Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (a Pike show)

[Andrew NDB]

Yes. Infuriating.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2020/tv/news/star-trek-series-anson-mount-ethan-peck-rebecca-romijn-cbs-all-access-1234607259/amp/

[neatoman]

So basically TOS season 0? Season -1? Season -X?

TOS season 4 starts to seem more and more likey, doesn't it?

[Andrew NDB]

So basically TOS season 0? Season -1? Season -X?

TOS season 4 starts to seem more and more likey, doesn't it?

This will bear no resemblance to TOS or anything remotely of quality.

[joe-eyeball]

Sadly this franchise is clearly dead and needs to go on a long hiatus. It’s unfortunate but it’s much needed.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm somewhere between indifferent and mildly pissed off.

Sigh.

With as much of a letdown as Picard was, I still wish they'd stick to moving the ball FVCKING FORWARD.

Prequels. Gawd. :trolleye:

[Jester]

Of all the things in the CBS All Acess Trek I actually like, Anson Mount as Pike is it. I might give this a chance, but as stated, my hopes aren't high given Picard.

[Andrew NDB]

STD season 1 and 2 and STP, it's the same writers. Anson Mount is great as Pike... but do you know who is great as Jean Luc Picard? Patrick Stewart. Yet STP is horrific.

A big vote of absolute no confidence from me.

[Jester]

True, to a point. Anson Mount was good as Pike as written in Star Trek Discovery. Sadly as great as Patrick Stewart is he couldn't Elevate Picard in Star Trek Picard.

on side note I just saw an article that said that the new Pike series will be more optimistic and episodic, in other words, more like regular Star Trek.

[Andrew NDB]

Complete with mandatory explosions, people screaming at one another, and tech they shouldn't have yet, like the 100s of starfighters and R2D2 units the Enterprise had in the last STD finale. And nonsense like "time crystals."

When fans will complain, they will say the usual "well what did you think this was supposed to look like?? A 1960s show? LOL!"

Two things. 1) Nobody has a gun at their head forcing them to make more prequels set in the TOS era. 2) Enterprise and DS9 made it a point to honor that era in their dipping into it the two times they did... so it CAN be done, they can't say it can't.

[Andrew NDB]

Sadly, it has entered production. Also they've announced the cast:

https://deadline.com/2021/03/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-paramount-series-cast-production-begins-1234713092/

Not surprisingly, no sign of a white male... which must mean no Dr. Boyce, the only character other than Number One we got to meet from the crew in "The Cage."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Sadly, it has entered production. Also they've announced the cast:

https://deadline.com/2021/03/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-paramount-series-cast-production-begins-1234713092/

Not surprisingly, no sign of a white male... which must mean no Dr. Boyce, the only character other than Number One we got to meet from the crew in "The Cage."

Huh. I mean, I'll be fine without Doctor Boyce. I get where you're coming from on that, though. But I doubt we never see him.

Also, I'm betting we see a recast Captain Kirk (or Commander Kirk, or whatever) in Season 2. Probably not Season 1, though... they'll try to do their own thing like Discovery did the first season.

Then... RATINGS BOOST WITH ORIGINAL SERIES RECAST, ZOMG

[Andrew NDB]

Huh. I mean, I'll be fine without Doctor Boyce. I get where you're coming from on that, though. But I doubt we never see him.

Assuming this will take place after Pike's appearances in STD season 2, this is long after "The Cage" so... Dr. Boyce would have had to have been on the ship, then leave, then come back? Seems unlikely. And c'mon... there wasn't like a ton of characters they needed to dust off from "The Cage"... there was 3, including Pike himself. Boyce was one of them.

That blond woman in the cast kind of looks like a female version of the actor that played him. Suspicious...

Also, I'm betting we see a recast Captain Kirk (or Commander Kirk, or whatever) in Season 2. Probably not Season 1, though... they'll try to do their own thing like Discovery did the first season.

Then... RATINGS BOOST WITH ORIGINAL SERIES RECAST, ZOMG

For sure. Lieutenant Kirk will show up toting around his boyfriend or something. Such bravery!

[Galactus]

We know very little about this but from what little we do know it looks the most 'traditional' Trek that we've had in a long time. If nothing else that Enterprise bridge looked exactly what a modern take the original Enterprise interiors should look like.

The only thing I dislike about it is that if we're going to have another series set in the TOS era I'd much prefer it to be set after Kirk's 5 year mission. I want to see the Gorn, the Tholians, the Guardian of Forever which we can't see in this series unless the start pulling a Star Trek: Enterprise and keep encountering alien races they shouldn't just don't have the crew catch their names.

[Andrew NDB]

We know very little about this but from what little we do know it looks the most 'traditional' Trek that we've had in a long time. If nothing else that Enterprise bridge looked exactly what a modern take the original Enterprise interiors should look like.

We already saw what a modern take on the original Enterprise interiors should look like on season 4 of "Enterprise."

https://firewatersite.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/2009-08-12_mirror_darkly.jpg?w=1000

STD's take is apocryphal. And apparently only done for legal reasons wherein Kurtzman and company can get residuals on likeness rights. Not legal as in Kurtzman is being forced to, but apparently legal in the sense that if he makes things 25% different, now down the line he gets his $0.02 if they're reused (which, as showrunner of everything Trek, he gets to do).

The only thing I dislike about it is that if we're going to have another series set in the TOS era I'd much prefer it to be set after Kirk's 5 year mission.

The only thing I dislike about it is that it's the third show from the exact same people that outright hate Trek, hate Trek fans, and otherwise don't understand Trek. There is absolutely no reason in the world to suspect they've suddenly learned from their mistakes, or that they've suddenly done an about face and now they understand Trek. They've completed four seasons of "Trek" and by all accounts they actually have been doubling down on all of the things they've been doing wrong, not getting one bit better. Guaranteed it's going to be more angry identity politics, explosions, screaming, and phasering people to death... oh, but now they're visiting a new planet every episode, so it's all better.

Oh, and that's yet another prequel in what is now a long and seemingly unending series of prequels. I don't care what Pike was up to between "The Cage" and TOS. I'd say go beyond even STP, but they might as well explore the period between VOY and STP better, since STP told us exactly Zero about what happened in between anywhere in the galaxy. Like, for all we know, the Dominion took over the Klingon Empire and Cardassia retook DS9. We have no idea. STP was 10 hours entirely wasted on saying goodbye to an android we'd already said goodbye to in the last movie almost 20 years ago and Picard letting go of a white privilege we never saw him once exude on TNG.

