"Star Trek:" Section 31

[Andrew NDB]

One step forward, two steps back... "Section 31" starts filming after STD season 3 wraps:

https://www.space.com/star-trek-section-31-discovery-filming-schedules.html?fbclid=IwAR1ev7gxvaNg-6lQsSDENXWz3F9OqJp2dqQC86Qoo6eOIHm7YORY2WX8AJs

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

One step forward, two steps back... "Section 31" starts filming after STD season 3 wraps:

https://www.space.com/star-trek-section-31-discovery-filming-schedules.html?fbclid=IwAR1ev7gxvaNg-6lQsSDENXWz3F9OqJp2dqQC86Qoo6eOIHm7YORY2WX8AJs

I'd be more excited it it was post-DS9/Nemesis, following Bashir (and maybe Dax and O'Brien) digging into the conspiracy of Section 31 and pursuing Luther Sloan... THAT $hit would be dope.

And I loved Captain Philippa Georgiou, but her Mirror Empress counterpart doesn't really interest me much.

[Andrew NDB]

I'd be more excited it it was post-DS9/Nemesis, following Bashir (and maybe Dax and O'Brien) digging into the conspiracy of Section 31 and pursuing Luther Sloan... THAT $hit would be dope.

That'd be awesome. I guess there's still the off chance that Georgiou takes the time travel suit and ends up in the 24th century instead of the 23rd, but probably pretty unlikely.

And I loved Captain Philippa Georgiou, but her Mirror Empress counterpart doesn't really interest me much.

Yeah. Like, what do you even do with that, that's interesting? In a supersecret black ops show? She's supposed to be chameleon spy/secret agent in a universe she's only known for like a few weeks, trusted with everything.

[IMJ]

I'd be more excited it it was post-DS9/Nemesis

This is what I see most people say and it reflects my thoughts as well - let this prequel nonsense go. Move forward post-Nemesis.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That'd be awesome. I guess there's still the off chance that Georgiou takes the time travel suit and ends up in the 24th century instead of the 23rd, but probably pretty unlikely.

I'd hate that anyway. Ugh.

Yeah. Like, what do you even do with that, that's interesting? In a supersecret black ops show? She's supposed to be chameleon spy/secret agent in a universe she's only known for like a few weeks, trusted with everything.

Maybe the Section 31 show starts with Georgiou and then does a time jump through Starfleet's history, and we get an anthology of Section 31 working throughout history? And then finally end up with Bashir taking up a vendetta against them post Nemesis?

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe the Section 31 show starts with Georgiou and then does a time jump through Starfleet's history, and we get an anthology of Section 31 working throughout history? And then finally end up with Bashir taking up a vendetta against them post Nemesis?

I'd be down for that... though it sounds like the only reason this show is even going to exist is because they really, really like having and working with Michelle Yeoh. Without her -- for them -- there is no show.

[IMJ]

I'd be down for that... though it sounds like the only reason this show is even going to exist is because they really, really like having and working with Michelle Yeoh. Without her -- for them -- there is no show.

I absolutely believe this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'd be down for that... though it sounds like the only reason this show is even going to exist is because they really, really like having and working with Michelle Yeoh. Without her -- for them -- there is no show.

I absolutely believe this.

Sigh. Yeah... more 23rd-century prequel bull$hit.

[Andrew NDB]

Sigh. Yeah... more 23rd-century prequel bull$hit.

With occasional appearances by the STD Enterprise and its 200 starfighters and R2D2 units, no doubt. And Spock stuff.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

With occasional appearances by the STD Enterprise and its 200 starfighters and R2D2 units, no doubt. And Spock stuff.

...

Maybe this is going to be Pike and nuEnterprise against Section 31. With (sigh) somehow Georgiou playing both sides against the other.

[IMJ]

I recall seeing somewhere that a Captain Pike show is a possibility.

Honestly, if these people need to do something "new" with Star Trek, then I completely stand by the idea of a show that follows a different ship and crew each season. You could literally have a series that has 7 seasons of Trek featuring 7 different eras of the franchise.

[Andrew NDB]

Which was the original idea for STD. Originally with the first showrunner it was going to be an anthology deal, like American Horror Story. Like, 1 season on Burnham, then season 2 could be a return to TNG, then 3 a trip back to the 22nd century, or whatever. Kurtzman didn't like that.

A Pike show, I really hope they don't. They'd just be Kurtzmaning in the same problems as STD, making whack 23rd century stuff that doesn't remotely connect to canon. Plus between Section 31 and a Pike show they'd be tempting themselves into doing even MORE 23rd century spinoff crap, as opposed to like a 25th century show on an Enterprise.

Also, don't forget they're still looking at a Khan prequel series:

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-khan-tv-show/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Which was the original idea for STD. Originally with the first showrunner it was going to be an anthology deal, like American Horror Story. Like, 1 season on Burnham, then season 2 could be a return to TNG, then 3 a trip back to the 22nd century, or whatever. Kurtzman didn't like that.

A Pike show, I really hope they don't. They'd just be Kurtzmaning in the same problems as STD, making whack 23rd century stuff that doesn't remotely connect to canon. Plus between Section 31 and a Pike show they'd be tempting themselves into doing even MORE 23rd century spinoff crap, as opposed to like a 25th century show on an Enterprise.

Also, don't forget they're still looking at a Khan prequel series:

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-khan-tv-show/

I don't get why everyone is so in love with Anson Mount's Pike. So what? Pike was boring. Dude sat in a wheelchair with a purple birthmark and beep beeped.

At least Enterprise explored a period of time completely new to Star Trek, even if it was a prequel. That's a well-done prequel (or at least it grew until a well-done prequel).

10 years before Kirk is just an uninspiring choice.

