Viacom Registers New Trademark for New TMNT Project "TMNT: The Next Chapter" [Archive]

superstaff

12-14-2020, 08:55 AM

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Next Chapter: ViacomCBS Applies to Register Trademark for New TMNT Project (http://nickalive.blogspot.com/2020/12/viacomcbs-applies-to-register-trademark.html)

From the article:

ViacomCBS is filing Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Next Chapter under "entertainment services in the nature of continuing program series, featuring animation, comedy and drama provided through cable television, broadcast television, internet, video-on-demand, and through other forms of transmission media; providing online information in the field of entertainment concerning television programs," which suggests that Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Next Chapter will be a new TMNT series, rather than the recently announced CG-animated Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theatrical movie Nickelodeon Animation is currently producing with Point Grey Pictures - although it could be a series based on the movie. It's also not thought to be related to Netflix's Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, expected to premiere next year.

It's also currently unknown which platform the new TMNT series is being produced for: Nickelodeon (linear and digital) or streamers such as CBS All Access/Paramount+ and Netflix.

ViacomCBS filed their application to trademark Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Next Chapter on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, as has the serial number 90367277.

Shark_Blade

12-14-2020, 09:01 AM

More vague stuff how awesome.

Thanks for sharing nonetheless.

The Turtle Terminator

12-14-2020, 09:02 AM

It’s a very creative name. Early thoughts is that it’s a continuation of something (duh!). Potentially the 2012 show, but all three shows have got a decent finale (no idea on Rise). Could this be the live action show in the movie universe that was rumoured a few years back?

superstaff

12-14-2020, 09:05 AM

More vague stuff how awesome.

Thanks for sharing nonetheless.

I think the fact they registered a trademark is pretty big.

Nothing concrete yet, but it's indicative they will continue the franchise very soon.

"Next Chapter" does imply this is a continuation of some kind.

CyberCubed

12-14-2020, 09:08 AM

"Next Chapter" really does sound odd if this is an all-new series.

Maybe the 2012 Nick show is coming back? If not, it's not a name I would use for a new continuity.

superstaff

12-14-2020, 09:21 AM

"Next Chapter" really does sound odd if this is an all-new series.

Maybe the 2012 Nick show is coming back? If not, it's not a name I would use for a new continuity.

Yeah, exactly.

There were rumors that they wanted to do a 1990 movie continuation a while ago, wasn't there? What if this is connected to that?

CyberCubed

12-14-2020, 09:47 AM

Given this sounds like a TV series I don't think anything from the older movies will be continued. And of course the original cartoon and 2k3 series are unlikely to receive a new series (even with all the OT Turtles crossovers over the years).

If it isn't a new continuity there's really nothing else I could imagine it being the next chapter of but a few things. We know Rise is already getting a movie to wrap it up too.

Galactus

12-14-2020, 09:51 AM

Call me deeply cynical but the title sounds like a show about the teenage sons and/or daughters of the original TMNT.

Autbot_Benz

12-14-2020, 09:54 AM

as long as the show is nothing like Rise I will be happy

CyberCubed

12-14-2020, 09:55 AM

Call me deeply cynical but the title sounds like a show about the teenage sons and/or daughters of the original TMNT.

That would be, "TMNT: The Next Generation."

This title reminds me of Dragonball Super, which was an official continuation of DBZ. I think the early press-releases for the Beerus movie referred to it as the next chapter.

newfan

12-14-2020, 10:05 AM

Not sure I want to pay too much attention, I'll wait until something is not only announced but also confirmed as in progress.

Just speaking in speculation the Next Chapter could be one of the former toons set later on on or a whole new toon just set with them older, after the stories we already know. So far as existing shows...I mean, it says not likely to be Rise but I suppose if it were that it could even be the next part for all we know, post the 'Rise' aspect. I dunno, it also speculates this might be instead of the new movie, that would be two movie threads we pointlessly have if that were the case. All just more speculation. Think I'll go back to reading Mirage and revisiting what I like.

superstaff

12-14-2020, 10:37 AM

This title reminds me of Dragonball Super, which was an official continuation of DBZ. I think the early press-releases for the Beerus movie referred to it as the next chapter.

Yeah, same here.

I think there's three possibilties:

1) It is the 'Next Chapter' of a pre-existing cartoon. Most likely 2012, but could also be 1987 or 2003, though I'd doubt it.

2) It is something where they are older, as someone else said, and set after their previous adventures (but also not related to one of the aforementioned cartoons, more like the adventures are informed). Maybe a more mature take on the franchise. I doubt it because kids and fans would probably prefer them being teenage mutants who fight Shredder, et al.

3) It is going to be something entirely new, they just use 'Next Chapter' as a cutesy tagline.

frank_one

12-14-2020, 11:04 AM

My bet is that this will be a sequel to the 1987 series. Nostalgia is the only thing they know that can work.

IMJ

12-14-2020, 11:17 AM

Call me deeply cynical but the title sounds like a show about the teenage sons and/or daughters of the original TMNT.

This is exactly what I was going to post. And that also fits the current pop culture operating model.

My bet is that this will be a sequel to the 1987 series. Nostalgia is the only thing they know that can work.

That would be very interesting. But I don't buy it.

CyberCubed

12-14-2020, 12:15 PM

My bet is that this will be a sequel to the 1987 series. Nostalgia is the only thing they know that can work.

I don't really see that as too likely. Despite multiple crossovers the show itself coming back is a huge undertaking, and the VA's for the original Turtles are pretty old now and besides maybe Rob Paulsen and Cam Clarke probably wouldn't work on a new series full time.

As seen with Nick's shows with 2012 and Rise, they clearly want to create their own universes rather than continuing the original cartoon.

IF it's a continuation of something old, the 2012 show is all I can see being revisited. And even then that's a big if. Technically when we hit 2022 the show will be in its 10th anniversary, so all the kids who grew up with it will have nostalgia for it.

sdp

12-14-2020, 12:36 PM

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

12-14-2020, 12:49 PM

Call me deeply cynical but the title sounds like a show about the teenage sons and/or daughters of the original TMNT.

Pretty sure I would fvcking hate that :tlol:

lonewarrior20

12-14-2020, 12:56 PM

i'm betting it's something like this.
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Vicky82

12-14-2020, 01:07 PM

Cool, so it could be a new show.

NinjaPug

12-14-2020, 01:28 PM

Doesn't exist until an announcement is made, dont' get excited. this hasn't been picked up by any site besides this free blogspot site and it hasn't even been picked up by the sites that use any rumor as "announcements". Many companies file trademarks to protect their IP so could just be a case of that since the source of the site seems to be legitimate.

Do sites typically report on trademarks? I know some Star Wars sites used to do that in past thinking it would be the name of a new movie but that’s all I’ve ever seen.

This seems legit if you look at the other trademarks for Viacom. All for future television shows some of which have been announced officially after they were registered.

CyberCubed

12-14-2020, 01:31 PM

"The Next Chapter" implies continuation. If this was a reboot it would be "The First Chapter" or "The Beginning."

I don't think Nick really wants to take another risk on another new TMNT cartoon after Rise didn't do well at all, so makes me think they want to revisit something that was successful. The only thing that comes to mind realistically is some sort of continuation of the 2012 series, but I don't know for sure.

The original cartoon won't get a new series (although more crossovers is likely), 2k3 won't be revisited, the old 90's movies are done, Mirage/Archie/IDW are comics so it wouldn't involve those...all that's left is 2012 and Rise...and Rise just ended so...

sdp

12-14-2020, 01:33 PM

Yeah it seems to be legitimate that they trademarked it, and yeah some sites do report on trademarks but it's not common since it usually leads to nothing, it's common for companies to register trademarks they have no intention of ever doing anything with them. I just wouldn't get excited, I can't remember a time when a trademark registration actually leaked something that happened.

I guess the soonest we could see something would be at Toyfair 2021 or however that's going to happen, if not then SDCC 2021. But honestly I think TMNT is on hiatus for the next couple of years. Which I'm ok with.

"The Next Chapter" implies continuation. If this was a reboot it would be "The First Chapter" or "The Beginning."

The original cartoon won't get a new series (although more crossovers is likely), 2k3 won't be revisited, the old 90's movies are done, Mirage/Archie/IDW are comics so it wouldn't involve those...all that's left is 2012 and Rise...and Rise just ended so...

The Next Mutation was billed and advertised as "what happens next for the TMNT" despite being a new continuity and not being specifically based as a sequel. I remember the ads of "now they're grown up" or "they aren't teenagers any more".

IndigoErth

12-14-2020, 01:49 PM

Very interesting, look forward to seeing more clues about what this might be.

Not sure what to think with that title. Sounds like a continuation as been mentioned, though on the other hand it could be a loosely generic, for lack of a better word, continuation based on the main TMNT concept that is just "next" because it delves into the adventures of a TMNT who have grown up. If an original series of its own, great. If a literal "next chapter" for 2012 with older TMNT, that's cool too, because that's what I'd been really wanting back when that one was ending. If it was a (decent) return of 2003 Turtles, I'd be ecstatic.

Making Rise and going younger didn't seem like that great of an idea from the get-go, and the exact opposite of what I had hoped for... and maybe they've finally did a 180 in that direction, realizing after all that the big money is with the fans who have an income.

Hope it's on tv, but if it ends up on streaming instead then I really hope it's available across a few of the most common services.

Though that title mostly made me think of Next Mutation. I hope not.

edit: The only thing that makes me doubt the possibly of 2012 continuation is because of the direction they took it. I know it was suggested that the Mutant Apocalypse episodes are just a possible figure and they have plenty of life left to tell about before those years, however it's hard to get past the part about the mutagen bomb that clearly happened while they were still young and split them up until they were reunited decades later in the Apocalypse eps.

More edit: Looked up the trademark search to see for myself that it's on there. Yup. Now will it happen or be something that falls through.... time will tell.

Allio

12-14-2020, 01:57 PM

More vague stuff how awesome.

Thanks for sharing nonetheless.

Basically how toku fans get when new trademarks appear.

Andrew NDB

12-14-2020, 02:21 PM

Yeah, if this is the next chapter, what was the last chapter?

Nothing good, I'd wager. Best case scenario of all the options I think they'd go for is maybe a "jump forward" continuation of the 2012 universe... but it probably won't be that. Probably some kind of murky Fred Wolf: The Next Generation, as others have surmised.

neatoman

12-14-2020, 02:29 PM

Well clearly the title can only imply an adaptation of 1001 Nights featuring TMNT characters, always leave the king with a cliffhanger.

sdp

12-14-2020, 02:39 PM

If it were for the 87 Toon then it would surely ignore all the Red Sky seasons.

