A return to the Turtles' alcohol consumption?

[neatoman]

Just a thought, would that be a good idea? I always thought the Pizza obsession was meant to be a subsitute for it (something people crave but is obviously bad for you) since the depiction of inibriation is kind of a no-no in kids' cartoons. I was just thinking that it might be time to drop the childish substitute. Obviously they can't drink beer in the cartoons, but probably could in comics, movies and games.
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[frank_one]

Pizza is not bad for your body if made with healthy ingredients, unless you eat it everyday of your life, but the same can be said of every kind of food.

[Shinigami]

I don’t remember them drinking a ton of beer in Mirage. Just seeing them holding a can every once in awhile. I always read Casey as the drunk especially in later Mirage issues.

[MikeandRaph87]

They are teenagers and under the law it is illegal for anyone under 21 to consume alcohol. Even if legal after 21 it is still morally questionable and the TMNT are ones to follow morals. If they must act they must not be intoxicated so they should not imbibe if they could be dealing with effects of drinking if one a mission that comes up at any time. Some heroes especially those popular with adolescence do not partake in such things (Batman, Spider-Man, Superman)and it has become a part of their character while others it is expected of and some times used to teach against it like with Iron Man. They are also beloved heroes for all ages and like you said we don't want to have the wrong message sent even if they are turtles. I would rather the Turtles abstain from drinking alcohol. It may have been something they did when they were a parody of 80s' comics aimed at adults, but Ninja Turtles is a franchise now and it is best left to the very early days. Other characters can be depicted as periodic drinkers like Casey Jones on an emotional roller coaster if he is of age or a villain however.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Atleast pizza would help them build muscle and explain their physiques while alcohol can't.

[Andrew NDB]

They are teenagers and under the law it is illegal for anyone under 21 to consume alcohol.

It's also illegal to murder people and vigilante, and steal electricity from the city... but they do all of those things. Let them drink their damn beer. Lose the pizza.

It may have been something they did when they were a parody of 80s' comics

It was never that, as both Peter and Kevin confirmed on separate occasions.

[IndigoErth]

I wouldn't care if it was in more mature material, though shoehorned in and too much just for the sake of it would be kinda lame. At least let the frequency, amount, and drink of choice make sense for each of them.

Nothing wrong with a little pizza, pizza is delicious and an inexpensive meal for a family of income-lacking mutants, but it doesn't always need to be a constant presence either.

[Jazzfox]

D= Sad to say, but I just can't imagine the turtles without them sharing a slice together sometime

When it comes to vices, Iunno, I could see where you could get swapping pizza for beer as a way to be more child friendly, but there's something very universal I get to the pizza love, not to mention just the idea it's something that they can all share together

Yeah, it's played a lot for laughs - Power Rangers/Turtles takes the cake for most outlandish Mikey pizza toppings, lol - and VGCats and plenty other places point out just what would happen on a pizza rich diet, but, I can stretch my disbelief there maybe

Heck, who knows how many calories a giant mutant turtle can burn through in a day, especially one who head dives across buildings every night and undergoes some fairly strict martial arts training

Overall, I don't know if I'd shout from the rooftops if the turtles shared a six pack, but I know I'd be all the sadder if it was outright taking away their pizzas, lol

[Galactus]

There's only a handful on times in Mirage Vol.1 that the turtles have been shown drinking alchohol and only a few other times in every other version that followed. I think it's somewhat overstated by fans that the comic turtles are way into beer.

I think it's reaching to think that the pizza obsession from the cartoon was meant to be a replacement for it. Clearly the Mirage turtles were never obsessed with beer.

Still I'd have no issue with say the IDW series being shown to drink beer or other alcoholic drinks. After all teenagers do sneak drink liquor so why not. The only time I've ever had an issue with it was in the Image series when Don makes a reference to drinking beer while flying the air car. The idea of the turtles drinking and driving is bad enough but Don doing that? I just don't see it but other than that have at it.

[Wildcat]

No.

This reminds ALF had to stop drinking beer for basically the same reason. A family friendly character that appealed to kids couldn’t be drinking alcohol even though he was an adult. I think he only has one in the first episode if I remember correctly.

