CoronaVirus news and updates (and how it's affecting you)

[Andrew NDB]

It's not difficult to breakdown.

Exhibit A: There was previous virus outbreaks deriving from the eating of wild animals in China.

Exhibit B: China thought about it, but didn't step in and stop that. Or enact any safeguards to prevent that in the future.

Exhibit C: COVID-19 comes out, and all signs point to it being from people eating bats and such. There. In China. Under their watch.

I'm not sure how it's any more complicated than that. Now, what should China actually do? Reparations or the like? No, I don't think so. I think a simple worldwide apology and a promise with a transparent plan to make sure this never happens again would suffice.

[Galactus]

First case of Wu Flu was registered in November of the last year.
China has started doing something about it only in February, as far as we know. It is not a "somewhat bad response", it is actually very ****** response on par with those in US, UK and Russia.

Yes and...?

How does continually pointing that out solve the problems in the US? UK? Italy? It doesn't and it seems to be a way to deflect arguably just a poor decision making from the leaders in those countries.

Boris and Trump need to start to start being serious about handling this crisis and people need to demand that they are instead they're being hoodwinked into going after China.

When this is all over China has some serious questions to answer but right here, right now I'm more concerned that in my own country our Prime Minister went so long dismissing the virus as unimportant that even when he started advising people to isolate themselves it took weeks for most of the public to even take seriously. I'm more concerned about the lack of ventilators and protective gear for NHS workers even ones dealing directly with Covid-19 diagnosed patients. I'm more concerned about the lack of testing.

Right now I couldn't give a crap about China...actually no scratch that. I do care that China looks to be getting a handle on this. Maybe we should be following what they are doing. When this is over by all means go after China but right now I'm concerned about the sometimes inept handling and at times deliberate mishandling of this situation by my own country's government.

[Redeemer]

and this why i don't trust China.......https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says

[Voltron]

and this why i don't trust China.......https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says

I'd be more surprised if the Chinese government was honest about it.

[Sumac]

Yes and...?

How does continually pointing that out solve the problems in the US? UK? Italy? It doesn't and it seems to be a way to deflect arguably just a poor decision making from the leaders in those countries.
You have misunderstood: I've never said that people should point at China and forget about what their own countries are doing. Just that China should not get away from this crisis without any repercussions.
Which, of course, won't follow since no-one wants to put their business at the risk with a ginormous totalitarian shithole.

Also, we might have another free week in Russia. Apparently our government doesn't have balls to proclaim a full scale quarantine, so they are pretending that it is "just temporary measures", even if they are reading to use special system which will track all people via QR codes and smartphones.

[Refractive Reflections]

So my last post was deleted. I see the politically-biased censorship is in full effect like always, and the narrative is already being determined here.

So were not gonna talk about the political correctness that spread COVID-19?
https://cdn.summit.news/2020/03/230320nyc.jpg

https://summit.news/2020/03/23/new-york-health-officials-told-residents-to-congregate-in-huge-crowds-in-defiance-of-coronavirus/
https://twitter.com/NYCHealthCommr/status/1226508570646269954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Viruses don’t care about your feelings.

They don’t care about preconceptions. They don’t care about whether or not you’re a good person. They don’t care whether you’re a racist, or bigoted against the country where the virus began. They especially don’t care about propaganda. They infect you, they do the damage they can until they win or your immune system does.

I mention this because in February, the early days of the coronavirus panic, several Chinese individuals went viral in Italy with videos that encouraged people to “hug a Chinese person.” The videos were roughly the same. In one, a man stood with a sign in front of various landmarks in Florence, blindfolded himself and put on a surgical mask. People would come up and hug him, taking off the mask and blindfold.
https://www.westernjournal.com/woke-hug-chinese-person-campaign-italy-end-costing-untold-deaths/

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[IndigoErth]

If a person kills someone by accident, are they considered completely innocent?

China haven't done on purpose, but they have created necessary conditions for it to happen
Which is why I made the second part of my comment.

no matter, what various fairy-believers will tell you, that "it could happened anywhere!!".

No, it could not.
Farms, slaughter houses, hunters, zoos, pets... Sure it could. There's plenty of interaction between humans and other creatures in the world, little to none of it exactly sanitary, where a species jumping virus could take the opportunity to pass from another creature to us.

I'm sure conditions in those markets help set up a perfect storm that highly increases the chance of it happening. Putting multiple species in such close proximity where a virus could jump between them, mutating along the way, and eventually mutate enough to get to humans, is incredibly stupid. But there is probably little special about those species themselves in China vs others in the world that make China more likely a starting point than anywhere else. A hunter in the U.S. or elsewhere, for example, could just as well pick up an unknown human-transmittable strain of a virus from a fresh kill. China's way of doing things isn't helping matters, absolutely not. But it's hardly the only place this kind of thing could start. Humankind unfortunately does not get any say in the opportunistic nature of viruses or when one will adapt in a way that lets it get to us.

I mean, god forbid it happen via dogs in puppy mills or egg/chicken producers that keep the birds all locked close together in small cages. Or mass production of pigs, which are very susceptible to catching and passing flu and other viruses. Or grimy places where people are keeping exotic animals they shouldn't have. There's so many potential sources in the world.

[IMJ]

I am still working and traveling to work daily.
I come home and while still in the laundry room take off my clothes, throw everything in the wash immediately and toss my shoes in a tub that I spray down with lysol, even on the soles. Then I hop in the shower right away.

[Diorm]

Hey Candy Kappa, how is your health?
Feelin any better?

[sdp]

Am I the only one here still working? And not from home but still traveling to work? Unfortunately they didn’t let me work from home so I am still getting in a crowded NY subway to work.

You’d be surprised how packed the subways still are. I expected there to only be a small handful of people but the subways are filled. This is why the virus spreads in NY so easily.

Stay safe.
Be careful, I work for a telecommunication company so it's considered essential and have to go to work 3 times a week since I'm not a risk group. There's social distancing in place but it's still a closed office with plenty of people. I drove to work but still feel extremely unsafe.

Numbers here are just above 1000 but everyone knows the local government is lying and no one
In the office is taking it seriously. Thinking about quitting, after all most job losses are from unskilled workers so despite the bear market I can find a job. Just sucks that I turned down a job offer that would've had me work from home right now just 4 months ago.

[Candy Kappa]

Hey Candy Kappa, how is your health?
Feelin any better?

I was a complete wreck yesterday, but I'm actually feeling a bit better today. Still had to rest after doing minor tasks, but it's better then not being able to do anything at all.

[Toycollectorsguild]

Hello my friends,

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[Andrew NDB]

Hello my friends,

Now is a very scary time and also a great time to invest. Most people don't have money to invest right now and that's unfortunate. I have three apps that I use that allow you to earn free money for stocks and crypto currencies just by inviting others. I have already invited most of the people I know and now am reaching out. If you would like to get an invite can you please email me your phone number to [email protected] I will send you an invite and you will then have my phone number to ask any questions you may have. Also I can help you with techniques you can use to help invite your friends and family. Thanks for your time! Stay safe and have a great day.

Oh, no.....

[Diorm]

Security!

I was a complete wreck yesterday, but I'm actually feeling a bit better today. Still had to rest after doing minor tasks, but it's better then not being able to do anything at all.

Good! Glad to hear it.

[Sumac]

My boss called me today and asked me to go to the job. LOL.
At least there will be a place to sit in an empty subway from end of the city to another. And repeat it 2 more times. Oh well. And I hoped to get my beauty sleep this week month. :lol:

Farms, slaughter houses, hunters, zoos, pets... Sure it could. There's plenty of interaction between humans and other creatures in the world, little to none of it exactly sanitary, where a species jumping virus could take the opportunity to pass from another creature to us.
Please, you've admitted yourself, that markets in China increased possibility of the deadly viruses hoping onto humans. I don't see why it should be denied that it was China (government) fault that it had happened.

Also, consider the following: scientists were aware about this particular strain of virus and warned that it might hop to humans. Did China do anything about? We know the answer, as well, as million of infected people and who knows how much more, who will be infected in the upcoming days and weeks.

So were not gonna talk about the political correctness that spread COVID-19?
We already have people here trying to absolve China of any responsibility and claiming that any complaints about it or even calling new virus "Chinese" is motivated by racism.

Yeah, because, desire to see your loved ones alive and seeing those who allowed that to happen to be punished is definitely racism. No, sir, no any other reason is possible. Only rRaCisM. :roll:

At this point I just assume that people who are defending China are either stupid, insane or paid by someone who is interested in narrative that China "didntdonuffinwrong". And personally I'd prefer the last option, because, assuming that people might be that illogical in a face of a crisis is disheartening.

I bet if alien race will attack humanity, those people would gladly cry that this attack was provoked by "evil white people" and that we just need to understand those aliens who want to kill us and then they will kill us in a more humane ways. Though, considering what happens in Europe, concerning certain migrants, this scenario is already in action, just without extra-terrestrials.

[Leo656]

Here's the thing: "Could've happened in ____ because of _____" is irrelevant. That's not what happened. We KNOW (some of) what happened, and where. Observational reporting isn't incorrect, nor is it racist, nor is it even morally wrong. "Could'a been..." is irrelevant right now.

We know the outbreak began in China. We know they lied about it for months and put people who tried to warn the rest of the world about it in jail. Some/most/all of those people later died. We know they're STILL lying, because more and more Chinese citizens are reaching out to foreign (read: non-Chinese, uncensored) media to talk about the incinerators running non-stop 24/7 to dispose of all the corpses, and thousands of funeral urns stacked up outside of funeral homes, with the families of the dead being given large "hush money" payments so as not to talk about just how bad things really are over there. These are facts, not speculation. "Could'a been..." means NOTHING right now.

They lied, and they're STILL lying, and this affects everyone. By all means, I would love to see some kind of repercussions for this, because F*CK that garbage. Hypothetically, we all could've gotten way, WAY out in front of this, except that China wants to protect their status as the world's leading manufacturer. That's why they're staging fake photo ops showing empty hospital beds, leaving the lights on in office buildings 24/7 to make it look like things are "normal" even though the buildings are empty, and getting ready to "allow" (force) their people to go back to work despite there being no downturn in the numbers whatsoever. It's all a smokescreen so they can protect THEIR bottom line. They don't care if their own people die, so you know damn well they don't care if the rest of the world catches fire, either, so long as their slave labor trade gets to go back to normal soon.

You talk about "someone having to be severely mentally ill"? Take a good long read about how the Chinese government actually operates, and has for a very, very, very long time. Actually research how they treat their own people. They pretty much wrote the entire book on human rights violations.
"Mentally ill" doesn't even begin to describe.

I harbor no ill will towards the citizens of China, most of whom were simply born into a cesspool they didn't create and are simply making the best of it. But in all honesty, f*ck the Chinese government, for this and a million other reasons. They're f*cking monsters.

Meanwhile, I'm still having a VERY hard time writing this off as an accident or a coincidence. For one thing, I don't believe in "coincidence". The "official" story is that it came from someone eating a bat, or SOMEthing (even that seems to change every day, kinda odd how that works) but other reports say the virus can't be transmitted via human-to-animal contact, period (such as the ones begging people not to abandon their pets at shelters since they can't pass the virus to humans). But even that seems to change often; first they said dogs and cats can't get it, now they say they can. Seems to me like nobody really "knows" ANYTHING about how this got started, or how it works, all they can do is speculate and HOPE it wasn't created in a lab, mostly to try and curb down any anti-Chinese sentiment. And I get that. But doesn't it kinda make just a little bit more sense, with the world's largest bio-weapon research facility just 100 yards away from Patient Zero, that THAT would be where some kind of hyper-aggressive and untreatable virus came from, rather than some random guy eating a bat which apparently happens every day over there? Like, how did this JUST happen out of nowhere if those wet markets and people eating diseased animals is "part of the culture"? Shouldn't it have already happened a long time ago?

I don't go much for speculation, nor wishful thinking. But again, here are the facts that we know:
- I can't find the articles right now, but I recently read several which reported that in 2018, and again in September 2019, several Chinese "nationalists" were caught smuggling SARS and other aggressive and contagious viral bacteria into the U.S.
- The bio-weapons lab in Wuhan is like, rightoverthere from where the outbreak started.
- The Chinese government has been having a helluva time silencing those protestors over there recently, and would definitely love for them to either disappear or become occupied with something else.
- Trump recently got the better of China in that whole trade deal, which they were supremely unhappy about, especially being embarrassed on the world stage.
- The Chinese government is run by lunatics.
- The Chinese government tried to imprison and silence anyone who tried to warn the world about the virus.
- Everyone who tried to warn us about it months ago is dead.
- China lied, and is still lying, about damn near everything having to do with this situation.

This is all very, very, VERY "convenient", is all I'm saying.

Do I KNOW, for a fact, that the Chinese government finagled some new bio-weapon to commit a two-pronged assault against their own dissenters and "those pesky Americans", and the whole thing just got out of hand? No, I don't know that for a fact. I just know that there's a lot more evidence of THAT, than there is that some guy ate some bad meat and now we're all gonna die. THAT sounds a lot like a smokescreen, in the face of all that other information. The fact alone that on no less than TWO separate occasions in the last two years alone, spies from China got caught smuggling viruses into the United States, is a novel unto itself.

I get that we don't want WWIII to break out, or for people to go around punching or stabbing random Chinese people over this. But by all means, hold their goddamn government responsible and find a way to sanction them for this because this IS their fault. Even if it was an accident - and I'm not convinced that it is - but even if, they lied, they covered up, they "eliminated" the people who tried to warn us, and now a LOT of people are dead. That's malicious intent. Even if the Chinese government had NOTHING at all to do with the virus, the fact that it's only SO bad because they f*cking lied, and are still lying, means that they need to be held accountable in some way. SOMEHOW. Anything else simply isn't right.

If you have information about a crime, and you lie to the police about it, you can in turn be charged with "obstruction of justice". Because you had information that would have helped them solve a crime and possibly save lives, and your silence and/or dishonesty could in theory cause great harm to others. Well, China's handling of the outbreak is "obstruction of justice" on a massive scale. Individuals go to jail over much smaller instances than that, so we damn well can hold their government accountable to SOME degree for this. Nothing else makes sense.

Again, this is not a "call to arms" against an entire race of people. This is a common sense plea for accountability given the fact that China's actions, or inactions, have led to countless deaths and the collapse of the entire global economy. Independent financial reports are now confirming that we're heading for a second Great Depression - NOT a recession, but a full-blown Depression - which will affect the entire planet for the next 10 to 15 years. Double-digit unemployment, indefinitely. Homelessness on an unprecedented scale, the likes of which we've never, ever seen. At least 50% of the people who are out of work right now are never, EVER going to work again. This is real, this is happening. We are ALL f*cked no matter what happens with this virus in the next month or two.

Given all that, and all that we know... yeah, the Chinese government has earned a f*cking spanking at the absolute least. We can't just shrug it off and say "Oh well", simply because we don't want to be "mean". Because believe me, THEY don't give a single f*ck about you. They don't even care about their own. This is a f*cking joke to them.

[ChosenOne]

At the very least, the Chinese government knowingly covered it up until it was already too late for the rest of the world. This thing spreads like a zombie plague without actual zombies. They'll have to answer for that when the dust settles. Like the man said, it came from China. That's all there is to it.

[turtle1237]

Here's the thing: "Could've happened in ____ because of _____" is irrelevant. That's not what happened. We KNOW (some of) what happened, and where. Observational reporting isn't incorrect, nor is it racist, nor is it even morally wrong. "Could'a been..." is irrelevant right now.

We know the outbreak began in China. We know they lied about it for months and put people who tried to warn the rest of the world about it in jail. Some/most/all of those people later died. We know they're STILL lying, because more and more Chinese citizens are reaching out to foreign (read: non-Chinese, uncensored) media to talk about the incinerators running non-stop 24/7 to dispose of all the corpses, and thousands of funeral urns stacked up outside of funeral homes, with the families of the dead being given large "hush money" payments so as not to talk about just how bad things really are over there. These are facts, not speculation. "Could'a been..." means NOTHING right now.

They lied, and they're STILL lying, and this affects everyone. By all means, I would love to see some kind of repercussions for this, because F*CK that garbage. Hypothetically, we all could've gotten way, WAY out in front of this, except that China wants to protect their status as the world's leading manufacturer. That's why they're staging fake photo ops showing empty hospital beds, leaving the lights on in office buildings 24/7 to make it look like things are "normal" even though the buildings are empty, and getting ready to "allow" (force) their people to go back to work despite there being no downturn in the numbers whatsoever. It's all a smokescreen so they can protect THEIR bottom line. They don't care if their own people die, so you know damn well they don't care if the rest of the world catches fire, either, so long as their slave labor trade gets to go back to normal soon.

You talk about "someone having to be severely mentally ill"? Take a good long read about how the Chinese government actually operates, and has for a very, very, very long time. Actually research how they treat their own people. They pretty much wrote the entire book on human rights violations.
"Mentally ill" doesn't even begin to describe.

I harbor no ill will towards the citizens of China, most of whom were simply born into a cesspool they didn't create and are simply making the best of it. But in all honesty, f*ck the Chinese government, for this and a million other reasons. They're f*cking monsters.

Meanwhile, I'm still having a VERY hard time writing this off as an accident or a coincidence. For one thing, I don't believe in "coincidence". The "official" story is that it came from someone eating a bat, or SOMEthing (even that seems to change every day, kinda odd how that works) but other reports say the virus can't be transmitted via human-to-animal contact, period (such as the ones begging people not to abandon their pets at shelters since they can't pass the virus to humans). But even that seems to change often; first they said dogs and cats can't get it, now they say they can. Seems to me like nobody really "knows" ANYTHING about how this got started, or how it works, all they can do is speculate and HOPE it wasn't created in a lab, mostly to try and curb down any anti-Chinese sentiment. And I get that. But doesn't it kinda make just a little bit more sense, with the world's largest bio-weapon research facility just 100 yards away from Patient Zero, that THAT would be where some kind of hyper-aggressive and untreatable virus came from, rather than some random guy eating a bat which apparently happens every day over there? Like, how did this JUST happen out of nowhere if those wet markets and people eating diseased animals is "part of the culture"? Shouldn't it have already happened a long time ago?

I don't go much for speculation, nor wishful thinking. But again, here are the facts that we know:
- I can't find the articles right now, but I recently read several which reported that in 2018, and again in September 2019, several Chinese "nationalists" were caught smuggling SARS and other aggressive and contagious viral bacteria into the U.S.
- The bio-weapons lab in Wuhan is like, rightoverthere from where the outbreak started.
- The Chinese government has been having a helluva time silencing those protestors over there recently, and would definitely love for them to either disappear or become occupied with something else.
- Trump recently got the better of China in that whole trade deal, which they were supremely unhappy about, especially being embarrassed on the world stage.
- The Chinese government is run by lunatics.
- The Chinese government tried to imprison and silence anyone who tried to warn the world about the virus.
- Everyone who tried to warn us about it months ago is dead.
- China lied, and is still lying, about damn near everything having to do with this situation.

This is all very, very, VERY "convenient", is all I'm saying.

Do I KNOW, for a fact, that the Chinese government finagled some new bio-weapon to commit a two-pronged assault against their own dissenters and "those pesky Americans", and the whole thing just got out of hand? No, I don't know that for a fact. I just know that there's a lot more evidence of THAT, than there is that some guy ate some bad meat and now we're all gonna die. THAT sounds a lot like a smokescreen, in the face of all that other information. The fact alone that on no less than TWO separate occasions in the last two years alone, spies from China got caught smuggling viruses into the United States, is a novel unto itself.

