So...who banished Krang from Dimension X?

[Jester]

Krang is a banished warlord, but when we see Dimension X in season 1, Tragg and his rock soldiers still seem to be maintaining order there and the Neutrinos are fugitives they are in pursuit of.

So....who exactly sent Krang to Earth?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

If we go by the Nick cartoon, it's Kraang Subprime. I used to think it was the Neutrinos but it's nowhere mentioned in the original cartoon that they are the ones who banished Krang.

[IndigoErth]

I don't have a strong memory of it, but didn't we just once see other beings like Krang but still with their original bodies? Some kind of weird dino/lizard/Godzilla-ish bodies? Think they might have been other warlords and were the ones who may have banished him? If so I don't recall why, and I could be wrong.


edit: Never mind, I guess I was thinking of this ep, but seems they were clones who grew new bodies like what Krang once had. https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Krangazoids


Some amount of solders staying loyal to Krang might make sense, but it's an awful lot for someone who was banished.

[Jester]

If we go by the Nick cartoon, it's Kraang Subprime. I used to think it was the Neutrinos but it's nowhere mentioned in the original cartoon that they are the ones who banished Krang.
I'd forgotten Sub-prime was mentioned in the Nick series.

I don't have a strong memory of it, but didn't we just once see other beings like Krang but still with their original bodies? Some kind of weird dino/lizard/Godzilla-ish bodies? Think they might have been other warlords and were the ones who may have banished him? If so I don't recall why, and I could be wrong.
Those were clones created by Krang who eventually grew those bodies, so we assume that's what Krang looked like pre-exile. There may have been other Warlords of Krang's species who banished him, but they are never shown on the series, I think...

[sdp]

The neutrinos from 1987 are from the 2012 universe then right?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The neutrinos from 1987 are from the 2012 universe then right?

We don't talk about the 2012 "Neutrinos".

[IndigoErth]

Those were clones created by Krang who eventually grew those bodies, so we assume that's what Krang looked like pre-exile. There may have been other Warlords of Krang's species who banished him, but they are never shown on the series, I think...
Yeah, I edited before seeing your post, but you were correct. I really can't think of anything else that might actually hint at it. :tconfuse:

It's surprising after the amount of years that series was on tv they may not have ever touched on that. Shredder's family, sure, but Krang's situation pre-Earth which might be more important... *shrug* If anyone ever did do a movie based on that series, that might be a decent plot hole to look at.

[Powder]

If we go by the Nick cartoon, it's Kraang Subprime.

Since no-one was ever cited, I'm more than fine with this answer. I liked how the two had their continuities woven together, the whole multiverse thing.

Assuming that never happened, I'd guess it was some sort of galactic council, maybe. I dunno. :tlol:

[neatoman]

Let's just ignore the Nickelodeon crossovers, shall we?

Since nobody at the time likely imagined there would be more TMNT in the future, it's doubtful it was ever the plan to have it be some characters from a reboot.
Even if it was the intention that he was banished by his own people, several aspects of the 2012 show simply can't fit with the Fred Wolf show. Dimension X sure as hell wasn't a pink Xen parody in the Fred Wolf cartoon.


Now there is one thing the Nickelodeon crossovers might be correct about, Krang could very well have been banished by his own race. Banishment usually implies you are no longer allowed in your own nation of origin, which I guess translates to his own planet in Dimension X here. The problem is that we don't know what his actual crimes are, though when a leader is exiled, it tends to be because they tried to commit a coup. So if Krang was banished by his own, it is likely because he tried to maintain power through illegal means. Another possibility is that he allied himself with an enemy of theirs, let's imagine the Rock Soldiers are enemies of Krang's people and since he accepted a role as a commanding officer in their army, he simply wasn't allowed to go back to his people.

Another possibility is that Dimension X has some kind of regulatory body for treaties, kind of like the UN or something, and Krang had somehow betrayed Dimension X as a whole. This would explain why his exile is outside Dimension X.

