Warner Brothers pushing all 2021 movies to HBO Max and Theaters Same day in 2021

[Autbot_Benz]

Huge news out of Warner Bros. today. Following the announcement that the highly anticipated Wonder Woman 1984 will be released on HBO Max on Christmas Day for a limited one-month engagement on the streaming service (in addition to a concurrent theatrical release where theaters are open), the studio announced today that all of its 2021 films will follow this same release model.

Yes indeed, movies like Dune, Matrix 4, and Godzilla vs. Kong will be released theatrically worldwide, but concurrent with the domestic theatrical release the movies will also be streaming exclusively on HBO Max for one month. After that one month period is over, the film will depart HBO Max and continue to be available in theaters worldwide, at which time it will follow all customary distribution windows applying to the title – which means after it leaves HBO Max, it will later still have a full Digital HD and Blu-ray/DVD release before eventually returning to the streamer.

The 2021 Warner Bros. films that are expected to be released next year – and that are expected to follow this “on HBO Max and in theaters at the same time” model – include:

The Little Things
Judas and the Black Messiah
Tom & Jerry
Godzilla vs. Kong
Mortal Kombat
Those Who Wish Me Dead
The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It
In the Heights
Space Jam: A New Legacy
The Suicide Squad
Reminiscence
Malignant
Dune
The Many Saints of Newark
King Richard
Cry Macho
Matrix 4
All films will be available in 4K Ultra HD and HDR on HBO Max.

This hybrid model was created as a strategic response to the impact of the ongoing global pandemic.

https://collider.com/dune-matrix-4-hbo-max-release-2021-warner-bros-movies/

[ZariusTwo]

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[Autbot_Benz]

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Cybercubed and SDP's anthem :lol:

[IMJ]

This isn't entirely a bad idea, but I can't help but think that these studios could also give the theaters ONE friggin' week with these flicks before airing them at home.
I mean... ONE WEEK to draw an audience exclusively would be a legit method rather than a dual launch. It's so obvious....

[Sumac]

Month's too long, me thinks.

[sdp]

It's an aggressive move that Disney is doing pretty much the same thing (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/business/media/disney-streaming-reorganization.html) since they don't want to support a dying model and get covid attendance dollars if instead they can push streaming and compete with Netflix which is a HUGE company, not sure some of you realize how much the company is worth. These aggressive pushes are being done because they're already late to the party and want to make sure they stay in the game in the long term.

[CyberCubed]

Man at this point you never have to leave your house ever again. Everything can be done from home now. Why step one foot outside when everything is now available at the click of a button?

Outside? What is this “outside?”

[IMJ]

Man at this point you never have to leave your house ever again. Everything can be done from home now. Why step one foot outside when everything is now available at the click of a button?

Outside? What is this “outside?”

It's where you go to get vitamin Dnowait. Wait. Yeah you can order that too. Nevermind.

[sdp]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/s-kdRdzxdZQ/maxresdefault.jpg

[CyberCubed]

I'm never going to leave my house again at this point. Finally the days of being a shut-in have paid off wonderfully. Time to never leave the four walls and only interact through digitally interfaces.

[Leo656]

I'd say that people would still need to leave the house to ever successfully have sex or even just attract a woman, but f*ck, look at the group of people I'm talking to. The closest they'd ever get to attracting a mate would be "roofie-ing the Door Dash lady" so of course they've got no interest in a social life.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'd say that people would still need to leave the house to ever successfully have sex or even just attract a woman, but f*ck, look at the group of people I'm talking to. The closest they'd ever get to attracting a mate would be "roofie-ing the Door Dash lady" so of course they've got no interest in a social life.

Wow. I mean, holy $hit. And wow again. :teek: :tlol: :teek: :tlol:

The secret to attracting the opposite sex (or same sex, if you're into that) is to find a significant other BEFORE joining the 'Drome forums. Reverse the order, and all hope is lost.

[IMJ]

find a significant other BEFORE joining the 'Drome forums.

This.
Or....

Meet a Wiccan and her let her introduce you to her friends.

[Leo656]

Wow. I mean, holy $hit. And wow again. :teek: :tlol: :teek: :tlol:

The secret to attracting the opposite sex (or same sex, if you're into that) is to find a significant other BEFORE joining the 'Drome forums. Reverse the order, and all hope is lost.


Indeed.

Every now and then my wife reads something over my shoulder, rolls her eyes and says something to the effect of, "You really need to quit with these (slur against the intellectually-challenged which is no longer socially acceptable)." Literally today, in fact.

Then I remind her that she's a grown-ass woman who willingly engages in conversation with people on fan pages for people like Marilyn Manson and therefore can't really say much about it. And that usually puts the issue to bed at least for a little while.

She's 100% right on principle, though. I just can't stand being told what to do. :lol:

[TigerClaw]

Here's a Trailer with the announcement.

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[oldmanwinters]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/s-kdRdzxdZQ/maxresdefault.jpg

Life always seems to catch up with art.

[IMJ]

I'm getting concerned about every DCEU actor aging out of their roles....

[CyberCubed]

The universe is getting rebooted anyway. It's more or less confirmed with Flashpoint. Synder's Justice League mini-series is just the send off to it, not that the actor are going to continue on. Gal Gadot may get a third film but that's it.

The fact that we already have a new Batman movie series coming out says enough in itself.

[ranger_scout]

I am fortunate enough to live in Texas where theaters are open, so I can go see these on the big screen if I want to. However, this really isn't much of a win-win situation. While it is true that theaters will be playing these movies, they will now have to compete with HBO Max to attract audiences into watching Warner Bros. films. Movie theater stocks took quite a plunge today following this news.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/theater-stocks-warner-bros-hbo-max-matrix-4-dune-1234845702/

[Shark_Blade]

As they should.

[Jester]

Bring back drive-ins

[Andrew NDB]

Terrible news for theaters. What a big knife in the back.

[NinjaPug]

AT&T completely ****ed up the rollout of HBO Max and to try and drive growth they rush into a decision that could damage domestic theaters permanently as well as piss off a bunch of actors and directors. It's crazy that Legendary, who co-financed Godzilla vs Kong, didn't know about this plan until it was announced today.

