Disney is in deep ****

[neatoman]

Disney's profit plunged 91% last quarter as its parks closed their doors

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/05/media/disney-earnings-q2-2020-coronavirus/index.html

Edit:
Conference Call Confirms Disney Plus is a Disaster

http://archive.is/A3hGN

[Candy Kappa]

Maybe Plus should have been worldwide from the get-go, it’s still not available in Norway

[neatoman]

Well, there are other problems with Disney+ aside from not being entirely worldwide. Such as a general lack of original programming and bizarre editing of old material.

The most notable original material they made for the platform are the Mandalorian (which I'm told starts off promising but quickly degrades into garbage) and the seventh season of Clone Wars (which I liked but is obviously not going to lead into a season 8.). Then the upcoming stuff are a bunch of mini-series starring the lesser MCU characters (which makes me think they're based on pitches not good enough to made into movies), another Star Wars show and yet another. And any movies made for it just look uninteresting as **** so far, and the upcoming stuff includes TWELVE remakes.

Cheaper by the Dozen (Already remade once before)
Diary of a Wimpy Kid
Father of the Bride
Home Alone (which has those kinds of sequels that might as well be remakes)
Lilo & Stitch
Night at the Museum
The Parent Trap (already has a remake)
Robin Hood (which will obviously have the same problem as the Lion King remake)
SpaceCamp
Splash
The Sword in the Stone
Three Men and a Baby

Also, 5 of these I never even heard of before taking a look at what's coming down the pipeline.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm a little confused about how Disney+ could be "costing them billions." Beyond producing original content, what exactly is the overhead for them just offering Disney+ to subscribers? I can't imagine it'd be even one billion.

[TurtleTitan97]

The most notable original material they made for the platform are the Mandalorian (which I'm told starts off promising but quickly degrades into garbage)

With all due respect, whoever told you that was full of bantha dung. Mando is awesome.

[Redeemer]

I'm a little confused about how Disney+ could be "costing them billions." Beyond producing original content, what exactly is the overhead for them just offering Disney+ to subscribers? I can't imagine it'd be even one billion.

Royalty fees? IT maintenance? Staffing? Fat Cat salaries? Production of New Series like Loki? I am not sure why it would cost them so much either :ohwell: It does say in the second article that only 1/5 of Disney+ subscribers are paying members. Maybe they are counting that???

[Jester]

I sub to Disney+ mainly for the extensive Disney backlog. The exclusives are only really a bonus. I assume I'm not alone in seeing the service as essentially a virtual Disney Vault. My only real problem with it is that there's so much old stuff that is left off, and a lot of it probably wouldn't cost a heck of a lot to put on there....they practically own all media.

[Sumac]

This is where it goes very interesting.
No wonder Iger had returned.

[sdp]

$1.4 billion is not a big loss for a company as big as Disney, it really isn't much, Disney is not in any trouble. Also you guys could actually read the quarter reports instead of reading clickbait titles from websites. Disney + is a success, AT&T can only wish to do half as well with their HBO Max as Disney is doing with Disney +. Now that one I see is going to be a huge failure, they have huge expectations but aren't putting half the work that Disney did. Disney + is costing money but they see it as an investment, any new product is going to be a loss for most companies, you have to make up for the R&D/equivalent that was done for the whole project.

Disney was due for a downturn now that the MCU is over for the average person (it'll still do great but it has hit its pique), their star wars strategy didn't plan out and they hurt the brand and they can't continue to rely on the things that made them so successful the past decade, not even bringing Iger back which I have no idea why he would come back, surely he's intelligent enough to see this. Still, Disney will be doing just fine, so just buy some cheap stock right now if anything, it's going to be doing great sooner rather than later.

I'm a little confused about how Disney+ could be "costing them billions." Beyond producing original content, what exactly is the overhead for them just offering Disney+ to subscribers? I can't imagine it'd be even one billion.

Oh, the infrastructure a lone is very costly, not taking into account many other factors like royalties, maintenance, advertising. They only save on licensing.

[Papenbrook]

Oh no.

So many workers will be fired. I can bet my money on it.

[Wildcat]

They’re not.

The parks will be fine once things return to normal (which will take awhile) and any article using a headline “So and so is a disaster” with a photoshopped picture on fire just wants attention.

I don’t have Disney Plus. There’s too many streaming services but this is a separate problem.

[IndigoErth]

If Disney+ has already run into trouble despite having a global lock down not that long after their debut and keeping many at home watching a lot more tv... well, I don't even know what to say. :ohwell:

Maybe people are getting burned out on the amount of streaming services there are. A person can subscribe only to so much.

[snake]

Music to my ears.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I'm hoping they add more of their old stuff, like some of the LA movies from the golden years. I have the Disney Movie Club membership, which gave me access to some of my old faves from way back, but we also have the D+ to watch newer series, streaming-only content, and a few that I don't feel like buying outright, but still want to watch. (Looking at you, Descendants....) I kind of feel like this is just one of those minor hiccups that happen to every big idea, and it seems to be coinciding with our current crisis, which tells me it's more of a timing snafu, so there's that.

[CyberCubed]

Disney is not in trouble, lol

This statistic contains data on the total assets of the Walt Disney Company from the fiscal year 2006 to the fiscal year 2019. In 2019, the Walt Disney Company held assets worth a total of over 193.98 billion U.S. dollars.Nov 18, 2019

As of November 2019, Disney had 193.98 billion dollars. Even though we're now 5 months later, and even with Covid-19, I seriously doubt their 193+ BILLION went bye bye. I doubt they even lost half of that.

[Warhorse]

If Disney+ has already run into trouble despite having a global lock down not that long after their debut and keeping many at home watching a lot more tv... well, I don't even know what to say. :ohwell:

Maybe people are getting burned out on the amount of streaming services there are. A person can subscribe only to so much.

I agree with this assessment. I myself will subscribe to something in spurts. Right now I'm with Netflix to catch up on Narcos and waiting for Stranger Things to return. As for Disney plus, there was never really anything on it for me to be interested in, so never bothered. I was getting excited about the possible Obi Wan series, but then that was put on the back burner, so again, lost all interest in Disney plus.

[Mayhem]

There were a lot of free trials and half price yearly subs handed out, so that might be something. Have to see what translates to full price subs.

[Andrew NDB]

Still skeptical of this. The probability of people subscribing to Disney+ shot up about 2000% when this... situation we're all in happened.

[TommyT]

Disney is fine. Stop watching Midnights Edge and the like. They’re profiting off of your ignorance.

[Allio]

Disney isn’t fine. The whole Disney parks being shut down is enough to prove that as they are the biggest money maker.

[Leo656]

I mean, I can't see them being "in deep sh*t" but I can definitely see them sweating, especially at the long-term prospects. That Star Wars park they tried to do was apparently off to a very shaky start, and people have been complaining about the expense and inconvenience of going to Disney theme parks for ages, now.

The pandemic situation exacerbates all of that, because "social distancing", in some form or other, is not going away, which means at the very least there will be some sort of federal mandate declaring "only X number of people allowed in at a time", which is going to cost them money. I just read something earlier today about the airline industry being f*cked for the next five to ten years over this situation, which means less people traveling from all over the world to go to Disney parks and stay in Disney hotels. And the scary thing nobody wants to really talk about: The fact that MOST of the jobs that people are presently laid off from are not coming back, EVER, and that we're looking down the barrel of not another Recession, but a Depression, even if things magically snap back to "normal" tomorrow, which they won't. It's already too late to prevent it. Half the country's going to be out of work for the next few years. A typical Disney theme park trip for a family of four costs between five and ten thousand dollars including travel and hotels. Do the math.

People are going to WANT to go out and do stuff as soon as we "end the shutdown", but the sad fact is, most people aren't going to have the money to put gas in their car to get to their third job interview of the day while hoping to land a fry cook job at McDonald's to replace the high-paying job they went to school for that now no longer exists. SO, Disney theme parks are going to be a lot less densely populated - and thus less profitable - for the next several years, because they won't be legally allowed to let as many people in and only the very rich will be able to afford to go in the first place.

So, I don't know,"deep sh*t" may be too harsh, but they're definitely going to looking at every alternative source of revenue they can because they're going to be taking some deep cuts for a while. It's unavoidable. They're "too big to fail" but they're definitely going to have some tough road ahead.

I can definitely see some of their worldwide parks closing. Maybe Star Wars Land or whatever, since people weren't feeling it anyway and they were losing money on it before this. They might even go so far as to decide that two Disney parks in America is one too many. I wouldn't be surprised by anything, at this point. We'll just have to see what happens.

[oldmanwinters]

The only thing I can think about when I read the title of this thread:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYocoMJIrPA

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

They might even go so far as to decide that two Disney parks in America is one too many.

If that ever happens, the Walt Disney World Resort in Florida would probably have to say goodbye, not the Disneyland Park in California.

[ZariusTwo]

Disney+ CEO Kevin Mater jumps to run Tik Tok

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52717333

[oldmanwinters]

Disney+ CEO Kevin Mater jumps to run Tik Tok

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52717333

I had no idea Disney+ had its own CEO. How many employees does that division have?

[ZariusTwo]

The Walt Disney Company is in the throes of a major leadership shift, with newly minted CEO Bob Chapek asserting more authority as the longtime leader he replaced, Bob Iger, prepares to surrender his executive chairman role for emeritus status at year-end.

The two men’s once-warm relationship has grown strained, according to four insiders. This comes as Chapek has overseen a 2020 reorganization that centralized the media company’s content distribution and ad sales.


https://variety.com/2021/film/news/disney-bob-chapek-bob-iger-reorganization-1234971562/

[Sumac]

Civil War inside the House of Mouse?
Sounds more exciting than new Star Wars!

I wish it would tore Disney apart, but, it is really unlikely.

[IMJ]

Hangers-on to the current Clown-World reality we are in will blame the Pandemic completely and disregard Disney's utterly incompetent Woke agenda push as a catalyst for the failures that called for this....

Diversity is great. And it was always there.
Woke agenda is phony. And it's an assault rather than an inclusion.

People don't like being assaulted or preached to when they've done no wrong and so go woke, go broke.

Civil War inside the House of Mouse?
Sounds more exciting than new Star Wars!

I wish it would tore Disney apart, but, it is really unlikely.

In many ways Disney is a staple of freedom-through-capitalism and has represented the most lighthearted of family-fun in America. I hate what it's become, but I certainly hope that it isn't torn apart, but instead re-aligns itself from it's current pandering-to-the-people-of-social-media, and goes back to being a great place for anyone to go to.

[AquaParade]

Marvel gonna reverse-buy Disney with all their success. Don't tell me what's impossible.

[Refractive Reflections]

In many ways Disney is a staple of freedom-through-capitalism and has represented the most lighthearted of family-fun in America. I hate what it's become, but I certainly hope that it isn't torn apart, but instead re-aligns itself from it's current pandering-to-the-people-of-social-media, and goes back to being a great place for anyone to go to.

The problem is Disney, as with most American entertainment corporations, have fallen to the strict Chinese Communist censorship rules. If the companies do not follow the censorship rules, the companies lose a tremendous amount of business by not having the Chinese market, and the project will probably get cancelled as it is far less lucrative. China won't even allow Disney to show Winnie the Pooh over there. lol

See:
https://www.axios.com/hollywood-movies-china-censorship-bba26aa9-b122-4b2c-80e1-054394414698.html

I think the following succiently summarizes the effect China has had, from the above link:

The bottom line: Despite the handwringing over China's economic ability to suppress Americans' freedom of speech, Hollywood film studios have willingly ceded their artistry to China's censors for years — on issues big and small — in pursuit of the almighty dollar.


Looks like Communist China succeeded where the Soviet Union didn't in stifling American free speech.

[IMJ]

The problem is Disney, as with most American entertainment corporations, have fallen to the strict Chinese Communist censorship rules. If the companies do not follow the censorship rules, the companies lose a tremendous amount of business by not having the Chinese market, and the project will probably get cancelled as it is far less lucrative. China won't even allow Disney to show Winnie the Pooh over there. lol

See:
https://www.axios.com/hollywood-movies-china-censorship-bba26aa9-b122-4b2c-80e1-054394414698.html

I think the following succiently summarizes the effect China has had, from the above link:


Looks like Communist China succeeded where the Soviet Union didn't in stifling American free speech.

This is not entirely unfounded. Entire plot elements of Iron Man 3 and the Mandarin character were significantly changed or abandoned simply for the Chinese box office.

[Sumac]

I am afraid current status quo can't be destroyed without collapse.

[Andrew NDB]

"Wish" flopped.

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/box-office-disney-wish-disappoints-napoleon-beats-expectations-1235808957/

[Cowabung-Gal]

"Wish" flopped.

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/box-office-disney-wish-disappoints-napoleon-beats-expectations-1235808957/

Why am I not surprised?

It’s pretty much a given at this point for a Disney movie to flop

[TheCanadiandrome]

Why am I not surprised?

It’s pretty much a given at this point for a Disney movie to flop
Sadly true yes

[neatoman]

I'm not entirely clear what the problem is with Wish yet, I haven't seen it, I've only seen other people complain about it elsewhere. Something about how the villain is essentially just treated like a villain because the plot demands it, something like that, right?

[Andrew NDB]

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Sounds like it's not woke or anything, it's just really, really stupid and safe and the songs all suck.

[Sumac]

Watch how the mighty had fallen...
And it goes both to Pixar and Disney.

Well deserved, when you sell out your creativity for the formulas and ideology you deserve to fail.

[Andrew NDB]

I suspect this means they're going to fast-track a lot of "surefire hits" in the days ahead. Finding Nemo 3, Toy Story 5, another Cars movie probably, etc..

[KRANGANDMIKEYFAN]

Im boycotting Disney for their leftist views.

[The Deadman]

Thatll show em.

[Coola Yagami]

Thatll show em.

Of course it will, if enough people choose to do that. And the amount of people saying so has been rising.

[neatoman]

Alright, so now I have actually seen Wish and... Yeah, it's bad. It has some of the driest characters I have ever seen in a Disney movie and the whole thing comes across like they just didn't think much through before they went into production.

The main problem is how the villain is presented. While the movie wants us to think he's a selfish megalomaniac (and to be fair, that is partially true), there isn't really any signs that his people are suffering and his fear that vague wishes could have negative consequences is somewhat justified given his backstory. The reason he's "wrong" seems to be that "wishes are wonderful" and "everyone should be able to pursue them", which is somewhat absurd because the idea that someone could have a malicious wish is barely touched upon. And the thing is, it's not like they couldn't have written this guy as being able to see the error of his, in fact that would be a fitting thing to do in this case. Instead he decided to read a book of evil magic that turns you permanently evil when he couldn't figure out what was going on. And because the book permanently turned him evil, he did a bunch of evil things he obviously would not have done otherwise was thus punished at the end with nobody feeling sorry for him.

… I mean… Remember Lilo and Stitch? You know, the movie about how even a creature engineered to be an evil monster isn't without the potential to become good? Or how about Treasure Planet, where the bad guy couldn't fully go through with his plans because he had grown attached to the hero?

[Bahamut810]

Instead he decided to read a book of evil magic that turns you permanently evil when he couldn't figure out what was going on. And because the book permanently turned him evil, he did a bunch of evil things he obviously would not have done otherwise was thus punished at the end with nobody feeling sorry for him.

Ah, so they pulled an Ironwood from RWBY. For context...Ironwood was a good guy who was the leader of a nations military. Well, he was a white dude. So they have him a superpower that made him evil because they needed a villain to start killing civilians and make their 'Protagonists' (who have become incompetent and ineffective since volume 3) look like good guys.

[Coola Yagami]

Alright, so now I have actually seen Wish and... Yeah, it's bad. It has some of the driest characters I have ever seen in a Disney movie and the whole thing comes across like they just didn't think much through before they went into production.

The main problem is how the villain is presented. While the movie wants us to think he's a selfish megalomaniac (and to be fair, that is partially true), there isn't really any signs that his people are suffering and his fear that vague wishes could have negative consequences is somewhat justified given his backstory. The reason he's "wrong" seems to be that "wishes are wonderful" and "everyone should be able to pursue them", which is somewhat absurd because the idea that someone could have a malicious wish is barely touched upon. And the thing is, it's not like they couldn't have written this guy as being able to see the error of his, in fact that would be a fitting thing to do in this case. Instead he decided to read a book of evil magic that turns you permanently evil when he couldn't figure out what was going on. And because the book permanently turned him evil, he did a bunch of evil things he obviously would not have done otherwise was thus punished at the end with nobody feeling sorry for him.

