Superman: The Man Of Tomorrow Animated Feature (2020)

[ZariusTwo]

Well, I guess it's official, Warner are abandoning their current DC animated universe and starting from scratch

This summer sees the release of Superman: Man of Tomorrow, which finds Clark Kent working as an intern for the Daily Planet and learning on the job how to save the city of Metropolis. Check out an exclusive first look from the film above.

Darren Criss, who can be seen on Netflix this weekend starring in Ryan Murphy's new drama Hollywood, will lead the Superman: Man of Tomorrow cast as the big blue boy scout himself. Zachary Quinto, who got his start playing the murderous supervillain Sylar on NBC's Heroes, will here voice one of the greatest supervillains of all time: Lex Luthor. Alexandra Daddario (San Andreas) will voice Lois Lane.

That's the rundown on the biggest names in Superman's orbit. But Man of Tomorrow will also shine the spotlight on two less famous rogues: Lobo and Parasite. Lobo, an intergalactic bounty hunter who calls himself "the Main Man," will be voiced by Brett Dalton (Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.) while Parasite (a.k.a. Rudy Jones) will be voiced by Ryan Hurst (The Walking Dead). Parasite is one of the most well-named characters in superhero comics: A monster who can literally suck the superpowers and life out of other beings. As such, he's one of the few villains who can actually pose a threat to Superman.

The rest of the voice cast includes Ike Amadi (Mass Effect 3) as fellow superhero Martian Manhunter, Neil Flynn (Scrubs) as Jonathan Kent, and Bellamy Young (Scandal) as Martha Kent. Superman: Man of Tomorrow is directed by Chris Palmer (Voltron: Legendary Defender) and written by Tim Sheridan (The Death of Superman), with Butch Lukic (Justice League, Batman Beyond) serving as supervising producer.

Superman: Man of Tomorrow becomes available on digital video, 4K Ultra combo pack, and Blu-ray combo pack this summer.

https://ew.com/movies/darren-criss-zachary-quinto-superman-animated-movie/

[Autbot_Benz]

Im so sick of every other DC Animated movie being Superman this Batman that Wonder Woman this.

They have a Pantheon of characters yet they always do the holy trinity

[IMJ]

Im so sick of every other DC Animated movie being Superman this Batman that Wonder Woman this.

They have a Pantheon of characters yet they always do the holy trinity

There is a significant number of very strange, sort of "comic book cliche" DC characters, man. I mean, you aren't wrong, but it takes some creative investment to make some of those guys shine. Somehow JLA Unlimited did it....

I would love to see Armageddon 2001 adapted into DC animation.

[oldmanwinters]

There is a significant number of very strange, sort of "comic book cliche" DC characters, man. I mean, you aren't wrong, but it takes some creative investment to make some of those guys shine. Somehow JLA Unlimited did it....

I would love to see Armageddon 2001 adapted into DC animation.

That would could be cool. They would probably mess it up with an 80 feature though.

[sdp]

Everytime they try to do non Batman or JL movies the sales are lower, even big ones like Superman hence why we get the same stuff over and over again. This line has never stuck to a continuity, they did with Nu52 for a while but hasn't it been a while since they also abandoned that?

This line had a lot of potential but it was inconsistent since the beginning, and they've never tried to have any long term plan which is a shame since by now it's been coming out with movies for 15 years..

[PApagreg]

Can't we just get a Superman animated series or something, I'm tired of all of these DTV movies

[LeotheLateBloomer]

It's been almost six years since the end of Beware the Batman. I'm surprised DC hasn't came out with yet another Batman animated series. I'm fine with that since he was getting too much focus. They celebrated his 80th anniversary and went all out with the hosts of DC's Youtube channel gushing over his greatest moments but I don't recall them doing much for Supes'. The Bat needs a break. Superman and Wonder Woman deserve more attention out of the trinity as of right now.

I might give this a look but I still haven't watched Red Son yet.

[Leo656]

Lobo and Parasite sounds kinda promising.

And dude, I'd box my way through an entire senior citizens community to see someone adapt the juicy parts of Armageddon 2001. Throw in "Emerald Twilight" and "Zero Hour" adaptations and I might open the contest up to people who have a vague idea of who and where they are.

I never even thought about it until right now, but dude, I would do things I'm not proud of in exchange for an "Emerald Twilight" adaptation. Now it's gonna bother me forever.

[sdp]

Action cartoons died, I remember how the DC block when we would finally get a bunch of DC cartoons failed miserably. But it's been nearly a decade since then surely there has to be a shift back to action eventually, right?

Can't we just get a Superman animated series or something, I'm tired of all of these DTV movies

They tried to do one before Man of Steel came out but they decided there was no market, so now that they can't even get a superman movie out things are even worse. Even Batman can't get a cartoon nowadays. Justice League Action failing not only spelled the doom for any other DC hero not Batman/Superman, but even the big 2.

It's been almost six years since the end of Beware the Batman. I'm surprised DC hasn't came out with yet another Batman animated series.

Beware the Batman was a novel idea, only watched one episode and it was weird, unsure how the rest of the show was. I think people were just Batman overloaded, after The Batman we got Brave and the Bold immediately and then we got Beware right after B&TB, no time to breath or miss Batman, similar to what happened with TMNT. We are definitely due a new Batman show.

[Galactus]

Lobo and Parasite are obscure characters? I mean Parasite maybe after all anything other than Lex, Brainiac and Zod you kinda get a bit fuzzy with Supes enemies but Lobo was quite the big deal for DC back in the 90s to the point they thought he could beat Woverine in a popularity contest.

[AquaParade]

I'd love to see some animated Vertigo adaptions, while they aren't shying away from the content. I may even forgive the cheap animation were they to nail the other elements.

The Invisibles, Preacher, Before Watchmen, or Shade the Changing Man could all be a lot of fun.

[Autbot_Benz]

I'd love to see some animated Vertigo adaptions, while they aren't shying away from the content. I may even forgive the cheap animation were they to nail the other elements.

The Invisibles, Preacher, Before Watchmen, or Shade the Changing Man could all be a lot of fun.

hell id take an animated Swamp Thing movie too

[Sumac]

IMO, Justice League and BVS poisoned brand to the point that Batman is no longer is a sure-money maker he was for DC throughout the last decade.

[PApagreg]

Action cartoons died, I remember how the DC block when we would finally get a bunch of DC cartoons failed miserably. But it's been nearly a decade since then surely there has to be a shift back to action eventually, right?



They tried to do one before Man of Steel came out but they decided there was no market, so now that they can't even get a superman movie out things are even worse. Even Batman can't get a cartoon nowadays. Justice League Action failing not only spelled the doom for any other DC hero not Batman/Superman, but even the big 2.



Beware the Batman was a novel idea, only watched one episode and it was weird, unsure how the rest of the show was. I think people were just Batman overloaded, after The Batman we got Brave and the Bold immediately and then we got Beware right after B&TB, no time to breath or miss Batman, similar to what happened with TMNT. We are definitely due a new Batman show.
If this was 2017 I would agree with you but now we got tons of more mature action animated series with even Harley Quinn having her own popular tv series.

[CyberCubed]

Young Justice Season 4 is coming, and it's pretty much the only action cartoon DC had for the entire 2010 decade.

