed]

weird the series didn't even last 2 years. It debuted in 2018 and by 2020 it's already over. They'll probably just burn through the unaired episodes all in a row at some point.

[Leo656]

When the strongest argument for it from the beginning was, "It's for little kids, you're not supposed to have an opinion on it," the writing was already on the wall.

Given how most of the people who liked it were in fact middle-aged adults themselves, that line was always highly questionable, to me. The unspoken full sentence was, "If you HATE it, you have no right to an opinion because it's just for little kids anyway, but if you LIKE it then there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a middle-aged adult who has strong opinions about kids' cartoons." And that just seemed really wacky. Like, it's okay to have an opinion as long as it's positive, otherwise you're a loser with misplaced priorities.

I'm on record, I won't miss it. We'll see what the next re-re-reboot brings us. Although I'm not super-excited for that, either.

[Autbot_Benz]

Also this is the first Turtles show to have its Figure line dropped by Playmates in favor of "classic stuff" the toyline did just as bad as the show did.

[TommyT]

I have it straight from the horses mouth.

They are going quiet on Turtles for the foreseeable future. It's the plan at Nick.
Some rumblings that they may even sell it to DC.

[The Great Saiyaman]

When the strongest argument for it from the beginning was, "It's for little kids, you're not supposed to have an opinion on it," the writing was already on the wall.

Given how most of the people who liked it were in fact middle-aged adults themselves, that line was always highly questionable, to me. The unspoken full sentence was, "If you HATE it, you have no right to an opinion because it's just for little kids anyway, but if you LIKE it then there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a middle-aged adult who has strong opinions about kids' cartoons." And that just seemed really wacky. Like, it's okay to have an opinion as long as it's positive, otherwise you're a loser with misplaced priorities.
The plots of the later episodes (Such as a pre-mutation Master Splinter having been in a relationship with Big Mama) were clearly aimed at a more adult audience anyway.

I wonder what Nickelodeon thinks of being "A little kids audience" anyway?

I'm on record, I won't miss it. We'll see what the next re-re-reboot brings us. Although I'm not super-excited for that, either.
When that first preview picture of "Rise" showed up the general consensus was "It's too soon." They had a MASSIVE hit with the 2012 series and that series was still airing when "Rise" was being put forward.

They shot themselves in the Foot when not giving it the time to let the dust settle. They should at least have waited a full year before bringing it out.

The fact that both series aired side by side (At least in my country) also was more nails in the coffin.

[MikeandRaph87]

Also this is the first Turtles show to have its Figure line dropped by Playmates in favor of "classic stuff" the toyline did just as bad as the show did.

I sat out picking up the figures preferring Neca's 2 pack. I don't go through the toy aisles. Did the Rise line really get pulled? Has there been a press release stating that?

[CyberCubed]

I have it straight from the horses mouth.

They are going quiet on Turtles for the foreseeable future. It's the plan at Nick.
Some rumblings that they may even sell it to DC.

Lol, DC isn’t going to buy TMNT. I also doubt Nick is going to sell the property when they’ve owned it less than a decade so far.

[Autbot_Benz]

I sat out picking up the figures preferring Neca's 2 pack. I don't go through the toy aisles. Did the Rise line really get pulled? Has there been a press release stating that?

From the Ninja Pizza Facebook page
TMNT fan and toy collector Vaughn Michael (@collector.13 on Instagram) contacted Playmates Toys, asking about the future of the Rise of the TMNT toy line. The response he received was surprisingly forthcoming, stating that there will be NO Rise of the TMNT toys in the new year, and that they will instead be focusing on "classic" TMNT.

https://scontent.fams2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/69220758_10157680805427460_7907194324201242624_o.j pg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQmDiLCEzs7ShNWNnThnek7DDZNHm3YIcHMLgAMoQFl 2HSEXvCa8Zh1B9XkdOritmZo&_nc_ht=scontent.fams2-1.fna&oh=6a9b67cb098a70d7e7b2541546e4f160&oe=5E532457

here you go

[TommyT]

Lol, DC isn’t going to buy TMNT. I also doubt Nick is going to sell the property when they’ve owned it less than a decade so far.

Nick is now CBS. Turtles has been squeezed, and is fallow now. They lost millions on Rise, the market is shifting.

You may be a fan, but I am a player.

[IndigoErth]

"If you HATE it, you have no right to an opinion because it's just for little kids anyway, but if you LIKE it then there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a middle-aged adult who has strong opinions about kids' cartoons."
Brutal honesty, right there.

I mean, I don't care if some like a thing I don't. But it's not okay for either side of that kind of argument to expect an echo chamber that allows only opinions that match theirs. And sure, plenty of adults who don't like it have a strong opinion on a kid's show, too, but with a franchise this old that could benefit from not ignoring the older fanbase who has loved it long term, it's a bit hard not to have an opinion to some extent on how our green buds are being handled.

The plots of the later episodes (Such as a pre-mutation Master Splinter having been in a relationship with Big Mama) were clearly aimed at a more adult audience anyway.
And that's part of its problem to begin with (aside from the detested ideas/changes it made), is that this just feels like a series that hasn't really known what it actually wants to be.

You want to be a series that focuses on one-shot episodes, fine, but don't tease an arc that you're only going to spend 10% of the series on; instead maybe just stick to one-shots that are a full half hour long so there is time enough for something that was worth watching. You want to be a series for little kids, then make the Turtles actually seem younger. Because they really don't, they just seem stupider; yet visually look older than the 2012 set, imo.




Ultimately, I'm not going to believe this thing is done until there is something official about that or the second season runs out, since right now it's all hearsay and based on scheduling choices which Nick tends to be stupid about anyhow. Maybe the 2nd got the plug pulled early and won't finish being made(?), but there's undoubtedly unaired episodes left sitting there collecting dust for whatever reason. Just put them on already and get it over with. Pulling the band aid off this slow isn't going to do it any good.

If they insisted on a new series that soon... personally, I've have still loved to see a 2D one that directly or roughly was a continuation of 2012 with a new art style and Turtles who were a bit older at that point. That might have gone over well. But 'Rise' was too abrupt of a change too soon.

[AquaParade]

Nick is now CBS. Turtles has been squeezed, and is fallow now. They lost millions on Rise, the market is shifting.

You may be a fan, but I am a player.

Dude, that line is cringe.