I get that we don't want WWIII to break out, or for people to go around punching or stabbing random Chinese people over this. But by all means, hold their goddamn government responsible and find a way to sanction them for this because this IS their fault. Even if it was an accident - and I'm not convinced that it is - but even if, they lied, they covered up, they "eliminated" the people who tried to warn us, and now a LOT of people are dead. That's malicious intent. Even if the Chinese government had NOTHING at all to do with the virus, the fact that it's only SO bad because they f*cking lied, and are still lying, means that they need to be held accountable in some way. SOMEHOW. Anything else simply isn't right.

If you have information about a crime, and you lie to the police about it, you can in turn be charged with "obstruction of justice". Because you had information that would have helped them solve a crime and possibly save lives, and your silence and/or dishonesty could in theory cause great harm to others. Well, China's handling of the outbreak is "obstruction of justice" on a massive scale. Individuals go to jail over much smaller instances than that, so we damn well can hold their government accountable to SOME degree for this. Nothing else makes sense.

Again, this is not a "call to arms" against an entire race of people. This is a common sense plea for accountability given the fact that China's actions, or inactions, have led to countless deaths and the collapse of the entire global economy. Independent financial reports are now confirming that we're heading for a second Great Depression - NOT a recession, but a full-blown Depression - which will affect the entire planet for the next 10 to 15 years. Double-digit unemployment, indefinitely. Homelessness on an unprecedented scale, the likes of which we've never, ever seen. At least 50% of the people who are out of work right now are never, EVER going to work again. This is real, this is happening. We are ALL f*cked no matter what happens with this virus in the next month or two.

Given all that, and all that we know... yeah, the Chinese government has earned a f*cking spanking at the absolute least. We can't just shrug it off and say "Oh well", simply because we don't want to be "mean". Because believe me, THEY don't give a single f*ck about you. They don't even care about their own. This is a f*cking joke to them.

Sadly, you spoken true words. I really don't see why people are defended the Chinese government over this. China claiming there leading the good fight, and again claiming that they have beaten the Coronavirus, when stacks of bodies say other wise. I don't hate the Chinese people, They have a rich history and I get that, but The China of the 3 Kingdoms era and the middle ages of philosophy is NOT the same China of Mao. This is up there with Stalin Russian. Or North Korea even with world views. The worse mistake they did was try and hide this and telling lies about the virus. It wont transfer to person to person, and the media stupidly, just on China's word(And China all ready knew the answer) took there word for it.

Now lets all go drink Cow piss and cure ourselves from this Coronavirus.

[Leo656]

To play Devil's advocate, I understand that some people are very adamant about not giving in to feelings of hatred and fear during this difficult time. I get that. I get that some people want to believe only the best in people and that this was all some tragic accident that couldn't possibly have been avoided or in any way mitigated. I get that some people would rather just try and move forward and not point fingers.

I get it. But here's the thing: China's negligence is on point to kill untold millions. You can't just wish it away. They broke the f*cking WORLD.

Some of those same people want politicians thrown in jail for not disclosing their income tax returns, or for lying about things of far less consequence than this.

If EVER there was a time to point a finger at anyone and say, "HEY asshole, thanks for f*cking ruining sh*t for the rest of us," well, it's now. There's never BEEN a bigger "Oops!" than this.

I'm not saying go right to dropping bombs or anything like that, but for f*ck's sake, if the tables were turned and WE had been the virus's country of origin, they'd be calling this an act of war and demanding Trump be turned over to stand trial for war crimes on account of unleashing a plague. Let's just be real about that.

If nothing else, China needs to get their f*cking house in order, and if the only way to do so is by some outside force, well... I don't think they've earned any leniency. Japan and Germany had to be "spanked" and taught how to act once their own little "indiscretions" went on to affect millions and millions of people around the world and it wasn't in their own backyard anymore. This should be no different.

If they won't "behave" for the carrot, they get the stick. Simple and Fair.

[turtle1237]

To play Devil's advocate, I understand that some people are very adamant about not giving in to feelings of hatred and fear during this difficult time. I get that. I get that some people want to believe only the best in people and that this was all some tragic accident that couldn't possibly have been avoided or in any way mitigated. I get that some people would rather just try and move forward and not point fingers.

I get it. But here's the thing: China's negligence is on point to kill untold millions. You can't just wish it away. They broke the f*cking WORLD.

Some of those same people want politicians thrown in jail for not disclosing their income tax returns, or for lying about things of far less consequence than this.

If EVER there was a time to point a finger at anyone and say, "HEY asshole, thanks for f*cking ruining sh*t for the rest of us," well, it's now. There's never BEEN a bigger "Oops!" than this.

I'm not saying go right to dropping bombs or anything like that, but for f*ck's sake, if the tables were turned and WE had been the virus's country of origin, they'd be calling this an act of war and demanding Trump be turned over to stand trial for war crimes on account of unleashing a plague. Let's just be real about that.

If nothing else, China needs to get their f*cking house in order, and if the only way to do so is by some outside force, well... I don't think they've earned any leniency. Japan and Germany had to be "spanked" and taught how to act once their own little "indiscretions" went on to affect millions and millions of people around the world and it wasn't in their own backyard anymore. This should be no different.

If they won't "behave" for the carrot, they get the stick. Simple and Fair.

To be fair to Japan and Germany, WWII started before the Atomic Bomb(And way WORSE bombs today). The last thing any would want is to see 2 Nuclear Powers going toe to toe at each other(Or so I hope) I really don't see how one can "Punish" China with out some Militarily. No way would any one of there Government stand trial with out some show of force. And I think if we do go to War, Both sides will end up using the big bombs down the road.

[1987]

china is known for population control. ever heard of china’s “one-child policy”? if you have more than one child in china, they will force abortion. thats right, they kill their own people. it might be a “2 child policy” now, think they changed some things around not sure, but still shows you they want to control the population. i dont see how people are trying to blame this chinese virus on Trump.

i beieve the coronavirus is absolutely a chinese manmade bioweapon for population control, that unfortunately has spread all over the world. dont know if it was intentional or not, but it happened. definitely some conspiracy $hit going on here, they’re trying to kill us all

CHINA IS A DIRTY FILTHY DISGUSTING COUNTRY, NASTYA$$ PEOPLE. THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT....NOT FOR THIS!

[Leo656]

And I think if we do go to War, Both sides will end up using the big bombs down the road.

Could happen.

It was only a matter of time until their mess seeped out and affected everyone else. If it wasn't this it would be something else. And if it wasn't them it would be North Korea.

I'm just beyond sick of how many countries get away with completely inexcusable behavior because "That's their culture." I don't buy it. I'm Irish; my "native culture" is predominantly built on binge-drinking and wife-beating. Not exactly something to be proud of. From where I sit, "culture" is just a word people throw around to dismiss inexcusable behaviors that they'd rather pretend don't exist, so long as it happens "over there".

You see it all over the world, every day. Go ahead and look at a map and pick a random country you can't spell, and you'll find atrocities committed and people ignoring it because of "culture". Genital mutilation and honor killings. "Well, it's their culture!" Marrying and raping 8-year olds. "Well, it's their culture!" Binding the feet of female babies and throwing them in a river to drown. "Well, it's their culture!" Eating diseased wild animals. "Well, it's their culture!" Literal slave labor, sex trafficking, and child prostitution. "Well, it's their culture! Who are WE to judge them from way over here?"

I dunno. Decent human beings, maybe? :roll: This is why I don't get mad when Trump or anyone talks about "Sh*thole countries". A lot of 'em ARE. If you live in a country where ANY or all of the above is "the norm", and furthermore enforced by government law then I'm sorry, you live in a "sh*thole country." Maybe it's not your fault, but them's the breaks, cupcake. And it pisses me off that we're supposed to just ignore it, just because it's "Over There" and they've been doing it a while. That doesn't make ANY of it "OKAY".

This is what happens when you let people be evil and just turn a blind eye to it, and dismiss it all as "culture". Eventually, it gets loose, and then we ALL can't close our eyes to it anymore. But by then it's too late.

F*ck "culture". Seriously. It's goddamn 2020, and half the planet hasn't gotten the memo that it's not the goddamn dark ages anymore. And we let it be that way instead of forcing them to get f*cking real already.

This is what you get.
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If anything I just think maybe the Chinese government will make some kind of reparation payments or something. I don't think anyone is going to have the endurance to start an actual war after all this, but a lot of people are going to demand they be held accountable in some way, even if it's mostly ceremonial. So I can see a staged "We're sorry" speech and maybe cutting a few checks. That'll probably be the end of it.

[IndigoErth]

After so much other crap I've seen elsewhere online, the conspiracy BS makes me want to punch people... They're lucky that would be like nothing. But so much loony background noise trying to manipulate and be heard over top of reality and the facts gets frustrating.

[Leo656]

Well what are we calling a "conspiracy", exactly?

For my part, all I did was cite known and easily-researched facts, all of which paint a rather grim picture. But that hardly constitutes "conspiracy". "Conspiracy" implies that there's no smoke to the fire whatsoever and that people are just making things up to create links where none exist.

This is one case where the evidence simply does not speak to this being an accident. Maybe it was, but an honest person would have to admit, that's a LOT of "coincidences" stacked on top of each other. Just sayin'.

[IndigoErth]

I should never have gotten back into the cesspool that is Yahoo Answers. I don't normally screen shot, but here's a few gems I saved today... (Minus the other two about executing liberals.)

https://i.imgur.com/no2qhrj.jpg

Yeah, normally it implies there is no smoke, but unfortunately there are also a lot of people these days who will choose to see smoke that isn't there.

[Sumac]

Viruses can jump from animals to humans. HIV, for example, existed for thousand years in apes, before transmitting to humans around 1900s. It has not become a global epidemic back than, because people couldn't travel so easily throughout the world.
Nowadays is another matter.

Besides, the strain which had caused Chinese Virus was well known to scientists and they have tried to warn that at some point it might jump to humans. But, as always, Chinese government gave less than a **** and we now have what we have.

[turtle1237]

Well what are we calling a "conspiracy", exactly?

For my part, all I did was cite known and easily-researched facts, all of which paint a rather grim picture. But that hardly constitutes "conspiracy". "Conspiracy" implies that there's no smoke to the fire whatsoever and that people are just making things up to create links where none exist.

This is one case where the evidence simply does not speak to this being an accident. Maybe it was, but an honest person would have to admit, that's a LOT of "coincidences" stacked on top of each other. Just sayin'.

Before the outbreak, I preorder my Shantae Pop toy from Gamestop. Any other day, I could walk in and take it lol. Fully paid and all. But the outbreak close a LOT of shops. Even Gamestop. Don't want to order it from Amazon, because I be buying 2 lol. Maybe.

Its not the worse thing in the world, and I am sure 14$ is not much in the grand scheme of things. But depended how LONG this goes on, I am not sure how many more of my preorders will be held up. Guess I just have to hit Walmark for things down the road I guess. They at least sell food which keeps em open.

[Leo656]

I should never have gotten back into the cesspool that is Yahoo Answers. I don't normally screen shot, but here's a few gems I saved today... (Minus the other two about executing liberals.)

https://i.imgur.com/no2qhrj.jpg

Yeah, normally it implies there is no smoke, but unfortunately there are also a lot of people these days who will choose to see smoke that isn't there.

Well, a lot of that stuff is pretty silly, yes.

My favorite was one a friend shared with me for laughs; someone on FB posted that this is all about covering up the global Hollywood/elite pedophile conspiracy, that it's SO widespread and entrenched that they needed to distract everyone with a fictional plague while multiple celebrities and rich people were being arrested and executed in large numbers. Basically, any celebrities who announced they had "contracted COVID-19 and were in quarantine" had actually been arrested on pedophile charges and were being sequestered away so that the government could give them a choice in how they'd be dealt with. Any famous people who died from the virus are "actually" being executed, both as punishment for being pedophiles but also as a way to keep the cover on it so they don't blow the whistle. Basically, "If you cooperate, we'll quietly execute you and tell the world you died from the virus so that you can maintain your dignity and reputation." The shutdown and everything is all part of the smokescreen.

As conspiracy theories go, it was definitely one of the most intricate and thought-out that I'd ever encountered. :lol:

EDIT: Aha! Found it! Enjoy. :lol:
https://www.facebook.com/linda.m.whitehead.9/posts/2841135545962756

You gotta admit, that is, like, the Gold Standard of conspiracy theories. I'd genuinely love to know what some people are smoking. Especially since it's 4:20 all month and I'm already running low. :lol:

[turtle1237]

Well, a lot of that stuff is pretty silly, yes.

My favorite was one a friend shared with me for laughs; someone on FB posted that this is all about covering up the global Hollywood/elite pedophile conspiracy, that it's SO widespread and entrenched that they needed to distract everyone with a fictional plague while multiple celebrities and rich people were being arrested and executed in large numbers. Basically, any celebrities who announced they had "contracted COVID-19 and were in quarantine" had actually been arrested on pedophile charges and were being sequestered away so that the government could give them a choice in how they'd be dealt with. Any famous people who died from the virus are "actually" being executed, both as punishment for being pedophiles but also as a way to keep the cover on it so they don't blow the whistle. Basically, "If you cooperate, we'll quietly execute you and tell the world you died from the virus so that you can maintain your dignity and reputation." The shutdown and everything is all part of the smokescreen.

As conspiracy theories go, it was definitely one of the most intricate and thought-out that I'd ever encountered. :lol:

EDIT: Aha! Found it! Enjoy. :lol:
https://www.facebook.com/linda.m.whitehead.9/posts/2841135545962756

You gotta admit, that is, like, the Gold Standard of conspiracy theories. I'd genuinely love to know what some people are smoking. Especially since it's 4:20 all month and I'm already running low. :lol:

I know a ring was busted that involved SOME celebrities, but this thing is so WIDESPREAD and so many people are all ready dead, (US with a little over 5000), but so far the celebrities that did get the Coronavirus have recover or not at death's door, mainly because they are rich and can afford better health care, and are walking around doing there own thing. Is Saints Coach Sean Payton getting charge and facing jail time? No, he got Coronavirus and is recovering. If this is a fake, why are people dropping like Flies?

[Leo656]

Some people insist the Holocaust never happened and that people in the 1940s just had, like, amazing Photoshop skills, the likes of which wouldn't be seen again until 2010 or so. :lol:

You can't reason with crazy people. They're crazy.

[turtle1237]

Some people insist the Holocaust never happened and that people in the 1940s just had, like, amazing Photoshop skills, the likes of which wouldn't be seen again until 2010 or so. :lol:

You can't reason with crazy people. They're crazy.

Saying the Holocaust never happen to me is like saying Ann Frank was not real. And I just cant accept that. Her dairy ALWAYS has a place on my shelf.

[IndigoErth]

Well, a lot of that stuff is pretty silly, yes.

My favorite was one a friend shared with me for laughs; someone on FB posted that this is all about covering up the global Hollywood/elite pedophile conspiracy, that it's SO widespread and entrenched that they needed to distract everyone with a fictional plague while multiple celebrities and rich people were being arrested and executed in large numbers. Basically, any celebrities who announced they had "contracted COVID-19 and were in quarantine" had actually been arrested on pedophile charges and were being sequestered away so that the government could give them a choice in how they'd be dealt with. Any famous people who died from the virus are "actually" being executed, both as punishment for being pedophiles but also as a way to keep the cover on it so they don't blow the whistle. Basically, "If you cooperate, we'll quietly execute you and tell the world you died from the virus so that you can maintain your dignity and reputation." The shutdown and everything is all part of the smokescreen.

As conspiracy theories go, it was definitely one of the most intricate and thought-out that I'd ever encountered. :lol:

EDIT: Aha! Found it! Enjoy. :lol:
https://www.facebook.com/linda.m.whitehead.9/posts/2841135545962756

You gotta admit, that is, like, the Gold Standard of conspiracy theories. I'd genuinely love to know what some people are smoking. Especially since it's 4:20 all month and I'm already running low. :lol:
Good grief. Sounds like a much more detailed version of what I recently heard about it being a coverup while "something else bigger is going on."

While we're sharing crazy people... If anyone hasn't seen it, here's a nice article about a train engineer who apparently believed that the hospital ship Mercy is not what it appears and decided to try to attack it...with the train engine.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/train-engineer-intentionally-derails-locomotive-near-hospital-ship-in-la-2020-04-01

The locomotive crashed through a series of barriers and fences before coming to rest more than 250 yards from the U.S. Navy Hospital Ship Mercy on Tuesday, the U.S. Department of Justice said in a release.

Nobody was hurt.

Eduardo Moreno, 44, was charged with one count of train wrecking, prosecutors said. It wasn’t immediately known if he has an attorney.

Moreno acknowledged in two separate interviews with law enforcement that he intentionally derailed and crashed the train near the Mercy, according to the criminal complaint.

“You only get this chance once. The whole world is watching. I had to,” Moreno told investigators, according to the complaint.“People don’t know what’s going on here. Now they will.”

Moreno said he was suspicious of the Mercy and believed it had an alternate purpose related to COVID-19 or a government takeover, an affidavit states. Moreno stated that he acted alone and had not pre-planned the attempted attack.

In an interview with FBI agents, Moreno stated that “he did it out of the desire to ‘wake people up,’” according to an affidavit.

“Moreno stated that he thought that the USNS Mercy was suspicious and did not believe ‘the ship is what they say it’s for,’” the complaint said.
“Phillip Sanfield, spokesman for the Port of Los Angeles, said the locomotive never came close to the Mercy.

It would have had to have gone several hundred yards through a parking lot and cross a water channel to reach the ship,” Sanfield said. “ The tracks are nowhere near the Mercy.”

Guess he thought it would get farther. But yikes... someone like this was in charge of a train engine? Nice. Glad no one got hurt.

But it's saddening and frustrating that some of this conspiracy stuff just feeds into these kind of things. It's so random to just decide that a hospital ship there to help people must have some kind of secret motives and needs to be attacked. Did he come up with it on his own or was he inspired by some other source.

[Leo656]

Just wait'll next week, when the nationwide "Stock up on 30 days worth of food because we're closing the grocery stores, too" orders come out. Followed by armed National Guardsmen on patrol keeping people in their homes at gunpoint.

You think we're seeing "crazy" now? We ain't even halfway there.



Guess he thought it would get farther. But yikes... someone like this was in charge of a train engine? Nice. Glad no one got hurt.

But it's saddening and frustrating that some of this conspiracy stuff just feeds into these kind of things. It's so random to just decide that a hospital ship there to help people must have some kind of secret motives and needs to be attacked. Did it come up with it on his own or was he inspired by some other source.

Popular music has convinced me that most if not all people who are tasked with "driving that train" are generally, in turn, high on cocaine. They then may or may not find second careers as TMNT characters afterwards. Regardless, it explains a lot.

[IndigoErth]

Just wait'll next week, when the nationwide "Stock up on 30 days worth of food because we're closing the grocery stores, too" orders come out. Followed by armed National Guardsmen on patrol keeping people in their homes at gunpoint.

You think we're seeing "crazy" now? We ain't even halfway there.
Alright, then we'll check back in a week and see if you're right or if I'm right at scoffing at that notion.


In the meantime, please tell your Jersey people to stop coming over here.

[Leo656]

HAH! If anyone listened to me when I told 'em to do sh*t my knuckles wouldn't be all scarred up and worn-down. :lol:

Males have to be at least 6' even before they're granted any authority whatsoever. I don't agree with it but I wasn't at the meeting. Knowing me I was either drinking, masturbating, or drunk masturbating. But yeah nobody listens to me. Sorry. They should! I agree with you that they should. But they don't.

In all seriousness, though, several states are discussing "full lockdown" protocols, but obviously not very loudly, because that would cause (more) panic, and we've already seen how Americans handle bad news they can't do anything about. It's ultimately going to depend on whether or not people continue to blatantly disobey the "stay at home" orders.

The President of the Philippines is advocating shooting people in the streets for disobeying the order. "Over there", sure, but what's good for the goose, etc. etc. If people continue to thumb their nose at authority then "authority" is going to to enforce the rules by any means necessary. I don't see what's so farfetched about it. All bets are off at this point.

