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Andrew NDB
04-12-2021, 08:58 PM
Lucy Liu will be in it, Helen Mirren as the bad guy:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/lucy-liu-is-kalypso-in-shazam-sequel/

June, 2023, though? Yeesh. Why would this take longer than Black Adam to make? This should've already come out, or at least been in the can even before the "pandemic" hit.

Leo656
04-12-2021, 09:06 PM
That was one of my biggest issues with the first one, especially the ending when they popped the cork on the entire Marvel Family. I dug that, but I was like, "Well, they better start shooting the sequel like, Tomorrow, or else all of these kid actors are gonna be too old to come back."

Such is always the risk when doing any movie with a lot of young actors in the cast.

I think part of the delay was in part because, for all the glowing reviews and "Finally! A FUN DC movie!" stuff, it didn't actually make much money. Like, let's be honest, $366 million is pitiful for a super-hero movie. They "only" spent $100 million on it, so technically they came out ahead, barely, but still... you know that WB wanted/expected a LOT better returns considering how strongly they positioned it as DC's "Marvel Movie", all light and "fun" and family-friendly and whatnot. After marketing costs, they maybe only broke even, possibly. So one would think that if it made more money, the sequel might have come out sooner, but instead they had to go back to the drawing board for "retooling", to try and figure out just what they did "wrong".

Then again, Aquaman made a billion dollars and they dragged their feet on THAT sequel, too. So maybe WB is just run by drunken chimps who don't know what the f*ck they're doing. :lol: THAT, I can absolutely believe.

Andrew NDB
04-12-2021, 09:08 PM
Yeah...

"We are SO proud that Aquaman is a huge hit! Thank you, everybody!"

And then...

"We hope you turn up for Aquaman 2, coming in 10 years!"

WB is bonkers in every conceivable way.

Leo656
04-12-2021, 09:11 PM
Right? :lol:

WB, on a good day, could f*ck up a wet dream. Their only consistent trait is failure. Even when they "win", they pooch the follow-through.

I'm a huge fan of a lot of the properties they own, but as a COMPANY? Oof. Drizzling sh*ts.

Autbot_Benz
06-03-2021, 04:01 PM
new suit for Shazam

http://www.justjared.com/2021/06/03/...am-2-set-pics/

https://i.imgur.com/x776b32.jpg

ZariusTwo
06-04-2021, 10:14 AM
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Autbot_Benz
06-21-2021, 12:08 PM
https://i.imgur.com/LX8avb3.jpg
New look at the suits they are darker than they were in the first movie

Autbot_Benz
07-23-2022, 12:31 PM
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IMJ
07-23-2022, 01:03 PM
The kids who grew up with the Saban Entertainment have "Power Rangered" everything as a method of life-operating. Of course there's precedent for the "Shazam family" but that feature only made this I.P. juicier for today's kids-turned-consumer.

Just an observation as to the greater pop-culture zeitgeist and wear it's roots lay. There can be no singular super-hero for everyone is already a unique and special flower and everything is just a mantel that is waiting for you to be inserted into. Congrats!

The first Shazam flick was entertaining and had a few heartstring moments. Watched it once - it was fine. Sort of expect about the same from this one.

Leo656
07-23-2022, 01:20 PM
From now on I need you guys to warn me in advance if there's Eminem on the trailer soundtrack so I know not to click it. :tgrumble:

So okay, that looks pretty awful, but so did the original one which the trailers misrepresented by making it look like wall-to-wall batsh*t comedy, and the movie was actually a lot more balanced which was nice. So I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility that the actual movie might be good even with a lousy trailer. As of right now, I don't wanna see it.

Although Mary Marvel looks pretty f*cking hot and I'm generally a pretty big fan. Hmmm.

Admittedly, I did mark out when they did the whole Marvel Family in the first movie, but seeing how this one is going full-on into that, I think it was a mistake going there so soon and I agree with a lot of what IMJ said. It's like we barely spend any time with "just" Captain Marvel (BITE me, that's his f*cking name) and he's already sharing time with a whole entire ensemble. Doesn't really do a lot to build HIM up, and I'm concerned with the trailer's entire narrative being about what a loser he is. That's... not the character.