Anyway it just doesn’t make sense for the turtles. They’re teenagers (and I know they drink in real life) but the bigger thing is it goes against being able to fight and keep a clear head.

I don’t have a problem with characters drinking if it fits. Alcohol is a huge part of the Simpsons but it’s mostly done for comedy. Although you would have thought they would change it similar to Alf once the show became really popular.

I consider The Simpsons family friendly even though there’s adult subjects going on. It doesn’t go over the top. It keeps things in a lighthearted or silly tone.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Would they even be able to function as ninjas with a high-level of alcohol consumption? (high-level pizza consumption is an easier suspension of disbelief)

[Voltron]

Would they even be able to function as ninjas with a high-level of alcohol consumption? (high-level pizza consumption is an easier suspension of disbelief)

I can tell you from experience that my karate abilities sky-rocket after like, a liter of rum.

In all seriousness, how would this serve a story? Cartoon Fan brings up a good point in that the abilities would suffer under inebriation. Other than being edgy, is there a reason for them to pound a few? I could see if they were hanging out at the farm house or something . . .

[neatoman]

No.

This reminds ALF had to stop drinking beer for basically the same reason. A family friendly character that appealed to kids couldn’t be drinking alcohol even though he was an adult. I think he only has one in the first episode if I remember correctly.

Anyway it just doesn’t make sense for the turtles. They’re teenagers (and I know they drink in real life) but the bigger thing is it goes against being able to fight and keep a clear head.

I don’t have a problem with characters drinking if it fits. Alcohol is a huge part of the Simpsons but it’s mostly done for comedy. Although you would have thought they would change it similar to Alf once the show became really popular.

I consider The Simpsons family friendly even though there’s adult subjects going on. It doesn’t go over the top. It keeps things in a lighthearted or silly tone.

The "family friendly" bit would only apply to the stuff explicitly marketed to children though... And what if the beer was non-alcoholic in those?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

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[frank_one]

They are monsters living in the sewer, I don't mind if they drink or if they kill people in the streets. They are no heroes, just beasts.

[I Crave Pizza No More]

Doesn't ET get blitzed? It was a different era, that's for sure!

[neatoman]

Doesn't ET get blitzed? It was a different era, that's for sure!

Oh yeah... And the kid gets drunk too because of the psychic link.

[oldmanwinters]

When the Turtles bunk at April's apartment in Volume 1, issue 3, April offers them some beer... only to discover they are already asleep. :tlol:

[Wildcat]

The "family friendly" bit would only apply to the stuff explicitly marketed to children though... And what if the beer was non-alcoholic in those?But people drink to get buzzed or drunk. Plus they’d have to specify the beer is non-alcoholic in every episode or comic issue. It’s pointless.

[Leo656]

I love the people who are like, "They wouldn't do that! They're TEENAGERS!" :lol:

Your average teenager drinks, and to excess, FAR more often than the "average" adult does (although the adults who DO binge kinda wreck the curve). Specifically because teenagers have poor impulse control and get off on doing stuff they're not supposed to do. Speaking for myself, I got blackout-drunk way more often before I was 18 than I ever have since.

Like no, I don't know if it would serve any real purpose, but c'mon. "They're teenagers! They have hearty moral fiber!" :lol: That's you, the viewer, projecting traits onto the characters.

I do kinda think FW TMNT would eschew alcohol for those reasons, but... well, let's be honest, those guys were pussies. :lol: :trazz:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I do kinda think FW TMNT would eschew alcohol for those reasons, but... well, let's be honest, those guys were pussies. :lol: :trazz:

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[Leo656]

I have this picture in my head of FW Donnie wilting like a flower upon seeing one of the others with a can of Budweiser or something. :lol: "Is that a... is that a BEER?" ((faints)) And then Mikey's all like "Whoa, WAY uncool, April!" because he was in that Cartoon All-Stars To The Rescue gimmick. :lol:

I barely even noticed it when I read the Mirage books for the first time and saw them talking about beer. Fact is, most "normal" people drink sometimes. It's the much smaller number of complete and total assholes - of which I've known plenty - who give "drinking" its whole stigma. Most people have one or two beers with dinner and are perfectly fine, but that's not the stuff you read about. But that is, indeed, how "drinking" works for 99% of people who do it.