But I’m really interested in what you have to share, even if we just heard the extent of it. It’s only fair for people to question you, until we’ve seen some type of confirmation, but for now I appreciate the possibility of getting inside info. Thanks.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Dude, that line is cringe.

Yeah, I have to agree. Seriously!

I know I made a topic of whether DC or Marvel should buy TMNT but looking back now, I'm not so sure. Unless DC would pay hefty amounts of money but even that seems farfetched for the time being.

[TommyT]

Dude, that line is cringe.

But I’m really interested in what you have to share, even if we just heard the extent of it. It’s only fair for people to question you, until we’ve seen some type of confirmation, but for now I appreciate the possibility of getting inside info. Thanks.

Lol, this whole forum is cringe, just trying to fit in.

Back in October, the decision was made to pull back on Rise, with the rational that Rise had been brought in “too soon”, with 2012 being still warm, and not quite in the rear view. Nothing magical or interesting here, aside from the group think that the problem with Rise was it’s timing, with nobody admitting fault anywhere else, despite knowing looks.

The production staff blame you, the fans, much like some members here, of not being open to something new, and in their view “better”.
They are now convinced that the public needs a break, so it will be a while before they move forward on a new linear.

Meanwhile, a new game is imminent.

[Leo656]

I can certainly believe most to all of that, but frankly I think DC has enough of their own problems without taking on any new ones.

Like Star Wars, TMNT has definitely taken a few lumps over the past decade thanks to a combination of oversaturation and bad decisions by "corporate", and is therefore now a damaged brand even though it remains popular and familiar. But it would be a questionable decision for DC to try and acquire it in my opinion. It might be a little tarnished but it would still cost a fortune and DC is eternally in cost-cutting mode, even when their business is good, which it isn't right now.

Stranger things have happened and I definitely wouldn't be mad about it, but that part just seems unlikely to me. Rise being cancelled and the whole franchise being put on a shelf to cool off for 5+ years while they just pump out toys based on older, more popular versions of the Turtles in order to keep a little money coming in, though, yeah that's almost definitely what's going to happen. I just don't see DC buying it, or even wanting to.

[TommyT]

That’s everything I know, aside from some whispers about what Jennika was actual supposed to be, but most of the Jennika stuff is second hand.

TMNT/Batman was a weather balloon, and it’s popularity helped discussion gain a foothold.

Tom knows what I’m talking about. Game that’s in dev is via Konami.

[Leo656]

Well, I can believe that as well. The Batman cross-over was quite a surprise and it wouldn't shock me if some conversations did take place over the course of the project(s), but I'd still be pretty shocked to see it actually happen.

Don't get me wrong, though, I definitely wouldn't complain. We'd be one giant step closer to the big TMNT/He-Man cross-over that absolutely nobody but me would want or care about. :tgrin:

[TommyT]

Well, I can believe that as well. The Batman cross-over was quite a surprise and it wouldn't shock me if some conversations did take place over the course of the project(s), but I'd still be pretty shocked to see it actually happen.

Don't get me wrong, though, I definitely wouldn't complain. We'd be one giant step closer to the big TMNT/He-Man cross-over that absolutely nobody but me would want or care about. :tgrin:

How would that work? I want the daredevil turtles cross first.

[IndigoErth]

The production staff blame you, the fans
Well that would be ironic. Given their aim of targeting a new generation of kids. Only have themselves to blame if they failed on that front.


Don't get me wrong, though, I definitely wouldn't complain. We'd be one giant step closer to the big TMNT/He-Man cross-over that absolutely nobody but me would want or care about. :tgrin:
I dunno, I have a friend who is a bit of a He-Man fan, so I'd be in support of a good crossover we could both geek out on together. :)

[TommyT]

Well that would be ironic. Given their aim of targeting a new generation of kids. Only have themselves to blame if they failed on that front.

Obviously, I agree with you. They think we’re a bunch of fools who don’t appreciate their amazing art. Big egos.

[Chris]

If Nick did end up selling to DC it may be good for older fans.

After the success of Joker, and if Birds of Prey does well, then WB may be open to a more adult/Mirage inspired movie. The flip side of that is that DC's films can be very hit or miss and WB is notoriously bad at taking a risk unless others have already proved it can work. And if it fails that will likely be it until a director approaches them with a vision they like (see Superman).

Even if they didn't do that for the big screen there's a very big chance we'd get them in animated form with direct to DVD movies. This is the most exciting prospect of a sale to DC/WB.

New animated series would be almost certain. Tone depends if they put in on Cartoon Network or DC Universe (or HBOMax since DC Universe seems to be dying).

Best guess would be we'd get a series aimed at kids for CN and then some direct to DVD animated movies aimed at older fans (hopefully Mirage or IDW inspired). Film I could see going either way. I imagine they'd try and find a middle ground, ideally like the first film but that may be wishful thinking.

Given the two films Paramount put out and the rapid decline of Rise, this would almost certainly be an improvement. Not that there's anything stopping Nick doing animated films aimed at older fans, or the next movies and cartoons having a better creative direction.

The biggest loser would be the comics. You would never get a run like IDW's over at DC. Hopefully they'd keep the TMNT as their own separate universe if it did happen. The Batman crossovers were fun but I don't need the TMNT as part of the Teen Titans on a regular basis. And I just don't want IDW's run cut short.

[SaurusX]

Unless DC would pay hefty amounts of money but even that seems farfetched for the time being.

DC is circling the drain as it is. Mommy AT&T could very well pull the plug on THEM at any moment, so they're busy trying to justify their own existence through their current IP's (of which they have not been doing a great job). I doubt DC has the cash or inclination to take a risk on something different right now.

[CyberCubed]

There’s very likely a sequel to the Batman/TMNT crossover movie being made. But beyond that likely nothing else. The comic crossovers with Batman are done too with the most recent one pretty much wrapping everything up and DC calling it the conclusion of the trilogy.

[PApagreg]

Brutal honesty, right there.

And that's part of its problem to begin with (aside from the detested ideas/changes it made), is that this just feels like a series that hasn't really known what it actually wants to be.

You want to be a series that focuses on one-shot episodes, fine, but don't tease an arc that you're only going to spend 10% of the series on; instead maybe just stick to one-shots that are a full half hour long so there is time enough for something that was worth watching.

It knows exactly what it wants to be, its a light hearted action show with some moments of continuity similar to something like KND or Adventure Time also its definitely more than 10% I know you're probably exaggerating though, another thing is that the run time is fine for this series I mean do you really want 22 minutes of "Mind Meld" or "Todd Scouts" not every episode needs to be half an hour.