Also... no follow-up whatsoever for the Mr. Mind tease at the end of the first-one, I'm guessing? Just full-on "Forget about it, you never saw it, we're moving on" like it's the MCU? Huh. I mean I get that it's a pretty silly villain but why even go there in the first place, then? Oh, WB, you and your pathetic lack of forward planning.

I don't know. Looks like sh*t but so did the first one, and the first one turned out okay. Guess we'll see, but it's not grabbing me at all.

Autbot_Benz
08-24-2022, 04:40 PM
Shazam is taking Aquaman's old release date March 17, 2023

https://deadline.com/2022/08/aquaman-2-shazam-fury-of-the-gods-hbo-max-house-party-evil-dead-rise-1235099521/

Andrew NDB
08-24-2022, 04:45 PM
Also... no follow-up whatsoever for the Mr. Mind tease at the end of the first-one, I'm guessing? Just full-on "Forget about it, you never saw it, we're moving on" like it's the MCU? Huh. I mean I get that it's a pretty silly villain but why even go there in the first place, then? Oh, WB, you and your pathetic lack of forward planning.

I thought for sure he was going to be the main villain of Peacemaker.

Sumac
08-25-2022, 12:12 AM
I like those reforms, if for nothing, but a shitstorm they create on Internet.

Autbot_Benz
01-26-2023, 11:32 AM
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Andrew NDB
01-26-2023, 11:48 AM
Does not look good. And villains look weak.

oldmanwinters
01-26-2023, 11:49 AM
Feels like we all got robbed we probably won't ever get to see this version of Shazam and The Rock's Black Adam battle each other on screen.

Andrew NDB
01-26-2023, 11:54 AM
Feels like we all got robbed we probably won't ever get to see this version of Shazam and The Rock's Black Adam battle each other on screen.

It's going to end up like the Venom movies. What's the point, if no Spider-Man? And with the Gunn verse starting... what're the odds they're going to really keep this guy around as Shazam and those kids as the kids? The guy looks like a skinny 60 year-old now and those kids look 25-30 years-old already.

Just a great big waste all around. Waste of potential, waste of talent, mismanagement of resources.

ProphetofGanja
01-26-2023, 05:43 PM
Just saw an ad for this before a youtube video I watched; man what weak sauce

IMJ
01-26-2023, 08:45 PM
I don't think the villains are even from the comics....

Another "jump the shark" moment for the de-evolution of comic book movies?

ZariusTwo
01-27-2023, 06:23 AM
Yeah, 'original villains', maybe they thought Mr. Mind (who was set up in the last one) was too cartoony?

The short Shazam comic that came out the same year by Geoff Johns would have been a perfect story to adapt for the films

Coola Yagami
01-27-2023, 11:26 AM
You'd think they'd hurry up and cram them into the comics before the movie is out so they can point and say "see??? they're from the comics!!! from five minutes ago!!!"

I mean they gave Nubia her own show, something like this wouldn't surprise me.

Andrew NDB
01-27-2023, 11:27 AM
The short Shazam comic that came out the same year by Geoff Johns would have been a perfect story to adapt for the films

There has got to be a good story from the past fifty years of Shazam comics they can mine before giving more money to that man.

Coola Yagami
01-27-2023, 11:37 AM
There has got to be a good story from the past fifty years of Shazam comics they can mine before giving more money to that man.

I think you're assuming the people working on the film actually read the comics.

Andrew NDB
01-27-2023, 11:40 AM
Apparently not, if it's true they're just pulling villains out of the ether.

Any predictions on this? A big bomb? A Black Adam-style "baaaarely break even"/lose money situation?

Coola Yagami
01-27-2023, 12:05 PM
Apparently not, if it's true they're just pulling villains out of the ether.

Any predictions on this? A big bomb? A Black Adam-style "baaaarely break even"/lose money situation?

Little of column A a lot of column B.

IMJ
01-27-2023, 01:22 PM
This movie wasn't going to do as well as the first to begin with, but then it was brought down with:

1) Lame trailer
2) "Hollywood Created" villain and deviation from source material
3) Now-defunct DCEU

My guess here? Absolute flop.

Coola Yagami
01-27-2023, 01:40 PM
Just the idea they're creating villains... like... is the villain at least a combination of several ones, kinda like how Iron Man 2 used a mix of Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo?

