Jennika VS Venus de Milo, who would win?

[Shark_Blade]

Lets give it up for the turtle ladies, who will be the superior one?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I'm voting for Venus, but purely out of preference as I have no connection with IDW tmnt but have enjoyed bits of the Next Mutation.

As for actual in-lore feats though, I have no idea.

[Andrew NDB]

You could have just made a poll. In any case, Venus. She was raised from near "birth" in martial arts by a master, Chung-I... and also has straight up magic (offense) powers.

[Shark_Blade]

Yeah I made a poll why it turned out like that. :tlol: Let’s see if I can fix it.

[Andrew NDB]

Venus. She was raised from near "birth" in martial arts by a master, Chung-I... and also has straight up magic (offense) powers.

[Galactus]

Venus. She was raised from near "birth" in martial arts by a master, Chung-I... and also has straight up magic (offense) powers.

She was? I thought the series specifically stated that Venus wasn't taught martial arts. She was conveniently as good as her brothe...um fellow mutant turtles whenever she was required to fight. The writers seemed to think Shinobi was another term for magic or mystic as opposed to another term for ninja.

[neatoman]

Hm... Urm... Eh... Uh...
... I vote... I love Pizza. The concept of a fifth turtle isn't worth any of the serious answers.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Maybe Jennika, because Foot assassin...

But I dislike her, so my vote still goes to Venus.

[oldmanwinters]

Seems like it was a running joke throughout the Next Mutation that Venus is a screw-up. So even with all her mystic power advantage, she'd likely lose the fight.

[CyberCubed]

Venus should have an advantage with magic powers, but Next Mutation made her powers all slapstick and ridiculous instead of powerful.

[Jester]

Seems like it was a running joke throughout the Next Mutation that Venus is a screw-up. So even with all her mystic power advantage, she'd likely lose the fight.
Except for the time she single-handedly beat the Turtles most hated enemy...

[oldmanwinters]

Except for the time she single-handedly beat the Turtles most hated enemy...

That was her debut episode, right? That's still par for the course. She got a chance to make Shredder into a jobber and then fell back into dead-weight soon after.

[Galactus]

Plus that magic whammy she did on the Shredder was something like confronting him with his own evil. (To be honest that would have been an interesting concept had it been done in better show that perhaps built up that Saki was weighed down by his own evil deeds but in Next Mutation it was really random). It's unlikely she could pull that on Jennika who at best may have some lingering feelings of guilt over things she did in the Foot. Basically all Venus has is throwing her balls at her.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

See, the difference here is nobody even liked the TURTLES in The Next Mutation. Or Shredder. Or anything about the show. So harshly judging Venus is pretty useless, given that she never had a fair chance. Whereas IDW is a much better produced series, with better developed characters... and Jennika is still lousy.

Venus didn't live up to her potential, and could have been better, if never actually good. Whereas Jennika should have been much better, but seems hamfisted and Mary Sue. The writers tell us she's great, instead of actually showing us.

And while I'm bitching, Jennika was great as a Foot assassin, trying to be loyal to her old master and then learning to be loyal to Splinter. She had a brief friendship with Leonardo.

And then we never see her, except having a relationship with Casey. Then getting mutated because plot twist. Then upstaging the four Turtles because diversity. And Mutant Town, because it's probably really fun to draw.

If IDW wanted me to like Jennika, maybe they should have shown us her spending time with the Turtles and Splinter, and not wasted all her human development on a love triangle with Casey and April that nobody--NOBODY--gave a fvck about.

TLDR: Venus would have been better than Jennika, if Venus had actually been in a GOOD TMNT series.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

PS: I always wanted a Venus action figure to go with my four main Turtles as a kid, but I could never find one. That was my biggest childhood regret.

Not Scratch! Not Samurai Chote or whatever the Playmates name was! Not Panda Khan! I wanted VENUS. :tlol:

[Galactus]

See, the difference here is nobody even liked the TURTLES in The Next Mutation. Or Shredder. Or anything about the show. So harshly judging Venus is pretty useless, given that she never had a fair chance. Whereas IDW is a much better produced series, with better developed characters... and Jennika is still lousy.