[Coola Yagami]

On smaller news, GameStop is stubborn as hell. First they tried to stay open despite warnings, claiming to be an 'essential business', until they officially got shut down 2 days later.

Now GameStop has re-opened in which the higher ups found some sort of legal loophole where they continue to claim to be an 'essential business'. They want their employees to fight police, even when this means some of them end up with fees and court dates for breaking the 'stay at home' law.

I thought it was a joke until I got an email with the 'great news' that I can still go to my local GameStop to pick up some games.

Sheesh.

[Andrew NDB]

Does anyone know much about, in terms of Unemployment benefits, the new coronavirus unemployment benefits they approved? Apparently myself and people like myself are going to be getting an extra $600 a week on top of the regular benefits through July?

[CyberCubed]

Whelp, just got told today at the job I can only come in 1 day a week now. So starting next week I can only work on Fridays. That means I’ll only be getting 8 hours of pay a week now.

Looks like it was only a matter of time. They don’t want many people in the office so each person comes in 1 day a week scattered besides the supervisor/managers. And since this lockdown probably won’t end till November or even further, this will be it for the rest of the year most likely. I am not strapped for cash so I’ll be fine but it is kinda odd I’ll only get 1 day of pay a week now.

Ah well. At least I’ll keep busy at home marathoning shows/movies and video games like usual.

[IndigoErth]

That sucks, Cubed, what became of just getting to work from home? :ohwell: Well... at least you'd surely qualify for the unemployment?

The President of the Philippines is advocating shooting people in the streets for disobeying the order. "Over there", sure, but what's good for the goose, etc. etc.
Actually "over there" isn't comforting at all. A lifelong friend's parents are over there, having gone to visit family over the winter and the flight out has been rescheduled twice... Now on the 12th (yay Easter trapped on a plane with god knows what...), so I hope they're allowed to leave, eesh.

Okay, you don't need to wrangle the Jersey people. Our police are supposedly going to start stopping out of state cars (excluding I-95 and two others). That'll learn 'em. I think if I was a cop that might be fun trying to spot any that tried to sneak in, like hunting down runaways from a herd. :tlol:


On smaller news, GameStop is stubborn as hell. First they tried to stay open despite warnings, claiming to be an 'essential business', until they officially got shut down 2 days later.

Now GameStop has re-opened in which the higher ups found some sort of legal loophole where they continue to claim to be an 'essential business'. They want their employees to fight police, even when this means some of them end up with fees and court dates for breaking the 'stay at home' law.

I thought it was a joke until I got an email with the 'great news' that I can still go to my local GameStop to pick up some games.

Sheesh.
What is wrong with them? And who even owns that company... Sounds like some kind of "can't tell me what to do!" manchild who never outgrew a pissy teen attitude. :tconfuse: Should win an award for being one of the companies to care the least about their employees.

Really, don't they do shipped online orders? And on the customer end, are not game sellers (at least to some extent?) like Walmart and Target still open? Amazon?

[Leo656]

In fairness to GameStop, all news about their financial future has been incredibly grim for the past year and by all accounts they're holding on by a thread. Online orders aren't going to sustain them, especially with more and more people being discouraged from ordering anything "non-essential" so as not to overburden warehouse workers and delivery drivers, many of whom are already planning to strike soon if things don't improve.

This ordeal will likely be the KO punch that puts GameStop out of business once and for all. Playing Devil's advocate, while I'm incredibly empathetic to the workers who are ostensibly at-risk - although realistically they're at far less of a risk than the average grocery store cashier is, for example, simply because GameStop stores have about 1/1000th the traffic on any given day - I can also empathize that the owners of the company are not inclined to simply roll over and die without a fight.

I mean, no, they're not "essential", but neither are liquor stores and they're allowed to stay open, mostly based on the fact that they don't get massive amounts of traffic and thus are "low-risk" compared to many other businesses. Like GameStop, it's incredibly rare to ever see more than five people at a time in a liquor store unless it's a festive holiday. And unlike liquor stores, at least GameStop was advised to do roadside delivery so as to cut down on the human traffic inside the stores themselves.

I kinda feel like this "confusion" as to what's "essential" and what isn't is what's making this so muddy for some people. To wit: I can literally go into a liquor store, put my hands all over everything, bring my purchase to the counter, pay cash without gloves on, and leave, and that's no problem for anyone. People are doing it every day. But a video game store agrees to not allow anyone IN the store (which is tiny), the workers (of which no more than two ever work the same shift) cover their faces and hands, disinfect everything to a reasonable degree, and bring your bag to your car, and they still have to shut down? Something isn't adding up, here. One could argue that both of these businesses are "non-essential", yet the one with the lower risk factor and the higher level of precautions being taken is forced to close, because it's "just" video games? I could say that it's "just alcohol" on the other side of it, right? Neither one of them is technically worth risking lives over, and yet there's a double standard at work.

So yeah, given the double standard and the fact that the people who own GameStop realize that this is literally going to put them out of business, I'm not the least bit surprised that they're doing everything they can to try and stay afloat. Last I heard, nobody had proven to have contracted COVID-19 at a video game store. You're infinitely more likely to contract it at a Shop-Rite or a Walmart or even a McDonald's. The "essential" businesses. Because yes, we all need food, but on the flip side, those places are literal zoos/petri dishes, full of swarms and swarms of people, many of whom are definitely carrying the virus and don't know it. Statistically, if given the choice on any given day, and I was only allowed to leave the house for ONE thing, and assuming I had most of the food, etc. I needed, I'd take my chances going to GameStop over going to Shop-Rite. A store the size of a large living room that's super-easy to clean, has a maximum of two employees inside, and never has more than a half dozen people inside unless it's Christmas Eve, is infinitely, infinitely safer than a grocery store if we're being completely objective about it. The rest simply comes down to, "Eh, f*ck those nerds and their video games." Well, some of those nerds would say, "F*ck those slobs and their alcohol," but nobody asked their opinion and they don't get a vote in this.

As a huge gamer who's nonetheless incredibly wary of this entire situation, I empathize. It doesn't affect me TOO dramatically because Lord know I'm in no position to spend a dime on anything that isn't food for... well, probably the rest of my life now, honestly, however long that lasts. I'm used to buying games and action figures every single week, but that's apparently not in the cards for me anytime soon, maybe ever again (I don't foresee being able to find a job once this ordeal is over). People sh*t on GameStop because of their abysmal return and exchange policies, but as someone who simply doesn't get rid of games it's never been a problem for me. In my life, they have been "essential", because without them I never could have amassed such an amazing collection of games, and without games I'd be dead by now, full-stop. Gaming has gotten me through some of the darkest and most miserable times in my life, including now, and over 90% of what I own came from GameStop (or one of the numerous companies they used to be, going all the way back to FuncoLand).

I almost NEVER buy games at Walmart or other stores because the prices are ridiculous and almost never come down on anything anyone would actually want to play, whereas GameStop at least will drop the prices on even "new" (as in months-old, but not used) games after a couple months, meanwhile Walmart will still charge $40 for a two-year old sports game, which is lunacy. I also only buy 99% used games, not because I want to screw over the developers or publishers, but because I'm not f*cking rich and can't drop $50 on a single game and still sleep at night, can't do it. I can take that $50 to GameStop and get ten things for that, sometimes. No different than buying secondhand clothes at a thrift store, in my mind; the developer already got their full cut when the game sold the first time at full-price. Meanwhile, eBay and Amazon generally suck for buying games because people always try and screw you on shipping and you don't always know what you're getting. I've had games come in with no case, or with scratched/dirty discs, and stuff that plain didn't work, even from online sellers with 100% feedback. But I've NEVER had a problem buying from GameStop, I save tons of money and their staff has been infinitely helpful over the years when it comes to recommending stuff I might like to play. I owe that company a lot, no smoke. Other people have their grievances, but they've always treated me just fine.

Bottom line, I don't know what decision I personally would make if I were in their position, but I get why they're fighting to stay alive by any means necessary. And I do have a vested interest because people like me are going to be hugely screwed when they inevitably do close down for good. The argument of which businesses are "essential" is obviously open to interpretation right now, to some degree, and nobody WANTS to lose everything (although some businesses, if not most, are inevitably going to). You can't fault people for not wanting to roll over and die, for not wanting to lose their business, especially when their own version of "putting people at risk" is not even 1/100th of the "risk" other stores run by staying open.

I get it. "It's just video games". And that's fine. Literally every time ONE person goes outside for any reason, we're ALL at risk. I get it! But again, some of this simply is not balanced. Hundreds of people at a time inside a Shop-Rite, every single day, and at least half of the employees don't wear gloves or masks. "Acceptable risk, they're essential." But over here at this game store, a person wearing gloves and a mask will NOT let anyone in the store at all, but will deliver a bag with your purchase in it directly to your car, reducing the actual person-to-person contact to almost zero. "Shut 'em down, not worth the risk."

It doesn't quite add up, and that's why some businesses (including Hobby Lobby, now) are fighting to stay open. What's "essential" and what constitutes "risk" simply isn't universal by any stretch of the imagination, and NOBODY is simply going to roll over and give up their business until it's PROVEN that their own business is infecting or has infected people.

It sucks all around. All I can say is, we'd best pray that some Shop-Rite or Walmart cashier doesn't suddenly catch the sniffles, because you know what comes after THAT, right? Boom, FULL lockdown. Even grocery stores won't be considered "essential" at that point, and you can believe that all these smaller businesses being forced to close "early" in spite of taking greater precautions aren't going to be too happy about it.

[Redeemer]

As a former(recent) Gamestop employee I suggest you guys go over to r/Gamestop :lol: the stories you see from employees are crazy.

[IndigoErth]

All I can say is, we'd best pray that some Shop-Rite or Walmart cashier doesn't suddenly catch the sniffles, because you know what comes after THAT, right? Boom, FULL lockdown.
Actually... It already came to public attention just yesterday that an employee (but not sure what they do there) at our nearest Shoprite DID test positive, and my mom and uncle where just there Monday. Nice. But they remain or are back to normal hours, or so said the info.





Came across this interesting piece and thought it worth sharing, esp since this is something some people may already have on hand.

https://www.businessinsider.com/homemade-mask-using-hydro-knit-shop-towel-filters-better-2020-4

Using blue shop towels in homemade face masks can filter particles 2x to 3x better than cotton, 3 clothing designers discover after testing dozens of fabrics

Medoff and two friends were appalled by the dozens of mask patterns calling for cotton, a highly breathable, permeable fabric, and became obsessed with finding a fabric better suited for the job. They built a lab that could test particle filtration down to 0.3 microns and tested every fabric they could find, from coffee filters to industrial materials.

They discovered that by adding two blue shop towels and using a design that produces a tighter-fitting mask, they could make a mask that could block up to 95% of the particles they could test, while the cotton masks blocked 20% to 60% of the particles.

These are not meant to replace the N95 masks worn by healthcare workers — they're designed to be an alternative to the cotton masks that many people are making and wearing for quick trips to the grocery store.
"We spent a few days researching and brainstorming any material that could filter: coffee filters, batting, window shades, Swiffer, interfacing, etc., all the way to more technical materials that are available to specialized industrial sectors like aviation, oil refinery, medical fields," Schempf said.

They bought a $1,400 particulate-counter device from Grainger that measures filtration ability down to 0.3 microns and spent another 10 sleepless days testing all the fabrics they could find.

They wanted a material they could buy as easily as cotton but that balanced filtration with breathability — they discovered that HEPA vacuum-cleaner bags, for instance, had great filtration but were too suffocating to wear.

The ideal material turned out to be stretchy blue shop towels made from a polyester hydro knit.

Inserting two of these towels into an ordinary cotton mask brought filtration up to 93% of particles as small as 0.3 microns, the smallest their machine could test. Meanwhile, the cotton masks filtered 60% of particles at best in their tests, Schempf said.

Polyester hydro knit towels are readily available at hardware and automotive stores. The two brands they tested were ToolBox's shop towel and ZEP's industrial blue towel. Interestingly, Scott's pro shop towels, which are also made with a hydro knit fabric, didn't work as well, Schempf said.

The team is continuing to test other brands.

And though he's using the brand that was less recommended...

mai-UqdNRi8

(Pep Boys currently has some rolls of the Tool Box brand on eBay.)

[Coola Yagami]

I'm just thinking things are so bad at GameStop that if they shut down now they won't be around to re-open once all this blows over.

[CyberCubed]

New York is the most infected state in the U.S.:

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/03/826669092/cuomo-says-new-york-has-seen-highest-single-increase-in-deaths-from-coronavirus

562 deaths in the last 24 hours, and total deaths is at 2,935. There's also thousands infected with the virus.

Whelp, and I am right in the middle of it all. Those of you living next to NY too, this is going to get nuts

[80gmrp]

Somehow I'm still able to work at my dayjob. Not to say I'm unaffected, however: for one, I received word that next week I'll need to wear a facemask to work.

[Andrew NDB]

Whelp, just got told today at the job I can only come in 1 day a week now. So starting next week I can only work on Fridays. That means I’ll only be getting 8 hours of pay a week now.

Looks like it was only a matter of time. They don’t want many people in the office so each person comes in 1 day a week scattered besides the supervisor/managers. And since this lockdown probably won’t end till November or even further, this will be it for the rest of the year most likely. I am not strapped for cash so I’ll be fine but it is kinda odd I’ll only get 1 day of pay a week now.

Ah well. At least I’ll keep busy at home marathoning shows/movies and video games like usual.

That means you can immediately file for unemployment and be eligible for the extra $600 a week on top of it. You should be happy.

[IndigoErth]

Somehow I'm still able to work at my dayjob. Not to say I'm unaffected, however: for one, I received word that next week I'll need to wear a facemask to work.
And how do they expect people to find any? :tconfuse:



As it is, the general public now isn't even allowed to get anything from Amazon, be it a disposable dust mask or some shop or military style respirator...

Which annoys me a little if I'm honest, because while I understand why, I feel that healthcare workers...and "government officials"...should be able to get them directly from the manufacturers and not have to go through things like Amazon should they even be available and absurd that they should have to...but then on the rare and probably not likely chance Amazon ever did have anything in stock, now it's like the general public has no source at all, even while they're starting to suggest we should be wearing a mask.

[Storm Eagle]

And how do they expect people to find any? :tconfuse:



As it is, the general public now isn't even allowed to get anything from Amazon, be it a disposable dust mask or some shop or military style respirator...

Which annoys me a little if I'm honest, because while I understand why, I feel that healthcare workers...and "government officials"...should be able to get them directly from the manufacturers and not have to go through things like Amazon should they even be available and absurd that they should have to...but then on the rare and probably not likely chance Amazon ever did have anything in stock, now it's like the general public has no source at all, even while they're starting to suggest we should be wearing a mask.

It's kind of scary now that the CDC is now saying we should wear face masks. I don't have any of those, but I'll have to make one.

One of my friends got on my case about not having any latex gloves.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, me too. I ordered a couple foreign made ones from someone in FL via eBay that are supposedly RN95/N95...but then was contacted and being refunded for half of it because I'm only allowed to have one per order. God forbid I want to get two... one each for me and my mother, not even a backup for either of us. Guess mom will be getting this one. (Though for all I know they could be knockoffs, but it was actually affordable so...worth the try and better than nothing, I guess.)

After reading that article (that I previously posted) on the blue shop towels that have shown promise I ordered a couple roles of those, so if nothing else then it's something to try to make masks out of that will be better than cotton that everyone is pretending is supposed to help us.

I'm kind of "meh" on the gloves, personally. What is that supposed to do? Save you from having to wash your hands, though you really still should anyway?

In my non-expert opinion, all I see gloves doing is helping spread it around. So the cashier that touches our items at the checkout is wearing them. Okay, great for them. But if the person ahead of me is carrying the virus and got it on their items...can said virus not be transferred from their items to those gloves and then onto my items? :tconfuse: Where I can then take the virus into my home?

At best maybe they'll help remind people not to touch their face if they're in the habit of it when out in public.





edit: And at least when looking for certain things, can I just say how much I kind of despise a lot of eBay sellers? I spent so much time yesterday irritated wasting time browsing through listings where the vast majority of them have low ratings (or at least what I consider low -- anything below 98%, esp for older sellers) and the ridiculous amount of Chinese sellers who lie about their location.

While I'm not against ordering things from China on occasion, I was thinking of getting one of those seamless "tube" bandana things to wear out of the house, but Chinese listings (that claim to be in Jersey or Kentucky!) that may well actually be foreign and take a month are not helpful in the least. Grr.

And Amazon is no less irritating because it doesn't state third party seller location at all. Tried searching by what is fulfilled by Amazon to be sure that it's already on U.S. soil, but then that cuts out any legit U.S. sellers... who I can't tell if they're legit or not. :(

[Vicky82]

I'm not bothering with a mask because i'm not going out much only taking the dog out. Me and my Dad's weekly shopping is delivered and pretty quiet where I live anyway. So there's no point

The NHS and carers need masks a lot more than anyone else.

Also it's pointless wearing a mask if it's not used correctly. Because if you keep putting the mask on and off all the time it won't protect you from the virus.

[Sumac]

Went for a job yesterday. Was surprised how empty subway was. The rest of the city was quite empty too, but I remember seeing subway this empty only before the closing, somewhere closer to midnight and beyond.

Anyway, still gonna get to work few days per week.

[Roseangelo]

I'm officially locked down until at least May 3. Considering the last two weeks of March lasted about three years, this should be fun.

[IndigoErth]

Welcome to the involuntary staycation club. :)




In other news... Finally dug up a couple decent U.S. eBay sellers who had those bandana mask things I was after in colors I liked/wanted. (Didn't think I'd ever find a plain black one but finally did.) People seem to be grabbing these things up quick. Even if they won't save us, if we're forced to wear something, I bet these are going to be common...
These things are what I mean, or like those common ones with the lower half of skull printed over the wearer's mouth. (I got this pretty one before it now sold out. :D)
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JJQAAOSwbuJeiH1l/s-l300.gif
edit: If anyone else goes looking for those on there (or washable/reusable masks), just fyi be sure to check out the seller, there's a lot of Chinese ones lying about their location. :tmad: No use in buying what might take forever to show up.

[Roseangelo]

Welcome to the involuntary staycation club. :)

Oh, I've been in the club since March 18. My stay just got officially extended. Not a real surprise, though.

[oldmanwinters]

I'm officially locked down until at least May 3. Considering the last two weeks of March lasted about three years, this should be fun.

Remember how in TMNT #6, the Turtles adjusted their breathing in order to survive in a hibernation-like state on a low air supply (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OYe5Dzhc6Aw/U90ReBVDmWI/AAAAAAAANNo/5PSYJdxtV7Q/s1600/06-2.jpg)?

Probably doesn't apply to this deal, but it did come to my mind.

[IMJ]

Interesting video from the Anonymous Official youtube channel....

If You Think You Can Handle The Truth, Here It Is! (2020) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJjaQJTBTGU)

I actually find it interesting that this one is narrated "live"... videos from this group are normally dubbed over without a "face person".

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Which is why I made the second part of my comment.


Farms, slaughter houses, hunters, zoos, pets... Sure it could. There's plenty of interaction between humans and other creatures in the world, little to none of it exactly sanitary, where a species jumping virus could take the opportunity to pass from another creature to us.

I'm sure conditions in those markets help set up a perfect storm that highly increases the chance of it happening. Putting multiple species in such close proximity where a virus could jump between them, mutating along the way, and eventually mutate enough to get to humans, is incredibly stupid. But there is probably little special about those species themselves in China vs others in the world that make China more likely a starting point than anywhere else. A hunter in the U.S. or elsewhere, for example, could just as well pick up an unknown human-transmittable strain of a virus from a fresh kill. China's way of doing things isn't helping matters, absolutely not. But it's hardly the only place this kind of thing could start. Humankind unfortunately does not get any say in the opportunistic nature of viruses or when one will adapt in a way that lets it get to us.