[CyberCubed]

Looking at the movie list, I completely forgot there's a new Mortal Kombat movie reboot coming. Are we expecting that to be good?

There doesn't seem to be much hype for it, and if it is coming next year it's odd there's no trailer yet.

[ranger_scout]

Variety answered 5 burning questions after today’s news.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/warner-bros-hbo-max-announcement-movie-business-1234845580/

[Cure]

I'm super excited for this news. Good thing they're gonna be in 4K HDR, too, because it's some horseshit that HBO Max didn't launch with that for $15 a month.

[ranger_scout]

Here's what the AT&T boss said about the future of movies.

AT&T Boss John Stankey Says Movie Theaters Will Always “Have A Role In Society”, But Streaming “Horse Left The Barn” (https://deadline.com/2020/12/att-john-stankey-warner-bros-hbo-max-streaming-windows-1234650649/)

WarnerMedia CEO Jason Kilar also did a lengthy Q&A.

WarnerMedia CEO Jason Kilar On How Groundbreaking HBO Max Theatrical Window Strategy Will Optimize Revenues (https://deadline.com/2020/12/hbo-max-warner-bros-movies-deal-jason-kilar-explains-move-1234649871/)

ETA: Here are a lot reactions to the news.

Hollywood, Theater Owners Sound Off on Warner Bros.’ Bold HBO Max Move: ‘They’re Playing With Fire’ (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/hbo-max-warner-bros-dune-matrix-4-theater-owners-1234846103/)

[sdp]

Disney was already going this route but now that AT&T is doing it they won't want to be seen as the weaker streaming service. We'll start getting higher budget movies at Netflix as well since they're going to feel the pressure. In a way studios won't care to make "big hit" blockbusters anymore that need to make millions to break even which has lead to tons of sequels/remakes over the years, we'll see new ideas being made into movies again. This will allow great movies to be greenlit with lower budgets or specific audiences. It's exciting, and to think that if it wasn't for COVID this might've taken a few more years to get there.

[ranger_scout]

Movie theaters have always been a part of my life. My best friends & I live miles away from each other's houses. Cinemas have always been more convenient places to meet. If they all shut down, then we will lose our main meeting places.

[Leo656]

Yeah, but half the people here only have "friends" that exist as text on a screen so that's of little consequence to them. The fact that some people aren't total losers makes them feel inadequate and they're excited about everyone being forced down to their level.

"Progress" and all of that nonsense. Anybody who has a life outside their bedroom knows it's lousy, but that's not the bulk of the people here.

[CyberCubed]

Do teens still take people to dates to movie theaters? I always assumed that was a thing that died off after the 90's or early 2000's, and it's just movies/tv shows that still show it as an outdated stereotype of past culture.

[Leo656]

:roll::roll::roll:

As someone who used to go to the movies a lot when that was still allowed, I can attest that Yes, teenagers go to the movies as dates, "group parties" and lots of other reasons. Comic book stores would also often rent theaters out to hold parties for their customers when new comic book movies would come out.

Once again, for the hundredth time, people with actual lives who don't live on the internet go to the movies a whole lot. People of all age groups love going to the movies for a dozen different reasons. I know this comes as a shock to some of you who wouldn't know what the sun looks like if Google wasn't full of pictures of it. But it's true. Get over it. Not everyone is a sickly, pasty shut-in who hates people and fears social interaction. Some people are normal, and they like going out.

[IMJ]

Looking at the movie list, I completely forgot there's a new Mortal Kombat movie reboot coming. Are we expecting that to be good?

There doesn't seem to be much hype for it, and if it is coming next year it's odd there's no trailer yet.

I didn't know either - not until I saw that list. I will say though that there were some MK short films....sort of hybrid fan films but with a few D-List actors you'd know (like Michael Jai White). They were incredible.....

[superstaff]

Once again, for the hundredth time, people with actual lives who don't live on the internet go to the movies a whole lot. People of all age groups love going to the movies for a dozen different reasons. I know this comes as a shock to some of you who wouldn't know what the sun looks like if Google wasn't full of pictures of it. But it's true. Get over it. Not everyone is a sickly, pasty shut-in who hates people and fears social interaction. Some people are normal, and they like going out.


I'm basically a sickly, pasty shut-in who hates people and fears social interaction.

However, I do like going out to places, and I do prefer movie theaters to watching movies on a crappy laptop or phone screen.

[sdp]

Attendance to movie theaters has been down since the year 2001 yoy. They make up for it by having higher prices.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTlyI8BerfQf7RppdZSr-BWlcVsOfUgfVbEyw&usqp=CAU

Data doesn't lie, at&t and disney wouldn't be doing it if they had s business model that still worked.

[CyberCubed]

It's kinda funny it declined so much even in the early 2000's, since online streaming wasn't much a thing yet. And it really wasn't until the early/mid 2010's where online streaming even became readily available for most people rather than a few.

Also what's with the huge dip in 2005? Star Wars Episode 3 came out that year as well as Batman Begins, you'd think that would have been a huge year.

[sdp]

It's not a coincidence that DVDs became huge at that same time.

[superstaff]

Also what's with the huge dip in 2005? Star Wars Episode 3 came out that year as well as Batman Begins, you'd think that would have been a huge year.

Can you name other big movies from that year, off the top of your head?

[Autbot_Benz]

:roll::roll::roll:

As someone who used to go to the movies a lot when that was still allowed, I can attest that Yes, teenagers go to the movies as dates, "group parties" and lots of other reasons. Comic book stores would also often rent theaters out to hold parties for their customers when new comic book movies would come out.

Once again, for the hundredth time, people with actual lives who don't live on the internet go to the movies a whole lot. People of all age groups love going to the movies for a dozen different reasons. I know this comes as a shock to some of you who wouldn't know what the sun looks like if Google wasn't full of pictures of it. But it's true. Get over it. Not everyone is a sickly, pasty shut-in who hates people and fears social interaction. Some people are normal, and they like going out.

Everytime Cubed posts I just know he has never interacted with a woman in person. He probably repels them or something :lol:

[CyberCubed]

Can you name other big movies from that year, off the top of your head?

Not off the top of my head but here's rotten's top movies of 2005:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt/?year=2005

Also 2005 is the year youtube came out, but I don't think anyone even knew the potential youtube had back then.