[Galactus]

We already saw what a modern take on the original Enterprise interiors should look like on season 4 of "Enterprise."

You know what I mean. Recreating the 60s sets is fine for a cute anniversary episode but if you're going to set a series on a 23rd century Constitution Class ship in 2021 then you're going have to straddle the line between something that looks retro while looking modern. The Abrams-verse movies were okay but a bit too sleek and modern. The Enterprise bridge we saw in Discovery I think looks just right. I hope it's what we see in Strange New Worlds.

STD's take is apocryphal. And apparently only done for legal reasons wherein Kurtzman and company can get residuals on likeness rights.

Indeed but even if that wasn't the case no one would expect them to use the wobbly sixties sets. This isn't without precedent in the franchise. For years the line from everyone involved in making the show was that the Enterprise we saw in The Motion Picture is supposed to be what the TV version looked like. You just have to imagine it that way.

The only thing I dislike about it is that it's the third show from the exact same people that outright hate Trek, hate Trek fans, and otherwise don't understand Trek. There is absolutely no reason in the world to suspect they've suddenly learned from their mistakes, or that they've suddenly done an about face and now they understand Trek. They've completed four seasons of "Trek" and by all accounts they actually have been doubling down on all of the things they've been doing wrong.

Well it wouldn't be the first time Star Trek has been written by people who hate it. Brannon Braga was certainly no fan of the franchise when he signed on to write for it. Gene Roddenberry didn't want The Next Generation to be TOS-like so hired writers which were not fans of the franchise. Some writers like Ron Moore felt they had to play down that they were Trek fans.

I wouldn't go as far as to say the current writers hate Trek. They have a different interpretation of it than most fans that grew up in the 80-90s era of Trek. I also wonder just how much different their vision of Trek is when you factor in they were told to do something different. Who knows what their work would be like if they specifically aimed for something more traditional.

Oh, and that's yet another prequel in what is now a long and seemingly unending series of prequels. I don't care what Pike was up to between "The Cage" and TOS. I'd say go beyond even STP, but they might as well explore the period between VOY and STP better, since STP told us exactly Zero about what happened in between anywhere in the galaxy. Like, for all we know, the Dominion took over the Klingon Empire and Cardassia retook DS9. We have no idea. STP was 10 hours entirely wasted on saying goodbye to an android we'd already said goodbye to in the last movie almost 20 years ago and Picard letting go of a white privilege we never saw him once exude on TNG.

All stuff I agree with but while it's not what I wanted I'll give it a shot as something which so far has been closest to what I'd want ie: a ship going off to explore and the main character is the Captain.

[Andrew NDB]

You know what I mean. Recreating the 60s sets is fine for a cute anniversary episode but if you're going to set a series on a 23rd century Constitution Class ship in 2021 then you're going have to straddle the line between something that looks retro while looking modern. The Abrams-verse movies were okay but a bit too sleek and modern. The Enterprise bridge we saw in Discovery I think looks just right. I hope it's what we see in Strange New Worlds.

Indeed but even if that wasn't the case no one would expect them to use the wobbly sixties sets.

Nobody held a gun at their head and made them do yet another prequel, particularly another one set in the Pike/Kirk era. As such, we know very well what the Enterprise looks like from that era. We saw it in the 60s in TOS, we saw it in the 90s on TNG and DS9, and we saw it on ENT in the 2000s. It's not the same ship as on STD/SNW.

I wouldn't go as far as to say the current writers hate Trek. They have a different interpretation of it than most fans that grew up in the 80-90s era of Trek. I also wonder just how much different their vision of Trek is

What exactly do you figure they love about Trek?

[Prowler]

How many different Star Trek shows are there already?

I've been meaning to rewatch the original and The Next Generation on Netflix lately since I have find memories of watching their reruns on cable TV back in 2003-2005 with my family. But is there other Star Trek stuff that I've missed out and should check sometime?

[Andrew NDB]

How many different Star Trek shows are there already?

I've been meaning to rewatch the original and The Next Generation on Netflix lately since I have find memories of watching their reruns on cable TV back in 2003-2005 with my family. But is there other Star Trek stuff that I've missed out and should check sometime?

TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT. TAS, if you're so inclined, too, though it's a little bit of and chore to get through for me. So 6 shows in all plus the movies. I personally enjoyed rewatching ENT first and then restarting TOS, during my most recent rewatchings.

[Musashi]

...For years the line from everyone involved in making the show was that the Enterprise we saw in The Motion Picture is supposed to be what the TV version looked like. You just have to imagine it that way...

Really? I seem to remember The Motion Picture makes it pretty clear that it's an extensively new ship, probably only the same vessel from TOS in the sense that it's the same structural framework underneath. It has been in dock for two and a half years, and there's lots of lines like (probably paraphrasing) "This is an almost totally new Enterprise! You don't know her a tenth as well as I do!" Two and a half years, and still being worked on throughout the movie.

[CyberCubed]

How many different Star Trek shows are there already?

I've been meaning to rewatch the original and The Next Generation on Netflix lately since I have find memories of watching their reruns on cable TV back in 2003-2005 with my family. But is there other Star Trek stuff that I've missed out and should check sometime?

TOS, TNG and DS9 are the only three shows that are considered "required viewing" by most fans.

Voyager is a bit hit or miss and Enterprise is only really good in its last two seasons. So I'd recommend looking up a "best episode of each season" list for those two shows rather than watching it all.

[Prowler]

I'm guessing TOS stands for "the original series"?

Thanks for the help, Andrew and Cubed.

[Galactus]

Nobody held a gun at their head and made them do yet another prequel, particularly another one set in the Pike/Kirk era. As such, we know very well what the Enterprise looks like from that era. We saw it in the 60s in TOS, we saw it in the 90s on TNG and DS9, and we saw it on ENT in the 2000s. It's not the same ship as on STD/SNW.

True that no one forced them to make another prequel set in the TOS era. I imagine there has to be a reason for Paramount to think that's what the audience wants.