[IMJ]

I don't get why everyone is so in love with Anson Mount's Pike. So what? Pike was boring. Dude sat in a wheelchair with a purple birthmark and beep beeped.

At least Enterprise explored a period of time completely new to Star Trek, even if it was a prequel. That's a well-done prequel (or at least it grew until a well-done prequel).

10 years before Kirk is just an uninspiring choice.

I think people resonate with Pike because he's such a "Mary Sue" character on Discovery that he's the only part of that show that truly resonates with long-time fans. That was a backhanded compliment, I know but I think there are truly two truths there.

I had no interest in Enterprise when it first came out. Then I watched it on netflix during the science fiction glut of the early 2010's and it became my favorite Trek show - or at least a close tie with TNG. Enterprise was killed before it's time - if any Trek deserved a movie, it would've been Enterprise.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think people resonate with Pike because he's such a "Mary Sue" character on Discovery that he's the only part of that show that truly resonates with long-time fans. That was a backhanded compliment, I know but I think there are truly two truths there.

I had no interest in Enterprise when it first came out. Then I watched it on netflix during the science fiction glut of the early 2010's and it became my favorite Trek show - or at least a close tie with TNG. Enterprise was killed before it's time - if any Trek deserved a movie, it would've been Enterprise.

Enterprise really did need a movie, but people loved to $hit on that show. I always thought the next show should be Star Trek: Federation. Cover the Romulan War, the membership growing pains... cameos from Archer, T'Pol, Shran, etc, but with a new crew and new ship. A movie could've covered some of the same ground.

[Andrew NDB]

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Jesus... this looks so much worse than I ever imagined.

[neatoman]

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Jesus... this looks so much worse than I ever imagined.

I hated the music, the dialogue and the jokes. I really don't want to see what the actual show is like if this is a snippet of the "best" it has to offer.

[CyberCubed]

This is a relic of Discovery that is somehow worse than the worst parts of Discovery.

[Andrew NDB]

It comes out tomorrow. Is everybody stoked? :lol:

I really wonder what the behind the scenes pitch session for this was like. I mean, there almost undoubtedly wasn't one, as like most things Kurtzman just made it happen out of thin air, but if there was...

"What if we made a movie that doubles down on everything even generally the most flexible Star Trek fans agree are the worst aspects seen in the franchise?"

"..."

"What if we did it anyway?"

[IMJ]

The review I read about this was utterly vitriolic. I don't know if I can bring myself to watch it.

[neatoman]

The review I read about this was utterly vitriolic. I don't know if I can bring myself to watch it.

Was the review itself vitriolic or did the review describe this as vitriolic?

[IMJ]

Was the review itself vitriolic or did the review describe this as vitriolic?

:lol:

Oh geeze.....

Right. Hm.

Well, the review was fed to me by my newsfeed so I can't remember who wrote it to post it here.

But it basically skewered the movie as not even remotely having anything to do with Star Trek and spent some time making fun of a tiny alien that I guess pilots a robot Vulcan body and compared the sound it made while moving to some other piece of pop-culture that "makes it unintentionally hilarious".

It was all negative other than, I guess, a part where Michelle Yeough does some Karate, which the reviewer said is the only reason he gave it a "1" instead of their lowest score (which I guess is a 0). Also, I remember that he mentioned "Everything, Everywhere All At Once" with Jamie Curtis, but I'm not sure if he was implying that she was in this Trek flick as well, or just drawing a parallel.

Either way, the review came off as absolutely disgusted by this movie. I think he said that it was only Star Trek because of the occasional Delta insignia.

[CyberCubed]

This looks like to be all the worst parts of Discovery all boiled into one movie. And remember this was supposed to be a series at one point, at least we only have to suffer through a1 hour and 45 minute movie instead of a 20+ episode series.

I'll watch it on 1.5x speed on the illegal streaming websites just to "get it over with" and then we can finally put Discovery to rest for good.

[member_removed]

This looks like to be all the worst parts of Discovery all boiled into one movie. And remember this was supposed to be a series at one point, at least we only have to suffer through a1 hour and 45 minute movie instead of a 20+ episode series.

I'll watch it on 1.5x speed on the illegal streaming websites just to "get it over with" and then we can finally put Discovery to rest for good.

We can also ignore it and not bother wasting 1hr 45 on it at all. It looks like a train wreck.

[Andrew NDB]

Honestly, it's difficult to even imagine hate-watching it.

[IMJ]

This looks like to be all the worst parts of Discovery all boiled into one movie. And remember this was supposed to be a series at one point, at least we only have to suffer through a1 hour and 45 minute movie instead of a 20+ episode series.

I'll watch it on 1.5x speed on the illegal streaming websites just to "get it over with" and then we can finally put Discovery to rest for good.

Just don't watch it.

[CyberCubed]

Don't worry, on the 1.5x speed setting this movie will barely be over 65 minutes long.

[Andrew NDB]

This is pretty infuriating. When asked why they're making a movie no Star Trek fan would want, Kurtzman responded that "Oh, it's because Star Trek is dying and we need to make different projects like this for different audiences."

https://www.darkhorizons.com/section-31-made-because-star-trek-is-dying/

And not, you know, even TRY ONCE a TEENY TINY LITTLE BIT to make a show that's like the ones that were successful and beloved in the past.

[Roseangelo]

This is pretty infuriating. When asked why they're making a movie no Star Trek fan would want, Kurtzman responded that "Oh, it's because Star Trek is dying and we need to make different projects like this for different audiences."

https://www.darkhorizons.com/section-31-made-because-star-trek-is-dying/

And not, you know, even TRY ONCE a TEENY TINY LITTLE BIT to make a show that's like the ones that were successful and beloved in the past.

Paramount is good at digging in deeper to things fans hate, just because. TMNT is evidence of that, as well.