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The Deadman
04-07-2020, 07:59 PM
We all know that movie theaters have been hurting since they were forced to close down over the coronavirus pandemic. There was also a fear that some movie theaters might not be able to make it out of this alive. It looks like one of the big movie theater chains is sweating it, and according to The Wrap, they are unlikely to survive.
It’s reported that AMC Entertainment's credit rating has been downgraded from a 'B' to 'CCC-,' and what that means is that "Default imminent, with little prospect for recovery." Analyst S&P Global confirms:
"We expect AMC Entertainment Holdings Inc.’s (AMC) theaters will remain closed beyond June due to the impact of the global coronavirus pandemic. We do not believe AMC has sufficient sources of liquidity to cover its expected negative cash flows past mid-summer."
AMC is in major debut as it reported a $5+ billion deficit at the end of 2019 and losses of $149 million. The analysts continued:
"While unlikely, we could raise the rating if AMC were able to secure additional liquidity without further burdening its capital structure and if we expected the company would be able to generate substantial cash flow in 2021. This would likely require conclusive knowledge about the length of the theater closures and a view that the box office would return to normalized levels in 2021."
https://geektyrant.com/news/amc-theaters-unlikely-to-survive-the-movie-theater-shut-down
Coola Yagami
04-07-2020, 09:16 PM
I wonder why. People would be flocking to theaters once everyone is allowed to go back outside again.
From a human perspective, it's ashame because there are jobs at play. But also consider that there are more P/T "High School" jobs at AMC than there are people paying mortgages by working there.
With that said, from a competitive stand point, AMC deserves to die on the vine anyway. The chain has been surpassed completely by other theaters such as Brew 'n Views (like Studio Movie Grill) or successful local theaters that offer food and enhanced theater rooms like Naperville, IL's Hollywood Palms which has each showroom decorated according to a theme (i.e., one room is Egyptian with a life sized ark of the covenant while another has life sized Iron Man, Batman, etc).
The point is that AMC was dying from their business practices and pricing. I'd expect the current climate could hasten the process, but that chain was being selected out by movie goers through voting dollars anyway.
ranger_scout
04-08-2020, 05:13 PM
Actually the company has been having some really good days at the Stock Market this week. Monday was especially GREAT.
Showbiz Stocks Surge From Theater Chains To Broadcasters On Glimmer Of Market Hope Pandemic Is Running Its Course (https://deadline.com/2020/04/showbiz-stocks-surge-theater-chains-to-broadcasters-market-hope-pandemic-running-course-1202901430/)
I also read this yesterday.
AMC Theatres Bankruptcy Rumors Grow, But That Move Wouldn’t Be The End Of The Chain Or The Biz (https://deadline.com/2020/04/amc-theatres-bankruptcy-coronavirus-box-office-exhibition-1202902893/)
Actually the company has been having some really good days at the Stock Market this week. Monday was especially GREAT.
Showbiz Stocks Surge From Theater Chains To Broadcasters On Glimmer Of Market Hope Pandemic Is Running Its Course (https://deadline.com/2020/04/showbiz-stocks-surge-theater-chains-to-broadcasters-market-hope-pandemic-running-course-1202901430/)
I also read this yesterday.
AMC Theatres Bankruptcy Rumors Grow, But That Move Wouldn’t Be The End Of The Chain Or The Biz (https://deadline.com/2020/04/amc-theatres-bankruptcy-coronavirus-box-office-exhibition-1202902893/)
Actually? :roll: Context is king, dude. Jesus, did you even read your article?
wouldn’t be shocked if AMC files Chapter 11 in the near future, that’s not necessarily a scarlet letter for the biggest theater chain in the world. Rather it’s the best thing that could happen for AMC which is saddled with $4.9 billion debt and currently valued at $327.3M.
AMC sucks. The main point of the article isn't that it's doing well... hahaha Jesus. It's that AMC could benefit from their inevitable bankruptcy through restructuring, which is a function of bankruptcy. Your cited source also actually says that the death of AMC isn't also the death of theaters, which is actually also what I said above. That article basically says that AMC inevitable downsizing might help the company. Which is true of any company dying on the vine.
And as for your first article, lmao again :roll:. Dude, having a whopping 25% increase isn't that hard when your share price is only $3.30 a share..
Actually...
:lol::roll:
TigerClaw
04-08-2020, 07:39 PM
I really hope they don't shut down completely. I been going to this same theater for many many years. I would hate to lose it since its the only theater that was close enough.
raph27
04-09-2020, 01:24 PM
Personally I wouldn't mind this, as long as it doesn't mean theaters tanking overall. I've never liked AMC for a multitude of nitpicky reasons, they're my least favorite theater chain.
Unfortunately, if they're going away then I fear for the rest of the bunch.
Coola Yagami
04-11-2020, 04:29 PM
Oddly enough I never particularly cared for like a specific theater per say. I'm in it for the movie, the food and the chance to hang out with the gang. Sure, some theaters might have reclining seats or other might offer unlimited popcorn, but in the end the only factor for me is convenience of location, not so much the actual name of the theater chain.
TigerClaw
04-11-2020, 05:26 PM
The theater I been going to went through different owners.
It started out as United Artist Theater, Then became Muvico Theater, Then got owned by Carmike Cinema. Then Carmike Cinema got bought by AMC Theaters.
ranger_scout
04-17-2020, 10:24 AM
The company's shares are now showing a spike following plans to reopen the economy.
AMC Issues $500M In Debt To Stay Liquid; Shares Spike On U.S. Reopening Plan (https://deadline.com/2020/04/amc-issues-500m-in-debt-to-stay-liquid-shares-spike-on-u-s-reopening-plan-1202910780/)
ranger_scout
05-27-2020, 10:12 AM
The company has now been upgraded from "Sell" to "Neutral". Plus, "Bankruptcy risk appears to have subsided.”
https://deadline.com/2020/05/amc-entertainment-upgraded-from-sell-to-neutral-by-exhibition-analyst-bankruptcy-risk-appears-to-have-subsided-1202944170/
AMC shares were at a low of a buck ninety five, but are now hovering at 5.35. It's great that their leadership actually developed a plan, but their share price bounced on the fact that an investing group put all sorts of money into the company - which is good.
But surviving the fallout after being saved by investors and credit deals is different then surviving by market competition. It's impressive that they bought themselves maybe two to three years, but I'm most interested in seeing if they can do big things to make AMC a theater where people want to be again.
Unfortunately, if they're going away then I fear for the rest of the bunch.
Nah, you don't have to worry. The resurgence of "novelty theaters" that offer real menus and dinner with leather recliners and other amenities have kept the theater experience fresh. AMC needs to adapt now that they've taken in investor money.
Andrew NDB
05-27-2020, 06:01 PM
SOME of the AMCs out here have the leather recliners, at least.
Regal? They all have those. And a ridiculously large menu of food.
ranger_scout
07-09-2020, 03:47 PM
They could certainly use this during these times.
AMC Entertainment Nears Debt Deal That Would Ensure Solvency Into Early Next Year (https://deadline.com/2020/07/amc-entertainment-debt-deal-solvency-early-next-year-1202981933/)
ranger_scout
08-03-2020, 07:38 PM
They just completed their debt restructuring.
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/amc-entertainment-completes-debt-restructuring/
ssjup81
08-04-2020, 03:20 PM
I feel bad for the theaters, mainly because of the jobs people are losing because of them. I know I personally would rather go to a theater to watch a movie than to sit at home and watch one, unless it's an older film...not something newly released that I may have an interest in. I like the atmosphere of the theater, but I also feel that I'm in the minority in that regard who still prefers this medium of entertainment.
I generally don't buy the snacks, though since I usually do dinner and a movie. So I'd get something to eat either before or after the movie (usually after). I might get a drink or something, though.
Wish everything could go back to semi-normal at least across the board. I miss seeing movies in an actual theater and sad that Ghostbusters was pushed back along with other films I had an interest in seeing.
Andrew NDB
08-04-2020, 04:43 PM
Don't worry, it will all go away after the election.
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
08-04-2020, 04:54 PM
Don't worry, it will all go away after the election.
:tlol: Yeah, pretty much. Every 4 years SOMETHING hits the fan.
Papenbrook
08-07-2020, 11:47 AM
Well, it looks like AMC could be bought off pretty soon. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2020/08/paramount-consent-decrees-justice-department-2-1203007221/amp/)
ranger_scout
10-13-2020, 11:12 AM
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/2a/12/312a128a2309101f727d05be9c500b05.gif
AMC Theatres Could Run Out of Cash by the End of 2020, Early 2021 (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/amc-theatres-cash-covid-coronavirus-1234802453/)
The current model has been horrible, hope theaters die and something that makes sense for the 2020s takes over.
ranger_scout
10-13-2020, 11:49 AM
The current model has been horrible, hope theaters die and something that makes sense for the 2020s takes over.
