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Samuel L. Jackson is back as Nick Fury and Ben Mendelsohn from Captain Marvel returns as the Skrull Talos in Marvel Studios' Original Series Secret Invasion. Coming to #DisneyPlus.



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[neatoman]

The entire premise of Secret Invasion is that several Skrulls have kidnapped and replaced superheroes with the intention of taking over earth. How does that align with the MCU depiction of the Skrulls as innocent refugees?

[Leo656]

You think the people who make MCU movies actually look at the comic books past the covers? :lol: After 80 movies already, what on Earth gave you that idea? :trazz:

At best, they skim Wikipedia. They're not the least it concerned with fidelity.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Eh. I'd be more excited if we had more interesting heroes. But with Cap and Tony both gone, and no X-Men...

We'll see. Marginally interested, could go either way.

[neatoman]

You think the people who make MCU movies actually look at the comic books past the covers? :lol: After 80 movies already, what on Earth gave you that idea? :trazz:

At best, they skim Wikipedia. They're not the least it concerned with fidelity.

Which brings us to a good point, why is it so rare to see actual adaptations of comic book story arcs?

I hear a lot of weak excuses like "comic book stories are so complicated, they need to be streamlined". Yes, streamlined not thrown out. Streamlining does not mean "let's take the bare bones idea and do whatever the hell we want", it means simplifying what's there to make it work within a two hour runtime. An comic stories might end up having a lot continuity attached to them due to running for decades but the arcs themselves tend to be fairly easy to understand, because the continuity can rather easily be brushed off as backstory (which is something literally every single story, regardless of how it's told, has by the way). And the dirty little secret with Marvel/DC in particular is that becuase most things reset in some way, it doesn't even really matter in what order you read most of them.

You don't need to adapt everything to keep the story the same, just cut out the parts that aren't necessary and important background info can just be talked about. Hollywood does this to novels all the damn time and comics really shouldn't be any different in theory.

[Leo656]

The reason they've given out loud for this is, "We don't want the movies/TV shows to be 'predictable' for people who've already read the comics."

Which fundamentally misunderstands the comic book audience, which historically is very outspoken about not liking change and wanting things Exactly The Way They Like It. Sure, there's exceptions, but MOST comic book fans are huge fans of status quo, continuity and fidelity, and they would generally prefer that the "adaptations" play things as straight as possible and not deviate too much.

BUT. The studios would rather "surprise" people, which the comic book-reading audience bitches about 99% of the time. And the studios also realize that most of the people watching the movie/show have never and will never read a comic book, so they figure "It doesn't matter anyway."

But see, I think that's backwards. I think that's all the more reason why they SHOULD just keep things straight, because then you please everybody. The comic book fans get a "straight" adaptation with very few questionable/infuriating deviations, and the newer audience who hasn't read the comics will be "surprised" by what they see, anyway. Everybody wins. Sure, there's comic book fans who DO say, "I'd prefer they go off-script", but they're by far the minority. MOST comic book fans would prefer things be as 1:1 as possible.

So, that's the answer to your question. They're hellbent on "surprising" a group of people who generally don't want to be surprised.

[Andrew NDB]

This IS live action, yes?

I guess I was wrong, or they changed plans mid-COVID. I was sure Captain Marvel 2 was going to be Captain Marvel: Secret Invasion.

[IMJ]

It seems like Marvel really capped themselves in the knee as far as feature films go. So much of this is T.V. now. What do we have that's honestly anticipated theater now? Spider-Man. Dr. Strange. That's it. The rest of it looks like crap.

[Andrew NDB]

It seems like Marvel really capped themselves in the knee as far as feature films go. So much of this is T.V. now. What do we have that's honestly anticipated theater now? Spider-Man. Dr. Strange. That's it. The rest of it looks like crap.

I doubt they're worried. They've still got the entire X-Men verse to throw at us, whenever they want to.

[IMJ]

I doubt they're worried. They've still got the entire X-Men verse to throw at us, whenever they want to.

They really need to just do a 90's, costumed X-Men dude.

[Andrew NDB]

They really need to just do a 90's, costumed X-Men dude.