IMJ
01-27-2023, 05:19 PM
Just the idea they're creating villains... like... is the villain at least a combination of several ones, kinda like how Iron Man 2 used a mix of Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo?

:lol::lol: Man you always know how to bring me down with that..... :lol:

ZariusTwo
01-29-2023, 11:10 AM
Levi appears to have opinions on Pfiizer...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1619599266607169539

oldmanwinters
01-29-2023, 01:14 PM
Levi appears to have opinions on Pfiizer...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1619599266607169539

The cancellation train is probably pulling out the station as we speak!

Coola Yagami
01-29-2023, 02:06 PM
The cancellation train is probably pulling out the station as we speak!

Oh man, here we go again.

So horribly sick of this by now. We're not in 2021 anymore, we know a lot more now than we did back then.

The cat's out of the bag already. CoVid is all but gone, the 'vaccine' was a sham that barely works at best, ****s you up at worst, or you drop your guard, thinking you're safe, catch CoVid and die anyway despite being vaxxed and boosted.

Let's stop pretending it's anything different. Everyone knows by now that saving human lives was the very last thing Pfizer was concerned about. Stop punishing and making examples out of people speaking the truth or questioning the 'false truth'.

This **** is never gonna end until we get to the point where someone says 'omg so-and-so said this and that regarding the coivd vaccine' the response it will get is 'so?'

Andrew NDB
01-29-2023, 02:41 PM
3) Now-defunct DCEU

I still don't think we can rule out a soft rebooted DCEU. Where Gal Gadot is still WW and Momoa is still Aquaman and this guy is still Shazam... but kind of everything else is different.

Sumac
01-30-2023, 11:56 AM
The cancellation train is probably pulling out the station as we speak!
Yup.
And that's even less than a "Racism" or "Sexism"! An opinion about global corporation! But apparently Lefties can not allow anyone badmouth mighty corps, even, if it goes very much against their ideology!

Oh, well, dumb trash gonna be dumb trash.

IMJ
01-30-2023, 02:12 PM
The cancellation train is probably pulling out the station as we speak!

But again... by whom? Nobody actually has this power so who are the cowardly decision-makers that would allow someone's career to be "cancelled" because they have opinions about a drug? Furthermore because a few people on Twitter talk some $#!( and a few internet-basement dwellers write liberal articles damning these people for clicks?

I want those people cancelled.

Coola Yagami
01-30-2023, 03:12 PM
a few people on Twitter talk some $#!( and a few internet-basement dwellers write liberal articles damning these people for clicks?

I want those people cancelled.

This. Let them get a taste of their own medicine.

Andrew NDB
02-01-2023, 10:25 PM
Well, Gadot as WW is in it.

https://cosmicbook.news/gal-gadot-wonder-woman-shazam-fury-gods

CyberCubed
02-01-2023, 11:02 PM
This is probably what she meant on her twitter when she said she was going to still appear soon, and people didn't know what she meant since Wonder Woman 3 was canned.

Andrew NDB
02-01-2023, 11:04 PM
This is probably what she meant on her twitter when she said she was going to still appear soon, and people didn't know what she meant since Wonder Woman 3 was canned.

I just took it as Flash. Pretty sure she'd even be in the pre-reshoot stuff there.

oldmanwinters
02-02-2023, 10:33 AM
Shazam goes Sha-zip?
https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/02/02/grace-randolph-claims-zachary-levis-shazam-contract-not-being-renewed/

Cowabung-Gal
02-02-2023, 12:21 PM
Why are they going after him? I thought these “Occupy Wall Street” types were against Big Pharma.

https://y.yarn.co/199cb472-f84c-426f-a6ed-47ddbe31929f_text.gif

CyberCubed
02-02-2023, 12:30 PM
This is not a movie I would pay for to see in theaters but I'll watch it when it comes out in HD on the illegal streaming websites. Black Adam came to streaming only 3 months after it was in theaters so I expect the same here.

Andrew NDB
02-24-2023, 03:20 PM
Yikes. It's set to open even lower than the first Shazam! and lower than Black Adam:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/shazam-fury-of-the-gods-tracking-box-office-1235332509/

IMJ
02-24-2023, 06:01 PM
Yikes. It's set to open even lower than the first Shazam! and lower than Black Adam:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/shazam-fury-of-the-gods-tracking-box-office-1235332509/

The first one was well-needed purist fun during a time when everything was dismal, race-swapped or full-on agenda. But the second one looks uninteresting, pencil-whipped by Hollywood, and is going nowhere with a story loaded with "hollywood originals' rather than source material content.

