Hawkeye spinoff Disney+ series ("Echo"?)

[Andrew NDB]

Eh... starring a deaf Native American?

https://www.darkhorizons.com/disney-develops-hawkeye-spin-off-series/

[oldmanwinters]

I think there are currently two Hawkeyes in the main-stream Marvel comics now and one of them is a lady. Don't know much else about her.

[IMJ]

I think there are currently two Hawkeyes in the main-stream Marvel comics now and one of them is a lady. Don't know much else about her.

Clint Barton Hawkeye and then Kate Bishop Hawkeye which I think was part of Marvel's Young Avengers group some years back. The Young Avengers were both a novel idea from Joe Quesada's time as editor and an early sign of the SJW replacement push from Marvel.

[NinjaPug]

How is this a second Hawkeye series? Seems like it's a separate series about Echo.

[TigerClaw]

How is this a second Hawkeye series? Seems like it's a separate series about Echo.
The character will be introduced in the Hawkeye series.

[NinjaPug]

The character will be introduced in the Hawkeye series.

I know. That doesn't make this a second Hawkeye series.

[Autbot_Benz]

Charlie Cox, Vincent D’Onofrio Returning for Marvel Series ‘Echo’

Charlie Cox and Vincent D’Onofrio, who portrayed classic Marvel Comics characters Daredevil and The Kingpin, respectively, have joined the series, which stars Hawkeye breakout Alaqua Cox as Maya Lopez. Marvel had no comment.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/charlie-cox-vincent-donofrio-echo-1235170929/

[Andrew NDB]

Charlie Cox, Vincent D’Onofrio Returning for Marvel Series ‘Echo’

Charlie Cox and Vincent D’Onofrio, who portrayed classic Marvel Comics characters Daredevil and The Kingpin, respectively, have joined the series, which stars Hawkeye breakout Alaqua Cox as Maya Lopez. Marvel had no comment.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/charlie-cox-vincent-donofrio-echo-1235170929/

So it's official for them. Well, neat. I believe Echo is a love interest of Daredevil's in the comics, yeah?

[Autbot_Benz]

So it's official for them. Well, neat. I believe Echo is a love interest of Daredevil's in the comics, yeah?

yes they did

Did Echo and Daredevil date?

First meeting Matt Murdock (through the machinations of the Kingpin), Echo begins a relationship with Matt while simultaneously hunting Daredevil. But when she discovers Daredevil's secret - his blindness - she sets a trap designed to remove the advantage of his radar sense, and fights him nearly to the death.

[Autbot_Benz]

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All episodes of #Echo drop November 29, 2023.

[ZariusTwo]

Burning it all off on the same day:lol:

[Andrew NDB]

"Does Daredevil show up in it?"

"How much does Kingpin have to do in this?"

-- these are literally the only two things I care about this.

[Autbot_Benz]

Echo, a spin-off from last year’s hit Hawkeye, was originally announced for Nov. 29 but has now shifted to January 2024.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/marvel-tv-show-release-dates-1235580093/

[Autbot_Benz]

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[Andrew NDB]

That looks surprisingly dark for a Marvel Disney+ show. Probably the darkest yet, and by a good margin. That bodes well for Daredevil.

[Andrew NDB]

Hey, there's Daredevil in it, too. Blink and you'll miss it, but that's clearly him at 1:27 leaping away. Can't really tell if it's the red suit or yellow suit.

[XERO]

Just keep Kingpin away from a car door.

IYKYK.

[Monty Mole]

Hey, there's Daredevil in it, too. Blink and you'll miss it, but that's clearly him at 1:27 leaping away. Can't really tell if it's the red suit or yellow suit.

Hoping for Red. The Yellow suit was cool to see in the She Hulk show, but if we're getting something Dark and Gritty, I wanna see him Rocking the red suit.

[Andrew NDB]

Hoping for Red. The Yellow suit was cool to see in the She Hulk show, but if we're getting something Dark and Gritty, I wanna see him Rocking the red suit.

On closer examination... it does appear red.

[Autbot_Benz]

Disney UK did a preview of Echo and its a fight between her and Daredevil

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[Andrew NDB]

Disney UK did a preview of Echo and its a fight between her and Daredevil

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People seem to be tearing this up online but I don't think it looks too bad.