… I mean… Remember Lilo and Stitch? You know, the movie about how even a creature engineered to be an evil monster isn't without the potential to become good? Or how about Treasure Planet, where the bad guy couldn't fully go through with his plans because he had grown attached to the hero?

Ugh.... the only problem is, Disney doesn't care, they already got your money.

In my case, nothing about the trailer remotely caught my interest, so I didn't even give it a second thought. I think the only way I'll ever see this movie is if I'm at someone else's house and it happened to be on TV or something.

[IMJ]

Exactly. Years of manipulators pulling the "see it!" argument. Generally speaking, if you see it, they have your money and were rewarded for their output.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Of course it will, if enough people choose to do that. And the amount of people saying so has been rising.

Saying so and doing so are totally different

[Sumac]

Saying so and doing so are totally different
Falling profits of Disney slop show that people do not want waste their money on it.

[Andrew NDB]

Saying so and doing so are totally different

Yeah, it's like Elon at that summit a couple of weeks ago.

"So you're saying people should boycott Disney?"

"It's already happening."

[Coola Yagami]

Saying so and doing so are totally different

People have no resolve or too big a fear of FOMO. The last Disney anything I spent money on was No Way Home and even then I'm sure Sony got a cut.

I don't have the app, the MCU died to me after End Game (I consider Far From Home and Black Widow as epilpgues), and I was never a Star Wars guy.

[Andrew NDB]

The MCU sort of died, or at least became way less exciting in the last third of the way into Endgame. Because in Infinity War, the whole thing is a constant series of, "OMG, I can't wait to see what happens next!" moments all the way up to and including the ending... but then Endgame kind of just tells us what's coming next. And it's this:

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And they weren't lying.

[IMJ]

There were some great moments in Endgame, but a lot of that movie was as disappointing for me as Back to the Future 3 was after the amazing movie that was part 2.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Falling profits of Disney slop show that people do not want waste their money on it.

Yes but that’s only a handful of people and doesn’t speak for the overall populous. I can’t stand when certain groups feel they think they can speak for everyone given the actions of a small few

Yeah, it's like Elon at that summit a couple of weeks ago.

"So you're saying people should boycott Disney?"

"It's already happening."

Pfft lol

People have no resolve or too big a fear of FOMO. The last Disney anything I spent money on was No Way Home and even then I'm sure Sony got a cut.

I don't have the app, the MCU died to me after End Game (I consider Far From Home and Black Widow as epilpgues), and I was never a Star Wars guy.

Bully bully bro. Yall do you and I’ll do me and don’t for one second thing yall can speak for me

[Sumac]

Yes but that’s only a handful of people and doesn’t speak for the overall populous. I can’t stand when certain groups feel they think they can speak for everyone given the actions of a small few
Handful?
Pretty much all, except maybe two movies from Disney, failed to turn in profit.
I'd say it is a lot of people.

[IMJ]

I can’t stand when certain groups feel they think they can speak for everyone given the actions of a small few

Love this sentence. Absolutely with you on that as I think it's the biggest critical thinking error that the woke $#!((ers have made for years while the rest of the population was evaluating or determining the situation (slow ship to turn).

But on that note, I do think that people have walked from Disney in significant, significant numbers. All you have to do is look at the state of their recent output and parks (c'mon man they closed an entire Star Wars theme park after I think only a year). Said it before and I'll say it again, when the bottom falls out on woke $#!(, the bottom falls out.

[Mayhem]

(c'mon man they closed an entire Star Wars theme park after I think only a year)
That was a $5000 per two nights SW theme hotel. No one got money for that right now.

[Sumac]

That was a $5000 per two nights SW theme hotel. No one got money for that right now.
Yeah, they are so stupid that made it like that by accident.
Not, because, they expected to work with a most popular franchises in the world. Which their own company tanked to ****

[IMJ]

That was a $5000 per two nights SW theme hotel. No one got money for that right now.

There were a lot of mistakes made with that hotel. The price was one of them.

[oldmanwinters]

There is online speculation that Wish was written by AI, or that it at least feels that way. Timeline probably doesn’t match up for the claim to have full basis in fact, though.

[Sumac]

There is online speculation that Wish was written by AI, or that it at least feels that way. Timeline probably doesn’t match up for the claim to have full basis in fact, though.
You think to little about modern AI! :lol:

On a serious note, it just says about quality of modern Disney writers.

Which is very surprising - you have all money in the world and you can't hire people who can write?! Even with your resources?
Are they hire some random no-name janitors to write their stories? Or decent writers wright decent stories, but they end up being butchered by committee on their way to the screen?

[Coola Yagami]

You think to little about modern AI! :lol:

On a serious note, it just says about quality of modern Disney writers.

Which is very surprising - you have all money in the world and you can't hire people who can write?! Even with your resources?
Are they hire some random no-name janitors to write their stories? Or decent writers wright decent stories, but they end up being butchered by committee on their way to the screen?

I think it's the second part.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Love this sentence. Absolutely with you on that as I think it's the biggest critical thinking error that the woke $#!((ers have made for years while the rest of the population was evaluating or determining the situation (slow ship to turn).

But on that note, I do think that people have walked from Disney in significant, significant numbers. All you have to do is look at the state of their recent output and parks (c'mon man they closed an entire Star Wars theme park after I think only a year). Said it before and I'll say it again, when the bottom falls out on woke $#!(, the bottom falls out.

Handful?
Pretty much all, except maybe two movies from Disney, failed to turn in profit.
I'd say it is a lot of people.

Ya'll gonna pull some stats out your butts to prove to me?

Give me a break, what do ya'll classify as "significant significant numbers" of people? I stand by my original statements, that a "significant number" of individuals do not speak or act for an entire populous and it's rediculous to think otherwise. I'd say that there's "significant numbers" of people who'd agree with me.

Until there's a bigger "significant number" of individuals going along with the group, I don't think Disney is gonna be like "wow we need to change things because a 'significant significant number' of individuals doesn't like the way we're doing things"

[IMJ]

Ya'll gonna pull some stats out your butts to prove to me?

Give me a break, what do ya'll classify as "significant significant numbers" of people? I stand by my original statements, that a "significant number" of individuals do not speak or act for an entire populous and it's rediculous to think otherwise. I'd say that there's "significant numbers" of people who'd agree with me.

Until there's a bigger "significant number" of individuals going along with the group, I don't think Disney is gonna be like "wow we need to change things because a 'significant significant number' of individuals doesn't like the way we're doing things"

Bro most reasonable people don't need "stats" to support a PARK CLOSURE or a variety of flopped movies that were embedded in the woke content! :lol:

Christ, it's actually psuedo-intellectual as hell to want "statistics" as support for obvious things - they even tell you that in research and design 101. There was a PARK CLOSURE. The more woke the content got in Disney movies the more people walked from going to pay to see them. DISNEY is in leadership UPHEAVAL right now. :roll: LMFAO c'mon duuuuuude.

It's not that you can't quantify failure, but losses that box office and park closures are pretty fair indicators of "failure" on their own merits. OMFG

And organizations changing behavior and output is absolutely guided by a "significant number of consumers" changing their consumer behavior. So your demand to quantify in the face of clear results is absolutely nonsense. "TELL ME HOW MANY WALKED AWAY FROM DISNEY OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN! nYAHHHh! skreee!!" Absolute Ninja Turtles intellectualism there, folks omfg.

[Mayhem]

And I’m going to argue the price was the main, absolutely main reason for the SW theme hotel failing, second being it wasn’t interesting enough to warrant the price (direct comment from someone I know who actually stayed there). Care to prove me wrong on either count?

[Andrew NDB]

We're talking about that Star Wars cruiser/hotel thing? I'm sure the price was a major factor, but wasn't it, like the Star Wars theme park, also themed around the sequel trilogy? I can't fathom anybody spending big money on sequel trilogy stuff that isn't a hardcore masochist.

[Sumac]

Ya'll gonna pull some stats out your butts to prove to me?
Here you go (https://www.the-numbers.com/market/2023/distributor/Walt-Disney).
It doesn't provide information of movie budgets, but you can safely assume it usually sits around 150-200 million (and around 300 million for Indiana Jones 5).

So, using this data we can extrapolate, that only Guardians 3 brought a profit. Probably The Little Mermaid as well, but it depends on its budget. Even than, its was not a good profit. Not what one'd expect from a Disney movie.

Everything else was a failure without a question, especially ID5, Marvels and Wish.

Questions, young padawan? :D

[Mayhem]

Questions, young padawan? :D
It wasn’t specifically the performance of the films he was questioning, it was also the decrease of Disney+ subs etc being prophetised by yourself and others.

“Give me a break, what do ya'll classify as "significant significant numbers" of people? I stand by my original statements, that a "significant number" of individuals do not speak or act for an entire populous and it's rediculous to think otherwise. I'd say that there's "significant numbers" of people who'd agree with me. Until there's a bigger "significant number" of individuals going along with the group, I don't think Disney is gonna be like "wow we need to change things because a 'significant significant number' of individuals doesn't like the way we're doing things"

We are also in a massive downturn this year expenditure wise (I know I am) so how much is it people cutting back as they have less disposable income?

[Sumac]

It wasn’t specifically the performance of the films he was questioning, it was also the decrease of Disney+ subs etc being prophetised by yourself and others.
Never said anything about loss of subscriptions.
I don't know those number, therefore I won't speak about it.
Pay more attention.

We are also in a massive downturn this year expenditure wise (I know I am) so how much is it people cutting back as they have less disposable income?
Yet, good movies still making bank.

Stop acting like a Disney's personal knight in shining armor. This ****** corporations doesn't need defenders like you, neither your precious leftardness - it will die either way, like left ideologies usually do.

I don't think Disney is gonna be like "wow we need to change things because a 'significant significant number' of individuals doesn't like the way we're doing things"
Yet, even Iger admitted they made a mistake.
Of course, he moved himself out of equation and put a blame on everyone else, but himself, but it is not everyday, when you see leader of the, arguably, biggest entertainment corporation on the planet admitting they did something wrong.

It doesn't mean they will course correct immediately, but course correction is in the cards. Even though it won't be dictated by an ideology, but by dwindling profits.

[Andrew NDB]

Here you go (https://www.the-numbers.com/market/2023/distributor/Walt-Disney).
It doesn't provide information of movie budgets, but you can safely assume it usually sits around 150-200 million (and around 300 million for Indiana Jones 5).

So, using this data we can extrapolate, that only Guardians 3 brought a profit. Probably The Little Mermaid as well, but it depends on its budget. Even than, its was not a good profit. Not what one'd expect from a Disney movie.

Everything else was a failure without a question, especially ID5, Marvels and Wish.

Questions, young padawan? :D

Little Mermaid definitely lost money.

[Vegita-San]

missed this topic somehow..
disney's in REAL deep **** now.

Bond Fraud.
Capturing a local government.
A Nuclear Power Plant converted into a air conditioning unit to cool disney world.
A phony city they collect taxes on that only benefit disney.

and that's just the start.

[IMJ]

Disney's recent, official, government stamped SEC filing stated in the filing that "[Disney's] controversial political and social agenda" has hurt the company and shareholders."

:lol:

Ya think? And now watch any one of the forum leftist peasant-thinkers demand a 'source' for this 'claim' in their replies-of-high-academia. Yet ironically they won't find, let alone read the public filings on their own.

Not only a bad look for Disney who seems to be living the thread title, but even more bad news and evidence that woke $#!( was a lie and that the woke population is the dramatic minority while normal America continues to follow it's normal cultural curve.

This, and more to come, is inevitable - I've said repeatedly that social-movements of mass hysteria are a slow ship to turn; but when the bottom drops out that it's fast and harsh. And it isn't over.

[Andrew NDB]

As predicted:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/pixar-working-on-more-cars-projects/

[IMJ]

And I’m going to argue the price was the main, absolutely main reason for the SW theme hotel failing, second being it wasn’t interesting enough to warrant the price (direct comment from someone I know who actually stayed there). Care to prove me wrong on either count?

This is what I mean about you woke $#!((ers.... you just can't seperate the reality.

The price was a main reason. And yet it is still an indicator of the framework of leadership ALONG WITH all of the woke nonsense, bad practices, customer shaming, virtue signaling.

IT ALL GOES HAND IN HAND, but you woke $#!((Ters are busy splitting hairs. AS IF drawing your battle lines on pricing somehow RESISTS the woke $#!( argument. :roll:

Christ, Disney literally published to the government that their political ideology got in the way of profitability and at least two of you here still argue for your woke $#!( point making. :lol:

Emotional midgets in full force in this thread.

[Mayhem]

You really know nothing about me if you think I’m woke :roll::lol:

[Sumac]

You really know nothing about me if you think I’m woke :roll::lol:
Your political / ideological position is derived from your posts.
If you talk like a "wokie", you are judged accordingly.

However you define yourself is irrelevant - since reality is not under your control and thus no matter how you define your political stance for yourself, in a broader context people will see it for what it really is.

Your personal history or mental traumas are not relevant for other people, nor should they be.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Disney's recent, official, government stamped SEC filing stated in the filing that "[Disney's] controversial political and social agenda" has hurt the company and shareholders."

:lol:

Ya think? And now watch any one of the forum leftist peasant-thinkers demand a 'source' for this 'claim' in their replies-of-high-academia. Yet ironically they won't find, let alone read the public filings on their own.

Not only a bad look for Disney who seems to be living the thread title, but even more bad news and evidence that woke $#!( was a lie and that the woke population is the dramatic minority while normal America continues to follow it's normal cultural curve.

This, and more to come, is inevitable - I've said repeatedly that social-movements of mass hysteria are a slow ship to turn; but when the bottom drops out that it's fast and harsh. And it isn't over.

No offence, but anyone who uses the term 'woke' unironically should be laughed at. And no, I am not what you would call woke.

The irony of you going around attacking people's brainpower while screaming 'woke! woke! woke!' like a simpleton ha.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't see any irony. You call a spade a spade, in life.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Your political / ideological position is derived from your posts.
If you talk like a "wokie", you are judged accordingly.

However you define yourself is irrelevant - since reality is not under your control and thus no matter how you define your political stance for yourself, in a broader context people will see it for what it really is.

Your personal history or mental traumas are not relevant for other people, nor should they be.

What does woke mean? First of all you have to define this pathetic term.

Is woke being an egalitarian, believing everyone should have the same rights, being against inherited wealth and power (eg the British Royal Family and other dynasties), against guns, believing in a welfare state, having a problem with idiots who hate others because they are different (eg they're gay, black, another ethnic minority, a woman etc)? If so, I am absolutely woke. Although I would call it decency believing in freedom and equality for all people, and everyone having the right to live how they see fit (within legal parameters).

If you hate gay people, have a problem with immigrants (note I said immigrants, not immigration control), have issues with others for something they can't change even if they're a decent person...I'd say in those cases that person would be the scumbag.

And I say all this as a straight, 40-something white male. But the last thing I wanna be is a gammon.

It's thanks to clowns with views like some of yours that Britain is in an even bigger state than it already was. These bigoted views led to Brexit and now look at the state we are in. The idiotic 'British is best!' gammons dragging the rest of us down with them...again.

[The Inventive Donatello]

I don't see any irony. You call a spade a spade, in life.

The term woke is only something that an idiot who can't think for themselves would use. It's a tired buzzword that can mean anything (it's very generalised) and offers no real insight or discussion.

But then you're pretty intolerant yourself, aren't you? Leo656 accused you of hating gay people.

I have been on here before (and have been reading the forums for decades) and you and a couple of others constantly push your bigoted agenda. Even having a go at anyone who dislikes Trump when it is clear the guy has zero morals (as do many leftists, but then I am not going around defending them).

The reason you don't see any irony is because you are on his side of the debate. If it was someone whose views you abhor screaming 'conservative' (another pathetic word), then you'd see irony.

[Coola Yagami]

What does woke mean? First of all you have to define this pathetic term.

Is woke being an egalitarian, believing everyone should have the same rights, being against inherited wealth and power (eg the British Royal Family and other dynasties), having a problem with idiots who hate others because they are different (eg they're gay, black, another ethnic minority, a woman etc)? If so, I am absolutely woke. Although I would call it decency believing in freedom and equality for all people, and everyone having the right to live how they see fit (within legal parametera).