I mean, god forbid it happen via dogs in puppy mills or egg/chicken producers that keep the birds all locked close together in small cages. Or mass production of pigs, which are very susceptible to catching and passing flu and other viruses. Or grimy places where people are keeping exotic animals they shouldn't have. There's so many potential sources in the world.


Thank you! I made that same point earlier, but apparently it was a "fairy tale" that such a disease could crop up ANYWHERE besides where it did. Never mind that both Volty and I already cited examples of same already having happened. I guess some folks just can't accept the idea that it's not the COUNTRY that is to blame, it's the CONDITIONS that led to it, which literally CAN exist anywhere in the world! (And DO, in more places than we like to think.)

[TommyT]

Thank you! I made that same point earlier, but apparently it was a "fairy tale" that such a disease could crop up ANYWHERE besides where it did. Never mind that both Volty and I already cited examples of same already having happened. I guess some folks just can't accept the idea that it's not the COUNTRY that is to blame, it's the CONDITIONS that led to it, which literally CAN exist anywhere in the world! (And DO, in more places than we like to think.)

My post of a similar nature was deleted.
Everybody wants someone to blame, who isn’t them. Poor people don’t eat well, and delicacy is really a cultural thing, just like language.

Nothing I just said should need saying, and yet...

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, I've been in the club since March 18. My stay just got officially extended. Not a real surprise, though.

That's me now for sure. That my hotel (or rather the ownership) laid off the entire sales team means that they've officially abandoned any hope of things turning around in the foreseeable future. Same with all hotels here, really. I can't really fathom a return to work until July.

[Sumac]

Thank you! I made that same point earlier, but apparently it was a "fairy tale" that such a disease could crop up ANYWHERE besides where it did. Never mind that both Volty and I already cited examples of same already having happened. I guess some folks just can't accept the idea that it's not the COUNTRY that is to blame, it's the CONDITIONS that led to it, which literally CAN exist anywhere in the world! (And DO, in more places than we like to think.)
And those conditions have been created by the government, which could have easily changed them.
But, yeah, "it could had happened" anywhere. :lol:

Why are you so adamant on shifting blame from Chinese government, especially, when your own life is at risk, because, of their negligence?
Is it another case of "my ideology is more important to me than reality and logic (as well as my own life and life of my loved ones)"? It is not different at this point than religious zealotry and proclaiming that Earth is flat.

Once again, no-one advocates for beating up Asian people. However, negligence of the Chinese government should not be forgotten in order to not to repeat the same mistake.

And it is not a racism, unless you think that creating conditions for epidemic of dangerous viruses is part of their culture, intrinsically tied to their race.

Also, you can't be racist against culture or religion or ideology, just a reminder. Not that some people can tell a difference, since it is inconvenient to them that someone else other than "evil white people" can be stupid or do something bad. Some people in the West seemingly just get off of the self-flagellation and self-hate.

Everybody wants someone to blame, who isn’t them. Poor people don’t eat well, and delicacy is really a cultural thing, just like language.
Yeah, it is my fault as well as those thousands of dead people throughout the world that Chinese government, with its absolute power, can't feed their own people and those people prefer to eat dangerous infected ****, which can potentially bring about death of thousands, as it did.

The fact that both people eating dangerous **** and their government KNEW about it, just makes this situation even more ridiculous.

Nothing of what I said needed to be said, but some people still struggle with simple concepts.

[Galactus]

Thing is similar pandemics have originated in other countries including the United States.A fair criticism is pointing out why it seems to happen in China more but to pretend there's something wholly unique to the China is a little silly.

I'd have more sympathy for the drive to call out China on this issue if it wasn't for the fact that the political figures doing this are ones that have been okay China's rise as a economic force to the point that most of the Western world so dependent on products from there.

Even the 'regular' people that are furiously tweeting about all this are unironically doing so in their iPhones. It all comes off as less of an attempt to hold China to account for legitimate problems with their wet markets and suppressing information on Covid-19 for months and more to deflect from their own governments failings in getting to grips with the spread of it in their own countries. I have zero faith that when all this is over and a scapegoat is no longer needed that these kinds of people will do anything to force China to change.

[Sumac]

Thing is similar pandemics have originated in other countries including the United States.A fair criticism is pointing out why it seems to happen in China more but to pretend there's something wholly unique to the China is a little silly.

I'd have more sympathy for the drive to call out China on this issue if it wasn't for the fact that the political figures doing this are ones that have been okay China's rise as a economic force to the point that most of the Western world so dependent on products from there.

Even the 'regular' people that are furiously tweeting about all this are unironically doing so in their iPhones. It all comes off as less of an attempt to hold China to account for legitimate problems with their wet markets and suppressing information on Covid-19 for months and more to deflect from their own governments failings in getting to grips with the spread of it in their own countries. I have zero faith that when all this is over and a scapegoat is no longer needed that these kinds of people will do anything to force China to change.
Common people have nothing to do with this. They didn't do any decisions regarding China, so I don't see why they can not express their views, that China should be held accountable for what they did.

Blame elites and politicians and bureaucrats, they are the ones who caused this.

[Mayhem]

Also it's pointless wearing a mask if it's not used correctly. Because if you keep putting the mask on and off all the time it won't protect you from the virus.
Aside from the fact that most of the masks are far more about not giving it to other people rather than prevent you from getting it.

[Galactus]

Common people have nothing to do with this. They didn't do any decisions regarding China, so I don't see why they can not express their views, that China should be held accountable for what they did.

Blame elites and politicians and bureaucrats, they are the ones who caused this.

Honestly I'm hoping that in the wake of this a lot of peoples attitudes on a lot of issues change. One of them I hope is about turning a blind eye to human rights abuses on countries simply because we do business with them

The cynic in me says that not a lot (if anything) will change. All the political figures that are moaning about China right now will be A okay with China again when they no longer need a scapegoat to deflect from their own government failings. When the next crisis hits they'll simply use the same tactic again and regular people will fall for it.

So while I agree that pressure should be put on China to change it's ways in the wake of all this I deep down know it wont happen and frankly aren't gung ho about tag teaming with people who are cynically jumping on this to deflect from their own abyssmal handling of this crisis.

[Sumac]

Honestly I'm hoping that in the wake of this a lot of peoples attitudes on a lot of issues change. One of them I hope is about turning a blind eye to human rights abuses on countries simply because we do business with them

The cynic in me says that not a lot (if anything) will change. All the political figures that are moaning about China right now will be A okay with China again when they no longer need a scapegoat to deflect from their own government failings. When the next crisis hits they'll simply use the same tactic again and regular people will fall for it.

So while I agree that pressure should be put on China to change it's ways in the wake of all this I deep down know it wont happen and frankly aren't gung ho about tag teaming with people who are cynically jumping on this to deflect from their own abyssmal handling of this crisis.
Things will change, gradually though.

Also, I am not sure if they change for the better: this pandemic gave a good opportunity to implement some of the most authoritarian measures ever existed on the planet Earth. Like tracking people via their cellphones and giving them permissions to do specific actions in the outside world. And we can see that those measures are scarily effective.

Of course, I've no doubt that a lot of the Western countries will discard them as soon as this crisis will pass, however, all next governments will always keep in mind their effectiveness and who can say that there won't be a world leader who can try to simulate another pandemic just to implement this measures of the absolute control over population?

For example, in Russia all those measures were long time in development and this pandemic gave our government an opportunity to implement them. For a limited amount of people now, but without a doubt they will be used for everyone sooner or later.

China uses "social credit system" where not only they traffic your moves, but also everything you say and your interaction with others.

Thanks to the damage done by the corrupted politicians and left idiots who provoked current social division, I am afraid humanity keep going into very dark place. And, no, it has nothing to do with "Global Warming" or rise of "alt-right". Think of it as a new "middle ages", with a total digital control.

Since I am optimistic, even though I have no reasons to be, I believe that without a doubt humanity will find a way out of this conundrum sooner or later, we always do. And one day we find a right balance between technology and freedom, but there are a lot of hardships in front of us. :tcry:

[turtle1237]

Its not that this pandemic came from China, its more they lied and tried to cover it up until it was too late.

[IndigoErth]

And unfortunately, to the detriment of citizens everywhere, a lot of governments are like that in their own ways, be it for similar or different reasons. :ohwell: The people in power are all in large part the same underneath... China had no business trying to hide it to protect their image. Some other countries, the US and UK among them, had no business being so slow to respond to this thing they had time to see coming. Cripe, Trump is once again cycling back on his merry-go-'round of messaging, back to wanting to hurry up and open the country again. People need to get their/our priorities straight. Get rid of this thing first... then we can get the economy back...then we can yell at China...and inspect our own glass house for equivalent weak points.

[Galactus]

I can't speak for Russia but in the UK there really isn't anything close to a police state. Thousands are still flouting the lockdown rules and using the opportunity to act like they are on holiday and going out sunbathing, going for picnics and barbeques with no repercussions.

It's not like they even could have a police state here in the UK as the Conservative government has spent the last ten years underfunding the police force. They are in no shape to properly enforce the government rules.

The political right are just naturally more authoritarian by nature and a police state is the wet dream of many on the far right but to be honest while the right is on the ascendancy in most of the western world it's not something I'm worrying about. If neither the US or UK can enforce their own lockdown rules I don't see it as a problem. Plus this whole mess has exposed a contradiction in their ideology that no one has considered; that while they love to control people's lives measures like these put capital at risk and if there's one thing the right love is to protect is capital hence why they've been so slow to act on this.

[Sumac]

I can't speak for Russia but in the UK there really isn't anything close to a police state. Thousands are still flouting the lockdown rules and using the opportunity to act like they are on holiday and going out sunbathing, going for picnics and barbeques with no repercussions.

It's not like they even could have a police state here in the UK as the Conservative government has spent the last ten years underfunding the police force. They are in no shape to properly enforce the government rules.

The political right are just naturally more authoritarian by nature and a police state is the wet dream of many on the far right but to be honest while the right is on the ascendancy in most of the western world it's not something I'm worrying about. If neither the US or UK can enforce their own lockdown rules I don't see it as a problem. Plus this whole mess has exposed a contradiction in their ideology that no one has considered; that while they love to control people's lives measures like these put capital at risk and if there's one thing the right love is to protect is capital hence why they've been so slow to act on this.
Same in Russia: because pretty much everyone are corrupted, a lot of people can just give a small "payment" to police officers and bureaucrats and they can get away free with anything.

However, I do not like idea of being monitored, even if I am know I can buy my way our of trouble.

Also, it's not like elites who support left are less interested in their money and gonna sacrifice them for the sake of their ideology.

This whole social division is just a tug match between elites who have power and elites who just want to have more power, spouting left and right rhetoric and using people as a resource to push themselves higher on a totem pole.

Aside from some crazies, they are no true right or left politicians. Everyone are fighting for themselves first and foremost. Ideology, like religion, is just a tool.

[Stephen]

Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52177125

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital for tests, 10 days after testing positive for coronavirus, Downing Street has said.

He "continues to have persistent symptoms of coronavirus", a spokeswoman said - including a high temperature.

It was described as a "precautionary step" taken on the advice of his doctor.

The prime minister remains in charge of the government and urged people to follow its social distancing advice.

"On the advice of his doctor, the prime minister has tonight been admitted to hospital for tests," the spokeswoman said.

"This is a precautionary step, as the prime minister continues to have persistent symptoms of coronavirus ten days after testing positive for the virus."

She added: "The prime minister thanks NHS staff for all of their incredible hard work and urges the public to continue to follow the government's advice to stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives."

[IndigoErth]

:ohwell: Well that's a shame.

And watch our leader here not take it to heart at all.





Random question:
With it starting to be recommended that people wear some kind of face covering in public, even if just a bandana, etc... Does anyone own a Foot Soldier mask and will you wear it out at least once? :tlol:

[oldmanwinters]

Random question:
With it starting to be recommended that people wear some kind of face covering in public, even if just a bandana, etc... Does anyone own a Foot Soldier mask and will you wear it out at least once? :tlol:

I wear a Hulk mask with glowing eyes.

[IndigoErth]

LOL Nice.



Btw, a tiger at the Bronx zoo tested positive for the virus. :ohwell:

If it hopped from other animals to us, I can't say I'm surprised that we could then turn around and give it to other species, but then what does that say for how susceptible our pets might actually be?

[MikeandRaph87]

LOL Nice.



Btw, a tiger at the Bronx zoo tested positive for the virus. :ohwell:

If it hopped from other animals to us, I can't say I'm surprised that we could then turn around and give it to other species, but then what does that say for how susceptible our pets might actually be?

A cat in Belgium tested positive last week so fine species appear to have some level of susceptibility.

How many of us are NOT working from home at this point?

To lighten the mood this is how Palpatine is coping.
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[turtle1237]

This girl gets it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY5h6FI_arI&t=44s

The mask we use are not going to protect ourselves, to much of the face is expose. we NEED Plague Doctor mask and outfits if we want as much protection as we can.

[Redeemer]

Does anyone own a Foot Soldier mask and will you wear it out at least once? :tlol:

If you buy me one I will. :lol:

[Klunk1234]

+793 dead in the last 24 hours here in Italy.

It’s horrible what is happening in Italy. Take care.

[Andrew NDB]

How many of us are NOT working from home at this point?

For a vast number of fields... there is no work to be done from home. There is just home.

[Klunk1234]

LOL Nice.



Btw, a tiger at the Bronx zoo tested positive for the virus. :ohwell:

If it hopped from other animals to us, I can't say I'm surprised that we could then turn around and give it to other species, but then what does that say for how susceptible our pets might actually be?

They can get it, too. Dogs with mild symptoms. But cats develop severe symptoms. So the infected owners should stayed isolated not only for their families, for their pets, too.

LOL? Because a tiger is affected? Covid-19 is not laughing matter. Tigers are facing extinction. I hope he/she recovers..

[Klunk1234]

Here, where I live, people are in semi-quarantine, meaning that I can get out to walk by keeping my distancing from other people. My work is on stand by. I don’t know when I will return.

However, Donnie’s computer84 is working at his home, so he is fine.

[IndigoErth]

Ran to the store early and glad to say prob 90% in there were wearing some kind of mask or bandana. Though oddly the people working there were not...

Fortunately, I held onto the old N95 I had from my old job, from back after it closed and we were dismantling the place almost two years ago. See, sometimes keeping stuff pays off. Even a dingy old mask.


LOL? Because a tiger is affected? Covid-19 is not laughing matter. Tigers are facing extinction. I hope he/she recovers..
No, the "LOL Nice" was in response to oldmanwinters. Note the space gap and the "btw" suggests a separation of topics.

And on the topic of the tiger, it sounds like the others and a few lions have it too. Shame. I hope they can keep it limited to that and hasn't gotten spread around between staff and other animals, esp any more endangered ones.

[Storm Eagle]

Btw, a tiger at the Bronx zoo tested positive for the virus. :ohwell:

If it hopped from other animals to us, I can't say I'm surprised that we could then turn around and give it to other species, but then what does that say for how susceptible our pets might actually be?

Finding out about that pissed me off. This virus just continues to show just how bad it is.

I'm still working, and it was made so that I could do work from home. The only thing is that I only get paid for when I actually do any work, and I don't always get enough work to keep me going for a whole day like I would if I were actually working at my facility. So with so many people losing their jobs recently, I had to contact my supervisor and ask her what the probabilities are of me getting the ax. She told me that there hasn't been any talk about laying people off. I replied and told her that I hope it stays that way. Then she tells me that she doesn't want me to worry since she'll always advocate for me and let the higher-ups know how valuable I've been to her. I figured she would, but the powers that be have a knack for just doing whatever the hell they want. I don't mean at my job in particular, but people in very high positions anywhere can be that way.

[Redeemer]

They can get it, too. Dogs with mild symptoms. But cats develop severe symptoms. So the infected owners should stayed isolated not only for their families, for their pets, too.


The article said this is the first known exposure to cause the animal to actually become sick and show symptoms in the world. So don't assume all cats are affected by the virus. Hopefully it only affects big cats in this way. Also the symptoms were not severe, but classified as "mild"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52177586

[IndigoErth]

That would be too sad if family pets end up sick after their humans do. :tsad:




This timely '87 Donnie animation cell (eBay). (https://www.ebay.com/itm/TMNT-Ninja-Turtles-Cel-Art-Animation-Cell-Don-Face-Mask/124133922887?hash=item1ce6f55847:g:hjEAAOSwkTVegFq T) Do your part in helping to slow down the spread of the virus, kids.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/hjEAAOSwkTVegFqT/s-l1600.jpg

[Vicky82]

Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care after Corona Virus symptoms worsened.:(

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1247241836378423303?s=20

I don't like him but I hope he recovers, I wouldn't wish this nasty virus on anyone I don't like.

[Galactus]

Yes as much as I detest Boris I wouldn't wish him to suffer in this way. Despite what the Government and the British press is saying if he's been moved to ICU then his condition must be serious.

Hopefully now people will start taking this seriously. Boris has such a cult of personality around him that his own carefree attitude towards this crisis made people follow suit. I mean he was openly bragging about still shaking hands with people including hospital patients diagnosed with Covid-19. Then the stupid herd immunity plan and even when he started lock down measures he gave he impression "try and stay indoors and wash your hands more but if you can't it's no biggie". Is it really any surprise many Brits are not co operating with the lockdown rules.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

And those conditions have been created by the government, which could have easily changed them.
But, yeah, "it could had happened" anywhere. :lol:

Why are you so adamant on shifting blame from Chinese government, especially, when your own life is at risk, because, of their negligence?
Is it another case of "my ideology is more important to me than reality and logic (as well as my own life and life of my loved ones)"? It is not different at this point than religious zealotry and proclaiming that Earth is flat.

Once again, no-one advocates for beating up Asian people. However, negligence of the Chinese government should not be forgotten in order to not to repeat the same mistake.

And it is not a racism, unless you think that creating conditions for epidemic of dangerous viruses is part of their culture, intrinsically tied to their race.

Also, you can't be racist against culture or religion or ideology, just a reminder. Not that some people can tell a difference, since it is inconvenient to them that someone else other than "evil white people" can be stupid or do something bad. Some people in the West seemingly just get off of the self-flagellation and self-hate.


Yeah, it is my fault as well as those thousands of dead people throughout the world that Chinese government, with its absolute power, can't feed their own people and those people prefer to eat dangerous infected ****, which can potentially bring about death of thousands, as it did.

The fact that both people eating dangerous **** and their government KNEW about it, just makes this situation even more ridiculous.

Nothing of what I said needed to be said, but some people still struggle with simple concepts.


And yet, you continue to miss the point. Yes, their government COULD have "stepped in", assuming they even KNEW about said market, since MOST of them are essentially either black markets or simply shove "exotic" animals into the very same food markets as the more normal foods. And therein lies the problem- they virtually IMPOSSIBLE to monitor or police! So, yes, China's government was guilty- of not being able to enforce any kind of meaningful food regulations in a country that is largely rural and also overpopulated, mostly by very poor people who are willing to risk unknown diseases in order to feed their families. Stop treating it as if this was something they could have even REMOTELY predicted or prevented, because it's NOT. Such markets are by their very nature difficult if not impossible to regulate or police. And there are similar ones ALL OVER THE WORLD. I said it again, just to hammer it home, it happens EVERYWHERE, whether in China, Argentina, Turkey, or even in Europe or the US. But sure, China is totally culpable of not being able to wipe out a food source that is not only incredibly difficult to police, but in many cases is not even sold openly, so is often difficult to even FIND. But let's just keep up the blame game where the source is concerned.

If they were guilty of anything, it was not treating it as a bigger threat from the beginning, and not informing the world while it was still possible to contain it. Inn that respect, yes, they are to blame without doubt, but you keep conflating the two issues as inseparable and wholly indistinguishable. They're not. One is a seriously misguided attempt to assume that people trying to survive are inherently bad for using wild animals for food sources, while the other issue is a legitimate concern. But don't equate the two, it's simply not a valid argument.

