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Refractive Reflections

03-30-2021, 07:37 AM

Nation’s first ‘vaccine passport’ coming to New York

By Gabrielle Fonrouge - March 26, 2021

https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/nations-first-covid-vaccine-passport-coming-to-new-york/

The nation’s very first “vaccine passport” (https://nypost.com/2021/03/24/travel-industry-presses-biden-on-covid-vaccine-passports/) is coming to the Big Apple.

The program, dubbed the “Excelsior Pass,” (https://epass.ny.gov/home) is an app that will allow New Yorkers to prove their vaccination status, or recent history of a negative COVID-19 test, in order to gain entry to events and businesses (https://nypost.com/2021/03/03/cuomo-relaxes-some-covid-restrictions-with-jj-vaccines-set-to-arrive/), Governor Cuomo announced in a news release Friday.

“Similar to a mobile airline boarding pass, individuals will be able to either print out their pass or store it on their smartphones using the Excelsior Pass Wallet app,” the news release explains. “Each Pass will have a secure QR code, which participating businesses and venues can scan using a companion app to verify proof of COVID-19 negative test results or proof of vaccination. An individual’s data is kept secure and confidential at all times.” The app won’t show any health information when scanned — it’ll only show a green checkmark if the person has been vaccinated or tested negatively or a red “x” if they haven’t.

Major venues, such as Madison Square Garden and the Times Union Center in Albany, will begin using the app next week and on April 2, Excelsior Pass will expand to “smaller arts, entertainment and event venues,” Cuomo’s office said.

The app, which launched Friday, already works to prove vaccination status or negative test results and can be used to gain access to wedding receptions, which now require negative tests from attendees, and other events above the social gathering limit.

“New Yorkers have proven they can follow public health guidance to beat back COVID, and the innovative Excelsior Pass is another tool in our new toolbox to fight the virus while allowing more sectors of the economy to reopen safely and keeping personal information secure,” Cuomo said in a statement. “The question of ‘public health or the economy’ has always been a false choice — the answer must be both. As more New Yorkers get vaccinated each day and as key public health metrics continue to regularly reach their lowest rates in months, the first-in-the-nation Excelsior Pass heralds the next step in our thoughtful, science-based reopening.”

The app, launched after two pilot demonstrations held in recent weeks, will use blockchain technology and encryption to ensure the health information is stored securely. To sign up, New Yorkers can register by downloading the app and inputting personal information to verify their identity. The app will then pull data from the state’s vaccine registry and a number of pre-approved COVID-19 testing companies.

Talk about Big Brother, discrimination, 4th Amendment and HIPAA violations that want the government and big business to know personal medical information for permission in merely entering a building. We knew this was coming though.

Andrew NDB

03-30-2021, 07:51 AM

But voter ID... totally racist.

Refractive Reflections

03-30-2021, 07:57 AM

From the same people from the New York government, who are also putting people like New York Commissioner Tracey A. Edwards (https://www3.dps.ny.gov/W/PSCWeb.nsf/All/07A47AF317B5DDEC85258427005544EE) to declare for people to trust the government. See at 27:20-28:01:
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"I'm not asking what's in the infusion,
I'm not looking up all of the ingredients in the infusion,
I'm sticking out my arm,
and I'm taking the infusion! And that's what we have to do!"

Coola Yagami

03-30-2021, 08:52 AM

IMJ

03-30-2021, 09:55 AM

But voter ID... totally racist.

Also, where are all of the angry leftist Dromer's screaming "believe women"? Cuomo has been accused of sexual misconduct by several people now.
Why isn't he stepping down? Where is the hate and outrage?

I want f'n heads.

mrmaczaps

03-30-2021, 10:00 AM

ssjup81

03-30-2021, 08:40 PM

I don't have a problem with this really. When the whole Small Pox thing was a thing, people carried around cards to prove they'd been vaccinated. At least it's not government mandated. It's up to companies if they require one to have it to use their facilities and it seems that getting these "Vaccine Passports", which have been around for years anyway, is an optional thing. I guess this also doesn't feel like a big deal, because there are times where you have to present your vaccination information that's also been done for years.

To enroll your kids in school, you need to share that information. You have to have a certain amount of vaccinations completed by Kindergarten, but I know some places don't require it. Probably private schools. Also, I think for most universities and colleges these days, where in-person instruction is done, they require vaccination information.

In order to enter certain countries, those people use "Vaccine Passports" (my aunt and uncle had to when they went on vacation in Africa, but forget which countries they visited).

If I'm not mistaken, military officers tend to have them since they do a lot of international travel.

For certain jobs you have to have your vaccination information presented to them to make sure you're up-to-date and if you do not have some of those vaccines, they order you to get one, or you can't work there (unless it's a medical reason why you can't get it). So yeah...I don't get what the big deal is, personally. Been doing this for all of our lives, practically.
But voter ID... totally racist.Don't get why people keep saying this. Voter ID isn't racist, but making it more difficult for some people is a bit prejudiced. For instance, where I live, the only thing we need to vote is any government issued ID. I sometimes use my driver's license and I have used my passport. For those who do not have either of those, they can use a utility bill addressed to the voter with the current address matching what's on the voter roll registration. It is a problem, though, if legislatures want to put in more strict rules as to what can be used and what cannot be or those who want to have multiple forms of ID just to cast a vote. For myself, I have two and my social security card, but everyone doesn't have those things. Not everyone drives and maybe they'd been using some other alternative to casting a vote. In Georgia, to my knowledge, for those who need state Voter IDs if they do not have the other forms of ID, it is free, which is fine, but they need a lot of documentation just to register for one, which would include having to pay for those things or even taking time out to go to city hall and stuff like that. IMO, to get a Voter ID, providing your social security number (as an alternative), name, and address should be enough to receive one. Some people do not have birth certificates or had them, and became lost over time. In the case of my cousin, the hospital she was born in doesn't exist anymore, so getting a copy of her birth certificate a few years ago was a hassle. Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm not sure if she ever managed to get another copy.

Another thing, the main issue I think most logical people were having a problem with regarding the bill was the cutting back of the hours, cutting back on early voting times, ditching the reason-free absentee voting set up that had been around since the early 2000s (iirc), limiting ballot boxes, limiting the amount of polling places in general even more than what they were, which tend to affect mostly areas with poc which creates super long waits, and getting rid of Sunday voting (which was good for those who work weekdays and for those who celebrate the Sabbath/day of worship on Fridays/Saturdays).Also, where are all of the angry leftist Dromer's screaming "believe women"? Cuomo has been accused of sexual misconduct by several people now.
Why isn't he stepping down? Where is the hate and outrage?

I want f'n heads.He's not stepping down because he's choosing not to. What can anyone do about that? People have been calling for him to step down, left and right.

IMJ

03-30-2021, 10:02 PM

He's not stepping down because he's choosing not to. What can anyone do about that? People have been calling for him to step down, left and right.

People were burning down buildings and assaulting people in the streets for less or the same.....

1987

03-31-2021, 01:25 PM

all these “debunked conspiracy theories” are coming true.

“imagine a vaccine so safe you have to be threatened to take it, for a disease so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it” -unknown

Leo656

03-31-2021, 01:41 PM

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IMJ

03-31-2021, 06:00 PM

They are introducing vaccine passports and other liberal-tracking nonsense and people are flowing to it. What are you going to do next year when you need your next series of vaccines and you stop suddenly and go "Durp but urt I got mine dah last year oneeee!"