Well that would be ironic. Given their aim of targeting a new generation of kids. Only have themselves to blame if they failed on that front.)

Not really in terms of views Rise did good but Nick is known for treating their IPs bad if it doesn't meet with the "Sponge" standard.

[lonewarrior20]

I wonder how insane tmnt vs teen titans go would be. You know they'd make it if dc did buy them.

[AquaParade]

Definitely a thread-worthy topic if anyone can vouch for TommyT.

Again, no offense Tommy, you know how it goes. How much info can you give regarding your source?

[IndigoErth]

Oh nothing is ever going to meet or exceed the "Sponge standard," even if a show is better. That just can't be allowed. At least not until Nick finally moves on from it... in like 50 years.

[Vicky82]

If DC does buy TMNT.

Will IDW will able to continue the comic book series
I want TMNT to be there own thing, not have a crossover with all the DC characters all the time, only do it for specials.
Hopefully a mature animated series/animated movie DVD specials or a mature live action series
A decent Live action movie, hopefully Paramount/Platinum Dunes won't be involved.

[IndigoErth]

A film company other than Platinum Dunes would be a plus at least.

Though I'd worry about the Turtles getting lost in a sea of other characters should a company like DC ever buy them. With the little bit of a "friendship" they seem to have developed, I've wondered if DC might one day take them on, but I'd rather see them remain as just guest characters who show up to play in DC products now and then. Funner that way. I'd rather the Turtles remained their own thing detached from the other superhero brands and had the freedom to go play in crossovers with whoever "they" want sometimes.

But if our boys can't get much in the way of decent live action films of their own, it would be cool to see them get to join in a DC one.


Side note, I sort of envy the people who may see them enter public domain someday, belonging to no one and everyone and free for anyone to create works (beyond just fan stuff). (Though an expired copyright might mean they'd been forgotten so I guess that's got a down side.)

[LeotheLateBloomer]

do you really want 22 minutes of "Mind Meld" or "Todd Scouts"

Not at all!

I want TMNT to be there own thing, not have a crossover with all the DC characters all the time, only do it for specials.
Hopefully a mature animated series/animated movie DVD specials or a mature live action series
A decent Live action movie, hopefully Paramount/Platinum Dunes won't be involved.

A film company other than Platinum Dunes would be a plus at least.

Though I'd worry about the Turtles getting lost in a sea of other characters should a company like DC ever buy them. With the little bit of a "friendship" they seem to have developed, I've wondered if DC might one day take them on, but I'd rather see them remain as just guest characters who show up to play in DC products now and then. Funner that way. I'd rather the Turtles remained their own thing detached from the other superhero brands and had the freedom to go play in crossovers with whoever "they" want sometimes.

But if our boys can't get much in the way of decent live action films of their own, it would be cool to see them get to join in a DC one.


Side note, I sort of envy the people who may see them enter public domain someday, belonging to no one and everyone and free for anyone to create works (beyond just fan stuff). (Though an expired copyright might mean they'd been forgotten so I guess that's got a down side.)

Pretty much agree with both of these.

[CyberCubed]

DC is not going to buy TMNT. And yes, the IDW comic would 100% be canceled in the unlikely event it happened, with DC making their own TMNT universe.

[TommyT]

If you want real gossip, the latest is that DC itself may fold into Disney, with a Merger of DC and Marvel.

Sounds absurd, but I've heard this twice in the last two weeks. Hard to imagine, but it's apparently only DC, and their IP's.

I'll share more if I hear it.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

If you want real gossip, the latest is that DC itself may fold into Disney, with a Merger of DC and Marvel.

Sounds absurd, but I've heard this twice in the last two weeks. Hard to imagine, but it's apparently only DC, and their IP's.

I'll share more if I hear it.

Who do you think you are, the Vergeben of the Technodrome?

[TommyT]

I have inside dirt, you want me to keep it to myself?

Would love to know if anyone else has heard about this acquisition.
The firs person who told me, it slipped out.

[Chris]

Sorry TommyT, this is nothing against you personally but I just can't see that as credible.

Viacom selling TMNT to AT&T/WB/DC is questionable but I could at least see it in as an out there possibility. Disney buying DC just isn't happening. Even if AT&T/WB are (currently) terrible at exploiting them, they know the DC IPs are a goldmine. They screwed up putting Snyder in charge but then they turned round and made a billion each on Aquaman and Joker. Just yesterday they announced that DC Films would be making movies for HBOMax. They're not going to giftwrap them and sell them to the competition. Plus I'm no legal expert but I'm sure monopoly laws would likely come into play as well if DC and Marvel were under one roof.

[CyberCubed]

Who do you think you are, the Vergeben of the Technodrome?

I'm still waiting for Skull Kid and Dixie Kong. Any day now.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'd much rather other comic companies like Dark Horse, Image, Valiant, etc. buy the rights if Viacom were to sell it.

[Leo656]

I'd much rather other comic companies like Dark Horse, Image, Valiant, etc. buy the rights if Viacom were to sell it.


If they ALL pooled their money, they might have a shot at it. Otherwise I don't see it.

If Nick paid like $60 million then I can't see them letting go of it for much less. I mean if anything they've increased the dollars-and-cents value of the brand over what it was ten years ago, even if the overall reputation has taken a hit. I'd have to check but I'm almost positive that the TMNT brand has brought in more profits between 2010 and 2020 than it did between 2000 and 2010, so if anything Nick would probably ask for more than what they paid, citing how they "saved" it by making it more profitable even if critical reception has been mixed.

I don't see Dark Horse or the others having that kinda cash sitting around. They also wouldn't have the luxury of an entire multimedia empire like Nick; what's their track record with launching, managing and sustaining TV shows, movies, and toys on the level of what Nick has done with TMNT? Comic books are one thing, but TMNT is a "brand" that has a lot of moving parts in other areas; that leaves Nick, Disney/Marvel, and DC/WB as the only ones truly fit to be "caretakers" on the level of what would be required.

That's how I see it, anyway.

[IndigoErth]

With their acquiring CBS though, and striking up deals with Netflix, it would be foolish of Viacom to just want to drop them and sell that soon anyhow without even bothering to test the waters first on an older market and see if that might do it for them.

[TommyT]

Sorry TommyT, this is nothing against you personally but I just can't see that as credible.



Like I said the DC thing I heard twice, two different people. who know really, what is what, but these were people talking as though it was common knowledge, which put me off.