Galactus

12-14-2020, 03:10 PM

I dunno. The fact that it's still called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles gives me the impression the characters will still be teenagers. Sure, Laird kept the title in Vol.4 when the characters were in their thirties but I can't imagine Nickelodeon doing that.

Maybe they are in their late teens and the show takes place after they'be defeated Shredder and the Foot and most of their major foes have been vanquished and there is a greater emphasis on new threats...although that was basically most of the Tales of the TMNT season of the 2012 show.

AquaParade

12-14-2020, 03:58 PM

I don't imagine this as a continuation of the original cartoon. There is nowhere to go and that brand of TMNT seems to serve it's purpose as a merchandising juggernaut among a certain demographic, without them propelling it.
It's not like there is a secret TMNT sauce there, it's just nostalgia.

"The Next Chapter", in my mind, implies a desire to move on past the typical origin and Foot clan story we have gone through so many times. "Rise..." attempted to circumvent this by taking place before all those shenanigans, which also allowed them to keep the turtles young. I have to wonder if they're going to try the opposite move this time, if this is indeed a cartoon, which we know they've been working on.

Still, it's hard not to notice the timing of this coinciding with massive "The Last Ronin" sales. It's nice to imagine they've finally green-lit something for older fans.

Leo656

12-14-2020, 04:14 PM

Y'know, it would be a bizarre choice but I wouldn't 100% rule out it being a reworked continuation of "Rise", picking up where it left off and so on.

I mean, thematically it would fit. We're done with the "Rise" and now on to "The Next Chapter".

I think odds are slim of that, truthfully, but I wouldn't 100% rule it out either. People did supposedly petition for a continuation/revival and stranger things have happened.

AquaParade

12-14-2020, 04:17 PM

I could see that. It seems odd for them to move on with a series that by all accounts seems to have failed, but thematically it kind of makes sense and there is the movie on the way.

Maybe it seemed wiser to restructure the current show than start from scratch.

Andrew NDB

12-14-2020, 04:21 PM

I don't think there would be a "The Next Chapter" if "Rise" had enjoyed a big success... so I think it's unlikely they'd throw good money after bad in that way, if the opposite.

MikeandRaph87

12-14-2020, 04:21 PM

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

12-14-2020, 04:30 PM

IndigoErth

12-14-2020, 04:32 PM

Roseangelo

12-14-2020, 05:06 PM

That's my guess, too. The Netflix Rise movie got a title.

The article details that it seems to be for a continuing series.

And that would be a terrible name for the Rise movie.

FredWolfLeonardo

12-14-2020, 05:06 PM

I hope that this is going to be continuation of the 2012 series, as there is still quite a bit of unresolved stuff from that show that can be shown.

That, and it seems much smarter to continue the more beloved 2012 series rather than Rise, since the latter just didn't manage to find an audience to keep it afloat for long.

sdp

12-14-2020, 05:12 PM

I hope that this is going to be continuation of the 2012 series, as there is still quite a bit of unresolved stuff from that show that can be shown.

Ciro would just write more horror homages.

Andrew NDB

12-14-2020, 05:19 PM

The article details that it seems to be for a continuing series.

And that would be a terrible name for the Rise movie.

And "The Next Chapter"? Was "Rise" even written in such a way that it had linear chapters, or anything like that?

CyberCubed

12-14-2020, 05:52 PM

My first thought is its the title of the Rise wrap up that is the straight to Netflix film. A place is already made for it on Netflix so it would fit. The series was not popular so a full on sequel series would not be wise after it was wrapped up quickly and quietly after a premature renewal. A full on series is hard to believe.

I doubt a Rise movie wouldn't have "Rise" in the title. If this is just a title of the Rise movie, it would have been "Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Next Chapter."

If it were for the 87 Toon then it would surely ignore all the Red Sky seasons.

I doubt it, they even used Lorg Dregg in the 2012 series. They just would have April in the yellow jump suit again I imagine.

Shark_Blade

12-14-2020, 06:54 PM

Ciro would just write more horror homages.Excellent then.

We’ve had slapstick humor with Rise (akin to current wacky Mickey Mouse cartoon), now back to horror like Courage the Cowardly Dog.

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sdp

12-14-2020, 07:08 PM

Nickelodeon Readies Next Chapter of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles With All-new CG-animated Theatrical Release Produced by Point Grey Pictures

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200630005800/en/Nickelodeon-Readies-Next-Chapter-of-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-With-All-new-CG-animated-Theatrical-Release-Produced-by-Point-Grey-Pictures

Coincidentally they sued the term Next Chapter for the CG movie

Powder

12-14-2020, 07:55 PM

Dunno what to make of this, but I won't get my hopes up for anything. It's probably nothing, anyway.

Allio

12-14-2020, 10:52 PM

"The Next Chapter" implies continuation. If this was a reboot it would be "The First Chapter" or "The Beginning."

Not really, could be just as vague as something as The Next chapter of the franchise, with Rise being the previous chapter.

It's kind of like how Ultraman a few years ago had gotten two trademarks as both were called "Ultraman for kids" and "Ultraman for adults." And all that turned out was Ultraman Orb and Ultraman Orb Origins which was an Amazon Prime exclusive.

Wildcat

12-14-2020, 11:14 PM

Well it’s nice to hear something new is coming. Sooner than we expected it seems. Unless it’s just referring to Seth’s movie...which is still new.

I would love, as mentioned already, if it was a series about the turtles being older. Not necessarily as a continuation of any of the old cartoons. Just a general progression of time.

Shark_Blade

12-15-2020, 01:41 AM

Wildcat

12-15-2020, 02:06 AM

What you think that’s a bad idea?

Portraying them in adulthood would make for interesting storylines. Shredder could be defeated and they have to deal with new threats. I know they already fight various other villains but the point is them growing up.

Maybe even reveal themselves in order to be part of society. I don’t think they’d want to live in the sewers or hidden forever.

The Turtle Terminator

12-15-2020, 09:21 AM

Would Nick/Viacom actually have the rights to produce new episodes specifically as part of the FW toon? Since the DVD distribution rights are at Lionsgate and not Nick, I’m not sure if Nick have full ownership rights, hence why official products (t-shirts etc) have different images/artstyle of the characters compared to the show itself

sdp

12-15-2020, 09:56 AM

Turtles Forever had them looking exactly on model with the show.
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Roseangelo

12-15-2020, 10:19 AM

Turtles Forever had them looking exactly on model with the show.

That's because they used the original model sheets used for the original cartoon. Which I happened to have available when I was asked about them by a 4Kids production person. Which is why my name ended up in the credits under Special Thanks. :tcool:

frank_one

12-15-2020, 10:38 AM

Which is why my name ended up in the credits under Special Thanks. :tcool:I didn't know it, congrats!

Cake-Monster85

12-15-2020, 11:06 AM

Is anyone else hoping that it might be a return to the 2012 TMNT show? I love that show.

Roseangelo

12-15-2020, 11:40 AM

Is anyone else hoping that it might be a return to the 2012 TMNT show? I love that show.

Someone on Facebook wondered if that would be a possibility, and I replied that it could be a possibility (along with many other possibilities), and a very vocal Rise fan went off on me on Twitter because I said that while also shooting down the idea that the new possible series is a continuation of Rise.

Cake-Monster85

12-15-2020, 11:47 AM

Someone on Facebook wondered if that would be a possibility, and I replied that it could be a possibility (along with many other possibilities), and a very vocal Rise fan went off on me on Twitter because I said that while also shooting down the idea that the new possible series is a continuation of Rise.

That is very interesting. Yeah, I'm a fan of the 2012 thing so I hope we get more of that. I think it's the best TMNT has ever been, maybe!

CyberCubed

12-15-2020, 12:01 PM

I do think the 2012 could be revisited with a set of standalone movies or specials. They have all the CG models still and Ciro has pitched numerous ideas since the show ended. And as said, we're about at the point where the kids who grew up with it will be really nostalgic for it...the show is actually almost 10 years old already!

80gmrp

12-15-2020, 12:05 PM

While I share Shark Blade's concern over how vague the article is, I also share the hope to a mild extent that it's a continuation of 2012 of some sort. What's certain is that we'll have to wait and see for more information, though.

Zulithe

12-15-2020, 12:43 PM

It's most likely a continuation of a previous TMNT iteration or an all-new show/reboot... but I'd like to think they want to do a show that takes the TMNT into the future, this is what other properties have done, some more successful than others, and allows them to move forward and tell different kinds of stories rather than yet again rehash the same tmnt stuff we've experienced many times over.

Why not a show set 30 years later (with the OG turtles having been 'teens' in the late 80s/early 90s) where we somehow have a new group of turtles (how this happens, your theory is as good as mine)

I know, many would find this idea repulsive, but many properties have done it with success. It can be a good way to mix the old with the new and please both sides of the fanbase if they do it well!

CyberCubed

12-15-2020, 12:46 PM

Fun fact: In the finale of the Nick series, during the flashbacks when they showed the Mutagen Bomb go off, it was already a timeskip showing the Turtles around 20 if I remember right (granted I could be off a little, its been awhile since I've seen it), and that's when the apocalypse happens.

It's quite possible it could be the 2012 Turtles around 18-20 or so, and involve some time travel shennanigans where one of the Turtles from the future (I assume bearded Raph since he was the main of that arc), comes back in time to prevent the mutagen bomb from going off and saving the future.

sdp

12-15-2020, 12:52 PM

And as said, we're about at the point where the kids who grew up with it will be really nostalgic for it...the show is actually almost 10 years old already!

lol no we're not, right now the kids who grew up with it are teenagers, they could care less about 2012, give it until 2030. We are just now reaching some 2k3 nostalgia from kids who grew up with it. 00's nostalgia is a thing that has just started.

CyberCubed

12-15-2020, 12:54 PM

lol no we're not, right now the kids who grew up with it are teenagers, they could care less about 2012, give it until 2030. We are just now reaching some 2k3 nostalgia from kids who grew up with it. 00's nostalgia is a thing that has just started.

Depends on the age. The show started in 2012. If they were 7-8 years old in 2012, they would be 17-18 in 2022.

I was 17 years old when the 2k3 series started in 2003. At that time our generation was highly nostalgic for the TMNT franchise due to the original cartoon, movies, toys, etc. It's about at the right time.

sdp

12-15-2020, 01:03 PM

people don't start to get nostalgic until after college, usually much later when they have jobs and disposable incomes

CyberCubed

12-15-2020, 01:10 PM

people don't start to get nostalgic until after college, usually much later when they have jobs and disposable incomes

I usually get nostalgic for shows 3-4 years after they end.