Of course! That's what I've been waiting for. You know, maybe not quite as bright and colorful... but if the Singerverse is a "1" and the 90s X-Men/X-Men TAS stuff is a "10" in terms of "Big" and "Bright," then maybe strike a balance somewhere around a 6 or a 7.

[Leo656]

It leaked out a while ago that in the X-Men reboot, either Magneto or Xavier (or both) is gonna be black, and one or both might be gay as well.

Still interested? You know that's no smoke, at least one of those things is an absolute lock. If they're not going for a straight-up 90s X-Men adaptation WITHOUT any pointless nonsense, I ain't interested.

[Andrew NDB]

It leaked out a while ago that in the X-Men reboot, either Magneto or Xavier (or both) is gonna be black, and one or both might be gay as well.

I don't buy those rumors, personally. But yeah... "Forced Diversity" will be inflicted upon existing characters for sure. It's just a question of to what extent and if it will be characters anybody cares about.

I wonder what they'll do with Magneto, though. Perhaps they'll void the Auschwitz/WWII stuff and contemporize things somehow. Like how Nam became Afghanistan/Iraq for Punisher, etc..

[Leo656]

Well that's why they said they were doing it. Can't do "Holocaust Survivor", because 1. "Too long ago" and 2. "Makes people uncomfortable". So therefore Magento will be black/gay because that's the exact same thing. :roll: They merely want to focus on him as being a victimized minority and they think those things are more contemporary. That's the entire point of it.

Plus, "allegedly", so many people already joke about Magneto and Xavier being jilted gay lovers that they just want to lean into it.

I absolutely believe the rumors. It fits completely with their already-announced upcoming slate and what their priorities for THOSE movies are. They wouldn't "waste" race-flipping or "straight-to-gay" flipping a minor character, it'll absolutely be one of the Big Ones.

Vegas Odds say at the very least Magneto will be black, while Xavier might be white, but they'll almost certainly be ex-lovers.

So, again... still interested? Not me. Which sucks. A "real" X-Men movie would be the only way I'd ever go see an MCU movie in theaters. I know they don't need my money and all, but still.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah... that'd be a pass from me.

[Galactus]

The entire premise of Secret Invasion is that several Skrulls have kidnapped and replaced superheroes with the intention of taking over earth. How does that align with the MCU depiction of the Skrulls as innocent refugees?

You know there are good Skrulls and bad Skrulls, right?

[ZariusTwo]

Just as they're good and bad refugees.

I do think this ought to be a Sony/Marvel collab. One of the big players in the original was Jessica Drew, aka Spider-Woman, who the Skrull Queen impersonated.

[Galactus]

This IS live action, yes?

I guess I was wrong, or they changed plans mid-COVID. I was sure Captain Marvel 2 was going to be Captain Marvel: Secret Invasion.

I don't think it was ever confirmed that Captain Marvel 2 was going to be Secret Invasion but it was rumoured it was going to adapt that and the Kree/Skrull war and it certainly made sense given what the first movie set up.

I think it could still work. The Nick Fury show covers the Secret Invasion half while the movie covers the more action heavy Kree/Skrull war stuff.

Just as they're good and bad refugees.

I do think this ought to be a Sony/Marvel collab. One of the big players in the original was Jessica Drew, aka Spider-Woman, who the Skrull Queen impersonated.

Jessica Drew had a cult following and had been built up again by Bendis so it was a shock that she had been a Skrull all along. The character hasn't even made her debut in the MCU. No one would care if she was an imposter. I wouldn't be averse to the character in the MCU and to see her friendship with Carol but I'm not sure this is the story to do it.

Come to think of it I can't think of what character in the MCU we'd care about enough for it to be a shock to find out they'd long been a Skrull. Maria Hill maybe?

[ZariusTwo]

Olivia Coleman in negotiations to join the cast

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/olivia-colman-in-talks-to-join-samuel-l-jackson-in-marvels-secret-invasion-exclusive?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

[Andrew NDB]

And Emilia Clarke:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/emilia-clarke-joins-marvels-secret-invasion/

Cool, I guess.