When is it going to end? This vaccine isn't a one time thing. You are going to have to get it every year with the new strain.

I don't think people realize that this isn't like the measles when you were a kid with a one and done shot practically for life.

Refractive Reflections

03-31-2021, 09:14 PM

But why? If most everyone gets the vaccine won't corona go the way of the mumphs since there'll be noone left for it to infect? I mean by next year the Corona card is gonna be as useless as a Swine Flu card or a Bird Flu card.

In my opinion, not really.

1) COVID-19 is classified in the family of "coronavirus", and it's similar to the common cold (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Infection_in_humans) in which you can only vaccinate for a strain or closely related to it. For example, take the flu shot for the common cold. It has to be made every year because the cumulative effect of the viral mutations leads to different strains, and researchers have to predict which strains will be global as they develop the flu shot.

The development of vaccines for the common cold has been difficult because of antigenic variability of the common cold virus and the indistinguishable multiple other viruses and even bacteria acting as infective agents. There is uncertainty regarding the efficacy and safety of interventions for preventing the common cold in healthy people. This is an update of a Cochrane review first published in 2011 and previously updated in 2013.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6481390/

It wouldn't surprise me that these new variants from South Africa, the UK, and etc. might trigger a perpetual cycle of new vaccines for other variants just to profit Big Pharma.

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2) But don't put too much faith in Big Pharma's vaccine trials though...

"Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designed To Succeed" by William A. Haseltine of Forbes Magazine
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/?sh=cae916652479

Vaccine efficacy is typically proved by large clinical trials over several years. The pharmaceutical companies intend to do trials ranging from thirty thousand to sixty thousand participants. This scale of study would be sufficient for testing vaccine efficacy. The first surprise found upon a closer reading of the protocols reveals that each study intends to complete interim and primary analyses that at most include 164 participants.

These companies likely intend to apply for an emergency use authorization (EUA) from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) with just their limited preliminary results.
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The second surprise from these protocols is how mild the requirements for contracted Covid-19 symptoms are. A careful reading reveals that the minimum qualification for a case of Covid-19 is a positive PCR test and one or two mild symptoms. These include headache, fever, cough, or mild nausea. This is far from adequate. These vaccine trials are testing to prevent common cold symptoms.

One of the more immediate questions a trial needs to answer is whether a vaccine prevents infection. If someone takes this vaccine, are they far less likely to become infected with the virus? These trials all clearly focus on eliminating symptoms of Covid-19, and not infections themselves. Asymptomatic infection is listed as a secondary objective in these trials when they should be of critical importance.

It appears that all the pharmaceutical companies assume that the vaccine will never prevent infection. Their criteria for approval is the difference in symptoms between an infected control group and an infected vaccine group. They do not measure the difference between infection and noninfection as a primary motivation.

A greater concern for the millions of older people and those with preexisting conditions is whether these trials test the vaccine's ability to prevent severe illness and death. Again we find that severe illness and death are only secondary objectives in these trials. None list the prevention of death and hospitalization as a critically important barrier.

If total infections, hospitalizations, and death are going to be ignored in the preliminary trials of the vaccines, then there must be phase four testing to monitor their safety and efficacy. This would be long term massive scale monitoring of the vaccine. There must be an indication that the authorized vaccines are reducing infection, hospitalization, and death, or else they will not be able to stop this pandemic.

These protocols do not emphasize the most important ramifications of Covid-19 that people are most interested in preventing: overall infection, hospitalization, and death. It boggles the mind and defies common sense that the National Institute of Health, the Center for Disease Control, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, and the rest would consider the approval of a vaccine that would be distributed to hundreds of millions on such slender threads of success.

It appears that these trials are intended to pass the lowest possible barrier of success. As this is being written, the FDA is poised to announce tougher standards for a Covid-19 vaccine in the near future. It is my hope that these new standards for an EUA will at a minimum include requirements for protections from infection itself, protections from severe virus-related disease leading to hospitalization, and a significant improvement in Covid-19 related mortality.

It is clear from these studies that the vaccines currently under trial will not be the silver bullet needed to end the pandemic. We must do all we can public health measures to control Covid-19 as China and other Asian countries have successfully done.

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3) Add to the fact that you can not sue Big Pharma for any adverse reactions from the COVID vaccine:
"You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won’t compensate you for damages either" by MacKenzie Sigalos of CNBC
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

Under the PREP Act, companies like Pfizer and Moderna have total immunity from liability if something unintentionally goes wrong with their vaccines.
A little-known government program provides benefits to people who can prove they suffered serious injury from a vaccine.
That program rarely pays, covering just 29 claims over the last decade.

Under the PREP Act, companies like Pfizer and Moderna have total immunity from liability if something unintentionally goes wrong with their vaccines. If you experience severe side effects after getting a Covid vaccine, lawyers tell CNBC there is basically no one to blame in a U.S. court of law. The federal government has granted companies like Pfizer and Moderna immunity from liability if something unintentionally goes wrong with their vaccines. “It is very rare for a blanket immunity law to be passed,” said Rogge Dunn, a Dallas labor and employment attorney. “Pharmaceutical companies typically aren’t offered much liability protection under the law.“

You also can’t sue the Food and Drug Administration for authorizing a vaccine for emergency use, nor can you hold your employer accountable if they mandate inoculation as a condition of employment.

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4) Then there's also the emergence of "breakthrough cases" in which some of those who are vaccinated, are still getting COVID-19. Now whether these are new variants, or as the Forbes article suggested a mediocre vaccine is a whole other area of investigation.
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Therefore, it's understandable for some people to be very reluctant to have this COVID vaccine with this new novel mRNA approach, if one takes an overall viewpoint of the whole matter. ...Though you won't see these news stories, or this perspective, on the national evening news from the mainstream media.

Mayhem

04-01-2021, 02:51 AM

Leo656

04-01-2021, 06:53 PM

Double-R needs to post more. This place needs more common sense.

Galactus

04-01-2021, 07:08 PM

Double-R needs to post more. This place needs more common sense.

Promoting conspiracy theories that evil Jews are weakening the white race by degrading traditional marriage is not common sense.

IMJ

04-01-2021, 07:21 PM

In my opinion, not really.

1) COVID-19 is classified in the family of "coronavirus", and it's similar to the common cold (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Infection_in_humans) in which you can only vaccinate for a strain or closely related to it. For example, take the flu shot for the common cold. It has to be made every year because the cumulative effect of the viral mutations leads to different strains, and researchers have to predict which strains will be global as they develop the flu shot.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6481390/

It wouldn't surprise me that these new variants from South Africa, the UK, and etc. might trigger a perpetual cycle of new vaccines for other variants just to profit Big Pharma.

------------
2) But don't put too much faith in Big Pharma's vaccine trials though...

"Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designed To Succeed" by William A. Haseltine of Forbes Magazine
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/?sh=cae916652479

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3) Add to the fact that you can not sue Big Pharma for any adverse reactions from the COVID vaccine:
"You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won’t compensate you for damages either" by MacKenzie Sigalos of CNBC
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

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4) Then there's also the emergence of "breakthrough cases" in which some of those who are vaccinated, are still getting COVID-19. Now whether these are new variants, or as the Forbes article suggested a mediocre vaccine is a whole other area of investigation.
JnmN2WrU8pE

Therefore, it's understandable for some people to be very reluctant to have this COVID vaccine with this new novel mRNA approach, if one takes an overall viewpoint of the whole matter. ...Though you won't see these news stories, or this perspective, on the national evening news from the mainstream media.

Great post, man. Much the same position I was taking right above you.

Double-R needs to post more. This place needs more common sense.

Agreed. But see we used to do that more here. But for my part in it I still make the same points but I don't want to contain the vitriol at all in certain circumstances because academic points don't matter here when it comes to the target audience here. They will say it matters, but they are lying as a matter of convenience. If you let the vitriol out, they'll say you make points without support, if you make points with support they'll just say what's easiest to counter that.

I'm past the point of pure academia, although I'm still on life experience. Where it goes from there though just gets darker. :lol:

Leo656

04-01-2021, 07:23 PM

Promoting conspiracy theories that evil Jews are weakening the white race by degrading traditional marriage is not common sense.

I think you're confusing Reflections with FWLeonardo. FWL is the outspoken anti-Semite, RR simply speaks the truth.

It's pretty funny how Reflections posts stuff that is all very easily looked up and proven, and some people just "Nope" it because they don't like the message.

Remember that nutcase ex-Mod who used to give me sh*t for not posting sources because I have better sh*t to do than spend my entire day on Google? Yeah, turns out that's not what the issue is, the issue is that people on The Left disregard any factual evidence that runs counter to their nonsense. Because Reflections goes out of his way to present factual evidence of This or That and people still go "Nah, I don't think that's right." In spite of the mountain of evidence that yeah, he is right.

Good thing Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings, as a "controversial" wise man once (and often) said.

Galactus

04-01-2021, 07:28 PM

I think you're confusing Reflections with FWLeonardo. FWL is the outspoken anti-Semite, RR simply speaks the truth.

If that's true then I owe RR an apology for the mix up.

If you're reading Refractive Reflections I'm sorry.

IMJ

04-01-2021, 07:38 PM

I think you're confusing Reflections with FWLeonardo. FWL is the outspoken anti-Semite, RR simply speaks the truth.

It's pretty funny how Reflections posts stuff that is all very easily looked up and proven, and some people just "Nope" it because they don't like the message.

Happens to me here all the time, dude. It's like some of us have discussed privately. The more galvanizing you are in your points, the more the trouble-making, weak-link snowflakes just meltdown. It proves that between level head's there's a lot to be said and that between ultra liberal nuts and the "life angry" there is no real conversation. There is only their "life angry" vengeance. Like said ex-mod....

Iemember that nutcase ex-Mod who used to give me sh*t for not posting sources because I have better sh*t to do than spend my entire day on Google? Yeah, turns out that's not what the issue is, the issue is that people on The Left disregard any factual evidence that runs counter to their nonsense.

This was the same position that another.... poster.... here on the forums recently took with me. Except that it was worse because I cite facts and hands on experience all the time.

You want a secret to operating in confidence? You know your opposition is full of $#!( and has no education when they demand sources for everything that is otherwise common sense, or personally experiential. I think you learn what and whatnot requires citing in English 100 where they teach you to write the three paragraph essay for God's sake. But some people just weaponize "cite" as an attack.

I agree with you regarding what you've said about Reflections posts here, but full transparency - I'm internalizing it because let's face it - I... ahem... mirror ahem Reflections point making all day long on these forums. But I used to be tolerant here. Now I'm just pissed off at these MF'ers.

mrmaczaps

04-02-2021, 01:09 PM

When did the drome get so red pilled? Seems like that used to be the minority around here....

sdp

04-02-2021, 01:28 PM

When did the drome get so red pilled? Seems like that used to be the minority around here....
everyone else was driven away and now it's an echo chamber of the same old people ranting at clouds

IMJ

04-02-2021, 01:48 PM

When did the drome get so red pilled? Seems like that used to be the minority around here....

It's easy to hide fear of a topic by ignoring it, but it's easier to hide cowardice of a topic by trampling on valid conversation by trying to discredit it.

Maybe we do have more of an "echo chamber" here now because normal thinkers got sick of the extreme leftist nonsense here and pushed back on the vitriol - first with conversation, then with facts and then finally with their own vitrol when nothing else worked. Which is completely reasonable considering we are talking about a group that hated on a group of people based on their vote to the point of mania for years, supported the destruction of city areas, and were beating people on the streets from behind in the back of the head at random, and doing anything they could to tear down any establishment that makes a country function normally and successfully for everyone. All while justifying their actions through the most uninformed, non-experiential opinions & thought processes many of us have ever seen.

Maybe the lingering few of you here should try to compute that for a while before you fire back from your f'n keyboards.

Leo656

04-02-2021, 09:48 PM

Maybe we do have more of an "echo chamber" here now because normal thinkers got sick of the extreme leftist nonsense here and pushed back on the vitriol - first with conversation, then with facts and then finally with their own vitriol when nothing else worked.

Yep.

For my part, I certainly wasn't gonna sit through any lectures on goodness and morality from Certain People who would say, without irony, things like "It's totally okay to cheat on your partner and it doesn't make you a bad person", when No It Isn't and Yeah It Totally Does. Or "My enjoyment of A Thing increases exponentially by how much it makes certain people angry. I love drinking Salty Male Tears." Sh*t like that. People like that can take their "progressive" ideas and cram them in whatever orifice they choose. They're not missed. And sooner or later, SANE people are inevitably gonna get sick of Those People pretending they stand on some kind of Moral High Ground. They're degenerates, and they're insufferable. And when people finally had enough of their bullsh*t, they ran back to their little Twitter safe space because they can't handle being told out loud, "No, you're absolutely, provably full of sh*t. And you're also a Bad Person."

Good f*cking riddance.

And not to speak for anyone else, but I think maczaps was just thinking out loud with his comment. He's quite clearly the most right-leaning person on the entire forum. :lol: For whatever that is worth to any individual. I'm actually way more in the middle than I come across, it's just Certain Things I skew more to the Right on and Those Things just have a habit of coming up more often in the conversation around here.

mrmaczaps

04-03-2021, 08:35 PM

And not to speak for anyone else, but I think maczaps was just thinking out loud with his comment. He's quite clearly the most right-leaning person on the entire forum. :lol: For whatever that is worth to any individual. I'm actually way more in the middle than I come across, it's just Certain Things I skew more to the Right on and Those Things just have a habit of coming up more often in the conversation around here.

Mostly I'm just shocked cuz I left the forums for a while because any time I voiced an opinion or offered facts & evidence to prove a point, I was attacked. Not just by people publicly but a few people PM'd me with a few loosely veiled threats. Not that I took those serious or care cuz I'm armed for bear & zombies, but because it gets old after a while.

Its nice seeing that other grew a backbone & are sick of the sh¡t from the woke mob.

And yeah, I know sometimes I just say "x" and that pisses people off but I'm not a candy bar so I ain't around to sugar coat sh¡t. I stand on the side of Freedom.