[sdp]

LOL this thread is trash and these rumors are what I'd expect to hear at recess in Elementary School. DC can't buy anything because it's just part of AT&T, and guess what, AT&T is ****ing happy with their purchase of Warner Media (which includes DC under its umbrella), they've specifically put emphasis on Warner Media and DC in their financial reports and have many not so secret projects launching along with HBO Max.

Bottom line:
AT&T isn't buying TMNT from Viacom
Disney is not buying DC from AT&T

At least give some effort in your dumb rumors.

DC is circling the drain as it is. Mommy AT&T could very well pull the plug on THEM at any moment, so they're busy trying to justify their own existence through their current IP's (of which they have not been doing a great job). I doubt DC has the cash or inclination to take a risk on something different right now.
Never gonna happen, AT&T is in love with DC and extremely happy with the Warner Media purchase. If you're talking about DirecTV then yes, they want to pull the plug at any moment.

[TommyT]

LOL this thread is trash and these rumors are what I'd expect to hear at recess in Elementary School. DC can't buy anything because it's just part of AT&T, and guess what, AT&T is ****ing happy with their purchase of Warner Media (which includes DC under its umbrella), they've specifically put emphasis on Warner Media and DC in their financial reports and have many not so secret projects launching along with HBO Max.

Bottom line:
AT&T isn't buying TMNT from Viacom
Disney is not buying DC from AT&T

At least give some effort in your dumb rumors.


Never gonna happen, AT&T is in love with DC and extremely happy with the Warner Media purchase. If you're talking about DirecTV then yes, they want to pull the plug at any moment.


I have legitimate sources, who the **** are you?

[sdp]

https://investors.att.com/

[TommyT]

https://investors.att.com/

Lol. I have a portfolio too. I did say this was insider talk, not announced. I also said I heard it from two sources. Could be gossip, who knows.
The DC thing is not verified, again, just what is floating around. Could be more weather balloons.

The Nick thing, I know for certain. Turtles are benched for the foreseeable future, aside from a konami game.

[IndigoErth]

Can't help the skepticism. Too many people out there these days enjoy peddling dis/misinformation and throwing anything against the wall so that they can claim to have been "right" or appear to know things should something stick.

And, to be honest, your knowledge seems a little unusually broad. So then...what, you know guys at/near the top of the company who often discuss things while you're in the room? You're not afraid your ass will be toast for talking about insider info that isn't announced? And if you're so close to the info, what's the news on that Netflix 'Rise' movie and that next PD film we haven't heard anything more about in a year?

[shredder orokusaki]

Lol. I have a portfolio too. I did say this was insider talk, not announced. I also said I heard it from two sources. Could be gossip, who knows.
The DC thing is not verified, again, just what is floating around. Could be more weather balloons.

The Nick thing, I know for certain. Turtles are benched for the foreseeable future, aside from a konami game.
You mean that they hate me because i beat the turtles all the time and now they will not show my adventures after the hard beating i gave them one month ago?! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_the_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles#Season_2_ (2019%E2%80%93present)

I will become human again and have normal huma foot ninjas to destroy the turtles! Iam the most popular villian. Nick cant stop showing my adventures and fights with the turtles! All the money and popularity nick has now is thanks to me. None of their othe shows is as popular!

[lonewarrior20]

I have legitimate sources, who the **** are you?

are you the guy under the table at 2:00?

dmmg3ewe-84

[TommyT]

Can't help the skepticism. Too many people out there these days enjoy peddling dis/misinformation and throwing anything against the wall so that they can claim to have been "right" or appear to know things should something stick.

And, to be honest, your knowledge seems a little unusually broad. So then...what, you know guys at/near the top of the company who often discuss things while you're in the room? You're not afraid your ass will be toast for talking about insider info that isn't announced? And if you're so close to the info, what's the news on that Netflix 'Rise' movie and that next PD film we haven't heard anything more about in a year?

Alright, fair questions. No, I don’t work at Nick, so no, I’m not concerned about getting in trouble. Yes I know some that do. I’m not breaking any laws or getting anybody in trouble. There is gossip, I’ve decided to share. It’s as broad as gossip usually is.

I don’t have contacts who know Brad Fuller or his team. It’s not being shared right now. There is no Rise feature in production at this time. Plans were made, it’s not moving forward.
I’m of the opinion, right or wrong, that at this point, Turtle fans have been abused, by Michael Bay, by Nick, and by Playmates. I don’t agree with the gatekeepers, so I’m happy to give the fandom a heads up.

[Leo656]

I’m of the opinion, right or wrong, that at this point, Turtle fans have been abused, by Michael Bay, by Nick, and by Playmates.

This is not an opinion.

[TommyT]

This is not an opinion.

I know, but tptb would say, they’re doing all they can to ensure they provide the best product possible.

They don’t get it.

[Leo656]

"They" never do.

Doesn't matter who "They" even is. Nick, WB, Disney... "They" = Team Corporate. And "They" don't get sh*t. Never did, never do, never will.

[The Deadman]

I have legitimate sources, who the **** are you?

You do? Why dont you share them with the class then. If not, don't go around spouting that you have info but wont say where its coming from.

[TommyT]

You do? Why dont you share them with the class then. If not, don't go around spouting that you have info but wont say where its coming from.

Lol. Okay bud. You got the wrong thread, doxing is the next thread over.

[The Great Saiyaman]

Seeing as how this thread went, this piece of Fan art I made for my "Quiet time" comic is fitting.

[shredder orokusaki]

All this proved is that if the 1987 series was made today ti wouldnt be succesful. Rise is much worse than 1987. The next series must be like 2003 2012 and IDW to be succesful. And that will happen and you dont need Tom T to say it from his sources but you all know that soon there wil be another series as dark and serious. as these ones were/are.

[The Deadman]

Lol. Okay bud. You got the wrong thread, doxing is the next thread over.

Imagine thinking posting a source is doxing.

[Cyndaquilfan123]

Lol. I have a portfolio too. I did say this was insider talk, not announced. I also said I heard it from two sources. Could be gossip, who knows.
The DC thing is not verified, again, just what is floating around. Could be more weather balloons.

The Nick thing, I know for certain. Turtles are benched for the foreseeable future, aside from a konami game.

If I may ask, do you know anything else besides this supposed Konami game?