I swear, if Knew now I would have become a youtuber back in 2005 and I'd be a millionaire by now. I was born in the wrong generation, instead of posting on forums I could have ranted on youtube everyday for 15 years and made millions.

[Cure]

Everytime Cubed posts I just know he has never interacted with a woman in person. He probably repels them or something :lol:

Aren't you a mod for a cam girl?

[Autbot_Benz]

Aren't you a mod for a cam girl?

I used to be 2 years ago was a friend of mine.

[CyberCubed]

I used to be 2 years ago was a friend of mine.

Have any links to hot videos of said girl?

[Jester]

Simmer down, ChrisChan...

[Coola Yagami]

Simmer down, ChrisChan...

Now hold on there. Cubed is just curious about her credentials. I can appreciate that and would also like said links for research purposes.

[Autbot_Benz]

Have any links to hot videos of said girl?

https://i.imgur.com/FomopKL.gif

[Jester]

Man...I can HEAR that gif. :tlol:

[Autbot_Benz]

Man...I can HEAR that gif.

its my favorite gif to use.

[IMJ]

Have any links to hot videos of said girl?

Bro you spend enough time at home alone that you should be telling us who all of the hottest women of the internet are.....
We look to you for wisdoms such as this.

[sdp]

Deloitte released this in where people prefer to watch movies
https://variety.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Deloitte-Location-Preference-for-Watching-New-Movie.png

I wouldn't be surprised if at disney's investors meeting they announce a counter attack. #readyforthenewnew

[Leo656]

I think #datelesswondersandfriendlesslosersoftheworldunite would be a more fitting hashtag.

Albeit a bit unwieldy.

[CyberCubed]

Honestly aside from getting to see a movie on a big screen, I'm really over theaters for the following reasons:

1. You have to drive to a theater and make sure you leave the house at least an hour before it starts or risk missing the beginning of it.

2. Have to deal with about 20 minutes of previews/trailers before the actual movie starts, so you're sitting there nearly an extra half hour on top of a 2+ hour movie

3. Screaming kids in theaters, they're always a few in every movie I've been in. Or people playing with their phones and turning on the lights when the movie is playing.

4. Overpriced food. Popcorn and soda is now the same cost as lunch or even more. Sure you can sneak in your own food, but its gotten ridiculous.

5. Noisy people who comment on every joke of the movie or every big scene chatting right next to you or the rows in front of you.

6. And last but not least, pretty expensive for a movie ticket these days.


And besides that movies in theaters are usually one and done (besides the few people who see a movie more than once in theaters), whereas 90% of the time you watch things at home ANYWAY, like your whole blu-ray collection or whatever you watch streaming...so it's no different than anything else you watch at home.


Sure I can imagine for young people who have "hot dates" want to to to the movie together, but other than that there's not much upside.

[Wildcat]

In all seriousness all those reasons are totally valid. Regardless of the virus watching at home is just a better choice in general.

I still like seeing stuff on a big screen but it has to be something I desperately want to see for it to outweigh those other factors.

I’ve been to the theater 3 times in the last 10 years. It’s really not that weird that people prefer the home experience. I mean it cost as much for tickets as it does to just buy the Blu-ray.

[Roseangelo]

If I went to a movie, I'd usually go to the early bird Sunday morning show, which was slightly cheaper. I never got food. It's kind of a nice thing to do for a lazy Sunday.

However, I have had SO MANY viewings ruined by parents who bring their too-young toddler to the movie and refuse to take their fussing child outside. Soooo... I can't say that I will be running back to theaters.

I do love a good Marvel/Star Wars type event viewing, though.

[Coola Yagami]

Wow you guys...

For me it all depends on the theater cause it's a whopping 2 theaters we get to choose from. If we go to the larger one, we just sneak food. If we go to the smaller one, they have a dinner and a movie deal and bottomless popcorn and free refills and such, so we do that. Or we just do Denny's afterwards.

As for the trailers, wow. How else are you supposed to get hyped up for the next movie outing? Also it allows extra minutes to find a seat and set your food down, etc, especially if you got a group of 4-5 people and want to find 5 empty seats in a row.

I mean I'm choosy with my movies, I go see maybe one every 2-3 months depending on whatever Marvel is cooking up next. I think the last few movies I got to see in theater before all this got shut down were pretty much Spider-Verse, It Part 2, Spider-Man Far from Home, Joker and Sonic. When we saw Sonic they played a trailer for Onward, and even though I didn't care that much for it, my friends did, and I was planning to go see it for them.

All of those were fun experiences and a good excuse to hang out. And one thing about having different groups of friends is sometimes you get to see the same movie twice. I think the last movie I saw twice was Joker cause I saw it with my buddies once, but then I got to see it again when my bro came to visit me. He missed it and managed to catch it upon the last week before my theater would pull it.


I'm by no means a super social outgoing person, but like I do have some friends, so whenever a big movie comes out, we make plans to see it together. Or if they want to hit the bar, they invite me too. We're on a Ninja Turtle forum, I get it. But just cause some of you don't leave the house even before 2020, it doesn't mean the rest of us gotta get screwed too. I miss the movies and I miss the experience.

The only complaint that's valid is the crying kids one. Or people talking a lot during the movie. Otherwise, just being out with the gang and geeking out makes it all worth it. I mean dude, something like End Game, for any fan that's been following the MCU leading up to this... like you just HAVE to make it a 'go out with your friends' event. Or family. Or someone. It's just a movie you don't watch alone.

Hell, my bro and I did a Discord call thing as we both watched Bill and Ted 3 at the same time. We both grew up on the originals, it felt wrong to watch part 3 alone.

[Wildcat]

When I saw Sonic the theater was not very crowded but like I’ve mentioned before I never go on opening days and I also goto daytime screenings to avoid the night crowd.

There were people behind us that made some noise but nothing distracting. Nobody was too loud or rude. I don’t think there were any little kids either. So you can kinda make it easier depending when you go but you never know the group you’ll end up with.

I don’t mind the trailers but now we’ve all seen them online by that time.

Prices cannot be overlooked though. Popcorn is fine and usually really good but other stuff is too expensive. I’ve never snuck in food but you should not have work around it.