[IMJ]

Marvel should have called this character "Box Checker" and put her on a new team with Snowflake and Safespace.

[Sumac]

Basically old joke about Black Wheelchair-bound Obese Trans Lesbian made real.

[Autbot_Benz]

New Kingpin Trailer. Netflix Daredevil is canon to this show

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[Andrew NDB]

Whole thing comes out later today.

[XERO]

I'll be watching tonight!

[ProphetofGanja]

Whole thing comes out later today.

Man I was so pissed when I went to go watch an episode or two just now before I go to work tonight smh. Premieres at like 9, West Coast time, like c'mon Disney the day of simulcast debuts is over smh

[Andrew NDB]

Man I was so pissed when I went to go watch an episode or two just now before I go to work tonight smh. Premieres at like 9, West Coast time, like c'mon Disney the day of simulcast debuts is over smh

6 PM west coast, 9 PM east coast.

[Monty Mole]

Man I was so pissed when I went to go watch an episode or two just now before I go to work tonight smh. Premieres at like 9, West Coast time, like c'mon Disney the day of simulcast debuts is over smh

Ikr?! They might as well have just said the release date was Jan 10th.

[Andrew NDB]

Ikr?! They might as well have just said the release date was Jan 10th.

6 PM west coast was same as when the last season of Loki was coming out. Though I like the idea of rewarding the people that stay up to midnight to catch a new episode.

[XERO]

We're getting all the episodes at once.

I'd call that compensation.

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully the illegal streaming websites has this when I wake up tomorrow morning so I can watch them all at work while I get paid and on 1.5x speed so I can through them before lunch time.

[Andrew NDB]

Just did a quick skimming around of all 5 episodes and this is what I see:

From what I can tell Daredevil only shows up in the first episode and its only in costume, is only the scene that already leaked, and its a flashback, not present day. So maybe he's still wearing the yellow from She-Hulk in the present but we don't know because we don't see him in the present.

Plenty of Kingpin so no worries there.

Mostly just Native American and tribal hanging out, it looks like. I don't really see any big surprises here. What wouldn't surprise me if they chopped out a whole lot of "hanging out with the tribe" stuff (remember, this dropped down from like 8 episodes to 5) and Daredevil's whole little appearance was a reshoot. To try and get people hooked in.

[Autbot_Benz]

Reviewers on X are calling Echo Boring so looks skipable

[CyberCubed]

If it's boring the 1.5x speed function will get this over with in no time flat. I'll watch it tomorrow.

[Autbot_Benz]

The Netflix Shows have been added to the Sacred MCU Timeline

https://i.imgur.com/BzPufkB.jpg

[Monty Mole]

Wow. The trailer really went out of their way to make this show look better than it was. Super disappointed!

Only part I liked was the backroom fight with Daredevil.

[Andrew NDB]

Which I'm betting was a reshoot.

The Netflix Shows have been added to the Sacred Timeline

Wow, all of them, huh? I was thinking just Daredevil and Jessica, with a soft reboot for Luke Cage (new actor, keep the history) and a hard reboot for Iron Fist (new actor, total start over) down the line. Makes you wonder if there's any plans for the other stuff. There was rumors about Jessica Jones popping into Daredevil: Born Again, but that was it.

[ZariusTwo]

This really could just be re-edited into a Kingpin movie.

[Andrew NDB]

This really could just be re-edited into a Kingpin movie.

It sounds like that's basically what Feige did when he took the knife to the show. Or at least, made it much more closer to that than it was before.

[CyberCubed]

Well I finished it, even with only 5 eps it felt longer than it heeded to be, a 1 hour and 45 minute movie would have told the same story. The Kingpin scenes were the highlight everything else is either padding or Native American promotion in the same way Ms Marvel was muslim/Pakistani heritage promotion.

Granted most people are more used to Native American plights and traditions as its been ingrained in our minds since childhood through all the exposure in media over the years.