[shredder orokusaki]

It makes you wonder why the Ben 10 2016 cartton which also much more comedy and silly comapred the much darker and serious first 2005 series is on season 4 now while Rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles that is as bad as the current Ben 10 cartoon didnt manage to finish even season 2.

[BlimeyBullhop]

Super Goku

[IndigoErth]

Couldn't help but tell on yourself, huh.

It makes you wonder why the Ben 10 2016 cartton which also much more comedy and silly comapred the much darker and serious first 2005 series is on season 4 now while Rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles that is as bad as the current Ben 10 cartoon didnt manage to finish even season 2.
Just different properties, I guess. And in the Turtles case, a lot more older fans.

[BlimeyBullhop]

Couldn't help but tell on yourself, huh.


Just different properties, I guess. And in the Turtles case, a lot more older fans.

I’ve realized there’s not much here to enjoy anymore. Too much negativity, hate, etc. Sucks the fun out of it.

But you (most of you) people having a heart attack every time I come back is hilarious.

[PApagreg]

It makes you wonder why the Ben 10 2016 cartton which also much more comedy and silly comapred the much darker and serious first 2005 series is on season 4 now while Rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles that is as bad as the current Ben 10 cartoon didnt manage to finish even season 2.

1. Rise is awesome

2.Mostly because the newest Ben 10 is a lot cheaper compared to Rise

[IndigoErth]

But you (most of you) people having a heart attack every time I come back is hilarious.
So you come back because you're bored, proceed to be a boring troll, then out yourself in short time because you're bored. What is there to have a "heart attack" over... it's a boring routine and you seem to read into it what you want. Bye though.




Back in October, the decision was made to pull back on Rise
There is no Rise feature in production at this time. Plans were made, it’s not moving forward.


https://media.netflix.com/en/press-releases/netflix-and-nickelodeon-form-multi-year-output-deal-to-produce-original-animated-films-and-series-for-kids-families-around-the-world
Nov. 13th

Netflix and Nickelodeon today announced that they have formed a new, multi-year output deal to produce original animated feature films and television series... Also forthcoming are specials based on The Loud House and Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

I mean, maybe plans could have since changed in the past almost three months, but if in October they decided to pull back on 'Rise,' then how was a Netflix movie still a part of the equation come that November announcement by Netflix?

[TommyT]

Imagine thinking posting a source is doxing.

Imagine fishing for answers and being denied. then pouting like a child.

I'm kind of tired of defending myself. I don't need you to believe anything I say - but if you want to check my history, I was first to point out that Rise had been cancelled, and I new well in advance what the plan for Jennika was/is.
Rise killed TMNT for the foreseeable future. I'd be more focused on that, and who it was that championed that garbage, and put the brand in a coma.

Glad they got to mock us for two years, totally worth it to put the boys on ice. Yay for shills!

[TommyT]

I mean, maybe plans could have since changed in the past almost three months, but if in October they decided to pull back on 'Rise,' then how was a Netflix movie still a part of the equation come that November announcement by Netflix?

I'd be giving myself away if I gave you more detail. What I can say is, they don't want to upset the applecart pre Christmas sales, if you get my drift. It takes anywhere from 6months to a year to get product to market, especially when you involve manufacture overseas. If they had announced Rise was over, when it WAS over, how would that impact sales for the next two months? Walmart and friends who had bought product would be very, very angry.

[MikeandRaph87]

I'd be giving myself away if I gave you more detail. What I can say is, they don't want to upset the applecart pre Christmas sales, if you get my drift. It takes anywhere from 6months to a year to get product to market, especially when you involve manufacture overseas. If they had announced Rise was over, when it WAS over, how would that impact sales for the next two months? Walmart and friends who had bought product would be very, very angry.

While I agree with your point about the business decision and wanting to milk the money still viable in the product, its hard to believe your insider info. I do hope you can say, "I told you so". Rise is alienating the fanbase and they tried a different direction. Judging by the firing of Biggs and keeping it quiet until the episode that aired the same time the series premiered, it was at the halfway point of the way through production of the second season when the series first hit the airwaves. That being said Biggs firing to appease angry fans and parents was kept quiet so not to produce any more ripples on sales. It also reveals that products are produced a long time in advance before figures come in as if the audience is buying into the direction. Hoping for a better direction and something for everyone next time out.

[TommyT]

While I agree with your point about the business decision and wanting to milk the money still viable in the product, its hard to believe your insider info. I do hope you can say, "I told you so". Rise is alienating the fanbase and they tried a different direction. Judging by the firing of Biggs and keeping it quiet until the episode that aired the same time the series premiered, it was at the halfway point of the way through production of the second season when the series first hit the airwaves. That being said Biggs firing to appease angry fans and parents was kept quiet so not to produce any more ripples on sales. It also reveals that products are produced a long time in advance before figures come in as if the audience is buying into the direction. Hoping for a better direction and something for everyone next time out.


take everything with a grain of salt, sure. They still haven't officially said Rise is over, have they. Unless you're paying close enough attention, it's not obvious.

My bigger concern, is that the blame is being misplaced. This isn't the part I want people to take with a grain of salt.
This is the part where I want you to get angry. I want you to let them know very loudly that TMNT would be FINE, but they F*CKED UP.

The fans need to make it clear that it wasn't "too soon", it was "GARBAGE CONTENT" with "GARBAGE ARTISTS".
when people talk about how great the animation was, they are lying. They are misrepresenting the problem.
The minority of cal arts twits can not be allowed to slink away, shoulders shrugged, or worse, point fingers. They killed the brand, like Bay before them.

[lonewarrior20]

take everything with a grain of salt, sure. They still haven't officially said Rise is over, have they. Unless you're paying close enough attention, it's not obvious.

My bigger concern, is that the blame is being misplaced. This isn't the part I want people to take with a grain of salt.
This is the part where I want you to get angry. I want you to let them know very loudly that TMNT would be FINE, but they F*CKED UP.

The fans need to make it clear that it wasn't "too soon", it was "GARBAGE CONTENT" with "GARBAGE ARTISTS".
when people talk about how great the animation was, they are lying. They are misrepresenting the problem.
The minority of cal arts twits can not be allowed to slink away, shoulders shrugged, or worse, point fingers. They killed the brand, like Bay before them.

I don't know about that. I think it may have to do with a generation gap. personally I at first didn't like the 2012 series but it grew on me after the first 10 episodes. this show has as well, my only real complaint is things are too crammed into the episodes. now if they were half hour episodes the writing, direction, and action would be completely different. the person that made that decision I do blame. as for the artistry each series has been done and designed by different studios and different methods of animation styles. i'm not lying, I just enjoy something you don't. as the old saying goes "to each his own".