Again home releases/Blu-ray are basically the same price as tickets. That’s the ultimate reason to just wait. You’re still supporting the movie and can watch it anytime with as many people as you want.

I understand wanting to experience big movies. If I was a huge Marvel fan I probably would have gone to those too. I never said or implied everyone else should stop liking it. It’s just imo home > theater.

[CyberCubed]

Honestly I usually only saw 3-4 movies in theater a year, maybe 5 at times if there were a lot of superhero movies coming out that year.

Also movies come out on blu-ray/streaming so fast these days, like only 3-4 months after a movie debuts in theater, that it's easy to wait. I remember back in the 90's and early 2000's it took like 6+ months later for a movie to come out on VHS and DVD so that's why people didn't want to wait so long to see it.

[Leo656]

To Coola's point, I have nothing but disdain for MCU films past the first Captain America and Iron Man movies (give or take an Incredible Hulk, and the first Avengers movie was alright), but the broad point about how "Some movies are better as Events, in an Event Setting" is sound. Comic book films in general are a good example of this. Also Godzilla/kaiju flicks, action movies... anything where there's a lot of special effects and noise. They just play better - and in turn the experience becomes more enjoyable - in that environment.

Look at how much money those awful Transformers movies make. ALL of that is based on how they come off in a theater setting. When you watch them on TV at "regular" scale? They're terrible, completely exposed as garbage because all the spectacle is gone. Now, this might sound a bit backhanded, as if I'm saying "The theatrical experience tricks people into thinking Bad Movies are Good" - and that IS true, that is what happens a whole lot of the time, but that's not my main point. The point is, a lot of people like "spectacle" movies, and without the "spectacle", a lot of those movies don't even have any reason to exist at all.

Most people watching at home don't have a home theater sound setup, nor a screen larger than 42 inches. Some do, MOST don't. Just like a ton of people don't have broadband, either. MOST people are not going to be able to replicate the intended experience of many films at home, for any or all of those reasons.

I also have to laugh at the idea that popcorn and soda are the make-or-break variables in the whole thing for some people. Nobody makes you buy concessions. :lol: Sure, that too is "part of the experience" but you can easily take it or leave it. If you can't go two hours without sticking salted snacks or sugar water in your hole, not for nothin', you're probably fat. In which case you have way bigger problems than the price of movie theater popcorn. :trazz:

If two people go to a theater on a Sunday afternoon and don't bother with snacks, that's less than $20 for the entire excursion.

I personally was only going between 2-5 times a year myself, but that has nothing to do with the theater experience and everything to do with the fact that nothing good has been coming out. If you hate Marvel movies, then yeah, it's all kind of a waste of time lately. But that's not theaters' fault, that's on Disney for oversaturating the market and not leaving any room for anything else. If more good movies came out I would have gladly gone to see them. But I wasn't gonna waste my time or money on things like Terminator Whatever or the Sonic movie which promised to be lousy from a mile away. I'd gladly try and go like once a month or two if there were more movies out that were worth it.

[IMJ]

I love the theater but this is how this has unfolded for me.

-Been going to the theater for new releases, event movies or just for fun basically forever.
-Then there were years where maybe 99% I started going to a really good brew 'n view in the Northwest burbs of Chicago. Then a few more like it crept up and gave more brew 'n view options.
-Then one day for whatever reason we went back to a "traditional" theater, I think that still does pretty well at a mall. Teenage kids were literally running around ninja-kicking and nonsense like it was an after school roller skating party.
-Realized that I don't want to be in the midst of that kind of crap anymore for a variety of reasons.

I don't have a set time that I go to the theater (like those guys "Well I get up at 830 am like clockwork and always, always go to the early, early matinee"). But at this point I want to go, be comfortable and enjoy the movie. It's brew and views for me or basically nothing at this point. But if things were normal I'd still be going to the theater for the event flicks or for otherwise solid movies. I think the last one I saw that wasn't an event flick was "Motherless Brooklyn" which I thought was really good.

[Leo656]

See, a lot of this sounds regional. In my experience people don't act like that over here.

Sure, any kids' movie or super-hero movie is going to generally be full of rowdy kids or obnoxious teenagers. And I used to really hate that. But I noticed that once I only started seeing movies at 10pm on a weekday evening or just about any time on a Sunday afternoon, I never had a bad experience again. Seems like a simple enough solution. Although it probably helps to just plain avoid kids' movies or Marvel movies entirely, as I do. :trazz: I mean if I went to a theater to see something like the Sonic movie or anything with "Transformers" in the title, I'd have to accept going in that most people there are children or morons or Childlike Morons. So I just wouldn't even put myself in that situation. "To avoid idiots, Don't Go Where They Go", right?

Sounds like an inordinate amount of you folks have the unfortunate situation of living in areas that are predominantly populated by assholes. Glad I live in Joisey. :lol:

But seriously, jokes aside, weekdays at 10pm or anytime on a Sunday. Problem solved. At those times it's nothing but people with no kids who work a steady job and who just want to see a movie and relax. "Normal" people.

[sdp]

Movie theaters have been struggling for decades now and the only way they can mask that is by inflating ticket prices more than double than inflation. It gave rise to over budget films to get people into cinemas spending millions in Advertisement which only made return of investment more difficult and has killed creativity in hollywood hence all the remakes and sequels since it's what they know will sell. This is also why there's less movie studios now.

Calling people virgins in 2020 is as antiquated as the movie theater model, seriously haven't heard that term used like that since I was in high school. It's only been brought back recently as incels recently. Teens and adults now have apps like tinder, dating has changed in the age of hook up culture.

Think of it, paying money to watch tv on a bigger screen. Teens and adults are in front of screens all day, whether the phone or computers at work, when people go outside they want to go to the park, museums etc disconnect and be able to talk and socialize instead of being in a dark place that you can't talk for 2+ hours.

I watched like 3 movies a year, especially those that you wanted to go at midnight showings etc. It's an experience but not for every super hero movie that comes out every 3 months. Prices are expensive, it's really. 70/30 ratio of whether you'll get an audience that respects others or they will be talking, kids crying, or literally sending messages in the middle of the movie. Horrible experiences.

I'm sure Gen Xs and boomers have great memories of cinemas but society has evolved and people don't go to the circus either despite being a far more unique experience than cinemas.