My best friends & I live miles away from each other. The theaters have always been more convenient places to meet at than our houses.
The current model has been horrible, hope theaters die and something that makes sense for the 2020s takes over.
I think that evolution already began about ten years ago as traditional theaters like AMC have been dying a slow death for years. They get propped up for another round with seasonal injections from big releases and spillover from other sold out theaters, but they've been trending down against brew 'n views from free market choice for a long time.
If I had to guess the theaters that will be left standing will be the mom and pop brew 'n views that have custom rooms, attractions and food. A rare turn of events where smaller entrepreneurs might surpass a corporate chain, but I'm all for it. Especially in the case of a place like AMC.
Andrew NDB
10-13-2020, 01:24 PM
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/2a/12/312a128a2309101f727d05be9c500b05.gif
AMC Theatres Could Run Out of Cash by the End of 2020, Early 2021 (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/amc-theatres-cash-covid-coronavirus-1234802453/)
Of course. Why wouldn't they? Studios have completely abandoned them and nobody is helping them out.
Yes, theaters have been dying for years, stuff like 3D movies, VIP etc have inflated prices of the box office but ticket numbers have been down for a long time now.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/12/disney-reorganizes-to-focus-on-streaming-direct-to-consumer.html
Disney is focusing on streaming for their future, cinemas will continue to be a niche product but I think that will also make them more special. I hope they come up with cool things to make it worhtwhile. Cheaper pricing, choose your own movie, a better experience, rent a whole room for a few friends, adapt, play whatever you want on their even your home made movies, I don't know.
The best part of COVID 19 is it accelerated the death of many dying industries and instigated the adoptance of new technologies.
CyberCubed
10-13-2020, 01:39 PM
I won't miss theaters.We're living in the digital age. Why do I have to go out to a crowded theater with screaming kids and noisy people commenting next to you on the film when you can watch from the quiet secluded area of your own home? Not to mention you can pause the movie if you have to go to the bathroom instead of holding it in or missing something if you have to run out to the bathroom.
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
10-13-2020, 02:35 PM
I won't miss theaters.We're living in the digital age. Why do I have to go out to a crowded theater with screaming kids and noisy people commenting next to you on the film when you can watch from the quiet secluded area of your own home? Not to mention you can pause the movie if you have to go to the bathroom instead of holding it in or missing something if you have to run out to the bathroom.
You mean to tell me you have a 30-foot screen in your NY apartment?
Watching Interstellar on a 72" flatscreen TV just does not compare.
You mean to tell me you have a 30-foot screen in your NY apartment?
If he has a VR headset then yes he can re-create that.
Leo656
10-13-2020, 03:33 PM
You mean to tell me you have a 30-foot screen in your NY apartment?
Watching Interstellar on a 72" flatscreen TV just does not compare.
Nerds and shut-ins apparently don't give a sh*t about stuff like that. Their preferred choice of movie-viewing experience is directly connected to how easily it allows them to avoid people. So of course they'd cheerlead for a bunch of things to shut down and tons of people to lose their jobs while in the long run providing an objectively worse and less-fun experience for everyone. What matters is that they get to watch stuff on the toilet at 1.5 speed or hit the pause button to go drunkenly masturbate.
Truly, a future worth aiming for.
Here were the tendencies before the pandemic started:
https://www.whitehutchinson.com/images/2019/20190226img30.png
https://i.imgur.com/YbKItNq.png
Movie theaters will continue to exist in one way or another but the traditional cinema experience has outlasted its appeal for the majority of consumers. Boomers can yell at clouds tho.
ranger_scout
10-13-2020, 08:49 PM
Chapek said Disney wants to “make sure we continue to give” consumers the option of watching films in theaters. “But at the same time, there’s a lot of consumers that want to experience movies in the safety, comfort, and convenience of their own home,” he said.
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/disney-pivots-to-streaming-as-ceo-says-films-and-tv-go-wherever-they-earn-the-most-1234592280/
Still:
https://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Alice-Crying-In-Wonderland-Gif.gif
Then there's this.
AMC Entertainment May File For Bankruptcy For Real As Reopening Stalls (https://deadline.com/2020/10/cinema-stocks-teeter-wall-street-ponders-possible-amc-entertainment-bankruptcy-1234596738/)
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AntiqueCluelessBirdofparadise-size_restricted.gif
Here were the tendencies before the pandemic started:
https://www.whitehutchinson.com/images/2019/20190226img30.png
https://i.imgur.com/YbKItNq.png
Movie theaters will continue to exist in one way or another but the traditional cinema experience has outlasted its appeal for the majority of consumers. Boomers can yell at clouds tho.
The man comes through with a visual aid to what I said in #23! Bam! My man!
You mean to tell me you have a 30-foot screen in your NY apartment?
Watching Interstellar on a 72" flatscreen TV just does not compare.
Sure it does - if the room is in proper proportion to the selected T.V. size. And the truth is that while I'm a movie nerd and love the theater, I've never seen a theater screen as well calibrated and finely detailed as my T.V. at home. There's always a translation error in the theater - a sizing issue that removes some fine detail, a brightness calibration issue, an expensive sound system that has no effect in the theater for some reason. Now if theaters widely did their job and kept their **** calibrated then it would be different. But they don't do it. They just pump out showings for the cash grab without pride in their art. And blanket statement or not I'd say that's like... seriously man, like 99% of theaters out there.
ranger_scout
10-13-2020, 10:15 PM
This might be its only saving grace right now.
Could Universal-AMC’s Early VOD Deal End Up Helping Struggling Theaters? (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/universal-amc-deal-theaters-pandemic-1234801134/)
Actually it would be one helluva power play if AMC abandoned theaters and suddenly came out as some kind of absolute game changer streaming service.....
That's what I would propose if I were on the board there.
Andrew NDB
10-13-2020, 11:49 PM
If I was AMC I would completely liquidate all assets and build a bunch of mask-making and hand sanitizer factories. For all the fear virtue people. That's where the only money is now -- selling people back their own fear.
Wildcat
10-14-2020, 02:24 AM
I'm just curious. I don't know how often you normally go to the theater but if they were operating as normal with release dates unchanged were you gonna go see all these movies during all this?
I've mentioned I hardly go to the theater. It has to be something I absolutely need to see. Like I said I don't mind wearing masks but having to be extra careful just for a movie is not worth it imo.
I mean aside from the risk of getting sick its just too much work and defeats the purpose of enjoying a movie is what I'm saying.
I would not have gone to see Sonic under this situation or Ghostbusters.
Andrew NDB
10-14-2020, 02:49 AM
I'd go to the theaters weekly, bi-weekly. Longer if no good movies playing.
No problem going to the theater now. I'm willing to trust that the theaters are taking reasonable measures to be "safe." Now, I'm aware not everyone would do this... what I'm suggesting is that when a movie comes out, some combination of maybe exclusive release in the theaters that are open now for 3 weeks (incenticizing reopenings), THEN on week 4 the Mulan VOD model. Everybody wins.
Allio
10-14-2020, 03:18 AM
cancelled my A-List so I'm not missing much.
Wildcat
10-14-2020, 03:38 AM
AndrewNDB,
Quicker VOD release would be a good way to ease things back to normal but like you said not all studios want to do that because it probably does lose some profit. $20 for a temporary rental is a lot. In theaters people are mostly paying for the novelty of a giant screen and the experience. Movies already hit home release faster than they used to.
I appreciate the extra measures businesses are taking but let’s be realistic about this part. Nobody can keep up this level sanitation 100% of the time. Too many people and things to account for and some don’t care to be begin with. Even when things are normal many public places do not get the attention they need. Public restrooms especially.
Stuff like theaters where people often leave junk and massive theme parks would need an army of sanitation people following everyone around. It’s just not humanly possible to meet this level of demand for these kinds of places.
At most I’d say it’s probably 50% effective. Which is good and should continue but not enough to return to normal activity.
Andrew NDB
10-14-2020, 04:01 AM
Quicker VOD release would be a good way to ease things back to normal but like you said not all studios want to do that because it probably does lose some profit. $20 for a temporary rental is a lot.
Not "some profit." There really isn't anything to suggest that the Mulan model was even profitable at all. As soon as a movie is released digitally (whether it is VOD, Netflix, CBS On Demand)... an hour later it is on every pirating torrent site out there. I'd be surprised if Mulan made even 15% of what it would have made if it came out in theaters in February.
What I'm saying is that at least if there's some exclusivity with the theaters for a while, there's the money to be had. Before going VOD where many good people will pay the $20 or whatever to rent or "own" it.... but many more will not. They will be on Piratebay.
Public restrooms
Well. I may not be afraid of the virus... but I'm not stupid, either. I'll make sure I can hold it. And maybe not get the jumbo pop for a while.