[PApagreg]

I don't know about that. I think it may have to do with a generation gap. personally I at first didn't like the 2012 series but it grew on me after the first 10 episodes. this show has as well, my only real complaint is things are too crammed into the episodes. now if they were half hour episodes the writing, direction, and action would be completely different. the person that made that decision I do blame. as for the artistry each series has been done and designed by different studios and different methods of animation styles. i'm not lying, I just enjoy something you don't. as the old saying goes "to each his own".

I personally never felt like any episode was too crammed, I mean as much as I do love this show I don't think I would enjoy episodes like Man vs Sewer or Snowday if it was 22 minutes.

[TommyT]

By catering to the cal arts crowd, TMNT committed Seppuku.

Some people think you can bake meat with bananas (https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/20643/banana-meatloaf/), and some people like it.
Most of us didn't. This is what happened when you concern yourself with minority interests over majority desires.

Now there's no show, and won't be, for a very long time.

[Leo656]

My gut tells me you are telling the truth.

And you and I don't agree on everything, but we mostly agree on this. I'm just a little quieter about it. I thought BayTurtles was as low as things would sink, but this show made me question that. I know that between the two of them, I'm convinced that Nick just doesn't have any idea what to actually do with the franchise, and are just chasing trends hoping to find one that will stick.

As I've said elsewhere, I'm kinda sad I missed Goku. My experience with the mentally ill is rather limited in some ways so it always kinda fascinates me. :lol:

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I personally never felt like any episode was too crammed, I mean as much as I do love this show I don't think I would enjoy episodes like Man vs Sewer or Snowday if it was 22 minutes.

Because they don't warrant being longer and would be intolerable otherwise. They're the type of hyjinks you get in short format cartoons. Snowday is something you'd get out of a standard Tom and Jerry short. Though I should ask, have you enjoyed the few half hour episodes?

[PApagreg]

Because they don't warrant being longer and would be intolerable otherwise. They're the type of hyjinks you get in short format cartoons. Snowday is something you'd get out of a standard Tom and Jerry short. Though I should ask, have you enjoyed the few half hour episodes?

I pretty much like most of the episodes and the ones I don't like are based on their own quality rather for their run time. One of the strengths of the 11 minute format Rise has is that they can have episodes that are less high stakes and more slice of life esque episodes without them feeling padded in some places(cough 2012 cough). An addition to the mentioned it also brings great world building to the show, New York in this series feels more densely populated and alive than in the 2k3/2k12 where in those shows its basically empty half of the time but in something like Rise you can have the enemy distracted by a group of people partying on a boat. Going back to the slice of life episodes it also gives more dimensions to the villains in one episode you can have someone like Repo Mantis fighting the turtles in another you can have him teaming up with the turtles to cage his mutant cat/mantis pet.

[AquaParade]

Interesting indeed.

Even playing off the idea that Tommy’s source is reliable, I’d say the idea of putting the shows on ice could be a good thing. Isn’t there the possibility that they still license it out to Neca, Paramount, Konami etc on the meantime? The info is vague so I suppose we don’t have the answer. But if that were the case, maybe the handholding would therefor cease, as TMNT is placed on the Viacom backburner, somewhat out of mind.

I’m getting into really choppy waters, but the fact is we don’t even have enough of a rumor to know what this could mean for other branches of the franchise.

[TommyT]

Interesting indeed.

Even playing off the idea that Tommy’s source is reliable, I’d say the idea of putting the shows on ice could be a good thing. Isn’t there the possibility that they still license it out to Neca, Paramount, Konami etc on the meantime? The info is vague so I suppose we don’t have the answer. But if that were the case, maybe the handholding would therefor cease, as TMNT is placed on the Viacom backburner, somewhat out of mind.

I’m getting into really choppy waters, but the fact is we don’t even have enough of a rumor to know what this could mean for other branches of the franchise.


The only thing that's on hold right now are the linears - meaning shows or films. Apparently they're working on what to do next, but also shopping for options, so while the future of TMNT is on hold, anything from the back catalogue is not.
It should be understood that Viacom only holds the IP - other companies actually make the goods, so this is how everything grinds to a hault. without the central "vision" the licensees can't really get a foothold on the direction the brand is going, so making product becomes difficult, if not impossible.
For example, if you wanted to license Rise turtles, for your clothing company, you might think twice if the new cartoon has a vastly different look/feel. by the time you get to market with Rise donatello on your socks and shirts, the "new" tmnt might be out, or advertised, and despite your product being brand new, it's now old.

Now, if it's true that they felt Rise came out too soon, there is little chance they'll actively be looking to make that same mistake again.

So for the time being, Classic tmnt is a safer bet, as a known representation of the brand, so if anything, this is what will be seen.

[Leonardo2003]

By catering to the cal arts crowd, TMNT committed Seppuku.

Some people think you can bake meat with bananas (https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/20643/banana-meatloaf/), and some people like it.
Most of us didn't. This is what happened when you concern yourself with minority interests over majority desires.

Now there's no show, and won't be, for a very long time.

You know any more details on the Konami game? Which incarnation it will be based on?

[The Great Saiyaman]

You know, going over what has been said in this thread inspired me to do the cosplay scene in my new comic.

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Exactly HOW it inspired me, I won't say.

[ZariusTwo]

If you want real gossip, the latest is that DC itself may fold into Disney, with a Merger of DC and Marvel.

Sounds absurd, but I've heard this twice in the last two weeks. Hard to imagine, but it's apparently only DC, and their IP's.

Is this why Doomsday Clock's finale teased the "secret crisis" and described Thor and Hulk in every way short of naming them?

[CyberCubed]

I'm sure you would hear the usual rumors from the big sites if any kind of DC buyout was happening. It would literally be HUGE news and it's not something that would be kept under wraps even for rumors. The fact that nothing about it is said anywhere makes it obvious it's not gonna happen

[shredder orokusaki]

Remeber that rumor about Microsoft buying ea and sony buying take two and Bethesda? Nothing happend they were too crazy to be true. IDW comics are doing well even after so long so what must happen is make the next show as serious as idw or 2012 and 2003 is and it will be a huge success. I mean.... Seriously? Making me a alien monster? At least in 2003 i was a normal alien but now what happend to me is terrible! A serious show like the ones i mentoned can start even in a few months from now there is no reason to wait for so long t make it.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I can only assume they'll air the rest of season 2 sometime in Spring. Nick has been very quiet with this show for the past few months now.

