Star Trek: Rangers (7 of 9)

[Andrew NDB]

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Michael Chabon pitched it, apparently on his way out the door after showrunning the second half of season 1:

https://comicbook.com/startrek/amp/2020/03/15/star-trek-picard-seven-of-nine-spinoff-michael-chabon-pitch/?fbclid=IwAR3zTZTtKCDnTjHTjY6fRs9pl83sicfuHl5fmE6p lKILfwzU3eJIjWC2qbE

I certainly wouldn't mind it, particularly over more seasons of STD, their Section 31 show, or Pike show they want to do but nobody actually wants (ANOTHER Kurtzman-driven prequel?)... but if we get it, would it really be too much to ask for one "regular" Star Trek show about exploration?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://i.ibb.co/r6XFZ7V/227b19d3-2d14-4fc9-8790-9c27b06821f4-115230-4307-rt-final.jpg

Michael Chabon pitched it, apparently on his way out the door after showrunning the second half of season 1:

https://comicbook.com/startrek/amp/2020/03/15/star-trek-picard-seven-of-nine-spinoff-michael-chabon-pitch/?fbclid=IwAR3zTZTtKCDnTjHTjY6fRs9pl83sicfuHl5fmE6p lKILfwzU3eJIjWC2qbE

I certainly wouldn't mind it, particularly over more seasons of STD, their Section 31 show, or Pike show they want to do but nobody actually wants (ANOTHER Kurtzman-driven prequel?)... but if we get it, would it really be too much to ask for one "regular" Star Trek show about exploration?

Fvck yeah, I'm down. I'd name it Star Trek: Rangers, though.

Gimme Star Trek: Worf, too.

[Roseangelo]

but if we get it, would it really be too much to ask for one "regular" Star Trek show about exploration?

This is exactly why I watch The Orville.

[Andrew NDB]

Fvck yeah, I'm down. I'd name it Star Trek: Rangers, though.

Oh yeah! Fixed. Of course they'd name it that.

Gimme Star Trek: Worf, too.

Right now that seems like the show with the best chance to actually be a Star Trek show.

1. It'd not be a prequel.

2. It'd take place on a Federation starship. Probably whatever is the current Enterprise.

3. It has the highest likelihood to be about actual exploration and diplomacy.

Call it "Star Trek: Frontier" or something, though.

This is exactly why I watch The Orville.

I respect the Orville for what it does, though I can't get into it. Maybe one day I'll give it a more fair shake. For now, it's good but it seems mostly like an homage to me. A good homage, but still an homage. It just makes me want the "real thing" more/curse the post-Abrams Trek more.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh yeah! Fixed. Of course they'd name it that.



Right now that seems like the show with the best chance to actually be a Star Trek show.

1. It'd not be a prequel.

2. It'd take place on a Federation starship. Probably whatever is the current Enterprise.

3. It has the highest likelihood to be about actual exploration and diplomacy.

Call it "Star Trek: Frontier" or something, though.

I respect the Orville for what it does, though I can't get into it. Maybe one day I'll give it a more fair shake. For now, it's good but it seems mostly like an homage to me. A good homage, but still an homage. It just makes me want the "real thing" more/curse the post-Abrams Trek more.

I dunno... if they can just call a show Star Trek: Picard, I figure the simplest and most direct name serves Worf just as well.

The Orville has never really interested me. Telling Star Trek stories outside that universe just doesn't hook me. I want Klingons, Romulans, and Borg, not ... whatever the species are that Orville has.

It is cool that Kasidy Yates is a main character on that show, though. :tgrin:

[Andrew NDB]

I dunno... if they can just call a show Star Trek: Picard

Yeah, but you just know it was because none of those morons could come up with a better title. It's the same people that calls a show "Discovery" that only ever did the opposite of that, and started a war in its first episode.

[IMJ]

We need one, great primary Star Trek show instead of these made for TV "movies".