It's going to flop. And it should.

Autbot_Benz
03-14-2023, 05:59 PM
The Two Post Credit Scenes got revealed
Post Credit 1
the first post-credits scene begins with The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker characters Emilia Harcourt (Jennifer Holland) and John Economos (Steve Agee) walking through the forest discussing the fact Amanda Waller has set up a meeting between them and "someone."

This mystery person sounds pretty important, but it's just Billy Batson standing there. They start by saying they'd like to offer him a spot "on the Justice..." only to be interrupted with a resounding "Yes!"

Unfortunately, the duo is talking about the Justice Society rather than the Justice League, and the disappointed teenager makes it clear he wanted to be on the main team. Billy proceeds to berate them for misleading them while pointing out they could and should have used a better name for their superhero group (who we first met in Black Adam).

Post Credit 2

Sivana is still behind bars, albeit with a full-grown beard. He's scribbling on the walls, but is once again met by Mister Mind. Coming through the cell's window, the two-inch alien caterpillar of high intelligence with telepathic powers tells Sivana his plan still needs more time and notes that they will soon have what they need to take over everything.

https://comicbookmovie.com/shazam/shazam-fury-of-the-gods/shazam-fury-of-the-gods-heres-what-happens-in-the-sequels-two-post-credits-scenes---spoilers-a201012?ap=1#gs.s0rka3

ZariusTwo
03-15-2023, 09:30 AM
Post Credit 2

Sivana is still behind bars, albeit with a full-grown beard. He's scribbling on the walls, but is once again met by Mister Mind. Coming through the cell's window, the two-inch alien caterpillar of high intelligence with telepathic powers tells Sivana his plan still needs more time and notes that they will soon have what they need to take over everything.

https://comicbookmovie.com/shazam/shazam-fury-of-the-gods/shazam-fury-of-the-gods-heres-what-happens-in-the-sequels-two-post-credits-scenes---spoilers-a201012?ap=1#gs.s0rka3

We could have been getting the real sequel the whole time.

Andrew NDB
03-17-2023, 07:05 PM
Debuting way under expectations:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/shazam-sequel-flies-under-expectations/

drgon78
03-18-2023, 06:03 AM
It's sad that it is doing so bad, I actually enjoyed it.

LeotheLateBloomer
03-18-2023, 06:04 AM
Saw it! Just like the first one I enjoyed it but probably wouldn't rewatch it. If you didn't like the first one for being too silly then you're likely to be annoyed by this one. The theater didn't have a lot of people in, probably about five or six others. The finale shocked me but I should've known better...

Billy dies at the end with his family at his grave site.Then Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman shows up to Repair the staff and uses it to revive him. His revival was silly and immediately hits on Diana like in his dreams. I know comic book deaths are hardly permanent but this has to be the most pointless death I've seen in a comic book movie.

ZariusTwo
03-18-2023, 08:17 AM
They had the perfect way 'out' of using Levi with the film's ending and they didn't take it. This isn't a good look for big two capes*it movies either, as both this and Quantomania have 'safe' consequence-free Disney endings.

Coola Yagami
03-18-2023, 09:13 AM
Didn't the movie have made up villains? It deserved to crash and burn. Imagine a Batman movie where he faced some made up guy named the Punch Master.

LeotheLateBloomer
03-18-2023, 10:16 AM
Didn't the movie have made up villains? It deserved to crash and burn. Imagine a Batman movie where he faced some made up guy named the Punch Master.

If you mean original villains, hasn't this happened in Batman several times though? That's how we got Harley Quinn.

Coola Yagami
03-18-2023, 10:38 AM
If you mean original villains, hasn't this happened in Batman several times though? That's how we got Harley Quinn.

Not the same thing. I'm talking about modern day movies.

Harley was on a cartoon show and already tied to the Joker, who is THE Batman villain. Even if she was a standalone, if you didn't like her, you can always tune in tomorrow for next time to see if the next episode will be about Two Face or whoever.