Sumac

04-03-2021, 09:49 PM

Here in Russia some governors wanted to make COVID passports for people who took the jab, but Kremlin disagreed with them and this idea was buried. Most likely they saw potential for a civil unrest, if people on top of the other problems would be demanded to receive COVID passports. Not to mention most Russian don't trust our vaccines.

As for why next to no lefties here: snowflakes have melted.
Those people have only few methods of discussion: lie and misrepresent your arguments, appeal to emotions or simply ban you. First and second works only if they majority (they do not have a majority here), third works only when they have power (they do not have power here).

And since they are so fragile that even mentioning opposing points in passing might trigger them to scream "violence", they naturally break down and escape when they encounter a real opposition.

Zulithe

04-03-2021, 11:23 PM

Andrew NDB

04-03-2021, 11:26 PM

appeal to emotions

Yeah, that really gets old for me.

mrmaczaps

04-04-2021, 05:46 PM

before covid-19, I was getting sick all the time. I have to ride public transit to/from work and people in the USA are incredibly self-centered in how they act, so if they happen to be sick on a bus/train it's everyone else's problem. And if a sick person did board, most people would just ignore it and act like it's no big deal, even though they could be catching something right then and there.

One thing I'm very thankful in this post-covid-19 world is I think that has now changed, at least for the near term (and hopefully forever.) People need to be more considerate in public about getting other people sick, rather that be covid-19, the flu, common cold, or whatever else you might be carrying. If you know you are sick, you have a responsibility to not spread it to the best of your ability.

So as an extension of that, I'm fine with some form of proof that you have had important vaccinations in order to do certain things, such as travel on a plane.

"I'm fine with medical tyranny."

Sorry bub. I'm not. I'm not sick and have not been sick and therefore cannot make you sick & will not get the vaccine for a sickness I do not have and can't pass on to others, that could kill me or make me seriously ill as it has not been fully tested over YEARS & PROVEN to be SAFE & EFFECTIVE. There are, however, naturally occurring supplements out there that have been PROVEN to work that keeps the flu (covid) at its least harmful if you have it and no serious, life altering or life ending side effects.

I never get the flu vaccine. I did once and the shot made me damn near deathly ill. Haven't since and will not. Big Pharma is NOT your friend. They WANT sick people, not healthy. There is no money in curing illness. I could write (& did, but deleted it) a long @$$ story about why I don't trust Big Pharma or the current level medical industry but its pointless if you have your head in your @$$.

You cannot legislate morals. People who don't give a crap about anyone but themselves (those folks you say that get on public transport while sick) won't ever care no matter what law or rule is in place (much like most politicians on either side). You are responsible for you. Wear a mask, gloves or a full hazmat if you feel safer that way but forcing a vaccine on people is tyrannical and should never occur.

On the flip side, if you still think of those people who refuse the vax as lesser people, then flip it to pregnant women and try your argument. The government can now force you to either get pregnant against your will or abort your child at their will and either way, you have no say.

Or lets say, you cut your dominate hand/arm. Now the Government steps in and decides "eh, ain't worth fixing it so just cut it off"... Now you're down an arm. Or leg. Or insert whichever favorite body part you have. Lol.

I get that people are scared of covid but shut off the damn tv. Stop reading the local paper. Stop being afraid of your own shadow.

F¤ck it. Rant done. No one is reading all that anyways. Lol

mrmaczaps

04-04-2021, 05:46 PM

everyone else was driven away and now it's an echo chamber of the same old people ranting at clouds

You're still here. Lucky us... :lol:

IMJ

04-04-2021, 09:43 PM

Its nice seeing that other grew a backbone & are sick of the sh¡t from the woke mob.

This is how I conducted myself since day one, but also in respectful conversation. I even used to try to keep conversation smooth between some of the stunted f's that come here, calling for patience, explaining that you never know who is posting here - some handicapped person, some lifelong retail rat who has formed opinions but has no valid experiences outside of their tiny bubble. You can search the forums, I literally used to call for patience on it. But as that became more impossible with lefties lying, twisting facts, condescending replies that weren't even in truth; I stopped conversing and just started flinging truth. Those people are disingenuous liars for whatever personal psychology they have. Don't believe them.

And since they are so fragile that even mentioning opposing points in passing might trigger them to scream "violence", they naturally break down and escape when they encounter a real opposition.

Either that or they are so far gone they are playing the martyr when they leave. As if they are taking some high road or something. Let them think what they want. I want f'n heads now. That's where I'm at.

mrmaczaps

04-05-2021, 09:50 AM

This is how I conducted myself since day one, but also in respectful conversation. I even used to try to keep conversation smooth between some of the stunted f's that come here, calling for patience, explaining that you never know who is posting here - some handicapped person, some lifelong retail rat who has formed opinions but has no valid experiences outside of their tiny bubble. You can search the forums, I literally used to call for patience on it. But as that became more impossible with lefties lying, twisting facts, condescending replies that weren't even in truth; I stopped conversing and just started flinging truth. Those people are disingenuous liars for whatever personal psychology they have. Don't believe them.

Either that or they are so far gone they are playing the martyr when they leave. As if they are taking some high road or something. Let them think what they want. I want f'n heads now. That's where I'm at.

Pretty much why I stay pointed & direct. There is no point sugar coating anything for the weak minded msm/liberal zombies. I'm the same way in real life too.

Leofan26

04-05-2021, 01:13 PM

Sumac

04-05-2021, 01:36 PM

You just know States like Texas and Florida will make a big deal about this idea but pretty sure Joe Biden will like the idea.
If he remembers where those places are or who he is. :lol:

Leo656

04-05-2021, 02:00 PM

Lest we forget all the people who weren't sick until they GOT the vaccine, a few of whom even died. They were Perfectly Fine all year beforehand until the Magic Shot made them sick and/or killed them. "Whoops".

Let's not over-simplify this sh*t. Any human being is perfectly within their rights to have been (and stayed) suspicious at Every Single Step of this fiasco going back to Winter 2019. They're right to be suspicious about where the virus supposedly came from, they're right to be suspicious about how it develops/spreads, they're right to be suspicious about how severe it is, they're right to be suspicious about any "official" information coming out (since so much of it is and has been contradictory), and they're right to be suspicious of a vaccine that was rushed through development with a minimum of testing in order to score political points and make the ex-President look bad.

When they still don't even know if their Magic Shot is dangerous to pregnant women or still-developing infants, People Are Right To Be Suspicious.

When otherwise-healthy people abruptly got sick or dropped dead after getting the Magic Shot, People Are Right To be Suspicious.

When the year is a quarter over with and they still don't know if you're going to still need to get one or two Magic Shots every single year for the rest of time in order to be "safe", People Are Right To Be Suspicious.

When your government is making the Magic Shot mandatory, and neither you nor your family can hold ANYONE at fault or be compensated in ANY way if you get sick or even die after getting it, then guess what? People Are Right To Be Suspicious.

The fact that some people are 100% willing to ignore all common sense because "Well, they wouldn't LIE to us, would they?" is pretty disheartening. The problem with looking at the world through rose-colored glasses is that all the Red Flags just look like regular flags. But there are way too many to ignore or handwave, just because some people think getting a shot is going to magically make all of this go away.

mrmaczaps

04-05-2021, 02:31 PM

Meh the only ones that will have issues with is anti vaccine people, sucks to be them. Me and my entire family all got ours so will be fine with this. I think amusement parks should do this as well honestly than will know they'll be a safer place to hang out in. You just know States like Texas and Florida will make a big deal about this idea but pretty sure Joe Biden will like the idea.

