Riot Season 2021

[1987]

it’s like 2020 all over again. covid, racism, covid, racism, lockdowns, protests, lockdowns, riots. how can people still be so easily manipulated by the media? seriously, it’s like deja vu. the mainstream media fear mongering about covid, then when people start to realize covid is bs, bring on the race wars! it’s like they keep switching back and forth covid and racism. mainstream media narrative is extremely toxic to USA. most of the riots stopped for a while after the election, and the focus was covid again. now people are really tired of all the medical tyranny, so here we go again, black criminal gets shot by police and all hell breaks loose. this was a horrific week of blm and antifa terrorism. and if they let them get away with it last year, it will probably be worse this year.

prediction: now that riots are back in full force, the cdc or whatever tyrannical government agency will say covid cases are going up again cause of all the protests, and we need to lockdown again. f**k, when does this nightmare end? honestly i don’t see things ever going back to normal, unless something amazing happens and the corrupt government is overthrown. one can dream...

[The Deadman]

Excuse me, they're called peaceful protests....unless its a right wing group doing. Then they're riots.

[IMJ]

the corrupt government is overthrown. one can dream...

Why are you talking about "corrupt government" over the actions being decided upon, committed to and put into action by our regular population?

This is a personal power issue.

[superstaff]

prediction: now that riots are back in full force, the cdc or whatever tyrannical government agency will say covid cases are going up again cause of all the protests, and we need to lockdown again. f**k, when does this nightmare end? honestly i don’t see things ever going back to normal, unless something amazing happens and the corrupt government is overthrown. one can dream...

I feel the same way, pal. It's a non-stop ride on a horrible rollercoaster. I want off already.

[ChosenOne]

Excuse me, they're called peaceful protests....unless its a right wing group doing. Then they're riots.

Or an insurrection. One that justifies having the National Guard at the ready in DC and a newly-built wall around the Capitol, 'cause walls are a good thing now, I guess. :roll:

I call it the Anger Games. The sequels are Setting Fire and Mockingjoe.

[Andrew NDB]

Speaking of wall building... Biden has quietly been continuing construction of the border wall. He's even been buying up people's property to see it through.

[Sumac]

Since DemRATS truly scared of losing power.
But as a story goes, the more they try to keep the more they sabotage their own efforts.

[mrmaczaps]

Speaking of wall building... Biden has quietly been continuing construction of the border wall. He's even been buying up people's property to see it through.

*stealing it* really...

[AquaParade]

Speaking of wall building... Biden has quietly been continuing construction of the border wall. He's even been buying up people's property to see it through.

Is he really?
Very interesting. I admit that I've failed to keep up fully with politics this year outside of what is directly in my face.

Last I checked, the border crossing was more populated than ever since Biden got into office, so I suppose he had to do something. Very interesting though.

[Andrew NDB]

Is he really?

100%. Under the guise of "completing what funding was allocated for" despite saying over and over again all such would be shut down promptly.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pledging-build-trumps-border-wall-bidens-intentions-remain/story?id=76928099

So "no walls!" except when plugging holes in it? As in... the whole purpose of the wall to begin with?

[IMJ]

100%. Under the guise of "completing what funding was allocated for" despite saying over and over again all such would be shut down promptly.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pledging-build-trumps-border-wall-bidens-intentions-remain/story?id=76928099

So "no walls!" except when plugging holes in it? As in... the whole purpose of the wall to begin with?

The Democrats are disingenuous liars and their constituents are the easily-led, life-angry fools that in medieval England would've huddled around a feudal lord in small huts and been kept in check by a military presence.

Democrats position a border wall as "evil" during a Republican initiative in order to fire up their constituents in opposition. But during a Democrat-in-power period they quality go back to their agenda.

Republican agenda = security & order in logic.
Democrat agenda = oppression and power in logic.

Where are the forum mouth breathers now? Oh wait. They had no real position. They simply didn't like Donald Trump for personal psychology XYZ.... :roll:

$#!tbag liars.

[Leo656]

They're all busy throwing parades because that cop got found Guilty of murder even though "murder" is a very specific term that in no way whatsoever applies to the situation he was found Guilty of. Anyone who's ever studied Criminal Justice can tell you that.

BUT... half the country would be on fire right now if any other verdict had been made, so... sacrifice One for the good of the Many, I guess, standards be damned.

[The Deadman]

There's people rioting in Ohio because of that one cop who had to shoot a child because she was getting ready to kill 2 other people. Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

[Zachatello00]

The sequels are Setting Fire and Mockingjoe.

I just want you to know that I laughed out loud, very hard at this. :tlol:

[Leo656]

There's people rioting in Ohio because of that one cop who had to shoot a child because she was getting ready to kill 2 other people. Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

Ah yeah, I heard about that. I looked it up and saw some more about it.

Gotta love the girl's Mom saying her daughter "promoted peace" despite being caught on camera about to stab someone. :lol: They're ALWAYS "peaceful" until they're not, huh?

Sh*t happens. My wife called the cops on her Dad once when he pulled a knife on me. She had video on her phone. We met the cops outside, showed them the video, they ran into the house with their guns out. Because that's what procedure dictates. Nobody got shot, because he'd stashed the knife under his mattress by the time they got in there, but they still dogpiled him on the ground and dragged him out in cuffs. If he'd still been waving the knife around? They probably would've popped him for sure. They were prepared to if they had to.

These stupid protestors in Ohio with their "Hands up! Don't Shoot!" nonsense. Watch the f*cking video; she didn't have "hands up", she was literally in the act of attempting to stab someone. And in that case, you pop 'em. Because when things escalate to that point, the life of the perpetrator has now become less valuable than that of the innocent victim. Not only is that "procedure", it's the right thing to do.

"She was a kid!" Jesus, cry me a goddamn river.

[AquaParade]

It's crazy how divided we are on the political spectrum now. America feels comprised of two very different teams more than ever before, in my life at least.

Honestly, that's what I love about powerful art or entertainment becoming mainstream. Not just in America, but all over the world. It's a nice idea that despite all our differences, maybe we can all find noble values in the acts of a guy who dresses up as a Bat or a girl with a laser sword.

It's sort of silly from one perspective, but I think it's comforting that we have common ground somewhere and hopefully it can slowly help lead us to a similar place of understanding or common notions of right and wrong, in some small way.