If you hate gay people, have a problem with immigrants (note I said immigrants, not immigration control), have issues with others for someone they can't change even if they're a decent person...I'd say in those cases that person would be the scumbag.

And I say all this as a straight, 40-something white male. But the last thing I wanna be is a gammon.

Woke, as it's being used by liberals, is pretty much the over-correction of first world problems (hence the easily offended over everything) and trying to go for equity over equality, pretty much 'equality' but at the expense of others. Most of the time what they actually want is privilege and special treatment (hence people trying to get you fired over misgendering someone or having a 'Let's Go Brandon' sticker on and other such nonsense). The irony is they say they're against racism but are actually promoting segregation where everything must fit into its little label and little box, or else. They literally only see you as your race and label. AND they claim to hate Nazis but they go full Nazi on anyone that doesn't agree with their ideologies.

In terms of media, woke means caring more about checkboxes and virtue signals than character and story. And if you don't like the story, well then you're just racist, sexist or whatever else.

Also as a straight 40 something white male, you're pretty much the enemy to them. Don't be so quick to defend people that will tell you to go 'check your privilege, boomer'. Oh and you're also racist apparently, cause the woke believe all white people are inheritably born racist they just don't know it. It's just nonsense.

I mean if we play the woke game, are you, a white man, talking DOWN to a Hispanic man (Andrew)???? How dare you. lol

[The Inventive Donatello]

Woke, as it's being used by liberals, is pretty much the over-correction of first world problems (hence the easily offended over everything) and trying to go for equity over equality, pretty much 'equality' but at the expense of others. Most of the time what they actually want it privilege and special treatment. The irony is they say they're against racism but are actually promoting segregation where everything must fix into its little label and little box, or else. They literally only see you as your race and label. AND they claim to hate Nazis but they go full Nazi on anyone that doesn't agree with their idealogies.

In terms of media, woke means caring more about checkboxes and virtue signals than character and story.

Also as a straight 40 something white male, you're pretty much the enemy to them. Don't be so quick to defend people that will tell you to go 'check your privilege, boomer'

Believe me, I hate those idiots (such as feminists who claim to desire equality when want they want is superiority) - however my stance is to side with those who have no agenda. Yes, plenty 'woke' people (as you call them) have an agenda and want everything their way, but plenty don't too. Those are the ones who just want a fair society, and that is what I want too (a pipedream but I am an idealist).

It was more of a rhetorical question. I know what woke has come to mean, I just find it a laughable term.

The media stuff can be annoying, but changing Amber's race in Invincible doesn't affect my enjoyment of the story. Absolutely there are times it does affect enjoyment but I feel some go well over the top about it.

I know I am the enemy to them. But I won't change my morals just because it suits me personally. I am not that selfish. I won't go against decent people. There are decent people on the left, and on the right, not everyone is a bad person simply because of their political stance.

Also, I am a millennial, not a boomer. But you knew that.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Oh and you're also racist apparently, cause the woke believe all white people are inheritably born racist they just don't know it. It's just nonsense.

Obviously I am not siding with imbeciles who believe that nonsense and have such a chip on their shoulder. I believe in equality and anyone who genuinely believes in that on that side of things has my support.

I am obviously not referring to women who hate me because I am a man, or black people who think I am racist because I am white. The problem is you assume everyone on the left is like that. That's insane.

[Coola Yagami]

Obviously I am not siding with imbeciles who believe that nonsense and have such a chip on their shoulder. I believe in equality and anyone who genuinely believes in that on that side of things has my support.

I am obviously not referring to women who hate me because I am a man, or black people who think I am racist because I am white. The problem is you assume everyone on the left is like that. That's insane.

Unfortunately, the loud majority speaks for all of you and there aren't enough people speaking up saying 'yo I may be a leftist or a liberal, but I'm not one of those whackos'. And most of the time it's because if you say that, they'll come after you too, or they'll label you a conservative. Or both.

Not everyone on the left is like that, but the ones that aren't are the ones that aren't 'woke'. From what I see, ALL woke people are like that. The leftists and liberals that aren't like that, aren't woke.

[The Inventive Donatello]

'I mean if we play the woke game, are you, a white man, talking DOWN to a Hispanic man (Andrew)???? How dare you. lol'

That's reductionist and doesn't make any sense, given he's displayed plenty of intolerant views.

Him being an ethnic minority isn't a get out of jail free card to behave how he likes (same as feminists and black people shouldn't get away with terrible behaviour then hide behind racism or misogyny when they are called out).

That was a bad argument by you and I think you know that hence putting it across so flippantly..

[The Inventive Donatello]

Unfortunately, the loud majority speaks for all of you and there aren't enough people speaking up saying 'yo I may be a leftist or a liberal, but I'm not one of those whackos'. And most of the time it's because if you say that, they'll come after you too, or they'll label you a conservative. Or both.

Not everyone on the left is like that, but the ones that aren't are the ones that aren't 'woke'. From what I see, ALL woke people are like that. The leftists and liberals that aren't like that, aren't woke.

Fair enough. That is exactly the point I am making.

It seems like 'woke' is a pejorative to describe the most radical and extreme of leftists, on that I can agree. However, there are just as many mentalists on the other side, as Andrew and others highlight - they spend their lives espousing their intolerant agenda on a Ninja Turtles forum, of all places. They're constantly going on about wokies while lacking the self-awareness to realise they're just as bad on the opposite side of the spectrum. That's what amuses me and has amused me for years in reading this forum.

I used to like Andrew when I read his stuff. But everything he writes is tinged with bitterness about society. It is no way to live.

Andrew - lighten up son.

[Andrew NDB]

But then you're pretty intolerant yourself, aren't you? Leo656 accused you of hating gay people.

Hating gay people? Show me the posts where I said I hated gay people. I have no problem with gay people whatsoever, or even trans. It's just when the agenda to normalize (or worse) these things in the school for small children creeps in that we have a big problem.

I have been on here before (and have been reading the forums for decades) and you and a couple of others constantly push your bigoted agenda.

What agenda is that, exactly?

Even having a go at anyone who dislikes Trump

You mean like myself? I don't even like Trump. Of course, if it's between him and Biden (who is just a barely alive mouthpiece for the extremist left)? Then of course he'll have my vote, but that's all.

The reason you don't see any irony is because you are on his side of the debate. If it was someone whose views you abhor screaming 'conservative' (another pathetic word), then you'd see irony.

"Conservative" isn't a scary or even a bad label. It just means "favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas" -- all of which being good things. Oh no, so terrible! "Woke"? Now, I don't think woke quite means what it used to mean (which was just a broad sense of "let's be progressive") and is now actually fairly targeted. It's kind of the old, new "SJW." Is it virtue-signaling, is it diversity just for diversity's sake or social credit, is it the new bulge tucking swimsuit isle at Target? Oh, that's woke. No doubt about it. There isn't any confusion or obfuscation except generally by the people who are into or defend woke stuff. Because confusion and obfuscation is the name of the game with them, particularly because that's at the heart of what they've weaponized and done with everything from the language to identity politics.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Hating gay people? Show me the posts where I said I hated gay people. I have no problem with gay people whatsoever, or even trans. It's just when the agenda to normalize (or worse) these things in the school for small children creeps in that we have a big problem.



What agenda is that, exactly?



You mean like myself? I don't even like Trump. Of course, if it's between him and Biden (who is just a barely alive mouthpiece for the extremist left)? Then of course he'll have my vote, but that's all.



"Conservative" isn't a scary or even a bad label. It just means "favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas" -- all of which being good things. Oh no, so terrible! "Woke"? Now, I don't think woke quite means what it used to mean (which was just a broad sense of "let's be progressive") and is now actually fairly targeted. It's kind of the old, new "SJW." Is it virtue-signaling, is it diversity just for diversity's sake or social credit, is it the new bulge tucking swimsuit isle at Target? Oh, that's woke. No doubt about it.

I actually agree with most of that - although strange to not want to interact with an actor because they display 'Trump Derangement' or whatever it is called. If you genuinely don't care about Trump why would that bother you so much to the point you wouldn't talk to De Niro (and I agree De Niro is a tit and a hypocrite, but not because of his views on Trump).

I was just struggling to come up with an abusive term for someone on the right. Left/right...it's all labels. Most people do not care about all that garbage and it's very simplistic and pigeon holes people in little boxes. It's so prevalent that I have even done it her despite hating the practice.

I totally agree with what you are saying about gay/trans and not teaching stuff to small kids. I fully agree. But I think you have more bigotry towards gay people than you even realise.

As for the agenda...come on mate. You, Cowabunga Gal and Sumac are very knowledgeable about media and entertainment. But a blind man could see the agenda you three espouse in most of your posts. It's all 'leftists' are scum (though admittedly you are a bit more diplomatic in your phrasing than those two). You three have taken over the forum now- it's unrecognisable from when I was on it before.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Oh, and I agree Biden is a complete tool.

As long as you're not mixing in everyday people who are tolerant and believe in freedom - normal people - with those mental radicals who centre their lives around their sexuality, gender identity, race etc, then we have no problem.

By the way, by the same token as me 'siding with my enemies', Andrew is doing the same - because many conservatives see him as less than garbage as he is an ethnic minority.

I was trying to ignore all the political talk on here but it's in your face in almost every thread ffs thanks to the usual suspects.

Also, as stated, I realise plenty of people on the left are legitimately insane too - spoiled rich white Western feminists for example, who have a better life than I do but think I am a privileged white male just because I happen to be a man - as if there aren't multiple things that affect someone, such as mental health, class, power - rather than just gender and race. If feminism is needed anywhere it is in the Middle East where women genuinely are oppressed, but those selfish feminists don't care about women in another continent, only about themselves and their trivial first-world issues. They wouldn't last a day in Saudi Arabia. Those are the type of fakes that you should be slagging off and the type I would never align myself with. Take Megan Rapinoe for instance, a complete boot.

The point is that any kind of extremism is to be looked down on - and it exists on both 'sides' of the political spectrum.

[Coola Yagami]

As for the agenda...come on mate. You, Cowabunga Gal and Sumac are very knowledgeable about media and entertainment. But a blind man could see the agenda you three espouse in most of your posts. It's all 'leftists' are scum (though admittedly you are a bit more diplomatic in your phrasing than those two). You three have taken over the forum now- it's unrecognisable from when I was on it before.

While those three have gone kinda hog wild on this, this is cause and effect. The liberal crap wasn't this as blatant and ham-fisted as it is now. It's affecting every venue of entertainment where you can't get away from it even if you wanted to, and it's even affecting the Turtles in small doses. Of course people are going to notice and voice their grievances. I mean tell media and entertainment to stop being woke garbage and a message forum based on characters in media and entertainment will stop complaining about it (and probably find something else to complain about, but at least it won't be political).

The country pretty much become unrecognizable from when this forum was first created. Don't see color became it's all about color, there's multiple genders and men can give birth and have periods now.

'I mean if we play the woke game, are you, a white man, talking DOWN to a Hispanic man (Andrew)???? How dare you. lol'

That's reductionist and doesn't make any sense, given he's displayed plenty of intolerant views.

Him being an ethnic minority isn't a get out of jail free card to behave how he likes (same as feminists and black people shouldn't get away with terrible behaviour then hide behind racism or misogyny when they are called out).

That was a bad argument by you and I think you know that hence putting it across so flippantly..

That was sarcasm based on how woke people make everything about race.

[The Inventive Donatello]

While those three have gone kinda hog wild on this, this is cause and effect. The liberal crap wasn't this as blatant and ham-fisted as it is now. It's affecting every venue of entertainment where you can't get away from it even if you wanted to, and it's even affecting the Turtles in small doses. Of course people are going to notice and voice their grievances.

The country pretty much become unrecognizable from when this forum was first created.



That was sarcasm based on how woke people make everything about race.

Yes, I realise. Just wanted to give it a reply anyway.

I also agree with the first part - Andrew etc are reacting to the (what you call) 'woke agenda' and expressing frustration over it. But they don't realise they're just as bad as they're displaying the same sort of unstable extremism on the other end of the spectrum. It's pretty annoying to see both sides talk bitter nonsense.

You see it on the IMDB forums - enjoyable TV shows getting rated 1 because a character was race-swapped and it's now woke. In some cases it doesn't even affect the story. Idiots like that should really grow up.

I don't think we are that far apart in views. I believe in equality and freedom for all - discarding all that (what you call) woke rubbish whereby everyone has to centre their lives and personality on an aspect of their identity (race, gender, sexuality etc).

I know a gay guy from America. However, he's just a normal guy to talk to other than being gay. He doesn't go on and on and on about it like it's the only thing that defines him. The only way I would know he is gay is if he compliments a photo I show him or something. I totally agree those type of arseholes (and on the other side white supremacists would be) are annoying.

Overall, all these political wars and social issues highlight what an irredeemable mess society is. I am so so sick of it.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Anyway, I am really not here to discuss politics at all. I'd like to talk turtles and other entertainment things such as films, TV shows etc. Preferably without thinking about a character's colour or sexuality, unless relevant.

But every time I open a thread, there is one of the usual suspects complaining about something. It's so boring. I should have known better coming in here but it was the last straw.

To give some balance, I have almost finished the miniseries 'When They See Us' and it feels like one of the strongest examples I have ever seen of race propaganda. Those young boys (now middle-aged men) are treated like heroes when I believe they went in that park that night to assault people, even if they weren't guilty of rape.

[Andrew NDB]

I actually agree with most of that - although strange to not want to interact with an actor because they display 'Trump Derangement' or whatever it is called. If you genuinely don't care about Trump why would that bother you so much to the point you wouldn't talk to De Niro (and I agree De Niro is a tit and a hypocrite, but not because of his views on Trump).

That's a bit different. While I'm not a "Trump fan," TDS is a very real and super annoying phenomenon. Both things can be true at once.

I was just struggling to come up with an abusive term for someone on the right.

Which is a little bit telling, isn't it? At worst, what... something akin to "You MAGA idiots!", right? Which always makes one wonder, why would calling someone a person who wants America to be great again be an insult? Obviously to the person saying that, who pretty obviously doesn't think America is great or needs to be "great again," I understand it would be an insult. But why to the person you're hurling it at? It's a weird thought exercise.

By the way, by the same token as me 'siding with my enemies', Andrew is doing the same - because many conservatives see him as less than garbage as he is an ethnic minority.

I don't think that's a really perceivable thing I've experienced. Most conservatives in my generation -- and just plain most people in my generation -- were brought up to not see race. Now leftists insist that race is the most important thing to see and dwell on, and split into factions over and so on.

I was trying to ignore all the political talk on here but it's in your face in almost every thread ffs thanks to the usual suspects.

Like Coola said, it's a thing no longer confined to, say, day-time talk shows and is now endemic to pretty much all avenues of entertainment now. People are naturally pretty upset, for example, that the mainstream comic book industry has been co-opted by either very strange women or blue-haired, feminine men who have turned the genre into a vanity piece, virtue signal palooza that bares very little resemblance to any kind of tried-and-true traditional superheroics/"let's tell a good story." Like, at all.

I also agree with the first part - Andrew etc are reacting to the (what you call) 'woke agenda' and expressing frustration over it. But they don't realise they're just as bad as they're displaying the same sort of unstable extremism on the other end of the spectrum. It's pretty annoying to see both sides talk bitter nonsense.

I think that's part of the disconnect, right there. Leftists see conservative types making note of -- just as a random example -- "Hey look, Bud Light is using a transexual to market their brand!" as, "OMFG, look -- conservatives are LOSING THEIR MINDS over this! Hahaha!"

This is just them projecting. Most conservatives are pretty apathetic about it all. "Guess I won't support that brand then," and that's it, never to be thought about again. While leftists over some kind of a reverse equivalent example, they'd be in the streets blocking freeway lanes the next day. But always, always, it's the conservatives "LOSING THEIR MINDS!!"

You see it on the IMDB forums

What IMDB forums? Leftists had those shut down years ago because people had rightfully a lot to say about Ghostbusters 2016. The same ones who made it so now there's no more Dislike button on Youtube because of Captain Marvel, lol... it's all pretty funny and sad at the same time.

Anyway, I am really not here to discuss politics at all. I'd like to talk turtles and other entertainment things such as films, TV shows etc. Preferably without thinking about a character's colour or sexuality, unless relevant.