Not so in movies. 'Tune in next time' is usually years later and a billion dollar budget later. And that's assuming there will even be a next time if you didn't already blow your chances wasting time the first time around.

IMJ
03-18-2023, 12:04 PM
If you mean original villains, hasn't this happened in Batman several times though? That's how we got Harley Quinn.

Not the same thing.

Absolutely not the same thing. Harley Quinn just as easily could've been a one-off character that nobody responded to similar to anyone of the Joker's goons. The Joker was still there and people happened to like Harley so it gained traction.

Decades and decades of Hollywood making changes and using writers who think they are smarter than the source material, making changes that fans didn't want any part of for decades and decades. And almost everytime they do it, it fails.

They need to learn simply do not deviate from the source material. Stop hiding behind the cliche "we have to do something newwwwwww" and all of the proxy-lies that justify Hollywood BS. Nobody has ever even seen a Shazam big-budget franchise in history, let alone a sequel, e.g., any story you use from the source material is "new".

Also the truth is that the first one wasn't even that great. It was entertaining by comparison of everything else which was littered with woke $#!( at it's time of release. In a normal movie-going atmosphere the first Shazam might've flopped on it's own merits.

Andrew NDB
03-18-2023, 02:22 PM
The director says he knew it would fail.

https://comicbookmovie.com/shazam/shazam-fury-of-the-gods/shazam-fury-of-the-gods-director-on-disappointing-box-office-performance-i-saw-where-this-was-heading-a201099

Like, maybe he was pushing for a different story and got vetoed? Who knows.

ZariusTwo
03-18-2023, 03:05 PM
Deadline dissects what went wrong

https://deadline.com/2023/03/shazam-fury-of-the-gods-box-office-bomb-1235303827/

oldmanwinters
03-18-2023, 08:01 PM
Just saw a national tv Commercial for it and they didn’t wait too long to abandon spoilers on the Wonder Woman cameo.

ZariusTwo
03-21-2023, 05:05 AM
Film getting dumped on digital next month

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1637981440183771142

Autbot_Benz
03-21-2023, 04:21 PM
Apparently Dwayne also was part of the reason this movie didn't so well

https://i.imgur.com/wJGZfNP.jpg

Andrew NDB
03-21-2023, 04:38 PM
Did Zachary Levi really share that himself? Is that legit?

Autbot_Benz
03-21-2023, 04:43 PM
Did Zachary Levi really share that himself? Is that legit?

yes that's his official verified Instagram page Its his 10th Post on his stories today

https://www.instagram.com/stories/zacharylevi/3063608614502429841/?hl=en

IMJ
03-21-2023, 08:38 PM
The Rock did do his own passive $#!( talking about Shazam. Honestly it's an epic fail on the Rock's part. It looks like a power play which looks bad to begin with. And then it was a failed power play. And now it's a failed power play that trickled over into a failed power play resulting in collateral damage.

Andrew NDB
03-21-2023, 08:50 PM
And it's interesting because when you go back far enough, the Rock was going to play Shazam. It was when he posed "who should I play? Captain Marvel or Adam?" to the fans that he changed over to Black Adam.

But I think he just finds the muscle suits and corniness of the movie that actually resulted as insulting to his work(out) ethic.

Also... back to the time it took to make this, needlessly. Imagine it you're a kid in middle school who saw this in the 8th grade. Shazam 2 would be coming out when you're in college! They f***ed up.

oldmanwinters
03-29-2023, 10:09 AM
Got around to seeing this one last night and... I feel about the same way as I did after watching Ant-Man 3. As in, well, that was one way to kill 3 hours (because of the 20 extra minutes of previews). I think I'm starting to miss the days when superhero/comic book movies were "special interest" entertainment instead of another one being cranked out every month with the hopes that every film will make $300 in domestic box office gross.

And just like Ant-Man 3, I found myself surprised to forget that certain things did or didn't happen in previous franchise installments. I actually thought Billy's foster parents knew all about the kids' powers by the end of the first movie. Somehow, I had forgotten all about the Staff of Atlas as being anything more significant than the MacGuffin of the 1st movie. Beyond Billy, his handicapped best friend, and the two girls, I couldn't remember anything about the other two boys. Also, I still don't remember the names of anybody but Billy, Mary, and... Jeff, er... Freddy.
Perhaps most importantly, I had thought the first movie settled the question of character names, but... this movie really hammers home the idea that nobody knows what to call the Shazam crew at all.