Autbot_Benz

12-15-2020, 01:12 PM

and a very vocal Rise fan went off on me on Twitter because I said that while also shooting down the idea that the new possible series is a continuation of Rise.

Rise fans on Twitter are super obnoxious. as someone who follows the official TMNT Twitter page they hijack every TMNT post even if it has nothing to do with Rise. One time they got really pissy on one post that was an anniversary post for 2012 but they didn't do one for rise.

sdp

12-15-2020, 01:14 PM

Rise fans on Twitter are super obnoxious. as someone who follows the official TMNT Twitter page they hijack every TMNT post even if it has nothing to do with Rise. One time they got really pissy on one post that was an anniversary post for 2012 but they didn't do one for rise.

To be fair 1987 and 2012 fans also hijacked every Rise post since it got announced.

CyberCubed

12-15-2020, 01:19 PM

All I see on the official TMNT twitter is people responding with meme images or about whatever is posted there.

Cake-Monster85

12-15-2020, 01:32 PM

Rise fans have to get defensive. If that's obnoxious, I'm sorry... but WE are the ones who constantly get attacked.

NinjaPug

12-15-2020, 01:35 PM

Rise fans on Twitter are super obnoxious. as someone who follows the official TMNT Twitter page they hijack every TMNT post even if it has nothing to do with Rise. One time they got really pissy on one post that was an anniversary post for 2012 but they didn't do one for rise.

This is true of every fanbase unfortunately. The Netflix accounts get bombarded constantly by multiple fanbases of shows that have been cancelled on every single post they make. Social media sucks.

Roseangelo

12-15-2020, 02:14 PM

Rise fans have to get defensive. If that's obnoxious, I'm sorry... but WE are the ones who constantly get attacked.

Someone not liking a show that you like isn't attacking you. It's possible to just like a thing while others don't. Other way around, too. I don't like Rise, and I take no issue with the fact that there are people who do. Enjoy the thing. It's cool.

Sumac

12-15-2020, 02:26 PM

Weird name. Implies continuation, but could be a marketing thing.
Not holding my hopes up, since 2k12 and Rise disappointed me, so dunno.

Cake-Monster85

12-15-2020, 02:27 PM

Someone not liking a show that you like isn't attacking you. It's possible to just like a thing while others don't. Other way around, too. I don't like Rise, and I take no issue with the fact that there are people who do. Enjoy the thing. It's cool.

not what i meant. there are literal verbal assaults @ Rise fans on Twitter and FB for simply voicing opinions. it has nothing to do with simply liking/disliking a show.

superstaff

12-15-2020, 02:48 PM

Rise fans have to get defensive. If that's obnoxious, I'm sorry... but WE are the ones who constantly get attacked.

Heh.

Not really. Rise Of fans are the ones who stir up trouble first, even worse than any other fans of TMNT stuff including the Platinum Dune movies, Next Mutation, 2012, 1987, etc etc.

I've had many of them call me a bigot because I dislike the show because "obviously" I hate it because April is black, even though I've never mentioned I had any sort of issue with April's skin color (or even April specifically, my issues are more with the rest of the cast).

sdp

12-15-2020, 02:59 PM

I'm starting to believe it's actually the next chapter of the next Mutation. The more I think about it the more it makes sense.

IndigoErth

12-15-2020, 03:05 PM

Hush, you. Don't give Nick any dumb ideas...in addition to their own they are perfectly capable of.

srmff

12-15-2020, 04:28 PM

Depends on the age. The show started in 2012. If they were 7-8 years old in 2012, they would be 17-18 in 2022.

I was 17 years old when the 2k3 series started in 2003. At that time our generation was highly nostalgic for the TMNT franchise due to the original cartoon, movies, toys, etc. It's about at the right time.

This was true for me as well. I was 5 when the 2003 show started and I was 8 when season 4 ended in 2006 which is when I enjoyed it most. I remember Fast Forward but I'm not sure if I made it a priority to see every episode. I can't really remember Back to the Sewers but I must have watched it so I would have been 12 when the entire show finished.

I started watching the 2012 show in 2014 (just so happened to be the 30 year anniversary) when I happened to see the Mousers Attack! episode when I would have been 16. I was immediately hooked. I didn't think that I'd like it but I was pleasantly surprised.

Heh.

Not really. Rise Of fans are the ones who stir up trouble first, even worse than any other fans of TMNT stuff including the Platinum Dune movies, Next Mutation, 2012, 1987, etc etc.

I have to agree and this is coming from someone who actually ended up enjoying the Rise show. I mainly see fans bashing the other shows. Likewise, I've never seen that with Platinum Dune (movies which I have no time for), 1987 fans, etc.

There is such obvious bias in some posts. For example one analysis of martial arts in each of the series is that the 1987 show is slapstick, 2003 rigidly adheres to realistic martial arts at all times (putting a negative spin on it), 2012 is a mixed bag with an attempt at realistic martial arts and traditional ninja techniques but are done poorly while Rise mixes real martial arts with over the top anime fighting and 70s/80s martial arts films with the conclusion that Rise is the most ninja out of all the series. What bothers me about that is that 2003 having realistic martial arts is presented as a negative yet Rise has the most ninja fighting style.

I've seen lots of examples of this. A lack of character developement is a criticism that I've seen before but I haven't seen any examples of how Rise did better. Splinter 2012 is called a jerk... when Rise Splinter was definitely a jerk in different situations.

Roseangelo

12-15-2020, 04:31 PM

Not really. Rise Of fans are the ones who stir up trouble first

This has been my general observation, as well.

Powder

12-15-2020, 04:31 PM

Rise bashers are much worse. Y'all tripping.

Cake-Monster85

12-15-2020, 04:44 PM

Rise bashers are much worse. Y'all tripping.

Exactly! My experience as well. It's a great show! And some people cant let Rise fans have our fun!

CyberCubed

12-15-2020, 05:40 PM

There's a TMNT fandom outside of these forums?

Cake-Monster85

12-15-2020, 05:43 PM

There's a TMNT fandom outside of these forums?

It's called social media, and I don't mess with that! It's full of retards, women, women retards, fans of all kinds of stupid **** and Godless people.

Cake-Monster85

12-15-2020, 05:44 PM

why are all of our curse words blanked out! That's lame!

Autbot_Benz

12-15-2020, 05:51 PM

It's called social media, and I don't mess with that! It's full of retards, women, women retards, fans of all kinds of stupid **** and Godless people.

seesh you must be fun at parties what do you have against women?

There's a TMNT fandom outside of these forums?

are you really that stupid cubed?

Musashi

12-15-2020, 05:54 PM

It's ********* *** ** ** *** *********, and ****** ***** ***, that's what it is.

Leo656

12-15-2020, 05:54 PM

why are all of our curse words blanked out! That's lame!

Because allegedly "kids come here".

There's zero proof of that, just like there's minimal proof that "kids" even still pay attention to TMNT in any large numbers since a few years ago already. But once upon a time some soccer mommy complained that we're all a bunch of heathens and thus we have to have a swear filter.

It's oxshit, but as you can see there's ways around it. :tgrin: neatoman is the expert on what words slip through the cracks. Me, I generally just * the vowels. Because f*ck Censorship in all its forms. See? Like that.

But yes, it's very silly that a forum that's 99% people over age 30 can't type swears because there's a 1% chance some kid is gonna come here to talk about TMNT instead of the Nick FB page. But again, it is what it is.

Musashi

12-15-2020, 05:57 PM

I'm starting to believe it's actually the next chapter of the next Mutation. The more I think about it the more it makes sense.

...Now I'll be disappointed if it's not this.

Cake-Monster85

12-15-2020, 06:01 PM

seesh you must be fun at parties what do you have against women?

are you really that stupid cubed?

Well, if the mother of my kids is any indication, they're all half-wits. They need men to show em what's up! That lady left me on my ass, took my house and costs me a fortune in child support. My life is literally a country song.

IndigoErth

12-15-2020, 06:19 PM

Leo656

12-15-2020, 06:23 PM

You're one'a the Good Ones, Indigo.

I mean, statistically, there's gotta be at least... what... 6? 7 "good ones"? :trazz:

You know we good, playa, we good. :tlol:

Cake-Monster85

12-15-2020, 06:31 PM

Good thing your ex isn't the spokesperson for all women then.

Hope you realize this fandom probably has roughly equal amount of female fans. Maybe reconsider coming blazing in here preaching all that.

Yeah, though half of them are probably like 20 now anyway. lol

I take it you're a woman then? I mean, I aint exactly against all women... just the ones that spurned me. I bet you're awful sexy tho, based upon your word choice and asertiveness. I actually like strong women. Just not crazy about the ones that arbitrarily decide to ruin lives of helpless men tryin' to do God's work and raise a family.

Cryomancer

12-15-2020, 06:36 PM

Well, if the mother of my kids is any indication, they're all half-wits. They need men to show em what's up! That lady left me on my ass, took my house and costs me a fortune in child support. My life is literally a country song.

seems like you caused these problems on your own

Cake-Monster85

12-15-2020, 06:38 PM

seems like you caused these problems on your own

Well, what in God's green grass gave you that idea? Why is it always the man's fault?

Leo656

12-15-2020, 06:38 PM

I bet you're awful sexy tho, based upon your word choice and asertiveness.

:teek::teek::teek::teek::teek:

https://pics.me.me/well-that-escalated-quickly-quick-meme-com-19310781.png

***I*** know what Indigo looks like. I'm special. :tgrin:

All I'm at liberty to say is that her hair is awesome.

Roseangelo

12-15-2020, 07:21 PM

Well, what in God's green grass gave you that idea? Why is it always the man's fault?

It has nothing to do with men vs. women. But just judging from your attitude here, this is a you problem.

IndigoErth

12-15-2020, 07:40 PM

https://pics.me.me/well-that-escalated-quickly-quick-meme-com-19310781.png
Yes, yes it did. :teek:

Don't hate me when I show up one day posting about cutting it up to the shoulder though. lol This "covid length" (officially down to the hip!) is getting real old. (But will prob wait and deal for now until masks aren't necessary.)

Leo656

12-15-2020, 07:57 PM

Hate? No, no... not you, not ever... but that'd be a bit disappointing, all the same. :ohwell:

Like, is that just gravity, or do you use hot oil, or what? Just curious. :lol:

IndigoErth

12-15-2020, 08:16 PM

Gravity and time, only product I use on it is shampoo.