[Leo656]

Psst. Theaters don't make money on tickets. Like 80% of that goes to the studio. Snack prices are where theaters make their money, which is why those prices are high. If you have a problem with the cost of movie tickets, go yell at Disney.

Meanwhile, you're always in multiple threads talking about how a push-button society where a bunch of fat shut-ins never leave the house is somehow "evolution". Sorry, that's loser talk. I call what I see.

You're one of those "I have the songs on my iPod, I don't need to see the band in concert" types, I can smell it. No world full of people like that is an "evolved" one.

Human beings "evolved" out of caves and being afraid of the sun and in turn developed social interaction and community. People like you would have us back in the caves. Well, most people of sound mind don't call that "progress", they call it Regression. Cheerlead for it all you want, not everybody's buying it.

[sdp]

I haven't used an ipod since 2007 when u good the first iphone, i don't think some had made new ipods in like ten years. Another relic of the past.

I used to have huge CD collection in my teens but still heard them as downloaded files instead for the better experience. It's the way to go over physical, i don't care for vinyl records.

Live music is a completely different experience, it's worse quality but you go for the live performance and feel the music. Not really a comparable to thing to recorded music.

[Coola Yagami]

Calling people virgins in 2020 is as antiquated as the movie theater model, seriously haven't heard that term used like that since I was in high school. It's only been brought back recently as incels recently. Teens and adults now have apps like tinder, dating has changed in the age of hook up culture.


That.... really hasn't changed anything. Tinder apps only help those that were already constantly getting laid get laid even more. The reason 'incel' became such a term is because there are still tons and tons of virgin 'losers' out there even in this day and age. Swipe Left and all that.

[IMJ]

I haven't used an ipod since 2007 when u good the first iphone, i don't think some had made new ipods in like ten years. Another relic of the past.

I used to have huge CD collection in my teens but still heard them as downloaded files instead for the better experience. It's the way to go over physical, i don't care for vinyl records.

Live music is a completely different experience, it's worse quality but you go for the live performance and feel the music. Not really a comparable to thing to recorded music.

Audio in a variety of it's formats has become a hobby of mine. I still have a crazy CD collection and I've got a modest vinyl collection. The vinyl collection is relatively small (basically it's a collection that fills a small, 4x4 Ikea Kallax) but it's all super quality stuff.

I'm a big fan of High-Res tracks - there's a great website I hit a lot called HD Tracks. But I love my physical media and I pimp the short lived DVD-Audio and Blu Ray audio as much as I can.

Stone Temple Pilots "Core" on DVD-Audio is amazing.
Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" on Blu Ray audio is a religious experience, lmao! Check them out if you can....

[Leo656]

I'd honestly buy more vinyl if I had anything to play it on. I've got boxes of old records but we honestly don't have room even for our stereo at the moment. And the stereo we have doesn't have a turntable. If I don't have room for what I have I'm not inclined to buy even more stuff I can't use. :lol:

More of a CD guy anyhow, just because they're easier to take care of (and at least I can listen to them in the car, even though that's not optimal sound either). It's rare I double-dip on anything but I picked up a few albums on CD that were remastered despite having the original CD releases, and holy sh*t, what a difference. Nirvana's "Nevermind" and Guns N Roses "Appetite For Destruction" are the two that jump out off the top of my head. They sound way, WAY better on the newer releases. I forget how many CDs I have but I think it's around 300. I don't buy as many as I used to; I already have most of what I want and there's just not as many good bands putting stuff out anymore.

What kills me is how some bands have been putting stuff out ONLY on vinyl lately. Like the last two Dead Sara records, or the Blink 182 "Dogs Eating Dogs" EP from a ways back. I mean the vinyl releases go for insane prices anyway, so I wouldn't be buying those, but it's annoying that they won't even put them out on CD. This is a case where I'm going to have to "cheat" and burn stuff when I'd really prefer not to do that. :ohwell: To make it worse, the burner on my laptop is broken. Bah.

Since I'm lazy and usually just listening while I'm reading or painting lately, I confess that I do mostly just listen to stuff on my phone with headphones, but it all absolutely sounds like sh*t that way. Really wish we had a spare corner for my stereo, but I'd have to move a bunch of sh*t around.

[CyberCubed]

How many people watch movies/shows on their phones now? I used to see people watching random netflix shows on the subway to work for years, so I assume it's a thing people regularly do.

Most people watch stuff while on the bus stop, or in the subway, or in the mall, or just outside. You don't really need to watch things on TV anymore either.

[Andrew NDB]

I understand there's a notable dip in quality between, say, MP3 and WAV quality audio. CDs have uncompressed WAV quality audio. Now, you can take an uncompressed WAV and convert it into an MP3 with very, very little compression to where even the most untrained ear won't hear any different... but most MP3s people are going to download or "want" are going to sit around 3 megs vs. what would be a 50 meg WAV on a CD.

What I don't necessarily buy is the "I can hear a significant difference between an audio track on CD and an audio track on my record player." And even if so, nowhere in the stratosphere of wanting or justifying a big collection of bulky records, 12 songs a piece laying around vs. a thumb drive or smart phone with 5,000 songs in MP3 that I can play in my computer with surround sound or play in my car via blu-tooth. For me.

Calling people virgins in 2020 is as antiquated as the movie theater model, seriously haven't heard that term used like that since I was in high school.

When did that ever go out of style?

I'm sure Gen Xs and boomers have great memories of cinemas but society has evolved

Yeah, it's called February. As in this past one.

[IMJ]

How many people watch movies/shows on their phones now? I used to see people watching random netflix shows on the subway to work for years, so I assume it's a thing people regularly do.

Most people watch stuff while on the bus stop, or in the subway, or in the mall, or just outside. You don't really need to watch things on TV anymore either.

I do not do this. I read on my phone a lot though.

What I don't necessarily buy is the "I can hear a significant difference between an audio track on CD and an audio track on my record player."

I like this convo, but I can't decide how deeply I want to go atm... lol
Ummmm..... Hm.

The short of it is this - people who state that vinyl sounds better than other formats are either lying for their on-boarding with a group, or they are citing a pressing that happens to sound better. If they were more informed, they wouldn't be making blanket statements like that.