I get the feeling that for Paramount they feel much like Wayne Campbell did "it's a lot like "Star Trek: The Next Generation". In many ways it's superior but will never be as recognized as the original." which was true at the time of that movie but I feel these days there is definitely more recognition for Next Generation and the 24th century shows in general. Still I imagine that sentiment has stuck with Paramount. I used to post in Trekbbs back in the early 2000s and there was a growing sentiment among fans that Trek had deviated from what made it popular in the first place and it needed to return Kirk, Spock and co. The idea of a reboot was fairly popular with a certain strain of fans at the time. I think all this contributed to the actual movie reboot we got and we the first series in it's wake was set during the same time period.

As for the look of the Enterprise be honest unless a show set in the 23rd century was a campy romp I don't think making it with literal recreations of the sets and effects from the sixties show would ever fly. It may be a prequel but audiences expect it to look like a show made in 2021.

What exactly do you figure they love about Trek?

I don't really follow the production side of things but I've read a few interviews with the shows creators that demonstrate they know a lot of Trek knowledge and speak with a genuine fondness for it. I've always gotten the sense that they struggled with a few things. Mainly I don't think they've adjusted to the kind of show that I imagine Paramount and Netflix are pushing for it to be, the kind of Game of Thrones in space were every episode is a shocking reveal to get you to watch the next episode. I'd be curious to see what they would do with a more traditional Trek show.

Really? I seem to remember The Motion Picture makes it pretty clear that it's an extensively new ship, probably only the same vessel from TOS in the sense that it's the same structural framework underneath. It has been in dock for two and a half years, and there's lots of lines like (probably paraphrasing) "This is an almost totally new Enterprise! You don't know her a tenth as well as I do!" Two and a half years, and still being worked on throughout the movie.

You're probably right. It's been a long time since I've seen The Motion Picture but it rings a bell. Still if it was consistently said at cons that discrepancies in how the shows and the movies presented technology and stuff like the Klingon's ridges were that when you went back to watch the show you had to imagine it looked like the movie. It wasn't until Trials and Tribbleations that established that Klingons really did go a period without ridges.

[Musashi]

...Still if it was consistently said at cons that discrepancies in how the shows and the movies presented technology and stuff like the Klingon's ridges were that when you went back to watch the show you had to imagine it looked like the movie. It wasn't until Trials and Tribbleations that established that Klingons really did go a period without ridges.

Yeah, they do seem to have intended that the Klingons in episodes like Errand of Mercy and Day of the Dove have always looked like the movie onwards ridge-forehead versions, we just didn't see them that way because of budget. Worf's cagey response in the DS9 episode was a nice meta joke, befitting that era, and Enterprise's providing an actual explanation for it was just as characteristic of that show and era of the franchise. And STD's - Please...!!! - decision to make the Klingons... what they made them... was also a thing.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.darkhorizons.com/star-trek-sets-discovery-prodigy-dates/

"Celia Rose Gooding will star as cadet Nyota Uhura, Jess Bush portrays Nurse Christine Chapel, Babs Olusanmokun is Dr. M’Benga, Christina Chong is La’an Noonien-Singh, Melissa Navia is Lt. Erica Ortegas, and Bruce Horak will portray Hemmer"

So basically this is confirmed to be an alternate timeline now. Uhura came aboard in 2265. We know this because that's what Star Trek III told us. And Chapel didn't join this early either.

And they're really having a Noonien-Singh aboard? lol... of course. And no Dr. Boyce, from "The Cage"! Or Lt. Tyler! Or hell, even Yeoman Colt -- they couldn't even be bothered to make one of the chicks one of the actual people we know was on the bridge crew. So FIVE chicks, 1 black guy, and an actual blind guy (Bruce Horak). A blind guy! They are literally taking a page from STD where they stuck it with a dude in a wheelchair just because representation points. This is to Pike and Spock's two white guys.

To break it down...

Rebecca Romijin = white chick
Jess Bush = white chick
Uhura = black chick
La'an = Asian chick
Ortegas = Hispanic butch lesbian chick
Hemmer = blind dude
M'Benga = black dude

Totally predictable.

[Galactus]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Yeoman Colt was a new posting to the Enterprise shortly before the mission to Talos IV. Even if I'm remembering that detail wrong The Cage makes it clear she was only just assigned by Pike so it makes sense she's not part of the bridge crew. Dr. Boyce though is genuinely puzzling but we'll see if there is a reason for that.

It was a stretch but I was very fond of the Star Trek Early Voyages comic and would have loved for them to include Nano.

[Andrew NDB]

Dr. Boyce though is genuinely puzzling but we'll see if there is a reason for that.

Oh, there is. Too many white dudes, therefore too "problematic."

[Galactus]

The interactions between Pike and Boyce in The Cage certainly give off the vibe that they are old friends that have served together for a long time but I can't recall anything definite to show that. I suppose like Yeoman Colt he could have been a relatively new posting to the Enteprise. Depending on how long the series goes for we could see him pop up.

Also I don't really care about Star Trek pushing a more diverse agenda in its casting. That's what Star Trek has always done and it has never been remotely subtle about it.

[Andrew NDB]

Is it time for Spock to be gay?

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/strange-new-worlds-could-change-spock-in-one-huge-historic-way

[Leo656]

Is it time for Spock to be gay?

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/strange-new-worlds-could-change-spock-in-one-huge-historic-way

He wasn't before? :trazz:

"Logic dictates that a hole, as it were, is just a hole." :lol::lol::lol:

[CyberCubed]

Leonard Nimoy is rolling in his grave.

[Leo656]

I doubt it. I never heard him expressing any strong displeasure with all of those officially-licensed and produced Trek novels that openly shipped Spock and Kirk. I don't think he'd care at all, honestly.

[CyberCubed]

They already made Sulu gay, so don’t gayify Spock as well. Spock being in a relationship has never been a major part of his character and the new movies pairing him with Uhura came out of nowhere. And even then you know they did it to show a white man with a black woman in 2009.

[Andrew NDB]

They already made Sulu gay, so don’t gayify Spock as well.

Well, remember how that went? Simon Pegg and TPTB on "Beyond" retroactively made Sulu gay in that movie, then George Takei was offended because he'd always played the character as straight. THEN Simon Pegg said something about, "Umm... well what I meant was, Sulu is gay in this alternate timeline only! Prime Sulu is still straight."