And agreed completely on the Orville. How a Star Trek TNG parody is so much better than the real thing is amazing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, but you just know it was because none of those morons could come up with a better title. It's the same people that calls a show "Discovery" that only ever did the opposite of that, and started a war in its first episode.

Star Trek: Legacy
Star Trek: Federation
Star Trek: The Next Next Generation
Star Trek: Logan

Right off the top of my head. :trazz:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

We need one, great primary Star Trek show instead of these made for TV "movies".

And agreed completely on the Orville. How a Star Trek TNG parody is so much better than the real thing is amazing.


Agreed wholeheartedly. I miss not having it on Fox, because now I can't watch it. Orville was one of the best shows they've had in recent seasons, so to put it on streaming service only was a huge disappointment.

[IMJ]

Agreed wholeheartedly. I miss not having it on Fox, because now I can't watch it. Orville was one of the best shows they've had in recent seasons, so to put it on streaming service only was a huge disappointment.

I actually wonder if they'll see a ratings decline because of this move. After that amazing space battle in season 2, I can't believe Fox wouldn't do anything to keep that IP in their stable. It had to be the best looking space battle to ever be on T.V. It was as good as the two minute First Contact space battle, but lasted much longer.

[Jester]

This could be interesting. It and the Pike series (as much as I loathe Discovery Anson Mount as Pike was a bright spot) I'd like to see.

[Andrew NDB]

This could be interesting. It and the Pike series (as much as I loathe Discovery Anson Mount as Pike was a bright spot) I'd like to see.

If it was someone other than Kurtzman behind the curtain, with a Pike series I would go from "I don't want to see it at all and jesus christ, enough with the prequels" to "it's not what I want and not what Star Trek needs, but I'll give it a shot."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

If it was someone other than Kurtzman behind the curtain, with a Pike series I would go from "I don't want to see it at all and jesus christ, enough with the prequels" to "it's not what I want and not what Star Trek needs, but I'll give it a shot."

I hated Pike in the first episode, but he quickly grew on me. And I'd love to see Ethan Peck play a Spock not hobbled by always interacting with Burnham.

RR's take on Number One, surprisingly, bored me to tears. Was really hoping for more from her.

Star Trek: Pike is another needless prequel I don't care about, but I suppose I'd watch it.

I wonder how the viewing numbers compare between all of Discovery and Picard? I mean, Picard HAS to be a way bigger draw than Disco, right?

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder how the viewing numbers compare between all of Discovery and Picard? I mean, Picard HAS to be a way bigger draw than Disco, right?

I don't think they've said. And I'm sure that's true, even if STP looks a lot cheaper than STD.

[Jester]

I don't think they've said. And I'm sure that's true, even if STP looks a lot cheaper than STD.
I've heard that there was a decent drop off on Picard, because it's gotten progressively worse...but nothing official.

[Andrew NDB]

I've heard that there was a decent drop off on Picard, because it's gotten progressively worse...but nothing official.

All the filming was done by the time we saw any STP episodes, so no drop in quality would have been the result of any belt-tightening due to ratings. We do know a couple of things, though:

#1. CBS was unhappy with the quality of the show under Kurtzman's solo showrunning for the first few episodes so they brought in Chabon.

#2. At some point in the season, Discovery ran out of money during its season 3 shoot so CBS had to strip money out of STP's first season budget to give it to STD.

Neither of these things are good.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

All the filming was done by the time we saw any STP episodes, so no drop in quality would have been the result of any belt-tightening due to ratings. We do know a couple of things, though:

#1. CBS was unhappy with the quality of the show under Kurtzman's solo showrunning for the first few episodes so they brought in Chabon.

#2. At some point in the season, Discovery ran out of money during its season 3 shoot so CBS had to strip money out of STP's first season budget to give it to STD.

Neither of these things are good.

Yeah, but people are more likely to give Picard a pass than Discovery. So Picard can get by on less budget.