[Coola Yagami]

My understanding was she herself called the cops cause the two other girls jumped her. She pulled a knife to defend herself. If all that's true, her mistake was not dropping the knife the moment the cops showed up.

Though, why didn't the cops just tase her? She had a knife, not a gun. Did they forget tasers were a thing?

It's like the George Floyd cop. Why not just cuff the guy the traditional way? I never ever seen police place their knee on people's necks. They just pin them down and cuff em, drag em to the police car. Done.

[IMJ]

They're all busy throwing parades because that cop got found Guilty of murder even though "murder" is a very specific term that in no way whatsoever applies to the situation he was found Guilty of. Anyone who's ever studied Criminal Justice can tell you that.

BUT... half the country would be on fire right now if any other verdict had been made, so... sacrifice One for the good of the Many, I guess, standards be damned.

That's right. Every mouth breather would jump your $#!( for being more intellectual or more informed than they are for saying what you said here. But that fool is guilty of manslaughter - and guilty of it he is. But not murder.

[Leo656]

My understanding was she herself called the cops cause the two other girls jumped her. She pulled a knife to defend herself. If all that's true, her mistake was not dropping the knife the moment the cops showed up.

Though, why didn't the cops just tase her? She had a knife, not a gun. Did they forget tasers were a thing?

It's like the George Floyd cop. Why not just cuff the guy the traditional way? I never ever seen police place their knee on people's necks. They just pin them down and cuff em, drag em to the police car. Done.

Tasers don't always immediately immobilize people. If she was high on something like PCP she might have been able to "shrug it off" long enough to still stab the other person. Bullets leave less room for error.

I've always been fuzzy on the whole Floyd thing, as I've heard at least one version of the story where they HAD him in the car but then they let him out for whatever reason, but still had to keep him immobilized. As for why they "had to" keep him immobilized, again, he was clearly intoxicated and that's what procedure demands in such situations, because you don't know what they're on and drunk/high people are incredibly dangerous.

In either case, if Stupid People hadn't done Stupid Sh*t, they'd still be alive. People can spin that however they f*cking choose, THOSE are the hard facts. If that girl hadn't had a knife in her hands and was standing on the other side of the street, she'd still be alive. If George f*cking Floyd had been home reading his kid a book instead of out getting high and starting sh*t, he'd still be alive. People love to create "victims" and cry "racism" out of situations that are nothing more, or less, than Stupid People Doing Stupid Sh*t and in turn suffering the consequences of their actions.

Nobody should be making excuses for these people, EVER. The life of the perp is the one of LEAST value in these situations and the safety of every single other person involved, cops included, is of infinitely more importance than that of some violent lunatic who's usually drunk or high. But like Deadman pointed out, if the cops in that one situation had handled it any differently at all, that girl might've stabbed someone and then it's like, what? F*cking "oops"? No, man, you act like an idiot then you reap what you f*cking sow.

I grew up with a town that was absolutely rife with crackheads and domestic violence incidents. And yes, most of those incidents involved minorities. It was rare that anyone ever actually got SHOT by the cops, but on the rare occasion it did happen nobody batted an eye. Not even the "peers" of whoever it was that had gotten shot. What they would say was, "That's their own dumb fault, shouldn'ta done that dumb sh*t."

We've completely abdicated Personal Responsibility as a society and created victims out of criminals, and it's disgusting. Back in my day, it was cut-and-dry: "Don't Be A F*cking Idiot". NOW, you can do whatever the f*ck you want, be a crackhead, be a junkie, be a violent knife-swinging lunatic, and if something bad happens to you they'll throw you a parade and build statues in your honor, all the while screaming about "accountability" and "defund the police". It's stupid. We want the cops to be "accountable" for their actions, but not the f*cking scumbags they have to protect us from, those people get a pass. "Logic".

F*ck these people. Should'a been inside reading a goddamn book. Problem solved.

[Leo656]

That's right. Every mouth breather would jump your $#!( for being more intellectual or more informed than they are. But that fool is guilty of manslaughter - and guilty of it he is. But not murder.

Yeah, like that's literally why the charge of "manslaughter" even exists. Cases like that one specifically. It's basically, "I didn't MEAN to kill him, but... oops." That's exactly what happened and that's exactly what "manslaughter" is.

"Murder" implies intent. Even second- or third-degree murder would suggest that the cop knelt on his neck purposely so that he WOULD die rather than just be restrained. In the case of third-degree it's a little bit murkier, because all that's necessary to fit that definition is "reckless disregard", but the term "murder" still implies intent.

And I - and a lot of people - have a VERY hard time believing that this cop - with a bunch of people watching and cameras on him and everything - MEANT to kill the guy by kneeling on him. I don't buy that at all.

Manslaughter would be applicable and acceptable. No problem there. Could've been more careful, and a guy died (who probably would have OD'ed anyway, but we're not supposed to dwell on that). So sure, charge and convict on manslaughter, the appropriate term. That's fine and fair.

The "murder" conviction was nothing more than serving the cop up as a "necessary sacrifice" so that a bunch of "progressive and well-meaning" people didn't "peacefully protest" a bunch of major cities into a smoking burnt-out husk. Any idiot could see it, and whether that was "necessary" or not, it still shows you exactly where we are right now. "We'd better convict this guy of a crime he technically isn't guilty of, or else."

But the cops are the Bad Guys. :lol: Jesus. I don't even particularly like cops, I just end up having to defend them because Obvious Bullsh*t Is Obvious and it gets on my goddamn nerves.

[1987]

the reason they’re still protesting and rioting even after the guilty verdict, that’s just not good enough for blm. they want full abolition of the minneapolis police. these people are fu*king degenerate lunatics who don’t even work or contribute anything to society other than civil unrest. they have all the time in the world to organize these democrat funded blm protests (act blue /george soros funded), and get mad when a cop stops the crime in progress, which can only get worse with the criminal resisting arrest. maybe people should just stop breaking the law?

the other 3 officers involved in the george floyd case still have court cases coming up, you just know blm will be watching those trials like a hawk ready to bust out rioting as soon as they hear a verdict they don’t like. what’s worse is we got scumbags like maxine waters and nancy pelosi adding fuel to the fire, inciting violence, encouraging protests and glorifying these criminals, and the mainstream media and woke atheltes and celebrities all support it as well, they have an evil agenda to bring down the usa.

it’s obvious democrats don’t really care about black people, just look at joe biden’s history of segregation politics and the 1994 crime bill. they are just using black people for their votes and blaming everything racist on the other side, when in reality democrats founded the kkk.