Leo656

12-15-2020, 08:17 PM

Not even conditioner?!

I can't get mine that straight. You're a Warlock. I COMMAND YOU SHARE YOUR SECRETS WITH ME!!!

IndigoErth

12-15-2020, 08:35 PM

:lol: Rarely conditioner.

Page from the book of secrets:

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/dd/25/b5/dd25b5055844515d07b21d59dbfe355f--frizzy-hair-kinky-hair.jpg

Leo656

12-15-2020, 08:41 PM

I shampoo and condition every day and mine is always at least a little bit frizzy. :ohwell:

I know people say that's not necessary, but I have very oily hair and skin by nature and I cannot STAND feeling "greasy".

Cryomancer

12-15-2020, 09:36 PM

It has nothing to do with men vs. women. But just judging from your attitude here, this is a you problem.

exactly this

Shark_Blade

12-15-2020, 09:59 PM

I take it you're a woman then? I mean, I aint exactly against all women... just the ones that spurned me. I bet you're awful sexy tho, based upon your word choice and asertiveness. I actually like strong women. Just not crazy about the ones that arbitrarily decide to ruin lives of helpless men tryin' to do God's work and raise a family.

Is that sexual harassment or just creepy? :teek:

LeotheLateBloomer

12-16-2020, 02:12 AM

Is that sexual harassment or just creepy? :teek:

I'd say both.:lol:

Allio

12-16-2020, 03:31 AM

Is that sexual harassment or just creepy? :teek:

It’s creexual pyrassment

srmff

12-16-2020, 07:39 AM

He seems to be really underestimate the number of women that like TMNT. Sorry but TMNT and the Technodrome isn't a men only zone.

CyberCubed

12-16-2020, 08:21 AM

Can we get back on topic instead of talking about banned users?

superstaff

12-16-2020, 08:25 AM

Can we get back on topic instead of talking about banned users?

Yes, please.

Zachatello00

12-16-2020, 09:43 AM

superstaff

12-16-2020, 12:05 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the TMNT 2007 movie basically a "next chapter" of Turtles? It didn't connect to a specific universe, but it was made clear that the turtles had shredded the Shredder, toppled tricertons, mixed it up with some mousers, and the whole Casey/April relationship was far enough along to make me think this was well into the turtle's lives, without having to be tied to a specific "turtlesverse". Maybe that's what this new toon will do?

My spouse made that exact observation. He thinks it will be a 'Next Chapter' in the way TMNT 2007 was.

Though people did not really warm up to that approach. I still remember most of the reviews being people complaining there was no Shredder, Kraang, Bebop, Rocksteady, etc.

CyberCubed

12-16-2020, 12:19 PM

Which is why it does feel like this title implies a continuation of a past continuity, but as I said before, nothing really make sense for Nick to revisit in a TV series other than possibly the 2012 cartoon. I wonder if it's because after Rise didn't catch on with kids, the toys bombed, and the show got canceled after a season and a half (remember the second season even had its episode order reduced to 13 eps instead of 26), it "scared" Nick into realizing they can't take risks on the property. Since they already know the 2012 series was very successful, it's a "safe" bet if they want to revive it.

Only other possibility is some kind of revival for the original cartoon, but that's too much a stretch for me. While all the voice actors are available I can't see them making a whole series, and Nick seems to want to create their own incarnations of the Turtles.

Also Nick is batting 2 for 4 so far. Out of the new incarnations since the Viacom sale, only two were success and two were not:

IDW and Nick 2012 series = success, IDW is still going

Platinum Dunes Movies and Rise = failed, the movies bombed and were canceled in favor of a new reboot, and Rise of course ended early.

Roseangelo

12-16-2020, 12:50 PM

IDW and Nick 2012 series = success, IDW is still going

Nick doesn't have anything to do with the IDW series being good, so I wouldn't give them that credit. They gave someone permission to make comics and we are damn lucky the right people got involved.

I can handle Rise being meh, but I can't forgive Nick at all for how terrible those movies were.

Zachatello00

12-16-2020, 12:53 PM

it "scared" Nick into realizing they can't take risks on the property.

Which is a sad thing, really. I mean, do we really want reboots of the same thing every few years? Eventually we're going to have to get comfortable with the idea of something new or this thing is going to get stale quickly.

Having said that, I'm not sure that I think "Rise" was the best route to go. I'd rather see stories push the characters to new heights as opposed to just tweaking characters and making arbitrary changes for change's sake.

That's part of what made TMNT 2k7 so much fun for me. I know it wasn't the most widely enjoyed film, but I thought it was neat to see how the turtles had "moved on" from their childhood, but how they could still be "brought back together" when the situation called for it.

It reminds me of when I, as an adult, go home for Thanksgiving or something. On the one hand, I'm adult with children of my own now and I play a very different role in my family. On the other hand, it's funny how quickly I slide back into the role I played when I was growing up.

At the end of the day, I suppose what's most important for me about the turtles is that they work together, they're brothers, etc. And "Rise" didn't change that aspect. So, I suppose I should recognize that. Not that I'm a "Rise" hater, but it's far from my favorite.

Vegita-San

12-16-2020, 12:56 PM

and there in lies the problem.

Franchises can only really be one thing...and a few variations of one thing, before they become totally un recognizable.

Star Trek Enterprise may have been the last true real variation. after that, all we get are the picards, and discoveries, and lower deck variants.

TMNT has reached this point. if you go all the way out there, you get the TMNT summer shorts. some good, some horrible. some can't even be called TMNT. But the good will always have some of the core elements in there.
and that is where the repeats come in....and the core of the problem.

you can only reboot something so much before even the reboot is the same old thing.

AquaParade

12-16-2020, 12:58 PM

Man, I wish I could be a valued consultant for TMNT over at Nickelodeon. Not saying I'm qualified as anything more than a (smart) fan, but it'd be fun. It must be so strange for Kevin Eastman to wander into those halls and give his advice on what TMNT should be. Not that I'd throw a pity party for him, by any means, but it must be weird.

The Turtle Terminator

12-16-2020, 01:44 PM

Which is a sad thing, really. I mean, do we really want reboots of the same thing every few years? Eventually we're going to have to get comfortable with the idea of something new or this thing is going to get stale quickly.

Having said that, by the law of averages, with multiple different incarnations of varying quality, surely something good can come out of that, although it might take a loooooonnnnnnggggggg time

Zachatello00

12-16-2020, 01:49 PM

Yeah, your thought reminds me of the infinite universes theory. Where infinite reboots exist, one of them is bound to be good, right?

Andrew NDB

12-16-2020, 02:27 PM

He seems to be really underestimate the number of women that like TMNT. Sorry but TMNT and the Technodrome isn't a men only zone.

There are probably way more female fans of TMNT than male. There always has been.

Leo656

12-16-2020, 02:29 PM

Naaaaaaah. Really? I have a hard time believing that. Quite a few, sure, but more than the guys? Huh. I'unno about that one.

superstaff

12-16-2020, 02:53 PM

There are probably way more female fans of TMNT than male. There always has been.

Eh...

As a female fan myself, I've seen way more guys into it than girls.

Most of the female fans I knew back when I was in my TMNT fandom peak in the mid-2000s, were into the 2003 cartoon, knew nothing of the comics or any of the other shows or movies, and mostly liked the romance aspects like various ships. I never really knew any other girls who were as deep into the franchise as I was.

Not sure if things changed with 2012's fandom. I only dabbled in it very briefly.

Roseangelo

12-16-2020, 02:56 PM

Naaaaaaah. Really? I have a hard time believing that. Quite a few, sure, but more than the guys? Huh. I'unno about that one.

It depends on what circles you interact with. My experience among the comic book and toy collectors, as in people who are active within groups that focus on these things, is that they are heavily, HEAVILY male dominated.

However, on the broader scope of people who just enjoy the adventures of these characters, definitely at least 50/50 male/female, with a probable slight lean toward female.

sdp

12-16-2020, 03:02 PM

Are the girls/women buying merch and licensed material , if not they don't matter.

Edit:in the context of a show being made for them

Leo656

12-16-2020, 03:06 PM

Most of the female fans I knew back when I was in my TMNT fandom peak in the mid-2000s, were into the 2003 cartoon, knew nothing of the comics or any of the other shows or movies, and mostly liked the romance aspects like various ships.

Anecdotal, but that was mostly my experience as well. With the 4Kids show also getting a lot of female attention because "The Turtles are hot now!" and so on.

It depends on what circles you interact with. My experience among the comic book and toy collectors, as in people who are active within groups that focus on these things, is that they are heavily, HEAVILY male dominated.

However, on the broader scope of people who just enjoy the adventures of these characters, definitely at least 50/50 male/female, with a probable slight lean toward female.

I guess that makes sense, or at least that it'd be "kinda even". I mean I've always been aware that it's had a large female fanbase - for various reasons - but the idea that the girls outnumber the guys seems suspect to me.

I mean, I'm definitely of an older mindset, but every single thing about TMNT is generally rooted in things that appeal to little boys more than anyone else. So while I can definitely believe there's a lot of female fans, the idea of there being a lot more than guys just feels "off" to me.

It's like a lot of girls like wrestling, too. And I'm always like "Why? You're supposed to be smarter than that!" :lol: But a lot of them do. More than guys? Probably not, but I'unno. If so, that'd be weird, to me. It definitely wasn't "made for them", just like TMNT wasn't "made for them". So it's kinda weird that so many of them like those things.

Of course, I'm a grown man who just watched two hours of My Little Pony on Discovery Family so I guess I really shouldn't be surprised by anything at all. :lol:

Roseangelo

12-16-2020, 03:13 PM

It sounds like you need to stop thinking of interests as being made for a specific gender.

And yes, the companies to make content could stand to stop targeting genders as well, but as consumers of content there's no reason to get hung up on who something is made for. If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't.

IndigoErth

12-16-2020, 03:19 PM

Are the girls/women buying merch and licensed material , if not they don't matter.

Edit:in the context of a show being made for them
Make it a good show with good looking merchandise I can't resist and I certainly will. :D

Anyone who walked into this room I'm sitting in and took one quick look around would immediately know what I'm a fan of and who most within that franchise. lol

CyberCubed

12-16-2020, 05:07 PM

The Nick 2012 show had a active female following due to the Turtles looking more cute than usual, the anime aspects, or ships with April, Karai, etc. Plus the spread of social media and the internet now.