You can always tell the ones who've never had a drop because they immediately assume that anyone who does is a fratboy lunatic or something, which is quite comical. I generally assume those people had problematic family members who scared them away from it. Which is fine, I've been there, but the pearl-clutching does come from a perspective of ignorance.

Like no, nobody "needs" to drink, but drinking doesn't display any sort of lack of morals or character, and it doesn't make you a bad person. Being a bad person makes you a bad person, and lots of bad people are stone sober. Just sayin'.

For the record, my wife wishes I'd drink a lot more than I do because I'm a lot goofier and more friendly. :lol: I keep telling her I might if we could afford it, but I'm a responsible adult with bills to pay. :trazz:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I seem to remember Michelangelo in that DARE cartoon as well. Intimidating some kid who fell down a sewer and DUDE, LIKE, DRUGS ARE BAD, DUDE.

Am I remembering that more or less correctly?

[Leo656]

Yes you are. :lol: I rented that tape more often than I'm comfortable admitting to.

Ironically enough, I've always been sort of a hardliner about substances and I hold no sympathy for "addicts", and my personal views on the subject can seemingly make no sense to an outside observer, but it's all been shaped and informed by my life and the people I've been around extensively, and thus they make perfect sense to me and the people who've been close to me for a very long time.

Like, for example I do feel that things like cocaine and heroin go hand-in-hand with being a bad person, either as a direct cause or merely a side effect, but I don't think it's possible to be a decent human being while also consuming those substances, I think they're antithetical entirely to being a "good person". Alcohol, not so much. Although if someone's already a bad person, they definitely shouldn't drink, but you can drink and still in theory be a good person.

I'unno, it all makes sense if you know me or my family really well. :trazz:

[PurpleMusic]

All 4 are clearly stoners. Don I could see as sort of an Owsley type, making LSD on the side. Also I liked Next Mutation's depiction of Mike as a rave-hosting pirate radio guy. In my opinion the turtles can't truly be the turtles without at least the subtext of drug culture

[Leo656]

:lol: How is Leo "clearly" a stoner? If anything he's the one I could easily see being "straight edge", or at least the closest to it.

Mikey, though, absolutely. That guy's baked outta his gourd. Reminds me way too much of my old tag team partner :lol: (who incidentally named his son Donatello... poor kid :lol:).

[PurpleMusic]

:lol: How is Leo "clearly" a stoner? If anything he's the one I could easily see being "straight edge", or at least the closest to it.

Mikey, though, absolutely. That guy's baked outta his gourd. Reminds me way too much of my old tag team partner :lol: (who incidentally named his son Donatello... poor kid :lol:).

Because it's just kind of a day-to-day thing. Leo would absolutely use some sweet kiseru pipe while out meditatating, if not mushrooms/peyote/ayahuasca/etc.

[Leo656]

You sound like you've given this a whole lot of thought. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Splinter dosed Leo with some "Infini-tea" once that had the boy trippin' turtle balls.

So... relevant to current topic? Maybe. Who cares. Never forget: Splinter roofied his own damn son! :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

I love the people who are like, "They wouldn't do that! They're TEENAGERS!" :lol:

Your average teenager drinks, and to excess, FAR more often than the "average" adult does (although the adults who DO binge kinda wreck the curve).

Let alone teenagers growing up in a sewer, getting beaten into shape by a ninja master, training to one day kill a man. I don't think they're going to care about the laws of man. They aren't part of our society.

[Leo656]

Let alone teenagers growing up in a sewer, getting beaten into shape by a ninja master, training to one day kill a man. I don't think they're going to care about the laws of man. They aren't part of our society.

It keeps needing to be repeated, even though it's never gonna fully sink in for some people.