It's not a matter of ideology, either. I simply despise the kind of ignorance about how rural markets are run, as well as how poaching and wildlife selling works, that has led to the wholesale finger-pointing that so rampant over this virus, which again, literally COULD have come from anywhere such markets exist. And since they ARE so hard to control, the fact that they still exist at all, IN SPITE of the best efforts of activists and authorities everywhere, should tell you something- there was literally NO WAY they could have predicted or prevented it from jumping to humans. The virus does not care what it infects, be it human or animal. Nor does it respect boundaries or borders of any kind. Or governments, authorities, or anything else. It simply IS.

Thing is similar pandemics have originated in other countries including the United States.A fair criticism is pointing out why it seems to happen in China more but to pretend there's something wholly unique to the China is a little silly.

I'd have more sympathy for the drive to call out China on this issue if it wasn't for the fact that the political figures doing this are ones that have been okay China's rise as a economic force to the point that most of the Western world so dependent on products from there.

Even the 'regular' people that are furiously tweeting about all this are unironically doing so in their iPhones. It all comes off as less of an attempt to hold China to account for legitimate problems with their wet markets and suppressing information on Covid-19 for months and more to deflect from their own governments failings in getting to grips with the spread of it in their own countries. I have zero faith that when all this is over and a scapegoat is no longer needed that these kinds of people will do anything to force China to change.


Exactly this. The US and other governments are just as guilty of not taking it seriously and not doing more to contain it early on as they were to not be more honest and open about the seriousness of the threat. Plenty of blame to go around, and it's not all on China, much as some like to claim it is.

[Andrew NDB]

Sadly and unfortunately, the medical practice my wife works at kind of confirms sort of what TommyT was talking about at the start. He was right. At least from a healthcare perspective/directive coming down from the top... the general expectation is basically that everyone is going to get it sooner or later. They just are, with exception. The idea now is, yeah, at least with the "6 feet apart" and "stay inside!" and "shut it all down... for now!", etc. business, the influx of people going into the hospitals will be mitigated so that it's not one big barrage all at once that will make things untenable, not a "we can stop the spread dead in its tracks" sort of thing, which was the obvious hope.

[joe-eyeball]

Sadly and unfortunately, the medical practice my wife works at kind of confirms sort of what TommyT was talking about at the start. He was right. At least from a healthcare perspective/directive coming down from the top... the general expectation is basically that everyone is going to get it sooner or later. They just are, with exception. The idea now is, yeah, at least with the "6 feet apart" and "stay inside!" and "shut it all down... for now!", etc. business, the influx of people going into the hospitals will be mitigated so that it's not one big barrage all at once that will make things untenable, not a "we can stop the spread dead in its tracks" sort of thing, which was the obvious hope.

Wasn’t this obvious from the beginning? You have a virus where nobody has immunity so the idea is slow the spread to a crawl so hospitals can try to keep up. I mean they won’t allow large gatherings of people until a vaccine is available and widely distributed. How long before that is a reality? Probably about a year and a half from now! Who’s to say a viable vaccine will ever become available? They claim it will be but who knows? So the plan is and has been to allow people to slowly over time gain immunity through infection. Many people may have a problem with this approach but guess what? That’s all our government or really any other can effectively do at this point.

[Galactus]

The fact that none of the other types of Coronavirus have vaccines makes me sceptical we'll have one for Covid-19 in the forseeable future. Still I don't think the medical community has ever been as focused on finding one for things like SARS and MERS as they have been for this one.

The building of emergency hospitals in record time, huge amounts of investments to compensate workplaces that have had to close, talk of universal bad if income. This has shown that when governments want to they can find the money and resources for near enough anything. I hope people keep that in mind when next a politician makes an excuse "well I'd love X but who is going to pay for it?".

[TommyT]

Sadly and unfortunately, the medical practice my wife works at kind of confirms sort of what TommyT was talking about at the start. He was right. At least from a healthcare perspective/directive coming down from the top... the general expectation is basically that everyone is going to get it sooner or later. They just are, with exception. The idea now is, yeah, at least with the "6 feet apart" and "stay inside!" and "shut it all down... for now!", etc. business, the influx of people going into the hospitals will be mitigated so that it's not one big barrage all at once that will make things untenable, not a "we can stop the spread dead in its tracks" sort of thing, which was the obvious hope.

I tried to warn everyone. Apologies for being over the top, but, man, how many times does a guy have to be right for folks to heed the warnings.

Can you see why I was so tough now Andrew? I just wanted to get the point across, so folks would take action.

[TommyT]

The fact that none of the other types of Coronavirus have vaccines makes me sceptical we'll have one for Covid-19 in the forseeable future. Still I don't think the medical community has ever been as focused on finding one for things like SARS and MERS as they have been for this one.

The building of emergency hospitals in record time, huge amounts of investments to compensate workplaces that have had to close, talk of universal bad if income. This has shown that when governments want to they can find the money and resources for near enough anything. I hope people keep that in mind when next a politician makes an excuse "well I'd love X but who is going to pay for it?".

healthcare is a right, not a privilege.

[IndigoErth]

Anyone wanting mask material and considering those "blue shop towels," check Pep Boys ASAP. Hit mine today and still had some rolls in the store (Tool Box brand).

Guy said he'd heard people were starting to grab them and were already limiting it to 2 per person. Indeed, after my Pep Boys eBay order was canceled last night, all the other listings I looked at have absurd prices so people are already starting to price gouge them. (But luckily I got them 2 for $5, cheaper than my canceled order.)

Even if someone is using homemade cotton ones or bandanas, it could be wise to use these shop towels to add a lining to them as an extra barrier since they sound promising to filter better.

So just a heads up to anyone considering it. They're cheap in the store so it's not worth waiting on it. :tthumbsu:


the influx of people going into the hospitals will be mitigated so that it's not one big barrage all at once that will make things untenable, not a "we can stop the spread dead in its tracks" sort of thing, which was the obvious hope.
I guess different parts of the country have had a different message. Yes, there has been hope that actions to slow it down can help stop the spread of it -- which probably could help that if people would play along -- but in my general region spanning between NYC and DC that's already been part of the theme, that it is also in large part to help slow it down so hospitals wouldn't be so overwhelmed. And probably the biggest reason why my state shut down right alongside our neighbors though not reporting nearly as many cases...but that "early" shut down has probably helped to an extent. (Still increasing, but we're only at a fraction of the cases that the surrounding states have, and have not heard about our own hospital being overwhelmed.)

It just makes logical sense that if too many people get it all at once then the hospitals' finite amount of resources will not be enough. People our age are not immune and plenty do end up in the hospital, and if they do that means they probably need a ventilator... but if there are none to be had when they need it, well... obviously that is a problem and good luck trying to survive. :( If we slow it down and flatten the curve enough that the rate of cases slow down then the hospitals can try to help all of the cases that come in rather than being unable to help people and have no choice but to leave them to suffocate.

[Galactus]

healthcare is a right, not a privilege.

Indeed

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[Sumac]

And yet, you continue to miss the point. Yes, their government COULD have "stepped in", assuming they even KNEW about said market, since MOST of them are essentially either black markets or simply shove "exotic" animals into the very same food markets as the more normal foods. And therein lies the problem- they virtually IMPOSSIBLE to monitor or police!
If something is un-monitored in a totalitarian state, especially in Chinese totalitarian state, it is most likely people who should take care of the issue have a cut from those markets. That's how it works.

The idea that China, with its military and resources can't take control over some markets, especially one which was located near military facility is laughable. You are trying to defend China for some reason, maybe you have Chinese relatives, I don't know, but your defense is utterly ineffective.

So, yes, China's government was guilty- of not being able to enforce any kind of meaningful food regulations in a country that is largely rural and also overpopulated, mostly by very poor people who are willing to risk unknown diseases in order to feed their families. Stop treating it as if this was something they could have even REMOTELY predicted or prevented, because it's NOT.
Sorry to burst your righteous bubble, comrade, but:
This study predicted a coronavirus outbreak one year ago (https://www.zmescience.com/medicine/diseases-medicine/this-study-predicted-a-coronavirus-outbreak-one-year-ago/).

Chosen quotes:
“It is highly likely that future SARS or MERS-like coronavirus
outbreaks will originate from bats, and there is an increased probability that this will occur in China”

“Fifteen years after the first highly pathogenic human coronavirus caused the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) outbreak, another severe acute diarrhea syndrome coronavirus (SADS-CoV) devastated livestock production by causing fatal diseases in pigs...Both outbreaks began in China and were caused by coronaviruses of bat origin. This increased the urgency to study bat coronaviruses in China to understand their potential of causing another virus outbreak.”

“Two bat origin CoVs caused large-scale epidemics in China over fourteen years, highlighting the risk of a future bat CoV outbreak in this nation,”

“Chinese food culture maintains that live slaughtered animals are more nutritious, and this belief may enhance viral transmission. [..] In this regard, China is a likely hotspot. The challenge is to predict when and where, so that we can try our best to prevent such outbreaks,”

“Therefore, the investigation of bat coronaviruses becomes an urgent issue for the detection of early warning signs, which in turn minimizes the impact of such future outbreaks in China.”
Educate yourself, comrade! Ni Hao Mao! (https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/11/3/210?fbclid=IwAR1in9B-qMWRMfHNvFoD5dheRQaXmWtFZ41UDnXfcB0GyfKc999NlhlhW3 U)

Not only they KNOW what will happen, they have identified the SOURCE of it. Did anyone gave a ****? Well, certainly not a glorious state of China.

Such markets are by their very nature difficult if not impossible to regulate or police. And there are similar ones ALL OVER THE WORLD. I said it again, just to hammer it home, it happens EVERYWHERE, whether in China, Argentina, Turkey, or even in Europe or the US. But sure, China is totally culpable of not being able to wipe out a food source that is not only incredibly difficult to police, but in many cases is not even sold openly, so is often difficult to even FIND. But let's just keep up the blame game where the source is concerned.
Your argument would had hold any ground if it never had happened before in China.

Except it did. TWICE. Somehow it didn't had happened in recent in history in Argentina, Turkey, Europe or US. But it did happened in China, three times as of now.

Call me naive, but I see a pattern here. A pattern, which you, in all your liberal wisdom do not want or can not see.

So, if we have established a pattern that viruses regularly come from the same source again and again, does it mean that we CAN blame China for the negligence and stop this infantile rhetoric, about it "coming from anywhere"? I think yes.

If they were guilty of anything, it was not treating it as a bigger threat from the beginning, and not informing the world while it was still possible to contain it. Inn that respect, yes, they are to blame without doubt, but you keep conflating the two issues as inseparable and wholly indistinguishable. They're not. One is a seriously misguided attempt to assume that people trying to survive are inherently bad for using wild animals for food sources, while the other issue is a legitimate concern. But don't equate the two, it's simply not a valid argument.
Let me give a quote:
“Chinese food culture maintains that live slaughtered animals are more nutritious"
Yeah, those poor people who just want to eat...are in reality uneducated idiots, who do what they do not just because they are hungry, but because this is their tradition. Like using bones from various animals to cure sicknesses. But, I guess, we must give them pass, since it is their precious culture! Which costed lives of thousands people around the world.

But its fine, I guess. You know, because, it can from anywhere and those people are just hungry. Until the next outbreak then, I guess?

It's not a matter of ideology, either. I simply despise the kind of ignorance about how rural markets are run, as well as how poaching and wildlife selling works, that has led to the wholesale finger-pointing that so rampant over this virus, which again, literally COULD have come from anywhere such markets exist. And since they ARE so hard to control, the fact that they still exist at all, IN SPITE of the best efforts of activists and authorities everywhere, should tell you something- there was literally NO WAY they could have predicted or prevented it from jumping to humans. The virus does not care what it infects, be it human or animal. Nor does it respect boundaries or borders of any kind. Or governments, authorities, or anything else. It simply IS.
If you hate ignorance, you should feel pretty bad about yourself now.

The fact that none of the other types of Coronavirus have vaccines makes me sceptical we'll have one for Covid-19 in the forseeable future. Still I don't think the medical community has ever been as focused on finding one for things like SARS and MERS as they have been for this one.
This type of virus mutates so fast, that by the time you create a vaccine against it, it will be utterly useless, since virus had already mutated out of that form and most humans already have an immunity.

The same thing here: by the time we have a vaccine against COVID 19, most people will be either dead or immune and virus will have a different form, against which COVID 19 vaccine will be ineffective.

[Storm Eagle]

I'm working from home, and about a couple of hours ago, I received word through my work e-mail that someone from my job passed away from the damn COVID-19 virus. He and I never really talked, but he is someone who I know, and it'll be strange not seeing him at work anymore once things to get back to normal (whenever the f*cking damn hell that will be), and knowing the reason for it just bites. He was 35, and leaves behind a wife who he married about a couple of yeas ago.

I've had more than enough of this bullsh*t, and I just seriously can't wait for it to end.

Just...all of you continue to say safe. Seriously.

[Andrew NDB]

I hear about experimental vaccine trials here in Seattle all the time. Like weekly. I never hear if anything comes of them, though.

[MikeandRaph87]

My next door neighbor became the first case in my area. He got it from his step son who works at the D.C. airport. Lost 30 pounds and really pale, fatigued. His mother got it next. He had it worse than her and is one of only two of the dozen so far confirmed cases to be hospitalized. Good news though, he is back at work and cleared of any COVID-19 side effects.However, while he and his mother have recovered next door they are not checked off statistically as recovered. That part of the statistics is never updated.

[IndigoErth]

I'm working from home, and about a couple of hours ago, I received word through my work e-mail that someone from my job passed away from the damn COVID-19 virus. He and I never really talked, but he is someone who I know, and it'll be strange not seeing him at work anymore once things to get back to normal (whenever the f*cking damn hell that will be), and knowing the reason for it just bites. He was 35, and leaves behind a wife who he married about a couple of yeas ago.

I've had more than enough of this bullsh*t, and I just seriously can't wait for it to end.

Just...all of you continue to say safe. Seriously.
Very sorry to hear that. I hope no one else from there tests positive for it. :tsad:


That part of the statistics is never updated.
Check the worldometers.info (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries) site for that, it does seem to list recovered cases for each country, and active/closed cases on the page for each one.

Glad to hear they're already on the recovered side though and hopefully no longer a risk to others.

[MikeandRaph87]

Very sorry to hear that. I hope no one else from there tests positive for it. :tsad:



Check the worldometers.info (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries) site for that, it does seem to list recovered cases for each country, and active/closed cases on the page for each one.

Glad to hear they're already on the recovered side though and hopefully no longer a risk to others.

The reporting really lagged. He was taken to the hospital and diagnosed on March 20th and celared to go to work on April 5th. The statistic for him has changed. His mother was diagnosed on March 23rd. I suppose its like the people who are out there positive and we don't know it. While it takes a period before being diagnosed it takes a period of time before the state tallies you as recovered.

[Storm Eagle]

Very sorry to hear that. I hope no one else from there tests positive for it. :tsad:



The person who reported the news is my supervisor's superior. I contacted him to ask what it means for the rest of us who work at the facility. Seeing your reply made me wonder if it's possible that he contracted the virus at the job.

[Papenbrook]

I'm sorry for the loss of your co-worker, Storm Eagle.

I do hope that this virus pandemic will end.

[IMJ]

Like I said posts ago, we should be financially backing testing of broad spectrum viral cures rather than pushing for vaccines. The whole system is in the wrong gear to begin with.

[joe-eyeball]

Like I said posts ago, we should be financially backing testing of broad spectrum viral cures rather than pushing for vaccines. The whole system is in the wrong gear to begin with.

Agreed. Plus an antibody test so when it can be determined if someone has had it and is good to go they can get back into the workforce. A vaccine will be great 18-24 months from now when it’s just getting to be widely distributed and that’s if they can produce a viable vaccine?

[TommyT]

Like I said posts ago, we should be financially backing testing of broad spectrum viral cures rather than pushing for vaccines. The whole system is in the wrong gear to begin with.

People understand the word Vaccine, they don't necessarily understand broad spectrum, nor can they understand the difference between research into corona viruses as a family, vs intentionally creating a bioweapon.

I still think it is highly suspect that Trump has not fallen ill, nor Trudeau, despite being exposed multiple times. Very suspicious, but no evidence of the how or why they evaded infection.

[Storm Eagle]

I'm sorry for the loss of your co-worker, Storm Eagle.

I do hope that this virus pandemic will end.

Thanks man.

My supervisor's superior got back to me and said that things should be all right at the job, since it was sanitized shortly before they had people stay at home. I'm still working at home for the most part, but there were a couple of times where I actually went to the office. I can't remember if I ever saw the guy during any of those times though.

[Sumac]

People understand the word Vaccine, they don't necessarily understand broad spectrum, nor can they understand the difference between research into corona viruses as a family, vs intentionally creating a bioweapon.

I still think it is highly suspect that Trump has not fallen ill, nor Trudeau, despite being exposed multiple times. Very suspicious, but no evidence of the how or why they evaded infection.
Yeah, let's push for CoNsPirACy narrative...:roll:

[Utrommaniac]

I haven't been around too much lately, but I've been poking in.


My life hasn't been affected too much, though I technically do have a new job, I won't be getting paid for some of my work since the investors for the company have been shut down too. My boss is able to pay for things around the job (computer upkeep, gas for that), but I personally am not getting paid.


Otherwise, I'm as accidentally reclusive as ever. One of my old housemates had to move back in with us, as he had been planning a shorter stay, but then had to stay longer for obvious reasons. Another of those reasons is that Houston is...not doing a great job.


Also, because he's here and loves to cook our fridge is more packed than it's been in a very long time.

[TommyT]

Yeah, let's push for CoNsPirACy narrative...:roll:

As if conspiracy narratives haven't been thrown about in this thread already. Trump and Trudeau should have become Ill. How is it Trudeaus wife is home with him, in the same house, and he's not sick? How is it 22 people on the same plane as Trump tested positive, while he is supposedly negative.

Clearly, it's a miracle, right?

[Krutch]

https://i.postimg.cc/Qxnfswgz/we-mustn-t-dwell-no-not-today-it-s-rex-manning-day.png

[Galactus]

I have to say that the UK's current attitude towards Boris Johnson and the handling of this crisis leaves me somewhat in dismay. He does have this huge cult of personality behind him but while we can feel sorry for his current health issues and hope he recovers we should also be able to point out that his own wreckless attitude towards maintaining his own health and deliberately avoiding doing anything to protect the country has put his own life and the lives of everyone in such unnecessary risk.

If the Internet and TV News vox pops are to believed then most of the country feels that he is doing the best job he can and that no one could have seen this coming and that criticising him at this time makes you a bad person playing politics. The problem is that people did see it coming. Under Theresa May the UK government was warned the next global pandemic would be exactly like this and they should take precautions - her and her cabinet which included Boris decided to ignore it. Even with China's attempts to suppress information we still had ample time to see what was happening and act as best we could but
Boris shrugged his shoulders and said just wash your hands more and stay away from large groups but if you can't then no biggie. Many countries have been slow to do the right thing I don't we're even doing the 'right' thing yet.

To put it into perspective here's some countries that have handled this much better.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/02/countries-succeeding-flattening-curve-coronavirus-testing-quarantine/

From the article:

Taiwan recorded its first case of the coronavirus on Jan. 21, but it has managed to keep its number of confirmed cases to just 329 with five deaths as of April 1.
The government sprang into action as soon as news broke about a mysterious illness in Wuhan. Taiwan, which sits just 100 miles from mainland China, began inspecting travelers coming from the city on Dec. 31, set up a system to track those in self-quarantine, and ramped up production of medical equipment in January.