I'm sure many others like myself would love nothing more than to someday in the foreseeable future not have to talk about those things. Unfortunately, again, it's TPTB that keep bringing these things to the forefront. And has been discussed elsewhere, if they're baking the stuff into the cake, what are we supposed to do? If it's there -- right there, in the cake (whether we're talking about LGBTQ stuff in the latest issue of IDW TMNT, or April suddenly being fat and black in Mutant Mayhem) -- and we're compelled to not talk about it, or even notice it? Then this is now a left-wing echo chamber, which seems far worse to me.

But every time I open a thread, there is one of the usual suspects complaining about something.

It's really more "noticing" than "complaining about." Which is what leftists hate. They hate that we notice things. Like the recent bit with Claudine Gay being forced to resign because people suddenly noticed she had plagiarized tons of essays over the years on her rise to become Harvard president. The problem wasn't the plagiarizing, the problem became "Plagiarism is the New Conservative Weapon," (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12923691/associated-press-harvard-president-claudine-gay-conservative-weapon.html) just because I guess we noticed the plagiarizing? Pretty bizarre thinking.

[Cowabung-Gal]

But then you're pretty intolerant yourself, aren't you? Leo656 accused you of hating gay people.

Leo656 hated all of us, actually. We disagreed on some things, sure. None of us here agree on everything and we don’t have to, just as long as we keep the discussion civil and we go back to being drinking buddies at the end of day. But for the record, I didn’t unfriend him; he unfriended me, and that’s usually how it goes.

[Mayhem]

For the record, Leo didn’t hate me, so I’m the special one :)

"Conservative" isn't a scary or even a bad label. It just means "favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas"
The problem is, to many on that side of the political spectrum, “socially traditional ideas” means any marriage which isn’t between a man and woman is BAD, anyone who isn’t a traditional hetero man or woman is BAD (in fact they are the boogie people who are going to get you and your children), anyone supporting proper women’s rights (such as abortion) is BAD, anyone who isn’t overtly religious is BAD, anyone who thinks love thy neighbour and do unto others as you’d do yourself (you know, some of the moral and just teachings of Jesus in the Bible) is BAD… you get the picture. That might have been acceptable 60 years ago but it isn’t today. It’s all “do as I say, not as I do” and it just makes me roll my eyes.

[Sumac]

What does woke mean? First of all you have to define this pathetic term.
For most people it means retarded zealot, who virtue signals, either out of being dumb or, because, they are using "woke" talking points to prop themselves up.

Is woke being an egalitarian, believing everyone should have the same rights, being against inherited wealth and power (eg the British Royal Family and other dynasties), against guns, believing in a welfare state, having a problem with idiots who hate others because they are different (eg they're gay, black, another ethnic minority, a woman etc)? If so, I am absolutely woke. Although I would call it decency believing in freedom and equality for all people, and everyone having the right to live how they see fit (within legal parameters).
None of this is "woke".
Its just being more or less views of a normal person (even though I disagree with some points about guns and a Royal family). Those values has been stripped away from their initial positive meanings and turned into a laughing stock by zealots, who just want to control life of other people.

It's thanks to clowns with views like some of yours that Britain is in an even bigger state than it already was. These bigoted views led to Brexit and now look at the state we are in. The idiotic 'British is best!' gammons dragging the rest of us down with them...again.
Nothing bad about supporting your country first. Brexit was justified as in existence within European Union which is ruled by bureaucrats who have no-one to answer to, is not a good way for a country.

The term woke is only something that an idiot who can't think for themselves would use. It's a tired buzzword that can mean anything (it's very generalised) and offers no real insight or discussion.
I can make this argument just about any other word, using the same arguments.
There is a good understanding, what term "woke" entails this days, just like "SJW", and using it doesn't really say anything about a person. Even "woke" people admit that it was hijacked by people, who use it to acquire power and money, without caring about any values.

[Bahamut810]

So who wants to take bets on which banned account "The Inventive Donatello" actually is?

[Sumac]

As for the agenda...come on mate. You, Cowabunga Gal and Sumac are very knowledgeable about media and entertainment. But a blind man could see the agenda you three espouse in most of your posts. It's all 'leftists' are scum (though admittedly you are a bit more diplomatic in your phrasing than those two). You three have taken over the forum now- it's unrecognisable from when I was on it before.
As for me, my only agenda is to have more good stories, without insane commie zealots twisting them to fit their warped worldview and without shills crying that everything that was made before them is racist and should be remade.
I.e. without overreacting crazies replacing White character with Black, which according to those shills and zealots somehow makes it "the most important work in the world of fiction ever made" and everyone who disagrees with it somehow a Nazi.

The fact that lefties run away from this place, because, they couldn't have it as their own personal hugbox, is not my problem.
Its just shows their lack of tolerance, as well as lack of conviction, spine and the fact they were unable to use their traditional Modus Operandi here (claim that everyone who disagrees with them just about anything are nazis who should be silenced and ban them away). And that at the time, when one of the mods was their staunch ally! Which just highlights how much of snowflakes they are and that on their own individually their are neither threat nor smart.

I also agree with the first part - Andrew etc are reacting to the (what you call) 'woke agenda' and expressing frustration over it. But they don't realise they're just as bad as they're displaying the same sort of unstable extremism on the other end of the spectrum. It's pretty annoying to see both sides talk bitter nonsense.
What extremism? I sometimes go overboard with my arguments for the sake of fun, but its never to the extremist degree. As in I don't propose destroy people who disagree with me or anything like that.
As for race-swapping characters - it is quite easy to spot, when and how it is a woke agenda and most of the time, this days, it is sadly IS a woke agenda.

Leo656 accused you of hating gay people.
I try not to badmouth people who won't or can't answer for themselves, but I make an exception here: Leo was an ego-tripping buffoon.
He had some interesting and smart things to say, quite a lot of them in fact and was interesting to talk to, at times. But his ego was as fragile as that of 5-year old mentally challenged child.
He absolutely couldn't tolerate when people were disagree with him and flew of the handle on the spot, becoming even more annoying, insufferable and aggressive than some of the woke members of the forum. Everything he said about people should be taking with a locomotive of salt as it was painted by his perception of whether people were supporting him or not.

The problem is, to many on that side of the political spectrum, “socially traditional ideas” means any marriage which isn’t between a man and woman is BAD, anyone who isn’t a traditional hetero man or woman is BAD (in fact they are the boogie people who are going to get you and your children), anyone supporting proper women’s rights (such as abortion) is BAD, anyone who isn’t overtly religious is BAD, anyone who thinks love thy neighbour and do unto others as you’d do yourself (you know, some of the moral and just teachings of Jesus in the Bible) is BAD… you get the picture.
Hilariously you just described logic of a typical "wokey" who genuinely believes that all conservative people are like that.
Majority of people, outside of some looney boonies, do not support any or most of it.

[Cowabung-Gal]

As for the agenda...come on mate. You, Cowabunga Gal and Sumac are very knowledgeable about media and entertainment. But a blind man could see the agenda you three espouse in most of your posts. It's all 'leftists' are scum (though admittedly you are a bit more diplomatic in your phrasing than those two). You three have taken over the forum now- it's unrecognisable from when I was on it before.

gQhrFUZtcx0

:lol::lol::lol:

[Coola Yagami]

So who wants to take bets on which banned account "The Inventive Donatello" actually is?

Why ban him? He seems alright.

Let's also leave Leo alone. He's not here to strike back and defend himself and he's stated several times that he no longer wants to be associated with this place or even mentioned.

Like Will Smith said 'leave Leo out of your mouth' everyone and let him move on to greener pastures.

[The Inventive Donatello]

That's a bit different. While I'm not a "Trump fan," TDS is a very real and super annoying phenomenon. Both things can be true at once.



Which is a little bit telling, isn't it? At worst, what... something akin to "You MAGA idiots!", right? Which always makes one wonder, why would calling someone a person who wants America to be great again be an insult? Obviously to the person saying that, who pretty obviously doesn't think America is great or needs to be "great again," I understand it would be an insult. But why to the person you're hurling it at? It's a weird thought exercise.



I don't think that's a really perceivable thing I've experienced. Most conservatives in my generation -- and just plain most people in my generation -- were brought up to not see race. Now leftists insist that race is the most important thing to see and dwell on, and split into factions over and so on.



Like Coola said, it's a thing no longer confined to, say, day-time talk shows and is now endemic to pretty much all avenues of entertainment now. People are naturally pretty upset, for example, that the mainstream comic book industry has been co-opted by either very strange women or blue-haired, feminine men who have turned the genre into a vanity piece, virtue signal palooza that bares very little resemblance to any kind of tried-and-true traditional superheroics/"let's tell a good story." Like, at all.



I think that's part of the disconnect, right there. Leftists see conservative types making note of -- just as a random example -- "Hey look, Bud Light is using a transexual to market their brand!" as, "OMFG, look -- conservatives are LOSING THEIR MINDS over this! Hahaha!"

This is just them projecting. Most conservatives are pretty apathetic about it all. "Guess I won't support that brand then," and that's it, never to be thought about again. While leftists over some kind of a reverse equivalent example, they'd be in the streets blocking freeway lanes the next day. But always, always, it's the conservatives "LOSING THEIR MINDS!!"



What IMDB forums? Leftists had those shut down years ago because people had rightfully a lot to say about Ghostbusters 2016. The same ones who made it so now there's no more Dislike button on Youtube because of Captain Marvel, lol... it's all pretty funny and sad at the same time.



I'm sure many others like myself would love nothing more than to someday in the foreseeable future not have to talk about those things. Unfortunately, again, it's TPTB that keep bringing these things to the forefront. And has been discussed elsewhere, if they're baking the stuff into the cake, what are we supposed to do? If it's there -- right there, in the cake (whether we're talking about LGBTQ stuff in the latest issue of IDW TMNT, or April suddenly being fat and black in Mutant Mayhem) -- and we're compelled to not talk about it, or even notice it? Then this is now a left-wing echo chamber, which seems far worse to me.



It's really more "noticing" than "complaining about." Which is what leftists hate. They hate that we notice things. Like the recent bit with Claudine Gay being forced to resign because people suddenly noticed she had plagiarized tons of essays over the years on her rise to become Harvard president. The problem wasn't the plagiarizing, the problem became "Plagiarism is the New Conservative Weapon," (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12923691/associated-press-harvard-president-claudine-gay-conservative-weapon.html) just because I guess we noticed the plagiarizing? Pretty bizarre thinking.


I don't even disagree with much of what you say (though you have used some strawman arguments there to imply I am solely demonising 'the right' when I am actually saying both sides are annoying.

I get your point - you're reacting to the progressive onslaught. I agree it has gone too far. But it's a slippery slope when you start talking about being 'anti woke' because a lot of people who fall in that category are genuinely racist, homophobic etc.

Do me a favour - look up Joey Barton (I could paste his tweets in here) and tell me if guys like he and Andrew Tate are who you wanna be associated with. I am sure you wanna be linked to him as much as I wanna be linked to those blue-haired feminist types who think all white men are the devil. You're better than him, but people who don't think in a complex way will group all who say anti-woke together - regardless of how extreme. Same with me being grouped with gay guys who think being gay is their entire identity in life.

I am really not your enemy - I have some sympathy for your plight...but only to a point. Extremists on both sides are annoying. And you're only really hurting yourself by caring so passionately about it. You might not realise it but it clearly affects you on a day to day basis, being this involved in the culture wars.

Don't you think you should let it go for a bit?

Either way, I do agree with some of what you are saying there (not all) and you've made some good points. I appreciate you being civil and diplomatic and not resorting to ad hominems (as you generally never do, to be fair). I just think you're far too involved here.

Edit: btw about IMDB - I never read the forums. I am talking about the reviews on stuff. It's constantly informed by pro or anti woke stuff when I just wanna know if people recommend the show or film. I'd like to read insightful, in-depth reviews not informed by politics.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Leo656 hated all of us, actually. We disagreed on some things, sure. None of us here agree on everything and we don’t have to, just as long as we keep the discussion civil and we go back to being drinking buddies at the end of day. But for the record, I didn’t unfriend him; he unfriended me, and that’s usually how it goes.

Leo and me talked about you but he isn't here to chat. I didn't realise he didn't want mentioned and he'd be annoyed with me for that so I won't do it again.

I am sure you're okay most of the time, but you certainly have major issues with certain groups and I am not sure why. I am sure you are a decent person, but why do you lean so far into the anti-woke stuff. Does it bother you that much?

[The Inventive Donatello]

For the record, Leo didn’t hate me, so I’m the special one :)


The problem is, to many on that side of the political spectrum, “socially traditional ideas” means any marriage which isn’t between a man and woman is BAD, anyone who isn’t a traditional hetero man or woman is BAD (in fact they are the boogie people who are going to get you and your children), anyone supporting proper women’s rights (such as abortion) is BAD, anyone who isn’t overtly religious is BAD, anyone who thinks love thy neighbour and do unto others as you’d do yourself (you know, some of the moral and just teachings of Jesus in the Bible) is BAD… you get the picture. That might have been acceptable 60 years ago but it isn’t today. It’s all “do as I say, not as I do” and it just makes me roll my eyes.

Exactly. For all them claiming I am being grouped with leftists far more radical than I am, they are also going to be grouped with Joey Barton types. Wrongly imo, for some of them.

[The Inventive Donatello]

For most people it means retarded zealot, who virtue signals, either out of being dumb or, because, they are using "woke" talking points to prop themselves up.


None of this is "woke".
Its just being more or less views of a normal person (even though I disagree with some points about guns and a Royal family). Those values has been stripped away from their initial positive meanings and turned into a laughing stock by zealots, who just want to control life of other people.


Nothing bad about supporting your country first. Brexit was justified as in existence within European Union which is ruled by bureaucrats who have no-one to answer to, is not a good way for a country.


I can make this argument just about any other word, using the same arguments.
There is a good understanding, what term "woke" entails this days, just like "SJW", and using it doesn't really say anything about a person. Even "woke" people admit that it was hijacked by people, who use it to acquire power and money, without caring about any values.

(Meant to say earlier, sorry about the multi-quoting, but there's far too much to confine it all to one post).

While I don't agree with all of that, I can see why you have that perspective, and I also agree that institutions like the EU are far from perfect. You have also been civil in this post (I haven't read the next one yet so not sure about it) so fair enough.

I agree that radical leftists can go way too far. I definitely don't want to be grouped with those nutbars.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Why ban him? He seems alright.

Let's also leave Leo alone. He's not here to strike back and defend himself and he's stated several times that he no longer wants to be associated with this place or even mentioned.

Like Will Smith said 'leave Leo out of your mouth' everyone and let him move on to greener pastures.

Thanks

Yeah I don't see why I should be banned. I have rarely attacked anyone and have tried to display some balance for both sides. I lean left but I am not a drooling prick who defines my identity by it. If anything I am totally fed up of the culture wars and just want people to get along and not judge each other - no special treatment.

I suppose minorities and women were held down for so long that there's now an element of 'let's get our own back' and it has gone too far the other way. I just wish they didn't see all us white people (and especially white men) as the enemy. I am friendly with everyone until they give me a reason not to be.

You saw me call out the show When They See us for its black propaganda (or I am betting you did, as I said it twice, in two separate threads). If I was a radical leftist I would take the left view in every single debate. But people who can't take an individual debate on its own merits without informing it solely by their politics? Well, they do my head in. Some things I lean left on more than others, some I even lean a little right I would expect. You simply have to look at each subject on its own merits.

[The Inventive Donatello]

gQhrFUZtcx0

:lol::lol::lol:


:lol:

Fair enough - I will take the loss on that one. People constantly use the word agenda on a football (soccer) forum I read and it seems like an easy cop-out. So I accept you laughing at me for stooping to that level :)

[Cowabung-Gal]

I am sure you're okay most of the time, but you certainly have major issues with certain groups and I am not sure why. I am sure you are a decent person, but why do you lean so far into the anti-woke stuff. Does it bother you that much?

When you’ve had enough of all the intersectionality nonsense, weird kinks, and identity politics that have been installed in your children’s education, your entertainment, and even your workplace to the point that you can’t just ignore it anymore, you’ll feel inclined to speak up too. It’s not just the “anti-woke” people who are talking about it; more and more normal and non-political people of all backgrounds, no matter their race, gender, or sexuality, are starting to feel the impact that this radically divisive ideology has on their daily lives and they’re rejecting it too.