I mean, I understand a reader/viewer projecting a bit of themselves into their recreational material, and I also understand that in any version the Turtles themselves would be shaped to some degree by what they've managed to observe of human beings and their norms/customs, but that's not to say they'd be "just like people" just because they watched a lotta TV. It was 15 years or so before they'd even had a conversation with anyone besides themselves.

I'unno. Whole thing is weirdwith regard to how "humanlike" they are/are not and completely falls apart if you over-think it. :lol:


Splinter dosed Leo with some "Infini-tea" once that had the boy trippin' turtle balls.

So... relevant to current topic? Maybe. Who cares. Never forget: Splinter roofied his own damn son! :tlol:

Ahhhhh yeeeeeaaaaah, I 'member that. :lol: I kinda don't like Mirage. :trazz: Although it made some sense in context, still kinda "WTF".

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, it never ceases to amuse and annoy me.

"WHY CAN'T THE TURTLES ACT MORE LIKE NORMAL HUMAN TEENAGERS??! I DON'T UNDERSTAND!!"

Because they're not! They shouldn't be anything like normal human teenagers and how could they be?

[Powder]

All 4 are clearly stoners.

Do you even TMNT?

[Wildcat]

I can see the turtles trying alcohol and probably 1 or all 4 of them liking it.

Teenagers aside. I don’t think it makes sense because like I mentioned it goes against being physically and mentally fit to fight and deal with things. It’s what Spinter has taught them since the beginning.

I know you can drink a bit and not loose all control but it still dulls your senses to a point and they’re always needing to be prepared for something.

Living underground and seeing human behavior through tv or hidden in the shadows can go either way. They know about alcohol and don’t care, don’t completely understand it or are curious to taste it.

After that I don’t really see them drinking on a regular basis.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I don’t think it makes sense because like I mentioned it goes against being physically and mentally fit to fight and deal with things.

I'm pretty sure Bruce Wayne has had a few shots in his life yet it hasn't affected his physique in fighting crime.:lol:

[Andrew NDB]

With Splinter it was probably like... "Train HARD... and one day a week you can drink the thing you call 'beer'!"

[Wildcat]

Does Batman drink? I briefly googled it and it looks like no.

Anyway sure the turtles could possibly drink at some time but it just seems pointless. Both from a character standpoint and writing standpoint.

[Andrew NDB]

Does Batman drink? I briefly googled it and it looks like no.

I'm sure he does socially, to keep up appearances as Bruce Wayne. But like when he's in focused Batman mode, or mulling over a case in the Batcave? No, certainly not. Nor would he ever be like, "Damn, I could use a drink." But that's a dumb comparison as the Turtles are nothing like Batman on any level beyond a vague revenge level in their origins.

Anyway sure the turtles could possibly drink at some time but it just seems pointless. Both from a character standpoint and writing standpoint.

Also dumb. It's like saying, "Why do the Turtles need to adopt a cat? It's pointless. Why would they do that?" From the perspective of "they're in isolation, they have to dwell in the shadows only observing a society they have no part of or in, while wanting to" it's endearing.

Should anyone really care on a morality level if four 15 year-old mutated turtles stuck in a sewer drink a few beers once in a while? Shaddup. They're not, like, supposed to be in school or anything. Their school is learning how to kill people better, everyday.

[Wildcat]

Well in that case every leisure activity they do is pointless. Games, comics, skateboarding etc.

I’m not saying people who drink are slobs or drunks who can’t control themselves but it’s just something that comes off different.

Adopting a cat might be just as pointless but caring for an animal makes sense because they understand being on their own and they live in mostly isolation.

Killing people? I’ve never read the comics but they fight villains.

[Andrew NDB]

Well in that case every leisure activity they do is pointless. Games, comics, skateboarding etc.

You're disproving your own case.

I’m not saying people who drink are slobs or drunks who can’t control themselves but it’s just something that comes off different.

How so?

Killing people? I’ve never read the comics but they fight villains.

I'm only speaking to the comics. The source material, where they were raised by Splinter for the sole purpose of revenge-killing a man (Saki). And yes, they encounter villains now and again (but they're NOT vigilantes... they are not going out there fighting mankind's crime for the sake of humanity, they don't care about that and why would they?) but their training from 0-15 would consist solely of being better and quicker on the draw than Oroku Saki when it comes time to fight him and murder him. That's it.