[Leo656]

what’s worse is we got scumbags like maxine waters and nancy pelosi adding fuel to the fire

Oh, Lord, don't get me started on Those Two. Throw Sharpton in there and you've got a Three-Ring Race-Hustler Circus.

Some people seriously aren't gonna be happy until a full-blown race war breaks out. When I was a kid, people used to warn me about it and I'd laugh.

I'm no longer laughing.

[oldmanwinters]

I'll confess I expected Minneapolis to be overrun in lawlessness and looting regardless of the outcome of the verdict in the Chauvin trial, so I guess this week is a win for humanity, all things considered.

[Leo656]

But that's the thing, though; a guy got convicted of what's technically an erroneous charge, because The Powers That be knew that it was the only way to keep those "peaceful protestors" from burning Minneapolis to the ground.

What the F*CK does THAT say? "We know what's Right, but we have to do what's Wrong so that certain people don't throw a fit"?

That's not "Justice". "Justice" would be, you convict on manslaughter and let that be "good enough". "Nah, those illiterate chucklef*cks with the bricks and tiki torches aren't gonna have the patience for nuance and distinction; it's 'murder' or we're all in serious trouble." Except he wasn't guilty of murder.

OJ walked because of "reasonable doubt". Even though no, there wasn't. Because The Powers-That-Be knew what would happen if they convicted him. "We gotta let him walk, Or Else." Same thing in reverse. "It's the wrong charge, and we have Maxine out here telling people to riot if the verdict isn't exactly what they want... but we can't rule a mistrial, and we can't settle for manslaughter. HAS to be murder... Or Else."

Things really, REALLY shouldn't be this way.

[Coola Yagami]

But that's the thing, though; a guy got convicted of what's technically an erroneous charge, because The Powers That be knew that it was the only way to keep those "peaceful protestors" from burning Minneapolis to the ground.

What the F*CK does THAT say? "We know what's Right, but we have to do what's Wrong so that certain people don't throw a fit"?

That's not "Justice". "Justice" would be, you convict on manslaughter and let that be "good enough". "Nah, those illiterate chucklef*cks with the bricks and tiki torches aren't gonna have the patience for nuance and distinction; it's 'murder' or we're all in serious trouble." Except he wasn't guilty of murder.

OJ walked because of "reasonable doubt". Even though no, there wasn't. Because The Powers-That-Be knew what would happen if they convicted him. "We gotta let him walk, Or Else." Same thing in reverse. "It's the wrong charge, and we have Maxine out here telling people to riot if the verdict isn't exactly what they want... but we can't rule a mistrial, and we can't settle for manslaughter. HAS to be murder... Or Else."

Things really, REALLY shouldn't be this way.

I was too young to remember the full details on the OJ Trail. At the time why was it a 'we gotta let him walk, or else' situation?

[Leo656]

Because Every Single Black Person In America decided the second they saw the Bronco chase on TV that it was all a set-up. "That guy was a Super Bowl Champion, he couldn't kill anybody! We seen him on TV!" The Rodney King riots were still fresh in everybody's mind, and Black America was basically making some not-too-subtle "hints" during the entire trial that if OJ got convicted, it was gonna be ten times worse than the King riots, nationwide.

Especially after it came out that Once Upon A Time, one of the officers involved had said The N-Word, therefore the entire investigation was forfeit. "CLEARLY this whole thing is just a set-up to put an innocent black man in jail, because the LAPD has nothing better to do than frame celebrities for murder by planting DNA evidence and then going on extended televised car chases. That's OBVIOUSLY what's happening, here."

So OJ cut his ex-wife's head off, stabbed her boyfriend a million times, left his own blood at the scene and walked away with it. Because "If you put him in jail, that's Systemic Racism and we won't stand for it."

Look, racism is Bad. But it isn't worse than killing people, I'm sorry. But to some people, it is. And Those People have way too much power in the current societal climate. But again, we've been heading in that direction for a very long time.

[IMJ]

If they don't riot right away, they will anyway when he appeals the verdict, which he can do because of manipulative, horrible people like Maxine Waters.

And what's more?

If you ask me, she was doing it as a double en tendre. She knew that it would rile her constituents up now, and she knew that she was creating an appeal situation for that fool cop so that when he appeals and gets a new verdict that she can do it again and call it "injustice" when in fact she created the opening for it, possibly by design.

So help me, I believe that she actually did that on purpose as a method for furthered "justified anarchy".

[Leo656]

I wouldn't doubt it. Didn't the judge even say out loud that her comments opened the door for the cop to appeal?

He already had a case for appeal ANYWAY based on the dodgy interpretation of the word "murder" in this case, but even more now.

Either it was what you're saying, OR Maxine's a complete idiot. I can actually believe either!

[Prowler]

It's crazy how divided we are on the political spectrum now. America feels comprised of two very different teams more than ever before, in my life at least.

Honestly, that's what I love about powerful art or entertainment becoming mainstream. Not just in America, but all over the world. It's a nice idea that despite all our differences, maybe we can all find noble values in the acts of a guy who dresses up as a Bat or a girl with a laser sword.

It's sort of silly from one perspective, but I think it's comforting that we have common ground somewhere and hopefully it can slowly help lead us to a similar place of understanding or common notions of right and wrong, in some small way.

Yes. It does seem like your politics are more similat to sports rivalries than actual politics. I wonder if it's due to you having bipartisan system. Your other political parties are too small and insignificant to count.

In most other democratic nations there's several different parties. And whole there's always 2 or 3 bigger owns that tend to win most elections, medium and smaller sized parties can get some power by forming coalitions with the larger parties.

I dunno if it's so practical for USA to essentially have two political parties and anyone with political aspiritons having to decide between those two only. How did your system turn out so bipartisan anyway? It's almost like they're more like two major rival companies like Coca-Cola and Pepsi instead of simply political parties.

[Leo656]

A lot of it has to do with people only being comfortable with the ILLUSION of choice. They get confused and intimidated by too many options.

Part of it is also tribalism, the inherent need to "belong" and be part of the In Crowd. That's a huge part of American culture, being part of "The Right Group". All of that gets diluted if there's too many "tribes" to choose from.

And then of course there's money. It's really the corporations who dictate policy by brib- errr, "lobbying" the politicians. They prefer to keep things nice and neat and not spread that money around more than they have to because it's just easier that way. Too many parties and competing interests would make it a lot harder for them to "lobby", so everything gets forced into just two boxes.