Get in the boxcar, for your safety.... You realize YOU are the POS, right? The vaccine isn't a cure. And people that have been vaccinated HAVE gotten covid again, while masked & distanced from people.

And Joe Biden is mentally checked out. He is just a puppet. At some point, after its too late, you will be forced across a line you find disgusting & there won't be anyone left to save your stupid @ss.

mrmaczaps

04-05-2021, 02:35 PM

IMJ

04-05-2021, 05:32 PM

Again, I said it a few pages back but.. you know IGNOOORREEDDD! by the onboarders - but I think it's a pretty valid consideration for people to realize that this vaccine isn't a one and done.

Wouldn't it be completely different if this was like the measles? One shot and we wiped it out for developed humanity? That's good.

But this isn't like that. So we are going to get on board for this brand new, unproven chemical to be mainlined, and you did what? Contributed? Do you get a flu shot every year? Some of you might, sure but just as many or more will lie and say yes to defend their Covid position when in fact they are just scared and will on board with anything that brings them peace.

And so to be clear for the confirmation-bias-lefties - I'm not an anti-vaxxer and I'm not building a pyre against this vaccine. But I am saying that it's a deeply personal choice and the fact is if you haven't lived your life getting a flu shot every year, then why are you getting this one? Are you going to get the next one next year? And after that? Because if not, why are you having this pumped into your veins?

I'm not rejecting it, but I would like answers for these things before I get jabbed. I would like answers because I don't believe for a minute that some of you here who got that shot already considered what I said above, yet you'll go on about "anti-vaxxers" which diminishes the real questions about this thing.

Andrew NDB

04-05-2021, 05:35 PM

IMJ

04-05-2021, 05:56 PM

I listened about some studies that say if you get the vaccine, even if you come down with one of the new strains later on or your immune levels drop to where you can just get the same strain again and then you do... in either case, it apparently wouldn't be as severe as it would if you hadn't gotten the original vaccine at all.

That makes a little sense, I guess.

Okay so if that's true, then the current vaccine is predicted to have some efficacy against future strains, maybe diminishing the effects a bit.

Yeah alright if that's true that's a good reason to get on board. Sure.

But now my question is where is the leftist brain trust who could've added that to normal conversation? My guess? They didn't know. They didn't give any of this any consideration, but they'll "yell at clouds" about anti-vaxxers. Fools.

mrmaczaps

04-07-2021, 10:24 AM

Getting the vaccine doesn't prevent catching covid. Some folks out there have gotten it despite the jab and more than a few have gotten it very bad just the same as not getting jabbed. Its cleared for emergency use which means humans are the test subjects.

Then there are these pcr tests which were supposed to test for just covid, but the data collection range was set so high, anything & everything flu related has been deemed covid.

I'm not anti vaxx. I was vaccinated as a child. All those shots. I got the flu shot one time & was ill for over 3 months time. I've never gotten the flu shot since & not had the flu since. I'm anti THIS test drug which could kill me or further disable me.

For us to get back to living, just throw away the MFing masks. Enough people have gotten the jab that NOW is the time to stop masking up to prevent the variants from causing havoc & further deaths. States that have already opened PROVE masks HARMLESS.

1987

04-07-2021, 02:01 PM

if it is racist to require id to vote then by that logic it is racist to force-vaccinate citizens and require vaccination id, just like they’ve been force-masking us for a year now. the real “nazis” are the corrupt government who support masks, lockdowns, blm terrorists, voter fraud, vaccine passports

our commie dictator governor in california says all covid restrictions will be lifted in june but the mask mandate will remain, like wtf? that makes no sense. mask MANdate means they still want to control you like communists. masks are useless virtue signaling political statements

Andrew NDB

04-07-2021, 03:42 PM

"There's no widespread voter fraud."

How would you know that, if you don't require ID?

teemu

04-08-2021, 07:09 AM

The experimental MRNA "vaccine" is not even a vaccine (It's been admitted). It changes and "programs" your DNA and turns your own immune system against you! You would have to be pretty dumb to take it. Deaths (which you'll never see or hear through mainstream media) been reported from multiple sources of Deaths just days after from taking this experimental poison! Don't be a Guinea Pig! and stop being conned by a so called "virus" that has never been Isolated, verified, or purified (from CDC'S/FDA owns website) Wake the F up people!!!

Andrew NDB

04-08-2021, 08:46 PM

https://i.ibb.co/z6PbmKn/FB-IMG-1617932690299.jpg

ChosenOne

04-08-2021, 10:03 PM

if it is racist to require id to vote (...)

Sounds far more racist to just assume POC are too dumb/incapable/what-have-you to get themselves some damn ID.

"There's no widespread voter fraud."

From the same school of thought as "I'm innocent, your honor! Honest!"...

Coola Yagami

04-09-2021, 03:03 AM

Sounds far more racist to just assume POC are too dumb/incapable/what-have-you to get themselves some damn ID.

It kinda is, but at the same time well.... Prove them wrong, STFU and get the ID. Unless you really are too stupid and/or incapable but that would be more a 'you' problem. The only way to break the stereotype is to prove them wrong.

Mayhem

04-09-2021, 03:33 AM

It's not the fact you need ID to vote that's racist, it's the strange "coincidence" that you pass strciter laws on requiring iD, what it can be, and must be produced, and then make it harder for certain sections of the population to acquire said valid ID, where they can vote, how they can vote and the what not. That's the racist part.

Andrew NDB

04-09-2021, 04:56 AM

Refractive Reflections

04-10-2021, 12:04 AM

Point #4 is duh, of course, because no vaccine is claiming 100% immunity. So you would expect a small percentage of people immunised are still going to contract Covid afterwards. But the argue points are valid, until more testing, you can't tell if that's due to not being effective for that person, or it's a strain that the vaccine isn't able to handle.

As for point #3, that's the one that the missus and myself were like "woah" when he heard in the US. If you happen to be one of those SooL on the jab, you've got no one to blame and no one to help you. That's bad.

That is true that no vaccine gives 100% immunity, but considering how novel this mRNA vaccine is, and that it has been give EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) status. Is it really worth taking the vaccine then?

There's more local news stories of breakthrough cases if you are interested:
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1) In a New York Times article, titled "Plan to Ditch The Mask After Vaccination? Not So Fast." This portion made me suspicious, even from what Dr. Anthony Fauci himself stated in it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/03/health/coronavirus-vaccination-transmission.html

But most Americans are still unvaccinated, and more than 1,500 people are dying every day. So given the uncertainty around transmission, even people who are immunized must continue to protect others by wearing masks, experts said.

“They should wear masks until we actually prove that vaccines prevent transmission,” said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

Uh...what? "Actually prove"? :-? It reinforces the second point I made from the Forbes article I cited earlier (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1887221&postcount=12), about how the vaccine studies for emergency use authorization does not answer the most crucial concern about prevent transmission of COVID-19 altogether.