Which is really interesting! Being gay or not is a choice in Star Trek, I guess. Like deep down, all of us are just one time traveling Narada/Nero visit away from becoming raging homosexuals. Apparently.

[Coola Yagami]

Well, remember how that went? Simon Pegg and TPTB on "Beyond" retroactively made Sulu gay in that movie, then George Takei was offended because he'd always played the character as straight. THEN Simon Pegg said something about, "Umm... well what I meant was, Sulu is gay in this alternate timeline only! Prime Sulu is still straight."

Which is really interesting! Being gay or not is a choice in Star Trek, I guess. Like deep down, all of us are just one time traveling Narada/Nero visit away from becoming raging homosexuals. Apparently.

Yeah.. idk.... I always was more on the camp that you're born gay, not that it's a choice. This whole 'alternate timeline' thing makes it sounds like in THAT timeline, Sulu DECIDED to become gay. Makes their entire argument fall apart, all for the price of virtue signaling.

[Galactus]

Can't say I've ever wanted a gay Spock but I love that if one existed it would annoy all the right people.

Yeah.. idk.... I always was more on the camp that you're born gay, not that it's a choice. This whole 'alternate timeline' thing makes it sounds like in THAT timeline, Sulu DECIDED to become gay. Makes their entire argument fall apart, all for the price of virtue signaling.

Talking seriously for a moment I would say that the different genetics we've seen in the Star Trek 'multiverse' which causes characters to look different (to accommodate them being played by different actors) could apply to their sexuality.

Also as the linked article mentions official Star Trek material - even stuff written by Gene Roddenberry has hinted that there's romantic feelings between Kirk and Spock. It's not like Spock has ever said he's only interested in women. Who is to say Vulcan culture even contextualises sexuality in the same way as we do in 21st century.

[Andrew NDB]

Can't say I've ever wanted a gay Spock but I love that if one existed it would annoy all the right people.

Yeah, that's pretty much every SJW's stance on every kind of "switch" like that be it in movies, comics, or TV. "I love most that it annoys the fans! Salty tears!" and so on. At least you're not being dishonest about it.

[CyberCubed]

There's just no reason to make gay's out of non-gay's. I'm offended as a straight person.

I have no problem with the gay homosexuals but there is a time and place for everything. A new queer character would be fine but you don't need gay up one of the most iconic Star Trek characters of all time. Even if it's not the "real" Spock it's still the same thing in concept.

[IMJ]

There's just no reason to make gay's out of non-gay's. I'm offended as a straight person

You aren't allowed to be offended. Because your life wasn't hard and had no challenges and had entitlement and you know... life is hard when you muff dive or take it in the @$$.

[Leo656]

life is hard when you muff dive

Well, for one thing... pubes. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Well, for one thing... pubes. :lol:

Not necessarily.

[Leo656]

Not necessarily.

You know what Ric Flair's rule about chicks was... "No hair, no Flair!"
https://c.tenor.com/t3E4CxePtIcAAAAC/ogvhs-woo.gif
Who am I to argue with the Nature Boy? :lol:

[Sumac]

Is it time for Spock to be gay?

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/strange-new-worlds-could-change-spock-in-one-huge-historic-way
**** this clown world.

[Galactus]

Yeah, that's pretty much every SJW's stance on every kind of "switch" like that be it in movies, comics, or TV. "I love most that it annoys the fans! Salty tears!" and so on. At least you're not being dishonest about it.

It was a joke. Let's not pretend that large swathes of the political right haven't in complete seriousnous defined their real life politics on doing things that they know is wrong purely because it will 'trigger the libs'.

I also don't understand why you define it as annoying the fans. I think I've conversed enough on Star Trek on here to prove I'm a real fan. This one blogger on the site linked (and bare in mind this whole Spock should be gay thing is simply being discussed by one person rather than something being planned by anyone involved in the show so hardly worth mentioning) is also a fan. This sense of ownership that some more Conservative fans of a property have that they dismiss fans who are more progressive in their politics and would like to see it reflected in their favourite IPs is stupid particularly when the property in question is already supposed to be progressive like...oh I don't know STAR TREK.

[Andrew NDB]

AL1td9sIGvs

Here's the trailer. I love how they keep cutting to shots of wind turbines. Wind power isn't even sufficient to power much of anything right now, but it will be enough for modern cities in the 23rd century, with even more technology?

And wtf is with all this flowery dialogue? It's all over STD and both seasons of STP. Characters talking all flowery about, "You sought out the stars," "You stayed in the stars for a lifetime," "the stars," "the stars," "the stars." It's the same goddamn writers.

[Sumac]

Have anyone mentioned "cerulean orbs" or "hairs silky like waves of the ocean"? :lol:

[DarkFell]

Part of me is curious as to what letter of the alphabet the next ship will be. One of the old Trek ships was destroyed, and the USS Enterprise 1701 - D was destroyed in Generations. They *almost* lost the USS Enterprise 1701- E in First Contact.

Otherwise, the other part of me is happy that a local channel shows episodes from old Trek to Enterprise.

[TigerClaw]

Kirk is gonna be in this series, and they just casted a new young actor to play him, His name is Paul Wesley.
https://twitter.com/paramountplus/status/1503853549775695879

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN7BbvRUYAED7Sg?format=jpg&name=small

[NinjaPug]

Why? Just why? He met Pike one time. This makes no sense. Then again neither does the Khan descendant nonsense.

[TigerClaw]

Why? Just why? He met Pike one time. This makes no sense. Then again neither does the Khan descendant nonsense.
I believe during this show's timeline, Kirk isn't a Captain yet, and I believe is an ensign.

[Andrew NDB]

Not surprising. These hacks won't ever stop circling around Kirk, Spock and original Enterprise. Doubtless next will come the Kirk show, showing the Farragut years.

And didn't Kirk say in The Menagerie that he only met Pike once at the Academy?

[TigerClaw]

Not surprising. These hacks won't ever stop circling around Kirk, Spock and original Enterprise. Doubtless next will come the Kirk show, showing the Farragut years.

And didn't Kirk say in The Menagerie that he only met Pike once at the Academy?
I read that Season 1 is all Captain Pike, And the second season is when Kirk will become captain.