[PApagreg]

Young Justice Season 4 is coming, and it's pretty much the only action cartoon DC had for the entire 2010 decade.

Except for Green Lantern, Beware the Batman, Justice League Action and if you want to make a reach DC Superhero girls

[ZariusTwo]

This line has never stuck to a continuity, they did with Nu52 for a while but hasn't it been a while since they also abandoned that?

Not really the line is only now being discontinued with the upcoming Justice League Dark follow-up coming soon

If this was 2017 I would agree with you but now we got tons of more mature action animated series with even Harley Quinn having her own popular tv series.

I wouldn't call Harley Quinn 'mature', it's a black comedy and the best thing about it is Ivy.

[PApagreg]

I wouldn't call Harley Quinn 'mature', it's a black comedy and the best thing about it is Ivy.

Well an animated series meant for adult audiences also you misspelled Bane.

[sdp]

If this was 2017 I would agree with you but now we got tons of more mature action animated series with even Harley Quinn having her own popular tv series.

I said action cartoon, we don't need any more "adult" comedies.

Young Justice Season 4 is coming, and it's pretty much the only action cartoon DC had for the entire 2010 decade.

That's depressing, and the YJ revival was pretty much only done to get hardcore internet fans and shippers into subbing to the DC service and not because they thought it was a good idea.

The original YJ on CN was left to die like the other action DC shows.

[CyberCubed]

It's kind of ironic Teen Titans Season 6 never did happen after all these years. Of any old show that got a revival, you would assume they would bring back the original 2003 series for at least one or two more seasons. I remember there being rumors about it a few years ago but nothing happened. I guess the movie Teen Titans Vs. TT Go is the closest we'll get. I consider it canon.

[PApagreg]

I said action cartoon, we don't need any more "adult" comedies.

I mean its technically both there are a lot of episodes with action scenes

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[Leo656]

I don't know what it is about the Harley Quinn show but I'm not feeling it. I've only seen clips but it's not grabbing me.

For some reason, the same type of humor I enjoy when Robot Chicken uses it in a DC-centric skit, doesn't amuse me as much when it's an "official" product. I'm not sure entirely why that is, I just know that my reaction to A and B is completely different despite the jokes being pretty much the same. All the jokes about sex and bat-f*cking don't come off half as irritating and try-hard within the Robot Chicken framework as they do in this show.

Probably just me, I don't know. Either way, the more I've seen of the Harley show the less I wanna watch it.

[sdp]

I didn't know, the trailers they used to put on my job made it seem like strictly a comedy, it's the image they wanted to portray since I work for the parent company of dc.

It's kind of ironic Teen Titans Season 6 never did happen after all these years. Of any old show that got a revival, you would assume they would bring back the original 2003 series for at least one or two more seasons. I remember there being rumors about it a few years ago but nothing happened. I guess the movie Teen Titans Vs. TT Go is the closest we'll get. I consider it canon.

shippers prefer YJ over TT, also TTG is bigger than the original show, at this point i guess they see no demand sadly.

[neatoman]

I don't know what it is about the Harley Quinn show but I'm not feeling it. I've only seen clips but it's not grabbing me.

For some reason, the same type of humor I enjoy when Robot Chicken uses it in a DC-centric skit, doesn't amuse me as much when it's an "official" product. I'm not sure entirely why that is, I just know that my reaction to A and B is completely different despite the jokes being pretty much the same. All the jokes about sex and bat-f*cking don't come off half as irritating and try-hard within the Robot Chicken framework as they do in this show.

Probably just me, I don't know. Either way, the more I've seen of the Harley show the less I wanna watch it.

My problem with Harley Quinn TAS is that the characters, their dynamic seem to pretty much be whatever the writers want them to be just to make jokes or push the story in a desired direction. Here are some examples:

When introduced, King Shark goes berserk around blood yet seem to either remain calm or get disgusted around blood in later episodes.
Ivy directs Harley to seek out Queen of Fables to learn some important life lessons, yet warns her not to associate with her later on.
Harley is stated to always having been seriously mentally ill, even from early childhood. Yet we're also meant to think she was calm/sane enough between graduating high school and the Joker sessions to earn her doctorate legitmately and make actual progress with some patients.
Bane shifts from being genuinely stupid to a reasonably sensible guy getting belittled quite often.
Lex Luthor tells Ivy that Harley was only invited to join the Legion of Doom in order to pressure Ivy to join, because if she doesn't then Harley doesn't get in either. When Harley is about to get in, Ivy tells her what Lex said but Harley gets in anyway. Harley thinks Ivy was trying to prevent her from finding success and gets mad. In the next episode however, they act as if all the blame was on Harley, even though Harley had more than enough reason to think Ivy lied.
Early in season 2, Harley claims to have no interest in ruling Gotham, but when the A-list villains take over she claims they "stole" her chance to take over.


This sort of thing happens a little too much. I don't really get how they keep doing this, my best guess is that the writers are work from an outline but don't really care about being consistant with eachother.

[PApagreg]

[LIST]
Ivy directs Harley to seek out Queen of Fables to learn some important life lessons, yet warns her not to associate with her later on.

Well that was when QOF was just a book and was relatively harmless and the woman does have good advice.


Harley is stated to always having been seriously mentally ill, even from early childhood. Yet we're also meant to think she was calm/sane enough between graduating high school and the Joker sessions to earn her doctorate legitmately and make actual progress with some patients.

Maybe she was good at hiding it keep in mind she graduated valedictorian and was a great enough gymnast to qualify in the Olympics



Bane shifts from being genuinely stupid to a reasonably sensible guy getting belittled quite often.
Its not that Bane in this show is dumb but he is kinda of a insecure dofus not to say he can see the big picture or make wise statements but sometimes he does dumb things.


Lex Luthor tells Ivy that Harley was only invited to join the Legion of Doom in order to pressure Ivy to join, because if she doesn't then Harley doesn't get in either. When Harley is about to get in, Ivy tells her what Lex said but Harley gets in anyway. Harley thinks Ivy was trying to prevent her from finding success and gets mad. In the next episode however, they act as if all the blame was on Harley, even though Harley had more than enough reason to think Ivy lied.

What reason Ivy hated the LOD, helped Harley get and showed no sense of jealousy in so what reason would Harley think Ivy tried to prevent her into getting in.

[Voltron]

I don't mind the constant reboots. Sometimes it's good. Sometimes it's bad. Comics are mercurial in nature. The constant rewrites and retcons are bound to spill over to other media.

So long as we get a decent story, what's the harm?

As for the pantheon of characters: this is a business we're talking about. And you don't roll out your B material during an economic downturn. Right? So it's just Bats, Supes, and WW for the foreseeable future, I'd guess.

[ZariusTwo]

Maybe she was good at hiding it

Maybe the writers could make it explicit so you don't have to use your imagination?

[neatoman]

Well that was when QOF was just a book and was relatively harmless and the woman does have good advice.

While it is true that being a talking book would prevent you from causing physical harm, it would not prevent you from giving bad advice, like "Make a giant wolf maul children and their entire families to death in order to prevent anyone taking revenge on you" for example.