For example, vinyl does not actually sound "better" than CD's or HD audio files.

However, vinyl has to be mastered with special care, and that is why there is such discrepancy between various pressings of various albums. So if you get a record that was cut correctly and mastered for vinyl by a great technician, then you may actually get a listening experience that is superior to other formats. But you won't inherently get a better experience in vinyl - anyone who says that is lying or more likely doesn't actually know any better.

On that note, I would argue that vinyl gives you a drier, more (I'm about to give a terrible and obvious descriptor here) more analog sound than most other formats. When you combine that with a superior mix (or mastering), then you'll have a superior listening experience to most other formats.

Also, vinyl is fun. It slows life down and creates a listening experience that goes back to the days of "listening to a whole album", or ingesting a composition as a whole.

I'm going to stop here because I've already typed more than I planned as a knee jerk response. But vinyl is worthy of discussion and collecting, but it is not necessarily "better".

[Leo656]

Yeah, I appreciate vinyl but the fact that it's so "delicate" and the very act of playing the record inevitably deteriorates it, to me means that it's not really a "superior" format. Pops and hisses are a matter of If, not When. I was a pretty big early-adopter of CDs for that very reason. Having spent much of my life listening to music with headphones - because I like my music Way Too Loud and almost always live with other people - I can say that of all the various music formats, to my ear CD recordings sound the best. When I listen to stuff that's streamed or converted to a digital download file or whatever, it sounds too compressed and "thin", if that makes any sense.

Heck, a lot of the wrestling companies I've worked for just rip songs for theme music off the internet now, whereas 10 years ago they all used CDs, and in that setting... ooof. I get why they'd rather not fumble with CDs and everything since they can just push a button, now. But it still sounds like absolute sh*t coming through the big speakers. With the CD version they'd always at least have a nice, thick sound. Doesn't sound the same at all when they just pull a digital track off the internet.


Yeah, it's called February. As in this past one.

There are times when your comedic timing is excellent, sir. :lol:

[Wildcat]

Also movies come out on blu-ray/streaming so fast these days, like only 3-4 months after a movie debuts in theater, that it's easy to wait. I remember back in the 90's and early 2000's it took like 6+ months later for a movie to come out on VHS and DVD so that's why people didn't want to wait so long to see it.This and prices being equivalent to just buying a movie are the biggest reasons home is more preferable to some like myself.

Sure the other stuff is annoying but can be tolerated for the sake of the movie. Don’t buy food (I only get popcorn and drink), go during better times (seems we all do this)...but when you consider everything as a whole home release is worth the shorter wait.

I understand wanting the theater experience with certain movies. It’s why we all go at some point. Aside from a giant screen though I think most people have a decent enough setup. Even a standard big screen HDTV is still very nice.

[NinjaPug]

Nolan isn’t mincing words about this:

"Some of our industry’s biggest filmmakers and most important movie stars went to bed the night before thinking they were working for the greatest movie studio and woke up to find out they were working for the worst streaming service."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/christopher-nolan-rips-hbo-max-as-worst-streaming-service-denounces-warner-bros-plan?__twitter_impression=true

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Psst. Theaters don't make money on tickets. Like 80% of that goes to the studio. Snack prices are where theaters make their money, which is why those prices are high.

Exactly! Most of our guests always come to the Concession Stands and buy something. We even get people from other stores within our mall come in just to buy their favorite candy. I remember when a family of six came in and ordered over $200 of so much to eat that it took around 15 minutes to complete their order.

[Leo656]

I used to wonder why I'd get comped free tickets so easily for any old reason - movie started earlier than advertised and we missed the first five minutes, free tickets. Projector was a bit out of focus, free tickets. Then a buddy who worked for a theater smartened me up and explained that almost all the money from tickets goes directly back to the studios and that it's more or less Disney who sets the ticket prices, and so since theaters aren't making any money on that end anyways they'll just give away free tickets since they know most people will buy snacks when they come in.

But yeah, I'm old enough to remember when even snacks were a lot more reasonable, too. But once Disney started taking a much higher percentage of ticket sales after their big resurgence in the 90s, the theaters had to make the money back somewhere, it's not like they're working for free.

It's a bummer, but like most things wrong with the world, it's all The Mouse's fault. Disney really does ruin everything for everyone.

[IMJ]

Exactly! Most of our guests always come to the Concession Stands and buy something. We even get people from other stores within our mall come in just to buy their favorite candy. I remember when a family of six came in and ordered over $200 of so much to eat that it took around 15 minutes to complete their order.

Those brew 'n views I mentioned always have free tickets and ways to let you into the movie on them. But before you leave you've ordered appetizers and full dinners and so on.

But I can't help but feel the value is so much greater there than through a 10 dollar box of... I dunno... ju-ju-bees or whatever.

[Leo656]

I mean, people shouldn't eat that sh*t anyway. If they wanna eat garbage so bad that they'll pay exorbitant prices for the "privilege" and then bitch about it - that's their own goddamn fault. :lol:

Our local theater was at the mall up the road, so we'd always make a night of it. Do some shopping, get dinner at the excellent little Chinese place there where they'd seriously overload your portions for $6 a plate, then go see a flick. Sometimes we'd be so full of rice, chicken and wontons we wouldn't even bother with popcorn. No big deal.

People don't do this sh*t right, is the thing. :lol: They complain about sh*t but the truth is they're livin' wrong. :trazz:

[IMJ]

I mean, people shouldn't eat that sh*t anyway. If they wanna eat garbage so bad that they'll pay exorbitant prices for the "privilege" and then bitch about it - that's their own goddamn fault. :lol:

Our local theater was at the mall up the road, so we'd always make a night of it. Do some shopping, get dinner at the excellent little Chinese place there where they'd seriously overload your portions for $6 a plate, then go see a flick. Sometimes we'd be so full of rice, chicken and wontons we wouldn't even bother with popcorn. No big deal.

People don't do this sh*t right, is the thing. :lol: They complain about sh*t but the truth is they're livin' wrong. :trazz:

Dude, one of the places I go to has an awesome salmon sandwhich. They call it "A Sandwhich Called Wanda" on the menu.

It is second only to the "Arnold Schwarzenburger".