South Korea, which has a population of 51 million, tests more than 20,000 people daily at designated testing sites and uses isolation and widespread contact tracing to break chains of transmission—as recommended by WHO. “South Korea is showing how this model ultimately pays off in reducing spread, taking pressure off health services, and keeping its death rate one of the lowest in the world,” Sridhar wrote.

Canada managed to roll out more expansive testing than the neighboring United States, as Justin Ling wrote on March 13. In January and February, Canada began setting up the infrastructure to conduct tests and contact tracing. The early response in part came from the country’s experience during the SARS outbreak in 2003.
Canada has a well-funded public health care system, and its criteria for who can be tested for COVID-19 is not as limited as in the United States. “Canada has spent the past two decades preparing for this moment,”

Despite its small size and struggling economy, the country [ Georgia ] began taking serious measures at the end of February, including closing schools and conducting widespread diagnostic tests. Georgia has so far confirmed 117 cases and no deaths from COVID-19. “I think the fact that the government took it seriously from the very start has helped.”

In Iceland, which has one of the highest per capita rates of confirmed coronavirus cases. That’s because it has also tested more people per capita than anywhere else in the world—an effort led by a private medical research company based in Reykjavik. The research will be used to inform the global response to the pandemic. “What that gives us in Iceland is somewhat of a clearer picture of how the virus is spreading through the general population,” Ciric said. “Our growth has not actually become exponential due to these early measures of quarantining people who have likely been exposed to the virus.”

We can empathise with our leaders that have been put in very difficult positions, we can sympathise with Boris' having the virus himself but we shouldn't let them off the hook in their shoddy handling of this. Also call me cynical but I can't help but think that long term this will be a huge gift for the British Conservative government. When all this is over and questions about funding the NHS and building new schools and hospitals arise the excuse will be that they'd love to but don't have the money due to having to handle Coronavirus. This will definitely be dined out on for a long time much in the same way the '08 financial crash was and still is.

[Sumac]

As if conspiracy narratives haven't been thrown about in this thread already. Trump and Trudeau should have become Ill. How is it Trudeaus wife is home with him, in the same house, and he's not sick? How is it 22 people on the same plane as Trump tested positive, while he is supposedly negative.

Clearly, it's a miracle, right?
We have enough **** to deal with, much less we need some idiotic theories.

[Redeemer]

healthcare is a right, not a privilege.

Thank you! Now tell that to U.S. politicians.......

Like I said posts ago, we should be financially backing testing of broad spectrum viral cures rather than pushing for vaccines. The whole system is in the wrong gear to begin with.

unfortunately that is easier said than done. The cure for bacterial infections was found out by accident and bacteria is far more complex and all of a cell wall which is the key. Penicillin causes the cell wall in bacteria to collapse by not letting it divide, when the bacteria grows it collapses on itself.

Viruses are so much simpler meaning they have less weaknesses. Also Viruses are far smaller. Vaccines are far easier to produce bc essentially we are using our own B and T cells to be expose to the virus so they build up a memory of the virus.

I completely agree it just far easier said than done.

[Andrew NDB]

Should we talk about the 5G theories? Yeesh.

[Voltron]

Coronavirus can't melt cell walls.

[Mayhem]

Should we talk about the 5G theories? Yeesh.
Yes, some folks who believe it have already taken to destroying a few 5G masts here.

[Rooish]

As if conspiracy narratives haven't been thrown about in this thread already. Trump and Trudeau should have become Ill. How is it Trudeaus wife is home with him, in the same house, and he's not sick? How is it 22 people on the same plane as Trump tested positive, while he is supposedly negative.

Clearly, it's a miracle, right?

Not sure about Trump, but I imagine Trudeau's house is massive. He is a rich guy and Prime Minister. He probably went no where near his wife.

[TommyT]

Not sure about Trump, but I imagine Trudeau's house is massive. He is a rich guy and Prime Minister. He probably went no where near his wife.

It's not. It's a joke. They were together when she contracted it, she's the one who gave it to Idris Elba at a conference. It's a physical impossibility he didn't catch it.

5g? Lol, no, I'm not a tinfoil crazy. 5G has nothing to do with it, but i love how the room went from its just a flu, to "this is very serious".

We should be asking ourselves why some top people are just fine. Something fishy going on.

[Candy Kappa]

Just remember. When making your tin foil hat, you gotta use the real old tin foil and not the modern aluminum foil, that stuff amplifies the signals.

[teemu]

As if conspiracy narratives haven't been thrown about in this thread already. Trump and Trudeau should have become Ill. How is it Trudeaus wife is home with him, in the same house, and he's not sick? How is it 22 people on the same plane as Trump tested positive, while he is supposedly negative.

Clearly, it's a miracle, right?

Or how about when Trump holds his press conferences and nobody is wearing masks or practicing social distancing :lol:

[lonewarrior20]

Or how about when Trump holds his press conferences and nobody is wearing masks or practicing social distancing :lol:

If he does get it let's see him take the melaria drug he keeps tellin everyone to take.

[ChosenOne]

PSA: Fish tank cleaners aren't medication, no matter how many of the same substances they contain.

If chloroquine by itself is so lethal, how come it helps prevent/heal malaria instead of killing people with malaria too? Oops...

[Candy Kappa]

There's are people that already need chloroquine, and idiots gobbling it up creates shortage, and with no strong evidence it works against Covid-19, the side effects it can cause can be even more severe while sick.

And we already know the true cure is stockpiling TP

[ChosenOne]

There's are people that already need chloroquine, and idiots gobbling it up creates shortage, and with no strong evidence it works against Covid-19, the side effects it can cause can be even more severe while sick.

And we already know the true cure is stockpiling TP

Ah, chloroquine, the TP of drugs... (Wait, is it safe to wipe with?)

You have a point there. Apparently no one is even sure if it works against the virus or not. My own country's health authorities are convinced it does and have ordered a bunch of it, which could prove fatal to a number of others who do need it and those whose bodies can't handle it right now. It's a mess through and through. More and more, I get the idea every single world leader is just Jack Sparrow-ing their way through this crisis and in truth none of them know what's going on or how to handle it. Personally, I don't put much stock in any miracle cures. That's the sort of thinking (ie, traditional Chinese medicine) that led us to this whole debacle in the first place.

[Candy Kappa]

If it safe to wipe with, might have to stockpile chloroquine incase of TP shortage :lol:

Apparently some Swedish hospitals have stopped using chloroquine due to cramps, loss of sight and headaches.

[ChosenOne]

If it safe to wipe with, might have to stockpile chloroquine incase of TP shortage :lol:

Apparently some Swedish hospitals have stopped using chloroquine due to cramps, loss of sight and headaches.

Well, at least we know no one will be dumb enough to flip the tables and mainline TP to try to cure the virus, right? (Do we, though? Do we really? These are humans we're talking about...)

It may have been a rash and unfortunate decision by some individuals to pronounce chloroquine as a miracle drug, but I'm convinced it only happened because their health advisors did some pushing of their own behind the scene. And that the exact same thing is happening in various other countries the world over but doesn't make for such engrossing headlines when it happens over there. Humans are prone to sudden bouts of dumbness in times of desperation. Any promise chloroquine might or might not show in treating this condition is severely undermined by the urgency of solving the crisis we're all facing and thus not taking the time to study everything properly. Some of the countries working on a vaccine, for instance, even skipped several of the usual test phases to go straight to human trials and save as much time (and lives, in theory) as possible. A risky endeavor, to say the least. I'm not sure it's worth the several cans of worms it could open, but we'll see in the coming months.

[IndigoErth]

Just saw one of those drive-by birthdays in person for a neighbor. :D

Though I guess the few people parking and getting out of their cars are lucky the cop who lead the group had already left...

[ChosenOne]

Just saw one of those drive-by birthdays in person for a neighbor. :D

Funny how terrifying this would've sounded just a few months ago.

[IndigoErth]

Right? lol

Though it sorta was confusing at first, because I heard a police car and something (not sure what) said over its loud speaker and then various cars honking their horns.... wasn't sure what the heck was happening at first.

[ZariusTwo]

Boris Johnson out of intensive care

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52238276

[CyberCubed]

799 people died in New York yesterday. All in one day, and that's just NY and not the rest of the U.S. Crazy.

[newfan]

799 people died in New York yesterday. All in one day, and that's just NY and not the rest of the U.S. Crazy.

Damn, try to stay safe :(

I think my country saw 880 deaths in the last 24 hours.

[IndigoErth]

:( That's like what Italy has dealt with, with many hundreds dropping every day. It's hard to wrap the mind around that.




My state crossed the 1000 cases mark yesterday. Am hopeful we'll continue to stay lower, though on the other hand we're just a tiny little state and a lot smaller than those with a similar number of cases at present, and the majority of it in my county. :ohwell:

edit: Had low 700s the day before, so it was a jump of almost a few hundred, though they think we'll likewise hit a peak this week or next.

[Cure]

I live in a two-family house. My tenant upstairs has tested positive for the virus. In case I die, I just want you all to know that I hate each and every one of you. I'll see you all in Hell from Heaven.

[Redeemer]

I live in a two-family house. My tenant upstairs has tested positive for the virus. In case I die, I just want you all to know that I hate each and every one of you. I'll see you all in Hell from Heaven.

What if were Catholic and we are in purgatory????? :lol:

[Voltron]

I live in a two-family house. My tenant upstairs has tested positive for the virus. In case I die, I just want you all to know that I hate each and every one of you. I'll see you all in Hell from Heaven.

Yo, when you get to Heaven tell customer service that this place sucks ass. I mean that in the most visceral, literal, and graphic way possible. I'm giving God a lousy Yelp review.

Also, Apple just announced that they'll be releasing COVID 21 in October. So. . . may wanna start lining around Septemberish.

[Powder]

I live in a two-family house. My tenant upstairs has tested positive for the virus. In case I die, I just want you all to know that I hate each and every one of you. I'll see you all in Hell from Heaven.

Stay safe, my friend. Who am I gonna talk to about Dragon Quest if you dip out?

[IndigoErth]

I live in a two-family house. My tenant upstairs has tested positive for the virus. In case I die, I just want you all to know that I hate each and every one of you. I'll see you all in Hell from Heaven.
Eek, best of luck and stay safe! And yes... I think we all know. :) Just stay up there and no poltergeist BS or you'll be exercised promptly.



Is it legal to superglue a tenant's doors shut with them inside during this... >.> Then line the space at the bottom with Clorox wipes.

[CyberCubed]

I am at work today. Going to work only 1 day a week feels weird as hell. There’s nothing to really do either so like usual I am on my phone all day posting messages like this one.

[IndigoErth]

Better hope they don't realize that this is "like usual" and decide to make it permanent...

[Jester]

People joke about all the Rona Babies were gonna see in 9 months time....I can't help wondering how all of this is gonna effect the number of divorces.

[CyberCubed]

The NY subway is still packed. Now I can see why NY has the most infections in the U.S. And most likely the most deaths when all is said and done.

I seriously doubt all these people are working so I don't know how the subway line is packed with people. And everyone is just standing right next to each other too without a care in the world. To be fair most people are wearing face masks now though.

[IndigoErth]

I'm genuinely surprised they're still making you go out there and no work from home if that would be possible.

People joke about all the Rona Babies were gonna see in 9 months time....I can't help wondering how all of this is gonna effect the number of divorces.
That too... No better way to find out if you can truly stand each other than being made to be home together all the time for weeks on end.


A baby boom is probably predictable, but I've been thinking that on the other hand, that would land right in winter, when we risk a resurgence of this thing (or a new strain like the flu always comes up with) and maybe not the best time to need to go anywhere near a hospital. :ohwell:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I'm thinking that we will see birth rates/population significantly decline in Western countries with already low birth rates since many of them have been hit the hardest (USA, UK, France, Spain, Italy),and because people will fear the virus reaching their future children.

[CyberCubed]

We're at 102,000+ deaths worldwide. I remember when the count was only 20,000-30,000 not too long ago:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I'm not sure how completely accurate this site is, but it mostly correlates with the same news you see in other places and twitter, etc.

I never believed the people who said a million people could die from this, but now it actually sadly seems quite likely when all is said and done. Just imagine 900,000 more people dying, crazy.

[frank_one]

Well, a million people could have actually died already. Remember, the numbers you read are the OFFICIAL numbers, not the actual numbers. As an example, here in Italy only the people who die in the hospitals are reported and added to the official count, the ones who die in their home are not being tested for coronavirus and so they are not counted as coronavirus' victims. The same goes for hospices and similar places, a LOT of old people are dying in there but none is officially reported.
I believe it is the same in the US.

[Galactus]

That too... No better way to find out if you can truly stand each other than being made to be home together all the time for weeks on end.

Unfortunately I went through a pretty bitter break up just before lockdown. Normally I'd be glad of work to take my mind off the heartbreak but since I'm stuck at home I find it's ever present no matter how much I try and focus on other things. Still I am infinitely grateful that it happened when it did. Being stuck in a house for months with someone you can't help arguing with would have been torture.

A baby boom is probably predictable, but I've been thinking that on the other hand, that would land right in winter, when we risk a resurgence of this thing (or a new strain like the flu always comes up with) and maybe not the best time to need to go anywhere near a hospital. :ohwell:

In a very twisted and macabre way Covid-19 is 'solving' a lot of the world's problems like air pollution and now over population. In some ways it really does feel like the planet fighting back after years of us abusing it.

[Sumac]

In a very twisted and macabre way Covid-19 is 'solving' a lot of the world's problems like air pollution and now over population. In some ways it really does feel like the planet fighting back after years of us abusing it.
Except things will return to normal and booming economy will cause even more pollution than before and even death of several millions is basically nothing to the 7+ billions species.

If planet fights back (lol), it does pretty bad job at it.

[Andrew NDB]

Can anyone shed any light on the "recovered" figures we're seeing? Because they seem ridiculously low and it's been months now.

Like, if I go in and get tested, and let's say I have it... I'm sure that would get me flagged as "infected." But if I then quietly go home and get better after a week or two... what's to flag anyone or any polls that I've actually recovered? As in, the numbers? Is a nurse going to call me and double check, or do they just assume I'm perpetually sick?

I don't doubt the deaths (though I have doubts into who is being counted and under what circumstances), but the recoveries seem obviously slanted.

[newfan]

Can anyone shed any light on the "recovered" figures we're seeing? Because they seem ridiculously low and it's been months now.

Like, if I go in and get tested, and let's say I have it... I'm sure that would get me flagged as "infected." But if I then quietly go home and get better after a week or two... what's to flag anyone or any polls that I've actually recovered? As in, the numbers? Is a nurse going to call me and double check, or do they just assume I'm perpetually sick?

I don't doubt the deaths (though I have doubts into who is being counted and under what circumstances), but the recoveries seem obviously slanted.

No idea on recovered numbers but I saw a news article today where apparently 91 'recovered' patients in South Korea have tested positive again.
I think at the moment it seems they are not sure if this is down the virus remaining active in the body for longer than expected, if you can catch it again (major blow to building immunity in that case) or if the virus re-activated in people. Course, false tests under speculation too.

[Voltron]

Can anyone shed any light on the "recovered" figures we're seeing? Because they seem ridiculously low and it's been months now.

Like, if I go in and get tested, and let's say I have it... I'm sure that would get me flagged as "infected." But if I then quietly go home and get better after a week or two... what's to flag anyone or any polls that I've actually recovered? As in, the numbers? Is a nurse going to call me and double check, or do they just assume I'm perpetually sick?

I don't doubt the deaths (though I have doubts into who is being counted and under what circumstances), but the recoveries seem obviously slanted.

We have no idea how many people have it. We don't know how many people have recovered. It's like that scene in Chernobyl where they said the radiation is at 3.6 roentgen. Our testing capabilities are disastrously below par.

Any number given is going to be tainted by the lack of data. For example, Japan has a really low number of infections. Japan is also not testing people unless they're presenting severe symptoms. The US doesn't have the capacity to test all the infected. China doesn't seem to be reporting their infected.

Former co-worker is at home for two weeks with pneumonia. But she hasn't been tested because apparently the symptoms weren't severe enough to warrant a test. Grandfather in law just passed away two days ago after a brief bout with pnuemonia. Hospital said it wasn't COVID related. No test. Wife just got a cold and locked herself in a room out of panic for the rest of the family. She'll most likely ride it out, too.

[Galactus]

Oh I fully expect things to get worse after this crisis is over.

Trump has had EPA suspend its enforcement of environmental laws during the ongoing coronavirus outbreak meaning companies will not face any sanction for polluting the air or water. This is done in the guise of protecting the fossil fuel industries during this time but there's no sign that he would reverse this back once the crisis of over.

I suspect a lot of industries in the wake of this will move to make sure they not only play catch up with what they've lost but make sure they can't so easily be shut down should something like this occur again.

Which is a shame. Here in the UK we're allowed to go out to exercise as long as we don't gather in large groups and unless you're isolating together stay two meters apart from another person. Walking around my local park I was amazed at how clean and fresh the air seemed and how the water seemed much clearer. Everyone seemed much more pleasant too smiling and nodding as they passed each other. If it wasn't for the existential terror of potentially catching a deadly virus I'd say it was pretty gosh darned nice.

I would love after this if more people worked from home, if people didn't travel unnecessarily for business they can do via phone, email or skype etc If we started to commit to a carbon neutral society....but yeah I doubt that will happen. It'll probably go the other way.

On the flip side this is likely not the last global pandemic we'll face and I'm sure the next will be even worse. Particularly if people shrug their shoulders and go "well we survived Coronavirus this is no big deal".

[Sumac]

I would love after this if more people worked from home, if people didn't travel unnecessarily for business they can do via phone, email or skype etc If we started to commit to a carbon neutral society....but yeah I doubt that will happen. It'll probably go the other way.
Yeah, let's go from globalism to global segregation, where everyone are sitting in their homes and don't interact with each other directly.

But then don't be puzzled why young people have so little social skills or why your country have such a tiny number of babies.

But that's what migrants are for, right? Of course, your culture and tradition must go, but who cares - nature is safe. Until those migrants will pollute everything around them, because, their societies are not on the same step as ours when it comes to ecology. And then the next virus might come from the wet market somewhere in London or Paris. Oh well...
Round and round and round it goes...


I just love how some people are so captivate by their worthless emotions that they are capable of thinking only 1 step ahead of them. Makes me feel smarter than I am. :lol:

[ChosenOne]

Starting to look like WALL-E is actually a clairvoyant documentary.

[Sumac]

Starting to look like WALL-E is actually a clairvoyant documentary.
More panic and fear-mongering! More panic and fear-mongering!

But I wonder, will people who cry about "poor nature" are willing to show by example and leave our modern "dirty" civilization behind to live one with nature?

[CyberCubed]

Does anyone know anyone who is in High School this year supposed to graduate? I feel bad for the High School kids this year who are going to miss out on their graduation, or stuff like senior prom, etc. I guess they can do a virtual graduation online, due to the power of technology.

Imagine you're in 12th grade about to graduate High School and your whole senior year is wrecked by the virus.

[MikeandRaph87]

Does anyone know anyone who is in High School this year supposed to graduate? I feel bad for the High School kids this year who are going to miss out on their graduation, or stuff like senior prom, etc. I guess they can do a virtual graduation online, due to the power of technology.

Imagine you're in 12th grade about to graduate High School and your whole senior year is wrecked by the virus.

I am dealing with that on the front lines. The last 43 days of their senior year canceled. The Spring sports season and Spring play, Spring Orchestra concert, prom, faculty vs stuedent kick ball game, senior picnic, graduate of distinction ceremony, graduation all gone with restrictions in place until June 10th, 2 weeks after their ceremony date. A possibility of a ceremony could still happen after June 10th, but right now we are rolling up our sleeves on Tuesday to send out hard copies to those who requested distance learning packets by mail due to a lack of WiFi accessibility to go with the report cards. Cost the school $3,000 postage when we do it on Tuesday. Since I am interning under the principal I have to be one of the people putting it all together and was told everyone must wear disposable gloves and a mask upon entering the building.