[The Inventive Donatello]

When you’ve had enough of all the intersectionality nonsense, weird kinks, and identity politics that have been installed in your children’s education, your entertainment, and even your workplace to the point that you can’t just ignore it anymore, you’ll feel inclined to speak up too. It’s not just the “anti-woke” people who are talking about it; more and more normal and non-political people of all backgrounds, no matter their race, gender, or sexuality, are starting to feel the impact that this radically divisive ideology has on their daily lives and they’re rejecting it too.

Fair enough. I do agree it has gone too far. However (and I don't mean to anger you or rile you up here) if you were self-reflecting, would you say there's a possibility you lean too far the other way as a reaction? I am not saying you definitely do, but I know before I interacted with you I got the impression you are intolerant. Now that's probably the wrong impression but it is one you could give off by being so outspoken about it.

But overall I don't want you to think I don't have any sympathy for your stance, because I do. It's gone a bit too far now. But I don't think attacking people on 'the other side' is the answer - that will never lead to resolution of a conflict.

Have you tried having an honest debate with these people? You probably have, but people are generally entrenched in their views in these matters - which is why it's such an aggressive war where no middle ground is found.

People just see enemies and adversaries everywhere these days. I used to be like that but since being less obsessed with other people's views I have felt a lot better mentally. I don't know if it is getting older, but I just let go of loads of anger and now I actually enjoy life somewhat. However, I know the risk of ignoring stuff is it is allowed to continue without objection. So I understand why you and Andrew and others keep at it with your beliefs.

Question - do you believe some people (even maybe me without realising, as I always know there's scope for more introspection) are more pissed off with the woke stuff than they realise? And lean left out of fear of being ostracised as a 'gammon' (to use the British pejorative I invoked earlier) rather than genuinely believing it all?

In essence, as a straight white guy in his 40s, am I compensating by being left? Fearful of living up the stereotype if I am more on the right? I am just curious what you think...

[Coola Yagami]

When you’ve had enough of all the intersectionality nonsense, weird kinks, and identity politics that have been installed in your children’s education, your entertainment, and even your workplace to the point that you can’t just ignore it anymore, you’ll feel inclined to speak up too. It’s not just the “anti-woke” people who are talking about it; more and more normal and non-political people of all backgrounds, no matter their race, gender, or sexuality, are starting to feel the impact that this radically divisive ideology has on their daily lives and they’re rejecting it too.

It doesn't help that a lot of these freakshows are 'professional victims' just looking to get offended by something to stir up trouble.

It's gonna get to the point that you're talking to your coworker buddy at the water cooler about how your friend just had a new baby daughter, and then get sent to HR or worse because some random person happened to overhear you and felt offended that you assumed the baby's gender.

I still remember those ridiculous guidelines they had at Coke for hiring people. The one that got me the most was if you're white, try not to act too happy at your job, because you're in a position of privilege and the other minority coworkers might have hardships and hate their jobs (or whatever nonsense they said) and thus you might offend them.

The microagression ******** is getting out of hand. I understand ones where say, someone telling me 'wow, you speak English so well for being Hispanic' would actually bug me me, but ones where 'don't use terms like master bedroom because it might offend someone' are just stupid.

[The Inventive Donatello]

The one that got me the most was if you're white, try not to act too happy at your job, because you're in a position of privilege and the other minority coworkers might have hardships and hate their jobs (or whatever nonsense they said) and thus you might offend them.

'don't use terms like master bedroom because it might offend someone'

Stuff like that is just insane, I agree.

[Coola Yagami]

Have you tried having an honest debate with these people? You probably have, but people are generally entrenched in their views in these matters - which is why it's such an aggressive war where no middle ground is found.


You kinda can't. If you disagree with them, they'll consider you a Nazi, and well, nobody wants to debate with a Nazi so they'll treat and talk down to you as such. They'll never even pretend to listen to your talking points.

I mean, Gina Carano got cancelled for literally telling the truth. They call you named like bigot and racist and Nazi and whatever else, so once you're dehumanized it's easier to get away with anything bad they do to you..... just like how the Nazis dehumanized the Jews so no one would care if they got dragged out. Gina flew too close to the sun with that one and the cancel crowd burned her.

[The Inventive Donatello]

You kinda can't. If you disagree with them, they'll consider you a Nazi, and well, nobody wants to debate with a Nazi so they'll treat and talk down to you as such. They'll never even pretend to listen to your talking points.

It really all depends on how extreme the person is. In hindsight, most of you guys seem fairly alright. But I suppose if a progressive was debating with a neo-Nazi or white supremacist she/he would have a point. I suppose what you dislike is them labelling you as something you aren't in an attempt to discredit your opinion? Like labelling you as far more radical than you are?

Would you say that's the issue for you? I am trying to see things from your perspective to get more information.

Edit - what did Gina say again? I remember something vaguely but not sure what it was. All I know is I really fancied her (British term for a crush) in the Mandalorian.

[Coola Yagami]

It really all depends on how extreme the person is. In hindsight, most of you guys seem fairly alright. But I suppose if a progressive was debating with a neo-Nazi or white supremacist she/he would have a point. I suppose what you dislike is them labelling you as something you aren't in an attempt to discredit your opinion? Like labelling you as far more radical than you are?

Would you say that's the issue for you?

Edit - what did Gina say again? I remember something vaguely but not sure what it was. All I know is I really fancied her (British term for a crush) in the Mandalorian.

I pretty much paraphrased it. She pretty much said the way the Nazis were able to get rid of the Jews was that they dehumanized them first, so no one would care when they got dragged out.

She didn't outright say it but she was implying that it's similar to how the woke left will first call you bigot, homophobic, transphobic, Nazi, etc so that when they cause you to get cancelled, fired or even get death threats, no one will care because well... 'the bigot deserved it'.

I remember sometime before that she got in 'trouble' because back when the pronoun crowd DEMANDED that EVERYONE, yes, even us normal folks to have pronouns in our bio, she sarcastically said her pronouns were 'eep, opp, ork'.

But that one I mentioned above was what actually got her cancelled and fired off the Mandalorian show.


As for 'my issue', I mainly don't like how they feel you HAVE to agree with their insane ideologies OR ELSE, and they start with the shaming language. I mean it gets to the point where if you choose not to date a transperson you're automatically a transphobe and if you're fat and choose to lose weight, you're not fatphobic.

They seriously need to chill the **** out with everything being a phobic this and phobic that.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Fair enough. I do agree it has gone too far. However (and I don't mean to anger you or rile you up here) if you were self-reflecting, would you say there's a possibility you lean too far the other way as a reaction? I am not saying you definitely do, but I know before I interacted with you I got the impression you are intolerant. Now that's probably the wrong impression but it is one you could give off by being so outspoken about it.

But overall I don't want you to think I don't have any sympathy for your stance, because I do. It's gone a bit too far now. But I don't think attacking people on 'the other side' is the answer - that will never lead to resolution of a conflict.

Have you tried having an honest debate with these people? You probably have, but people are generally entrenched in their views in these matters - which is why it's such an aggressive war where no middle ground is found.

Oh, I have. Believe me, I have. And I still try. I advocate for open discussion and free speech, even for those who disagree with me. My late Dad taught me that communication is the key to a healthy relationship with other people.

But it seems that whenever I try to present different opinions and evidence to the radical left, no matter how respectful I try to be, I end up getting insulted and/or blocked. You’d think people who call themselves “tolerant” and “progressive” would be mindful of the fact that I’m technically a member of the so-called “oppressed minority” as I am a woman with autism. But they still call me slurs like “b***h”, “r**ard”, and even the C word.

Discussion and criticism are considered forms of “attacking” nowadays. Claiming to not see color is now considered “offensive”. Trying to be punctual and using good grammar is now considered to be “white”. It’s all pure nonsense; not talking about it could actually drive you mad

[Coola Yagami]

Oh, I have. Believe me, I have. And I still try. I advocate for open discussion and free speech, even for those who disagree with me. My late Dad taught me that communication is the key to a healthy relationship with other people.

But it seems that whenever I try to present different opinions and evidence to the radical left, no matter how respectful I try to be, I end up getting insulted and/or blocked. You’d think people who call themselves “tolerant” and “progressive” would be mindful of the fact that I’m technically a member of the so-called “oppressed minority” as I am a woman with autism. But they still call me slurs like “b***h”, “r**ard”, and even the C word.

Discussion and criticism are considered forms of “attacking” nowadays. Claiming to not see color is now considered “offensive”. Trying to be punctual and using good grammar is now considered to be “white”. It’s all pure nonsense; not talking about it could actually drive you mad

Wait, you use good grammar???? :o:o:o Ease up on that white hood you're wearing there, buddy.

[The Inventive Donatello]

I pretty much paraphrased it. She pretty much said the way the Nazis were able to get rid of the Jews was that they dehumanized them first, so no one would care when they got dragged out.

She didn't outright say it but she was implying that it's similar to how the woke left will first call you bigot, homophobic, transphobic, Nazi, etc so that when they cause you to get cancelled, fired or even get death threats, no one will care because well... 'the bigot deserved it'.

I remember sometime before that she got in 'trouble' because back when the pronoun crowd DEMANDED that EVERYONE, yes, even us normal folks to have pronouns in our bio, she sarcastically said her pronouns were 'eep, opp, ork'.

But that one I mentioned above was what actually got her cancelled and fired off the Mandalorian show.


As for 'my issue', I mainly don't like how they feel you HAVE to agree with their insane ideologies OR ELSE, and they start with the shaming language. I mean it gets to the point where if you choose not to date a transperson you're automatically a transphobe and if you're fat and choose to lose weight, you're not fatphobic.

They seriously need to chill the **** out with everything being a phobic this and phobic that.

Obviously it is a crude analogy she made, as the woke are hardly anywhere near as bad as Hitler and the Nazis...but if she means labelling others to take away their humanity so that they become of no worth, then she's probably right yeah. Although, as I say, it's a very crude analogy.

Trans is something I wanted to touch on - I do believe some people are born in the wrong body, and we can have no idea how horrible and gut-wrenching that must be. They deserve to be sympathised with and treated with compassion. I also agree, though, that other people (plenty of them) use trans as sort of a badge of honour and a fashion statement when they actually don't genuinely want to alter gender. Someone like Ezra Miller with his inane pronoun stuff clearly seems like someone who is using that issue to seem edgy and 'cool' (sorry poor phrase) rather than because he genuinely believes in the movement.

So I'd agree to a point - some people are genuinely trans and that is fine. I don't wanna deny a person's identity. But some are definitely co-opting an corrupting the idea and that in essence makes it even MORE difficult for those who are genuine, in my opinion.

I don't know if this would make me transphobic to some, but while I do think people who are genuinely trans should be allowed to transition, I too have zero attraction to trans women physically (they might be a lovely person, though). So if not wanting to date a trans woman based on looks or body makes me transphobic, then I guess I am. But that is silly imo.

As for fat phobic - I am on a mental health injection and it's made me go from athletic to overweight. I know I need to lose weight though it's a struggle with the false hunger. I know it is not healthy and would never pretend it is or call someone fatphobic for telling me I need to lose it.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Wait, you use good grammar???? :o:o:o Ease up on that white hood you're wearing there, buddy.

:lol::lol::lol:

What’s even more sad is that people in my own hometown think I’m from somewhere else because I don’t sound like a redneck

[The Inventive Donatello]

Oh, I have. Believe me, I have. And I still try. I advocate for open discussion and free speech, even for those who disagree with me. My late Dad taught me that communication is the key to a healthy relationship with other people.

But it seems that whenever I try to present different opinions and evidence to the radical left, no matter how respectful I try to be, I end up getting insulted and/or blocked. You’d think people who call themselves “tolerant” and “progressive” would be mindful of the fact that I’m technically a member of the so-called “oppressed minority” as I am a woman with autism. But they still call me slurs like “b***h”, “r**ard”, and even the C word.

Discussion and criticism are considered forms of “attacking” nowadays. Claiming to not see color is now considered “offensive”. Trying to be punctual and using good grammar is now considered to be “white”. It’s all pure nonsense; not talking about it could actually drive you mad

The irony is they are not progressive or open-minded at all if they call someone a retard (hate that word) because that is ableist language. So they are hypocrites and liars and simply do a disservice to their own so-called principles.

As for people taking pride in not using punctuation etc, that's just insane to me.

I would have thought not seeing colour would be what black people would want i.e. they want you not to even think that someone is black and white and just see them as a member of humanity. I don't think of someone's colour when I meet them - I have met scummy white guys and some nice ethnic minority people (Not many admittedly as I live in an area of Britain not that touched by diversity, but there are some people here).

I am sorry you have been abused for being autistic too (I suspect I am maybe on the spectrum too but never been formally diagnosed).

Fair enough on you trying to have a discussion with them. I will be honest - I thought before interacting that you were a bit of a tool, but now I have talked to you I see more of your perspective. It's a good lesson for me too - don't judge people too harshly (especially as you are a woman so I can't see the struggles you've had in terms of gender).

I asked a question above if you'd like to answer, not sure if you saw it. I will repeat it as it is always good for me to get insight into myself from others.


Question - do you believe some people (even maybe me without realising, as I always know there's scope for more introspection) are more pissed off with the woke stuff than they realise? And lean left out of fear of being ostracised as a 'gammon' (to use the British pejorative I invoked earlier) rather than genuinely believing it all?

In essence, as a straight white guy in his 40s, am I compensating by being left? Fearful of living up the stereotype if I am more on the right? I am just curious what you think...

[Coola Yagami]

Obviously it is a crude analogy she made, as the woke are hardly anywhere near as bad as Hitler and the Nazis...but if she means labelling others to take away their humanity so that they become of no worth, then she's probably right yeah. Although, as I say, it's a very crude analogy.




But she's right though. If woke Twitter has set their sights on you, they want you fired, they want you unemployable, they will send death threats to you and anyone they can find that know you, and they will keep harassing until you're either driven off the internet or end yourself.

I know it's a corny saying about 'words hurt' but they take that fact to the worst extreme. And you can't just ignore it and 'turn off the computer' when they can call your place of employment and get you fired.

[Cowabung-Gal]

The irony is they are not progressive or open-minded at all if they call someone a retard (hate that word) because that is ableist language. So they are hypocrites and liars and simply do a disservice to their own so-called principles.

As for people taking pride in not using punctuation etc, that's just insane to me.

I would have thought not seeing colour would be what black people would want i.e. they want you not to even think that someone is black and white and just see them as a member of humanity. I don't think of someone's colour when I meet them - I have met scummy white guys and some nice ethnic minority people (Not many admittedly as I live in an area of Britain not that touched by diversity, but there are some people here).

I am sorry you have been abused for being autistic too (I suspect I am maybe on the spectrum too but never been formally diagnosed).

Fair enough on you trying to have a discussion with them. I will be honest - I thought before interacting that you were a bit of a tool, but now I have talked to you I see more of your perspective. It's a good lesson for me too - don't judge people too harshly (especially as you are a woman so I can't see the struggles you've had in terms of gender).

I asked a question above if you'd like to answer, not sure if you saw it.

See, more people need to be like you: respectful and open-minded.

[The Inventive Donatello]

But she's right though. If woke Twitter has set their sights on you, they want you fired, they want you unemployable, they will send death threats to you and anyone they can find that know you, and they will keep harassing until you're either driven off the internet or end yourself.

I know it's a corny saying about 'words hurt' but they take that fact to the worst extreme. And you can't just ignore it and 'turn off the computer' when they can call your place of employment and get you fired.

Yeah they go too far sometimes. A good example of it is women being favoured in courts due to what you call wokeism and feminism, then a man kills himself as he'd denied access to his kids. This plays into gender ideas that women are 'kinder' more 'nurturing' etc - far from the case sometimes.

Will you do me a favour. I know you probably know nothing about soccer as an American, but could you look up a bit about Joey Barton. He's very anti-woke, it's a stance he has taken recently. But he has a lot of bad stuff in his history (his brother murdered a black boy and was in prison, he aided him after the fact, and there's tons more).

I would be disappointed if his extreme views are something you would sympathise with. But I guess you'd take some of his points but be more diplomatic than he is.

I think he's just doing it to stay relevant - but if not, he seems to absolutely despise women for a start.

[The Inventive Donatello]

See, more people need to be like you: respectful and open-minded.

Ok, thanks. I wasn't always like that though.

My view is this - I am not a perfect person, and I am always open to the idea I might be wrong. Too many people think it's impossible they could ever be wrong. But I know I make mistakes and am not flawless, so I have to bear in mind that I am subject to the same biases and mistakes everyone else is.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah they go too far sometimes.