The first movie was criticized by fans for being content to do its own thing without concern about building up the DCU but this movie goes hard on the opposite side, dropping heavy references to other superheroes throughout the film (but not Black Adam, unless you count poster-credits scene #1).

Now I have fondness for Captain Marv... eh, "Shazam!" as a character, even if it's a casual fondness because I've never read significant runs of his comic book backlog and only watched a few of his 70s tv episodes through digital stream. But it's weird that the movie seems to treat everything about the character as a joke. Even the Wizard Shazam seems fed up with the whole tone of this movie when he repeatedly regrets giving the powers to an untrained Billy... for some reason?

I thought bringing emphasis to Billy's lack of mastery of "The Wisdom of Solomon" was the right way to go with this film, but even that is played for one big gag without much of a payoff. Is "Solomon" really the hardest name for him to remember/pronounce correctly as opposed to Atlas, Zeus, Achilles, and Mercury?

So much of this movie's humor feels the same as Quantumania. Characters stutter over their sentences as they attempt to over-share everything (maybe that's what the writers thought teenagers do?). And then they toss some profanities/vulgarities in there to ensure some cheap audience laughs. And when the runtime is expiring, a hero resolves to sacrifice himself and the movie expects us all to sober up for a minute or two until we realize it wasn't that big of a loss. Dialogue relies heavily upon references to other pop-culture IPs (Fast & the Furious, etc.).

Visual Effects look good enough to me. The wooden dragon was fun but I really liked the beasts' birth effects when they invade the city. The unicorns did leave an impression on me.

Most unrealistic part of the film was probably the fact that the secret Shazam clubhouse run by overgrown teenagers apparently has a cable TV service and that they all crowd around watching CNN News.

Because I went on Tuesday discount night and had a VUDU/Fandango voucher code, I ended up seeing the movie for a grand total of 25 cents!

At the very end, I had no idea how the good guys were able to get back to the god realm of Atlas to bury Billy after they all lost their powers and the staff had been extinguished. There was a comment earlier in the movie that only the Shazam crew were able to access the wizard's lair, through which would have been their only doorway into the other realm. Plot hole?

Also, that high school teacher who was forced to jump off the roof is still dead (REALLY dead) but nobody seemed to care about it after the initial shock value.

Andrew NDB
03-29-2023, 12:40 PM
Ouuuch. Production budget of 125 million (40 million more than the first movie), and it's week 3 and it's only at 48 million domestically, 56 million internationally. This is definitely going to lose some serious money.

At least the Rock can feel somewhat justified in his maneuvering. This is going to do significantly worse than Black Adam.

Sumac
03-29-2023, 02:17 PM
Another stone on the grave of the DCEU 2.0.

Andrew NDB
03-29-2023, 04:19 PM
Another stone on the grave of the DCEU 2.0.

Not necessarily, as this could easily be chalked up to "old money." Still, between this and Black Adam bombing it definitely spells the end of this whole corner of the DCEU until it's recast/rebooted, whereas if it'd succeeded a Shazam 3 at least could have been realized in the post-Gunn DCEU.

AquaParade
03-29-2023, 04:20 PM
I'm pretty sure Zaslav, Gunn, and Safran knew that these films were a lost cause at this point. Probably didn't spend too much on marketing.

They are shepherding these movies out the door and preparing for the new.

Galactus
03-29-2023, 09:22 PM
Even if this is the remnants of a failed cinematic universe I doubt WB would have wanted this to actually lose money. Not to mention if it had been a decent hit Gunn could have folded it into his new DC universe. This property could easily have fit into his 'Gods and Monsters' theme

Personally I think this and Black Adam could have been successful if they had actually combined the two. Black Adam positioned itself as the alternative to a comic book movie landscape that largely doesn't exist. Like Black Adam's big thing that separates him from other superheroes is that he kills people...except all the DCEU heroes kill their enemies, they exist in a dark desaturated world. I think the only exception was the Shazam family and it would make total sense for that to be premise for Shazam 2. Billy and the other innocent kids face against the dark version of themselves. They empathise with him but don't condone him killing. Plus on a practical note you could combine the smidgen of good faith people had from the first movie and the last of the Rock's star power and they could have done decent numbers.