It's all kind of just a big scam built to keep up appearances and let people think they actually have a say in anything. If voting actually mattered, they wouldn't let us do it.

[Prowler]

A lot of it has to do with people only being comfortable with the ILLUSION of choice. They get confused and intimidated by too many options.

Part of it is also tribalism, the inherent need to "belong" and be part of the In Crowd. That's a huge part of American culture, being part of "The Right Group". All of that gets diluted if there's too many "tribes" to choose from.

And then of course there's money. It's really the corporations who dictate policy by brib- errr, "lobbying" the politicians. They prefer to keep things nice and neat and not spread that money around more than they have to because it's just easier that way. Too many parties and competing interests would make it a lot harder for them to "lobby", so everything gets forced into just two boxes.

It's all kind of just a big scam built to keep up appearances and let people think they actually have a say in anything. If voting actually mattered, they wouldn't let us do it.

It's funny cuz your politics are similar to football rivalries in Europe while our politics are more similar to your sports rivalries. You look at videos from American stadiums and arenas and the fans are a lot quieter and peaceful while in most of the world you have football fans fighting or sometimes even killing each other :lol:. It seems like you guys prefer saving that for politics instead.

Well that's smart from the big 2 parties in a business sense. They've somehow managed to build a monopoly. They're clearly more of a business than political parties.

Another thing that's strange... apparently both parties "switched"? Before the 60s or something Republicans were left-wing and Democrats right-wing. What?

[mrmaczaps]

Another thing that's strange... apparently both parties "switched"? Before the 60s or something Republicans were left-wing and Democrats right-wing. What?

This is actually factually incorrect.
The Lunatic Left says this all the time but it did not happen.

The left is pro slavery (government assistance), kkk (race based groups) and control. To some extent the political right is also pro control, too though.

[Coola Yagami]

Because Every Single Black Person In America decided the second they saw the Bronco chase on TV that it was all a set-up. "That guy was a Super Bowl Champion, he couldn't kill anybody! We seen him on TV!" The Rodney King riots were still fresh in everybody's mind, and Black America was basically making some not-too-subtle "hints" during the entire trial that if OJ got convicted, it was gonna be ten times worse than the King riots, nationwide.

Especially after it came out that Once Upon A Time, one of the officers involved had said The N-Word, therefore the entire investigation was forfeit. "CLEARLY this whole thing is just a set-up to put an innocent black man in jail, because the LAPD has nothing better to do than frame celebrities for murder by planting DNA evidence and then going on extended televised car chases. That's OBVIOUSLY what's happening, here."

So OJ cut his ex-wife's head off, stabbed her boyfriend a million times, left his own blood at the scene and walked away with it. Because "If you put him in jail, that's Systemic Racism and we won't stand for it."

Look, racism is Bad. But it isn't worse than killing people, I'm sorry. But to some people, it is. And Those People have way too much power in the current societal climate. But again, we've been heading in that direction for a very long time.

My memory is so foggy on that, unless there was some time between the two events. I remember shows like In Living Color bringing up the Rodney King thing, and I was a little one back then still in the states. But I also seem to recall living in Mexico during the time we heard the occasional news report about how the OJ trial was going. Hmmmm.

[Leo656]

Roughly two years apart, so the King incident was still an open wound for a lot of people. And the riots were still a frequent topic of conversation, and the OJ thing just exacerbated everything.

I was only like 12 myself but it was impossible to avoid. It was all over TV, everybody's parents were hooked on the trial coverage, shows like Roseanne were making jokes about it, it was all over the magazines at the grocery store and the 7-11... even if you weren't trying to pay attention it was pretty hard to ignore. Even the kids at school all had opinions; more so the black kids than the white kids. Suddenly these 10-12 year old kids were all legal experts who would lecture you at length about how "OJ couldn't possibly be guilty" because "My Dad says all cops frame black people" and "It's all part of the White Conspiracy, they couldn't take down Michael Jackson so they're gonna try and take OJ away from us." I'm dead serious. You couldn't make this sh*t up if you tried.

Not exclusively the black kids, though, just mostly. Most of the white kids either didn't give a sh*t, or only really cared at all because their parents were always talking about it, and like most sane people they felt like he was guilty. But I remember vividly I was at recess the day the verdict came in, one of the (white) kids heard it on the radio or something and started running through the playground yelling "OJ's going home! They said 'Not Guilty'! He's free!" And then the guidance counselor (who was also the recess monitor) pulled him aside in front of everyone on the playground, looked him in the eye and very sternly said loud enough for everyone around to hear, "What the hell is wrong with you? The guy killed two people and got away with it. This isn't a joke. Nobody should be happy about this. It's not a goddamn joke. You're happy that he got away with murder? You ought'a be ashamed of yourself." That kid was the biggest loudmouth in school, and that was the first and last time I ever saw him speechless; he looked like he wanted to crawl in a hole and disappear.

That was one of the first times I remember a criminal openly playing the race card to get out of taking responsibility for something they very obviously did, but nowadays it's become standard operating procedure. In hindsight, it should have been very easy to predict. It was just that back then, people kind of assumed that OJ's money got him off the hook. "It wasn't JUST because he said the cops were racist, that wouldn't be enough to make people think he didn't kill those people."

But yeah, turns out that really IS all you need to say to flip the script and get all the heat off of you. You can be a rapist, a terrorist, a pedophile or a murderer. But if you say "THAT other guy's a racist, though," all your sins are forgiven.

You can even jam a loaded gun into a pregnant woman's stomach and threaten to pull the trigger during a drug-fueled home invasion, and people will spin a "Cops Are Racist" narrative and build statues in your honor if you die under regrettable circumstances. Just ask ol' Floyd. I bet the woman he tried to shoot (and her kid, however old they are now) don't think he's a martyr or a hero or a "pillar of his community"; but oddly enough, nobody ever asked them what THEY think. Shocking.

[Mayhem]

Another thing that's strange... apparently both parties "switched"? Before the 60s or something Republicans were left-wing and Democrats right-wing. What?
Yeah, over a century ago. The Democrats used to occupy the political spectrum position where the Republicans are today, and vice versa. In the same way a century ago, pink was the colour for boys and blue was the colour for girls. Things change, and they do. So while it's factually correct to say the KKK was likely set up by then supporters of the Democratic party, if the same happened today it would be members of the Republican party instead.