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2) As much as the mainstream media wants to encourage how safe and effective this vaccine is, if you read the fine print on the vaccine, it will state that it is not FDA approved and not FDA-approved to prevent COVID-19. Take for example this statement right on the Moderna website (https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/):

*The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine has not been approved or licensed by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), but has been authorized for emergency use by FDA, under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for use in individuals 18 years of age and older. There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19.

*The EUA for the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is in effect for the duration of the COVID-19 EUA declaration justifying emergency use of the product, unless the declaration is terminated or the authorization is revoked sooner.

I mean shouldn't that give someone at least some pause before rushing to the pharmacy to schedule a vaccination?

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3) Back in December 2020, Yahoo! News was warning against those with severe allergic reactions, pregnant women, and children from getting the Pfizer vaccine (https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-3-groups-advised-not-pfizer-vaccine-114923030.html?guccounter=1) because this vaccine was so new.

This line was particularly concerning:

Pregnant women
According to advice from the government’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), a lack of evidence around the safety of COVID-19 vaccines in pregnancy means it does not advise that women have the jab.

It says: “There are no data as yet on the safety of COVID-19 vaccines in pregnancy, either from human or animal studies.

“Given the lack of evidence, JCVI favours a precautionary approach, and does not currently advise COVID-19 vaccination in pregnancy.”

I know they are starting trials now with pregnant women (https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210222/pfizer-starts-covid-accine-trials-in-pregnant-women), but it's Russian Roulette in my opinion.
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4) I find it very patronizing to the African-American community when you have the mainstream media having to emphasize that the COVID vaccine was developed by a black woman. As if not having the same race is going to be the only barrier to getting the vaccine. See below:
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Back in the Tuskegee study (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study), they used a African-American nurse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_Rivers_Laurie) (i.e. Eunice Rivers Laurie) to gain the trust of the African-Americans too.
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5) I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but the rush of developing a vaccine without long-term trials that typically take 5-10 years (from John Hopkin's University (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline)):
A typical vaccine development timeline takes 5 to 10 years, and sometimes longer, to assess whether the vaccine is safe and efficacious in clinical trials, complete the regulatory approval processes, and manufacture sufficient quantity of vaccine doses for widespread distribution.

...and the rush of "impending doom" seems awfully suspicious in repeating history:

(Poor Video Quality) Mike Wallace (60 Minutes) Exposes Swine Flu Pandemic & Vaccine Fallout of 1976:
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If YouTube takes it down, here's a higher video quality clip of it on Bitchute:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/1K3N5kgELCBc/

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Double-R needs to post more. This place needs more common sense.

I think you're confusing Reflections with FWLeonardo. FWL is the outspoken anti-Semite, RR simply speaks the truth.

It's pretty funny how Reflections posts stuff that is all very easily looked up and proven, and some people just "Nope" it because they don't like the message.

Remember that nutcase ex-Mod who used to give me sh*t for not posting sources because I have better sh*t to do than spend my entire day on Google? Yeah, turns out that's not what the issue is, the issue is that people on The Left disregard any factual evidence that runs counter to their nonsense. Because Reflections goes out of his way to present factual evidence of This or That and people still go "Nah, I don't think that's right." In spite of the mountain of evidence that yeah, he is right.

Good thing Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings, as a "controversial" wise man once (and often) said.

Thanks Leo. :) I'm blushing. :lol:
It's just with so many opposing viewpoints about the COVID-19 virus pathology, policies, and treatment all being censored. It brings up suspicion for me, I mean if what they are saying is so foolish and outlandish, the internet will mock, ridicule, and discredit them. Big Tech and the government doesn't need to enact censorship. The truth will eventually rise to the surface.

I wanted to post here at least some credibility to the opposing viewpoint against the mainstream media, so at least those here and whoever reads, will at least know ALL that's happening and make their decision.

For example, how the mainstream media was discrediting those on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine was as if they were crackpots, etc. Well there is actual scientific literature stating hydroxychloroquine's effectiveness on coronavirus/COVID-19, and I believe should at least be explored/research further.

Treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and combination in patients hospitalized with COVID-19. International Journal of Infectious Disesases. July 2 2020

Abstract
Significance: The United States is in an acceleration phase of the COVID-19 pandemic. Currently there is no known effective therapy or vaccine for treatment of SARS-CoV-2, highlighting urgency around identifying effective therapies.

Objective: The purpose of this study was to evaluate the role of hydroxychloroquine therapy alone and in combination with azithromycin in hospitalized patients positive for COVID-19.
....
Exposure: Receipt of hydroxychloroquine alone, hydroxychloroquine in combination with azithromycin, azithromycin alone, or neither.

Conclusions and relevance: In this multi-hospital assessment, when controlling for COVID-19 risk factors, treatment with hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with reduction in COVID-19 associated mortality. Prospective trials are needed to examine this impact.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32623082/

Risk Factors for Mortality in Patients with COVID-19 in New York City. Journal of General Internal Medicine. June 30 2020

Background
New York City emerged as an epicenter of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic.

Objective
To describe the clinical characteristics and risk factors associated with mortality in a large patient population in the USA.

Design
Retrospective cohort study.
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Conclusions
Among patients with COVID-19, older age, male sex, hypotension, tachypnea, hypoxia, impaired renal function, elevated D-dimer, and elevated troponin were associated with increased in-hospital mortality and hydroxychloroquine use was associated with decreased in-hospital mortality.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11606-020-05983-z

If that's true then I owe RR an apology for the mix up.

If you're reading Refractive Reflections I'm sorry.

It's okay, in the forums long enough will give anyone a tough skin. :lol: I appreciate the apology.

mrmaczaps

04-10-2021, 12:04 PM

Except it doesn't do any of those things. And there have been exactly 0 cases of anyone saying "I was unable to vote!" because of such things.

That and some states will give you a photo ID for FREE if you can show the need & lack of means to pay for one.

Last I knew, a State ID was $5 or $10 here in Maine.... a pack of smokes is what, $8 these days? Skip a pack & get a photo ID.

Refractive Reflections

04-13-2021, 06:05 PM

Just wanted to post these stories in case some haven't heard of them:

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1)
States rush to replace J&J vaccine appointments after FDA recommends pause by Kevin Breuniger April 13 2021 CNBC

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/13/states-rush-to-replace-jj-vaccine-appointments-after-fda-recommends-pause.html

Key Points:
*More than two dozen states took steps to halt inoculations with Johnson & Johnson’s coronavirus vaccine.

*Those actions came after the FDA and CDC recommended a pause in the use of J&J’s vaccine after six women in the U.S., out of the nearly 7 million who have received the vaccine, developed a rare blood clotting disorder.

*For appointments with J&J’s vaccine scheduled for Tuesday, New York vaccination sites will use Pfizer’s version in its place, a top health official in the state said.

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2)
Major European Nations Suspend Use of AstraZeneca Vaccine by Associated Press March 15 2021 U.S. News

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2021-03-15/germany-suspends-astrazeneca-vaccine-amid-clotting-concerns

BERLIN (AP) — A cascading number of European countries — including Germany, France, Italy and Spain — suspended use of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine Monday over reports of dangerous blood clots in some recipients, though the company and international regulators say there is no evidence the shot is to blame.