When 2k3 was airing most of the female fans just seemed to be the same old-school fans who grew up with the original cartoon, I don't recall many of them claiming the 4kids series was their first exposure to TMNT.

srmff

12-16-2020, 05:08 PM

Growing up, my brother and I watched all the same shows and movies together. He'd watch the stereotypical female targeted shows with me like Barbie, Disney princesses, My Little Pony, etc. while I'd also watch the action cartoons, movies, etc. with him that are generally targeted towards boys rather than girls like TMNT, Yu-Gi-Oh! (we played the card game together and still both play on the app and with physical cards that he collects), Lord of the Rings, X-Men, Transformers, Digimon, etc.

The same situation applied to our toys. I liked to view it as a Shrek sort of universe where lots of different stories came together. We had Snow White's Kingdom and other characters like Barbie Anneliese, Erica and Dominick (who was a bigamist because they decided to make Julian and Dominick a 2-in-1 doll and I was not going to keep changing his clothes), Aladdin, Jasmine, the Bratz, Shrek, the Shredder, Marik, Yami Yugi, Gaia the Dragon Champion, various dragons, Digimon and various others. We'd often have random wars break out. The rule was that no character could die once they were inside the boundaries of the kingdom (the room) so we could happily have a massacre with them all back to life once the war ended. We played with the Lord of the Rings and Star Wars action figures separately since they were too small. It still amuses me how much we changed some of their personalities just because the toy version of the character would have a dopey look on their face (Aladdin) or look a bit evil (Snow White).

I'm not big into merchandise. However, all my brother bought was the Shredder action figure and a sticker book. I've bought 5 DVDs from the 1987 show, all the seasons of the 2012 show, the Ultimate Visual History book and The Art of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles book so I've bought more than my brother anyway. I'd like to get a ninja turtle action figure sometime. I imagine that the only reason that my brother didn't buy one when he was younger was that they didn't look very good as action figures at the time.

When I was in school, most girls wouldn't have watched Yu-Gi-Oh!, TMNT, etc. but the ones who did all had older brothers as far as I know. For some reason though, all the girls the class ahead of me all seemed to be very into Yu-Gi-Oh! with them bringing their cards to school and trading them. It was an all-girl school so it wasn't due to the influence of male classmates. It completely by-passed my class bar a few.

superstaff

12-16-2020, 05:14 PM

Are the girls/women buying merch and licensed material , if not they don't matter.

Edit:in the context of a show being made for them

Can't speak for other girls/women, but I've bought tons of figures, accessories, comics, DVDs, etc. I'm currently into TMNT, so I am buying more turtle merch than normal. I raided various Party Citys recently, trying to buy 2012 TMNT merch.

The Nick 2012 show had a active female following due to the Turtles looking more cute than usual, the anime aspects, or ships with April, Karai, etc. Plus the spread of social media and the internet now.

I figured.

When 2k3 was airing most of the female fans just seemed to be the same old-school fans who grew up with the original cartoon, I don't recall many of them claiming the 4kids series was their first exposure to TMNT.

From my experience, a lot of them were mildly acquainted with the 80s series, but allege that what got them into TMNT was 2003. Though, eh. Like, I was a part of a roleplaying game with other female fans, and I'd try to talk about the current arcs in 2003 TMNT, and they'd kind of...steer away from talking about that, and would mostly want to talk about how (insert turtle) was hot, and whatever pairings they liked. They didn't seem very interested in discussing the actual show most of the time.

Powder

12-16-2020, 05:49 PM

From my experience, a lot of them were mildly acquainted with the 80s series, but allege that what got them into TMNT was 2003. Though, eh. Like, I was a part of a roleplaying game with other female fans, and I'd try to talk about the current arcs in 2003 TMNT, and they'd kind of...steer away from talking about that, and would mostly want to talk about how (insert turtle) was hot, and whatever pairings they liked. They didn't seem very interested in discussing the actual show most of the time.

The bulk of the female fanbase, for almost any iteration, seems to be like this. I know it's absolutely an obnoxious boys club, like many things, which makes it less accessible to take part in, but seriously, this is sooo prevalent. Happens with guys in female aimed or female character dominant properties, too, I'm not trying to make a subtle commentary or something.

The early days of internet fandom speak especially strong to this. I remember being online in the 90's & early 2000's, the amount of women peddling erotic fan-fics & roleplays, or just having general locker room talk about the turtles was overwhelming & put me off joining in any communities for maaad years. Even here, though it was better moderated, of course. More fluff than snuff.

In my experience, the women who actively collect merch or seek turtle talent at cons, are not like that. Obviously, there are plenty of real fans among ladies everywhere! But there's real thirst out there. :teek:

CyberCubed

12-16-2020, 05:54 PM

I think it's so weird to look for shipping in the TMNT franchise. Other than the obvious April/Casey (which is usually kinda boring IMO in most versions), there's not much to say. Females shipping the Turtles with each other is just the same toxic nonsense males are accused of doing with females in other shows, but at least said females are humans.

IndigoErth

12-16-2020, 06:20 PM

but at least said females are humans.
Uh huh... pretty sure I recall more than one discussion here about a certain Thundercat, for example.

Some guys just don't seem to like it when girls do it too. lol I mean, I get it, most male fans aren't going to see what some female fans do and it prob makes most of ya uncomfortable to hear it, but can't really stop women from being women and seeing male characters like that sometimes, human or not.

edit: I almost kind of wish PD had brought back Venus, because knowing Bay they'd have tried to make her attractive, and it would have been kind of funny to see how uncomfortable some male viewers are with that... lol

sdp

12-16-2020, 07:04 PM

I misread the discussion and though it was about tmnt not being targeted to girls, but it was more because some troll account so my post made no sense. What I thought the discussion was "how come they don't target to girls". Women can enjoy anything but there's data on who buys things and they cater to those since anything else means they might lose their jobs. Girls can like whatever they want and I welcome female fans in fandoms, but I agree most girl fans do tend to be the "shipping" variety which aren't the best but whatever.

Leo656

12-16-2020, 09:00 PM

Uh huh... pretty sure I recall more than one discussion here about a certain Thundercat, for example.

Cheetara... Pumyra... can't really go wrong with either one, says I. :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

Brings a whole new visual to mind when one hears the phrase "cat bath". "Meow", indeed.

CyberCubed

12-17-2020, 08:21 AM

superstaff

12-17-2020, 08:50 AM

I just remembered this short from a few years ago, imagine if they made a series off of this concept:

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^ This had great animation, but I don't like the idea of humans being main characters.

I remember hating that while I was watching it, but then it gets to the end, and I was like, "OHHH! Okay! That was cute."

I think, if they ever did a TMNT series set in the future, I'd like to be similar to this, except maybe have some mutants mixed in with the humans.

Problem is, at that point, it's not really Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles anymore, is it? It's a whole different entity, even if one of the TMNT is still present.

Sumac

12-17-2020, 09:48 AM

superstaff

12-17-2020, 10:18 AM

I'll play a Scarlet Witch for this and say: "No more mutants".

If there is an aspect of TMNT, which, IMO, should be excluded from future incarnations, is an abundance of mutants. Just keep TMNT and maybe occasional random mutant here and there, but no "mutant of the week" or "mutant town" nonsense. That just cheapens TMNT existence and quickly devolves "funny cartoon animals thing".

On one hand, I agree. I like the idea of them just being 'freaks' in a cruel world with ruthless ninjas and other dangers around them. One of the worst aspects of the 2012 series was its 'mutation fetish'. Look, I loved 2012 TMNT, but they overdid it on the mutants and freaks (Casey was one of the few relevant humans in the entire series).

On the other hand, I do like some of the mutants and weirdness. This is also something the toy companies (ie Playmates) wants, so they can sell more merch.

I think a balance needs to be struck, and they try a 'best of both worlds' approach.

Zachatello00

12-17-2020, 10:23 AM

no "mutant of the week" or "mutant town" nonsense. That just cheapens TMNT existence and quickly devolves "funny cartoon animals thing".

This, all day long. It's fun when you have a few storylines here and there where the turtles can walk around and be themselves, like the turtles in space arc, or something like that, but for the most part, yeah, keep that stuff to a minimum.

sdp

12-17-2020, 01:05 PM

I found some information !

Inspired by the best selling TMNT comic by IDW we bring you TMNT The next chapter. A new 2D traditionally animated series based off the wildly popular comic book.

We all know the story of the turtles but not what happens next after the shredder is defeated! Mutagen has gotten everywhere and they're all restricted to a city called Mutant Town where they are discriminated against.

We are very excited to announce this new show based on the fan favorite arc as it will deal with all the contemporary issues society is facing and educate on what is expected from today so everyone no matter gender, race or species can feel safe!

CyberCubed

12-17-2020, 01:09 PM

Kek, I know that's a joke

Vegita-San

12-17-2020, 01:15 PM

good god I hope that's a joke. just what we need. SJW tmnt.

CyberCubed

12-17-2020, 01:32 PM

good god I hope that's a joke. just what we need. SJW tmnt.

That's IDW TMNT's current story arc, so it is going on.

Zachatello00

12-17-2020, 01:53 PM

what's the source of the info? I can't find that anywhere...

sdp

12-17-2020, 02:14 PM

Source: bro, trust me

Zachatello00

12-17-2020, 02:20 PM

Source: bro, trust me

As a fellow 15+ year member of the 'drome, I want to, but as someone who's not excited about that concept/description, I don't want to...

although, it could be worse.

Vegita-San

12-17-2020, 02:22 PM

IDW, yes. 2D, yes.

'current real world issues?' 'feel safe'?

gaaaaahh.......

sdp

12-17-2020, 02:22 PM

Well i thought it was an obvious joke but I guess you never know now :lol:

Vegita-San

12-17-2020, 03:05 PM

bingo. anything crazy is possible, specially this year :).

Andrew NDB

12-17-2020, 03:07 PM

I found some information !

Oh, that can die in a fire.

Sumac

12-17-2020, 03:52 PM

On one hand, I agree. I like the idea of them just being 'freaks' in a cruel world with ruthless ninjas and other dangers around them. One of the worst aspects of the 2012 series was its 'mutation fetish'. Look, I loved 2012 TMNT, but they overdid it on the mutants and freaks (Casey was one of the few relevant humans in the entire series).

On the other hand, I do like some of the mutants and weirdness. This is also something the toy companies (ie Playmates) wants, so they can sell more merch.
I think, weirdness can be achieved via different means, like aliens, robots, whatever. TMNT'verse is big and bountiful, you can find everything and a kitchen sink there, so I think, it is not necessary to evoke (a lot of) mutants at all.

Just keep the most famous ones around: B&R, Leatherhead (if he is a mutant), Slash, maybe Rahzar and Tokka, Baxter, if necessary.