Today's BLM protests and argument for equality, isn't actually too far from what suffragettes did here a hundred years ago to fight for equality. Read up about what some of them did if you are unfamiliar. There are compelling parallels.

[Prowler]

OJ's trial was on the news worldwide. I was a toddler when it happened, so no way I can remember it, but my mother told me it was frequently on the news here in Portugal as well.

OJ Simpson is the only American football player to achieve worldwide "fame", and it's because of everything else instead of what he did in that sport lol

Mayhem: BLM come more across as lobbyists to me than people fighting for equality. I don't have much sympathy for that movement.

[Coola Yagami]

Roughly two years apart, so the King incident was still an open wound for a lot of people. And the riots were still a frequent topic of conversation, and the OJ thing just exacerbated everything.

I was only like 12 myself but it was impossible to avoid. It was all over TV, everybody's parents were hooked on the trial coverage, shows like Roseanne were making jokes about it, it was all over the magazines at the grocery store and the 7-11... even if you weren't trying to pay attention it was pretty hard to ignore. Even the kids at school all had opinions; more so the black kids than the white kids. Suddenly these 10-12 year old kids were all legal experts who would lecture you at length about how "OJ couldn't possibly be guilty" because "My Dad says all cops frame black people" and "It's all part of the White Conspiracy, they couldn't take down Michael Jackson so they're gonna try and take OJ away from us." I'm dead serious. You couldn't make this sh*t up if you tried.

Not exclusively the black kids, though, just mostly. Most of the white kids either didn't give a sh*t, or only really cared at all because their parents were always talking about it, and like most sane people they felt like he was guilty. But I remember vividly I was at recess the day the verdict came in, one of the (white) kids heard it on the radio or something and started running through the playground yelling "OJ's going home! They said 'Not Guilty'! He's free!" And then the guidance counselor (who was also the recess monitor) pulled him aside in front of everyone on the playground, looked him in the eye and very sternly said loud enough for everyone around to hear, "What the hell is wrong with you? The guy killed two people and got away with it. This isn't a joke. Nobody should be happy about this. It's not a goddamn joke. You're happy that he got away with murder? You ought'a be ashamed of yourself." That kid was the biggest loudmouth in school, and that was the first and last time I ever saw him speechless; he looked like he wanted to crawl in a hole and disappear.

That was one of the first times I remember a criminal openly playing the race card to get out of taking responsibility for something they very obviously did, but nowadays it's become standard operating procedure. In hindsight, it should have been very easy to predict. It was just that back then, people kind of assumed that OJ's money got him off the hook. "It wasn't JUST because he said the cops were racist, that wouldn't be enough to make people think he didn't kill those people."

But yeah, turns out that really IS all you need to say to flip the script and get all the heat off of you. You can be a rapist, a terrorist, a pedophile or a murderer. But if you say "THAT other guy's a racist, though," all your sins are forgiven.

You can even jam a loaded gun into a pregnant woman's stomach and threaten to pull the trigger during a drug-fueled home invasion, and people will spin a "Cops Are Racist" narrative and build statues in your honor if you die under regrettable circumstances. Just ask ol' Floyd. I bet the woman he tried to shoot (and her kid, however old they are now) don't think he's a martyr or a hero or a "pillar of his community"; but oddly enough, nobody ever asked them what THEY think. Shocking.

Two years sounds about right. I remember moving to Mexico round the time In Living Color stopped being funny cause most everyone except maybe Carrey left the show.

Yeah...BLM is...

Like I agree with the statement, but not the organization.

Them trying to guilt people and celebs into donating, then using the money to buy mansions and **** rather than you know.... Actually helping the problem. Like ok, I know most of you don't care about celebs or Lady Gaga but it rubbed me the wrong way seeing everyone get all up in her face forcing her to admit she agreed with BLM as they had their fingers on the CancelGaga button if she dared say no or be indifferent to it. Leave her the **** alone.

I agree with a YouTuber I disagree with often, BLM gets away with ALOT due to their name. It's almost impossible to say you don't agree with them without sounding like a racist. What, are you saying black lives don't matter??? Then these incidents like 'I thought my gun was the taser' and whatnot keep happening to continue to escalate the issue.

These are things I keep out of my FB and social media cause I'd be cancelled to hell and back and lose ALL my friends. Cause again, it sounds racist to say you disagree. But like how are the founders buying expensive new cars with donation money helping the cause?

[Prowler]

Bingo, Coola. The problem is the movement. Of course black people's lives matter. As do the lives of people of any other race. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with the way BLM operate.

Yes, it's ridiculous. I'm not afraid of getting cancelled on FB because most people in my country don't care about BLM. But on twitter I follow a lot of Americans and British people and vice versa. So I bite my tongue and don't mention anything about BLM or politics in general, because I just know someone would try giving me **** for it and misinterpret my statements.

[Andrew NDB]

The problem is also the BLM organization itself. Which, among other things, includes "dismantling the nuclear family" as part of its mission statement. And now their higher ups are getting in trouble for buying themselves expensive mansions from the donations coming in.

[Prowler]

The problem is also the BLM organization itself. Which, among other things, includes "dismantling the nuclear family" as part of its mission statement. And now their higher ups are getting in trouble for buying themselves expensive mansions from the donations coming in.

Wait what? What do they mean by "dismantling the nuclear family"? Isn't that the problem of a lot of black people living in poverty in the US? The fact they often live in single mum homes? So why is BLM trying to make the problem worse?

[Vegita-San]

Yeah, like that's literally why the charge of "manslaughter" even exists. Cases like that one specifically. It's basically, "I didn't MEAN to kill him, but... oops." That's exactly what happened and that's exactly what "manslaughter" is.

"Murder" implies intent. Even second- or third-degree murder would suggest that the cop knelt on his neck purposely so that he WOULD die rather than just be restrained. In the case of third-degree it's a little bit murkier, because all that's necessary to fit that definition is "reckless disregard", but the term "murder" still implies intent.

And I - and a lot of people - have a VERY hard time believing that this cop - with a bunch of people watching and cameras on him and everything - MEANT to kill the guy by kneeling on him. I don't buy that at all.

Manslaughter would be applicable and acceptable. No problem there. Could've been more careful, and a guy died (who probably would have OD'ed anyway, but we're not supposed to dwell on that). So sure, charge and convict on manslaughter, the appropriate term. That's fine and fair.