[Wildcat]

You're disproving your own case.I know that contradicts my point. I mentioned that because they can’t just train and fight 24-7 but drinking is actually something that can do more harm than good generally speaking. So why include it?

How so?Because it’s alcohol. Maybe it’s not fair because it can be done in moderation but it’s one of those things that carries a different weight just by association.

I'm only speaking to the comics. The source material, where they were raised by Splinter for the sole purpose of revenge-killing a man (Saki). And yes, they encounter villains now and again (but they're NOT vigilantes... they are not going out there fighting mankind's crime for the sake of humanity, they don't care about that and why would they?) but their training from 0-15 would consist solely of being better and quicker on the draw than Oroku Saki when it comes time to fight him and murder him. That's it.Well he’s still a villain. They’re not trying to kill anyone who happens to annoy them.

I know there’s a lot of comics. Not sure where the original source would cut off but I’m assuming they fight other villains of their own choice even if they don’t necessarily need to. Like I imagine some of it is to help others. Unless I’m wrong.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Ironically enough, I've always been sort of a hardliner about substances and I hold no sympathy for "addicts", and my personal views on the subject can seemingly make no sense to an outside observer, but it's all been shaped and informed by my life and the people I've been around extensively, and thus they make perfect sense to me and the people who've been close to me for a very long time.

Like, for example I do feel that things like cocaine and heroin go hand-in-hand with being a bad person, either as a direct cause or merely a side effect, but I don't think it's possible to be a decent human being while also consuming those substances, I think they're antithetical entirely to being a "good person". Alcohol, not so much. Although if someone's already a bad person, they definitely shouldn't drink, but you can drink and still in theory be a good person.

I'unno, it all makes sense if you know me or my family really well. :trazz:

Curious, how do you view smoking and smokers in comparison to the other two types of people you described?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm only speaking to the comics. The source material, where they were raised by Splinter for the sole purpose of revenge-killing a man (Saki). And yes, they encounter villains now and again (but they're NOT vigilantes... they are not going out there fighting mankind's crime for the sake of humanity, they don't care about that and why would they?) but their training from 0-15 would consist solely of being better and quicker on the draw than Oroku Saki when it comes time to fight him and murder him. That's it.

They'd get a little schooling. Math so they can count and figure out odds (huh, I'm outnumbered 2 to 1, for example), probably some Japanese so they can eavesdrop on Saki... but I can't think of anything else that would be useful.

[lonewarrior20]

I wonder which one would be good at the drunken fist? My bets mikey since he always has to have a loose balance when he uses his chucks.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Does Batman drink? I briefly googled it and it looks like no.

As Bruce Wayne, he took a sip in Batman Begins.

[Hamato Yoshi]

Stone Cold dressing up as a ninja turtle om Halloween :lol:

Idea for cartoon drawing : Mr Miyagi and Splinter smoking weed while Daniel and TMNT are shocked and disbeliefed and p.o :P

[Galactus]

I'm sure he does socially, to keep up appearances as Bruce Wayne. But like when he's in focused Batman mode, or mulling over a case in the Batcave? No, certainly not. Nor would he ever be like, "Damn, I could use a drink." But that's a dumb comparison as the Turtles are nothing like Batman on any level beyond a vague revenge level in their origins.

Perhaps not canon to the 'main' DC Universe but I'm pretty sure in The Dark Knight Returns it's mentioned that as Bruce Wayne he used to pretend to drink alcohol so to appear as a playboy but still keeps his wits about him.