[Leo656]

What the f*ck, does Bob Belcher run it? :lol:

[IMJ]

What the f*ck, does Bob Belcher run it? :lol:

The whole menu dude - appetizer? Nacho Libre...

[Leo656]

....Do they MAKE you "play along", or can you just say, "Yeah, I'll have some f*ckin' nachos, thanks"?

Because I don't think that I could ever give people like that my money in good conscience. I would definitely urinate on the floor of their restroom on purpose, just on general principle. I've done it before for less.

[IMJ]

....Do they MAKE you "play along", or can you just say, "Yeah, I'll have some f*ckin' nachos, thanks"?

Because I don't think that I could ever give people like that my money in good conscience. I would definitely urinate on the floor of their restroom on purpose, just on general principle. I've done it before for less.

Nah, you can order "nachos with chicken" as an appetizer. LOL!

[Leo656]

Whew, thank God.

Puns are the lowest form of comedy and the only reasonable response is physical violence.

Or unreasonable discharge of bodily fluids. Y'know, like, whatever.

[Coola Yagami]

Oh Leo you're no fun. It's no different than going to Mickey D's and asking for a Big Mac instead of just 'gimme a Burger.

Yeah my smaller theater does the same. I usually go for the Swartzanegger burger.

[Leo656]

It's quite different. For one thing, only an idiot orders a "Big Mac" instead of a Double Quarter Pounder With Cheese. The f*ck is with that extra slice of bread in the middle? I want beef, dammit, not a goddamn "bread sandwich". While we're at it, throw some goddamn bacon on that sum'bitch.

Y'know, what? F*ck it. F*ck your sandwich. Just bring me a live cow. I'll carve off what I want and I'll ride the rest home!!!

........Where I will proceed to spend about 25 minutes in the bathroom, because my dietary "Meat-To-Vegetable" ratio is about 99-1. :ohwell: I'm currently petitioning the Supreme Court to declare "coffee" a vegetable.

Y'know what else I like to do occasionally, is eat my half of a White Castle Crave Case, 15 cheeseburger sliders in one shot, and then spend the next three days cursing every name for "God" that exists while arguing with myself about whether this is an appropriate reason to go to the hospital.

You f*ckers don't know how to party.

[IMJ]

It's quite different. For one thing, only an idiot orders a "Big Mac" instead of a Double Quarter Pounder With Cheese. The f*ck is with that extra slice of bread in the middle? I want beef, dammit, not a goddamn "bread sandwich". While we're at it, throw some goddamn bacon on that sum'bitch.

Y'know, what? F*ck it. F*ck your sandwich. Just bring me a live cow. I'll carve off what I want and I'll ride the rest home!!!

........Where I will proceed to spend about 25 minutes in the bathroom, because my dietary "Meat-To-Vegetable" ratio is about 99-1. :ohwell: I'm currently petitioning the Supreme Court to declare "coffee" a vegetable.

Y'know what else I like to do occasionally, is eat my half of a White Castle Crave Case, 15 cheeseburger sliders in one shot, and then spend the next three days cursing every name for "God" that exists while arguing with myself about whether this is an appropriate reason to go to the hospital.

You f*ckers don't know how to party.

Dude.


Dude.

What if they put the thousand island dressing on the double quarter pounder?

Oof Mind. BLOWN.

[Leo656]

Holy sh*t, now there's a Gribble of an idea.

We need to start our own burger joint. Call it "F*ck Yo' Arteries". :lol:

Actually, no sh*t, true story. Back in high school, I had this Really Great Idea for a new franchise called BurgerPimp. My buddies and I were in Burger King one night but I felt like the whole "royalty" motif was dated and played out. Ol' Dirty was getting a lot of play on the radio, The Godfather was a popular character on WWF TV, and pimpin', as they say, was In. I figured there was money there.

I had all the bases covered. Every location would be bathed in mood lighting, with music from the Dolemite movies played on a constant loop. All the male employees would be dressed like Huggy Bear, the women like Pam Grier, and they'd greet customers by saying "Welcome to BurgerPimp, home'a the Holla Fo' A Dolla Combo. Lemme get'cha order, ho!" Instead of cheesy cardboard crowns, we'd give kids little plastic pimp hats. For pack-in toys we'd have gaudy plastic pimp rings and gold rope chains. Our version of the Whopper would be the "Bitch Betta Have My Money" Burger, with the "Funky Chicken" Sandwich as our secondary attraction. OH. And the soda fountain would exclusively pump Grape Soda. While waiting for their order to come in, customers would be entertained by dancing girls in cages. It was bulletproof. Especially the windows, because Obviously. But I mean the idea itself, too.

I am dead serious about all of this, by the way. I had more stuff written down somewhere but I lost it. In the end, we couldn't get the capital. But I still swear that if we could get at least one location running it would be a franchise inside of five years. Maybe only regionally, but still. The problem with fast food places nowadays is that nobody has a proper gimmick, and even most McDonalds look like converted banks. But BurgerPimp would have an identity. It would be an experience.

The problem is, the people who decide who gets a small business loan don't have any f*cking vision.

You, however, seem like a man of vision, as well as means. What say you? Wanna go all-in with me on BurgerPimp? F*ck it, the world's gonna end soon anyways. Might as well die laughin'. We can work the Thousand Island Dressing Quarter-Pounder in there. Call it the "Pimp-Slap Supreme" Burger, or some sh*t like that.

C'mon, man. You gotta do it. It's either You and Me, OR I gotta kill everyone in this room before they make off with what promises to be a billion-dollar idea. Your call.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Before our theater closed, our managers were teasing that we were gonna be serving burgers which a lot of the staff dreaded. Since we had both an Ono Hawaiian BBQ and a Five Guy's not too far from us in our mall, no one saw the point in serving burgers in a theater. To be honest, I always thought it would kill time to make burgers on a slow day (busy is a different scenario).

So maybe that's what they were dreading. But because Concession attracts almost everyone in our mall, the theater will do anything to rake in more customers with more choices. Something I'd expect from a place that sells Red/Grape Vines for $4.75. That's business.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

C'mon, man. You gotta do it. It's either You and Me, OR I gotta kill everyone in this room before they make off with what promises to be a billion-dollar idea. Your call.