The "murder" conviction was nothing more than serving the cop up as a "necessary sacrifice" so that a bunch of "progressive and well-meaning" people didn't "peacefully protest" a bunch of major cities into a smoking burnt-out husk. Any idiot could see it, and whether that was "necessary" or not, it still shows you exactly where we are right now. "We'd better convict this guy of a crime he technically isn't guilty of, or else."

But the cops are the Bad Guys. :lol: Jesus. I don't even particularly like cops, I just end up having to defend them because Obvious Bullsh*t Is Obvious and it gets on my goddamn nerves.

why does it take a turtle forum to have the most common sense I've seen online?

[Leo656]

Wait what? What do they mean by "dismantling the nuclear family"? Isn't that the problem of a lot of black people living in poverty in the US? The fact they often live in single mum homes? So why is BLM trying to make the problem worse?

I don't think it's exclusively a racial thing. A LOT of left-leaning people have been very loudly insisting for quite some time now that "kids don't need two parents to turn out alright," except most impartial studies pretty conclusively prove that Uh, YEAH you f*cking do.

At the very LEAST a kid needs to grow up in a two-income household for the simple fact of stability. But a lot of people much smarter and better-paid than I am can lecture at length about all the balancing influence that a kid with two parents is going to grow up getting, versus someone with only one parent. And while I personally don't have any problem whatsoever with gay marriage, or gay couples raising kids, in THEORY - a lot of "experts" also strongly suggest that kids benefit from having both a Male and Female perspective during their formative years. Ultimately, the MOST important thing is always going to be that the kid grows up in a stable, supportive, and loving environment, and that trumps having a Mom and a Dad or two of either, in and of itself, BUT... the jury's still out on what kind of long-term effects kids raised under same-sex parents will have on a mass scale, and a lot of studies do suggest that having a Mom and a Dad can nurture kids into generally becoming more balanced and well-rounded people. Some reports suggest that kids raised with two Moms grow up with a strong anti-male bias, for example, or that kids raised by same-sex parents might be "pressured" either overtly or subconsciously to be homosexual themselves; who actually knows if that's true, but for some it's a cause of concern. And the fact is, we honestly DON'T know yet.

So yeah, in a society where divorce is rampant, women are encouraged to raise kids out of wedlock for the sake of proving that she's a "strong, independent woman" (regardless of how it affects the kid), and same-sex couples are raising kids in unprecedented numbers (and again, we really don't know what if any effect that's ultimately going to have on the kids they raise, if any effect at all, because it's still rather uncharted territory)... is it any wonder at all that people on the left-leaning side of things state that "breaking down the traditional family unit" is of primary importance? They'll say it's about "combating prejudice", but the truth is, it's about Vested Self-Interest.

Now, to be clear, people should be free to live however they want to, in general, but I think adding kids to the situation complicates that a bit. Kids are easily-manipulated, they pick up on cues from the people raising them, and they tend to adopt the traits and behaviors of their parents whether they mean to, want to, or not. These are facts. Just like it's a fact that kids raised in single-parent households, statistically, grow up poorer, do worse in school, act out more, have more anger issues, get involved with drugs at younger ages, have a harder time finding good jobs once they're in the workforce, have more problems with the law as adults, and earn less income over a lifetime. Now, that's obviously a broad general statement that won't apply to every single individual, but over 70 years of data backs that up. And that's just for kids raised in single-parent households; as for The Other Stuff... we really just plain don't know yet.

What we do know at the absolute least is that kids need two parents to have the objective best chance at "making it". It's irresponsible and flat-out wrong to imply otherwise. But that goes against the lifestyle a lot of people on the Left choose to live, so naturally, they want to "disprove" that theory by conducting a massive social experiment. "Dissolve the traditional family unit." Serves them well individually, but it's bad for Society as a whole.

why does it take a turtle forum to have the most common sense I've seen online?

My Mom smoked a ton of pot when she was pregnant so I kinda turned out all "X-Men" and sh*t. :lol:

[Sumac]

Left pushes for stuff, because, they think it is "counter-cultural", but in reality it is anti-logic and, in some, cases, anti-humane.

They are just dumb zealots at this point. They are ready to shoot their nuts off, if it make the other side angry or sad. It is a stance of immature capricious kid.

[Andrew NDB]

Wait what? What do they mean by "dismantling the nuclear family"? Isn't that the problem of a lot of black people living in poverty in the US? The fact they often live in single mum homes? So why is BLM trying to make the problem worse?

I think the general idea is that because a disproportional amount of black children grow up in broken homes, or without a father figure, we should then get rid of and discourage the entire idea of a mom and a dad at home for all children, so that the former is the norm and not an oddity/frowned upon and not indicative of "systemic racism" anymore. This will somehow lead to less black people taking up a life of crime, and so on.

But, as this is truly crazy, even evil thinking, I'm not 100% sure.

[ChosenOne]

So... How long until Dems push for a new $20 bill with Floyd's face on it?

I just want you to know that I laughed out loud, very hard at this. :tlol:

Thank you! May the odds be never in Dominion Voting Systems' favor!

Yes. It does seem like your politics are more similat to sports rivalries than actual politics. I wonder if it's due to you having bipartisan system. Your other political parties are too small and insignificant to count.

In most other democratic nations there's several different parties. And whole there's always 2 or 3 bigger owns that tend to win most elections, medium and smaller sized parties can get some power by forming coalitions with the larger parties.

I dunno if it's so practical for USA to essentially have two political parties and anyone with political aspiritons having to decide between those two only. How did your system turn out so bipartisan anyway? It's almost like they're more like two major rival companies like Coca-Cola and Pepsi instead of simply political parties.

Let's be real, when has that ever happened here? It's always either PS or PSD in power. We have just as much of a bipartisan system as America.

[Leo656]

Ahhhh, F*CK, are you another one'a them Portuguese, fella?

I was sure we had a strict One'A You's limit around this place. :tgrumble:

Now you and Prowler are gonna have to play Razor Tag to see who gets to stay on the island. OR, failing that, whoever composes the best filthy limerick can stay. In the event of a tie, the winner will be decided by who can present the most convincing argument about why Fluttershy is better than Rarity.