Of course none of this is explained and I'm basically writing a better show in my head right now. There are several question marks that need to be explained here. Just for simplicity, here is a list of them:

What were Krang's crimes?
Who were his victims?
Why were they considered crimes?
Why earth in particular?
Why allow him to keep the Technodrome and a teleportation device so he can return as powerful as before?
Why isn't he punished whenever he returns to Dimension X?

[Jester]

I always assumed that Shredder built the Technodrome (I mean, there's a big Foot logo on the door) with Krang's input, but then again the builder is mentioned in later seasons isn't he?

[Leo656]

What were Krang's crimes?
Who were his victims?
Why were they considered crimes?
Why earth in particular?
Why allow him to keep the Technodrome and a teleportation device so he can return as powerful as before?
Why isn't he punished whenever he returns to Dimension X?


*Wearing white after Labor Day
*Fashion
*Because people are pretentious dicks
*Because everyone here is such an asshole so he'd fit right in
*Because the Democrats are in power again
*See Above

:tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

[neatoman]

I always assumed that Shredder built the Technodrome (I mean, there's a big Foot logo on the door) with Krang's input, but then again the builder is mentioned in later seasons isn't he?

Yes, the Technodrome is explicitly stated to be from Dimension X after season 1. In season 1, all we know is that Shredder met Krang in America, as he explicitly mentioned that he gained his Technology there after he followed Yoshi. Krang also states that he gives Shredder his technology and that is seemingly what he relies on, so we have to assume it is as the very least based on something he already had access to. The Rock soldiers aren't the least bit surprised about the Technodrome, which would imply it's something familiar to them.

But yes, technically I couldn't find any reference to the Technodrome itself being from Dimension X. Just that it is Dimension X technology.

But if we assume Shredder built it, that may be an even bigger headache to solve than the assumption that it came from Dimension X. If we assume it is from Dimension X, all we have to figure out is why Krang was allowed to keep it while in exile. If Shredder built it...

What did it cost and where did he get the funds?
How many human beings know about it?
How did he keep the construction hidden?
How much custom hardware did it require?
Did he have to patent it to prevent the contractors from just copying it?
Did Earth really have all the raw materials needed to make it?


*Wearing white after Labor Day
*Fashion
*Because people are pretentious dicks
*Because everyone here is such an asshole so he'd fit right in
*Because the Democrats are in power again
*See Above

:tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

Democrats? So Dimension X has a two party system?

[Leo656]

If Shredder built it...

What did it cost and where did he get the funds?
How many human beings know about it?
How did he keep the construction hidden?
How much custom hardware did it require?
Did he have to patent it to prevent the contractors from just copying it?
Did Earth really have all the raw materials needed to make it?



*It's actually mostly made out of recycled beer cans, so the cost of "new" materials was about $47.50
*Seven. It used to be eight, but then Corey Haim died.
*Special lenses that bend and refract the light, built out of super-rare sunstone minerals and polished with unicorn tears.
*Shockingly, the exact same internal parts as a 1998-model JVC Kaboom Box.
*The contractors couldn't copy it because the instructions were written in Dothraki.
*They had to outsource some of the materials from Alderaan. Unfortunately, it was after Alderaan blew up, so pickings were slim.


Democrats? So Dimension X has a two party system?

Shockingly, it's actually a 12-party system. However, just like here the Democrats repeatedly rise to the top by telling everyone exactly what they want to hear and then proceed to do absolutely nothing. :trazz:

[Jephael]

Well whoever it was who banished Krang, it's a safe bet it was some type of...

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/183/103/alens.jpg

[IndigoErth]

Unless it was members of his own species and/or world that banished him, then the the banisher of Krang were locals to that world, not aliens. :trazz:

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I always assumed that Shredder built the Technodrome (I mean, there's a big Foot logo on the door) with Krang's input, but then again the builder is mentioned in later seasons isn't he?

The Foot logo was probably added after the Technodrome came to Earth.

[IMJ]

Didn't TMNT 2012 actually create a form of continuity between that universes big Krang and the Fred Wolf Krang's banishment? I seem to remember something being there and if it did then it's hard canon - I mean it appeared on show.

[Ninjinister]

If Fall of the Foot Clan's manual is anything to go by, it was the Galaxy Cops (https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Galaxy_Cops), whoever they were.