[Andrew NDB]

I saw the first episode last night. A bit slow. About half of it is just recycling just about all of the origin footage straight from Hawkeye (which is awkward because we see her earlier in the origin in new footage, then she's supposed to be older in the footage recycled from Hawkeye but looks notably younger, because it was shot years ago now) then it's just the quick Daredevil appearance and her going to reconnect with her tribe and heal. I suspect it's going to be a bit of a spiritual journey deal while getting her people ready to ward off the Kingpin and his thugs on her homeland... sort of exactly like the third act of "Hobbs & Shaw." :roll:

[The Deadman]

Since there's only 5 episodes of this, I'll binge it tomorrow.

[ZariusTwo]

Seems in the post credits of the finale

They're setting up Fisk campaigning for Mayor of NYC, a role he'd been in for most of the last five years at Marvel comics until he stepped down in the "Devil's Reign" event and replaced by Luke Cage

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, we already knew even before the strike he was going to be mayor.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, we already knew even before the strike he was going to be mayor.

Gotcha.

If they play their cards right, Fisk could well become the preferred MCU big bad of the current phases, as he also controls the Hellfire Club in the X-Men comics and he can transition to those movies too, and the Mayor angle would probably be a part of the next Spider-Man film.

[Sumac]

Gotcha.

If they play their cards right, Fisk could well become the preferred MCU big bad of the current phases, as he also controls the Hellfire Club in the X-Men comics and he can transition to those movies too, and the Mayor angle would probably be a part of the next Spider-Man film.

But is Fisk is big villain enough to oppose X-Men or carry on to becoming a big bad for the whole MCU? I always thought he is just powerful mafia boss. Granted, I don't know much about Marvel universe outside of cartoons and movies.

[ZariusTwo]

But is Fisk is big villain enough to oppose X-Men or carry on to becoming a big bad for the whole MCU? I always thought he is just powerful mafia boss. Granted, I don't know much about Marvel universe outside of cartoons and movies.

Certainly not on a cosmic level like a Galactus or Doctor Doom...no, but I think after the grand galaxy wide crisis we had with Thanos, the MCU could afford to have spent a phase dealing with something on street level. I know that's what they were aiming for with the Defenders corner at Netflix, but it would be a nice break from major world-ending stakes if heroes focused on smaller problems and create that appetitive again for something bigger.

Alternatively, you could have Fisk arranging deals with more powerful mutants, bankrolling Sentinels to safeguard his cities from them etc..and for mystic level threats he can cut a deal with Mephisto if he needed to heal his wife after she's critically wounded

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, it'd be like Kingpin pulling the strings of other big bads from behind the scenes and such, making deals and plans and alliances. And even Tom Holland said his dream Spider-Man movie would have Kingpin as the bad guy, so who knows. In the comics he goes primarily back and forth between Spider-Man villain and Punisher villain, with the occasional BIG bad stint.

It'd be nice to see them pay off on the end of Daredevil season 3. And get a proper Bullseye running around. Hopefully that happens in Born Again.

[Andrew NDB]

Just finished all 5 episodes. Yeesh. When it's good, it's good, but there's not much of that. The TV-MA business is barely utilized -- some moments of blood in the same sequence with Daredevil's little cameo in episode 1, one moment with the guy in charge of the skate rink getting bloodily killed in a later episode, and then Kingpin smashing a hot dog vendor with his fists in another one that was in the trailers. That's it. There isn't any blood/gore/extreme violence anywhere else. Echo just isn't much of a character outside of her handicaps, and then they try awkwardly to graft all of this culture around her. It's like wait... who is she, exactly, and why are we supposed to care about her, again, before we get into giving her god-like powers out of nowhere?

I really suspect they reshot the hell out of that ending, too. I suspect Echo and her family members originally really did use their dumb superpowers to overpower Kingpin and his minions, straight up, and then Kingpin ran away. Then Feige stepped in and made it more personal, more intimate to the Kingpin's past and made a "quick fix" there to make Echo seem like someone you'd want to root for for all of 5 seconds.

Not a good show. A big waste of D'Onofrio, sadly, particularly with no one with which to really match his wits, and just a ton of slog here and barely any of the action that was promised. And the Daredevil-style action is literally only in one scene in the first episode... which you can also bet is probably a result of reshoots.

[Andrew NDB]

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