Musashi

12-17-2020, 03:52 PM

Well... The execution might be so massively better than the concept that it ends up OK, but my knee-jerk reaction is... Well, see directly above. That.

Hopefully, no one has suddenly posted something like "I like rainbows...! Squuueee!"

Edit: Not quite. :) I meant Andrew's post. That.

superstaff

12-17-2020, 03:55 PM

Kek, I know that's a joke

:lol::lol::lol:

CyberCubed

12-17-2020, 05:56 PM

Next thing you know they will introduce a female Turtle who was previously a human ninja who had a crush on Casey Jones and now she's a lesbian with a female pig mutant!

Imagine if that happened?

Torterra

12-17-2020, 06:52 PM

I mean it could be possible that it's a continuation of a previous series. I could see it POSSIBLE maybe it being the sequel series to Rise. It makes sense with the name not mention previous incarnations did have name changes but still follow the same version of the characters case in point there was the TMNT 2003 series then TMNT: Fast Forward, then TMNT: Back to the Sewers. Different names for each but still follows the 2003 version of turtles and characters.

CyberCubed

12-19-2020, 04:02 PM

Considering they killed off Rise early (they shortened the second season by half), it's unlikely to be a continuation of it. If Rise was successful with kids it likely would have gotten at least a 5-year run like the 2012 show did.

IndigoErth

12-26-2020, 05:00 PM

Didn't see it in the thread after a quick glance (apologies if I just missed it), so just dropping this link in here.

https://uspto.report/TM/90367277

The page looks to have a timeline for the trademark process, including mention that the "application will be assigned to an examining attorney approximately 3 months after filing date." So might not be any updates to that until at least March? If the process is that slow, then I guess that might rule out the Netflix Rise movie.

Also a couple viewable document files attached to the page, one an image that's presumably the basic text stand-in for a future logo. The other document looks to be the application data.

Coola Yagami

12-26-2020, 07:23 PM

NinjaPug

02-24-2021, 01:32 PM

Viacom is having their big investor presentation this afternoon to go over Paramount Plus - similar to what Disney had in December. It’s possible, although probably unlikely, we could learn more about this Next Chapter show.

shredder orokusaki

02-24-2021, 02:57 PM

I told you it is the next series that will start this year. The 2018 series started one year after 2012 ended and the same is happening now with the next series starting one year after rise of tmnt ended.

IndigoErth

02-24-2021, 04:35 PM

I dearly hope they don't turn around and trap a new show on a streaming service and limit its audience like that...

TigerClaw

02-24-2021, 04:37 PM

Looks like you can watch Rise on Paramount+. a lot of the stuff from Nickelodeon will be on the streaming service.
https://twitter.com/paramountplus/status/1364717469399711747

shredder orokusaki

02-25-2021, 10:37 AM

I dearly hope they don't turn around and trap a new show on a streaming service and limit its audience like that...

people are becoming angry with disney+ neftlix hbo e.t.c soon they will all fail because most people will not want to pay for 3 or 4 channels monhtly just to watch 2 or 3 series.

sdp

02-25-2021, 11:41 AM

people are becoming angry with disney+ neftlix hbo e.t.c soon they will all fail because most people will not want to pay for 3 or 4 channels monhtly just to watch 2 or 3 series.

itll be interesting to see what the industry will be like netflix isn't going anywhere anytime soon, hbo has inflated numbers with their free services, prime video only exists because of the shipping benefits and that helps it be number 3. Disney+ has a lot of power behind it and a lot of money spent, unsure if the other ones will ever be profitable. AT&T has a lot going on HBO Max but I dunno. It'd be a shame if people embrace it and then we all have 7 streaming services but i'm confident that won't happen

AquaParade

02-25-2021, 12:09 PM

We look to be heading back to the time of buying packages, like we did with cable, but at least the budgets are bigger and we can choose when and what to watch now.

CyberCubed

02-25-2021, 01:35 PM

And I'll continue to spend $0 and subscribe to none of them.

Roseangelo

02-25-2021, 07:03 PM

Ok, so put the Rise series on Paramount+ but the Rise movie on Netflix. That makes sense.

I only pay for Netflix, Disney+, and Amazon Prime. If it's on anything else I don't need it.

Jester

02-25-2021, 07:19 PM

I only pay for Netflix, Disney+, and Amazon Prime. If it's on anything else I don't need it.
Same here...sorta.
1st was Netflix back when it was about the only game in town.
Then it was Amazon Prime, but that was for shipping first. Prime Video was a bonus.
Disney+ was a given as a father of 2 kids under 10. (I bundled it with Hulu, though)

CyberCubed

02-26-2021, 12:28 PM

AquaParade

02-26-2021, 12:42 PM

So I guess nothing came from this then, right? Viacom announced a bunch of new projects like a whole new Avatar franchise being spawned into multiple shows, a Rugrats reboot, Star Trek cartoons, etc....but nothing TMNT was announced.

I figured they'd wait a while before making another cartoon after Rise bombed, so other than the animated movie I don't think we'll get anything for awhile.

Here's a "hail mary" for you:

They had something brewing, specifically for this, but scrapped it and began rework, after the success of The Last Ronin #1. They realized that they have all bases covered when it comes to children, and a live-action series aimed at older fans is now in development.

IndigoErth

02-26-2021, 12:45 PM

Come on... don't be getting my hopes up.

LeotheLateBloomer

02-26-2021, 03:11 PM

I figured they'd wait a while before making another cartoon after Rise bombed, so other than the animated movie I don't think we'll get anything for awhile.

I'm fine with this.

Coola Yagami

02-26-2021, 09:33 PM

Maybe it'll be a cartoon about the turtles waking up and noticing they have nostrils now. At the same time some dude named Eric Sachs wants to take over where Shredder left off, power vacuum and all that.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-26-2021, 10:15 PM

Sumac

02-26-2021, 10:37 PM

I wouldn't put my hopes up that execs will see TMNT as anything, but series for kids.

superstaff

02-27-2021, 07:11 AM

Here's a "hail mary" for you:

They had something brewing, specifically for this, but scrapped it and began rework, after the success of The Last Ronin #1. They realized that they have all bases covered when it comes to children, and a live-action series aimed at older fans is now in development.

Eh?

Source, or is this just wishful thinking?

Also, it's possible they are still holding on this trademark, and are still working on whatever this is supposed to be.

AquaParade

02-27-2021, 10:24 AM

IndigoErth

02-27-2021, 10:52 AM

Maybe it'll be a cartoon about the turtles waking up and noticing they have nostrils now.
Although knowing Nick... that is a Nick Jr. show for toddlers, the Turtles are themselves young children, and the general premise is that mutation is slow and each ep will focus on learning about a body part. One will indeed be about them waking up and realizing they have nostrils.

shredder orokusaki

02-27-2021, 01:06 PM

The 2003 series is the closest thing to last ronin and IDW. So the success of Last ronin showed what we all say that something like Rise of TMNT will never be succesful but it must be something at least as serious as 2003 or better/more violent to be succesful. So the next series either will be based on IDW or will be something like 2003 . If it is again like rise or even 1987 series it will faill.

mrmaczaps

02-28-2021, 04:36 AM

100% wishful thinking.

But I do think the success of The Last Ronin will payoff in some other way for fans. Whether that's an animated movie (not my first choice) or just a couple valves released when it comes to Nickelodeon censorship overall, with the movies or cartoons. Money talks.

We can always hope that sales for Last Ronin being as fantastic as they are will wake Nick/IDW up enough to either go darker with the ongoing or to start a new series in the darker vein & let the old series die the slow horrible antagonizing death it currently seems to be 14 issues after the 100 milestone.... I want to see something darker, more Mirage level gritty for sure...

But are they smart enough to see what fans want? :lol:

Coola Yagami

03-02-2021, 09:41 AM

We can always hope that sales for Last Ronin being as fantastic as they are will wake Nick/IDW up enough to either go darker with the ongoing or to start a new series in the darker vein & let the old series die the slow horrible antagonizing death it currently seems to be 14 issues after the 100 milestone.... I want to see something darker, more Mirage level gritty for sure...

But are they smart enough to see what fans want? :lol:
Not as long as the execs think the fans want pizza, cowabunga, Bebop and Rocksteady.

AquaParade

03-02-2021, 10:07 AM

Not as long as the execs think the fans want pizza, cowabunga, Bebop and Rocksteady.

This is sort of circular though. The idea is that The Last Ronin proves otherwise. The execs only care about what the fans spend money on, and this is the biggest splash "adult TMNT" has made in decades.

sdp

03-02-2021, 11:44 AM

fans want pizza, cowabunga, Bebop and Rocksteady, just look at social media and youtube.

AquaParade

03-02-2021, 12:17 PM

fans want pizza, cowabunga, Bebop and Rocksteady, just look at social media and youtube.

That part is established. What is new is The Last Ronin being the highest printed comic IDW has ever produced, while making a big splash outside the immediate TMNT bubble. I'm sure Nick even saw a slight uptick in TMNT movie dvd sales and such over the last couple months, because it brought the franchise back into the spotlight for a lot of lapsed fans. Social media is great, but what they really care about is what sells.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I feel like your post is missing the point.

sdp

03-02-2021, 06:46 PM

I don't think 130,000 copies printed in a dying medium is enough for viacom to care. Two decades back copies that sold that much were cancelled on the spot for being failures.

CyberCubed

03-02-2021, 09:22 PM

Your average fan is never going to know what, "The Ronin" is.

They'll think you're talking about some Japanese samurai movie or Usagi Yojimbo.

AquaParade

03-02-2021, 11:55 PM

I don't think 130,000 copies printed in a dying medium is enough for viacom to care. Two decades back copies that sold that much were cancelled on the spot for being failures.

You're focusing too much on the medium. The message is "wow, people really like adult TMNT" whether the medium is dying or not.
On the contrary - the more books you sell in a dying medium, the more impressive the feat, no?

They don't need to re-ignite the comic book industry for the book to prove a point. They just need to outsell the "kiddie"version of TMNT, which they have. Then the question becomes "Does this version outsell the kiddie version in the movie, and television series, etc too?"

Even if it generally sticks to the comics, there will certainly be more of its type, which is a step in the right direction. Less censored TMNT comics would be a sweet victory.

I wouldn't discount the success of the book though, just because the industry it is in is not in it's prime. Judge it according to other comic books today, not Jim Lee's X-Men #1 of the 90's. "Three Jokers" was also a big success, sales wise, last year. No one is comparing that to comic sales from two decades ago and claiming Joker actually isn't that popular, because those sales are just a drop in the bucket compared to the 90's, y'know?