Coola Yagami
03-29-2023, 10:53 PM
Like Black Adam's big thing that separates him from other superheroes is that he kills people...except all the DCEU heroes kill their enemies, they exist in a dark desaturated world.

Ah but that's the problem. Black Adam was never a hero, he was always a villain. He gets away with it because the average normie doesn't know who he is, but saying 'Black Adam is different cause he kills people' is like saying 'Joker is different cause he kills people'.

It was doomed from the start. If we ever got Shazam VS Black Adam, the audience wouldn't know who to root for.

AquaParade
03-30-2023, 03:49 AM
Even if this is the remnants of a failed cinematic universe I doubt WB would have wanted this to actually lose money. Not to mention if it had been a decent hit Gunn could have folded it into his new DC universe. This property could easily have fit into his 'Gods and Monsters' theme

Personally I think this and Black Adam could have been successful if they had actually combined the two. Black Adam positioned itself as the alternative to a comic book movie landscape that largely doesn't exist. Like Black Adam's big thing that separates him from other superheroes is that he kills people...except all the DCEU heroes kill their enemies, they exist in a dark desaturated world. I think the only exception was the Shazam family and it would make total sense for that to be premise for Shazam 2. Billy and the other innocent kids face against the dark version of themselves. They empathise with him but don't condone him killing. Plus on a practical note you could combine the smidgen of good faith people had from the first movie and the last of the Rock's star power and they could have done decent numbers.

No studio ever wants to lose money but this isn’t a surprise for WB and in all likelihood had no effect on their future plans. I don’t think Gunn was ever interested in folding in Shazam to “Gods and Monsters” but who knows.

Sumac
03-30-2023, 04:35 AM
Not necessarily, as this could easily be chalked up to "old money." Still, between this and Black Adam bombing it definitely spells the end of this whole corner of the DCEU until it's recast/rebooted, whereas if it'd succeeded a Shazam 3 at least could have been realized in the post-Gunn DCEU.
DCEU was a limp duck for the last few outings, even if Aquaman 2 and Flash are successful, it won't be enough to save any of it. Hopefully they will be able to do it right on the 3rd try.

I am much more fascinated with DC characters, than Marvel ones and seeing WB ****ing it up is fun to a degree, but I finally want something good from them, which is not Batman or Batman-related.

Andrew NDB
04-07-2023, 06:55 PM
Saw it on TV. Man, that was awful. None of the jokes landed. Bad guys were WEAK. The only bright side was the Mary Marvel actress looking absolutely stunning in every shot.

IMJ
04-07-2023, 07:47 PM
Saw it on TV. Man, that was awful. None of the jokes landed. Bad guys were WEAK. The only bright side was the Mary Marvel actress looking absolutely stunning in every shot.

See, I was honestly wondering if there was a decent movie in there somewhere that we knew was going to get lost anyway to:

-abandoned continuity
-John Wick 4 competition
-deviation from the comic source material

Andrew NDB
04-09-2023, 07:21 PM
It's just a big bloated repeat of the "I don't think I'm worthy" story.

oldmanwinters
04-12-2023, 01:24 PM
I think it's funny that Shazam 2 and The Super Mario Bros Movie hit theatres a few weeks apart and both try their hand at including a "Holding Out for a Hero" montage.
But I think Shrek 2 is still the king of that hill (https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a43515660/the-super-mario-bros-movie-music/).

Andrew NDB
04-12-2023, 01:43 PM
I think it's funny that Shazam 2 and The Super Mario Bros Movie hit theatres a few weeks apart and both try their hand at including a "Holding Out for a Hero" montage.
But I think Shrek 2 is still the king of that hill (https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a43515660/the-super-mario-bros-movie-music/).

Nonsense. Short Circuit 2.

XMm7QA7icbs

Coola Yagami
04-12-2023, 01:54 PM
Nonsense. Short Circuit 2.

XMm7QA7icbs

Literally the first time I ever hold this song. Second time was probably during a Chipmunks episode.

IMJ
04-13-2023, 10:12 AM
Oh geeze the Short Circuit flicks - haven't had those come to mind in decades. "Hey LASER LIPS! Your momma was a SNOWBLOWER!"