Maybe she was good at hiding it keep in mind she graduated valedictorian and was a great enough gymnast to qualify in the Olympics

I wasn't going to post this page initially because I know some fans of the Harley Quinn character hate the implication that she did not deserve her doctorate, but it's just about the only way I can accept that someone who was always an unhinged and violent sociopath with low discipline could ever earn a doctorate:
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Either that or a diploma mill like in the 2005 Batman cartoon. I just kind of pretend her progress with Ivy was just regular bonding that did not require much expertise, and that she was incompetent with every other patient. This version of Harley seems like she has such a short fuse that she'd get banned from campus quite quickly.


Its not that Bane in this show is dumb but he is kinda of a insecure dofus not to say he can see the big picture or make wise statements but sometimes he does dumb things.
Sure, I'll accept that.


What reason Ivy hated the LOD, helped Harley get and showed no sense of jealousy in so what reason would Harley think Ivy tried to prevent her into getting in.
Here's the actual scene. Ivy tells Harley that she was only invited to push her into joining, for the expressed purpose of them going off to do their own thing, right before getting accepted despite Ivy herself not joining. From Harley's perspective, what does she see? Her friend trying a last ditch effort to prevent her from getting ahead. It's not accurate but what else would she get from that?
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[Sumac]

Maybe the writers could make it explicit so you don't have to use your imagination?
But otherwise how one can pretend that writing is good? :lol:

[CyberCubed]

I don't even get what that Harley Quinn show even is? Is it an adult comedy? An action cartoon? It looks like something out of Family Guy with DC characters.

Is it supposed to be a parody or a serious cartoon? All the swearing and adult jokes makes it obvious it isn't for kids, but I have no idea what it's for.

[neatoman]

I don't even get what that Harley Quinn show even is? Is it an adult comedy? An action cartoon? It looks like something out of Family Guy with DC characters.

Is it supposed to be a parody or a serious cartoon? All the swearing and adult jokes makes it obvious it isn't for kids, but I have no idea what it's for.

It's a parody. There is an ongoing storyline but all the characters act like comedic exaggerations or subversions of what they normally are.

Clayface is an "actor" who can't pull off a single conving performance.
Ivy is an aloof cynic.
Gordon is an overworked loon.
Bane is an insecure exaggeration of the Tom Hardy version.
Robin fails to be taken seriously despite his best efforts (for obvious reasons).
Kite Man is a total loser who somehow managed to woo Ivy.
Batman is like Alfred's angsty teen son.

I think you get the gist of it.

[Leo656]

And like I said, for reasons I can't fully explain, I find the entire thing off-putting. Even though I pretty much find the exact same stuff very amusing when either of the Seths (MacFarlane or Green) do practically the same jokes.

I don't know exactly why that is. Maybe part of me feels like DC/WB themselves would be better served trying to get their "proper" house in order rather than devoting resources to taking the piss out of everything when there are already shows that do that. I don't know. I really don't. And that's just one theory anyway. Of course, recent developments across the board have made me less tolerant of Harley Quinn in general, anyway. It's amazing how little time it took to turn me from a casual fan of the character, to feeling like I wouldn't care at all if she disappeared forever tomorrow. In fact I kinda think that would suit me just fine.

All I know is that whenever I see a clip of it in my FB feed, I just go "Ugh."
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Kinda like the art style of this Superman gimmick, though, from the little bit I've seen. Pretty "classic".

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

UGGH.

Nope, fvck those "Harley Quinn clips." I like the art style, but character design doesn't impress me and no. No, I hate comedic takes on Batman.

Harley Fvckin' Quinn strikes again. Rake in the money.

[Leo656]

I like the art style

I like that sometimes you can see her buttcrack.

But I'm a huge pervert, so. Y'know.

[PApagreg]

While it is true that being a talking book would prevent you from causing physical harm, it would not prevent you from giving bad advice, like "Make a giant wolf maul children and their entire families to death in order to prevent anyone taking revenge on you" for example.

I mean what she said did happen so while EVIL its not really bad advice.



but it's just about the only way I can accept that someone who was always an unhinged and violent sociopath with low discipline could ever earn a doctorate:

I mean this is the DC Universe how many people share at least 2 of those qualities and have the name Doctor as their villain name heck you can describe the Joker with those terms but he is apparently a genius chemist.



Here's the actual scene. Ivy tells Harley that she was only invited to push her into joining, for the expressed purpose of them going off to do their own thing, right before getting accepted despite Ivy herself not joining. From Harley's perspective, what does she see? Her friend trying a last ditch effort to prevent her from getting ahead. It's not accurate but what else would she get from that?
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I mean the point of that scene is trust maybe Ivy could've word it better but she has been nothing if not supportive whith Harley schemes so maybe Harley could've not brushed her off at the flip of a dime.

I'm not saying the writing is perfect and I agree with two of your points(King Shark and the "Stole bit")

Also seeing how we are doing clips it has weirdly attractive Riddler.

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[sdp]

I don't know what to think of Harley Quinn, the trailers make me believe it'll be a dumb comedy and many seem to confirm my opinon but some people do praise it, maybe i won't know until I watch it. I'm not sure if I'd consider it an action show.

The show doesn't seemt o be SJW influenced but I did find this clip making fun of their target audience:
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Counting harley does seem sexualized, if they do make fun of everyone, it's no issue, comedy should have no barriers and making fun of neckbeards is fun too, if it's only making fun of that specific audience then yeah i can see it being lame comedy

[ZariusTwo]

I don't know what to think of Harley Quinn, the trailers make me believe it'll be a dumb comedy and many seem to confirm my opinon but some people do praise it, maybe i won't know until I watch it. I'm not sure if I'd consider it an action showy

It's alright, the best character is Ivy, I love her relationship with Kite Man.

[AquaParade]

I just crave a comicbook based animated series with impressive animation. I thought that was the whole point of cartoons, but what do I know.

[PApagreg]

I just crave a comicbook based animated series with impressive animation. I thought that was the whole point of cartoons, but what do I know.

You aint getting that with any Marvel cartoons that's for sure funny enough Rise of the TMNT actually fit that mold.

[AquaParade]

You aint getting that with any Marvel cartoons that's for sure funny enough Rise of the TMNT actually fit that mold.

While “Rise...” was still doing something different than the more detailed, yet still luscious animation I want, I’d still take that animation style over what these DC animated films are doing. Definitely impressive in its own right.

[PApagreg]

While “Rise...” was still doing something different than the more detailed, yet still luscious animation I want, I’d still take that animation style over what these DC animated films are doing. Definitely impressive in its own right.

That's one of my biggest problems with the DC movies is that the animation while not bad is kinda bland for a DTV movie. I don't know why would I spend 15$ on a movie when I can buy memberships to a bunch of streaming platforms. This is what a TV show for children can get away with

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[ZariusTwo]

At the end of the new Justice League Dark movie

A flashpoint is pulled to reset the entirety of the N52 DCAU continuity, I'm assuming this universe is what emerges from it

[MsMarvelDuckie]

This is why I can't take DC seriously. They can't even go 5 years anymore without resetting the continuity. It's like they have no idea what to do with their heroes anymore, and just keep rehashing the same old stories over and over, and rebooting the universe as if none of it ever happened. So annoying and confusing.

[CyberCubed]

This is why I can't take DC seriously. They can't even go 5 years anymore without resetting the continuity. It's like they have no idea what to do with their heroes anymore, and just keep rehashing the same old stories over and over, and rebooting the universe as if none of it ever happened. So annoying and confusing.