I'm sorry. It's gonna be 38 hours soon since I've slept, and I've suddenly gained the ability to taste colors and hear yogurt. I'm probably not making much sense, but that's because the President of the Boxed Wine and Paper Clips Foundation put a wiretap on my phone. I'm told "That's how they get ya", but I happen to know that that's bullsh*t. I know for a FACT that squirrels in the drinking water are in fact how they ACTUALLY get you. Lucky for me, I already have radar so that bullsh*t isn't gonna work on me.

Anyways yeah you guys figure out which one of the Portuguese guys gets to live and come find me later. Don't forget, it's like SUPER important.

[1987]

yup, that’s exactly what happened. so much race baiting propaganda and protests and riots by the mob, and threats to release the names and addresses of the jurors. mob rule pretty much decided the verdict on the george floyd case. the same group of people also were protesting the 2020 election audit court cases, why else would all those courts “throw out” the court cases without even looking at the evidence? they were probably scared for their life. interesting how there is some kind of audit going on now in arizona and democrats are doing everything in their power to stop it.

also interesting how blm insurrectionists stormed the capitol in oklahoma this week to protest the new “anti-riot” laws that were passed, and gets very minimal media coverage:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/blm-protesters-oklahoma-capitol-gop-bills-drivers-riot-police-doxxing-transgender

of course it would be considered “racist” to condemn these actions by blm. they have every right to block traffic and terrorize people, right??? unfu**ngbelievable the clown world we live in now. wrong is right and right is wrong. blm and antifa terrorists are still out there harassing customers at outdoor dining restaurants, they want to destroy small businesses and empower the big corporations. terrorist groups that go around terrorizing innocent people and blocking traffic deserve to get their a$$ run over (sorry not sorry). all this crazy sh*t going on now is just distractions to what the elite globalists are really doing behind the scenes.

honestly though i feel it’s all just media hype and that most people are not really on board with this radical anti-american agenda. people have blm signs on their businesses now cause they are terrorized by what they see blm doing all over the country in democrat run cities. democrats love criminals. also neighborhoods where every house has a blm lawn sign, imagine being the one house on the block without a blm sign....NAZI!!!!

[ChosenOne]

OR, failing that, whoever composes the best filthy limerick can stay.

A'ight, here's my entry:

There once was a senile puppet named Joe
Whose wits and speech were equally slow
But Arizona held an audit
The uniparty said "F*ck it!"
And he was replaced by a skanky old hoe

How'd I do?

[superstaff]

At the very LEAST a kid needs to grow up in a two-income household for the simple fact of stability. But a lot of people much smarter and better-paid than I am can lecture at length about all the balancing influence that a kid with two parents is going to grow up getting, versus someone with only one parent. And while I personally don't have any problem whatsoever with gay marriage, or gay couples raising kids, in THEORY - a lot of "experts" also strongly suggest that kids benefit from having both a Male and Female perspective during their formative years. Ultimately, the MOST important thing is always going to be that the kid grows up in a stable, supportive, and loving environment, and that trumps having a Mom and a Dad or two of either, in and of itself, BUT... the jury's still out on what kind of long-term effects kids raised under same-sex parents will have on a mass scale, and a lot of studies do suggest that having a Mom and a Dad can nurture kids into generally becoming more balanced and well-rounded people. Some reports suggest that kids raised with two Moms grow up with a strong anti-male bias, for example, or that kids raised by same-sex parents might be "pressured" either overtly or subconsciously to be homosexual themselves; who actually knows if that's true, but for some it's a cause of concern. And the fact is, we honestly DON'T know yet.

So yeah, in a society where divorce is rampant, women are encouraged to raise kids out of wedlock for the sake of proving that she's a "strong, independent woman" (regardless of how it affects the kid), and same-sex couples are raising kids in unprecedented numbers (and again, we really don't know what if any effect that's ultimately going to have on the kids they raise, if any effect at all, because it's still rather uncharted territory)... is it any wonder at all that people on the left-leaning side of things state that "breaking down the traditional family unit" is of primary importance? They'll say it's about "combating prejudice", but the truth is, it's about Vested Self-Interest.

Now, to be clear, people should be free to live however they want to, in general, but I think adding kids to the situation complicates that a bit. Kids are easily-manipulated, they pick up on cues from the people raising them, and they tend to adopt the traits and behaviors of their parents whether they mean to, want to, or not. These are facts. Just like it's a fact that kids raised in single-parent households, statistically, grow up poorer, do worse in school, act out more, have more anger issues, get involved with drugs at younger ages, have a harder time finding good jobs once they're in the workforce, have more problems with the law as adults, and earn less income over a lifetime. Now, that's obviously a broad general statement that won't apply to every single individual, but over 70 years of data backs that up. And that's just for kids raised in single-parent households; as for The Other Stuff... we really just plain don't know yet.

What we do know at the absolute least is that kids need two parents to have the objective best chance at "making it". It's irresponsible and flat-out wrong to imply otherwise. But that goes against the lifestyle a lot of people on the Left choose to live, so naturally, they want to "disprove" that theory by conducting a massive social experiment. "Dissolve the traditional family unit." Serves them well individually, but it's bad for Society as a whole.


I don't want to get too personal on here, but I'll just say that I grew up with two parents. My home environment as a child was...not great. It was dysfunctional at best, and abusive at worst, depending on circumstances. Both of my parents were...not great, I'll just say. Monetary-wise, we did okay. Not rich, but not poor. Still, I'd say my upbringing was not awesome at all. I've had people tell me I'm lucky to have grown up with both parents, and no divorce (though my parents did divorce after I turned 18). I still don't feel very blessed. I feel like having a loving environment is more important than having two parents present, even if it means being raised by one parent or in some sort of alternative parenting situation (gay couple, adoptive couple etc). It's a very complex situation, and honestly, I think it's rare for kids to grow up in a 100% completely normal, supportive household nowadays.

[Prowler]

I grew up with my mother and grandmother. My father died around the time I was born.

My childhood was still good and we had a normal middle class life. Could be because my mother was a teacher, so her job security was never in jeopardy. Plus teachers in the public school system here make more money the older they get.

But yeah, I was probably more of an exception to the rule if anything. Obviously two parents are the ideal for kids on average. And being part of a single parent household when you live in the ghetto or a poor part of town is gönne make things a lot harder for you.