Stuff like theaters where people often leave junk and massive theme parks would need an army of sanitation people following everyone around. It’s just not humanly possible to meet this level of demand for these kinds of places.
Of course it is. And it's happening everyday in theaters. Maybe it takes them an hour to clean a theater between showings instead of 30 minutes... so what?
Also, total number of cases of COVID stemming from theaters? 0. Not even 1.
Wildcat
10-14-2020, 04:25 AM
Not "some profit." There really isn't anything to suggest that the Mulan model was even profitable at all. As soon as a movie is released digitally (whether it is VOD, Netflix, CBS On Demand)... an hour later it is on every pirating torrent site out there. I'd be surprised if Mulan made even 15% of what it would have made if it came out in theaters in February.
What I'm saying is that at least if there's some exclusivity with the theaters for a while, there's the money to be had. Before going VOD where many good people will pay the $20 or whatever to rent or "own" it.... but many more will not. They will be on Piratebay.Actually you’re probably right about pirating. I have no idea how Mulan is doing or other straight to VOD movies but the delays do make the most sense from the financial standpoint.
Well. I may not be afraid of the virus... but I'm not stupid, either. I'll make sure I can hold it. And maybe not get the jumbo pop for a while.
Of course it is. And it's happening everyday in theaters. Maybe it takes them an hour to clean a theater between showings instead of 30 minutes... so what?My point was just like with masks it’s not a guarantee. So why put yourself out anymore than you need? But you said you’re not afraid of getting it. I would not enjoy a movie having to take extra precautions on top of the risk. Not for something totally optional.
Also, total number of cases of COVID stemming from theaters? 0. Not even 1.How can anyone know that? It’s impossible. You can’t track where someone gets infected. Not even the flu. It’s just around.
You can bet studio's already took a look at how much it would cost to release movies in theaters and streaming simultaneously or 2/4 weeks after. Only they have the data but I'm sure they've been trying to see every alternative possible and crunch numbers to see what is worth their time investing their resources on for the greatest profit. If they're delaying and releasing on streaming it's because it seems to be the best model they've found so far, they've experimented with a few different ones. Disney did not seem to like the Mulan model but it seemed to work for Trolls 2, how is Tenet doing?
ssjup81
10-14-2020, 08:59 AM
I'm just curious. I don't know how often you normally go to the theater but if they were operating as normal with release dates unchanged were you gonna go see all these movies during all this?For the films I had an interest in for this year...
Quiet Place 2
Ghostbusters: Afterlife
Mulan
The Batman (Was surprisingly curious about this one)
Godzilla vs Kong
Thor: Love & Thunder
...I was planning on seeing them in the theater. I just like going to the movie theater for the most part. I like the atmosphere, ambiance, and novelty of it. I generally do dinner and a movie...but I will admit that I do dislike going by myself. I like to share the experience. Watching movies at home, just doesn't appeal to me. I only watch a movie at home if I was unable to see it theaters (and even then, I'd have to will myself to do so or either watching a film I've already seen with someone who hasn't) or if it's something I wouldn't be able to see in theaters regardless because they wouldn't get a release here in the states (junk from Japan mostly). Even with these two stipulations, I have to be in a mood to sit through a movie which had a theatrical release at home.
Those aren't many films, but I definitely planned on seeing them. Another film is escaping me at the moment that was released earlier this year round about the time the theaters were starting to close up...but I can't recall it. It was a scary film and I did want to see it.
Knowing what I know about Mulan now, though...I would've been disappointed if I'd actually bought a ticket to see it. I like to try to see a film opening weekend. So yeah, I probably would have gone to see these, especially Ghostbusters: Afterlife and Quiet Place 2.
CyberCubed
10-14-2020, 09:35 AM
Ironically enough the last movie I saw in theaters was Stars Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. The fact that Episode 9 is my last movie experience should say enough that I don't mind if things go digital day-one going forward.
Leo656
10-14-2020, 09:57 AM
Patty Jenkins made a good point recently in mentioning how "dinner and a movie" is the most popular staple for couples on dates or a family night out. And how the entire "experience" of it is why people engage in it and how losing that would be awful. Throwing some fish sticks in the toaster oven and throwing something on TV does NOT compare to a night of Red Lobster and a movie on the big screen. My wife and I sure miss date nights. Most of our friends with partners/families, too.
"Mean" as it may sound, I can't help but notice that most of the people who are not concerned or even looking forward to the end of theaters and other social activites because "Who needs 'em? Just stay home!" are frankly people who were never gonna be going on any dates or having a family in the first place. Like okay, guys, enjoy the view from under your rock, some people actually like going out and doing things. If their parents had the same "just be a hermit, it's the future" attitude then they wouldn't have even been born.
Sorry that people picked on ya's in school and now you've grown up maladjusted and wanting to shun all humanity because you're afraid of people's taunts even as a grown-ass adult, but most human beings are still creatures who long for communal social activities. Movie theaters. Concerts. Theme parks. Restaurants. Etc. etc. "I have no friends and I hate leaving my house. I want the whole world to revolve around me because I'm afraid of people even more than I am of getting sick." It's all very transparent.
I've said this long before anyone unleashed a plague: A society of pasty, antisocial shut-ins isn't the model we should be rushing headlong to embrace. Just because it's being temporarily forced upon us doesn't mean it should stay that way or that we should be happy about it.
newfan
10-14-2020, 10:01 AM
I think the last time I went to the theatre it was to see the Sonic movie, think it was only about a month or so before things closed down. I'll be happy when I can resume going again.
I noticed a difference in Price for Mulan compared to other digitally released movies, I'm sure I saw some come up for rent at like £18.99 or something and then Mulan was supposed to be something like £28, I think.. don't have Disney Plus. Cinema tickets are standard unless there are special offers regardless of being considered a bigger movie or not. Not paying Mulan's price to sit and watch on my tv. (Its now a little cheaper on Sky TV but I don't really care)
Sumac
10-14-2020, 12:37 PM
I don't go to movie theatres myself, since I don't like to watch movies in a crowd, but it was interesting to see news about premiers and subsequent numbers of boxoffice.
It certainly will be missed, if theatres would go away completely. Though I hope, as soon as this **** is over, they will return in some way shape or form.
I've heard drive-by-theatres are getting popular again?
Leo656
10-14-2020, 12:50 PM
I'm not surprised, outdoor events are doing somewhat well just in general. We got about 160 for our show on Saturday. Our "esteemed competitors" down in South NJ did about 200 on the same night. There were other wrestling shows in NJ on the same day that all did alright. People are dying to go out and do things again.
I get that people feel "more safe" in the open air than indoors for the time being. But I also see a lot of things that poke holes in that. If you can spend an hour or more in a Walmart, you can safely spend two inside a theater. That's the way I look at it. I doubt one is altogether more fastidiously maintained than the other and you're exposed to a lot more people in Walmart. And nobody in Walmart is following you around with a spray bottle full of sanitizer, they're doing the absolute bare minimum to be "compliant". And everybody is still Fine.
Like Andrew said, stagger the seating and triple-down on hand sanitizer, and a movie theater is just as "safe" if not more so than anything else is right now. We don't need to open up a stampede but it's time to start gradually lifting the veil or else things are never going back to normal.
I actually went out to eat at a diner on Saturday for the very first time since this whole ordeal started. Boy, was that a revelation by itself.
We can manage. Fear of lawsuits is what's crippling things from getting back on track, more than anything. As usual.
AquaParade
10-14-2020, 01:11 PM
Anyone remember the trailer for Suburban Commando? Of course you all do, look where I'm at.
"What are ya' nuts? This is the 90's. We're gonna sue ya."
https://youtu.be/7zlvyiB6_2w
Leo656
10-14-2020, 01:19 PM
:lol: That's actually not a terrible Hulk Hogan movie.
It's no "Assault on Devil's Island", nor is it even "Hunt The Death Merchant." But it's also no "Mr. Nanny".
Andrew NDB
10-14-2020, 04:12 PM
The Batman (Was surprisingly curious about this one)
Thor: Love & Thunder
These weren't movies ever scheduled for 2020. In fact, I don't think the latter was even set to film yet, COVID fears or not.
Jester
10-14-2020, 04:30 PM
Bring Back Drive-ins!
Andrew NDB
10-14-2020, 04:32 PM
Bring Back Drive-ins!
There's still a handful out there but, like regular movie theaters... kind of once they're gone, they're gone.
Wildcat
10-15-2020, 12:22 AM
For the films I had an interest in for this year...
Quiet Place 2
Ghostbusters: Afterlife
Mulan
The Batman (Was surprisingly curious about this one)
Godzilla vs Kong
Thor: Love & Thunder
...I was planning on seeing them in the theater. I just like going to the movie theater for the most part. I like the atmosphere, ambiance, and novelty of it. I generally do dinner and a movie...but I will admit that I do dislike going by myself. I like to share the experience. Watching movies at home, just doesn't appeal to me. I only watch a movie at home if I was unable to see it theaters (and even then, I'd have to will myself to do so or either watching a film I've already seen with someone who hasn't) or if it's something I wouldn't be able to see in theaters regardless because they wouldn't get a release here in the states (junk from Japan mostly). Even with these two stipulations, I have to be in a mood to sit through a movie which had a theatrical release at home.