[AquaParade]

Fans like me are going to expect a "who's who" of Marvel characters in a show like this. I hope they take that into account.

On a side note, I think both the press and actors need to hop off the **** of this need to talk about upcoming cameos. Yes, Luke Skywalker was cool, in part because we didn't expect it.
The press needs to stop trying to spoil it. They are putting the actors in a tough position when they ask "is there anything as cool as the Luke cameo in this show??"
Even if they reveal the truth, it only makes the moment less special.
The actors aren't inclined to answer "Nope. Nothing that mindblowing, but the story is good!"
Therefore, the press know they will get some sort of tease they can make clickbait out of.

Neither "cameo" from either MCU show has been worth the hype that has been generated online. So please let the show play out organically, and when someone pops up we can actually enjoy it rather than be disappointed that it's not Robert Downey Jr or Wolverine.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Oh, I dunno, I'd say Madame Hydra chatting up the new Cap was a pretty big deal, both for future possibilities storywise, and for character intro reasons. That wasn't so much about who was playing her, as WHO she was playing! And I'm going to repeat myself here, but I called it weeks ago- US Agent will be the MCU's version of the "Hydra Cap" story. Just so they can use that idea without tarnishing the rep of the REAL Cap....

[AquaParade]

I respect that the cameo worked on that level for you, but I still think the hype does it a disservice. I suppose if I keep my own expectations in check, there is nothing to worry about, but at the same time, I get annoyed with the press constantly rallying it up.

[Andrew NDB]

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[Coola Yagami]

Kinda hope some characters appear in this to help out. I'm assuming the teaser won't spoil any, but c'mon, I don't care how bad-ass Fury is, Secret Invasion is an Avengers level threat. Don't downplay this.

[ProphetofGanja]

I really liked the flavor of that trailer, I tell you what

[Autbot_Benz]

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[Andrew NDB]

Hm... might be cool. But seems way lower key than "Secret Invasion" actually was. Hopefully there's at least a few "heavies" that get Skrulled in this, not just, like, Rhodey and a couple others.

[IMJ]

I can't help but feel that any hype for this is born solely of the people who still fall for the formulaic trailers with suspenseful, bass-filled musical cues. As in, when Marvel doesn't know what to do then go for the Winter Soldier approach - that always works.

[Andrew NDB]

I can't help but feel that any hype for this is born solely of the people who still fall for the formulaic trailers with suspenseful, bass-filled musical cues. As in, when Marvel doesn't know what to do then go for the Winter Soldier approach - that always works.

Pretty much. And I don't know how long this series is supposed to be but I suspect this will be one of those shows where every episode is like, "Ooooh, something is about to happen!" And then nothing really happens until the last 2 episodes, and even then it's not very much.

[IMJ]

Pretty much. And I don't know how long this series is supposed to be but I suspect this will be one of those shows where every episode is like, "Ooooh, something is about to happen!" And then nothing really happens until the last 2 episodes, and even then it's not very much.

Yeah. Another "movie cut into a mini-series" model but probably punctuated with weekly social justice lessons. :roll:

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah. Another "movie cut into a mini-series" model but probably punctuated with weekly social justice lessons. :roll:

And invariably there will be a female character entering a room saying some variation of, "Just got off the phone with my wife"/"Hey, I got that from my wife"/"wait till I tell my wife." Probably it will be Cobie Smulders in this one, poor thing.

Also... eh, is Sharon Carter not in this? I thought her whole heel turn in Falcon & The Winter Soldier was a setup for her being a Skrull.

[ZariusTwo]

Watched the first episode. OK, but the pacing was quite sluggish and nothing important happens for 40 minutes until the ending

Fury is made out to be pretty incompetent, something that is brought up by Olivia Coleman's character and even Maria Hill in what turns out to be their last proper conversation. Even his Skrull ally doesn't want him to help him deal with a renegade Skrull and isn't grateful when Fury succeeds in killing that one.

Not sure how committing terrorist acts in Moscow is gonna be received on the world stage given the rising tensions with Putin.