If they ALL pooled their money, they might have a shot at it. Otherwise I don't see it.

If Nick paid like $60 million then I can't see them letting go of it for much less. I mean if anything they've increased the dollars-and-cents value of the brand over what it was ten years ago, even if the overall reputation has taken a hit. I'd have to check but I'm almost positive that the TMNT brand has brought in more profits between 2010 and 2020 than it did between 2000 and 2010, so if anything Nick would probably ask for more than what they paid, citing how they "saved" it by making it more profitable even if critical reception has been mixed.

I don't see Dark Horse or the others having that kinda cash sitting around. They also wouldn't have the luxury of an entire multimedia empire like Nick; what's their track record with launching, managing and sustaining TV shows, movies, and toys on the level of what Nick has done with TMNT? Comic books are one thing, but TMNT is a "brand" that has a lot of moving parts in other areas; that leaves Nick, Disney/Marvel, and DC/WB as the only ones truly fit to be "caretakers" on the level of what would be required.

That's how I see it, anyway.

It makes sense. Not suggesting Mirage would by it back but I wonder what has become of them these days, are they still around?

[MikeandRaph87]

I can only assume they'll air the rest of season 2 sometime in Spring. Nick has been very quiet with this show for the past few months now.



It makes sense. Not suggesting Mirage would by it back but I wonder what has become of them these days, are they still around?

Earlier this week Peter Laird decided to no longer sign anything sent to him because he does not frequent the Mirage Studio office. It only has a staff of two Dan Berger a woman named Katie. They wrok on Mondays and Wednesays part-time. A half dozen items gets put on Ebay most weeks.That is it as it has been for some time now. I thought enough time would have passed for Peter to use that "just in case I get the itch" clause. However, it is not the case.
https://www.miragelicensing.com/

[ZariusTwo]

IDW comics are doing well even after so long.

Ahem

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/01/25/idw-loses-17-1-million-in-2019-projects-profitability-in-2021/

[shredder orokusaki]

i was talking about TMNT IDW doing well .

[Autbot_Benz]

Rise is done this was posted from playmates at NYCC from TNI's website

"There are no new TMNT figures shown. Nickelodeon expected to announce the next incarnation of TMNT this spring and Playmates will be doing toys for it."

Put a fork in it Rise is done

https://toynewsi.com/216-35727

[AquaParade]

I was just about to post that, Autbot. Nice.

I have no idea as to the legitimacy of that website, but it does add up. Very interesting that they could be announcing the next iteration this Spring, which actually goes against what Tommy T. has been hearing - If I remember correctly.

They really need to more or less adapt IDW with "Last Airbender" quality animation. Make it a showpiece for the whole channel and whatever streaming service you will inevitably get picked up by or create.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think there will be a third cartoon for Nick announced this soon. After Rise bombed they probably don't want to make the same mistake twice.

[Vicky82]

Rise is done this was posted from playmates at NYCC from TNI's website

"There are no new TMNT figures shown. Nickelodeon expected to announce the next incarnation of TMNT this spring and Playmates will be doing toys for it."

Put a fork in it Rise is done

https://toynewsi.com/216-35727

Rise was OK but it just wasn't my cup of tea.

I wonder if the next incarnation is that rumoured live action series.

[AquaParade]

Rise was OK but it just wasn't my cup of tea.

I wonder if the next incarnation is that rumoured live action series.

That would be super exciting.

[shredder orokusaki]

Live series or not i will kill and beat the turtles anyway!

[biganimefan]

Live series or not i will kill and beat the turtles anyway!

I am so happy for you! ;)

[shredder orokusaki]

I don't think there will be a third cartoon for Nick announced this soon. After Rise bombed they probably don't want to make the same mistake twice.

The mistake was to make it more funny and less serious than the 1987 series and this is why it didnt do well. Make it as serious as 2003 or 2012 series and it will be a huge success.

[MikeandRaph87]

I teach primarily 14 to 16 year olds. They love anime and action cartoons still. A overheard a conversation towards the end of class today. Students were bashing the ridiculous farce called "Teen Titans Go!" and said for some reason these creators think it is cool to crap it on other shows like TMNT. I can't sit through Rise". Asking me knowing I overheard them, they know I like TMNT, growing up with the 1987 cartoon. I told them I watched two episodes. Even giving it a second change with a villain team up was not enough and yes I could see the undfortunate TTG! direction and could not stand it. I know its just four 15 year olds, but that is what they think of Rise, "a TTG influenced crapfest that was unneccessary".

[CyberCubed]

Given they're teenagers I assume those kids grew up with the Nick 2012 series? Did they see the previous two shows?

[MikeandRaph87]

Given they're teenagers I assume those kids grew up with the Nick 2012 series? Did they see the previous two shows?

The 2012 cartoon and the 1987 cartoon through DVDs and watchcartoononline due to parents influence and the teases of it in the 2012 cartoon.

They loved Teen Titans and Justice League.

[The Great Saiyaman]

To get back on topic. I was in a book store today and saw the latest edition of Nick magazine, so I picked it up and started leafing through it, it had comics and games of all current shows of Nicktoons Holland.

EXCEPT Rise.

Apparently they want everybody to forget the series even existed.

[MikeandRaph87]

To get back on topic. I was in a book store today and saw the latest edition of Nick magazine, so I picked it up and started leafing through it, it had comics and games of all current shows of Nicktoons Holland.

EXCEPT Rise.

Apparently they want everybody to forget the series even existed.

On-topic: It reminds me of the lack of advertising and placing it at 10pm with Justice League once it became Unlimited. The last two episodes were held off to the point a season finale (season 3) aired and the season premire (season 4) aired consecutive weeks after an odd hiatus.. Remember when the 2003 series started in February and episodes 19-26 were aired up to the first part of "The Big Brawl" in season 2. The three remaining episodes should have been aired or Big Brawl part 1 withheld. Some time its poor decisions of marketing a series. It could be that.


Off-topic:I added to your thread in the Music section,Saiyman.

[bwwd]

toys didnt sell as expected, strange questions.
Cartoons for kids nowadays are like ads for toys, nothing beyond that.

[MikeandRaph87]

toys didnt sell as expected, strange questions.
Cartoons for kids nowadays are like ads for toys, nothing beyond that.

That was case from 1982-1993 from He-Man to Power Rangers.