Those aren't many films, but I definitely planned on seeing them. Another film is escaping me at the moment that was released earlier this year round about the time the theaters were starting to close up...but I can't recall it. It was a scary film and I did want to see it.
Knowing what I know about Mulan now, though...I would've been disappointed if I'd actually bought a ticket to see it. I like to try to see a film opening weekend. So yeah, I probably would have gone to see these, especially Ghostbusters: Afterlife and Quiet Place 2.So are you not into Blu-ray/DVDs? I mean you don’t watch reruns of your favorites from time to time?
I wanted to see Ghostbusters 3. That was the only movie I wanted to go to the rest of the year. The last 2 movies I saw in theaters were Sonic and Ghostbusters 2016.
There’s plenty of movies I would like to see but I usually end up waiting for home release. It has to be something special for me to go out. It took 20+ years for another GB and then this proper sequel and I’ve always wanted Sonic.
March is not that far away. I doubt there will be a significant improvement by then. I would move GB3 to at least October. Not sure what it would be competing with but it would give more time and it fits well with Halloween.
CyberCubed
10-15-2020, 08:16 AM
I realize outside of my very favorite movies/shows, I only need to see a movie once every 10 years before I go back to it.
Buying blu-rays is kind of a waste when you realize you'll probably only watch it once, maybe twice, and then it'll just sit on your shelf collecting dust for about a decade before you revisit it. Most of us learned this lesson with our old DVD collections in the early 2000's...I bought SO MUCH DVDs back when they were new and wasted so much money. Again outside of my very favorite shows/movies, I only ever watched through them once or twice.
Of course it's different for each person, some movies I can watch 100+ times and never get bored. But for everything else...maybe once a decade is fine.
Coola Yagami
10-15-2020, 12:22 PM
Nothing beats dinner and a movie (though we always did dinner after), and while I'm currently single I had my little geek crew I would go see movies with. We'd be literally counting the days to 'insert next Marvel or DC movie here' and plan around it. I actually felt honored that I flew out of town to view End Game to see it with my bro and my buddy (it was like to be symbolic, I saw Iron Man with my bro so let's see End Game together) that my geek crew back home, despite the excitement of End Game, actually WAITED for me to return cause it just wouldn't be the same seeing it without me.
Then what really sucked is I found myself a new crew and we watched Sonic together and had CoVid not hit, we woulda seen Onward together, and by now so many months have passed some of my buddies have moved out of town so I pretty much lost my new group of friends.
So **** CoVid and yes I agree, you just can't beat dinner and a movie if not with family, then with friends. And believe me, I get it. I'm also an introvert and my friends are introverts, we're not the type to just hang out with anyone so these little nerd crews mean a lot to us.
So just because you're a hermit and would rather seclude yourself to streaming and whatnot don't forget a lot of us actually have friends that like to leave the house at least for a few special occasions.
I realize outside of my very favorite movies/shows, I only need to see a movie once every 10 years before I go back to it.
If you remove the times where I put a movie in as a sort of background noise, this post made me consider that I'm much the same. Maybe not 10 years on most of my favorites, but.... years definitely.
CyberCubed
10-15-2020, 12:53 PM
The reason I mention about 10 years is because a lot of movies I hadn't watched since the early 2000's (like between the years of 2000-2006, etc), and well we're now more than 10 years after that and I hadn't rewatch them but a few since.
I mean when you stop to realize 2005 is now 15 years ago and some of us may not have rewatched movies or shows since then, it really makes you realize.
The reason I mention about 10 years is because a lot of movies I hadn't watched since the early 2000's (like between the years of 2000-2006, etc), and well we're now more than 10 years after that and I hadn't rewatch them but a few since.
I mean when you stop to realize 2005 is now 15 years ago and some of us may not have rewatched movies or shows since then, it really makes you realize.
Yeah exactly. And I think that part of my epiphany about this was how it becomes easier when you realize that you had only watched a movie a time or two in between the format changes. Or when you look back on it and realize that you only watched a favorite flick once or twice on DVD and then realize you hadn't watched it for years when it's released on Blu Ray and sort of gives you a marker on the time.
Jester
10-15-2020, 01:50 PM
I realize outside of my very favorite movies/shows, I only need to see a movie once every 10 years before I go back to it.
Buying blu-rays is kind of a waste when you realize you'll probably only watch it once, maybe twice, and then it'll just sit on your shelf collecting dust for about a decade before you revisit it. Most of us learned this lesson with our old DVD collections in the early 2000's...I bought SO MUCH DVDs back when they were new and wasted so much money. Again outside of my very favorite shows/movies, I only ever watched through them once or twice.
Of course it's different for each person, some movies I can watch 100+ times and never get bored. But for everything else...maybe once a decade is fine.
I've recently converted all of my DVDs (or at least the ones I could) to ISOs and have them stored on a hard drive. So now the physical DVDs are most certainly collecting dust as they are all digital now. But I kept most of them just in case...you never know what might happen.
ranger_scout
10-17-2020, 12:03 PM
This will definitely help and maybe this will guarantee Wonder Woman 1984 making it to the big screen.
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/andrew-cuomo-movie-theaters-open-outside-nyc-1234808492/
Andrew NDB
10-17-2020, 10:29 PM
This will definitely help and maybe this will guarantee Wonder Woman 1984 making it to the big screen.
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/andrew-cuomo-movie-theaters-open-outside-nyc-1234808492/
Good to see, but that's not really a big deal. Basically some theaters in New York can reopen at 25% capacity... but not IN New York City. And without the support of studios, who are holding back all of their movies for years, why even bother reopening at all? What's the incentive?
CyberCubed
10-17-2020, 10:44 PM
It's only a matter of time until we hear Wonder Woman is delayed till April/May of next year.
Andrew NDB
10-17-2020, 10:54 PM
It's only a matter of time until we hear Wonder Woman is delayed till April/May of next year.
Probably April/May of 2022. Stay safe, everybody!
Wildcat
10-18-2020, 02:10 AM
That’s not fair. Besides the virus they want the movies to do well. We’ve been through this. Makes no sense for studios to release their big titles when significantly less people are going to theaters...for whatever reason.
Serious question. You really want movies to be released when theaters are closed or don’t have enough customers? No promotion or limited release will suddenly convince people to go.
We keep using GB3 as an example but it’s a good one. It might get delayed again or not but given the history it deserves the best chance. I’m sure it would have done fine in general but I want it to do well. JW Dominion too.
After being on/off over 20 years, cast issues and a reboot that divided everyone...you cannot seriously still have wanted it to be released in such crappy circumstances.
Roseangelo
10-18-2020, 02:30 AM
The problem is that it's going to be a very long time before crowds return to theaters at pre-COVID levels. I think a studio would have to be willing to sit on a title for two years if they are determined to get those numbers.
And when you have superhero titles that part of a series with other movies waiting to come after, you are pushing back all of those, too.
Considering how little production is happening right now, the studios can't wait two years on everything that's in the can. So they're going to have to make compromises and sacrifices. I think they are probably still trying to be hopeful that things can start to move soon, but I think they'll have to admit to the longterm reality by the end of the year.
The governor of CA has F-ed over my county, pretty much guaranteeing that indoor activities like movies, dining, and gyms won't be allowed anytime in the near future.
Andrew NDB
10-18-2020, 02:33 AM
The problem is that it's going to be a very long time before crowds return to theaters at pre-COVID levels. I think a studio would have to be willing to sit on a title for two years if they are determined to get those numbers.
My thing is, while I know a good portion will not... they need to be given the chance to see if a significant portion will. I guarantee at least half will.
The governor of CA has F-ed over my county, pretty much guaranteeing that indoor activities like movies, dining, and gyms won't be allowed anytime in the near future.
I hear nothing but terrible things about CA. Every day.
CyberCubed
10-18-2020, 10:34 AM
Crazy to think after all this time the only movies that did get digital or theater releases instead of being delayed to next year were Bill and Ted, Mulan, and Tenet. That was it as far as I remember, everything else for the rest of the year was delayed till 2021.
As seen with those 3 movies, there's no reason to hold everything back.
Leo656
10-18-2020, 10:20 PM
The "best" thing about Wonder Woman 1984 is that it was done and could have been released last year. WB got greedy and decided to hold it back, polish the CGI a little bit and figured they'd make more money in 2020.