[NinjaPug]

Not surprising. These hacks won't ever stop circling around Kirk, Spock and original Enterprise. Doubtless next will come the Kirk show, showing the Farragut years.

And didn't Kirk say in The Menagerie that he only met Pike once at the Academy?

He did.

Forget the hackiness of putting Kirk in this show at all but I don’t understand the timing of this announcement. Season 1 doesn’t premiere for another 2 months. Why are we hearing about this potentially huge change to Season 2 now?I hope Kirk bones the Khan descendant in this just to drive home how stupid these writers are.

[Andrew NDB]

I read that Season 1 is all Captain Pike, And the second season is when Kirk will become captain.

So... a 7 year time gap between seasons? Unlikely. More likely this is them fishing for another garbage prequel spinoff.

[CyberCubed]

First episode was good. It's classic Trek. They show us World War 3 on-screen for the first time (at least as far as I remember). Pike is good, Spock's actor is good. The ship looks great, the decks/bridge, etc.

My only complaint is Uhura while a nice actress, just doesn't look anything like the original. She has a shaved head (I don't know why they didn't at least give her a regular hairstyle like in the reboot movies), and well, her skin is too dark so it takes me out of it. Again the actress who played her in '09 was a better match. Uhura is too black now. So she doesn't feel the same.

[superstaff]

My only complaint is Uhura while a nice actress, just doesn't look anything like the original. She has a shaved head (I don't know why they didn't at least give her a regular hairstyle like in the reboot movies), and well, her skin is too dark so it takes me out of it. Again the actress who played her in '09 was a better match. Uhura is too black now. So she doesn't feel the same.

Yeah, agreed. Maybe this will get me roasted, but I actually really liked the casting for the Abrams Trek movies. I liked Saldana as Uhura. I just wish the writing/direction was better, and more 'Trek'. I didn't even mind the Spock/Uhura romance............... Like, the concept of it. I just didn't think they wrote it very well. Just like most blockbusters now, most of it happens off-screen in the sequels including the random break-up(s).

[Andrew NDB]

So apparently the transporter can now replicate clothes onto you when go through it pre-Kirk? And the January 6th "insurrection" is brought up as an inciting factor for a 2nd civil war in Star Trek lore?

Yeah... I can't. I'm going to hate this. I know I'm going to hate this. I don't even have the will or energy to pirate this, if I was so inclined.

[superstaff]

I wouldn't bother with the show if I were you. None of this should be surprising given that this is NuTrek... The writing and production staff have made it clear that they care more about pushing ideology than making a compelling, entertaining show.

[IMJ]

And the January 6th "insurrection" is brought up as an inciting factor for a 2nd civil war in Star Trek lore?

The sense of self-importance and insertion-of-self on behalf of these writers and creators is.... insanity. As if they lived through the emotional turmoil of 9-11 all over again because a clown in a bison costume walked into the capital building. And now citing it as some paradigm shifting moment in national history for use in creative culture.

For all intents and purposes that "event" will be forgotten in a single generation.

[Sumac]

So apparently the transporter can now replicate clothes onto you when go through it pre-Kirk? And the January 6th "insurrection" is brought up as an inciting factor for a 2nd civil war in Star Trek lore?
wut
Like what? I know those SJW *******s love to project, but this goes beyond "projecting" and into outright lunacy territory...

[Coola Yagami]

The more I think about the Jan 6 thing, the less it makes sense to me. Like, none of them had guns, the police flat out let them in, and all they really did was loiter and left when they got tired of it.

Like I kept watching the TV waiting for demands, or bombs, or threats of violence, or something like 'WE'RE RUNNING THINGS NOW' and like.... none of that ever happened.

Then of course AOC posting that she feared for her life when it was revealed the bitch was never even there.

[Andrew NDB]

They're not wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/star-trek-starship-enterprise-democrat-woke-david-marcus

[CyberCubed]

Nurse Chapel can get it.

https://tv-fanatic-res.cloudinary.com/iu/s--bRC3RDjt--/f_auto,q_auto/v1652073625/nurse-chapels-assessment-star-trek-strange-new-worlds

She's the biggest glow-up from the old 60's version which gave me "granny" vibes.

This one is right up my alley.

[Andrew NDB]

Who has absolutely nothing in common with the real Chapel from TOS. Her personality couldn't be farther removed. But like the fans of this show say like a sullen mantra, "Well, at least it's not as bad as Discovery."

I will say that, while her character is sh**, it's hard not to enjoy watching the Khan descendant lady. She's got a nice energy and spark.

[CyberCubed]

Well this show is set what, I think 10 years before TOS? I think Chapel is in her 20's here so she can grow into the older one seen in TOS.

[superstaff]

Well this show is set what, I think 10 years before TOS? I think Chapel is in her 20's here so she can grow into the older one seen in TOS.

I haven't watched this, but apparently her personality is so far removed that it'd be...awkward to think this SNW version will grow into the TOS version.

[CyberCubed]

Admittedly I never cared for the original Chapel much since she was a relatively minor character. This one is hot and spunky though.

[IMJ]

Who has absolutely nothing in common with the real Chapel from TOS. Her personality couldn't be farther removed.

I couldn't agree more, but there's something about her portrayal that every time she talks I feel like she's all sultry and slick and $#!( and it's a total turn-on.

[CyberCubed]

Did you guys see episode 5? Chapel literally wants to sleep with a guy at the bar with no "relationship" getting in the way. This actress and the way she does her expressions is great.

[Andrew NDB]

Here come the trans characters/actors:

https://trekmovie.com/2022/06/07/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-to-introduce-nonbinary-character-played-by-jesse-james-keitel/?fbclid=IwAR1RIwIrQ7la9tk5UqYeF16rNc3VeSabH0j1_nM9 Z_wb1b4R0R8mLy4tJYM

[CyberCubed]

Well that didn't take long. But I still enjoy the show so far, so we'll see what happens.

[ZariusTwo]

Here come the trans characters/actors:

https://trekmovie.com/2022/06/07/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-to-introduce-nonbinary-character-played-by-jesse-james-keitel/?fbclid=IwAR1RIwIrQ7la9tk5UqYeF16rNc3VeSabH0j1_nM9 Z_wb1b4R0R8mLy4tJYM

And that's not a problem.