[neatoman]

If Fall of the Foot Clan's manual is anything to go by, it was the Galaxy Cops (https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Galaxy_Cops), whoever they were.

http://www.reasonablyclever.com/bootlegtoys/photos/starwars/cops2.jpg

Alternatively:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/tenchi/images/1/15/Tenchi_Muyo_GXP.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090810000904
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/casper/images/c/c2/Casper_and_the_angels.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171010154854

[sdp]

I hate that all krang are supposed to be either rouge or vanished kraang from he 2012 series, but it is what it is. Sure you can take the cheap way out and say that "the original writers didn't mean it like that" but they don't own the franchise or the continuity of it.

Instead we need to find out how all the mess that the 2012 show did and try to explain it. Because if we go by that then why do the Rock soldiers look different between the OT and 2012? why are tehre two general traggs? and they're very different?

[DarkFell]

It might have been similar to IDW - both the Neutrinos and whatever Krang's species were called in the FW cartoon (if anything), formed an alliance to banish Krang from his dimension.

His crimes could have been that he was selecting unwilling subjects to test his mutagen on. He might have grown his reptilian body from it, but, why stop at that? Also, he seemed to hate the Neutrinos for some reason.

The Foot Clan logo on The Technodome was placed as an alliance between Shredder and Krang.

But, I'm going to assume that the show's former creators didn't think that the series would get as far as it did.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

It seems Fred Wolf and Nickelodeon share the same Dimension X, just different parts. Which explains why they mentioned the "Kraang's part of Dimension X".

[sdp]

but 2012 implies there is only "1" dimension x in the turtles multiverse, so that would mean that any continuity that uses dimension x would be that same dimension.
Except perhaps Archie since Dimension X is a galaxy there and not a dimension I think.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

but 2012 implies there is only "1" dimension x in the turtles multiverse, so that would mean that any continuity that uses dimension x would be that same dimension.
Except perhaps Archie since Dimension X is a galaxy there and not a dimension I think.

It might be true.

Let's check out:
Mirage–Image Comics, original movies, Next Mutation, 4 Kids cartoon: No Dimension X

Fred Wolf and Nickelodeon cartoons: Use Dimension X, and seem to share Dimension X

Archie Comics: Dimension X is a galaxy in the same universe as Earth, not affected.

Fleetway Comics: Never crossed over with any other TMNT universes. The only Dimension X scenes I recall were the interior of the Technodrome, when it was located in Dimension X. If you want, you can probably take them as loose early Archie continuty, where Dimension X is a galaxy in the same universe as Earth, and not affected.

Original video games: This feels like just a video game series with some great arcade action for its time, not a TMNT universe on its own. But if you play Tournament Fighters for the Sega Mega Drive–Genesis, you will learn that Dimension X even in ths "universe" is a galaxy, and not affected.

IDW: They never crossed over with any other TMNT.

Nickelodeon video games: While following the Nickelodeon cartoon, but they have never crossed over with other TMNT incarnations.

Platinum Dunes movies: These were produced at the time the Nickelodeon cartoon aired. But I can't even recall any Dimension X being mentioned, just "Earth's dimension" and "Krang's dimension". Again, they never crossed over.

Rise of the TMNT: Produced later, not so relevant.

Action figures: They are just that, action figures based on the comics, cartoons and movies. The story is developed by the children playing with them.


So, Fred Wolf and Nickelodeon probably share same Dimension X. The rest are irrelevant.

[neatoman]

IDW has not directly crossed over with any other iteration of TMNT in the sense that they've met AU versions of themselves, this is true. However, it is made clear that Renet and Savanti are indeed the characters from Mirage, while Kakera does note that they are different from the Turtles he summoned before. So while no direct crossovers have been written as of yet, it is made clear the Mirage Turtles do exist somewhere in the multiverse. A possible explaination being that the IDW universe exists as a consequence of something that happened in a previous Mirage story.

Anyway, here's a realist explaination for the contradiction: They just made a new Dimension X because they wanted to do their own thing and never intended to make any crossovers. When they had to do one, they just didn't care enough to explain it.