Now, no matter WHAT Patty Jenkins says, they're eventually gonna have no choice but to shotgun it onto the internet "for free" and take a billion-dollar bath on the entire project. :lol: Which is probably going to mean no more DC films after "The Batman" for a very long time if ever, period. NOTHING that they haven't already started filming is ever coming out, end of story. $200-million comic book movies are done, finished, ancient history. At least for the next 10 years.
They got greedy on Wonder Woman and essentially killed the entire DC films division as a result of it. As a DC fan, that sucks. As someone who's hated WB and their hubris and their sh*tty business practices for years and years... HAH. Bet they wish THEY had a time-traveling phone booth.
ranger_scout
10-19-2020, 11:15 AM
AMC and many other theater owners are of course "ecstatic" about the recent news. They are hoping that Manhattan will soon be re-openings as well.
https://deadline.com/2020/10/new-york-cinema-owners-ecstatic-state-reopening-scramble-to-staff-up-hope-manhattan-follows-soon-1234599422/
https://deadline.com/2020/10/amc-entertainment-opening-dozen-ny-theaters-ceo-adam-aron-increasingly-confident-nyc-is-not-far-away-1234599568/
AMC also has another strategy to make some money through private screenings.
https://ew.com/movies/amc-theater-rentals-99-dollars/
AquaParade
10-19-2020, 11:22 AM
The "best" thing about Wonder Woman 1984 is that it was done and could have been released last year. WB got greedy and decided to hold it back, polish the CGI a little bit and figured they'd make more money in 2020.
Now, no matter WHAT Patty Jenkins says, they're eventually gonna have no choice but to shotgun it onto the internet "for free" and take a billion-dollar bath on the entire project. :lol: Which is probably going to mean no more DC films after "The Batman" for a very long time if ever, period. NOTHING that they haven't already started filming is ever coming out, end of story. $200-million comic book movies are done, finished, ancient history. At least for the next 10 years.
They got greedy on Wonder Woman and essentially killed the entire DC films division as a result of it. As a DC fan, that sucks. As someone who's hated WB and their hubris and their sh*tty business practices for years and years... HAH. Bet they wish THEY had a time-traveling phone booth.
This is a bold prediction. I don't think you're crazy for making it, but I would bet against it. Despite the effects of Covid on the movie industry, I still believe the giant movie studios will find a way to put these blockbusters into theaters, beyond "The Batman". I do agree to the extent that budgets will have to go down. And the incentive is already there with the absolute bank they made from Joker.
I really do feel like either of our predictions could turn out right, but this is how I'd hedge my bet.
Leo656
10-19-2020, 12:19 PM
Well, we'll see. It's not like I'm ROOTING for that, goodness knows.
The money has to come from SOMEwhere, is all. So very often, entire movies (or franchises) get scrapped because some totally unrelated project by the same studio tanks. Movie projects get leveraged against the success or failure of other in-house projects ALL the time.
If you can't put your movie out in theaters, your movie can't make a profit because piracy is rampant. "Nobody" pays to watch movies online because "they don't have to, there's other ways". It sucks, but that's the reality. If theaters are all gone inside of the next two years... it's going to be a LONG time before movie studios figure out how to make money online. Especially given that HUGE chunks of the world don't even have broadband, a factor many people outright dismiss when cheerleading for an all-streaming future. Even a great deal of people who hypothetically would pay to watch movies on a streaming service simply wouldn't have a good way to do so because of where they live. These are going to be HUGE problems for movie studios to figure out, and they don't have a lot of time to figure out a solution. There's a very good chance that by the end of next year, movie theaters will be as dead as Toys R Us.
And if there's no profit incentive, then these movies simply won't get made.
I mean, they'll probably figure out how to to super-hero movies EVENTUALLY, but like I said, if theaters go away then I expect it to take about ten years for them to figure out how to do them and be profitable. In the 80s and 90s, you barely got any outside of Batman, and the reason was "They cost so much to make that we can't make anything back, it's just pointless." That's the exact reason there wasn't a Superman movie for almost 20 years. And that was in an era when there were a lot more theaters, and movies would play for up to a year instead of a month, and there weren't all these other ways you could watch a film. I mean, even NOW they haven't bothered with a Superman film for the same reason; "Too expensive, not enough guaranteed profit". Without theatrical release and box office receipts? Zero chance. Even if they had any idea what to do with the character, they would never make a movie unless they knew they could triple the budget in ticket sales, and they could never make that kind of movie cheap.
I mean, Joker was a financial success, sure, but you can't do EVERY movie like that. You can't do a Superman or X-Men movie like that. The one lesson "Superman IV" gave the world was, you can absolutely have your heart in the right place but if you can't back it up with lots and lots of money, it's better to just stay home and not bother even attempting.
Certain comic book films NEED to be a grand spectacle, and frankly, without box office receipts to carry them, I don't see how studios can manage to make those movies. It's going to take them a long time.
I always shoot conservative, that's why I said 10 years. But yeah, they'll find a way eventually, somehow. I just don't see it happening any sooner, IF theaters really do disappear. Where's the money gonna come from? Even they don't know. They've openly said, "Without theaters we can't make money."
But yeah, we'll see. I'm rooting for theaters to survive and this whole mess to be a distant memory come this time next year. But I doubt it very much.
Andrew NDB
10-20-2020, 09:20 PM
Just checked showtimes and... holy sh**. All of the AMC theaters are back here. Like, all of them. Playing Tenet, The New Mutants, all that stuff.
neatoman
10-20-2020, 09:30 PM
Just checked showtimes and... holy sh**. All of the AMC theaters are back here. Like, all of them. Playing Tenet, The New Mutants, all that stuff.
Are there restrictions on the seats? All of the Filmstaden theatres are open over here but they still restrict how many tickets they sell.
Andrew NDB
10-20-2020, 10:56 PM
Are there restrictions on the seats? All of the Filmstaden theatres are open over here but they still restrict how many tickets they sell.
Yeah, there's like 3 pages of restrictions when you go to Fandango and try to buy a ticket. Masks at all times unless you're eating or drinking, they clean the bathrooms every 30 minutes, they've installed new air filtration stuff, etc., etc..
Leo656
10-21-2020, 09:08 AM
Scientists in the U.K. are admitting that a vaccine is most likely years away AND won't "kill" the virus. It's with us and it's going to come and go in waves like the flu. And just like the flu, most likely anyone who's alive is going to have a brush with it eventually, it's simply not avoidable. That's exactly what they said. It's "The New Flu". We'll be dealing with it every cold and flu season forever and ever, and just like the flu, getting a shot for it won't be a Magic Fix. We're just gonna have to deal with it from now on.
Alright, then, time to adopt a "Don't be stupid, but otherwise back to normal" approach. No more lockdowns/shutdowns/mass hysteria. If it's inevitable that, like the flu, this is a permanent part of life and that, like the flu, people are going to die from it no matter WHAT we do or don't do, then let's get back to Business As Usual.
Wash your hands all the time because Don't Be A Slob. Don't cough on people. Basic hygiene that should have always been standard and taught and adopted since f*cking preschool, absolutely. Sucks that it takes "You might die/kill someone" to get people to not be disgusting slobs, but whatever it takes. Wear a mask if it makes you feel safe and pretend those viral microbes can't easily slip through the weaves of that fabric anytime they want. Basic caution and hygiene standards, just like when it's flu season. Sure.
Otherwise, Open Up. Bad enough some industries are dead and buried and most jobs are never coming back. We have to stop the bleeding. "This isn't ever going away" means no more mass hysteria, period. Nobody wants it, but we're all gonna get it at some point. No sense hiding under the bed from it. When it's your turn, it's Your Turn. Just be safe. But enough is enough.
AquaParade
10-21-2020, 09:19 AM
Yeah, there have been certain silver linings in relation to hygiene.
Now, I don't eat a ton of fast food, and it's not because I have high standards of taste, but because I generally don't trust the people at a fast food place to give two ***** about following hygiene procedure. Now that they have to actually clamp down on some of that ****, I've actually been popping by some drive-thru's again.
I don't know, I'm not a hygiene freak by any means, but I notice when people cover their cough with the very hand they plan on using to shake, open doors, touch people and things, etc. So little things like that should finally be deemed unacceptable. Little errors in basic hygiene that have gotten away from us.
Seriously, why cover a cough with your hand, unless you can immediately wash it?? Are you four years old? Use your shirt, savage.
In regards to opening things back up, it's necessary at this point. I generally agree with Leo's point, and, at least around here, despite everything being either closed or forced to operate outdoors, social gatherings have not disappeared at all. People are getting together whether or not they do it in your restaurant or movie theater. There's no point in letting these business burn just so you can pretend you're making a difference.
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
10-21-2020, 09:31 AM
Whatever happened to swine flu and bird flu? We freaked out about those for awhile, but they went away. If not actually went away, disappeared from public mind...
I guess because they didn't happen during an election year?