[Andrew NDB]

And that's not a problem.

It's really not. It's just "interesting."

[Sumac]

And that's not a problem.
Good joke.

[Andrew NDB]

I post without comment.

https://i.ibb.co/M7bJYbB/FB-IMG-1654756335595.jpg

[Sumac]

Emotionally speaking I have a strong emotion to shove biology book into this idiot's ass.

[IMJ]

Associating one emotional state with woman and another with men is inherently sexist and problematic. So basically human beings have emotions and to associate those with gender is sexist. The left are the fools of Earth.

[Jester]

Just finished the last episode.
They introduced Sybok. And Spock told Chapel...which means if this is the "prime" universe she knew before Kirk and McCoy.

[Andrew NDB]

Just finished the last episode.
They introduced Sybok. And Spock told Chapel...which means if this is the "prime" universe she knew before Kirk and McCoy.

Huh. Well that's something I never thought they'd do for a moment.

[Andrew NDB]

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[Coola Yagami]

And that's not a problem.

I mean.... to be fair, I'm pretty sure transpeople wouldn't exist in the Trek era. You telling me they wouldn't have created technology that literally just zaps you into a woman (or reverse) without needing surgeries and monthly hormone treatments?

That's nonsense and reeks of trying to cram 'real world issues' in a fantasy setting where it wouldn't be an issue.

[CyberCubed]

The only ep I didn't care for in the season was the Shakespeare episode, but the last few minutes with his daughter was ok. I also didn't care for the transgender space pirate episode, but some parts of it was ok.

So out of a 10 episode season, I enjoyed 8 episodes fully. Even if they also kinda retconed Gorns into the movie Aliens down to the chestburst stuff.

[NinjaPug]

Coolest announcement from SDCC imo.

July 23, 2022 - Paramount+ today announced "Star Trek" worlds will collide with a major crossover event planned for STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS featuring stars from Paramount+'s original animated comedy series, STAR TREK: LOWER DECKS, appearing in STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS' upcoming second season. STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS star Anson Mount revealed the news when STAR TREK: LOWER DECKS stars Tawny Newsome and Jack Quaid crashed his portion of the "Star Trek" universe panel today at San Diego Comic-Con.

In this special crossover episode, featuring both live-action and animation, fans can expect to see Ensign Beckett Mariner, voiced by Tawny Newsome, and Ensign Brad Boimler, voiced by Jack Quaid, from STAR TREK: LOWER DECKS, joining the U.S.S. Enterprise in season two of STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS. The episode will be directed by STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION actor and director Jonathan Frakes.

[ZariusTwo]

Blech, no thanks. Lower Decks is abominable.

[Andrew NDB]

Dreadful news.

[member_removed]

Blech, no thanks. Lower Decks is abominable.

I actually really dig LD. Take it for what it is.

I'm not sure who it's target audience is, it's pissed off a lot of old fans and has too many deep cut references for new fans to get.

I marked out for the season 3 trailer. Martok and DS9! Massive pop from me. I think I spotted Vash as well.

Not sure a animated/live action crossover works.

[Andrew NDB]

Now they're excited to share that a "genderqueer" actor is joining the show:

https://trekcentral.net/exclusive-new-faces-join-star-trek-strange-new-worlds/?amp=1

Do they even need to bother with writing scripts anymore?

[Sumac]

Poor Star Trek - it was so shat upon by those gender-neutered 'tards...I wonder, if it will be able to recover some of its former honor?

[CyberCubed]

Remember when Star Trek was about having a black woman, a Chinese man, and a Russian on the bridge? What happened.

[Andrew NDB]

S2 set to "go crazy."

https://www.darkhorizons.com/strange-new-worlds-s2-set-to-go-crazy/

Yes, that's just what the show needed. To "go crazy."

[IMJ]

I've watched the first 4 or so episodes of Season 1. It's probably the closest thing to modern Trek that I could embrace, but it does have that neo-sensibility all over it.

For example, Pike isn't as much a Captain as he is that "ideal white guy" who, instead of giving militaristic orders is this sort of soft encourager who stands proudly in the background while his overly, extremely, nonsensically diverse team perfectly shows off all of their skills, executed in perfect "socialist fashion".

And in some ways that's okay, but unfortunately in modern days it's a caricature of sorts. The modern white guy by Hollywood standards - either a natural villain in every way or is supposed to get out of everyone's way and stand proudly in the background with his arms crossed while admiring anyone who is not a white guy do there jobs perfectly.

I'd like this show if I didn't now have years of Star Trek where you can't escape the exaggerated social justice and personal melodrama. But at the same time this one has the core of Star Trek on it more than the other shows do - like the spacedock negotiation scene in one of the early episodes, or some of the moral imperative moments are decent.

I should probably watch the rest of season 1 to see how it unfolds.

[Vegita-San]

Now they're excited to share that a "genderqueer" actor is joining the show:

https://trekcentral.net/exclusive-new-faces-join-star-trek-strange-new-worlds/?amp=1

Do they even need to bother with writing scripts anymore?

what the holy **** is that?

they have too keep inventing stuff to make progressivness last. they don't realize they reached the ceiling long ago.

[Andrew NDB]

I've watched the first 4 or so episodes of Season 1. It's probably the closest thing to modern Trek that I could embrace, but it does have that neo-sensibility all over it.

Around episode 4? Yeah, that's about when it shifted into STD land.

[Roseangelo]

I recently finished watching S1 and liked it well enough.

[IMJ]

I recently finished watching S1 and liked it well enough.

I feel like almost everyone who loves Star Trek has the same story, yet it's still a personal story to everyone. You know... like you meet the TNG cast and tell them "OMG my family watched you guys every week for years. We loved your show - it was a household staple".

It's hard for lifelong fans to sort of have the epiphany that their personal story about required family viewing with Star Trek's was also most people's story.

And I think that's also part of why nu-Trek is so galvanizing. You want to stay loyal to the "progressive" brand that you love. But then you find that it's just a caricature. But I'll try to get back to finishing that season here sometime soon - which is saying a lot because I can't bring myself to even pirate Discovery to sit through that $#!(show any more than I have. Hell - the Orville is, ironically, less of a caricature of Star Trek than most new Trek is. Wrap our head's around that.....