AstraZeneca's formula is one of three vaccines in use on the continent. But the escalating concern is another setback for the European Union's vaccination drive, which has been plagued by shortages and other hurdles and is lagging well behind the campaigns in Britain and the U.S.

The EU's drug regulatory agency called a meeting for Thursday to review experts' findings on the AstraZeneca shot and decide whether action needs to be taken.

The furor comes as much of Europe is tightening restrictions on schools and businesses amid surging cases of COVID-19.

Germany's health minister said the decision to suspend AstraZeneca shots was taken on the advice of the country's vaccine regulator, the Paul Ehrlich Institute, which called for further investigation into seven cases of clots in the brains of people who had been vaccinated.

“Today’s decision is a purely precautionary measure,” Jens Spahn said.

French President Emmanuel Macron said his country will likewise stop dispensing the vaccine until at least Tuesday afternoon. Italy also announced a temporary ban, as did Spain, Portugal and Slovenia. Other countries that have done so over the past few days include Denmark, which was the first, as well as Ireland, Thailand, the Netherlands, Norway, Iceland, Congo and Bulgaria. Canada and Britain are standing by the vaccine for now.

In the coming weeks, AstraZeneca is expected to apply for U.S. authorization of its vaccine. The U.S. now relies on Pfizer's, Moderna's and Johnson & Johnson's shots. AstraZeneca said there have been 37 reports of blood clots out of more than 17 million people vaccinated in the 27-country EU and Britain. The drugmaker said there is no evidence the vaccine carries an increased risk of clots.

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3)
Women say they are having heavier and more painful PERIODS since getting their COVID-19 vaccines - as several claim it has also messed up their monthly cycle
by Carly Stern 7 April 2021, DailyMail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9446907/Some-women-report-heavier-painful-PERIODS-getting-COVID-19-vaccine.html

*Dr. Kate Clancy, a University of Illinois associate professor, said that she'd heard people had experienced changes in their menstruation since getting vaccinated

*Her tweet prompted other women to share changes to their own periods
Several reported that they were bleeding more heavily and for longer than they had before getting the vaccine

*A few said they began menstruating in the middle of their cycles, days or weeks before they were supposed to

*Experts aren't sure why some women might see changes to their periods, and so far there is not enough data to know whether it is connected to the vaccine

*A small study this year found that some participants saw changes to their menstruation after contracting the virus

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Period changes possible after getting COVID-19 vaccine by NBC2 News, 13 April 2021

https://nbc-2.com/news/health/covid/2021/04/12/period-changes-possible-after-covid-19-vaccine/

FORT MYERS, Fla. — As people around the world get vaccinated against coronavirus, some have said period changes were an unexpected side effect.

After Katherine Lee got her COVID-19 vaccine, she talked with a colleague about side effects. They expected side effects like injection site pain and a slight fever, but they both noticed a strange symptom: their menstrual cycles changed. Lee talked with other people who got periods, and she heard that they also experienced flows that came earlier, felt heavier, or just seemed abnormal.

“The menstrual cycle is a really flexible and dynamic process and it responds to a lot of different things in life like stress, physical or mental or immune changes,” Lee, the post-doctoral scholar in the public health sciences division at the University of Washington School of Medicine in St. Louis, said. “The menstrual cycle is supposed to respond and adapt.”

Lee reached out to her grad school professor, Kathryn Clancy, head of the Clancy Lab at the University of Illinois, which focuses on women’s health research. She mentioned the period changes and Clancy was interested. Then she received her first dose.

“A little after a week after this first Moderna dose and I had never had a period that was so heavy — not even in my 20s when I was having a really heavy cycle,” Clancy said. Clancy shared her experience on Twitter and people kept the conversation going with stories of their own period changes.

“A lot of people had noticed something but hadn’t heard anything about (menstrual changes) being a side effect,” Lee said. “So many things could impact people’s menstrual experiences. So, we just thought if this is a side effect of … this type of vaccine it would be good for people to be prepared.”

Both researchers said that they are pro-vaccine and they’re conducting the research to understand the full range of potential side effects.

“We need to do more work noticing when there are different effects for different people, really, so that we can do a better job of (preparing for) these side effects,” Clancy explained. “If people know, for instance, this is going to make you bleed more they’re going to have more pads with them.”

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5) Don't know if anyone heard of this article, but certainly adds suspicion to Dr. Fauci.

Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with U.S. Dollars for Risky Coronavirus Research by Fred Guterl of Newsweek, 28 April 2020

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

Dr. Anthony Fauci is an adviser to President Donald Trump and something of an American folk hero for his steady, calm leadership during the pandemic crisis. At least one poll shows that Americans trust Fauci more than Trump on the coronavirus pandemic—and few scientists are portrayed on TV by Brad Pitt.

But just last year, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the organization led by Dr. Fauci, funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.

In 2019, with the backing of NIAID, the National Institutes of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function work. The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million.

Many scientists have criticized gain of function research, which involves manipulating viruses in the lab to explore their potential for infecting humans, because it creates a risk of starting a pandemic from accidental release.

SARS-CoV-2 , the virus now causing a global pandemic, is believed to have originated in bats. U.S. intelligence, after originally asserting that the coronavirus had occurred naturally, conceded last month that the pandemic may have originated in a leak from the Wuhan lab. (At this point most scientists say it's possible—but not likely—that the pandemic virus was engineered or manipulated.)

Dr. Fauci did not respond to Newsweek's requests for comment. NIH responded with a statement that said in part: "Most emerging human viruses come from wildlife, and these represent a significant threat to public health and biosecurity in the US and globally, as demonstrated by the SARS epidemic of 2002-03, and the current COVID-19 pandemic.... scientific research indicates that there is no evidence that suggests the virus was created in a laboratory."

ChosenOne

04-13-2021, 07:09 PM

Dr. Anthony Fauci is an adviser to President Donald Trump and something of an American folk hero for his steady, calm leadership during the pandemic crisis. At least one poll shows that Americans trust Fauci more than Trump on the coronavirus pandemic—and few scientists are portrayed on TV by Brad Pitt.

Oh, yeah, instant credibility right there! :roll:

Leo656

04-14-2021, 04:07 AM

Sumac

04-14-2021, 07:35 AM

Reminds me of scenario of every zombie movie ever.
What else they cook up there?

Refractive Reflections

04-29-2021, 11:26 PM

Airlines won't call travelers' COVID-19 vaccination proof 'vaccine passports'
Adam Shapiro
April 20, 2021

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/airlines-wont-call-travelers-covid-19-vaccination-proof-vaccine-passports-110015915.html

The world awaits pandemic weary travelers, who are vaccinated against COVID-19 and ready to hit the road. United Airlines (UAL) announced Monday, in its Q1 earnings report, that it will begin flying this July to Iceland, Greece, and Croatia "moving to capitalize on emerging pent-up demand for travel to countries where vaccinated travelers are welcome." The key, of course, is for a passenger to prove they have been vaccinated. Countries like Israel and China are already using digital certificates to allow citizens to travel while New York state is using The Excelsior Pass. These digital documents allow people to "present digital proof of COVID-19 vaccination or negative test results." They are often called vaccine passports but Delta Air Lines (DAL) CEO Ed Bastian told Yahoo Finance Live, "We don't call it a vaccine passport. It carries too many connotations."