I mean these movies have all just been loose comic adaptions jumping all over the DC timeline. They're not intended to all be one long continuity besides the ones that are connected. They don't have to "reboot" anything because each new DC movie just adapts something different.

[Leo656]

Trying to force these animated films into a "universe" is the worst thing about half of them. Most of them pre-New 52 were all fine, but ever since "Justice League: WAR" and having them all share the same art style and storylines, most of them are terrible.

The entire point was to bring iconic stories like Superman/Batman: Public Enemies and Dark Knight Returns to life for the benefit of people who maybe don't read comics, or people who do and simply wanted to see them faithfully adapted into another medium, and that's when they were great. The "reimagined" stories that have to mesh with their pseudo-New 52 deal have been mixed-to-lousy, and it really ruined a few that would have been excellent stand-alones, like the Death & Return of Superman ones. "Reboots" aren't the problem. They never should have tried making a series of disconnect one-shot films into a "universe" in the first place, that completely undermined the entire exercise.

Also, Marvel fans lost the high ground to ever complain about continuity woes when things like "Heroes Reborn" and "the entire X-Men line since forever" happened. C'mon.

[neatoman]

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[CyberCubed]

Just watched this, way too bloody and dark for my tastes. Also hilarious how it ends the whole New 52 animated movie line in the dumbest way possible, making all the development over the last 15 movies kinda pointless.

Hopefully all movies going forward are standalone.

[Coola Yagami]

Just watched this, way too bloody and dark for my tastes. Also hilarious how it ends the whole New 52 animated movie line in the dumbest way possible, making all the development over the last 15 movies kinda pointless.

Hopefully all movies going forward are standalone.

To be fair... that's exactly how the New52 Animated Verse started, after Flashpoint created it.

[Leo656]

In giving it a lot of thought, I suppose I'd be fine with some sort of compromise; like, a "universe" of interconnected films always makes sense, so pursuing that in the animated arena is a no-brainer. But it's really ruined or at least damaged a lot of the animated films that SHOULD have been 100% stand-alone, stuff like Judas Contract and the Death/Return of Superman ones.

So I guess what I would be alright with, is if there is a "main" series of animated features that all connect to each other, BUT there would also need to be a firm, hard line drawn regarding some films being completely separate and stand-alone adaptations that are faithful to the original books, which was the entire point of these things in the first place. I know that's technically what they have already been doing since "Justice League: War" but they've been very wishy-washy with it; stuff like Killing Joke was stand-alone (although still kinda lousy), while stuff that SHOULD have been stand-alone like Judas Contract was butchered to fit into their faux-New 52 universe.

Basically, if they're gonna try and have it both ways, then go ahead and do that, but do it in a way that isn't so sloppy. Clearly delineate the Series films from the Stand-Alone ones via a labeling system or something; "DC Animated Universe" or something for the series films and "DC Classics Animated" or something like that for the stuff like Killing Joke or Dark Knight Returns that wouldn't and shouldn't be forced to fit into a larger storyline. That way, they get to have their cake and eat it too, and everybody wins from every angle; all the silly nonsense that they make up that contradicts the comic book stories can go into their animated Universe films, and the "adaptations" like Hush can go back to actually BEING proper adaptations rather than in-name-only bastardizations that entirely miss the point of the original material.

I think that would be a really good way to do it. Like I said, they kinda do it that way already, but they definitely could tighten up the execution across the board, and it wouldn't necessarily take much. I'unno, just something that came to mind while I was ruminating on what I do and don't like out of DC's animated offerings of the last 10 years, and how I'd improve it.

[CyberCubed]

This DC animated movie line started in 2007 with Superman Doomsday, of course they made animated films prior like Mask of the Phantasm and such but those were all for the DCAU cartoons.

Here's the list of all DC animated movies they made, I would start in 2007 when Superman Doomsday came out as that kicked off this movie line that's going to this day. As I said all the previous animated moves like Mr. Freeze: Sub-zero, Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, etc. were all in continuity with the DCAU:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_DC_Comics_publications#Anim ated_films

Scroll down the list, it's actually insane how many movies they've made. Of course I don't count the Lego movies of DC characters, but everything else there I've seen pretty much all of it.

[Leo656]

Man, I gotta watch New Frontier again. Been a while for that one. I remember liking it despite the fact that they trimmed a bit much.

That's another thing that absolutely infuriates me, is the insistence that most of these things be around 70 minutes, when even 90 would be a bit short for most of 'em in order to properly tell the story. I feel like WB not-so-secretly has doubts about their audiences' ability to sit still and pay attention for long periods of time, and their insistence on these things being so short (along with the executive mandate that the live-action Justice League film be no more than 119 minutes, thus clipping two of the better Superman scenes from the film because it would've pushed it to 121 :roll:) speaks to that theory.

[snake]

I don't know why DC didn't just keep the animated adaptations in-line with the DCAU. There would be no new shows going on, so it's not like it would get confusing or anything.

[Leo656]

Probably lots of factors. Being locked in to only one art style would be incredibly limiting, and full-stop, as iconic and functional as it was, the art style was never, ever my favorite. Although it's miles ahead of the New 52-inspired stuff. Also, probably lots of voice actor issues, although that's likely a much lesser problem.

The greatest one would probably be that the JLU cartoons had already contradicted comic book canon so often, to such a degree, that keeping the animated films in line with that would mean at least half of them couldn't happen. Can't have a "Dark Knight Returns" movie in the same universe as Batman Beyond, the canons are entirely contradictory. And like, Doomsday already appeared in the Justice League cartoons, and was done away with without much fuss, SO that means you can't do the Death of Superman arc if it's within the same "universe". And so on and so forth. So if there's ONE reason why that idea wouldn't work, it's probably that.

I get it, the JLU era was by far the strongest and most overall pleasing DC animated stuff, so at a glance, "Just make it all fit in with that" sounds like a solution, but in reality that would just be a completely different kind of clusterf*ck.

[CyberCubed]

Bruce Timm was interviewed about that around 2007-2008 when they started, he was flat out told by the higher up execs at DC to "let the DCAU die." Remember at that point the DCAU had been running continuously from 1992 when B:TAS started all the way till 2006 when JLU ended, which was 14 years. A decade and a half is an insanely long run for one continuity.

They also wanted to do loose adaptions of comic book storylines, and of course there would be no way to fit most of those in with the DCAU.

As with all things that end, give it enough time and people get really nostalgic and want to see revivals. It's the same reason Kevin Conroy stayed on to voice Batman on and off in so many movies and the Arkham videogames since then, they know how much impact nostalgia has. But now its almost 15 years later, so now we're in a weird state where the DCAU is now insanely old and younger fans/kids don't care about it much, and all older fans are in their 30's.

[Leo656]

I mean I, personally, saw great potential in getting away from the DCAU so that other, better art styles could be showcased, but they've been hit-or-miss at best with that. Sometimes you get something good and/or unique and memorable like Public Enemies or New Frontier but a lot of it's been merely serviceable on the art side. But I mean, at least it's mostly different. DCAU is certainly memorable but the Popeye Arms & Chicken Legs thing definitely earned itself a rest a long, long time ago.