Leo656
10-21-2020, 09:40 AM
I'm not a fanatic but I do wash my hands and face rather often. I take a full shower every day. When I'm cooking, I wash my hands whenever I wash anything else, like rinsing a spoon or whatever. Hands are gonna get wet anyway, may as well wash 'em. When I was at work, if it was cold/flu season I'd wash my hands as soon as possible after having any close contact with anyone, definitely after a handshake. And I'd avoid shaking hands as much as possible in the winter months, although in some cases it's unavoidable.
In spite of my best efforts... for most of my life, I got VERY sick about once every month or so. I'd take every single reasonable precaution possible and then some, but I'd often joke that I'd get sick from a stiff breeze. There were times when someone around me "just" had a cough, and from there I'd be knocked out for two weeks with infected sinuses, coughing up blood and sh*t. Other times, I'd be training a client who came in sick and we'd be in close quarters for an hour or so and I'd be SURE that I was gonna be f*cked, but nothing happened and I was perfectly fine.
This is how I developed the mentality of, "It's really not up to you." I spent half my life being sick. I know for a FACT that you can take every precaution and get sick anyways, OR take no precautions and somehow like magic have it avoid you completely. Common sense is common sense, but as to whether or not you actually get sick, or get anyone else sick? That is 100% on "God". "Will of the Fates". Call it whatever. But it's ultimately not up to You.
When I'd call out sick, because "I don't want to get worse or spread it to other people", or to try and avoid getting sick from other people if I wasn't already, it was always the same line: "You can't live like that, life doesn't work that way." And they're right. People are always gonna get sick, and yeah, sometimes they're sadly even gonna die. These things are entirely outside of anyone's control, and aside from very basic common sense attempts to stay safe there's nothing anyone can do about any of it, and therefore no reason to overreact or live in crippling fear.
A year ago, if you said "I'm gonna walk around in a space suit and avoid all contact with people because I don't want to catch the flu, it might kill me (or my grandma)," people would laugh and call you an imbecile and tell you that you're a big 'fraidy cat and that's no way to go through life. Very little has ultimately changed other than a great big fear of "the unknown". But the unknown isn't entirely unknown anymore, so... time to try and make the best of it, I figure.
Whatever happened to swine flu and bird flu? We freaked out about those for awhile, but they went away. If not actually went away, disappeared from public mind...
I guess because they didn't happen during an election year?
Case in point. Depending on who you believe, more people died from Swine Flu. And nothing at all was shut down, there was just a month or so where SOME (not even most) people wore masks. And the ones who did were mostly made fun of over it. Otherwise, "business as usual". "Off to work now; hope I don't get sick and die, but if I do... ah well."
It's so weird how much can change in ten years. People were absolutely dropping dead back then, too, and the general attitude was a great big "So What?" And then it all just went away.
Just checked showtimes and... holy sh**. All of the AMC theaters are back here. Like, all of them. Playing Tenet, The New Mutants, all that stuff.
Vote with your wallet then and show them you want movies by going.
Whatever happened to swine flu and bird flu? We freaked out about those for awhile, but they went away. If not actually went away, disappeared from public mind...
I guess because they didn't happen during an election year?
The US isn't the whole world FYI.
Leo656
10-21-2020, 10:02 AM
The US isn't the whole world FYI.
Yeah, we just end up running it by proxy, is all.
Also, countries that DIDN'T have an election this year with a mainstream media hellbent on framing the entire scenario as a literal battle of "Good vs. Evil" all managed to put things to bed and move on a LOT quicker.
I've never believed the official numbers, so I don't know if so many more people over here actually died for any reason compared to the rest of the world. I doubt we'll ever know. What I DO know, is that keeping people angry and afraid is the entire business model of American "journalism" anymore, and that it's all magnified every four years. Every four years, The Sky Is Falling and It's All Those Other Guys' Fault, so if you wanna Save The World you gotta vote for Our Guy and at the same time ignore and mock everything Those Other Guys say about anything.
The scenario changes each time out. But EVERY election year in the U.S., it's literally framed as "If you vote for Our Guy, you're gonna help us save the world, but if you vote for The Other Guy, you're actually killing people and the blood is on your hands." Every. Four. Years.
This all couldn't have happened at a worse time. There's no tragedy SO bad, that it won't automatically be made worse simply by happening during an election year. That's a proven fact.
Well I will say that at the current stock prices AMC is a helluva buy if you are a gambler. If something happens even if only for a week and the price spikes to even 7 bucks a share you would have doubled your money if you buy it now.
It's a gamble buy. I haven't bought it, but basically if AMC does anything to improve their situation even temporarily the stock price could see a spike for a quick return.
I think the biggest problems I'm seeing is that almost all of AMC's public outreach has been "we are in trouble, we are warning you" instead of "our theaters are now offering this and this as we adapt to the current climate". They aren't pushing any real initiative in a real effort as compared to how much they are basically just giving announcements of problems and debt restructuring.
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
10-21-2020, 02:54 PM
The US isn't the whole world FYI.
No, but we think we are.
Expect more movies to be released on streaming and delayed.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/10/22/warner-bros-says-tenet-wasnt-a-home-run-not-optimistic-about-cinemas.html
Andrew NDB
10-24-2020, 10:37 PM
Expect more movies to be released on streaming and delayed.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/10/22/warner-bros-says-tenet-wasnt-a-home-run-not-optimistic-about-cinemas.html
Kind of dumb. It's still in theaters and, around here, within the last week or so is the first time we've even been allowed to go and see or not see Tenet.
TigerClaw
10-24-2020, 10:40 PM
No Time To Die might be heading to Apple or Netflix.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-23/apple-and-netflix-discussed-acquiring-bond-movie-for-streaming
ranger_scout
11-10-2020, 07:08 AM
Struggling AMC Chain Launches Private Theatre Rentals Program (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/struggling-amc-chain-launching-private-theatre-rentals-1234826743/)
CyberCubed
11-10-2020, 08:16 AM
This feels like watching someone on life support reaching their untimely end.
Movie theaters right now is like an old man in his 90s waiting for death but then COVID19 comes to speed the process up.
AquaParade
11-10-2020, 09:55 AM
It does. feels like we can't escape death lately. Family members, neighbors, movie chains. Everything is dying.
Good morning.
LeotheLateBloomer
11-10-2020, 10:45 AM
Movie theaters right now is like an old man in his 90s waiting for death but then COVID19 comes to speed the process up.
Tell me about it. The theater I worked at has been closed for nine months. Though the recent purple tier situation in my county doesn't help.
CyberCubed
11-10-2020, 12:43 PM
Goodbye, physical locations and get togethers.
All hail the digital future. Pretty soon everyone will just be communicating through isolated computer screens with no physical contact with another human being.
newfan
11-10-2020, 12:46 PM
Goodbye, physical locations and get togethers.
All hail the digital future. Pretty soon everyone will just be communicating through isolated computer screens with no physical contact with another human being.
Well, those who want to do that (post this situation)
We're locked down again until early December(except essential stores and schools, work from home if you can) so cinemas have closed again.
AquaParade
11-10-2020, 01:01 PM
Goodbye, physical locations and get togethers.
All hail the digital future. Pretty soon everyone will just be communicating through isolated computer screens with no physical contact with another human being.
Us who choose to live on the outside will be radicals, likely to be given a catchy name to go along with our counterculture ways. At least until we are rounded up and converted to soft serve nutrition.
ranger_scout
12-01-2020, 06:43 PM
This news could be a good sign about “when” the movie theater business will rebound not “if.”
https://deadline.com/2020/12/the-croods-a-new-age-box-office-moviegoing-will-rebound-national-cinemedia-boss-tom-lesinski-says-not-if-but-when-1234636051/
This news could be a good sign about “when” the movie theater business will rebound not “if.”
https://deadline.com/2020/12/the-croods-a-new-age-box-office-moviegoing-will-rebound-national-cinemedia-boss-tom-lesinski-says-not-if-but-when-1234636051/
Oh in the long run it will definitely rebound.
It's just more of a question as to what shape it will take when it does.
ranger_scout
12-04-2020, 05:31 PM
They experienced a very rough couple of days, especially with the HBO Max/theatrical hybrid.
AMC Theatres Eyes Selling Up to 200M Shares (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/amc-theatres-eyes-selling-up-to-200m-shares)
Cinema Stocks Mixed Friday As Biz Absorbs Warner Bros Bombshell; Cinemark, Imax Rally, AMC Falls More (https://deadline.com/2020/12/movie-theater-stocks-bounce-back-friday-as-industry-absorbs-warner-bros-2021-plans-1234650642/)
ranger_scout
12-11-2020, 11:10 AM
The company raised $100 million, but they warned that they could be out of cash by January.
https://deadline.com/2020/12/amc-ent-cash-may-be-gone-in-january-warner-1234654916/
CyberCubed
12-11-2020, 02:03 PM
Goodbye, sweet prince.