Also keep in mind that this was a comic book sold at more than double the typical price. So yeah, more expensive to produce, but it's raking in a ton of money.

Your average fan is never going to know what, "The Ronin" is.

They'll think you're talking about some Japanese samurai movie or Usagi Yojimbo.

Sure. Probably not. Unless they make a movie. Mostly irrelevant to the point though. "Ronin" doesn't need to be a thing to casual fans for the point to be valid.

TigerClaw

03-03-2021, 04:44 AM

With the success of the Last Ronin. That is something I could see adapted as an animated movie, In much the same way they adapted Batman vs TMNT.

Cyndaquilfan123

03-03-2021, 09:09 AM

Your average fan is never going to know what, "The Ronin" is.

They'll think you're talking about some Japanese samurai movie or Usagi Yojimbo.

Even then, Most people don't even know who Usagi is.

Leo656

03-03-2021, 03:57 PM

Aqua: Just a friendly reminder that you're arguing semantics with a sh*tposting troll who swears that "internet consensus" is the Be-All and End-All for every single thing.

He's got the inside scoop and is always right, don'tcha know. That's why not one single person on planet Earth has bought a DVD since 2008, why every cable and satellite service provider went out of business in 2012, why games have been digital-only for about ten years and why the entire print comics industry went belly-up the moment people realized that they could read tiny comics pages on their cell phone for free.

He knows what's best for everyone, and he's way ahead of the curve. That's why everyone always agrees with him and finds him so f*cking charming.

Autbot_Benz

03-03-2021, 07:23 PM

Prowler

03-03-2021, 07:45 PM

Sdp is known for being a bad listener. Arguing with him is pointless.

Allio

03-03-2021, 09:10 PM

Should just call this Shin TMNT and be done with it.

IndigoErth

03-03-2021, 09:27 PM

Hurry up with some kind of info leak/reveal, Nick, the people are getting testy with nothing to talk about.

ZariusTwo

03-04-2021, 12:02 PM

The movie is loved by fans and did well at the box office

It's sequel was the one that sucked

sdp

03-04-2021, 12:16 PM

Yes, we're getting a rated R TMNT movie, Physical media will again overtake digital starting this year and type writers will be replacing computers at jobs because of people watching Netflix at 2.5 x speed all because Wonder Woman did well in theaters. And I get paid to do market analysis so that would actually make me a professional sh-tposter, suck it wagies.

AquaParade

03-04-2021, 01:30 PM

Hmmm, it seems that lack of nuance really is the issue with you.

Leo656

03-04-2021, 07:55 PM

One of many. Too many to count.

sdp doesn't have "issues", he has f*cking subscriptions. :lol:

And good Lord, he actually gets paid to advance the "only consensus counts" narrative. This explains just, so much about everything he's ever posted as well as the completely broken worldview.

"Market research analyst" is almost as useless as being a high school guidance counselor. I'd never brag about that. I'm sure it pays well, but there's nothing moral about telling people their own individual thoughts and opinions don't matter because "everyone else" disagrees. And that's literally all that job is. "Statistics show us that Red sells more than Blue. Blue is therefore useless." Good lord, what a waste of a life. That's like the polar opposite of "nuance", it's nothing less than a job completely dedicated to eradicating independent thought and forcing everyone into groupthink.

I mean, do you, man, but don't try and claim any kind of "superiority" over anyone else, because it simply isn't there. To someone like me who values individualism over all else, you may as well be Satan.

Mugic

03-10-2021, 05:36 PM

Given the recent big push in marketing for the 80's toon, Maybe their planning a continuation of the FW series.........................:ohwell:

neatoman

03-10-2021, 05:43 PM

Given the recent big push in marketing for the 80's toon, Maybe their planning a continuation of the FW series.........................:ohwell:

What recent push? You mean that game? The point of that is clearly to homage the Konami games as well as possible, that's why it looks like the Fred Wolf cartoon. And it's like one thing, what else is there?

Roseangelo

03-10-2021, 05:51 PM

What recent push? You mean that game? The point of that is clearly to homage the Konami games as well as possible, that's why it looks like the Fred Wolf cartoon. And it's like one thing, what else is there?

A lot of different action figures.

CyberCubed

03-10-2021, 05:53 PM

Coola Yagami

03-10-2021, 07:13 PM

I really can't see a full series.

But I can see them doing a movie or special with the 80's Turtles. That would probably be ideal, since it's also easier to get the old voice actors to reprise their roles for a single movie than a full series that could potentially go on multiple seasons. Hell the Rise of the TMNT movie could be a testing ground of movies set in various TMNT universes if we're lucky going forward.

Only if it's a full on 80's TMNT movie. Enough with the crossovers where the joke is 'the 80's Turtles suck'. There wouldn't be ANY modern day TMNT cartoons if the 80's Turtles legit sucked and only had 1 season.

CyberCubed

03-10-2021, 07:14 PM

Yeah I meant a movie just about the original Turtles without any crossovers.

neatoman

03-10-2021, 07:20 PM

Only if it's a full on 80's TMNT movie. Enough with the crossovers where the joke is 'the 80's Turtles suck'. There wouldn't be ANY modern day TMNT cartoons if the 80's Turtles legit sucked and only had 1 season.

Nobody really knows that though. That's kind of like saying those early Batman and Captain America serials had to be good for the modern movies to have been made in the first place. And it's not like some things don't get their first adaptation decades after publication, if the Fred Wolf cartoon never existed there could still have been a TMNT cartoon.

ZariusTwo

03-10-2021, 11:53 PM

if the Fred Wolf cartoon never existed there could still have been a TMNT cartoon.

Would it have lasted though, or had the same impact?

RaphaelinSTL

03-10-2021, 11:55 PM

Given the recent big push in marketing for the 80's toon, Maybe their planning a continuation of the FW series.........................:ohwell:

I have so many friends outside of the fandom that talk about this idea constantly.

It's not as crazy to think as some might suggest ... a lot of people would be into this.

TigerClaw

03-11-2021, 04:40 AM

I have always said I wanted a new FW series but set on modern times.

With the announcement for the new TMNT: Shredder's Revenge game, There's a big push for FW TMNT to make a comeback, I have seen a lot of the reactions to it and they are filled with joy and excitement.

People love the FW TMNT because they grew up with it, and bringing that style back would make tons of people happy. Nickelodeon has tried and failed to capture the nostalgia of FW TMNT. I think its time to really look into that and make a new show that will appeal to all ages.

CyberCubed

03-11-2021, 07:32 AM

Thinking the OT could have a revival is not really that out of the question:

- Nick already did two different crossovers with the 80's Turtles in the 2012 cartoon. Even getting back all the original voice actors to reprise their roles that 4kids was unable to do with Turtles Forever

- Cartoon revivals are a major thing now. Young Justice got revived for Season 3 after being canceled years ago. Animaniacs and Tiny Toon Adventures got revivals. There's rumors B:TAS might get a revival of some kind. Hell even Futurama got to come back with 52 new episodes after originally being canceled by Fox. Dragon Ball Super exists. Star Wars got 3 new movies and Clone Wars got a Season 7. Star Trek Picard is a thing.

If you don't notice all the revivals with other franchises I don't know what to tell you.

ZariusTwo

03-11-2021, 09:33 AM

Another tired old chestnut from haters is the constant insistence modern writers wouldn't 'get' how to handle the old school cartoon, all because Turtles Forever dealt them rotten.

The 2012 TMNT episodes which featured them were often said to be marked improvements over all of that, they got the old VAs back and actually tried connecting the show more to the overall lore of the series they were guest-starring in, revealing details on Krang's past and actually trying to redeem Rocksteady and Bebop. Everybody won in that scenario. Fans of the OT got growth, and fans of TMNT 2012 got a great adventure which had connections to what they watching.

Modern animation humour has a lot of bite to it, the humour in OT could have bite too from time to time, although nowadays it seems softer because everything gets more and more amped up over time. That's what evolution is about...as we grow, so should shows and formats we grow up with.

Just today, I was watching a reaction video where a 40-esque old gamer obsessed with TMNT was watching the Shredder's Revenge trailer with his kids, who aren't even teenagers, and they were all pumped for the sight of the 80s TMNT and singing the theme song.

The haters in this community are stubborn, too old, and not in touch. TMNT needs to evolve, but to do so, it must evolve it's only real sure-fire success story. And that's Fred Wolf.

Cope.

Sumac

03-11-2021, 10:13 AM

I'd take FW series, even as is.
But if changes needs to be made, I accept them as long as they make series better.

superstaff

03-11-2021, 10:17 AM

The 2012 TMNT episodes which featured them were often said to be marked improvements over all of that, they got the old VAs back and actually tried connecting the show more to the overall lore of the series they were guest-starring in, revealing details on Krang's past and actually trying to redeem Rocksteady and Bebop. Everybody won in that scenario. Fans of the OT got growth, and fans of TMNT 2012 got a great adventure which had connections to what they watching.

Eh... They still took a ton of potshots at the 80s TMNT, and basically made them incompetent buffoons in many scenes. Didn't 2012 Raph imply they didn't know how to fight well at all during the second crossover? Jeez.

sdp

03-11-2021, 10:21 AM

TMNT needs to evolve, but to do so, it must evolve it's only real sure-fire success story. And that's Fred Wolf.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2627522993/jackie-chan_400x400.jpg

AquaParade

03-11-2021, 11:31 AM

Just today, I was watching a reaction video where a 40-esque old gamer obsessed with TMNT was watching the Shredder's Revenge trailer with his kids, who aren't even teenagers, and they were all pumped for the sight of the 80s TMNT and singing the theme song.

The haters in this community are stubborn, too old, and not in touch. TMNT needs to evolve, but to do so, it must evolve it's only real sure-fire success story. And that's Fred Wolf.

Cope.

Nah. That's like saying Batman could have only thrived in the early 90's by following in the footsteps of Adam West's Batman. They went back to the comic book source material and look how the character has blossomed.

Fred Wolf is ever-important moment in TMNT history. Crucial to the type of success the brand has had and a merchandise staple, but not the future of the franchise. That reaction video you saw isn't an anomaly relegated to Fred Wolf TMNT. Just look up the reaction video to the TMNT being brought to Mortal Kombat or the sales of The Last Ronin. People just show up for quality TMNT content. They don't need it to be Fred Wolf-related to get excited.

There will always be pizza and other Fred Wolf elements thrown in, but the future is in the MCU or Batman method: towing a smart line between respecting the source material, and pleasing fans of all ages.