I still like it better than some of the newer ones' art style, but that's because a lot of these newer ones seem to misunderstand basic proportional anatomy to the point where it's annoying. Way too much "dudes have chins that are wider than their skulls" stuff. That's not how human heads work, you dumbass. :lol:

[TommyT]

I don't know what it is about the Harley Quinn show but I'm not feeling it. I've only seen clips but it's not...

*It sucks. Let me save you a few syllables. It’s try-hard, like Rise was Tryhard, like Nick is Tryhard. Like the marks here, Tryhard.

Like when you tuck and wear a wig to scream about women’s issues, Tryhard. When you applaud middling talent because it makes you look better, Tryhard. Like banning people for a month because a stock is in the toilet, and you don’t want it mentioned, Tryhard.

[TommyT]

That's one of my biggest problems with the DC movies is that the animation while not bad is kinda bland for a DTV movie. I don't know why would I spend 15$ on a movie when I can buy memberships to a bunch of streaming platforms. This is what a TV show for children can get away with

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Always reference failed or cancelled shows in an argument. It really strengthens your position.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I mean these movies have all just been loose comic adaptions jumping all over the DC timeline. They're not intended to all be one long continuity besides the ones that are connected. They don't have to "reboot" anything because each new DC movie just adapts something different.


Actually, I was referring more to the comics these movies were based on, but no, they can't really keep continuity in the movies, either.

[Leo656]

In the last decade of their comics I'd pretty much agree since they've had, like, three reboots when not even one was necessary. New 52 never should have happened; remove that one, you remove the successive ones. The later ones were only done to fix what that one broke; if they hadn't done that mess, then everything would be fine.

Pre-2011, though, DC only really had one "hard reboot" (Crisis on Infinite Earths) and two "soft" ones: Zero Hour (not even really a reboot at all, so much as "Tying up loose ends from Crisis") and Infinite Crisis (which again, didn't "reboot" anything so much as "retcon" and clean up more past continuity issues). That's really not too bad at all, considering.

If New 52 had never happened, we'd still only have one "real" DC reboot in 80 years. And any sane person will agree that New 52 was horrible, so it's kinda "preaching to the choir" on that one. Yeah, "Convergence" and "Rebirth" and whatever's coming later this year is all pretty excessive and ridiculous, but if you remove New 52 from the equation entirely and just leave well enough alone, then none of the other crap happens, either.

It's just that implying DC's continuity is and forever has been a mess is false and an over-simplification. They've generally been very good about continuity and keeping it straight, or at least explaining inconsistencies in a creative way. It's not entirely fair to make blanket statements based on the past 10 years of mismanagement. Everyone pretty much agrees by now that New 52 was a mistake, and that their attempts to sop up the sh*t has instead just smeared it even more, but before that they were fine.

[sdp]

I pretty much stopped caring after New 52, what reboots have they done since then?

I never understood New 52 since it was only another "somethings from the past are canon but not all", especially when it came to Batman being young but still having like 10 different robins, it was bound to be a mess. I remember reading that Classic Wally would be coming back and there was the whole watchmen being in DC comics now but never dwelled much into what happened.

[Leo656]

I pretty much stopped caring after New 52, what reboots have they done since then?

I never understood New 52 since it was only another "somethings from the past are canon but not all", especially when it came to Batman being young but still having like 10 different robins, it was bound to be a mess. I remember reading that Classic Wally would be coming back and there was the whole watchmen being in DC comics now but never dwelled much into what happened.


Ehhhhh, "Watchmen" still happened in its own universe, they just did a cross-over. It's not like Watchmen is technically "DCU canon" any more than Silver Surfer is just because he once met Kyle Rayner. So it's not like they're "in the DC Universe" so much as "two universes owned by the same company had a cross-over", which happens all the time. It was only made a big deal of because it's Watchmen and therefore sacrosanct.

New 52 was DC giving up when Final Crisis and "World Of New Krypton" didn't set the world on fire with their sales as expected. Those were their "Big Guns" that were supposed to do huge business for the company, and they didn't. Not knowing how to top them, or what to do otherwise, they just said "F*ck it, start over." Which was very stupid and a total panic move, but hey... DiDio and WB.

The general idea behind the execution of New 52 itself was, "Make DC more like Marvel Comics so Marvel fans will jump over," or that people who'd never read comics at all would feel safe jumping in with a "blank slate". But it didn't work because you can't cross-pollinate between comic book companies any more than you can with wrestling companies; people watch their preferred show/brand for a reason. When WCW went out of business, their 10 million fans didn't start watching WWF instead, they just quit watching wrestling. They hated the WWF product, that's why they watched WCW. Same thing. Marvel fans like Marvel. They won't suddenly jump ship and pledge loyalty to DC because they become "Marvel-Lite", that's never happening. And we've seen that, now. That's what DC was hoping for, that they'd steal a big chunk of Marvel fans, but it absolutely did not work. SOME Marvel fans checked in out of curiosity and some of them even liked what they saw, but they eventually got bored and went back to their own sandbox, as expected. And that's perfectly fine; like I said, very few fans of one company are ever gonna "jump ship" and even fewer like both companies equally; they appeal to different fans for entirely different reasons. Always WAS the case, always will be the case.

New 52 was a failure before it happened because 1. It was a total desperation move made out of sales panic rather than storytelling reasons, and 2. "Make DC appeal to Marvel fans" was an inherently flawed and stupid idea to even attempt. For every one Marvel fan who picked up a DC book for the first time, they lost 50 loyal DC readers, and then most of the curious Marvel fans and casual non-comic book readers all went away very quickly, but the old DC fans didn't come back, and now they're all screwed up and don't know WHAT to do.

As you mentioned, stuff like "Batman and Green Lantern books sell, so we won't go full-reboot with them" definitely made it bumpy and messy. But the whole thing never should have even been attempted in the first place. "Brightest Day"-era was going fine, it just wasn't making boat loads of money. But it was better than anything they've since tried to replace it with, that's an absolute certainty.

The BEST thing they could do would be have Waverider or Booster Gold wake up and declare everything since 2010 was a bad dream, and pick up immediately where they were pre-Flashpoint. That's literally the only good thing they could do, but there's a ton of reasons why they won't and can't do that. But they should. Anything else is a Band-Aid on a bazooka hole.

As far as "other reboots" since New 52: "Convergence" was supposed to make all the different and conflicting DC timelines and continuities make sense, but instead they made it a lot worse by declaring the ending of "Crisis" never happened because they went back and stopped the Anti-Monitor from ever destroying the Multiverse, and that was stupid and annoyed a lot of people. So THEN they just sort of said "never mind" and had "Rebirth" happen, which is essentially, "Dr. Manhattan got bored and screwed up the DCU and that's why everything is screwy now", which allowed some wiggle room for the characters and concepts people liked from pre-Flashpoint to creep back in. But it's still a total mess, story-wise.

Again, it's like trying to clean up dog sh*t with a dry piece of newspaper. You're just making a bigger mess. Don't let the dog sh*t on the floor.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

In the last decade of their comics I'd pretty much agree since they've had, like, three reboots when not even one was necessary. New 52 never should have happened; remove that one, you remove the successive ones. The later ones were only done to fix what that one broke; if they hadn't done that mess, then everything would be fine.