[Leo656]

Batfleck chased painkillers with whiskey on at least one occasion, but to be fair he'd been Batmanning for 20 years by that point and was pretty physically and mentally broken to the point where he was pretty much ready to die, so that's a bit of an extreme circumstance. Pretty sure "in his prime" Batman doesn't drink, though. :trazz:

As far as "People who want to maintain prime fitness and be able to perform at a peak level don't pollute their body with substances", well... that's simple childish naivete, although I admit I used to think that, too, until I knew more and actually got involved in a pseudo-sport. But take a glance at just about any pro wrestler, for example, I mean just Google "pro wrestlers" on Image Search, and you'll see tons of guys and girls with Adonis physiques and 1% body fat... watch any modern-era match and you'll see these people perform feats of athleticism that are damn near super-human... and I'd hate to burst anyone's bubble, but without naming names I can say with good authority that 99.999% of those gods and goddesses spend most of their waking hours drunk, coked-up, and pilled to the gourd. You'd think, "Well, they can't PERFORM in that state, that's just for recreation"... and that's also bullsh*t. Look up any match Shawn Michaels performed in between 1995 and 1997; he was doing amazing feats of gymnastics and physical derring-do, despite being SO pilled up and drunk nearly 24/7 that he barely remembers those years of his life.

I jump to that field because I've worked in that business, know some of the horror stories firsthand, and it's easy to tell they're in fantastic shape at a glance because it's an area of athletics where everybody's half-naked. :lol: Rest assured, as a kid I was pretty crestfallen to discover that so many of my "heroes" were degenerates, but them's the breaks.

But it's pretty much true in any high-level athletic endeavor, from the NFL to the Olympics; just about every high-performance athlete lives their daily life in a haze of alcohol, booze, amphetamines, painkillers and cocaine, simply to get up and function, because things like working out 14 hours a day and living out of a suitcase half the time play hell with your body. Major League Baseball was riddled with alcohol and amphetamines for decades before they cracked down on it, way before anyone made any noise about steroids. The NFL has always been a bunch of drunken coke-heads. And stories of drunken decadence at the Olympic Village before/during/after the Games has become legendary; basically, every single Olympics, if they're not on the field and the cameras aren't on, most of the athletes are binge-drinking and having orgies.

It is what it is, but fact is, for whatever reason, substance use, and even full-blown abuse, doesn't impede one's ability to perform at an incredibly high level, athletically. In fact, it's often a required necessity to be constantly drunk/stoned simply for these people to ignore the pain long enough to perform and/or sleep through the night.

Frankly, it's why I was always content to not pursue my chosen "sport" at anything more than a small, local level. If you're wrestling on TV, you're basically a functional alcoholic who's hooked on pain pills and coke. But you still look great! :lol: I simply knew that's the "dark side" of the life and I never wanted to be rich and famous so I don't get involved that deep.

You get my point, though. Drugs and alcohol are bad but they're pretty much a necessity to be a high-performance athlete, not a detriment. So if the Turtles were real, and they got in half as many serious fights as they're portrayed, then yeah, if all they did was drink beer they'd be way ahead of most.

Curious, how do you view smoking and smokers in comparison to the other two types of people you described?

Interesting question! Frankly I think it's stupid knowing what we know now about the damage it does to your body long-term, and also having a few people in my family (including my mother's sister) die slowly from Emphysema over 20+ years. I can safely say that nobody wants to go out that way - my Aunt was diagnosed in 1997 and given a couple of years to live, but she made it through until a couple years ago, and her quality of life was not great by then. Like everyone else who smokes cigarettes, she always had the "My body, my problem" attitude until she got cancer, and by the end when she was wheeling around in her chair with an oxygen tank watching her own kids chain-smoke, she'd get SO f*cking mad at them for smoking. "You think this sh*t is fun?! You wanna end up on a f*cking tube under a tent? The f*ck is wrong with you?!" But, she's dead and they still smoke, so obviously nobody really learned anything.

For me, the fact that everyone I ever knew who smoked spent every day wishing they could quit, and openly talking about that, says a lot about it. Like I've known unrepentant substance abusers of every flavor, many who went to their graves swearing up and down that the coke/pills/misc. were actually improving their lives instead of ruining them, but I've only ever known smokers who constantly say they wish they never started. So I figure, must be pretty bad. :lol: Or as my Dad used to say, "The hell's the point of smoking anything that don't get you high, man?" :lol: (He was a big hippie; those people are gross, but I get the basic gist of his point :trazz:)

I will say, though, that while I find just about any self-abusive/self-destructive behavior to be pretty stupid, and am judgmental as f*ck about it, at least smoking cigarettes only minimally affects one's personality. I've known plenty of people who get all "Jekkyl and Hyde" when they're drunk or on pills/coke, but at least smoking cigarettes doesn't have that effect on people. So at least the only people's lives who are negatively impacted are their own.