Venus didn't live up to her potential, and could have been better, if never actually good. Whereas Jennika should have been much better, but seems hamfisted and Mary Sue. The writers tell us she's great, instead of actually showing us.

And while I'm bitching, Jennika was great as a Foot assassin, trying to be loyal to her old master and then learning to be loyal to Splinter. She had a brief friendship with Leonardo.

And then we never see her, except having a relationship with Casey. Then getting mutated because plot twist. Then upstaging the four Turtles because diversity. And Mutant Town, because it's probably really fun to draw.

If IDW wanted me to like Jennika, maybe they should have shown us her spending time with the Turtles and Splinter, and not wasted all her human development on a love triangle with Casey and April that nobody--NOBODY--gave a fvck about.

TLDR: Venus would have been better than Jennika, if Venus had actually been in a GOOD TMNT series.

Respectfully disagree.

I actually don't think there is anything wrong with how the Next Mutation turtles are characterised. Also to damn the series with faint praise it's concepts were not really that bad it was just tonally dumb and suffered from horrific production values.

Venus being the fish out of water not getting modern American culture got old fast and I found her much more of a Mary Sue. She wasn't a trained fighter yet when action went down she was able to match and more often than not out do the other turtles. Also her backstory is pretty groan worthy. She was separated from the other turtles but separated and found by coincidentally another wise old sage who even coincidentally has psychic tete a tetes with Splinter.

I can't say Jennika has hugely impressed me yet but conceptually she's much better imo. There is no shoe horning her in as the turtles long lost anything. No big coincidences to explain she is also a ninja she's simply ex-Foot. Plenty of mileage can be gained with her adjusting to life of a mutant as was as the possibility if her becoming human again. I have faith that IDW could still do interesting stuff with her but if not I think another version could use her better if they chose to.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Respectfully disagree.

I actually don't think there is anything wrong with how the Next Mutation turtles are characterised. Also to damn the series with faint praise it's concepts were not really that bad it was just tonally dumb and suffered from horrific production values.

Venus being the fish out of water not getting modern American culture got old fast and I found her much more of a Mary Sue. She wasn't a trained fighter yet when action went down she was able to match and more often than not out do the other turtles. Also her backstory is pretty groan worthy. She was separated from the other turtles but separated and found by coincidentally another wise old sage who even coincidentally has psychic tete a tetes with Splinter.

I can't say Jennika has hugely impressed me yet but conceptually she's much better imo. There is no shoe horning her in as the turtles long lost anything. No big coincidences to explain she is also a ninja she's simply ex-Foot. Plenty of mileage can be gained with her adjusting to life of a mutant as was as the possibility if her becoming human again. I have faith that IDW could still do interesting stuff with her but if not I think another version could use her better if they chose to.

I'd agree with you that a lot of the concepts from Next Mutation were good and it's a shame we've never revisited them... the gorilla mobster, the Dragon Lord, Venus, the vampires, to name the ones I can remember.

I'd just rather have a "hey, a fifth Turtle!" rather than "hey, a human female got mutated into a Turtle!" Reeks of fangirl fanfic to me.

[Galactus]

Honestly I'd rather no fifth turtle at all.

It's not like the worst idea however there is just so many ways it can go wrong which is probably why I think Jennika works better as if for whatever reason she doesn't take you simply de-mutate her and have her go off with her human family. Story done.

Venus could go off to find herself or whatever but she's still the fifth long lost turtle that will always be out there looming over the that version to come back with such witticisms such as "they are going to ambush you tonight in the toilet".

[Dejablue]

I vote Jennika because the choreography in TNM was so bad, I could beat Venus.

[Dejablue]

I'd just rather have a "hey, a fifth Turtle!" rather than "hey, a human female got mutated into a Turtle!" Reeks of fangirl fanfic to me.

I can look at this 3 ways.

1. A mutant turtle who just happens to exist with no prior relation to the turtles..

2. Long Lost Sibling

3. A human who is changed into a mutant via circumstance

1 Is probably the best to keep people from being offended. I think Slash usually fits into this category.

But 3 is clearly better than 2. One of the pillars of godawful fanfic is "long lost x" and therefore I think Jennika is better than Venus. Especially since Jennika has no romantic attachment to the tmnt. If NM had lasted long enough, Venus would have turned into a girlfriend to one of them.