ZariusTwo

03-11-2021, 12:12 PM

Nah. That's like saying Batman could have only thrived in the early 90's by following in the footsteps of Adam West's Batman. They went back to the comic book source material and look how the character has blossomed.

Remember "Brave and the Bold?", a lightweight Batman series that harkened back to the golden and silver age of heroes, and people loved it. This was all during the 'blossoming' period of edgelord Bats.

People are bored of 'edgy' Batman, particular the comic book fans. You're the Tom King fan, you remember we all wanted him to be married to Catwoman only a few years ago, they didn't want the bleak future that awaited him in the likes of Batman Beyond, they wanted him happy.

neatoman

03-11-2021, 12:23 PM

Would it have lasted though, or had the same impact?

That too is also a "Who the hell knows?" kind of deal. We'll never know of course but it is entirely possible.

Let's just be clear here, there is literally no reason at all to believe the first TMNT cartoon had to come out in the late 80's or even that had to be anything like what the Fred Wolf cartoon ended up being in order to be a success. There isn't even any reason to believe the first TMNT cartoon had to be a success for others to exist. Maybe that is easy to forget because the first TMNT was made in the late 80's and was a success, but who really knows how things would have shaken out if that wasn't case?

Consider this alternative scenario:
No cartoon was ever made in the late 80's and the playmates deal fell through. In 1999, Mirage makes a deal with McFarlane Toys to produce a toyline, focusing on high quality action figures and no playsets. A cartoon is produced to market this version of the toyline. It has Savanti Romero as the main villain and April is head of a delivery company. The show only does moderately well and ends after four seasons. In 2009 another toy deal is struck and a cartoon with the Rat King as the main villain and April as a mechanic is made, which turns out to be a roaring success. This basically leads to TMNT being thought of as a 2000-2010's thing, despite having been around for over 20 years.

So, what about this scenario is unbelievable? Nothing as far as I can see, if anything it's a more typical road to TV adaptions of comics than what actually happened to TMNT in the real world.

Coola Yagami

03-11-2021, 12:51 PM

AquaParade

03-11-2021, 01:14 PM

Remember "Brave and the Bold?", a lightweight Batman series that harkened back to the golden and silver age of heroes, and people loved it. This was all during the 'blossoming' period of edgelord Bats.

People are bored of 'edgy' Batman, particular the comic book fans. You're the Tom King fan, you remember we all wanted him to be married to Catwoman only a few years ago, they didn't want the bleak future that awaited him in the likes of Batman Beyond, they wanted him happy.

Do fans remember brave and the bold as fondly as Batman: TAS? Not even close. Either way, I don’t think a lukewarm received cartoon is proof of anything. You’d have to expand on why that is relevant.

I’m not the Tom King fan. I commended DC for hiring him to write Batman, because he was a hot name in the industry, I didn’t praise his Batman run. Important difference.

People aren’t bored of edgy Batman. That’s ridiculous. I mean, I appreciate a zany, colorful - Morrison Batman very much, and I don’t need everything to be gritty, but generally speaking, people want serious Batman over Adam West Batman. The one that resembles the source material.

Again, I’m baffled at how Brave and the Bold even matters. If we are pointing to cherished and successful Batman interpretation, among mainstream audiences and hardcore fans alike, the first things people think of are B:TAS, The Nolan Trilogy, Burton’s Batman, Frank Miller, or even Affleck’s portrayal of the character, for many. Maybe that last one is polarizing, but still.

neatoman

03-11-2021, 01:22 PM

Would the concept of Savanti Romer as main villain work though? That would mean every episode would be about time travel or reality altering shenanigans and we're already asking the audience to swallow the concept of talking humanoid martial arts turtles.

I didn't think too much about the concept aside from it being a clear indicator that this hypothetical show does not resemble the Fred Wolf show. It doesn't matter too much how the show would be, just that it's not really the same as the Fred Wolf show. Same thing with the hypothetical reboot with the Rat King.

But if you had to ask me how it would work and I had to give an answer... One possibility is that he's not necessarily the main villain in the sense that he shows up more than anyone else, just that he's the biggest threat and most other episodes can be occupied with like Purple Dragons and Baxter Stockman. Or an alternative could be that he starts out with relatively minor spells and resources but builds up to being a more credible threat over time.

But like I said, it's somewhat besides the point. The actual point is that there is no reason to think the "Shredder and Krang with Bebop and Rocksteady in the Technodrome plotting to take over the world with whatever horseshit April reports on that week" thing had to be the winning formula for having an impact. For all we know it could just as easily have been "The Triceratons plan to take over the world and the Turtles need to protect the Fugitoid and April so they can collaborate on a weapon to stop them", if the premise had been something like that then we'd be having people trying to state that is what the TMNT "needs" to be instead.

Short version of the point: We just don't know if the first cartoon needed to be like the Fred Wolf cartoon to make an impact.

ZariusTwo

03-11-2021, 01:25 PM

the first things people think of are B:TAS, The Nolan Trilogy, Burton’s Batman, Frank Miller

Nolan's Batman is just as polarizing, Begins and Rises have divisive opinions, The Dark Knight is the only one that is praised unanimously.

Miller's Batman is revered for Year One and Dark Knight Returns, but that's it. All his follow ups are considered some of the worst work of his later career and all of comics, especially All-Star Batman.

Burton's Batman goes off the rails with Batman Returns, as memorable as that is, it's 'just a bunch of stuff that happens'. Michelle Pheiffer and Christopher Walken are the true stars of that one, not Keaton or Divito.

Batman: TAS's reputation gets more and more degraded every time Bruce Timm is invited back to do anything with it, because he's a pervert and out of ideas.

people want serious Batman over Adam West Batman. The one that resembles the source materiall.

The 'source material' wasn't always so bleak and edgy, that's the point. It's gotten to the point that side is becoming almost self-parody now.

I'm not saying Adam West Batman is the answer either, but a nice balance of light and dark is needed. Something more colourful, a straight act in a crazier world, not "who can one-up the other in acts of self destruction"

I don't think people hungry for 'edgy' Batman even understand what the character even is at this point, and certainly don't know what's best for him.

CyberCubed

03-11-2021, 01:30 PM

Do fans remember brave and the bold as fondly as Batman: TAS? Not even close. Either way, I don’t think a lukewarm received cartoon is proof of anything. You’d have to expand on why that is relevant.
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Brave and the Bold is critically acclaimed and the second most popular Batman cartoon after B:TAS. I don't know where you got "lukewarm" from.

The Batman had a "lukewarm" reception, and Beware the Batman bombed. And then other stuff like Justice League Action never got much of a chance.

Sumac

03-11-2021, 01:32 PM

Fred Wolf is ever-important moment in TMNT history. Crucial to the type of success the brand has had and a merchandise staple, but not the future of the franchise. That reaction video you saw isn't an anomaly relegated to Fred Wolf TMNT. Just look up the reaction video to the TMNT being brought to Mortal Kombat or the sales of The Last Ronin. People just show up for quality TMNT content. They don't need it to be Fred Wolf-related to get excited.
They key component all of those works harken back to the 90s (except for The Last Ronin). Not 2003, Nick, Rise or comic books.

ZariusTwo

03-11-2021, 01:33 PM

The Batman had a "lukewarm" reception.

I used to hate The Batman, but on reflection it wasn't that bad and it did improve, people had a grudge against it for the 'Bat-Embargo' taking away opportunities for Justice League Unlimited to use Bat-villains (which made them more creative)

..That, and they made the Joker look like a clown Goku.

AquaParade

03-11-2021, 03:29 PM

Brave and the Bold is critically acclaimed and the second most popular Batman cartoon after B:TAS. I don't know where you got "lukewarm" from.

The Batman had a "lukewarm" reception, and Beware the Batman bombed. And then other stuff like Justice League Action never got much of a chance.

In comparison to the examples I cited, it's definitely a lukewarm reception. I mean. It's a niche cartoon that has it's fans but it's not culturally relevant to Batman the way other Batman projects have been.

Zarius, you can tear down the projects I've named and find fault with them, but it doesn't change the fact that the public generally embraced them more than Brave & the bold. I think we are getting in the weeds with this debate, but I just don't think TMNT needs Fred Wolf to survive any longer.

shredder orokusaki

03-12-2021, 08:18 AM

I dont understand why they made my new game based on my 1987 version instead of rise of tmnt but this dosent mean that suddently after so many years the 1987 show will continue with the next series. It will be something new not a continuation of where 1987 series ended. There is no any reason to make another series based on the 1987 series.

Sumac

03-12-2021, 09:06 AM

It seems mainstream public didn't like Rise.

Leo656

03-12-2021, 09:46 AM

20 years from now, I wonder whether "Rise", "Next Mutation" or BayTurtles will be the Blackest Sheep.

...And the fact that we have so many strong contenders for that "title" is supremely depressing all by itself.

IndigoErth

03-12-2021, 10:02 AM

My guess... still Next Mutation. Rise second as it made itself rather forgettable outside of it's own hardcore fans, and the Bay films are largely innocuous and more forgettable just being two films that came and went and nothing long term like a series. Next Mutation is weird enough with the sound effects, etc to keep it's "wtf was that" edge.

Leo656

03-12-2021, 10:08 AM

I would pick Next Mutation easily over the other two, any day of the week.

All three of them make me wanna hurl a brick through my TV... but at least TNM has a passing resemblance to the characters as we know them, and they're not some perverted "recreation".

"Rise", I can't condone because of how unapologetically dumb it is. I cannot abide "dumb" TMNT. And I swear to GOD that I will hit my finish on anyone who chimes in with "TMNT s'pozed to be dumb, tho!"

And BayTurtles... I just... I can't even... I want to find out where the people responsible live. And eat their skin. Or failing that, just take a giant White Castle sh*t in the refrigerator and the toilet tank. SOMETHING. Transgressions such as those demand recompense. A blood sacrifice. SOMETHING.

I don't particularly like TNM. But it's reasonably low on the "Leo656 Wants To Commit A Felony" scale compared to the other two.

srmff

03-12-2021, 10:20 AM

I find The Next Mutation to be the most unwatchable (I was never able to finish it). The second most unwatchable is Bay Turtles. I was constantly looking at the clock when watching Out of the Shadows. I could not stand Bebop and Rocksteady or Krang and the humour. Then there were just the completely stupid scenes like the turtles jumping out of an airplane. For that matter, I didn't particularly like any of the turtles. They all annoyed me. I would defnitely choose to watch Rise over the other two.