I don't like the decision and I don't like Discovery, but I think it made good business sense.

[Leo656]

Man, every time I start thinking about becoming more than a super-casual Trek fan, I look around and it's like, "Yeah, nah, I don't need the heartburn." :ohwell:

Kinda feel like I should stick with my movies and Original Series box set. Everything else just seems too much like work. All I ever see are a bunch of people super disappointed every time anything new comes out.

Jeri Ryan is still hot, though.

[Andrew NDB]

All I ever see are a bunch of people super disappointed every time anything new comes out.

It's been a very rough 11 years being a Star Trek fan. The only highlight was Stewart walking out on stage announcing Picard. And a handful of moments on the actual show, so far.

[Leo656]

I wonder what's worse: Getting a stream of new media that you hate, or finally getting something you're super-into and love a whole bunch, after waiting for what seemed like forever, and then being told you can't have more of it ever again because OTHER people don't like it enough?

I imagine they're both pretty goddamn frustrating. Some serious pop culture blue-balls going around these days for anyone who isn't a Marvel fanatic. "Hope THAT's your Favorite Thing Ever, cuz otherwise, well... Eh, here's some crap. But it's got a sticker on it from that thing you used to like! Isn't that sweet?"

Sigh. We live in "interesting times", just like the ancient Chinese curse/fortune cookie said.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Star Trek is still doing a million times better than Star Wars.

Those poor bastards. :tlol:

[Leo656]

It's easy to say that, but in reading about it I'm not so sure. Seems about even. At least from Over Here.

"Yay, Luke's back! FINALLY! Oh, wait, this sucks."
"Yay, Picard's back! FINALLY! Oh, wait, this sucks."

Just being a fan of ANY popular franchise from "back in the day" has been tough, these last 10 years. The moral of the story has consistently been, "We know you liked this stuff once upon a time. Well, we're f*cking it up now. You'll like what we give you or kindly f*ck off, jack." Which seems like an... interesting marketing strategy to ME, but since we've seen it SO many times the last few years, I guess there's something we just don't understand.

TMNT... Star Wars... Star Trek... Thundercats... She-Ra... Ghostbusters... they've ALL had their swing at the "Let's take this awesome thing and ruin it, that'll make us rich!" thing. And the public response is usually pretty negative, and they don't always make a lot of money, either. BUT, that's been the consistent approach to "reviving" any popular brand; just make it completely unrecognizable at all and hope the people watching it for the very first time will like it. Except these new kids have much shorter attention spans and fall out of love a lot faster than we all used to, so again, I question the strategy.

But again, I'm not some billionaire corporation that thinks it's smarter than the people paying me for my products, so what the ever-loving f*ck do I know? Maybe "Take your medicine, fanboy" really IS the right way to go? If not, why doesn't anyone try and pull the nose up on this kinda sh*t? Pretty soon there won't be any popular franchises left to ruin.

[CyberCubed]

For Star Trek the first seasons are known for being the weakest of every series, this is especially true for Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Enterprise, but then the shows rebound and get much better as they go on. Picard having a weak first season doesn’t surprise me, but the show is already planned through Season 3 so I expect a similar upswing next season.

There were growing pains and the writers will hopefully learn from the flaws. I also expect Picard Season 2 to feature a lot more past characters returning and we already know quite a few are confirmed so the nostalgia cameo feast should be good.

[Andrew NDB]

Star Trek is still doing a million times better than Star Wars.

It's true. Regardless of what's going on now, Star Trek could just make any one of a number of quality TV shows tomorrow and be right back on top. Conversely, Star Wars could announce a new trilogy tomorrow -- or anything, really -- and no one's going to care anymore.

For Star Trek the first seasons are known for being the weakest of every series, this is especially true for Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Enterprise,

Though I do appreciate the experimental nature of a lot of season 1s. They tend to take a lot of risks that later seasons don't.