[Andrew NDB]

Episode 1 of season 2 is out and it's horrible. I mean awful. The story is juvenile and Carol Kane is nails on chalkboard. Doing the fairy routine from Scrooged doesn't work when you're 90 years-old -- it's not cute anymore. Oh, and Spock cries about 3 times in the episode.

[Andrew NDB]

Episode 3 is literally the Khan descendant time-traveling to 2023 Canada with an alternate timeline Kirk to talk to Khan as a small child, then falling in love with alternate timeline Kirk.

So, so stupid.

[IMJ]

Episode 3 is literally the Khan descendant time-traveling to 2023 Canada with an alternate timeline Kirk to talk to Khan as a small child, then falling in love with alternate timeline Kirk.

So, so stupid.

See - continuity dabs used to be fun. Because there were these sort of obvious uses for it. But now they do nonsense like this and it's completely riduclous.

[ZariusTwo]

Musical episode is out now.

Some of the songs are catchy, but I couldn't help noticing the episode forgot it's own rules whenever a scene tensed up and they let music play but the crew don't start signing...when the rules established in the plot are that the crew are aware the music exists, they hear it, and they burst into song.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't imagine I'll watch the latest episode. I don't think it could possibly do anything but upset me.

[CyberCubed]

It was a great ep, so were the last several.

[Andrew NDB]

The one with M'Benga and Chapel flashing back to the Klingon War was OK. It felt like it was written by adults, if not sci-fi writers (though what's with NuTrek's obsession with making everyone a murderer?). The rest, appallingly bad.

[ZariusTwo]

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[ZariusTwo]

So we end the season on a cliff-hanger

[Andrew NDB]

I f**king knew it. They couldn't help themselves. Now Scotty, too.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-casts-key-role/

Did they even do anything at all with Sybok this season? Or was that tease of him last season not a tease and just... the whole thing?

[member_removed]

With the Writers and actors strike, will this show even be coming back?

Personally, I hope they do drop the Sybok stuff, I didn't think it was interesting in 1989.

[CyberCubed]

Why wouldn't it come back? I expect it to have a 5 season run at the minimum, even if the strike pushes back the third season a bit.

[Andrew NDB]

With the Writers and actors strike, will this show even be coming back?

God, I hope not. But it almost undoubtedly will.

Personally, I hope they do drop the Sybok stuff, I didn't think it was interesting in 1989.

It would be an opportunity to make lemonade from lemons, retroactively. Not that I'd have any faith in these writers being able to do that.

[ZariusTwo]

Renewed for a fourth season

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-renewed-lower-decks-ending-1235969332/

[CyberCubed]

Seems 5 seasons is the limit these days, with Discovery and Lower Decks ending at 5 seasons. This will likely end at 5 seasons.

Seems most of modern Trek is coming to an end:

- Picard ended last year
- Discovery is ending this year
- Prodigy is already canceled, the second season hasn't aired on netflix yet
- Lower Decks is ending this year
- The Section 31 movie should debut this year, and it's just a one-and-done thing

All they'll have is Strange New Worlds, and if that Starfleet Academy series ever gets off the ground. It does seem like Paramounts financial troubles is why they're whittling down the Trek shows though.

[Andrew NDB]

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This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. F*** this show.

[Andrew NDB]

Sheesh... just look at Anson Mount's latest tweets:

https://x.com/ansonmount?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp% 7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[IMJ]

Sheesh... just look at Anson Mount's latest tweets:

https://x.com/ansonmount?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp% 7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Tweet back to him to tell him that his tweets have likely had him put on "the list" as a 1st for "encampment". Really feed that $#!( and let these maniacs go so far with their insanity that even they themselves have to look in a mirror as they bug up so badly and say "God I AM crazy".

[Andrew NDB]

They really hate their fans.

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[ZariusTwo]

Cancelled, but will have a super short fifth season (six episodes)

https://deadline.com/2025/06/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-renewed-final-season-canceled-1236431507/

[Roseangelo]

After going gung-ho on Trek for so long, now they're cancelling all of it.

Unfortunately, none of it was good (Strange New Worlds being the least bad), so Paramount will just assume no one is interested in Trek instead of figuring out why no one watched this nonsense.

[Andrew NDB]

Cancelled

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZHRxb29ycTl2ZDA5eGdmbzgxNnkydHh 6b2FmcXFiMWIzNXdwcXlvbiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/IyFBbg97qPN3q/giphy.gif

Oh, thank goodness. Can you imagine if they kept it going and soldiered into the Kirk years?

so Paramount will just assume no one is interested in Trek instead of figuring out why no one watched this nonsense.

That's what Paramount will probably think. But the million dollar question is what SKYDANCE will think, once that dust settles on that deal. When Trump is done suing them about CBS and the Harris interview, lol...

[CyberCubed]

It ending at 5 seasons was expected, but only 6 eps for Season 5 at least let's them lead up to an ending, most likely a timeskip showing Pike's fate from TOS and if they go after that. As far as I know they never said when Pike died in the original canon, did they? So they have freedom to do some stuff.

So out of Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Strange New Worlds how would you rank them? You can also rank individual seasons since Picard Season 3 was obviously better than the first 2 seasons.

[member_removed]

After going gung-ho on Trek for so long, now they're cancelling all of it.

Unfortunately, none of it was good (Strange New Worlds being the least bad), so Paramount will just assume no one is interested in Trek instead of figuring out why no one watched this nonsense.

I think they just don’t know the target audience. The JJ verse, Disco and SNW al heavily TOS inspired, but the hard core TOS fans are dying out. When Disco premiered TOS was 51 years old, so the OG fans were in there 70’s. My mum is in her 70’s she can’t stream, refuses to learn, still relies on basic cable.
I don’t think a bunch a 70 year olds want new Trek, especially when they **** around with the Klingons and give Spock more secret siblings.

I was 15 when I started watching TNG/DS9/VOY in the 90’s I’m 46 now. That’s the sweet spot, that’s where the nostalgia is and disposable income is.
As evidenced by the positive response to Picard Season 3 (TNG season 8, in my head cannon).
It ending at 5 seasons was expected, but only 6 eps for Season 5 at least let's them lead up to an ending, most likely a timeskip showing Pike's fate from TOS and if they go after that. As far as I know they never said when Pike died in the original canon, did they? So they have freedom to do some stuff.