Vaccine passports have been a political hot potato since the Biden administration proposed in January to merge coronavirus testing documents with vaccination records. Bastian said Delta, like United is, "more focused on a credential, travel credential, if you will, to indicate that you've been vaccinated and or tested based on the regulatory requirements."

Bastian predicts international passengers will have to prove some form of immunity from the coronavirus which causes COVID-19. "Either a vaccination or a test," he said. "We're working with a number of technology providers to be able to facilitate that in an open source way."

Vaccine passports 'a DMV on steroids'
"The challenge with vaccine passports is that it’s one more document that airlines will need to deal with," according to airline consultant Mike Boyd, president of Boyd Group International.

He said it is unlikely nations worldwide will ever agree on a vaccine passport standard. "Airlines would rather not deal with this, but they need to express their points of view very carefully," Boyd warned.

Requiring a vaccine passport, Boyd said, and then setting up a global protocol to enforce it, would be a bureaucratic process that, "could resemble a DMV [Department of Motor Vehicles] on steroids.

Just don't call it a passport
The World Economic Forum Common Trust Network, a coalition of governments and global airlines, is attempting to avoid the bureaucratic nightmare. It created the CommonPass app to simplify COVID-19 regulatory compliance worldwide. The Common Trust Network describes the app as "a trusted, globally-interoperable platform for people to document their COVID-19 status (health declarations/PCR tests/vaccinations) to satisfy country entry requirements, while protecting their health data privacy." But the coalition does not call it a passport.

Using the app is voluntary which avoids the political stigma airlines fear by requiring passengers to have a vaccine passport. "I don't see it happening for domestic travel, but I think it could very well be required for international," Bastian said. United Airlines isn't waiting. It launched the Travel-Ready Center in January to help passengers "review COVID-19 entry requirements, find local testing options and upload any required testing and vaccination records for domestic and international travel, all in one place."

United was the first U.S. airline to integrate those features into its mobile app and website but also stops short of calling it a vaccine passport.

"The airlines would prefer not to get involved," Boyd said, referring to the politics of vaccinated versus unvaccinated passengers.

Refractive Reflections

05-13-2021, 01:57 PM

Yeah, I read a while back that Obama was already giving money and stuff to China for Coronavirus research way back in like 2014/2015-ish. Doesn't surprise me at all that Fauci was involved, too.

And then a couple of months ago there was another story about how the whole "The virus came from a wet market" thing was finally proven completely false, but of course, it got buried. It only ran for like a couple of days and none of the "big sources" were talking about it.

And of course not, because if you rule out the insipid "Someone ate a bat/Somebody ate a pangolin/Somebody f*cked a walrus" theories, what you're left with is, "Chinese scientists manufactured this virus in a Wuhan lab, with money and aid from the United States government, and then... OOPS, it got out and killed a ton of people."

And NOBODY wants to talk about THAT. Despite the fact that THAT is absolutely, positively, 100000% What Happened and anyone who says otherwise is a f*cking imbecile.

Here's the article supporting you.

Fauci Reportedly Relaunched NIH Gain-of-Function Research without Consulting White House
Jack Crowe, National Review, 27 April 2021
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/fauci-reportedly-relaunched-nih-gain-of-function-research-without-consulting-white-house/

Washington Post columnist Josh Rogin, who has done invaluable work in calling attention to the possibility that COVID-19 originated in a Wuhan lab, broke some news during his appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience on Tuesday.

After laying out the circumstantial evidence that COVID originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), Rogin explained why Dr. Anthony Fauci, like many in the world of virology research, has a vested professional interest in downplaying the likelihood that so-called gain-of-function research — of the kind performed at the Wuhan lab — not only failed to prevent the ongoing global pandemic but actually may have played a hand in unleashing it.

“The Godfather of [gain-of-function virology research], the head of the pyramid, is a guy you may have heard of called Anthony Fauci,” Rogin said. “So, Anthony Fauci, the hero of the pandemic, is the most important person in the world of gain-of-function research there is . . . Basically, he is the one disbursing all the grants for this, he is the one who pushed to turn it back on after Obama turned it off, that’s another crazy story, he turned it back on without really consulting the White House.”

“He consulted the Office of Science and Technology Policy, which is part of the White House, but the White House put a pause on it and he undid the pause,” Rogin continued. “The details are a little sketchy. I’m not saying he did anything necessarily wrong or illegal, but I’m saying that a lot of people that I know inside the Trump administration had no idea that he had turned this back on. He found a way to turn it back on in the mess of the Trump administration because the Trump administration is full of a bunch of clowns, so you could get things done if you knew how to work the system.”

As Rogin himself admits, “the details are a little sketchy,” and we’ll have to take a look at the sourcing included in whatever article this piece of news appears in before alleging any wrongdoing. But Rogin has banked significant credibility by questioning the mainstream COVID-origin consensus. He dealt a significant blow to the media’s near-religious faith in the natural-transmission theory by reporting on the existence of 2018 State Department cables that raised concerns about the lack of safety protocols at the Wuhan lab, which was performing gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the time.

The Obama administration suspended gain-of-function research in 2014 after a series of lab accidents involving pathogens at CDC headquarters in Georgia.

A Nature article (https://www.nature.com/news/us-suspends-risky-disease-research-1.16192) from October 2014 lays out the rationale for the suspension:

Critics of such work argue that it is unnecessarily dangerous and risks accidentally releasing viruses with pandemic potential — such as an engineered H5N1 influenza virus that easily spreads between ferrets breathing the same air1, 2. In 2012, such concerns prompted a global group of flu researchers to halt gain-of-function experiments for a year (see Nature http://doi.org/wgx; 2012). The debate reignited in July, after a series of lab accidents involving mishandled pathogens at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia.

The White House’s abrupt move seems to be a response to renewed lobbying by gain-of-function critics who wanted such work suspended and others who sought to evaluate its risks and benefits without disrupting existing research.

According to Rogin, much of the gain-of-function research that was being conducted in the U.S. prior to the moratorium subsequently migrated to China — and EcoHealth Alliance, the U.S. research nonprofit, secured its grant to funnel NIH money to the WIV in 2015, less than a year after the moratorium was put in place. If Fauci did indeed use bureaucratic maneuvering to resume gain-of-function research on U.S. soil, as Rogin alleges, he has some explaining to do — even if domestic research isn’t to blame for our current pandemic.

1987

08-04-2021, 12:09 AM

I did NAZI that coming! NY city will now require vaccine ID for certain things the health masters and politicians say you can do, labeling the unvaxxed as outcasts of society... Mandatory vaxxx is here, I did NAZI that coming!

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/03/business/new-york-city-vaccine-requirements/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

CHINESE MUTANT CORONA VIRUS!
CHINESE MUTANT CORONA VIRUS!
CHINESE MUTANT CORONA VIRUS!

frank_one

08-04-2021, 12:57 AM

Teenage mutant chinese coronavirus.

1987

08-04-2021, 10:44 AM

Fauci taught them, to be mutant strains! (he’s a radical demoncRAT!)

covid19 leads, delta variant brings back lockdowns,
delta plus just fools more fools, lambada variant is for mask mandates!

CHINESE MUTANT CORONA VIRUS!
CHINESE MUTANT CORONA VIRUS!
CHINESE MUTANT CORONA VIRUS!