All hail the streaming/digital future.
Goodbye, sweet prince.
All hail the streaming/digital future.
I won't miss those $#!(bag overpriced, poorly calibrated, rudely staffed theaters at all. Let the market support some kind of theater experience. Like the Hollywood Palms in Naperville, IL.
ranger_scout
12-30-2020, 11:23 AM
:-( Things are still not looking good.
Struggling AMC Entertainment Files To Sell 50 Million More Shares (https://deadline.com/2020/12/struggling-amc-entertainment-files-to-sell-50-million-more-shares-1234662800/)
CyberCubed
12-30-2020, 08:30 PM
Goodbye, sweet prince.
Jester
12-30-2020, 09:19 PM
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EDIT: Man who put this on Youtube, that's ST VI: The Undiscovered Country
ZariusTwo
01-25-2021, 02:50 PM
AMC have raised enough cash to thrive through the winter
https://deadline.com/2021/01/amc-entertainment-raises-cash-to-stave-off-bankruptcy-today-the-sun-is-shining-for-amc-ceo-1234679592/
oldmanwinters
01-25-2021, 03:03 PM
AMC have raised enough cash to thrive through the winter
https://deadline.com/2021/01/amc-entertainment-raises-cash-to-stave-off-bankruptcy-today-the-sun-is-shining-for-amc-ceo-1234679592/
"Thrive" or "survive?"
Andrew NDB
01-25-2021, 11:23 PM
What's concerning is the absolute silence from Regal.
#1, they're like half of the theaters out here. The closest one is like 2 miles away from me.
#2, they're the NICE ones. NICE recliner seats, NICE food.
#3, I have about a bajillion points with them saved up.
frank_one
01-26-2021, 08:58 AM
What's concerning is the absolute silence from Regal.
#1, they're like half of the theaters out here. The closest one is like 2 miles away from me.
#2, they're the NICE ones. NICE recliner seats, NICE food.
#3, I have about a bajillion points with them saved up.Not sure why but I was expecting something like:
#4, I f*cked plenty of chicks in those theaters.
The survival of movie theaters is a topic that comes up often here in Italy. Unfortunately indipendent theaters actually died around 20 years ago for the most part here as multiplexes started to appear everywhere stealing breathing air to small theaters. Covid is killing off remaining indipendent theaters and even multiplexes are struggling.
BUT theaters as a whole won't disappear. Some company will go bankrupt for sure but somehow the theatre culture will survive. Even in a world where Netflix and other streaming services exist people still like to go out with friends and a watch a movie together even if it costs much more. The same goes with football matches or baseball or whatever sport is popular in a specific country: people can watch it on television with nice shots and photography but there will be always people who want to watch the match at the arena even if it's raining or freezing outside! Damn, think about beer. You can go to a shop and buy a pack of beer for cheap but still people go out to bars and pay twice the price (or more) for that same beer. Are the bar struggling because of grocery stores selling beer at a cheaper price? No, it's not a thing. Places like theaters, sport bowls or bars will never disappear.
Zulithe
01-26-2021, 09:24 AM
AMC keeps screaming about how they are going to die and then keeps finding new funding :lol:
Look, I want them to live cause they are my primary chain. I can't wait for this all to be over with so I can go back to visiting the theater once a week like I was before. I'm pretty scared about rising ticket costs to cover all this new debt they are taking on though.
CyberCubed
01-26-2021, 09:38 AM
Do people really visit theaters once a week? Even in the pre-covid era, on average I'd probably only see about 3-4 movies in theaters a year. Maybe sometimes a little more if there were certain "big" movies out that year.
What did you guys see that you constantly went to movie theaters every 1-2 weeks??? Unless you're rewatching the same movie and paying to see it again, not even many movies even come out that often that are worth seeing, let alone all the crap movies or "minor" movies that come out during dead months or whatever.
Coola Yagami
01-26-2021, 09:53 AM
I dunno, between the fact that people are gonna wanna do something whenever this ends and all restrictions are gone and the fact that most companies are trying to hold off the most they can to release their big movies when that day comes, one way or another, theaters will thrive when CoVid ends.
Either AMC and Regal somehow survive to see the day.... or they die out and new theater companies will come in their place, but theaters will thrive.
It's like Leo said, nothing really gets replaceable until a bigger better version is made that makes the old one completely obsolete. Until literally everyone can afford a giant-ass flat-screen and dolby surround sound in their homes, people that you know, actually LIKE going out are gonna prefer to go see 'big movie of the year' at the theater than at home on their laptop.
Do people really visit theaters once a week? Even in the pre-covid era, on average I'd probably only see about 3-4 movies in theaters a year. Maybe sometimes a little more if there were certain "big" movies out that year.
What did you guys see that you constantly went to movie theaters every 1-2 weeks??? Unless you're rewatching the same movie and paying to see it again, not even many movies even come out that often that are worth seeing, let alone all the crap movies or "minor" movies that come out during dead months or whatever.
I think some people do, sure. But I think for the most part the theater industry, like many industries, create narratives intended to normalize a behavior related to their industry so as to increase traffic.
So basically normal people who don't keep this crap on their radar hear some narrative about "and at AMC we want to get people back to their weekly visits to the theater!" and it's basically the same thing the media has been doing to the low information population for years now regarding politics - they just make a statement and low information people hear it, internalize it and re-balance their norm assuming it's true so that they now fit in.
It's a lie by exaggeration. And for the record I'm saying this, but I, ironically, used to go the theater a lot.
Leo656
01-26-2021, 06:45 PM
It's like Leo said, nothing really gets replaceable until a bigger better version is made that makes the old one completely obsolete. Until literally everyone can afford a giant-ass flat-screen and dolby surround sound in their homes, people that you know, actually LIKE going out are gonna prefer to go see 'big movie of the year' at the theater than at home on their laptop.
Along with the fact that huge chunks of the country (and the world) don't have the convenience of broadband or streaming. People of a certain privileged entitlement who are so deep in their own bubble that they can't fathom how anyone lives differently than they do tend to ignore or forget this. A lot of the same people who didn't have easy access to broadband streaming 10 years ago aren't much closer to it even now. Like when WW84 was coming out, I saw a LOT of people on FB saying, "I live in ______ and we don't have broadband, when is the Blu-ray coming out?" When you really look at those areas and how many people live there, that's MILLIONS of people and they're a big reason why theaters and physical media still exist and will for the foreseeable future.
The "Who even needs or cares about theaters or discs?" argument is yet another example of coastal elites of privilege not understanding or caring that not everyone is as "lucky" as they are to have certain options available to them. Not Everything Is About You.
Not sure why but I was expecting something like:
#4, I f*cked plenty of chicks in those theaters.
It's Andrew, that goes without saying. :lol:
Jester
01-26-2021, 06:57 PM
I'm really surprised that the big theater chains haven't tried to bring back the drive-in.
Leo656
01-26-2021, 07:04 PM
I know a few Mom N' Pop ones popped up last year but nothing widespread. You'd think it would be more of a thing since indoor venues have such big restrictions and all'a that.
Mosquitos, I guess.
Jester
01-26-2021, 07:08 PM
Maybe. Not sure what upkeep is for outdoor movie screens either...
Do people really visit theaters once a week?
Only the cool kids apparently but as we've seen in graphs I've posted before there are less cool kids year-on-year.
I'm really surprised that the big theater chains haven't tried to bring back the drive-in.
There's a ton in my city even big companies, I've always wanted to go to one but never wanted to drive too far but now they're in many places. It's been a year and still haven't, I want the experience but I doubt it's something amazing, it's watching a movie from a car.
Andrew NDB
01-26-2021, 08:41 PM
"People will just make new theaters if AMC and Regal die."
Who, exactly? Who in the world would want to invest brand new dollars into movie theaters, when this whole "pandemic" could just happen again next year, or the year after that, or 5 years from now? Because I've seen nothing to indicate this kind of lockdown response won't just be the norm now anytime there's a new Swine flu or Bird flu or whatever going around. Because that's what's going to happen.
And then BAM. You decided to invest your livelihood into the theater business? Now you're broke and ruined. Because lockdowns and local governments don't trust you to sanitize your workplace and citizens aren't trusted to make judgment calls for themselves. All over again.
"People will just make new theaters if AMC and Regal die."
Who, exactly? Who in the world would want to invest brand new dollars into movie theaters, when this whole "pandemic" could just happen again next year, or the year after that, or 5 years from now? Because I've seen nothing to indicate this kind of lockdown response won't just be the norm now anytime there's a new Swine flu or Bird flu or whatever going around. Because that's what's going to happen.
And then BAM. You decided to invest your livelihood into the theater business? Now you're broke and ruined. Because lockdowns and local governments don't trust you to sanitize your workplace and citizens aren't trusted to make judgment calls for themselves. All over again.