So out of Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Strange New Worlds how would you rank them? You can also rank individual seasons since Picard Season 3 was obviously better than the first 2 seasons.
Easy, I think
1. Picard Season 3/TNG 8
2. Prodigy
3. Lower Decks
4. Strange New Worlds
5. Picard Seasons 1-2
6. Disco (The Only Trek I haven’t finished).

I’ve not watched Section 31, but it looks awful from the trailer.
Strange New Words is ok, still does that stupid shit…
Hey, kids remember Khan? Well this chick is his great great grand Niece or something. Just Leave Khan alone FFS.
Making Nurse Chapel this highly capable character. I’ve got no issue whatsoever, with that. Just make a new Nurse character. But it just looks messy when watching Spock throw soup at her TOS.
I never assumed Vulcans had recreational pre martial/non Pon-Farr sex. So to see Spock and T’Pring acting like teenagers in an 80,s slasher movie pisses me off.
Turns the Gorn into Xenomorph knock off, just make a new Alien race.
Are they still going ahead with that Academy series in the 32nd Century?

[IMJ]

I sort of look at Picard Season 3 as it's own animal. Like the last Trek film we never got but needed badly. My only real gripes about it are that the Enterprise-E didn't get any action and that it took so many decades for someone to conclude the story that the only resolution we had for Data was the aging thing. Which was fine... handled about as brilliantly as they could given the circumstances.

I want to enjoy SNW but I'm tired, tired, tired of "Star Trek in the past" in any form and I couldn't make it even into season 2 yet.

In a few short years it will have been 20 years of nu-Trek. Hopefully "what's old is new again" and whatever is next becomes a hybrid of the styles and storytelling we saw in TNG combined maybe with Enterprise.

I still say that an anthology Trek where each season is in a different era on a different ship would be great. Like American Horror story but with Trek.

[Andrew NDB]

I sort of look at Picard Season 3 as it's own animal. Like the last Trek film we never got but needed badly.

And it organically opened the door for more. That they've done absolutely nothing with in like 2 years now.

My only real gripes about it are that the Enterprise-E didn't get any action

It had to be the D there at the end. Still, I would've at least liked to have seen Sovereign-class ships in Picard.

[IMJ]

It had to be the D there at the end. Still, I would've at least liked to have seen Sovereign-class ships in Picard.

But you know what? Did it? For what purpose? Purely that we tend to say the "original is the best" or some other cliche? I'm just saying that there really is very little to say that the "D" belonged in the show over the E beyond some cliche "feels" argument. Not even a "feels" argument, but a cliche one.

Actually, the "E" belonged in that show in EVERY way. Consider this:

-We saw the D utterly destroyed, so it's a pretty big degree of nonsense in every way that it would be rebuilt for a museum.
-We never saw the "E" destroyed. And so one ship is destroyed on camera but returns in a disbelievable fashion for a show, while the more probable ship is "destroyed" off-screen in dialog.
-This was the final act in the true trilogy of the Borg. The Best of Both World's, First Contact and this season. The Enterprise-E was literally designed to fight the Borg, and this was a show about the Borg - again the 3rd act in the real story trilogy.
-Making even more sense would be that the E was in the ship yard and the saucer section of the "D" was also there. But they take the "E" and use the saucer section as part of the ruminating scene with Voyager and Kirk's enterprise.

And so by every logical test it should have been the "E". I'm just saying that Picard S3 was the Trek we waited for decades to wrap up the movies. But it came after years of awful content. And so it's very had to $#!( on the "feels" for Picard S3. But, just like coming out of "Iron Man 3" which was the "best Marvel movie YET!", time will yield some hardcore observations and the biggest of which was using the E rather than the D, given what I said above. Just sayin'.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm a bit torn on it, myself. Personally, I DO like the Enterprise-E more than the D (though there's also the small matter that 2 of the 3 movies it appears in all SUCKED while the D was in 178 episodes that were mostly all good) but if it'd been the E in that starship museum and not the D, no, the moment wouldn't have nearly been as impactful. It just would have been, "*shrug*... oh, it's the E. Well, of course it is, what else could it be?" Is it a cheap ploy for nostalgia? Maybe. But I found it a way to "do right" what the sequel trilogy of SW did so wrong. And the scene of them walking on the bridge of the Enterprise-E touching consoles and walls in silence would have been nothing. I don't think most fans can even close their eyes and readily remember what the bridge of the E even looked like, but the D? Right away.

Though if anything I'd sort of flip your hypothetical example. The Enterprise-E is ALSO there at the museum and we see it, and for a moment they consider using it but then realize that it isn't "analog enough" and is tied into the Starfleet network (what they're trying to avoid). So they have to go with the rebuilt D, that is also there. Now, since Picard season 3 pretty much is chronologically EXACTLY where the future we saw in "All Good Things" is, it might have been fun to not only have the Enterprise-D be rebuilt but also upgraded, like we saw the Enterprise-D in "All Good Things."

[Andrew NDB]

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A fu**ing puppet episode. I've said it before, they HATE their fans.

[ZariusTwo]

Between the musical and this, they want to be a Whedon show so badly

[Andrew NDB]

Between the musical and this, they want to be a Whedon show so badly

Without a doubt. All of STD and SNW's writers are poor man's Whedon wannabes who have only ever written for CW shows. No one is allowed to behave like a Starfleet officer.

[member_removed]

Az-cm8gmKSM

A fu**ing puppet episode. I've said it before, they HATE their fans.

Call me cynical but this looks nothing more than a pathetic excuse to sell a new toy line.

[Andrew NDB]

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They're not even trying to hide their contempt for the fans now.

[Andrew NDB]

Hahahaha... now they're tearing down the Strange New Worlds sets, too. You know what this means, obviously. SNW has technically been cancelled for over a year now when it was announced it was over with a much-shortened fifth season but they tore down the Academy sets before getting to the SNW ones, and that was only cancelled a couple weeks ago. It means they were holding out to see if Kurtzman was going to be able to convince Paramount to do their stupid Kirk show with the same sets but now we know that is kaput.

Goodbye, Kurtzman! We just need the formal announcement now.