Will you do me a favour. I know you probably know nothing about soccer as an American, but could you look up a bit about Joey Barton. He's very anti-woke, it's a stance he has taken recently. But he has a lot of bad stuff in his history (his brother murdered a black boy and was in prison, he aided him after the fact, and there's tons more).

I would be disappointed if his extreme views are something you would sympathise with. But I guess you'd take some of his points but be more diplomatic than he is.

I think he's just doing it to stay relevant - but if not, he seems to absolutely despise women for a start.

I'll look him up when I can, but I see you previously lumped him in with Andrew Tate. If he's anything like him then he's probably an asshole too. I don't agree with Tate and how he pretty much wants to own women as property.

[The Inventive Donatello]

I'll look him up when I can, but I see you previously lumped him in with Andrew Tate. If he's anything like him then he's probably an asshole too. I don't agree with Tate and how he pretty much wants to own women as property.

Yeah I figured that. I figured you are less radical than that, and that's why it gets your back up when you are grouped with the likes of Tate.

Forgive my French, but Barton is just a ****ing idiot. He's done so much dumb stuff, and at one point he tried to rebrand himself as a philosopher. Now he's gone down a massive rabbit hole.

The guy has previous for violence etc, and was a very average footballer too. He's just an idiot.

One thing he says is that only ex-players can analyse football as pundits, and women are taking men's place in punditry (he says this very aggressively). I don't agree with this because my view is you don't have to have been the best at something to understand it - and often being brilliant at something doesn't mean you don't chat a lot of nonsense when watching it (hence most of football's best ever managers not being the best ever players).

I get more right than some of these ex top level pros when it comes to predictions, and I never played near the top level. The same is true for many others who didn't but speak more sense. So barton is being a mug imo. Just because the women's game is nowhere near as good as the men's doesn't mean a woman can't analyse a game better than an ex-pro who played in the Premier League (the highest level of English football).

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah I figured that. I figured you are less radical than that, and that's why it gets your back up when you are grouped with the likes of Tate.

Forgive my French, but Barton is just a ****ing idiot. He's done so much dumb stuff, and at one point he tried to rebrand himself as a philosopher. Now he's gone down a massive rabbit hole.

The guy has previous for violence etc, and was a very average footballer too. He's just an idiot.

One thing he says is that only ex-players can analyse football as pundits, and women are taking men's place in punditry. I don't agree with this because my view is you don't have to have been the best at something to understand it - and often being brilliant at something doesn't mean you don't chat a lot of nonsense when watching it (hence most of football's best ever managers not being the best ever players).

I get more right than some of these ex top level pros when it comes to predictions, and I never played near the top level. The same is true for many others who didn't but speak more sense. So barton is being a mug imo.

Yeah, at first glance I saw several videos with people commenting on Barton going after women pundits. That must be his most recent scandal. His actual channel looked boring though.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Question - do you believe some people (even maybe me without realising, as I always know there's scope for more introspection) are more pissed off with the woke stuff than they realise? And lean left out of fear of being ostracised as a 'gammon' (to use the British pejorative I invoked earlier) rather than genuinely believing it all?

In essence, as a straight white guy in his 40s, am I compensating by being left? Fearful of living up the stereotype if I am more on the right? I am just curious what you think...

Well, wokeness instinctively feels unnatural but we’re expected to pretend that it’s natural because the big-shot celebrities, activist politicians and plastic media people say we should. Just being a happy and normal person is considered a sin because someone else on this planet is unhappy and abnormal and we’re supposed to compensate for them by being just as unhappy and abnormal, if you get what I’m saying. If for example you say that young children shouldn’t learn about s*x toys in school, then you’re automatically labeled “alt-right” even though you have traditional liberal views. What is even “alt-right”, “racist”, or “homophobic” anymore? Fear of being ostracized and even losing their livelihood is what’s keeping a good majority from speaking up.

It’s not Left vs Right anymore; it’s now Normalcy vs Degeneracy. Evil only wins when good men don’t do anything.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Yeah, at first glance I saw several videos with people commenting on Barton going after women pundits. That must be his most recent scandal. His actual channel looked boring though.

I don't pay much attention to him - I just see his threads on individual club forums where most people say he's just doing this to stay relevant with people who are misogynists, racists etc. Who knows if that is his aim. However, he's an idiot. I could paste in a whole host of his indiscretions that I read elsewhere, but I suspect you'd get bored as it's so long.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Well, wokeness instinctively feels unnatural but we’re expected to pretend that it’s natural because the big-shot celebrities, activist politicians and plastic media people say we should. Just being a happy and normal person is considered a sin because someone else on this planet is unhappy and abnormal and we’re supposed to compensate for them by being just as unhappy and abnormal. If you say that young children shouldn’t learn about s*x toys in school, then you’re automatically labeled “alt-right” even though you have traditional liberal views.

It’s not Left vs Right anymore; it’s now Normal vs Degeneracy. Evil only wins when good men don’t do anything

I said that earlier actually - left and right are outdated terms.

I wouldn't go as far into it as you do, or be as scathing about it and see it black and white or us vs them as you do (no disrespect obviously), but I do have sympathy for some of your views. For instance of course kids shouldn't be learning about sex toys in school, I totally agree there.

Since you are talking about sex education...How do you feel about the nuclear family and traditional family roles? A large part of me thinks the world would be much better if it was like this (maybe I lean more right then in this sense?). A lot of men and women are whores these days and it seems like a 21st century fu ck fest. Not to come across as a puritan, because a large part of me wants to sleep with many women. However, deep down, I know that is the lustful, hedonistic side of me (which too often takes precedence). I think in a better society marriages would last longer if our society and kids would be better adjusted if it wasn't so sex-crazed and so about hook-up culture. People's mental health would be better too and the world would be less shallow and superficial i feel.

I am meandering and rambling a bit here, but I do think the sex-crazed world we live in now feeds into a lot of the issues in society. And as stated, I am part of it cos I want to sleep with multiple women too, lol.

[The Inventive Donatello]

As for actors and famous people leaning left - they are hypocrites.

They do that for the brownie points while collecting their vast cheques. Some genuinely care but too many are doing it for the PR. You get the hypocrites like De Niro who makes a big thing about caring about others, yet he was in court recently for some transgressions. Famous people are generally awful.

One thing I hate is famous people and their boasting about their 'charity work' - it's generally done for PR and most of it is tax avoidance anyway. I wouldn't listen to gimps like Robert Downey Junior or De Niro.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Since you are talking about sex education...How do you feel about the nuclear family and traditional family roles? A large part of me thinks the world would be much better if it was like this (maybe I lean more right then in this sense?). A lot of men and women are whores these days and it seems like a 21st century fu ck fest. Not to come across as a puritan, because a large part of me wants to sleep with many women. However, deep down, I know that is the lustful, hedonistic side of me (which too often takes precedence). I think in a better society marriages would last longer if our society and kids would be better adjusted if it wasn't so sex-crazed and so about hook-up culture.

I am meandering and rambling a bit here, but I do think the sex-crazed world we live in now feeds into a lot of the issues in society. And as stated, I am part of it cos I want to sleep with multiple women too, lol.

Statistically households with both parents around are much healthier than single-parent households. Children, especially boys, need father figures in their lives to guide them in ways that their mothers typically can’t do. People don’t have to be married to be happy and not all single people are unhappy, but having a spouse can benefit them not only financially but mentally as well, as long as the marriage is healthy of course. Just screwing around with random women all the time can expose you to serious s*xual diseases like AIDS. Also, what does living such a hedonistic lifestyle say about you: that you’re irresponsible and have commitment issues? That you have no limits? There’s got to be some discipline.

[The Inventive Donatello]

So who wants to take bets on which banned account "The Inventive Donatello" actually is?

I am a very different person than I used to be. Less arrogant and egotistical, more open-minded. But yeah, I am not proud of my behaviour on here in the past and I hope I warrant a second chance. It's been many years anyway.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Statistically households with both parents around are much healthier than single-parent households. Children, especially boys, need father figures in their lives to guide them in ways that their mothers typically can’t do. People don’t have to be married to be happy and not all single people are unhappy, but having a spouse can benefit them not only financially but mentally as well, as long as the marriage is healthy of course. Just screwing around with random women all the time can expose you to serious s*xual diseases like AIDS. Also, what does living such a hedonistic lifestyle say about you: that you’re irresponsible and have commitment issues? That you have no limits?

Yeah on the first part I tend to agree - single parent families are often happy too, but there's definitely a big advantage to mum and dad living together and being with each other.

As for the second part - I was gonna mention AIDS yeah. With me (and not getting too personal) I feel like I didn't 'play the field' enough when I was younger, so would like to make up for lost time. If you understand. I just find so many women attractive that I don't wanna just settle for one, not straight away anyway.

Does that make me sound like a prick? If it does, I am well aware of it being flawed thinking on my part. It would probably be a very empty few years to behave like that anyway. You're right that a relationship with a woman would probably be a lot better for me - I just don't realise it.

I definitely have commitment issues by the way - I have had chances to meet women that I talk to online and I freeze up every time even though it could lead to something good potentially. Sounds like you are good at reading people.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I just find so many women attractive that I don't wanna just settle for one, not straight away anyway.

Does that make me sound like a prick? If it does, I am well aware of it being flawed thinking on my part. It would probably be a very empty few years to behave like that anyway. You're right that a relationship with a woman would probably be a lot better for me - I just don't realise it.

Hey, you’re a guy. What can I say? Boys will be boys. :lol:

But being in a committed, healthy relationship will definitely help you in the long run. Will it be easy to stay faithful? No of course not, especially if you live in a hookup, hyper-sexualized culture. For religious couples, it’s easier to stay committed because they have standards and morals, although many of them do end up destroying their marriage anyway. A man isn’t defined by how many women he bangs; he’s defined by his character and courage to do what’s right (I know that sounds cheesy)

[The Inventive Donatello]

Hey, you’re a guy. What can I say? Boys will be boys. :lol:

But being in a committed, healthy relationship will definitely help you in the long run. Will it be easy to stay faithful? No of course not, especially if you live in a hookup, hyper-sexualized culture. For religious couples, it’s easier to stay committed because they have standards and morals, although many of them do end up destroying their marriage anyway. A man isn’t defined by how many women he bangs; he’s defined by his character and courage to do what’s right (I know that sounds cheesy)

Fair enough. I am not religious but I tend to agree that monogamy is better.

Getting too personal and thread isn't about me so deleted it.

It doesn't sound cheesy, I totally agree with you.

[Sumac]

I get your point - you're reacting to the progressive onslaught. I agree it has gone too far. But it's a slippery slope when you start talking about being 'anti woke' because a lot of people who fall in that category are genuinely racist, homophobic etc.
By this logic people who are defending trans and the like, are pedophiles and perverts, since there are quite a lot of them in the "movement", which technically means anyone who supports those values are on the side of pedos and pervs.

See, how it works?

You are basically creating a strawman and brandish it as a scarecrow to stop people from saying their opinion, which is a cheap manipulation. "Oh no, people will think you are just Andrew Tate, if you say this!".

**** this noise: normal people will judge YOU for what YOU have to say, not because it somehow similar to something said by bastards out there. This tactic "don't criticize thing, because, it gives power to bad people / sounds similar to bad people" is one of the cheap tricks of SJW to manipulate others, silencing them up and creating vision of a "uniform support" of their cause, when in fact not everyone support it. It is a peer pressure, which should be opposed.

Since you are talking about sex education...How do you feel about the nuclear family and traditional family roles? A large part of me thinks the world would be much better if it was like this (maybe I lean more right then in this sense?). A lot of men and women are whores these days and it seems like a 21st century fu ck fest. Not to come across as a puritan, because a large part of me wants to sleep with many women. However, deep down, I know that is the lustful, hedonistic side of me (which too often takes precedence). I think in a better society marriages would last longer if our society and kids would be better adjusted if it wasn't so sex-crazed and so about hook-up culture. People's mental health would be better too and the world would be less shallow and superficial i feel.
People should have right to choose how to live their lives, but it doesn't free them from consequences or judgement of others.

Example: if you date a whore, who uses you for money and then called out for it, well, don't be offended. Own it.
Another example: if you have a crazy sex life (****ing everything that moves) and people point out that its unhealthy and can lead to both physical and emotional problems, don't be offended and call others "close minded bigots".

[Mayhem]

Hilariously you just described logic of a typical "wokey" who genuinely believes that all conservative people are like that.
Well, I did say "many" and not "all", because not all of them are like that. You know that, I know that. Same way most Muslim people aren't terrorists either, and most black people aren't going to mug you, but you can sure fire find some of the population who believe those two things as well.

For religious couples, it’s easier to stay committed because they have standards and morals, although many of them do end up destroying their marriage anyway.)
I'm just laughing and rolling my eyes because this basically implies non religious people can't possibly have standards and morals. Truth is, many of the worst cheaters and hypocrites to marriage are... religious people. I inherited my morals and standards from my non religious parents, who are/were two incredible people. I readily admit that matters could have been a lot worse in regards to this.

Despite their strong pro-family values, evangelical Christians have higher than average divorce rates, in fact, being more likely to be divorced than Americans who claim no religion. How amusing.

Example: if you date a whore, who uses you for money and then called out for it, well, don't be offended. Own it.
Ah Stormy Daniels... Trump so owned that :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

I feel it's the fact that some people can't control their urges and repressing them too long make them snap.

That's why overly religious people sleep around or whatever, because they repress their urges for so long, one day they decide to sleep around or do worse.

I kinda feel that's why Japan has all the hentai and tentacle stuff, they live in a very heavily repressed 'work til you die' society. Eventually the urges become too much.

I mean, if I could, I'd service half the AEW women's locker room, but I mean, STDs and risk of pregnancy is a thing. I also didn't grow up in this modern-day hook up culture, so fantasies aside I don't think I can sleep with someone without knowing them first and without catching feelings.

[Sumac]

Ah Stormy Daniels... Trump so owned that :lol:
Typical TDS? Typical TDS.

I'm just laughing and rolling my eyes because this basically implies non religious people can't possibly have standards and morals.
Laugh all you want, but religions played quite an important part in creating those morals and standards. Basically all standards you have in the West were derived from Christianity (which derived them from even earlier religions).

So while non-religious people obviously have morals, they are still largely derived from religions.

[Zulithe]

So nobody is suspicious that this new Donatello person has made several references to Rage-quitter Andr3w (no, not Tate), and starts posting here not long after he-man.org shut down (where he would regularly post)

Can mods even confirm they are really posting from Europe

What, not suspicious at all? Okay, carry on. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

So nobody is suspicious that this new Donatello person has made several references to Rage-quitter Andr3w (no, not Tate), and starts posting here not long after he-man.org shut down (where he would regularly post)

Can mods even confirm they are really posting from Europe

What, not suspicious at all? Okay, carry on. :lol:

I mean.... Seeing that you-know-who is at work and does a physical job that doesn't allow time to type out these long ass detailed posts and counter arguments, I doubt it.

You have to remember, back in the day he didn't have a steady 9 to 5 like he does now. But back then, yeah, he had the free time for the long novel posts.

[IMJ]

So nobody is suspicious that this new Donatello person has made several references to Rage-quitter Andr3w (no, not Tate), and starts posting here not long after he-man.org shut down (where he would regularly post)

Can mods even confirm they are really posting from Europe

What, not suspicious at all? Okay, carry on. :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I mean.... Seeing that you-know-who is at work and does a physical job that doesn't allow time to type out these long ass detailed posts and counter arguments, I doubt it.

God forbid someone finally got a job like everyone else on Earth and now wears it publicly as if it's a talking point. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:



God forbid someone finally got a job like everyone else on Earth and now wears it publicly as if it's a talking point. :lol:

No I mean, he would be at the job NOW and not have the time to do all the heavy posting lmao.

I can only post cause mine is an office job and I can multi-task with my phone. Dude is doing actual manual labor.

[The Inventive Donatello]

So nobody is suspicious that this new Donatello person has made several references to Rage-quitter Andr3w (no, not Tate), and starts posting here not long after he-man.org shut down (where he would regularly post)

Can mods even confirm they are really posting from Europe

What, not suspicious at all? Okay, carry on. :lol:

I know and am in infrequent contact with the person you are referring to, but I am not him. Anyway, we said we wouldn't talk about him again and I don't think it is fair to bring him up when he isn't here to defend himself.