[sdp]

Jennika is basically Venus from what I'm reading, diff origin but same basic role that Venus had. First episode of the show had her being pretty powerful, after that she was sort of a background character. I still think venus would win just based on her background vs random foot assassin.

I vote Jennika because the choreography in TNM was so bad, I could beat Venus.

Watch the In Space crossover, it used the Power Rangers stunt crew and the turtles have never done better martial arts, not even in the movies (granted that's not a high bar).

[Dejablue]

Jennika is basically Venus from what I'm reading, diff origin but same basic role that Venus had. First episode of the show had her being pretty powerful, after that she was sort of a background character. I still think venus would win just based on her background vs random foot assassin.



Watch the In Space crossover, it used the Power Rangers stunt crew and the turtles have never done better martial arts, not even in the movies (granted that's not a high bar).

Venus wasn't in the crossovveeerrrrr....was she? No she wasn't.

[sdp]

You are talking to the Ninja Turtles Next Mutation biggest Fan (https://miscrave.com/articles/nt-tnm/) Deja, not only did she meet and fight with the rangers, she also knew who the Big Bad Astornema of the Power Rangers were which makes no sense since the Power Rangers had just met her recently as an enemy, and she rode the space boards after the team up!
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In fact that crossover cements the fact that Venus would destroy Jennika, the Power Rangers enemies aren't just humans, they're space aliens with a ton of strength. The morphin grid grants the rangers beyond human power to be able to battle them and Venus held just fine against them, not to mention she was able to take on laser shots directly and have little effect on her. The Power Rangers strength level has actually been able to be measured thanks to having over 25 seasons worth and the fact that Venus crossed over with a ranger team and not only held her own but helped them out goes to show how strong Venus de Milo is, Jennika is nothing but a poser compared to her? Ninja assassin? I'd like to see a mere mortal like her go against Astronema. For those that do not know Astronema basically conquered the universe and killed Zordon of Eltar.

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Can jennika even compare? What's she gonna do hashtag her community on social media to "cancel" Venus to win?
not #readyforthenewnew

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#notsiblings
Not even her bust size can compare against Venus

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[The-Shredder]

I think it would be cool if a female Turtle came from a different planet like the Turtleoids and those wrestler turtles, or even an alternate dimension. That would make it more interesting.

Speaking of The Next Mutation, anyone know where we can watch the Fox Kids versions of the episodes? The ones on the Shout! Factory DVDs have a lot of edits, but the PAL versions seem to be the most similar to the originals.

[Dejablue]

Well saying Jennika would lose to Venus is moot because technically the Power Rangers would wipe their asses with the turtles even on the turtle's best day. Given the difference in strength and what the two teams normally deal with. The reason the turtles were at all comparable to the rangers in that crossover is because thats how crossovers work. You can't make one side look bad. So ignoring sh*tty corssovers where stats are augmented to make things more fair, I still think Jennika would win. Based on the actual canon of Next Mutation.

You act as if the IDW turtles wouldn't be given some sort of training or equipment to handle magic. Also stop using fanart as proof you complete sperg. Go to the corner to rub your dick on some hard rock solid reptile titties. Then tell me how good it feels on discord.

[Andrew NDB]

I think it would be cool if a female Turtle came from a different planet like the Turtleoids and those wrestler turtles, or even an alternate dimension. That would make it more interesting.

Why? Seems dumb.

[Dejablue]

If Triceratons are just dinosaurs from space, I don't see why turtleoids can't exist.

[ninja-zero]

Jenny wins!

[neatoman]

If Triceratons are just dinosaurs from space, I don't see why turtleoids can't exist.

At least make them look more... Alien, so the differeces are clear.
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[Andrew NDB]

It wouldn't even be close. Venus can hurl magical fireballs at Jennika from 50 feet away.

[Coola Yagami]

In a legit fight,in a serious setting, it could go either way.

If we were to take both as they were, as is, Jennika all the way, though she might be caught off guard at times by random cartoony sound effects coming out of nowhere and however Venus' Shinobi magic is supposed to work.

I would love to see Jennika like... superkick Venus in the face, and be confused as to where that 'KA-BOIIIING' sound came from.