[IndigoErth]

I feel bad for those graduating, esp the high schoolers. I'm kind of hoping that most schools will consider inviting them to attend as as alumni at next year's prom.

Geeze, my old high school always had senior trip to Disney World at the end of April. And parents had to be making payments well in advance. To think if they still do that... ouch. :( I'd have been really sad to have that canceled.

[Galactus]

That's a really big hop, skip and a jump to get to what I described to what you described, Sumac. There's nothing wrong with hoping that this crisis will bring about some societal changes for the betterment of life. And no we don't have live like Ahmish to live a lifestyle that isn't destroying the world at the advanced rate we were doing before this mess.

[ChosenOne]

More panic and fear-mongering! More panic and fear-mongering!

But I wonder, will people who cry about "poor nature" are willing to show by example and leave our modern "dirty" civilization behind to live one with nature?

We can't do that (anymore). Those who think we can should read/watch "Into the Wild" and interpret it as a cautionary tale. We're no longer a part of nature, nor are we above or below it on the power scale. We're completely isolated, outside of it. And it wants us gone via our own stupid devices. Maybe we have this all wrong and we're actually the virus, the planet's immune system is just fighting back to keep itself alive. Who even knows at this point. If this virus doesn't wipe us out completely, another just like it or even worse will come along, and another, and another, until we're gone. It's a matter of when, not if.

That's a really big hop, skip and a jump to get to what I described to what you described, Sumac. There's nothing wrong with hoping that this crisis will bring about some societal changes for the betterment of life. And no we don't have live like Ahmish to live a lifestyle that isn't destroying the world at the advanced rate we were doing before this mess.

One thing this crisis clearly illustrates is that the ones most responsible for destroying the world are the ones whom everyone else holds the least accountable, and the ones who don't give a flying **** about what they do to nature and biodiversity.

[IndigoErth]

Maybe we have this all wrong and we're actually the virus, the planet's immune system is just fighting back to keep itself alive.
*nod* If any other species spread as far and wide and had as much negative impact on the planet...we'd be freaking out and considering them an globally invasive plague. But humans lack much of that self awareness.



For all we know the planet is just a cell inside something else and we're just an infection on it...

[Sumac]

That's a really big hop, skip and a jump to get to what I described to what you described, Sumac. There's nothing wrong with hoping that this crisis will bring about some societal changes for the betterment of life. And no we don't have live like Ahmish to live a lifestyle that isn't destroying the world at the advanced rate we were doing before this mess.
Except it will make things even worse, because, as soon as crisis pass, economy and business will boom again with much more energy.
Also, this virus has nothing to do with global warming or whatever, so I am not sure why some people are taking as it is some sort of "planet's revenge" or some ****ery like that.

It's not the first pandemic in the history of the humanity and definitely no the most devastating. It seems to me that modern people has become a bit too little cushioned and take anything that ruins their way of life as a literal "end of days". It is so stupid.

Our ancestors would laughed out loud if they can see how we take this crisis on.

And it wants us gone via our own stupid devices. Maybe we have this all wrong and we're actually the virus, the planet's immune system is just fighting back to keep itself alive. Who even knows at this point.

If this virus doesn't wipe us out completely, another just like it or even worse will come along, and another, and another, until we're gone. It's a matter of when, not if.
More of this ********. At this point you might as well proclaim your belief in gods and fairies.

Planet is not a sentient being and this virus had originated because of human negligence. That's all there is to it.
Any supernatural explanation is just outdated stupid and pathetic superstitious ********.

One thing this crisis clearly illustrates is that the ones most responsible for destroying the world are the ones whom everyone else holds the least accountable, and the ones who don't give a flying **** about what they do to nature and biodiversity.
Sounds like a Chinese government alright.

*nod* If any other species spread as far and wide and had as much negative impact on the planet...we'd be freaking out and considering them an globally invasive plague. But humans lack much of that self awareness.
Comparing invasion of sentient beings with a mindless virus - totally makes sense. Not.

Also, comparing humanity to a virus, lol.
Humans were never "in harmony with nature". We always modified nature to serve our needs, ever since we learn how to build weapons and agriculture. It's called being intelligent and comparing our species to virus is insulting and pathetic as ****. Its selling short all achievements of humanity and all compassion and love that humans spend building our world.

But, of course, if you think of prefer to think of yourself as mindless strain of parasitic DNA, well, I won't discourage you. Everyone has the right to think as low about themselves as possible, I personally don't mind it. It encourages everyone else to think higher of themselves, so thank you, I guess? :lol:

[Galactus]

Except it will make things even worse, because, as soon as crisis pass, economy and business will boom again with much more energy.
Also, this virus has nothing to do with global warming or whatever, so I am not sure why some people are taking as it is some sort of "planet's revenge" or some ****ery like that.

It's not the first pandemic in the history of the humanity and definitely no the most devastating. It seems to me that modern people has become a bit too little cushioned and take anything that ruins their way of life as a literal "end of days". It is so stupid.

Our ancestors would laughed out loud if they can see how we take this crisis on.

The economy is certainly not going to boom again after this is over. Most of the world wasn't doing all that well before this happened, we're still feeling the affects of the '08 crash and it's going to take a long time to recover from this. It will also be an excuse for most countries governments to make harsh cuts for the foreseeable future 'justified' because of how much money they had to spend during this crisis.

Also no one is saying that the world is fighting back mean it literally. Just that there is some kind of irony that this pandemic is having a positive effect on the environment. Air pollution is drastically down all over the world and it's cleaner as is water. We've stopped encroaching on wildlife spaces which is a major cause of diseases being spread from animals to humans. There are some benefits to this that I hope will stay even once we've weathered this storm.

Also when was the last pandemic on this scale? Spanish flu? That was in the early 1900s. This is the first time that anyone living has ever had to experience anything like this. I think people can be forgiven for not taking it in their strides.

[Voltron]

Numbers out of Korea (http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200412000085) indicate 70% of the COVID patients have made a full recovery. I could only find one source on it, but

Of the total, 70.1 percent, or 7,368, are no longer sick and have been declared virus-free. Some 2,930 are still in isolation for treatment and 214 are dead.

Meanwhile outlets are reporting that the US has taken the top spot in coronavirus deaths.

US Eꓘonomy boom bigger than ewer, ꓘomrade! Trust me!
When have Яussia lie to make United America States bad place? It good idea for you to vote against health care and hate China gowerment for great Ameriꓘan justice!

Sometimes I get the feeling we're being trolled. . .

[Sumac]

The economy is certainly not going to boom again after this is over. Most of the world wasn't doing all that well before this happened, we're still feeling the affects of the '08 crash and it's going to take a long time to recover from this.
While economy overall might not completely recover, the businesses, which were dormant due to the quarantine will return and try to recoup their losses. Also, international travel and tourism also will return.
Though, they would be hardly on the same scale as they were before pandemic, I suppose.

Also no one is saying that the world is fighting back mean it literally. Just that there is some kind of irony that this pandemic is having a positive effect on the environment. Air pollution is drastically down all over the world and it's cleaner as is water. We've stopped encroaching on wildlife spaces which is a major cause of diseases being spread from animals to humans. There are some benefits to this that I hope will stay even once we've weathered this storm.
Also, those "positive" effects will be eliminated as soon as things will return to normal. Saying that humans will travel less on planes or factories somehow will produce less pollution, after the crisis, is rather strange opinion.

On contrary, this crisis does not benefit anyone in the long term as a lot of useful research and studies which could have been made during this time frame were postponed and people who could've been responsible for it could've died.

Also when was the last pandemic on this scale? Spanish flu? That was in the early 1900s. This is the first time that anyone living has ever had to experience anything like this. I think people can be forgiven for not taking it in their strides.
Perhaps, but pretending that it is the END OF THE WORLD AND EVERYONE WILL DIE is a ****ing hilarious overreaction.

Sometimes I get the feeling we're being trolled. . .
Sometimes, I feel you are incapable of properly processing any other opinion, but your own, which is quite normal for brainwashed people, especially those who blame all their problems on someone else, be it Russians, evil internet trolls or whoever.

Yes, economy will be booming again after crisis, which happens after every crisis ever. What it has to do with US and hating China, is beyond me. Unless you think I can convince people on a forum to do something, which is rather fun exaggeration. But in case, if it was real, it'd only prove weakness of your position.
It seems you once again talking with imaginary stereotypes in your head. Well, I hope they are much friendlier than real people. Don't forget to buy them vodka in my name, товарищ "левачок". :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

I definitely can't fathom any long term benefit from this. And I'm super wary of anyone who sees that there would be. And that's me largely biting my tongue.

[Voltron]

Except it will make things even worse, because, as soon as crisis pass, economy and business will boom again with much more energy.
Also, this virus has nothing to do with global warming or whatever, so I am not sure why some people are taking as it is some sort of "planet's revenge" or some ****ery like that.

Here is Sumac saying the economy will boom again. Bigger than ever, too!

While economy overall might not completely recover, the businesses, which were dormant due to the quarantine will return and try to recoup their losses. Also, international travel and tourism also will return.
Though, they would be hardly on the same scale as they were before pandemic, I suppose.

Here is Sumac saying that the economy won't do that. This was written 6 hours after the first post.

Yes, economy will be booming again after crisis, which happens after every crisis ever.

Here he says the economy will boom. This is in the same post where he says it won't make a full recovery.

Sumac then goes on to call other people stupid. So. . . you can talk to him all you want, but this guy can't even keep an argument straight for 5 minutes.

Sometimes, I feel you are incapable of properly processing any other opinion, but your own, which is quite normal for brainwashed people, especially those who blame all their problems on someone else, be it Russians, evil internet trolls or whoever.

You just spent the entire thread blaming the Chinese government. You also tout your poison content in your sig. You also start fights with most of the people on the board.

I have friends who are Russian. I don't blame them for things. I blame you, specifically.

[Sumac]

I definitely can't fathom any long term benefit from this. And I'm super wary of anyone who sees that there would be. And that's me largely biting my tongue.
How can you say that!
Don't you know that as soon as this crisis will stop, everyone will embrace wonderful Socialism Social Welfare, will hold hands, factories stop pollute air and planes will stop flying around. Birds will sing louder, sky will be bluer, grass will be greener!
For our Socialist Social Welfare future, comrades!!

Here is Sumac saying the economy will boom again. Bigger than ever, too!

Here is Sumac saying that the economy won't do that. This was written 6 hours after the first post.

Here he says the economy will boom. This is in the same post where he says it won't make a full recovery.

Sumac then goes on to call other people stupid. So. . . you can talk to him all you want, but this guy can't even keep an argument straight for 5 minutes.
What a horrible contradiction: saying that economy will boom, but won't make full recover in an instant. :lol:

If you want to caught me saying something bad, you could choose something more juicy, than your personal misunderstanding.

Also, does saying that economy will recover offends you or something?

I mean, for a true and real Komrade it will be bad, because, how our dear Komrade will prove superiority of Socialism Social Welfare programs over evil and merciless beast that is Der Kapitalism, but no need to make it that blatant.

You just spent the entire thread blaming the Chinese government. You also tout your poison content in your sig. You also start fights with most of the people on the board.

I have friends who are Russian. I don't blame them for things. I blame you, specifically.
A lot of Chinese people from China must have been reading this forum and have been offended by my words. Especially those whose relative and friends had died in the pandemic, thanks to a Chinese Government and their Great Leader Xinnie-the-Pooh!

Of course, if your stance, that "China didndunuffinwrong" by allowing wet markets to prosper and then hiding data about epidemic until it was too late, you are welcome to provide an argument which will say so, instead of insulting me.
Not that you are capable of doing so, unless you are living on another planet, Komrade.

Also, what exactly are you blaming me for?
If your "ideals" can be easily subverted by the efforts of one single person on a half dead forum, then your ideals are ****** and shouldn't be considered in the first place! :lol:

[Voltron]

How can you say that!
Don't you know that as soon as this crisis will stop, everyone will embrace wonderful Socialism Social Welfare, will hold hands, factories stop pollute air and planes will stop flying around. Birds will sing louder, sky will be bluer, grass will be greener!
For our Socialist Social Welfare future, comrades!!


What a horrible contradiction: saying that economy will boom, but won't make full recover in an instant. :lol:

If you want to caught me saying something bad, you could choose something more juicy, than your personal misunderstanding.

Also, does saying that economy will recover offends you or something?

I mean, for a true and real Komrade it will be bad, because, how our dear Komrade will prove superiority of Socialism Social Welfare programs over evil and merciless beast that is Der Kapitalism, but no need to make it that blatant.


A lot of Chinese people from China must have been reading this forum and have been offended by my words. Especially those whose relative and friends had died in the pandemic, thanks to a Chinese Government and their Great Leader Xinnie-the-Pooh!

Of course, if your stance, that "China didndunuffinwrong" by allowing wet markets to prosper and then hiding data about epidemic until it was too late, you are welcome to provide an argument which will say so, instead of insulting me.
Not that you are capable of doing so, unless you are living on another planet, Komrade.

Also, what exactly are you blaming me for?
If your "ideals" can be easily subverted by the efforts of one single person on a half dead forum, then your ideals are ****** and shouldn't be considered in the first place! :lol:

I think I broke him, guys. Call the asshole repair man.

[Sumac]

I think I broke him, guys. Call the asshole repair man.
So you have nothing to refute my arguments, just insults.
I would have been surprised if you had something worthy to say just once.

Also, talking about "asshole repair", considering your meltdown couple of posts prior, I feel you in more desperate need of that, Komrade. :lol:

I hope Socialism Social Welfare will treat you well.

[ChosenOne]

More of this ********. At this point you might as well proclaim your belief in gods and fairies.

Planet is not a sentient being and this virus had originated because of human negligence. That's all there is to it.
Any supernatural explanation is just outdated stupid and pathetic superstitious ********.

When did I bring up the supernatural? The planet may not be a sentient organism (AFAWK), but it sure as hell is a living organism. And what do you call a cluster of cells in a living organism that have stopped performing their original function and multiplied exponentially in erratic ways, causing damage to that very organism...? That's literally the textbook definition of a cancer.

We were supposed to fit into the ecosystem, to work as part of it like every other species, but we've stepped outside of nature because we think ourselves superior to it and the negligence that comes from that arrogance is going to lead to our downfall. Nothing biblical or supernatural about it. Just the first ever species in the history of the planet to bring about its own extinction. Michael Crichton would've had a lot to say about these past few months.

I think we're both saying the exact same thing, it's just that you read into my post in a way that wasn't there.

[teemu]

I live in a two-family house. My tenant upstairs has tested positive for the virus. In case I die, I just want you all to know that I hate each and every one of you. I'll see you all in Hell from Heaven.

Sure he did...apparently nobody dies from or catches anything else but this boogie man monster, corona virus

[Stephen]

Boris Johnson out of intensive care
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52238276

And released from hospital now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52262012

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said it "could have gone either way" as he thanked healthcare workers for saving his life after being discharged from hospital.

Mr Johnson, 55, was taken to London's St Thomas' Hospital on Sunday - 10 days after testing positive for Covid-19.

He spent three nights in intensive care before returning to a ward on Thursday.

He said in a video on Twitter that he had witnessed the "personal courage" of hospital staff on the front line.

Mr Johnson said two nurses - Jenny from New Zealand and Luis from Portugal - stood by his bedside for 48 hours at the most critical time and named several other hospital workers who cared for him this past week that he wanted to thank.

He said NHS workers "kept putting themselves in harm's way, kept risking this deadly virus".

"It is thanks to that courage, that devotion, that duty and that love that our NHS has been unbeatable," he said.

Downing Street said the PM would continue his recovery at his country residence, Chequers.

"On the advice of his medical team, the PM will not be immediately returning to work. He wishes to thank everybody at St Thomas' for the brilliant care he has received.

"All of his thoughts are with those affected by this illness."

[IndigoErth]

Comparing invasion of sentient beings with a mindless virus - totally makes sense. Not.

Also, comparing humanity to a virus, lol.
Humans were never "in harmony with nature". We always modified nature to serve our needs, ever since we learn how to build weapons and agriculture. It's called being intelligent and comparing our species to virus is insulting and pathetic as ****. Its selling short all achievements of humanity and all compassion and love that humans spend building our world.

But, of course, if you think of prefer to think of yourself as mindless strain of parasitic DNA, well, I won't discourage you. Everyone has the right to think as low about themselves as possible, I personally don't mind it. It encourages everyone else to think higher of themselves, so thank you, I guess? :lol:
Well I kind of figured someone would predictably take that too seriously and respond like that because it hurts some people's feelings to suggest humans aren't as special as we desperately like to believe. And worse, are not that great of a species. (edit: Which makes the "supernatural" rant kind of weird because that itself is the basis of thinking humans are so special.)

Once we're extinct not a damn thing we do will have mattered other than the destruction we've left behind.


and this virus had originated because of human negligence.
Pretty sure human negligence has nothing to do with the opportunistic tendencies of viruses to mutate enough to jump species and didn't originate with anything humans did or didn't do.

[ChosenOne]

Pretty sure human negligence has nothing to do with the opportunistic tendencies of viruses to mutate enough to jump species and didn't originate with anything humans did or didn't do.

True, but we (or at least the Chinese and their wet markets) sure rolled out the red carpet for this one.

[IndigoErth]

Oh, absolutely. Like most successful things on this planet that find their niche, a good opportunity existed and that little bastard took it. :tmad:



On another note though, viruses are fascinating that way imo. No consciousness (that we know of at least in the way we think of it??) yet some form of rogue RNA or DNA that operates on its own. How the heck did these things even come to exist while not even being what we'd consider to be alive... Yet function like it is. If it can't know what it's doing, then what is its point even; why does it even matter to it if it survives. Is it a handful of genetic material desperately trying to mutate and evolve into something slightly higher?

[Sumac]

When did I bring up the supernatural? The planet may not be a sentient organism (AFAWK), but it sure as hell is a living organism. And what do you call a cluster of cells in a living organism that have stopped performing their original function and multiplied exponentially in erratic ways, causing damage to that very organism...? That's literally the textbook definition of a cancer.
I've yet to hear about cancer that had created cultures, philosophy, rockets and thinks about colonizing other planets.

We were supposed to fit into the ecosystem, to work as part of it like every other species, but we've stepped outside of nature because we think ourselves superior to it and the negligence that comes from that arrogance is going to lead to our downfall. Nothing biblical or supernatural about it. Just the first ever species in the history of the planet to bring about its own extinction. Michael Crichton would've had a lot to say about these past few months.
We were never supposed to be part of ecosystem. It is only in fairy tells people can exist in balance with nature.

As soon as humanity, or any other sentient species, develop agriculture, weapons, control of fire and medicines (probably the most important thing here), they are out of ecosystem.

And, yes, humans are superior to any other species on the planet. Nothing arrogant about it, unless you can provide examples of culture and philosophy created by birds, monkeys, fishes and whatnot. It is our right to mold our planet as we see fit. Of course, preferably without disastrous consequences, but I believe humans will find a way to counter it.

My faith in human ingenuity and ability to survive is unshakable. Too bad you do not belong to the visionaries and optimists. Enjoy your meaningless viral existence, I guess.

Well I kind of figured someone would predictably take that too seriously and respond like that because it hurts some people's feelings to suggest humans aren't as special as we desperately like to believe. And worse, are not that great of a species. (edit: Which makes the "supernatural" rant kind of weird because that itself is the basis of thinking humans are so special.)
My feelings are not hurt, because, of your statements. My mind is puzzled, though, that you do not want to see the greatness of humanity. Saying we are nothing special is no less arrogant, and may I add, ignorant.
It is pretty much ignoring everything that humanity had achieved, like a little baby, who is not interested in studying a book.
Oh well, there is no cure for inferiority complex, I guess.

Once we're extinct not a damn thing we do will have mattered other than the destruction we've left behind.
When universe will collapse nothing will matter at all.
Maybe we should let everything die than, since ultimately everything that we do is meaningless in a grand scheme of things?