I am definitely from Europe. I use a VPN though claiming I am in Manchester (at the moment) when I am actually in a different part of Britain. I am not sure even checking my IP address or whatever could confirm it.

My posting isn't consistent with said person either. Other than being quite verbose (as he is), I have a totally different style of writing and completely different interests - he would never go near a lot of the films I have posted about and he has zero interest in football/soccer either, and doesn't even know who Lionel Messi or Franz Beckenbauer are - two men I have alluded to on here.

I am sure you are an intelligent person, so you'll see you're putting two and two together and coming up with five - unless you think I am said person and am being deliberately misleading through posting about subjects I have zero interest in. To be fair, that would be dedication to the cause.

I could quite easily say which former poster I am but I would fear being banned even after all these years, despite me being a much better and calmer person now. To be fair, I am pretty sure anyone can figure it out given what I have revealed about myself.

The timing for what you refer to is purely coincidental. In fact, my account was approved a year ago - the issue is I set it up on a disposable email address and didn't check it again for a long time, purely because Krang and Shredder never post now and I was aware it would take months if not a year for my account to be approved. As it is it took them about 6 months but in the intervening period I had forgotten all about it and moved on to other stuff. It just so happens I was lurking here again after Xmas and remembered I had set up an account here. I looked at the disposable email and voila, I was approved last January.

But I don't know why I am writing all of this as I don't have to justify myself to you or anyone else, nor confirm my identity or that I am not 'he who shant be named'.

[The Inventive Donatello]

By this logic people who are defending trans and the like, are pedophiles and perverts, since there are quite a lot of them in the "movement", which technically means anyone who supports those values are on the side of pedos and pervs.

See, how it works?

You are basically creating a strawman and brandish it as a scarecrow to stop people from saying their opinion, which is a cheap manipulation. "Oh no, people will think you are just Andrew Tate, if you say this!".

**** this noise: normal people will judge YOU for what YOU have to say, not because it somehow similar to something said by bastards out there. This tactic "don't criticize thing, because, it gives power to bad people / sounds similar to bad people" is one of the cheap tricks of SJW to manipulate others, silencing them up and creating vision of a "uniform support" of their cause, when in fact not everyone support it. It is a peer pressure, which should be opposed.





Fair enough. You're right, it isn't fair to put people in boxes. There needs to be more open discussion and discourse.

I feel it's the fact that some people can't control their urges and repressing them too long make them snap.

That's why overly religious people sleep around or whatever, because they repress their urges for so long, one day they decide to sleep around or do worse.

I kinda feel that's why Japan has all the hentai and tentacle stuff, they live in a very heavily repressed 'work til you die' society. Eventually the urges become too much.

I mean, if I could, I'd service half the AEW women's locker room, but I mean, STDs and risk of pregnancy is a thing. I also didn't grow up in this modern-day hook up culture, so fantasies aside I don't think I can sleep with someone without knowing them first and without catching feelings.

That is kind of how I feel - I'd like to experience different women, but scared of STDs and I'm definitely not cut out to be a father. I guess it is more of a fantasy type thing for me because I find women so physically attractive. But in the real world most men (and women) don't live that way - they have a few sexual partners then settle down. This new extreme hook-up culture seems more of a Gen Z thing and is fueled and propagated by the rise of the internet and sites like Tinder.

But I do agree there are a lot of repressed urges out there too and plenty of people aren't happy with their partners.

[Bahamut810]

Thanks

Yeah I don't see why I should be banned. I have rarely attacked anyone and have tried to display some balance for both sides. I lean left but I am not a drooling prick who defines my identity by it. If anything I am totally fed up of the culture wars and just want people to get along and not judge each other - no special treatment.

I suppose minorities and women were held down for so long that there's now an element of 'let's get our own back' and it has gone too far the other way. I just wish they didn't see all us white people (and especially white men) as the enemy. I am friendly with everyone until they give me a reason not to be.

You saw me call out the show When They See us for its black propaganda (or I am betting you did, as I said it twice, in two separate threads). If I was a radical leftist I would take the left view in every single debate. But people who can't take an individual debate on its own merits without informing it solely by their politics? Well, they do my head in. Some things I lean left on more than others, some I even lean a little right I would expect. You simply have to look at each subject on its own merits.

Oh, I don't want you banned. I don't know who you might actually be but the timing of your account is just suspicious as there have been at least one person I can think of that has had multiple burner accounts they used to skirt bans. A year old account who never said anything before suddenly being very active is a thing.

More power to you if you aren't.

[IMJ]

No I mean, he would be at the job NOW and not have the time to do all the heavy posting lmao.

I can only post cause mine is an office job and I can multi-task with my phone. Dude is doing actual manual labor.

I've done plenty of 'actual manual labor' ranging from factory work to physical public service at the state level. You either do those jobs and outgrow them, or do those jobs and embrace them, but you don't put a crown on simply because your decision was to get a job where you are physically uncomfortable and challenged. That's Napolean Dynamite $#!( right there.

I don't give a sympathy-f if someone works hard and comes home tired. That's your choice. If you don't like it, improve your skill set, grow a brain cell and go program computers or something. I can respect their work, all the way up until they pull a power play through it.

[The Inventive Donatello]

I've done plenty of 'actual manual labor' ranging from factory work to physical public service at the state level. You either do those jobs and outgrow them, or do those jobs and embrace them, but you don't put a crown on simply because your decision was to get a job where you are physically uncomfortable and challenged.

Just give the guy a break. As you can see from above, he has other things to care and worry about. I regret saying what I did earlier to Andrew about gay-hating and bringing his name in. I severely underestimated that it could escalate and never expected it to end up like this.

As he said he will probably kick off at me in an email now. I made a big mistake and it should just be put behind us. Just leave the guy alone and let him get on with his life.

[Coola Yagami]

If it's one thing I realized, is maybe the whole being angry at wokeness and being anti-woke is starting to get to me too, and this place what keeps bringing out the worst in me. I can't have that negativity in my life and waste time feeling like that. Not good for the soul. From on I'll just make my stance by speaking with my wallet, which is honestly all one can really do.

This might not be an airport, but I'm announcing my departure from the Drome. The franchise is pretty much a shell of it's former self anyways. Long live the Great Turtle and may 80's April O'Neil always have a sweet ass.

Cowabunga dudes. This is sayonara.

[The Inventive Donatello]

If it's one thing I realized, is maybe the whole being angry at wokeness and being anti-woke is starting to get to me too, and this place what keeps bringing out the worst in me. I can't have that negativity in my life and waste time feeling like that. Not good for the soul. From on I'll just make my stance by speaking with my wallet, which is honestly all one can really do.

This might not be an airport, but I'm announcing my departure from the Drome. The franchise is pretty much a shell of it's former self anyways. Long live the Great Turtle and may 80's April O'Neil always have a sweet ass.

Cowabunga dudes. This is sayonara.


Seriously, you're leaving?

And that was my point with Andrew earlier - even if I can sympathise to a degree with some things he said, ultimately he's only hurting himself by being so invested. As you have realised, we have to let go at some point and just try to enjoy life. There's so much bad stuff in the world that we'd go insane if we worried about it all the time.

[XERO]

Well, looks like this thread is in deep ****, ain't it?

[Andrew NDB]

ultimately he's only hurting himself by being so invested.

No I'm not. And it's not my fault you have a perception that I'm "so invested."

[The Inventive Donatello]

No I'm not. And it's not my fault you have a perception that I'm "so invested."

Fair play. But I think it gets to you more than you care to admit or even realise. If it didn't, why would you talk about it all so much? It's pretty much what you're mainly known for on here.

You don't seem to have anger issues, or at least they don't seem evident - but that doesn't mean this stuff doesn't bother you.

If you are intelligent you will show some introspection and reevaluate your behaviour - only arrogant people are convinced they could never be wrong and don't want to seek out more viewpoints. It seems you're too set in your ways and entrenched in your thinking - and you don't even seem to have any insight that you are.

That's why, despite leaning a little left, I have tried to listen to your views and see them from your side and believe you do make some good points sometimes (and other people here too). But you don't seem willing to do that with others. You're always right and others are wrong, apparently...

You're smart, charismatic and articulate, but I feel it is offset with some issues in your personality...there's arrogance and patronising tendencies there.

Edit: anyway can't be bothered interacting with you anymore or listening to your issues.

[Mayhem]

And a hello to you as well Leo :lol: well that gave me a chuckle at least to distract me a few minutes from both daughter and better half going to be in hospital shortly… thankfully little miss should be recovered by the time big bad momma bear has to go in.

Laugh all you want, but religions played quite an important part in creating those morals and standards. Basically all standards you have in the West were derived from Christianity (which derived them from even earlier religions). So while non-religious people obviously have morals, they are still largely derived from religions.
Oh I wasn’t laughing at the source of said morals, I agree, parts of the Bible teachings and philosophy make for sound guidance in life. It was the statement that only religious people could possibly have morals and standards full stop :roll:

[Cowabung-Gal]

Cowabunga dudes. This is sayonara.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8f5ee39a3ced6fa074572de65e8eb27b/tumblr_oob5b16zKM1vtnrofo1_1280.jpg

[IMJ]

Just give the guy a break

Huh? I haven't even read his posts, and I replied to Coola's convo. Given that Coola and I have a level of interaction that you and I do not, I would say my post was spot on across any context you want to assign it.

I don't burn the bridges, but once some ******* lights the fire, I definitely let them turn to ash.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Huh? I haven't even read his posts, and I replied to Coola's convo. Given that Coola and I have a level of interaction that you and I do not, I would say my post was spot on across any context you want to assign it.

I don't burn the bridges, but once some ******* lights the fire, I definitely let them turn to ash.

I don't know what you are talking about as regards Coola. Your original post was a snarky three smiley thing referring to a certain person.

I am saying I made a mistake originally and now that certain person wants to be left alone and not mentioned again on this forum (something I wasn't aware of before). So just stop winding him up when he has a stressful life and doesn't need the hassle.

Just let it go, the guy is leaving.

[MikeandRaph87]

Coola,please stay out of threads that you know will be divisive. Block the ones who annoy you. Don't let ideology get to you. We are a stubborn species.


Hi,Leo. I for one miss having you around and I like your takes on DC, only I wish you liked pre-crisis more.


Society is doing its job. It's dividing us. I stand firm on one side, but I won't let it ruin my fun here.

[KROW]

Y'all need to take a step back, grab a cup of tea, and laugh at this whole societal train wreck and stop letting it get to you. None of this sh*t is gonna matter in ten years, anyway. Civilization has been burning down for centuries. It's a slow burn and nothing said on a Ninja Turtle forum is going to change it, so you might as well get some popcorn and warm your toes by the fire. Tend to those in your circle and be kind to others in the street. Everything else will fall into place.

Jesus.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Y'all need to take a step back, grab a cup of tea, and laugh at this whole societal train wreck and stop letting it get to you. None of this sh*t is gonna matter in ten years, anyway. Civilization has been burning down for centuries. It's a slow burn and nothing said on a Ninja Turtle forum is going to change it, so you might as well get some popcorn and warm your toes by the fire. Tend to those in your circle and be kind to others in the street. Everything else will fall into place.

Jesus.

That's what I think too. I am tired of the culture wars and was just asking why it bothers some on here to the degree it does. I got some decent answers to be fair. The arguing went too far though.

We should just try to enjoy our lives because we can't change much. These fights will go on and on in society and it just tears people apart. There are good and bad people in every demograph and all over the political spectrum.

Bold is absolutely correct, maybe give to charity too if we can afford it. That's what we have to focus on on life, the people in our vicinity.

[Andrew NDB]

That's what I think too. I am tired of the culture wars and was just asking why it bothers some on here to the degree it does.

The "culture war," in a nutshell: one side goes nuts and pushes a bunch of crazy crap on pop culture, kids, entertainment and societal norms that would have almost universally seemed crazy to consider even 8 years ago. The other side: they notice.

A very savage war, with so much blood on both sides.

[The Inventive Donatello]

The "culture war," in a nutshell: one side goes nuts and pushes a bunch of crazy crap on pop culture, kids, entertainment and societal norms that would have almost universally seemed crazy to consider even 8 years ago. The other side: they notice.

A very savage war, with so much blood on both sides.

Interesting. 8 years ago is about when this rise in populism and growing confidence of 'the right' (hate that phrase) types started.

The thing is...

There are far bigger things to worry about in life than if a cartoon character was once white and is now black, or was once a man and is now a woman. I understand when it actually affects the story, but if it does not, who cares? I would much rather April had been thin and white in Mutant Mayhem, but it would still have been a mediocre film with that.

Equally, Amber being black in Invincible does not lessen my enjoyment of the show one iota than if her race had not been changed. Yet I go on IMDB review page to read about the show and am subjected to frothing at the mouth crying over her race from double digit IQ wastes of existence. Rating a perfectly enjoyable show 1/10 solely because a character was made black.

Look at the world we are living in - Putin's insanity, innocent kids dying in the Gaza Strip and other areas of the Middle East. Women and gay people being treated like garbage and executed in the Middle East. This stuff all bothers me but I know I can do nothing as an individual so I support the causes I can and go on with my life, knowing that I have it better than plenty and feeling compassion for them, helping as much as I can in terms of money.

But you, what do you care about? Like me, entertainment is one of the most important things in your life, if not the most. But you have absolutely ZERO perspective. You care far more about a character's race being changed than stuff that actually matters in the world. I love films and TV shows too but I know what actually matters.

You're a 42 year old man with kids and a wife. What will you do if one if your kids grows up to be gay or trans? Disown him/her? Don't you think it's time you got your priorities straight? I am not trying to be aggressive or confrontational, I am really not. But you care more about the 'wokeness' and being exposed to more black and gay people in the media than you do things that actually matter. And you are far from alone in that respect. It's absolutely bizarre.

There's some stuff you talk about I agree with to an extent - I have told you that already. I have also told you I believe you are clever and articulate. But your priorities are all to seed. You've made some good points about leftist hypocrisy in some senses. But this noticing and fretting over 'wokeness' in films and TV shows is some of the biggest first-world privilege I have ever had the misfortune to witness. You should be grateful you have a TV to watch films in the first place because many people around the world don't have a thing to their name.

Just grow up for fu ck sake, Andrew. I have tried my best with you these last few days but you simply don't get society or the world at large. And what actually matters.

[The Inventive Donatello]

I was reading past threads earlier and you acted like annoying blue-haired feminists (and you are right, those types are ****ing annoying) would be worse to live next to than a religious zealot or deranged alt-right nutjob. In general (and stats show this) the latter types are far more dangerous.

I think you are a disgrace for having values such as that and if you have daughters you're sabotaging their futures. What sort of example are you setting? You're so consumed with prejudice that you'd put your family in more statistical danger just because you don't want to mix with someone with different political views.

Maybe it is a low blow to bring your family into it, but you go in two-footed on enough groups, someone needs to give you a taste of your own medicine.

Also, your habit of cutting quotes to zone in on one thing and because you don't want to address everything written is very irritating (and others on here do it too).

[Coola Yagami]

I was reading past threads earlier and you acted like annoying blue-haired feminists (and you are right, those types are ****ing annoying) would be worse to live next to than a religious zealot or deranged alt-right nutjob. In general (and stats show this) the latter types are far more dangerous.

I think you are a disgrace for having values such as that and if you have daughters you're sabotaging their futures. What sort of example are you setting?

Maybe it is a low blow to bring your family into it, but you go in two-footed on enough groups, someone needs to give you a taste of your own medicine.

Let this be my final post on the Drome.

Dude, slow your roll. I get what you're trying to do, but Andrew is not going to 'see the light' or whatever. Stop bringing his family and kids into this. It's pretty much becoming personal attacks at this point.

Anyways, thanks for the kind words everyone but yeah.... it's time to go. See y'all wherever I see ya.

And for the record, Amber was changed in more than just her race. Due to her being black they went with the 'angry black woman' stereotype that comic Amber didn't have, and she pretty much treats Mark like ****. One of the biggest examples was when both Ambers found out Mark was a superhero. Comic Amber was relieved cause she thought he might have been involved in drugs or something (you know, since he'd always be sneaking around and whatnot) so she was happy and relieved he was a superhero. TV show Amber chewed him out and was angry he never told her, then she says she knew all along, which doesn't make sense why she was so angry.