Interesting question, sir.

[pferreira]

I guess it depends how you want your characters to be portrayed. Do you want the TMNT to be likeable role models or 'realistic' examples of underclass teens? By all means have them illegally drink alcohol however alcohol will to some extent impair their abilities and that's if they don't get tipsy. Depends the narrative or representation you want to push. Pizza clearly was never supposed to be seen as a drug so not sure where you got that from.

[Hamato Yoshi]

I agree , we dont know these celebs privately , heard Dolph L did coke at a bar in Stockholm few yrs ago

"stories of drunken decadence at the Olympic Village"

Reminds me what WCW Frank Andersson once said when he went to Vegas from the olympics : "my d**k has needs" :lol:

[PApagreg]

I don't know about beer but I wouldn't mind seeing the turtles casually drink Sake, maybe with a meal or in celebration.

[Leo656]

I agree , we dont know these celebs privately , heard Dolph L did coke at a bar in Stockholm few yrs ago


Ah, yeah, Lundgren was a notoriously heavy coke user going back to his relationship with Grace Jones back in the 80s. That was a real heartbreaker when I found that out but at the same time it isn't terribly surprising. And like my father, a notorious degenerate, used to say, "Nobody ever gets 'clean', they just get discreet," So there ya go.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

They are teenagers and under the law it is illegal for anyone under 21 to consume alcohol. Even if legal after 21 it is still morally questionable and the TMNT are ones to follow morals. If they must act they must not be intoxicated so they should not imbibe if they could be dealing with effects of drinking if one a mission that comes up at any time. Some heroes especially those popular with adolescence do not partake in such things (Batman, Spider-Man, Superman)and it has become a part of their character while others it is expected of and some times used to teach against it like with Iron Man. They are also beloved heroes for all ages and like you said we don't want to have the wrong message sent even if they are turtles. I would rather the Turtles abstain from drinking alcohol. It may have been something they did when they were a parody of 80s' comics aimed at adults, but Ninja Turtles is a franchise now and it is best left to the very early days. Other characters can be depicted as periodic drinkers like Casey Jones on an emotional roller coaster if he is of age or a villain however.


As a Marvel and especially a Spidey fan (it's even in my name) I can attest that Spider-Man does INDEED drink. There was even an issue of ASM during the Strazynski run where he and Mary-Jane got giggling drunk in a restaurant. It was quite an amusing scene! So despite common headcanon, yes, he DOES drink! In fact, even Captain America has been known to knock back a beer or two on occasion, though not to the point of passing out soused. (So does Batman, for that matter, as Bruce he often drinks at parties, but usually only a glass or two.)

I can and do see the turtles drinking on occasion, though probably only Raph would do it on the regular, if only because he spends a lot of time hanging out with Casey. They probably keep it to the minimum though, except on rare occasions where they feel completely safe and secure.

[Powder]

This thread was partially responsible for me commissioning Frank Fosco to draw the Vol. 3 turtles having some beers after a fight. Enjoy.

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[snake]

The amount of people in this thread against the turtles drinking is astounding. Who gives a sh*t? It'd be pretty in-character for Raph to get wasted with Casey every once in awhile.

[MikeandRaph87]

Ah, yeah, Lundgren was a notoriously heavy coke user going back to his relationship with Grace Jones back in the 80s. That was a real heartbreaker when I found that out but at the same time it isn't terribly surprising. And like my father, a notorious degenerate, used to say, "Nobody ever gets 'clean', they just get discreet," So there ya go.