Pre-2011, though, DC only really had one "hard reboot" (Crisis on Infinite Earths) and two "soft" ones: Zero Hour (not even really a reboot at all, so much as "Tying up loose ends from Crisis") and Infinite Crisis (which again, didn't "reboot" anything so much as "retcon" and clean up more past continuity issues). That's really not too bad at all, considering.

If New 52 had never happened, we'd still only have one "real" DC reboot in 80 years. And any sane person will agree that New 52 was horrible, so it's kinda "preaching to the choir" on that one. Yeah, "Convergence" and "Rebirth" and whatever's coming later this year is all pretty excessive and ridiculous, but if you remove New 52 from the equation entirely and just leave well enough alone, then none of the other crap happens, either.

It's just that implying DC's continuity is and forever has been a mess is false and an over-simplification. They've generally been very good about continuity and keeping it straight, or at least explaining inconsistencies in a creative way. It's not entirely fair to make blanket statements based on the past 10 years of mismanagement. Everyone pretty much agrees by now that New 52 was a mistake, and that their attempts to sop up the sh*t has instead just smeared it even more, but before that they were fine.



Yeah, I agree on most of this, was mostly meaning the "modern" era post-Infinite Crisis, or really post-New 52. Ever since then, they seem to be retcon and reboot happy, and it's such a mess I don't see how they can even keep any of it straight anymore.

Granted, Marvel has had their share of retcon snafus, (cough, One More Day, cough) but most of their reboot material has just been minor tweaks. Nothing as major as an entire reset of the past 60 years or so, so much as updating some heroes' stories.

[Leo656]

Even Infinite Crisis didn't really "hurt" anything or change anything MAJOR in the DCU; the biggest casualty/change was that Superman's John Byrne origin was thrown out completely once and for all, so that Geoff Johns's "Secret Origin" could replace it. Most of the rest of the DCU was almost exactly the same except for a tweak here and a tweak there. I mean, yeah, they brought the Multiverse back, but it wasn't as messy and screwy as the Pre-Crisis Multiverse, and they were already using "Hypertime" for years before that as a way to sneak in some of the "alternate reality" stuff, anyway. So even that wasn't as big of a deal as they made it out to be. Ultimately, not a lot changed in the DCU post-Infinite Crisis, they just cleaned up more loose ends, which is an unfortunate necessity of mainstream comics.

Frankly, the stuff DC put out between 2004 and 2009 was far and away some of the best stuff I'd ever read from them, while 2000-2003 was some of the worst. So Infinite Crisis helped a lot more than it hurt, as far as I and many are concerned. The event wasn't the problem at all, it was that less than five years later it "didn't matter" anymore, after all the work that went into it. Infinite Crisis created a great version of the DCU, which they sh*tcanned and replaced with a much sh*ttier version, for very bad and shortsighted reasons.

I generally don't think "hard reboots' are ever necessary. "Crisis on Infinite Earths" was a specific case and a rare one where I'd say that "Let's just start over" was justified. Especially since it gave us the best-ever version of Superman, who'd been pretty much a joke by 1985. And if "Crisis" was a bad story, I'd be more pissy about its existence, because whenever you do a "hard reboot", you throw out all the bad stories but you also lose some good ones, and that always sucks. But DC's continuity had become so badly tangled up by 1985 that Crisis really was necessary.

After that, though, I think the occasional "pruning" that they'd done every 10 years or so with stuff like "Zero Hour" and "Infinite Crisis" was more than enough to keep things smooth. Pruning, not cutting down the entire tree and planting a new one. You don't do that unless it's absolutely necessary. New 52 was not at all necessary.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I feel the same way about One More Day/Brand New Day, Spider Island, and Secret Wars II, among a few others. Especially the combining/killing off of universes Marvel did a few years ago, just to have their own, CoIE type event to prune down the number of heroes. On one hand, a lot of it would never have been necessary if they hadn't been trying to constantly one-up themselves with big event after big event, like Secret Invasion, Spider Island, and the like. I pretty much gave up around that time, mostly due to lack of funds and the fact that I hardly recognized "my" universe anymore.

Thor as a woman? Doc Oc in Peter's body? M-J getting powers? (The last one I was kind of cool with, but eh.) Or Tony handing over the Iron-Man suit to a girl? Nope, not right. Same goes for a lot of the other changes over the past decade. It's like they're TRYING to drive all the ling-term fans away.

[Leo656]

It's amazing how many popular franchises we're seeing that with, isn't it? And it's a very recent trend, too. Because as we've seen in the past, as in say, 15 or 20-ish years ago, you can present a long-running franchise in ways that both appeals to old and new fans, but it's only been in the last 5-10 years that we've seen it unilaterally become, "We only want new fans. Old fans can f*ck right off because they're old". This dismisses the fact that older fans have a lot more emotional investment in the brand(s) they follow AND a lot more disposable income on average, but hey, I never said marketing people were smart. Because marketing people are not smart, they're manipulative, which is much different.

Let's take a look at just a few popular brands that have had at least two "relaunches" or at least retoolings in the last 20 years and see how they compare insofar as how they're marketed, presented, and/or spoken of towards the fans by the Powers That Be, beginning with one specific example:

- Star Wars 1999 (Prequel Era): "We want to give older fans some backstory on the movies they grew up loving, as well as give their children a trilogy of 'their own'. We want to unite generations with the Star Wars franchise!"

- Star Wars 2015-Now (Sequel Era): "We want women and young, socially 'woke' people. If you're a man, or an older fan, we don't really care about you, and in fact would prefer you go somewhere else because you're toxic."

That's a specific and recent and prominent example, but you can also see it in, for example, the He-Man relaunch in 2003 vs. the She-Ra relaunch in 2018 or whatever, and the TMNT 2003 relaunch vs. "Rise" today. "Back in the day", relaunched or retooled brands were still welcoming to fans of the original or older versions, and tried very hard to straddle the line between Old and New. Today's standard is, "If you're an older fan, we want nothing to do with you." Same sentiment was prominent with the New 52 in DC, and from what I've seen online it's been the case over at Marvel, too. I don't understand it, but a person would have to be blind not to see it.

Like you, I don't quite understand the forceful urge to drive away existing fans in the hope of making new ones, OTHER than, most of the pen-holders right now are incredibly liberal, and to liberals, "old" means "out-of-touch and 'problematic'," so at the risk of overly-politicizing the issue, it would be silly to think that has NOTHING to do with it at all. It most likely has a lot to do with it, frankly.

If *I* were a corporation, I would try and play to both sides of the aisle and try to keep my existing fans happy while also courting the younger crowd, but at some point in recent years some genius decided that it had to be an all-or-nothing game. You can see the results as these retooled and rebooted versions of once-popular things continue to flame out time and time again, leaving all the pen-holders scratching their heads and wondering what they did wrong.

And you can tell them what went wrong over and over again; they simply won't listen. That's ultimately the problem, the holier-than-thou, "We know what our audience SHOULD want, so we don't have to listen to them when they tell us what they DO want" mentality that exists at the top these days.

[TurtleTitan97]

Doc Oc in Peter's body?

Actually from what I've heard, the Superior Spider-Man story arc was actually pretty well liked. Still need to get around to reading it.

[ZariusTwo]

Actually from what I've heard, the Superior Spider-Man story arc was actually pretty well liked. Still need to get around to reading it.