Then when he came to her after finding out his father was a mass murder genocide machine, TV Show Amber was like 'guess I wasn't the only one lied to huh'? Like **** you ****. You can't compare a guy hiding his identity for his and YOUR safety to finding out your own father was a conqueror and mass murderer. I'm sure there are some people were upset based on the race change alone, but no, they ruined her entire character and made her a hateful bitch when compared to the comic counterpart.


Anyways, Coola out. Thanks for the memories guys, but I can't do this **** anymore.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Let this be my final post on the Drome.

Dude, slow your roll. I get what you're trying to do, but Andrew is not going to 'see the light' or whatever. Stop bringing his family and kids into this. It's pretty much becoming personal attacks at this point.

Anyways, thanks for the kind words everyone but yeah.... it's time to go. See y'all wherever I see ya.

And for the record, Amber was changed in more than just her race. Due to her being black they went with the 'angry black woman' stereotype that comic Amber didn't have, and she pretty much treats Mark like ****. One of the biggest examples was when both Ambers found out Mark was a superhero. Comic Amber was relieved cause she thought he might have been involved in drugs or something (you know, since he'd always be sneaking around and whatnot) so she was happy and relieved he was a superhero. TV show Amber chewed him out and was angry he never told her, then she says she knew all along, which doesn't make sense why she was so angry.

Then when he came to her after finding out his father was a mass murder genocide machine, TV Show Amber was like 'guess I wasn't the only one lied to huh'? Like **** you ****. You can't compare a guy hiding his identity for his and YOUR safety to finding out your own father was a conqueror and mass murderer. I'm sure people were upset based on the race change alone, but no, they ruined her entire character and made her a hateful bitch when compared to the comic counterpart.


Anyways, Coola out. Thanks for the memories guys, but I can't do this **** anymore.

It's maybe the only thing that will sort his mind out. People telling HIM that HE might be the problem, rather than the people he despises. He's got a lot to say about other people and what 'freaks' they are, so let's see how he likes being judged. I also think it is a fair question. If one of his kids grows up to be gay, how will he handle it? My great aunt and great uncle almost disowned my second cousin for being gay.

Goodbye, take care.

EDIT: to show I am not a drooling radical leftist, Andrew, and to highlight that I take each individual case/scenario on its own merits, here are some more 'right' views I hold that you'd agree with. I was reading through past threads and seen people discussing some of this:

Many feminists are annoying;

Drag Queens should not be reading stories to young kids;

Young kids should not be exposed to sex ed and perverted stuff;

Trans women (though I agree with their right to transition) should not be competing in female sports;

Joe Biden is an imbecile;

George Floyd was a criminal. He didn't deserve to die, but he should not be lauded as a symbol, either;

The TV show When They See Us - about black men - was very biased towards black men and turned the white women prosecutors into cartoon character villains. This has changed history, a propagandised TV show.


I am sure there is more. If you stuck to the above rather than having a problem with people for the way they are, I'd have no problem.

One more thing - how arrogant are you to think you should have a say in how strangers live their lives? If two consenting gay men move in next to you and want to have sex next door, it is absolutely none of your business, and you (or me) trying to tell them they cannot is laughable. How high on your own self-importance are you that you think you can control how others live their lives, even if they're doing it harmlessly and legally?

It's time for a reality check, my old son. You've been pissing on these forums for far too long and getting away with it, too.

[Sumac]

I think you are a disgrace for having values such as that and if you have daughters you're sabotaging their futures. What sort of example are you setting? You're so consumed with prejudice that you'd put your family in more statistical danger just because you don't want to mix with someone with different political views.

Maybe it is a low blow to bring your family into it, but you go in two-footed on enough groups, someone needs to give you a taste of your own medicine.
What the **** is wrong with you?!

I don't give a **** about someone criticizing others, even though it is obvious you have a bone to grind with Andrew, far more than with anyone else.

But bringing his family into this ****, is just low and disgusting. You know very little about person, outside of what they let you know on this forum and this whole spiel is just makes you look like a dumb and hysterical zealot.

But to be honest, I've suspected, that you are some kind of a troll, given your rhetoric and activity, who has come here just to bring conflict around (which was mostly absent for the last year), but now it becomes very much obvious.

What is your ultimate goal? Run everyone who don't support SJW **** from here? I don't think you'd accomplish it. If anything, you'd get burned here.

Also, for ****'s sake learn what is an EDIT button. Because, you double and tripple posting looks like it was made by a ****ing bot.

It's time for a reality check, my old son. You've been pissing on these forums for far too long and getting away with it, too.
Its not for you to decide.
GTFO.

[Zulithe]

Y'all really letting this "newbie" (we all know it's you leo, keep crying about it) who came out of nowhere rile you all up. Anyway, it's clear mods just aren't active here anymore, and so this place is just going to rot away without anyone to do anything about trolls. Probably time to abandon ship. I'll be posting in toy threads and any threads with positive, productive discussions about the turtles themselves. These other threads are just disasters.

[The Inventive Donatello]

What the **** is wrong with you?!

I don't give a **** about someone criticizing others, even though it is obvious you have a bone to grind with Andrew, far more than with anyone else.

But bringing his family into this ****, is just low and disgusting. You know very little about person, outside of what they let you know on this forum and this whole spiel is just makes you look like a dumb and hysterical zealot.

But to be honest, I've suspected, that you are some kind of a troll, given your rhetoric and activity, who has come here just to bring conflict around (which was mostly absent for the last year), but now it becomes very much obvious.

What is your ultimate goal? Run everyone who don't support SJW **** from here? I don't think you'd accomplish it. If anything, you'd get burned here.

Also, for ****'s sake learn what is an EDIT button. Because, you double and tripple posting looks like it was made by a ****ing bot.


Its not for you to decide.
GTFO.

For you to call anyone a zealot and dumb with an axe to grind is deliciously ironic.

I am also not a SJW as I explained above.

And you're wrong - I dislike you much more than Andrew. He at least has brains and charisma. You don't even have that.

I could use the multi-quote if I wanted - I didn't feel like it.

As for me being burned here - don't make me laugh. This has become nothing more than a right-wing echo chamber. I have shown people away from this site these threads and they find the likes of you laughable.

Also, whay 'rhetoric' is this I have allegedly been employing? I actually agree with some of you on some of the things you say. But I got sick of listening to Andrew and his cutting quotes and one-line sarcastic replies.

bring conflict around (which was mostly absent for the last year)'

That's because toxic trolls like you drove away any dissenting viewpoints.

You spend your entire life moaning about wokeism on a NInja Turtles forum - yet you have the audacity to talk down to me.

[The Inventive Donatello]

Y'all really letting this "newbie" (we all know it's you leo, keep crying about it) who came out of nowhere rile you all up. Anyway, it's clear mods just aren't active here anymore, and so this place is just going to rot away without anyone to do anything about trolls. Probably time to abandon ship. I'll be posting in toy threads and any threads with positive, productive discussions about the turtles themselves. These other threads are just disasters.

I am not him, stop mentioning his name. I am also not a newbie.

Also, I tried to see other perspectives, and I still do as I allude to above. But these lot simply dominate the forums with their political beliefs. Lots of people have mentioned it before me

Are you thick? You're calling me a troll when the likes of them have been destroying the forums for years?

[The Inventive Donatello]

I just looked in a Trump thread and it's a constant wave of dickheads defending the cu nt.

Also, Andrew and you are the type who claim to 'not like Trump' yet you curiously defend him at every opportunity. You are clearly claiming not to like him to give your posts more gravitas. That way you can defend him and not be accused of bias. But your game is obvious.

[Sumac]

I am not him, stop mentioning his name. I am also not a newbie.

Also, I tried to see other perspectives, and I still do as I allude to above. But these lot simply dominate the forums with their political beliefs. Lots of people have mentioned it before me

Are you thick? You're calling me a troll when the likes of them have been destroying the forums for years?
Hey Leo, get a ****ing life!

Or were you fired from your "super mega wrestling job"? No wonder with this attitude.

Still salty that I didn't like Snyder and his Superman? Pathetic.

Snyder had conclusively proved that he is a **** director with his new movie and that he can't tell a story, even given unlimited resources.

[KROW]

Snyder had conclusively proved that he is a **** director with his new movie and that he can't tell a story, even given unlimited resources.

Hey, this is about Disney. Stay on topic.

[IMJ]

Hey, this is about Disney. Stay on topic.

:lol::lol::lol::lol: Awesome...

[Leo656]

Some of you need a license to be this stupid.

Barkworm can easily tell you who it is as well as confirm I only have one f*cking account.

You morons have been living in Conspiracy Land for so long you think the sky is f*cking pink. This is why I think you're all better off dead. You're goddamn brain-damaged and taking up space.

For the LAST F*CKING TIME, I do not, nor ever have, nor ever would have a goddamn alt account.

[Sumac]

For the LAST F*CKING TIME, I do not, nor ever have, nor ever would have a goddamn alt account.
First, I apologize that I confused one bozo with another.
You are all the same, after all. :lol:

You morons have been living in Conspiracy Land for so long you think the sky is f*cking pink. This is why I think you're all better off dead. You're goddamn brain-damaged and taking up space.
Second, only after you, mate.
You are as worthy as any other bag of walking worm food around.

[Aaronardo]

Hey everyone! What'd I miss? :teek:

[Vegita-San]

they lost $200 million or more on a deal gone bad in india :)

oh, and KK announced ANOTHER Star Wars Trilogy that will not happen :)

[Andrew NDB]

oh, and KK announced ANOTHER Star Wars Trilogy that will not happen :)

Wait, she did? What trilogy?

[Vegita-San]

I think this makes 4 trilogies she's announced that will never happen. loosing count :)

https://twitter.com/BrewingSailor/status/1745530396962406839

[Andrew NDB]

There was the Game of Thrones' guys' trilogy that was officially DOA. There's Rian Johnson's trilogy that they keep threatening but probably won't happen. I'm not aware of any other? The Rey movie is just a solo things, if it happens.

[Sumac]

She announced more trilogies, than Terminator!
Surely must be some kind of a record.

[IMJ]

Hey everyone! What'd I miss? :teek:

Nothing of consequence - basically just that "Disney is in deep $#!(" and some people are happy and others are in denial and "cope".

[ZariusTwo]

If you think this is a backlog, wait 'till I share the list of fan projects announced by Black Glove Studio over the last two years.

[Cowabung-Gal]

One guy on YouTube said a very good point about the decline of Hasbro:

“I think it’s the Eternals and the Black Panther Wakanda Forever [merchandise] that have quintupled the amount of damage done to society than the Rose Tico doll. Like, the Rose Tico doll is bad, but the amount of Wakanda Forever stuff that was at Ollie’s stacked to the ceiling and at Target at the same time, that’s when it’s really bad. Because the way the merchandise retail works, you have your main stores, like your Targets and Walmarts, Toys R Us in the past, FYE, places that sell that. When it gets to the discount stuff and it’s at the main store at the same time, you really have a stinker on your hands.

And everybody wants to place blame: ‘kids don’t buy toys, this, this, and that.’ We know. There are statistics out there, I’m friends with people that own their own toy company. The adults are the ones that are buying this stuff, the collectors. There’s a reason why Hasbro has their HasLabs that cost $500, but those aren’t for kids. A kid doesn’t care about Giant-Man. A kid doesn’t care about Galactus. A kid doesn’t really want to be a Ghostbuster; maybe some kids do and that’s great, but overall a kid isn’t going to ask their mom and dad to buy them a $400 Proton Pack.

Hasbro needs to understand and the mainstream media needs to understand that while you want to make merchandise for families and kids, it’s stupid to force stuff on the group of people that aren’t gonna buy it. Much like with the Star Wars merchandise or Star Wars in general, you try to make something that’s not for that audience, and you ruin it for everyone else. And so what happens is you get price increases, you get shortage, supply of chain issues, and the number one problem is you tick off retailers. And so we can talk about about mainstream wanting to ignore, you know, the news doesn’t want to acknowledge, but when Walmart and Target, two of the biggest people on the planet in terms of businesses, don’t want to buy your stuff, that’s the real problem. It’s not about what the press or what people on the Internet say. It’s that Walmart and Target are shrinking their store sections dedicated to the Hasbro stuff.

Other toys are still big. You want to talk about merchandise, Mattel’s WWE line to Mattel as a whole, they had a record year. They’re talking Barbie sales are through the roof because of the movie. The WWE stuff sells constantly. They always got new stuff out. Hasbro and their Marvel stuff is a little creaky, and Star Wars, it’s blink-and-you-miss-it. They got rid of all the new characters, it’s just Luke Skywalker again. But Luke Skywalker doesn’t sell to little kids because they spent nine years taking a dump on the dude. So it’s all their own doing and it’s glorious.”

[neatoman]

The company may or may not get split up into different companies:

https://deadline.com/2024/02/disney-activist-investor-blackwells-proxy-battle-directors-board-1235816079/

https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20240206128/disney-activist-blackwells-proposes-splitting-up-company-in-proxy-fight

[ZariusTwo]

The Disney Movie Club will close in May, citing declining sales in physical media

https://cordcuttersnews.com/disney-movie-club-is-shutting-down-amid-declining-dvd-blu-ray-sales/

[Mayhem]

The Disney Movie Club will close in May, citing declining sales in physical media

https://cordcuttersnews.com/disney-movie-club-is-shutting-down-amid-declining-dvd-blu-ray-sales/
Isn’t this where the exclusive posters and other bits were also sold too?

[ZariusTwo]

Isn’t this where the exclusive posters and other bits were also sold too?

Yeah, all of that were perks of the subscription.

In a follow-up to the story, it appears all physical distribution of Disney will be handled by Sony going forward

https://deadline.com/2024/02/disney-sony-deal-dvd-blu-ray-home-entertainment-1235832034/

[Andrew NDB]

"It’s the latest sign of the decline of the physical disc trade"

Didn't we just read a ton of stories about everywhere being sold out of Oppenheimer 4K blu-rays and people getting pissed? "Latest sign"? Yeah, they'd like that.

[IMJ]

Here is the real decline that nobody wants to talk about - the DVD industry was propped up for decades by collectors buying movies that they were even only remoted interested in. Those kinds of movies that you saw and said "oh that one was solid, I'll pick it up to watch it again".

But here is what happened - the internet made it so that you no longer spent the money on the "halfway there flick that was decent" because you could download it. And now people want to buy the movies they love, but only the movies that make the "I love it" cut.

That thinking and availability cuts a swath out of what most consumers would buy.

[IMJ]

are you actually trying to imply physical media is a thing in 2024

People are buying vinyl records, record store day is still a thing, CDs are making a comeback and clearly from all of the conversation there is still people who want physical movies. So your point? Destroyed.

and it's only the powers that be are trying to take it away ?

The free market has stabilized the output by demand, and the mechanism of action for that is likely close to what I described two posts above. And so with that rebalancing in mind, then yes - the powers at be are trying to take it away. They want to control the content with streaming and they want to pull licenses for redeployment at a later date to make more money.

So I wouldn't have gone as deep as you were trying to trap people in a "conspiracy argument", but I'd say the explanations I just gave are acceptable to most rational people.

Why would you take a side against that instead of just discussing the situation for what it is?

[Andrew NDB]

TPTB didn't really actively go after physical media until around 2017. That's when you started to see things like, you buy a blu-ray but the ONLY way to watch the "unrated" version is to put in a code and watch it online... that you got by buying the blu-ray. Thus de-incentivizing you from even popping the blu-ray in.

[Mayhem]

But here is what happened - the internet made it so that you no longer spent the money on the "halfway there flick that was decent" because you could download it. And now people want to buy the movies they love, but only the movies that make the "I love it" cut.
I know we don’t agree on swathes of things, but that’s been my thinking on the subject matter for quite a while.

[ZariusTwo]

Iger has quietly ordered the cancelation of several MCU movies

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/bob-iger-disney-morgan-stanley-conference-1235843133/

[Andrew NDB]

Yeesh. Disney VP (inadvertently) blows the lid on Disney refusing to hire people based on the color of their skin. Sounds pretty illegal to me.

https://insidethemagic.net/2024/06/michael-giordano-takes-leave-of-absence-from-disney-rl1/

[Bahamut810]

Yeesh. Disney VP (inadvertently) blows the lid on Disney refusing to hire people based on the color of their skin. Sounds pretty illegal to me.

https://insidethemagic.net/2024/06/michael-giordano-takes-leave-of-absence-from-disney-rl1/

I hope there is a class action of every white man not hired since he has been in office against Disney.