Considering that the message of not doing steroids embodied by Ivan Drago would emphasize the actor would be one against actual drug use of any kind. Kind of how Hal Smith who played town drunk Otis Campbell, was a teetotaler his whole life and the message of his character was not to be like the character. I am disappointed to learn Dolph was and may still be cokehead. Being an MIT masters graduate and intellectual I always wondered despite the roles he embodies why he did not pursue a job in science after the mid 90s and his acting credits slowed down significantly.

[neatoman]

Maybe we're getting a little off-topic but since we're talking about Dolph, I might as well share these recent-ish commercial he did for a Swedish online casino.
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Funny thing, my cousin works for that casino.

[Hamato Yoshi]

I heard that even Barbra smoked weed with Sellers once , Presleys body guard Red West also did acid once before it became in

As for TMNT , unless they try like 1990 then were not seeing them drink in a movie......i dont care , i even wish Bond would smoke and slap a womans behind if he feels like it :lol:

Bond is a killer and when you think about it Mirage TMNT wasnt really for kids so.......

I dont have an issue with Dolph , hes nice to people , met him myself few yrs ago......Grace and Jerry Hall prolly did drugs when they lived in Paris , Jones have quite the temper ive heard , she can trash hotel rooms

[Hamato Yoshi]

Maybe mr Miyagi drinks in the first movie cuz hes lonely

[Leo656]

Grace Jones and Dolph mostly broke up because she got all high on coke (or crack, I forget, there was a lot of both floating around in their circle at the time), thought his manager was "holding him hostage" by actually making him go to work once in a while, and showed up with a gun with the intention of murdering one or both of them in "retaliation". So they decided to break it off, and she shredded all of his clothes. Y'know, like a rational person.

These are the things I think of whenever people insist to me that cocaine is just a harmless party drug enjoyed by people who want to make sex more intense. Along with all the other sh*t I've been "privileged" to witness. And it makes me very glad that I was too young in the 80s to really know what the hell was going on around me most of the time.

[Hamato Yoshi]

I did hear about the clothes bonfire but not the rest , he made a wise choice to leave her :ohwell:

[Hamato Yoshi]

Its not like they cant eat other stuff than pizza , in the movie they ate pork chips ;)

Maybe a burger once in a while

Cant really imagine them eating vegetables , maybe Splinter does

[neatoman]

Cant really imagine them eating vegetables , maybe Splinter does

Really?
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I also found videos of a turtle eating a live earthworm and one eating a live goldfish. Not posting them here because they might upset people.

[Hamato Yoshi]

IMO , the turtles prolly need meat in their diet for extra nutrition

[Andrew NDB]

Really?
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I also found videos of a turtle eating a live earthworm and one eating a live goldfish. Not posting them here because they might upset people.

A tortoise is pretty far from a turtle, genetically.

I took videos of my alligator snapper and common snapper eating live rats and big fish a few times.

[Hamato Yoshi]

Considering theyre mutants maybe they need meat in their diets than regular turtles......

[DarkFell]

They're fictional characters that don't clutch human laws or morals tightly onto their shells. Therefore, I'm not going to cry if a couple of shell-backs (or Splinter) have a taste for hard liquor or sake' or the tamer stuff like soda, water, V-8, ect. in the comics or movies.

But unless it's a gritty Netflix adaptation, Inebriated Mutant Ninja Turtles probably won't be a thing.

[pferreira]

The amount of people in this thread against the turtles drinking is astounding. Who gives a sh*t? It'd be pretty in-character for Raph to get wasted with Casey every once in awhile.
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[Candy Kappa]

Considering theyre mutants maybe they need meat in their diets than regular turtles......

most regular turtles are omnivores, ofc the tmnt would be eating meat.

[Andrew NDB]

I know that contradicts my point. I mentioned that because they can’t just train and fight 24-7 but drinking is actually something that can do more harm than good generally speaking. So why include it?

Because it's already there in the source material.

[oldmanwinters]

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[neatoman]

Because it's already there in the source material.

That and the insinuation that they would be drinking "24/7" is absurd. When I made this thread, it wasn't my intention to imply they would have a severe drinking problem, just that they would be shown consuming alcoholic beverages again.

[neatoman]

Maybe they would drink this?
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