The people who like Superior are edgelords who think they're older in the head than they actually are.That story is garbage and you're better off not reading it. It's a thoroughly cold mean-spirited tale that does everything but prop up Otto and makes everyone else out to be an imbecile who can't see through his subterfuge, and does nothing but routinely kick Peter along the road like an old can.

You're better off reading Nick Spencer's run. When the man best known for making Steve Rogers a Nazi can fix Spidey in three years when Marvel couldn't in ten, you know you done goofed with the likes of Slott.

[Leo656]

Gotta say, never read it but it's intrigued me on a conceptual level.

When I was, like, 3, before I had a strong DC preference, Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and Hulk were my "Big 4". The latter two kinda dropped off but I remained loosely interested in Spider-Man, particularly when Venom and later Carnage came along. I collected DC books and my Dad collected Marvel so I'd usually read his Spider-Man books, but then the Clone Garbage happened and we both stopped caring very early on in that.

Since then, I only picked up Spider-Man again for "The Other", which was... something. And out of curiosity and a recommendation I picked up "Reign", which was... also something. :lol: That was twice in a row that someone recommended I check a Spider-Man story out and I didn't really care much for it, so I've been pretty gun-shy ever since.

I check out what people are saying sometimes about this or that story, just out of curiosity, and frankly, much of the last 20 years sounds just dreadful. So I'unno. I kinda just play the Spider-Man video games, now, it's safer. :trazz:

[ZariusTwo]

I check out what people are saying sometimes about this or that story, just out of curiosity, and frankly, much of the last 20 years sounds just dreadful. So I'unno. I kinda just play the Spider-Man video games, now, it's safer. :trazz:

The latest game progressed the character far more than the regular comics have in a long time. It is the best mainstream representation of him out there at the moment now that the newspaper strip and the Renew Your Vows book is done. They even teased something based off that abandoned 80s pitch of Felicia having Peter's baby for one of the game's side-missions!

Spencer's run is great, but the general reception feels like most are only hanging onto it just to see if he'll ever 'fix' OMD, if it turns out the whole thing is just one big **** tease it'll hurt it in retrospect.

As for Clone Saga, I have a lot of love and respect for it...it was the last time Marvel truly advanced the characters and Ben Reily to me was a superstar in the making as the Scarlet Spider...then they made him Spidey and the magic fizzled, and from there you were counting down the day 'till Peter returned. The saga led to Spider-Girl though, which to me remains the definitive conclusion to the whole Spider-Man story and was a fun book I would recommend tracking down.

[Leo656]

I didn't play that one yet, I don't have a PS4.

I fell in love with Web of Shadows a couple'a years back, though. Before that I really liked the one with the four Spideys... Shattered Dimensions, I think? That was really good. People bitch about any Spider-Man game that's not open-world but I thought that game was terrific and fun for what it was, which was "something different". As good as the open-world ones I've played are, there's a "same-ness" to most of them that makes me not immediately reject any game that strays from that formula. Like most criticism I've seen about that one was, "Why bother? It's not open-world" and that's hardly fair.

If/when I do get a PS4, it's on the list, but who knows with all that's going on in the world.
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Clone Saga..... ehh. To me, if Dan Jurgens throws up his hands and says "I can't make this work", then it probably ain't gonna work. :trazz: I mean.... Dan Jurgens, man. He's the industry's "We broke this... you fix it" guy. And he couldn't fix it! :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

If/when I do get a PS4, it's on the list, but who knows with all that's going on in the world.

You'll love it, it's great fun. I won't spoil the story but it's definitely a worthwhile one.

[Leo656]

Am I drinking White Claw and wearing a pink tank top, son? Do I look like the kinda guy who cares about Spoilers? :lol: I encourage that sh*t, it's saved me a lot of time and money over the years, as well as encouraged me to look at things I otherwise never would have given a chance. I love Spoilers. Half the stuff I own is stuff I already read all about and went, "Huh... that sounds very intriguing", and I was not disappointed. Fact is, I'm almost never disappointed in the media I consume, because I generally know exactly what I'm in for beforehand. It's only when I don't listen to my gut and give something a chance that already sounded terrible that I'm disappointed. And then it's my fault. "You knew exactly how that chick Ghostbusters movie went and you watched it anyway! Your fault, dumbass!" :lol:

Actually, it was my wife's fault, because she insisted, but yeah. I knew it was gonna be terrible because I read all about it first. And then it was terrible. She knows there's no forgiveness on my end, it's just sort of something we live with, now.

Anyways yeah, no, I don't care, Spoilers are awesome.

[Turo602]

Spider-Man in Spider-Man PS4 is everything MCU Spider-Man isn't, which is Spider-Man. God, I hate that sentence. But it does absolutely capture at least my idea of who Spider-Man is and the story is so good that I actually cared about everything Peter was going through and feeling at the end of the game. The only thing I really didn't care for was Miles and the way they set him up for the sequel disappoints me because I only care about Peter Parker as Spider-Man and these days it feels like Miles is being shoved into everything Spider-Man.

Game-wise though, the game is extremely polished and feels incredible to play, but it falls into all the same trappings of previous open-world Spider-Man games and can be quite dull in certain areas, like boss fights, repetitive tasks and missions, and unnecessary stealth sequences as other characters. It's nothing groundbreaking or amazing like most people pretend it is, it's just a triple A quality version of what's been done already.

I don't get the love for open world Spider-Man games. I mean, sure, Spider-Man in New York, it makes sense. But I feel like people who get a hard on for open-world Spider-Man just love the fact that you can swing around and not actually play the game. Just like how people play GTA just to blow sh*t up. The formula really needs tweaking, which is why I absolutely enjoyed Web of Shadows and The Amazing Spider-Man. They didn't feel like the typical open-world Spider-Man game because one is overrun by symbiote and the other is more a less just a hub world to play around in between the traditional linear levels.

Shattered Dimensions was great too and while Edge of Time wasn't as good, it was very entertaining, and both games definitely brought me back to the days of Spider-Man on PS1. I see the appeal of keeping Spider-Man games open, but games like Shattered Dimensions really show the potential of ditching the overused New York setting and taking Spider-Man to unique locations with traditionally designed levels.

[Leo656]

I generally agree very strongly with much of what you say. This has been one of those times.

[PApagreg]

You know with digital purchasing being more of a thing I wish the DC movies would either

Appear in the DC Universe streaming service for free or have better production values because I really don't see myself paying 20$ for this movie.

[snake]

I thoroughly enjoyed the initial Superior Spiderman run. Yeah, Otto's a complete dick. That's the fun in it. The ending wasn't very good, but for awhile it was enjoyable. Come to think of it, the Marvel NOW era had some pretty decent stuff going on. Hickman's Avengers, Superior Spiderman, Thor -- all great runs.

[ZariusTwo]

I actually love how the overall Superior Spider-Man saga and One More Day have the exact same ending

[Leo656]

Enough with your insider shoot comments, Russo, us casual marks don't know what you're on about. :trazz:

[ZariusTwo]

Enough with your insider shoot comments, Russo, us casual marks don't know what you're on about. :trazz:

My apologies bro...I mean Mr. Cornette...bro.:lol:

Nah, I'm just talking about what happened to Otto after Slott's Superior Spider-Man ended, when he came back using a back-up of his consciousness stored in an Octo-bot and he wound up being revived in a clone body by The Jackal (aka Scarlet Spider) that was young, athletic etc. He went on to be Superior Spider-Man again until he ran into an alternate universe Norman Osborn who exposed him publicly and threatened his girlfriend, so Otto made a deal with Mephisto to restore his original body and make him evil again so he could stop Osborn.