[IndigoErth]

It's this odd thing called humility.

[Voltron]

You'll have to try something else. The guy's completely impervious to shame.

[Andrew NDB]

Pretty much he's just dishing pure logic. Tell it, Sumac.

[Sumac]

It's this odd thing called humility.
Why, though?
You are insulting humanity, making foolish claims. You are denying greatness of human achievements. If anything, it is you who should be humiliated by your contempt towards humans.
Is it just a bad mood? Frustration due to the lack of personal achievements? I don't know. Neither I care.

At this trying times, remembering greatness of humanity will help everyone to keep hope that we will survive and prosper in the future. Denying it - is counterproductive and borderline traitorous.

Boy, do I love being melodramatic. :lol:

You'll have to try something else. The guy's completely impervious to shame.
Shame? I am not the ones calling humanity "cancer", Komrade.

[ChosenOne]

I've yet to hear about cancer that had created cultures, philosophy, rockets and thinks about colonizing other planets.

That's called metastasis. I hadn't heard of any other species in the history of the planet that brought about its own extinction, and yet here we are.

We were never supposed to be part of ecosystem. It is only in fairy tells people can exist in balance with nature.

(...)

As soon as humanity, or any other sentient species, develop agriculture, weapons, control of fire and medicines (probably the most important thing here), they are out of ecosystem.

So you do acknowledge that there was a point in our evolution when we were just like any other animal, just as sophisticated as our fellow primates or many other gregarous species, and inherently part of the ecosystem... And as coincidence would have it, said "point" happens to have taken up most of our chronological existence on this planet, with everything else that we're allowed to flaunt as a species taking place over a comparatively short period of time. Good, just so we're clear.

We're not superior in any way. Superior beings wouldn't use their gifts to destroy others and themselves without giving a ****. The only people who actually think we were predestined to be any kind of special are, objectively, the ones who believe in imaginary old men (or women) in the sky.

But like you said, let's not go into fairytales and the supernatural, eh? ;)

At this trying times, remembering greatness of humanity will help everyone to keep hope that we will survive and prosper in the future. Denying it - is counterproductive and borderline traitorous.

Jesus, man... For someone who's so outspoken against the dangers of the left-wing and its love of gulags, you sure sound like a copywriter for the kind of flyers they drop out of airplanes over occupied territory.

[IndigoErth]

Right... well, you do you, Sumac. But expecting others to do you, rather than doing them -- and without attacking them with straw men or ad hominem -- is kind of a lost cause.

[Cure]

Sure he did...apparently nobody dies from or catches anything else but this boogie man monster, corona virus

Well, he ****ing did, you incredulous piece of ****.

[Voltron]

Jesus. . . That's awful and terrifying. Take care of yourself, man.

[Galactus]

We were never supposed to be part of ecosystem. It is only in fairy tells people can exist in balance with nature.

As soon as humanity, or any other sentient species, develop agriculture, weapons, control of fire and medicines (probably the most important thing here), they are out of ecosystem.

And, yes, humans are superior to any other species on the planet. Nothing arrogant about it, unless you can provide examples of culture and philosophy created by birds, monkeys, fishes and whatnot. It is our right to mold our planet as we see fit. Of course, preferably without disastrous consequences, but I believe humans will find a way to counter it.

My faith in human ingenuity and ability to survive is unshakable. Too bad you do not belong to the visionaries and optimists. Enjoy your meaningless viral existence, I guess

I'm sorry but we very much do need to coexist with the ecosystem. We need air to breath, water to drink and O-zone to protect us from the sun. Human ingenuity has not found a way to replicate these things artificially and likely never will.

Humans are not even the first dominant species on this planet and it's only because a random rock happened to drop on the planet that we were given a shot to evolve. We're only another rock drop from the same thing happening to us and there is currently zilch we could do about it. If it's not a rock, it could be nuclear war, another plague or even the machines rising up. Yeah, that's how superior we are, most of the likely instruments of our destruction we created our selves. Things like art, science, culture philosophy will do us little good if we destroy ourselves. In that case the cockroach will be the most superior species. They were here before us and will likely here after us...well cockroaches and Cher.

No one is saying we need to live in a hippie commune and reject technology but hoping this this whole crisis makes people reevaluate their lifestyle choices and leads to wider societal changes is still something that we should all be hoping for.

[Andrew NDB]

No one is saying we need to live in a hippie commune and reject technology but hoping this this whole crisis makes people reevaluate their lifestyle choices and leads to wider societal changes

Spoiler alert: it will not. India will keep doing what they're doing. China will keep doing what they're doing. Brazil will keep on doing Brazil things. Etc., etc..

[Sumac]

That's called metastasis. I hadn't heard of any other species in the history of the planet that brought about its own extinction, and yet here we are.
And have you heard about species, which care about each other as much as humans do?
Giving your answers, guess not.

So you do acknowledge that there was a point in our evolution when we were just like any other animal, just as sophisticated as our fellow primates or many other gregarous species, and inherently part of the ecosystem... And as coincidence would have it, said "point" happens to have taken up most of our chronological existence on this planet, with everything else that we're allowed to flaunt as a species taking place over a comparatively short period of time. Good, just so we're clear.
For most of the Earth's history it was a lifeless boiling rock flying in space. So?

We're not superior in any way. Superior beings wouldn't use their gifts to destroy others and themselves without giving a ****. The only people who actually think we were predestined to be any kind of special are, objectively, the ones who believe in imaginary old men (or women) in the sky.

But like you said, let's not go into fairytales and the supernatural, eh? ;)
No, humanity is superior, because, no other beings on this planet were able to learn from their mistakes and create a better and safer environment for themselves.

I find it's amazing that in a span of just 5000 years humanity made such a gigantic leap and crying that for most of our history we were mindlessly killing each other is hilariously ignorant. It's like there was nothing else in the human history. No great works of art, no compassion, no love, nothing. Your view of humanity is that of edgy teenager who loves Gothic rock and says stuff like: "everything is meaningless and should die".

One don't need to believe in supernatural to believe that humanity is special: one just need to use their logic and look upon our history and achievements. A bit hurdling task for some, but, well, it can't be helped.

Jesus, man... For someone who's so outspoken against the dangers of the left-wing and its love of gulags, you sure sound like a copywriter for the kind of flyers they drop out of airplanes over occupied territory.
You don't like truth, ain't you? :lol:

Right... well, you do you, Sumac. But expecting others to do you, rather than doing them -- and without attacking them with straw men or ad hominem -- is kind of a lost cause.
It's highlights lack of argumentation of the opposition.

I'm sorry but we very much do need to coexist with the ecosystem. We need air to breath, water to drink and O-zone to protect us from the sun. Human ingenuity has not found a way to replicate these things artificially and likely never will.

Humans are not even the first dominant species on this planet and it's only because a random rock happened to drop on the planet that we were given a shot to evolve. We're only another rock drop from the same thing happening to us and there is currently zilch we could do about it. If it's not a rock, it could be nuclear war, another plague or even the machines rising up. Yeah, that's how superior we are, most of the likely instruments of our destruction we created our selves. Things like art, science, culture philosophy will do us little good if we destroy ourselves. In that case the cockroach will be the most superior species. They were here before us and will likely here after us...well cockroaches and Cher.

No one is saying we need to live in a hippie commune and reject technology but hoping this this whole crisis makes people reevaluate their lifestyle choices and leads to wider societal changes is still something that we should all be hoping for.
Comparing dinosaurs to humans is hilariously ignorant. Dinosaurs were unable to create anything remotely resembling civilization, even though they have existed longer than humans.

I am fairly sure that humans will figure out how to replicate all things necessary for life. It's not matter of "if" it is a matter of "when".

And, yes, there is always a possibility that humanity can die. And? Should we completely abandon everything, because, of that? Heck, at any given moment neutron star can explode somewhere and give Earth a deadly dose of radiation. Or brick can drop on your head.

Death is always a possibility, but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive forward to new discoveries and greatness. On contrary, defying death is what humans are very good at and this fight should be carried on, despite ever present danger to us a species, including self-inflicted dangers. This is what can give us a meaning, some people crave for. And this is what ultimately will move us forward. A Will To Survive and Make Our Life Better!
To the new Discoveries and Life!

And once again, I don't think this crisis will change a lot: I'd hope that Chinese government would be bankrupt and their militaristic ****ing shithole ruined until people revolt and destroy "communist" parasites, but that is unlikely, since greed of the West is more important than punishing people who led us into this crisis. And of course, Western countries will take a closer look at their healthcare systems, but I wouldn't be expecting much.

Politicians and CEOs will nod, and things will go on as usual until scientific progress will offer better, cheaper alternatives. That's how free market works.

[Galactus]

Why do you keep trying to jump from people saying they hope people make simple lifestyle changes to protect our health and environment to going back to the dark ages and rejecting human progress.

Simply saying that in the wake of this I hope that office workers realise they don't need to travel sometimes out of the country to have business meetings in person when they could easily have a conference call or Skype isn't turning our backs on human progress, heck it's embracing human progress.

Hoping that we rely less on fossil fuels and rely more on environmentally friendly power sources is literally human progress. Fossil fuels are finite they are going to run out eventually why not properly commit to a carbon neutral society?

Saying that we hope that our systems of governments that think investing in things is a bad thing and will often justify poor decisions of not building schools and hospitals and maintaining infrastructure with the justification that we don't have the money or resources will be forced to change by the public.

This crisis has shown that all these things can be done and done easily.

[Cure]

Jesus. . . That's awful and terrifying. Take care of yourself, man.

Well, no, my bad, he hasn't died, but he did get the virus. That's what I meant.

[ChosenOne]

And have you heard about species, which care about each other as much as humans do?
Giving your answers, guess not.

Yeah, pretty much every other gregarious species on the planet and even some that aren't.

For most of the Earth's history it was a lifeless boiling rock flying in space. So?

Ah, so now you're also acknowledging that it's not a lifeless hunk of rock anymore. Thank you.

No, humanity is superior, because, no other beings on this planet were able to learn from their mistakes and create a better and safer environment for themselves.

We did? Where is it?

I find it's amazing that in a span of just 5000 years humanity made such a gigantic leap and crying that for most of our history we were mindlessly killing each other is hilariously ignorant. It's like there was nothing else in the human history. No great works of art, no compassion, no love, nothing. Your view of humanity is that of edgy teenager who loves Gothic rock and says stuff like: "everything is meaningless and should die".

I'm not even offended or bothered by your words because it's clear you're misunderstanding me, either by accident or - what seems more likely - on purpose. I'm not saying everything is meaningless and should die, I'm saying such and such is what brought us to this point and will likely wipe us out for good. Yes, I've been comparing humans to a cancer, but I'm not about to kill myself or others over that. It's just a simple statement of facts.

What it all boils down to is this: is your immune system sentient? Can you converse with it? Does it have culture, or works of art, or compassion, or love, or whatever? Does it have tiny microscopic André Rieus directing waltzes in it, or miniature Banksys leaving graffiti on your stomach lining? Or does it just exist and do its thing? While the planet is most certainly not sentient (again, AFAWK), it's quite clear that it's a living thing with an immune system like yours and mine. It's not sentient but it's certainly active. If it finds something it deems an illness, it'll work overtime to dispose of it. Sometimes it'll overheat, causing a fever. Sometimes it'll send out antibodies to quell the infection. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

Point is, it doesn't have to be sentient to want us gone.

One don't need to believe in supernatural to believe that humanity is special: one just need to use their logic and look upon our history and achievements. A bit hurdling task for some, but, well, it can't be helped.

Oh, yes, our achievements. Like nuclear bombs, which most people in the world spent half the last century in deathly terror of, and many of us still do because the threat isn't really gone. Like money, which led to greed, which led to wet markets that have already spawned a handful of viruses like this latest one. It's not even the first China virus to go on a world tour, as it were. Every action has a reaction. For every one of our achievements, there's at least one possible cause for our extinction lying in wait, and we paved the way for it. So assuming the virus doesn't wipe our species out, there's always the next one to come out of China or some other Third World country thanks to air travel and globalization and a general contempt for borders, and even if they don't get us, the nukes probably will. Or the climate change we let China and India exacerbate. Yes indeed, such a safe environment... :roll:

You don't like truth, ain't you? :lol:

I dunno. Show me some and we'll talk.

[teemu]

Well, he ****ing did, you incredulous piece of ****.

:lol: That's not Jesus in your Sig their buddy, that's actually HORUS

Perhaps maybe do some research that Virus's originate from within your own cells (which have become toxic in your body as the virus is an actual cleansing. Along a with weaken immune system and vitamin deficiency) or also through actually being injected with a virus (like a flu vaccine which contains a live flu strain in it,along with toxic substances like mercury,allumininum,thirmerosal etc). Tom Barnett (among many others telling the truth) lays it out perfectly. You cannot catch a virus, especially airborne. It's time for people to wake the hell up instead of buying into this pandemic HOAX.

[Sumac]

This crisis has shown that all these things can be done and done easily.
If any of those things could have been done easily and cheaply they would've been a lifetime ago.

The thing is, since they didn't, it means it is neither easy nor cheap.
Building utopia in your head is easy and saying stuff like: "those things should be like that" is easy. Implementing something in real life, for it to gain enough support and traction is hard.

I don't really see what the problem with the managers flying to another countries, since private jets are nothing compared to amount of flights made by regular aviation. In general, people who hang up on "private jets should be abolished, because they are not eco-friendly" are hilarious to me.

Like, do you really think that few private jets flying here and there are much more damaging to the planet than hundreds of planes flying back and forth between countries all over the world?
It is like saying that random bonfire is damaging to the park, whereas you have a giant factory right next to it.

Also, fossil fuel is much less finite than a lot of people think. And so far, there is no clear cut alternative to it. Also, production of electric batteries for electric cars is nearly as damaging to the environment as using cars on fossil fuel (https://www.engineering.com/ElectronicsDesign/ElectronicsDesignArticles/ArticleID/17435/Will-Your-Electric-Car-Save-the-World-or-Wreck-It.aspx). Besides, where do you think electricity comes from for those electric cars?
And once again, what about planes, rockets, other types of transport which need much more energy than any battery can provide?

The main problem - is pollution. But Global Warming is not a problem. Or at least, it is not a problem humanity can do anything about. But we'll adapt and survive. As always.

Yeah, pretty much every other gregarious species on the planet and even some that aren't.
Do those species create medicines and hospitals? How many species care about weak newborns or old crippled members of their societies?
Very few. And none to the extent of humanity.

Ah, so now you're also acknowledging that it's not a lifeless hunk of rock anymore. Thank you.
It doesn't make Earth "living organism" in itself.
Earth is a lifeless rock, bound to physical processes.
Live on it is called biosphere, but it is irrelevant to the existence of the planet itself.
Whether it does exist or not - it won't impact existence of the planet, much like absence of life on the Moon doesn't make it go away.

We did? Where is it?
Do you risk to be killed by random thugs when you go out of home? Do you risk to die because of the simple cold? Do you risk to die in the random war started by your king? Do you risk to be executed for heresy or blasphemy? Do you risk to die due to the hunger? Do you risk to die due to the cold winter?

If you live in a modern city in a modern conditions, none of those things are likely to happen in contrast to just 150 years ago.

Of course, it is not how things are on the whole planet, but most of the Western world is safer than before. Saying that nothing had changed is outright ignorant and foolish.

I suggest you read more about lives of our ancestors. And in general you should read more.

I'm not even offended or bothered by your words because it's clear you're misunderstanding me, either by accident or - what seems more likely - on purpose. I'm not saying everything is meaningless and should die, I'm saying such and such is what brought us to this point and will likely wipe us out for good. Yes, I've been comparing humans to a cancer, but I'm not about to kill myself or others over that. It's just a simple statement of facts.
Than you are an edgy hypocrite.
And none of your "facts" are "facts". Just a personal ignorant opinion.

What it all boils down to is this: is your immune system sentient? Can you converse with it? Does it have culture, or works of art, or compassion, or love, or whatever? Does it have tiny microscopic André Rieus directing waltzes in it, or miniature Banksys leaving graffiti on your stomach lining? Or does it just exist and do its thing? While the planet is most certainly not sentient (again, AFAWK), it's quite clear that it's a living thing with an immune system like yours and mine. It's not sentient but it's certainly active. If it finds something it deems an illness, it'll work overtime to dispose of it. Sometimes it'll overheat, causing a fever. Sometimes it'll send out antibodies to quell the infection. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

Point is, it doesn't have to be sentient to want us gone.
********. Simple and ignorant ********.
Saying that something "wants" us gone and then stating "it doesn't have sentience" is hypocritical statement in itself. But this is not the main problem.

Saying that those viruses exists because planet want us gone is as dumb as saying that humans were created by sky grandpa on a cloud.

Viruses mutate at random, when they have favorable conditions for it. Nothing more. This particular virus mutated far enough to jump on the humans, much like dozen of viruses throughout the history of humanity and life in general.
By this logic HIV, which existed in apes for 10k years, is a result of planet being dissatisfied with apes.

But wait! It is not sentient, it can't be dissatisfied! It's just...mmmm...tries to kill something, but not with malicious intent, because, malicious intent suggests cognitive ability and intelligence and Earth certainly has no such thing...except it is still wants us gone...

Whatever.
It all boils down to the simple FACT that your position is illogical and nonsensical.

Oh, yes, our achievements. Like nuclear bombs, which most people in the world spent half the last century in deathly terror of, and many of us still do because the threat isn't really gone. Like money, which led to greed, which led to wet markets that have already spawned a handful of viruses like this latest one. It's not even the first China virus to go on a world tour, as it were. Every action has a reaction. For every one of our achievements, there's at least one possible cause for our extinction lying in wait, and we paved the way for it. So assuming the virus doesn't wipe our species out, there's always the next one to come out of China or some other Third World country thanks to air travel and globalization and a general contempt for borders, and even if they don't get us, the nukes probably will. Or the climate change we let China and India exacerbate. Yes indeed, such a safe environment... :roll:
Nuclear energy, computers and space programs all which made our lives more comfortable and safe are apparently nothing in your world. Despite the fact that you are arguing with me using all of those non-achievements. And I bet, all of them made your life much easier.

But such is a nature of hypocrites - this is the same people who deny medicine, believing in prayers, but never forget to go to the doctor.

Viruses are something beyond control of humans.
Climate Change is not a disaster and it certainly won't kill everything alive on the planet on the next 20 years, despite what autistic Greta The Bug might preach.

I dunno. Show me some and we'll talk.
I've shown you it.
You are too "mystical minded" to believe it. And a rampant hypocrite to boot.

Perhaps maybe do some research that Virus's originate from within your own cells (which have become toxic in your body as the virus is an actual cleansing. Along a with weaken immune system and vitamin deficiency) or also through actually being injected with a virus (like a flu vaccine which contains a live flu strain in it,along with toxic substances like mercury,allumininum,thirmerosal etc). Tom Barnett (among many others telling the truth) lays it out perfectly. You cannot catch a virus, especially airborne. It's time for people to wake the hell up instead of buying into this pandemic HOAX.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/280.jpg

[ChosenOne]

Alright, now I know we're being collectively trolled. Alas.

[CyberCubed]

It's time for people to wake the hell up instead of buying into this pandemic HOAX.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/061/664/1275937249093s.jpg

I guess you can tell that to the 110,000+ people who died so far and would have been alive right now had the virus never existed.

Seriously wtf.

[ChosenOne]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/061/664/1275937249093s.jpg

I guess you can tell that to the 110,000+ people who died so far and would have been alive right now had the virus never existed.

Seriously wtf.

Hush now, they're not really dead, just hiding. It's all a hoax, dontcha know? :roll:

Sad to see such a difficult time for everyone everywhere bring so many extremist and immature people out of the woodwork.

[Jester]

This is why we can't have...threads about global pandemics