I think people will still make theaters, but they'll have to be entrepreneurial about it and do things like Naperville, IL's Hollywood Palms.
I own some AMC Stock now.
I own some AMC Stock now.
Oh geeze man. Did you get in with the Gamestop reddit too?
The Deadman
01-28-2021, 11:01 AM
"People will just make new theaters if AMC and Regal die."
Who, exactly? Who in the world would want to invest brand new dollars into movie theaters, when this whole "pandemic" could just happen again next year, or the year after that, or 5 years from now? Because I've seen nothing to indicate this kind of lockdown response won't just be the norm now anytime there's a new Swine flu or Bird flu or whatever going around. Because that's what's going to happen.
And then BAM. You decided to invest your livelihood into the theater business? Now you're broke and ruined. Because lockdowns and local governments don't trust you to sanitize your workplace and citizens aren't trusted to make judgment calls for themselves. All over again.
Just get a projector. Boom, there's your movie theater.
Oh geeze man. Did you get in with the Gamestop reddit too?
earlier in the week so not super early but early enough.
https://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2021/01/amc_stock.png?fit=bounds&width=640&height=480
I wasn't going to risk it so i wasn't going to hodl too much, just wanted some profit and I got it.
But yeah, watching all of this has been popcorn.gif
CyberCubed
01-28-2021, 12:24 PM
So, bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry
And them good ol' boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
Singin', "This'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die"
Andrew NDB
01-28-2021, 04:15 PM
Just get a projector. Boom, there's your movie theater.
For losers.
Leo656
01-28-2021, 05:14 PM
Andrew's jabs are stiffer than most folks' hooks. Love it.
please tell us of some other stuff "cool'" guys like and do so I can find more stocks that are getting shorted.
please tell us of some other stuff "cool'" guys like and do so I can find more stocks that are getting shorted.
I don't really want to contribute to this climate, but I've got to say that I was sniffing out PONG when it was like .07 a share, man.
They are building hotels in Vegas that are going to be killer in about 5 years. It's going to be a Tron-like Atari experience.
But I don't buy growth in my BA - my thesis is div growth.
Jester
03-24-2021, 12:04 AM
Hate to bump but figured I would for "story time."
This week is my oldest son's spring break. When trying to find something to do we buzzed by our local independent movie theater. My wife (and let's be fair me to an extent) refuse to go there because the owners a bit of a jerk and when we have gone it was pretty gnarly though it has admittedly been awhile. The boys were a bit disappointed but we went home, watched the one kid movie they had at the theater with some popcorn at home. But it lead me and my wife to think about the fact it may be our only choice now since the Regal at the mall died and how theater's might be able to survive.
Do you think instead of huge 15 screen megaplexes could smaller screens in the same space (say 30 or so) that you can rent with friends or dates to do private screening of the newest movie or any classic in the theater's library. Basically a huge screen (or at the very least bigger than most home setups) to rent essentially for "streaming". No more show times or specific screens to see film. Just rent an available screening room and watch practically any movie the theater has access too...or maybe even something you bring to them to screen.
Andrew NDB
03-24-2021, 01:23 AM
People already do that and they already advertise that they're available for that.
Jester
03-24-2021, 01:59 AM
People already do that and they already advertise that they're available for that.
To an extent true.
Andrew NDB
04-17-2021, 07:42 PM
Regal is back! I'm going to the one super close to my house tonight.
ranger_scout
04-25-2021, 09:39 PM
Movie theaters just received a major promo tonight.
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/oscars-2021-movies-promo-matthew-mcconaughey-theaters/
The box office results for movies like Godzilla vs. Kong, Demon Slayer, and Mortal Kombat have also been encouraging.
Coola Yagami
04-25-2021, 10:46 PM
I just realized I was at the AMC when we watched Godzilla VS Kong. And yeah I know it sounds weird, but I mean, whenever I go to some new place I'm more focused on the actual movie we're watching not exactly what brand the theater is.
I just realized I was at the AMC when we watched Godzilla VS Kong. And yeah I know it sounds weird, but I mean, whenever I go to some new place I'm more focused on the actual movie we're watching not exactly what brand the theater is.
I wish you could try out the Brew 'n Views in the Chicagoland area man. We have several that are truly terrific. They'd change your mind about traditional theaters with 25 dollar popcorn and kids running and screaming across theater seats and all of that other BS.
One of them here, The Hollywood Palms, has themed theater rooms. One is Egyptian with a life sized Arc from Indiana Jones.
ranger_scout
05-14-2021, 07:26 AM
The company's stock soared yesterday.
AMC Entertainment Stock Trends Again As Reddit-Led Retail Wave Lifts Shares 24%; Theater Chain Raises $428M In Share Sale – Update (https://deadline.com/2021/05/amc-entertainment-million-new-capital-shares-covid-19-1234755525/)
The company's stock soared yesterday.
AMC Entertainment Stock Trends Again As Reddit-Led Retail Wave Lifts Shares 24%; Theater Chain Raises $428M In Share Sale – Update (https://deadline.com/2021/05/amc-entertainment-million-new-capital-shares-covid-19-1234755525/)
This is not because the company is doing good, it's beeing squeezed because it was being shorted since it was expected to go bankrupt. It's literally a financial meme.
hence my post asking Leo for him to tell me more stocks of stuff he likes that is likely being shorted:
please tell us of some other stuff "cool'" guys like and do so I can find more stocks that are getting shorted.
Exactly.
I've avoided every meme stock and have just continued to dutifully reinvest my dividends, although I have allocated to crypto as well. Go YFI go! ;)
Leo656
05-14-2021, 09:53 PM
hence my post asking Leo for him to tell me more stocks of stuff he likes that is likely being shorted:
I missed this completely.
Not only do I not pay any attention to stocks but I also do my best to ignore you whenever possible, as you're not good at all for my blood pressure. :lol:
Coola Yagami
05-14-2021, 11:56 PM
I mean I knew theaters were gonna come back thriving once all this pandemic junk is over. This'll be nothing but a bad memory come next year.
Zulithe
05-15-2021, 12:04 AM
My two closest AMCs are alive and well, and showing movies. I've been tempted to go back, but not yet. I will definitely go back soon, probably for Black Widow or whatever big movie comes out which you can't watch on HBOMax
Actually, you know what. I think my first "back to the movies" event will be A Quiet Place Part II later this month, really liked the first one. I'm fully vaccinated so I'm good to go.
I went to a drive-in theater finally today, I saw Promising Young Woman which was a nice film. I've always wanted to go to a drive-in theater and can't believe it took over a year since the pandemic started for me to get to it. Glad I was able to try it, it's a unique experience but nothing extra memorable though.
Exactly.
I've avoided every meme stock and have just continued to dutifully reinvest my dividends, although I have allocated to crypto as well. Go YFI go! ;)
I stupidly sold btc at 19k, I still did 6x which was nice but I didn't even take a look at charts to see that the bull run was just beginning. We live in a world of memevesting now for better or worse.
ssjup81
05-16-2021, 05:29 PM
I can't believe I missed this response!So are you not into Blu-ray/DVDs? I mean you don’t watch reruns of your favorites from time to time?
I wanted to see Ghostbusters 3. That was the only movie I wanted to go to the rest of the year. The last 2 movies I saw in theaters were Sonic and Ghostbusters 2016.
There’s plenty of movies I would like to see but I usually end up waiting for home release. It has to be something special for me to go out. It took 20+ years for another GB and then this proper sequel and I’ve always wanted Sonic.
March is not that far away. I doubt there will be a significant improvement by then. I would move GB3 to at least October. Not sure what it would be competing with but it would give more time and it fits well with Halloween.It depends on the movie for me. I don't really collect movies so much, unless they have some rewatch value for me. I think the last films I saw in theater was Sonic, before that Frozen 2 I think, but neither are films I'd rewatch over and over. It's rare for me for more modern films. Older films, I can do that with.
We live in a world of memevesting now for better or worse.
No, no. We live in a world where there's a generation of younger-than-40-something's that are operating that way in the same world where the generation above them is still operating by financial science and dollar cost averaging with faith in the ultimate directions of the markets.
And so far that division is fine as long as the meme investors continue to try to get rich quick with "Robinhood stocks" while the rest of us do the real deal.
Now on that note, crypto right now? Yeesh. But you know what I see? Significant buying op, just like I saw in the market's in April 2020. ;)
ranger_scout
05-30-2021, 12:23 PM
The company seemed to be mighty pleased on May 27.
https://deadline.com/2021/05/amc-entertainment-shares-stock-reddit-1234765384/
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
05-30-2021, 12:38 PM
Cinemas in Sweden can finally reopen again on 1 June 2021, with 50 persons inside. (They have never been legally closed, but with just eight persons allowed inside during the pandemic, operating them only has become an economic burden, causing them to voluntary close down.)
https://www.svt.se/kultur/filmstaden-oppnar-sina-biografer
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