[Leo656]

:lol: "Well god dammit, son, that's the most cuckoo-bananas load'a bullsh*t I ever heard since that dumb beaver Becky Lynch got herself knocked up while makin' a million dollars a year! The hell's wrong with her? An' not fer nothin' but how the hell's Seth gonna knock anybody up with a pecker like a half'eaten Tic-Tac inna first place? F*CK Joey Janela, that impotent little piss-ant! Back in my day we'da dragged that little prick out back an' took turns knockin' his dick stiff!"

How was that? Was that good? :lol:

[snake]

Meh, not enough mentions of outlaw mudshows and cosplay wrestlers.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Action cartoons died, I remember how the DC block when we would finally get a bunch of DC cartoons failed miserably. But it's been nearly a decade since then surely there has to be a shift back to action eventually, right?

Wasn't that because of the Children's Television Act entering full force?

[Sumac]

Writers relying on Deus Ex Machina to return to the status quo is one of my most hated tropes EVER.

I don't really understand how one can have so little imagination.

It's the same as ending every story by intervention of an army of the good guys all of a sudden.

[Leo656]

Meh, not enough mentions of outlaw mudshows and cosplay wrestlers.

Yeah, but the "F*ck Janela" stuff was on point, though. :lol:

RIKKI ROXX TRIVIA: I beat him in my first singles match ever, in a non-Title match when he was NWS Cruiserweight Champion. I earned a shot at his belt, which he conveniently lost to someone else the next night, and we never had another 1-on-1 match again. :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

I earned a shot at his belt, which he conveniently lost to someone else the next night, and we never had another 1-on-1 match again. :lol:

Didn't they give you a shot at the belt anyway? That's kind of messed up you earn a contendership and they don't deliver on it even with a new champion.

[Leo656]

Eventually. Way, way, way later on. :lol:

I don't know how to tell you this but there's no official record keeping or ranking system. :trazz:

[ZariusTwo]

Eventually. Way, way, way later on. :lol:

I don't know how to tell you this but there's no official record keeping or ranking system. :trazz:

Try as some might (AEW, TNA circa 2010) :P

[MsMarvelDuckie]

My apologies bro...I mean Mr. Cornette...bro.:lol:

Nah, I'm just talking about what happened to Otto after Slott's Superior Spider-Man ended, when he came back using a back-up of his consciousness stored in an Octo-bot and he wound up being revived in a clone body by The Jackal (aka Scarlet Spider) that was young, athletic etc. He went on to be Superior Spider-Man again until he ran into an alternate universe Norman Osborn who exposed him publicly and threatened his girlfriend, so Otto made a deal with Mephisto to restore his original body and make him evil again so he could stop Osborn.


Sweet Mother, am I glad I gave up on that shitefest before it went too far. I mean, the CONCEPT was intriguing, but I knew after only reading the first couple of issues of that arc that it was gonna end in a clusterf**k. And apparently I was right. And I hate that. Pretty much sums up my feelings on virtually everything since OMD. The few bright spots since that travesty have been minor, at best- Mr. Negative, Anti-Venom, Renew, and a few side-plots and other minor characters. (I really enjoyed that female speed-skater with the helmet-cam robbing banks and doing parkour all over the place, but she sadly disappeared quickly. Same goes for that adrenaline junkie, Spidey-fan car thief/racer. Yeah, I am going waaay back for those two, but they were two of the very few highlights post OMD.) Sadly, most of what I've flipped through since then has been- sub-par, at best, or just plain depressingly dumb. (I could go on a rant here about Kamala, too, but she's another issue....)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Actually from what I've heard, the Superior Spider-Man story arc was actually pretty well liked. Still need to get around to reading it.


Not by any fans with a shred of dignity or respect for the characters, it ain't.

[Autbot_Benz]

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[Leo656]

Doesn't look too bad. Definitely some questionable decisions there but altogether I'm intrigued.

The art style is a definite throwback, reminds me in ways of the Ruby-Spears cartoon's art style. I kinda dig that.

I'm baffled by things like having Lobo be a part of Superman's origin story, but oh-kay, I guess we can do that. My wife's a huge Lobo mark so I know she'll be happy with the entire movie just because he's in it.

I kinda don't need yet another Superman origin story in my life but I just realized that for as many of these DC animated movies that they've done, they haven't really done that story in this arena yet, so I guess they're "allowed", it's just... it's like the guy does OTHER stuff besides just show up, learn he's Superman and then unveil himself. :lol: It's like most writers nowadays have little to no idea what to do next with him. But ah well.

I'll definitely check it out, looks better than some of the other recent DC Animated stuff. I hate that goofy belt, though.

[ZariusTwo]

https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2020/07-JUL/SMOT_Still_75_5f166e12f2e5e8.93496478.jpg

https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2020/07-JUL/Superman%20Tomorrow%20PUB-02_5f166e388c85e4.26709838.jpg

https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2020/07-JUL/Superman%20Tomorrow%20PUB-18_5f166e6756e357.68906266.jpg

And please know that we?ve seen your comments. Your criticisms. Your questions.

We?ve also seen your excitement and your anticipation. So yes, in this world, the ?S? stands for ?Superman.? And the trunks are back. Just wait. There?s more.

You?re ready for a new journey, one of unexpected delights and vision. Buckle up.

You?ll see it all soon enough.

https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2020/07/21/a-new-hero-takes-flight-in-superman-man-of-tomorrow

[Leo656]

Oh, yeah? :lol:

Screenwriter Tim Sheridan (Reign of the Supermen) has drawn inspiration from a variety of DC sources?Superman: American Alien and Superman: Birthright, with a touch of several others

That was a bad animated film, and those are two bad comic book stories. :ohwell:

This will still probably be pretty good. Just saying, it's like saying you can't be racist because you have a black friend, and come to find out it's Bryant Gumble. :lol: You're not winning anyone over by bragging about sh*t like that, y'know?

Probably pretty good. But geez, talk about saying the exact wrong things to get me enthusiastic. If that blurb was all I had to go by and I hadn't seen any footage, I'd be pissed.

[Autbot_Benz]

Ryan Hurst who was Opie in Sons of Anarchy is voicing Lobo that's perfect. He traded in his motorcycle for a space hog I love it

[Autbot_Benz]

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[ZariusTwo]

We have confirmation this movie begins the next DC animated universe

https://www.cbr.com/superman-man-of-tomorrow-new-dc-animated-universe/

[IMJ]

I'm looking forward to this one.....

[ZariusTwo]

CBR are apparently now saying it doesn't launch a new universe

[CyberCubed]

I'd rather all these movies be standalone than building another universe.

[IMJ]

I think I read last night that they cancelled the screenings of this in their virtual con for some reason.

Maybe to avoid piracy?

[ZariusTwo]

I think I read last night that they cancelled the screenings of this in their virtual con for some reason.

Maybe to avoid piracy?

Considering that the Flash season seven and Snyder cut trailers have leaked, it was a wise move.