Don't mind me, I'm just off to find a venture capitalist with enough liquid assets to get me into the game... (whistling innocently)

[CyberCubed]

Ever since I've been working at home over the last 8 months, the concept of leaving the house has felt like such a chore. I have no movie theaters in walking distance so I have to travel to get to one, and the idea of either driving/taking the subway to get to a theater feels like such a chore to me.

I don't know, the convenience of everything at home now has really changed things. I also pretty much stopped going to malls/stores for the most part and just ordered everything I needed online from either amazon or ebay or whatever.

You pretty much never have to leave the house again, except maybe grocery shopping (I still don't buy food online), but that's about it.

[sdp]

You pretty much never have to leave the house again, except maybe grocery shopping (I still don't buy food online), but that's about it.
https://www.nextbigbrand.in/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/The-service-starts-today-August-23-in-Bengaluru-1024x576.png

[AquaParade]

I actually enjoy grocery shopping. Idk if that is considered weird but it's fun to pick out a bunch of food 5o eat and feel like I am getting deals on stuff. It's also a constant excuse to go on a walk. It's going to feel super strange when we can go back into stores without a mask. It will be like getting your braces off or walking around in underwear. Maybe even like drinking orange juice after brushing your teeth.

Yeah, I may get HBO Max though. I definitely want to see Suicide Squad.

[sdp]

I like to choose my veggies and food so I'm not sure I'd ever be a fan of someone who doesn't have OCD doing it for me. I don't look forward to people not respecting basic hygiene in stores once this is over and masks should be a common thing during the flu season like in asian countries, i hope the pandemic means that some people will start to do it from now on even if it's only some.

[Andrew NDB]

"Some of our industry’s biggest filmmakers and most important movie stars went to bed the night before thinking they were working for the greatest movie studio and woke up to find out they were working for the worst streaming service" - Christopher Nolan on the HBO Max deal.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/christopher-nolan-rips-hbo-max-as-worst-streaming-service-denounces-warner-bros-plan

[AquaParade]

While Nolan knows a hell of a lot more about the movie industry than I do, I have to imagine that these circumstances mean basically nothing should be that surprising. How on earth will these studios stay alive if they just sit on this stuff forever? It certainly seems to be the case that people are not willing or able to go to theaters. Didn't Tenet prove that? What is the alternative?

[ranger_scout]

The DGA says that the decision Warner Bros. made was "unacceptable."

DGA Tells WarnerMedia That Deal To Release 2021 Warner Bros Movie Slate On HBO Max Is “Unacceptable” – Read The Full Letter (https://deadline.com/2020/12/amc-ent-cash-may-be-gone-in-january-warner-1234654916/)

[sdp]

Directors and actors can whine all they want but the industry is moving on. It makes sense it's in their best interest for the movie to do well in theaters for Star power, there's still a signs for actors between big screen and small screen which is irrelevant how with hollywood starts doing streaming movies nowadays.

Many are also pissed since they are getting nothing it out of it while it's known gal gadot and others got s nice bonus, so many just want to be given some $$ and they'll shut up.

[CyberCubed]

It's the year 2020 where people watch movies on their 10 inch iphone on the way to work. You don't even need a TV anymore to watch things, so the industry has changed.

[Leo656]

It's the year 2020 where idiots watch movies on their 10 inch iphone on the way to work.

Fixed for accuracy.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Fixed for accuracy.

I love you, man. This made my fvcking day.

FIGHT THE GOOD FVCKING FIGHT, BROTHER

[IMJ]

Fixed for accuracy.

I love you, man. This made my fvcking day.

FIGHT THE GOOD FVCKING FIGHT, BROTHER

Yup... I've always thought of that as a thing that we do simply because we can. Nothing more.

[Sumac]

Directors and actors can whine all they want but the industry is moving on.
Moving to where exactly?

Because, so far direction looks pretyy **** - no more big tentpole events, but just bunch of high budget TV specials is not what I'd call "moving". More like running rounds on the same space.

[Leo656]

A bunch of incels never have to leave their house again, though.

"Evolution".

[CyberCubed]

I haven't left my home in a month, since I've been working from home I only go somewhere maybe once a month now.

And there are some months I don't go outside at all.

[sdp]

Moving to where exactly?

Because, so far direction looks pretyy **** - no more big tentpole events, but just bunch of high budget TV specials is not what I'd call "moving". More like running rounds on the same space.
And the movie industry is fine now ?
Only remakes and sequels, Over budget movies meaning that only the safest movies guaranteed to make their ROI are made ,, "blockbuster" movies with little to tell outside of explosions, PG13 only because it's too risky to make R rated movies, catering/censoring for the chinese market so they came make their budget.
I'm not so sure

[Leo656]

I mean, no, that isn't a great state of affairs, but just like in the video game industry or anywhere else in the entertainment business, the audience does it to themselves. They vote with their dollars, and if sequels, "play-it-safe" mainstream stuff and blockbusters are all anyone ever pays for, it stands to reason that's all they're going to get.

I've railed against this for a long time, be it movies, games, whatever. People SAY they want one thing, but in the end they don't support that, they save all their money for "blockbusters" and sequels. New IPs get ignored. In turn, studios put all of their money into what sells. It works like that across the board.

The only way to change that is to actually support - financially - smaller and more original projects. Companies give people whatever they consistently pay to see; it sucks but you can't fault them for simply looking after the bottom line.

I mean I'd pay to see a good Western movie any day. But they're not going to make any until it's more than just me willing to pay to see it. Sucks for me, but it makes sense.

[CyberCubed]

There's a lot of great movies that come out each year that fly under the radar. I usually scan through rotten tomatoes by year to see the top movies and there's tons of stuff that are smaller movies that I never even heard of that I wound up enjoying after I watched them. Even stuff big-name actors are in, and Nicholas Cage has had a few good recent movies that nobody ever talks about.

[Sumac]

And the movie industry is fine now ?
Only remakes and sequels, Over budget movies meaning that only the safest movies guaranteed to make their ROI are made ,, "blockbuster" movies with little to tell outside of explosions, PG13 only because it's too risky to make R rated movies, catering/censoring for the chinese market so they came make their budget.
I'm not so sure
Even then they can occasionally create some good stuff.
And, as much as I despise remakes / reboots and sequels, its better than having nothing at all.