Maria is killed by a Skrull posing as Fury, Martin Freeman's Agent Ross was revealed as a Skrull and is killed at the beginning

[IMJ]

If I ever get around to watching this, it will be in some situation where I can just power through the entire thing.

WandaVision was fine. But then Falcon & The Winter Soldier came out which was fine in it's own way. But they literally made a show going on about the trials and impossibility of a black Captain America - on a show with a Black Captain America. It was the biggest signaled manipulation to the sheep ever from something on screen.
That level of foolishness was a nearly 100% ban on me paying for Marvel T.V.

Imagine that - some SJW enraged at the T.V. as the T.V. tells them that "America will never accept a Black Captain America" - on a show broadcast to the real world about a Black Captain America. :lol: F'n pathetic sheep.

And so my goodwill for Secret Invasion is gone. Completely.

[Coola Yagami]

Watched the first episode. OK, but the pacing was quite sluggish and nothing important happens for 40 minutes until the ending

Fury is made out to be pretty incompetent, something that is brought up by Olivia Coleman's character and even Maria Hill in what turns out to be their last proper conversation. Even his Skrull ally doesn't want him to help him deal with a renegade Skrull and isn't grateful when Fury succeeds in killing that one.

Not sure how committing terrorist acts in Moscow is gonna be received on the world stage given the rising tensions with Putin.

Maria is killed by a Skrull posing as Fury, Martin Freeman's Agent Ross was revealed as a Skrull and is killed at the beginning

Stupid waste. Killing off Maria Hill one one of the stupid shows rather than in the movies. Secret Invasion should have been a movie.

The shows thing was always such a stupid idea. Wandavision could have been a movie. Loki could have been a movie. Falcon and the Winter Soldier could have been a fun romp going on different missions, instead they turned it into useless filler. It's all dumb.

[IMJ]

Eh. She's been a bit part and barely appeared for years now anyway.

[member_removed]

Watched the first episode. OK, but the pacing was quite sluggish and nothing important happens for 40 minutes until the ending

So it's like every other first episode of MCU Disney+ TV.

[Andrew NDB]

Watched it. Pretty much as I expected/feared. Just a lot of characters in rooms with "intrigue" and music. This seems set to indeed be a small bit of almost nothing. A Sam Jackson mini to throw him some bones and to show they haven't buried him. But this is nothing. It feels like an inside/extended look at the terrorist group from Falcon and Winter Soldier again, and not in a good way. And that was far from a definitive death for Colbie. We didn't see her die and nothing says something/someones won't swoop in and save her immediately after this.

[ChosenOne]

This show is some seriously good sh*t. Probably the best thing Marvel Studios has put out on TV.

[Andrew NDB]

This show is some seriously good sh*t. Probably the best thing Marvel Studios has put out on TV.

Is episode 2 like way better and more interesting or something?

[Dpooly84]

This show is some seriously good sh*t. Probably the best thing Marvel Studios has put out on TV.

It's really good, I loved the 2nd episode. We can't even co-exist with each other! We been at war since we could walk upright.

[Mayhem]

Watched episode 1, sets up a few things, and yeah, bit of a shock to find two loved characters are bumped off (presumably). I didn't get to the end of WandaVision, probably should, so had to do a little reminder on SABRE.

What with the entire premise of the series, and given SABRE is staffed entirely by Skrulls, what if the big reveal is that the Fury we are seeing so far isn't the real Fury and he appears near the end, and that a Skrull has been impersonating him the entire time on Earth? But I guess that's too similar to Spiderman FFH.

[ChosenOne]

Is episode 2 like way better and more interesting or something?

I found it much more engaging than the first, yeah. Some really well-written and acted scenes like Fury and Talos on the train, Fury and Rhodes meeting, and Olivia Colman's character interrogating a prisoner. She absolutely stole the show there. The absence of big action CGI sequences forces it to lean more on intelligent material, which is good. I was reminded of Michael Crichton's writing at times.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm making my way through 4. There are some pretty OK moments but man, this has been a real chore to stay focused on or to hold my attention.

[Andrew NDB]

Funny stuff.

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[oldmanwinters]

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