[Aaronardo]

Another incarnation already? Yeesh. It's like these people have never heard the term franchise fatigue.

I'll miss Rise. It was too weird to live, I barely felt the need to catch it when it aired, and the TMNT fan in me really can't justify the changes they made, but as an animation fan I loved the art style, energy, and legitimate risk-taking, especially after the latter half of the 2012 show.

[The Great Saiyaman]

On-topic: It reminds me of the lack of advertising and placing it at 10pm with Justice League once it became Unlimited. The last two episodes were held off to the point a season finale (season 3) aired and the season premire (season 4) aired consecutive weeks after an odd hiatus.. Remember when the 2003 series started in February and episodes 19-26 were aired up to the first part of "The Big Brawl" in season 2. The three remaining episodes should have been aired or Big Brawl part 1 withheld. Some time its poor decisions of marketing a series. It could be that.


Off-topic:I added to your thread in the Music section,Saiyman.

I think it's a shame they didn't at least finish the season. But alas that's how things go.

Something else though, I started a new "Rise" comic called "Quiet Time" I'd like your comments on it. I'll send you a link through a PM.

[Mugic]

What this about a new Konami game?

[MikeandRaph87]

I think it's a shame they didn't at least finish the season. But alas that's how things go.

Something else though, I started a new "Rise" comic called "Quiet Time" I'd like your comments on it. I'll send you a link through a PM.

While I always happy to review and help fellow mega fans, I don't know. I really wanted to think "its okay", but Rise does not interest me. If the incarnation your work is based on does not interest me than I don't want to dislike what you are doing because I dislike the basis of what you are using.

I dropped four songs into your How Did It Get To This Point Thread.

[TommyT]

I was just about to post that, Autbot. Nice.

I have no idea as to the legitimacy of that website, but it does add up. Very interesting that they could be announcing the next iteration this Spring, which actually goes against what Tommy T. has been hearing - If I remember correctly.

They really need to more or less adapt IDW with "Last Airbender" quality animation. Make it a showpiece for the whole channel and whatever streaming service you will inevitably get picked up by or create.

My source said they were actively seeking new ideas, but that nothing is expected in the near future.

Thats all I have right now. I maight have more next week.

DC rumblings continue.

[Mugic]

My source said they were actively seeking new ideas, but that nothing is expected in the near future.

Thats all I have right now. I maight have more next week.

DC rumblings continue.Any news in regards to video games?

[The Great Saiyaman]

While I always happy to review and help fellow mega fans, I don't know. I really wanted to think "its okay", but Rise does not interest me. If the incarnation your work is based on does not interest me than I don't want to dislike what you are doing because I dislike the basis of what you are using.
No problem man, to each their own.

I dropped four songs into your How Did It Get To This Point Thread.
Yes, I saw them. I added four myself too.

[TommyT]

Any news in regards to video games?

Apparently, it will be officially shown at E3, (no surprise there), but I've heard it's possibly the announcemet you'll see in the spring, not a new show.

I'll know more in a few weeks.

[Mugic]

Apparently, it will be officially shown at E3, (no surprise there), but I've heard it's possibly the announcemet you'll see in the spring, not a new show.

I'll know more in a few weeks.Anyword on who the developers could be?

[shredder orokusaki]

And i will be final boss of the game! I will upload some gameplay where ibeat the turtles! It will be based on Rise and since i was in the last episode of the show i will be the last boss there too. But it will be the only game due to how fast Rise ended with not even 2 complete seasons. Unlike the 2012 and previous shows who had much more games as all of them lasted for more than 5 seasons. WB will not buy TMNT. DC is very profitable for them on movies comics and video games they dont have the money and dont need to buy TMNT. Remeber the rumor about Microsoft buy ea? Nothing happend.
As for the show here what i can tell you as i have all the information from My sources because iam THE SHREDDER.
Dont trust Tom . I know evrything because i am the one making the series as it is about my adventures and my fight against those monsters the turtles.

I will be human again and my foot ninjas will be human in the begining. My story with hamato yoshi will be similar to the 2012 and mirrage comics but i cant tell you in detail,
Utroms will be the ones who will make the mutagen again.
Krang will have an adopted human girl daughter in this series similar to me having Karai for so long. But uniike Karai this girl is a scientist and will be around 18 years old. This is the first time that Krang will do something like this. He will live with her in abandoned castle somewhere in Scotland but it will be transported into a high tech lair with Utrom technology that he took when he left his planet after it got destroyed and he came to earth with Technodrome.
Late in the series i will kill Splinter again like i did in 2012 and IDW.
I will have a new second in command mutant henchman but will also have Hun Bebop and Rocksteady work for me.
I will live in a big skycraper similar to the one in 2003 series.
Later in the series i will get robotic ninajs from Krang and his adopted girl.
Krang robot body looks like the one from 1987 series.
The series will be as serious as the 2003 series was
It will have many episodes based on IDW but it will not be entirely based on IDW.

[Tmntfan4life]

Apparently, it will be officially shown at E3, (no surprise there), but I've heard it's possibly the announcemet you'll see in the spring, not a new show.

I'll know more in a few weeks.

Anymore news you can give us on the spring announcement as ive heard a lot of people from playmates and toyfair goers say we are supposed to get news on tmnt this month from nick

[shredder orokusaki]

The episodes will continue next week or in 2 weeks and the game will be announced later. E3 is canceled but now all a company needs to do to announce a game, is to release a trailer on youtube and evryone will see it.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, supposed to be the 24th, which is a Friday and no time given.

[Vicky82]

Yeah, supposed to be the 24th, which is a Friday and no time given.

8pm and 8:30pm.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/a13ec4c9bc7e1c0f2fa9cfbd1db1ee78/4f0b75746264764d-d6/s640x960/6cacf91c14c26b7cdfff4e543031b42350b7d282.jpg

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I wonder if Donnie will ever reconsider that mystic bow staff at some point since he's the only one that cannot utilize any mystic powers. Will the show ever touch upon that? Like, do an episode where he finally gets envious of his brothers' mystic abilities. It seems to be content with just letting three of the four turtles pull off mystic powers.

[IndigoErth]

Given this Donatello's personality, it would kind of make sense...and then go too far in trying to outdo them by not only taking up the mystic staff but attempting to "improve" it.


edit: Hmm. Also sorta says a lot that there is no nomination for it in the KCA, unlike last year, it's only time. (Meanwhile 2012 was in there often...)