[Leo656]

I don't want to get too personal on here, but I'll just say that I grew up with two parents. My home environment as a child was...not great. It was dysfunctional at best, and abusive at worst, depending on circumstances. Both of my parents were...not great, I'll just say. Monetary-wise, we did okay. Not rich, but not poor. Still, I'd say my upbringing was not awesome at all. I've had people tell me I'm lucky to have grown up with both parents, and no divorce (though my parents did divorce after I turned 18). I still don't feel very blessed. I feel like having a loving environment is more important than having two parents present, even if it means being raised by one parent or in some sort of alternative parenting situation (gay couple, adoptive couple etc). It's a very complex situation, and honestly, I think it's rare for kids to grow up in a 100% completely normal, supportive household nowadays.

No, I get that, I had two parents until I was 14 and they both smoked crack so that wasn't very stable at all.

Obviously, there are individual outliers to any situation.

However, statistically-speaking: Two parents, both working, and optimally creating a caring and supportive environment is still the BEST objective environment in which to raise a child.

Obviously there are a lot of variables there, but when all things line up as they should then that kid is still going to get a better head start than one raised by a single parent working two jobs, or whatever.

Obviously a kid raised by two parents in which one (or both) are complete screw-ups isn't going to have that same "head start", and in fact might fall behind a kid raised by one parent who did their best.

But I wasn't really speaking towards the variables, I was speaking to what's Optimal. "Optimal" implies all parts of the scenario functioning as intended. Which in turn implies both parents working, sober, and invested in their child's well-being.

That remains the Best Possible Scenario, even if many times people fail to uphold that ideal. It also doesn't imply that kids raised outside of "ideal" parameters still can't grow up to be well-functioning and achieve. It simply points out what works Best, with the best long-term potential for success.

[Andrew NDB]

Sh**. My mom was old school Colombia. Meaning, smacking the crap out of me every time I did bad. She immigrated here legally and all after many years of woe and then afterward fought for and won her citizenship and even got in the Seattle Times front page with her crazy hat (like, seriously, I can post it right now).

Though... had I not had a dad? My mom was and is a little lady. She is like 4 foot 9". Maybe. Without the threat of my dad to actually mete out real punishment when I was f***ing around (and oh, I did) and my mom wasn't satisfied... I'd probably have laughed her away, honestly. God knows I tried to. Seriously, I'd have been like, "Screw you, I'm hanging with these apparently cool friends" and that would have been the worst thing ever for me.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I was a real "Can't tell me sh*t" kinda kid. Especially because my parents were such bad role models. I was always like, "You guys are in jail half the time, you ain't telling me a goddamn thing." They were both pretty abusive, which only got worse as I got older and they got worse and worse with the drugs (in my Mom's case, drugs and alcohol). I'm not exactly proud of it but I had to knock out either of them more than once. I had a fistfight with my Mom just a few months before she died. I was getting into brawls with my Dad until I was around 25.

I'm really only a good person with a strong moral compass because I chose to be. It certainly had nothing to do with how I was raised. Most kids in my town with an upbringing similar to mine spent their whole lives in and out of jail, got hooked on drugs, sh*t like that. A few of 'em are dead. As corny as it sounds, as a kid I just took the stuff I learned from Superman and He-Man really, really seriously and that's honestly why I never took the "wrong path". I definitely could've; most did, and there was nothing stopping me. I just didn't want to. I've even had counselors and therapists remark that "You're pretty much one of the only people to come out of your type of upbringing and end up making the right choice; most just give up." So even in spite of all that happened, I do take pride in the fact that I didn't fall like so many others before me and since have.

So yeah, it's not as simple as "Two parents = Good Kid, Happy Life". Not at all. Other things within that situation also have to function as nature and society intended.

But meanwhile, there's my Godparents (one of whom is my much older cousin, and her husband was one of my Dad's friends). Got sober when they had kids. Always worked, made good money. Moderate discipline, like not harsh but the kids got spanked or slapped when necessary. Sent their kids to "good" schools. Did things together as a family often. Both their kids turned out great, and their lives are about a THOUSAND times better than mine. The daughter kind of went through a "wild patch" in her teens doing drugs and sh*t but she eventually grew out of it; she has her own kids now and she's doing fine, although she recently divorced the kid's Dad and I think she's with a new guy now.

So yeah, my own family is a pretty stark example of how the "Two-Parent Unit" can go either Perfectly Right or Horribly Wrong, depending on a number of variables. But when it Works, it works better than all alternatives. That's simply an objective fact.

[1987]

let the 2022 race wars begin!

we’ve been seeing an uptick in racist narratives and race motivated white supremacist terror attacks lately.

shifting gears again from covid to racism. the new world order is at it again. they need riots to steal the elections again.

im afraid we may see more and more of this leading up to the midterms and 2024 elections, as we’ve seen in recent history. by now we’ve seen how the new world order operates and it looks like they’re at it again with the racist narratives.

[Andrew NDB]

That can't be true. Biden's campaign said he was going to unify everybody.

[Sumac]

let the 2022 race wars begin!

we’ve been seeing an uptick in racist narratives and race motivated white supremacist terror attacks lately.

shifting gears again from covid to racism. the new world order is at it again. they need riots to steal the elections again.

im afraid we may see more and more of this leading up to the midterms and 2024 elections, as we’ve seen in recent history. by now we’ve seen how the new world order operates and it looks like they’re at it again with the racist narratives.
Can you shut up with your lunatic fantasies about Reptiloids from Nibiru trying to probe you in the ass?
Its neither smart of funny.

[superstaff]

Can you shut up with your lunatic fantasies about Reptiloids from Nibiru trying to probe you in the ass?
Its neither smart of funny.

The thing is, I can agree that there are forces at play that are attempting to manipulate the masses with all the political discord going on in the US, and around the world, really. I think a lot of politicians are profiting, both figuratively and literally, over things like riots, vaccine mandates, etc. I think most people here can agree that something is...up. I don't really trust that the government (or the media or Hollywood celebrities) has our best interests at heart, and are instead seeking more control out of the citizenry. I think this explains a lot of the 'woke' propaganda being pushed as well, it's an attempt at manipulating, controlling, and shaping a narrative they want to make reality.

I think 1987 is...going too far with this concept, and injecting a lot of fantasy into it. His posts are almost gleeful about the idea of the governments coming together to screw us all over, content that there's a secret organization out to "get us". That's one of the things I dislike about conspiracy theorists, they just let these delusions fester, and seem to delight in the notion that there's a race war coming or that there's a NWO that's going to crush humanity. Reptile Mutants are also just... :roll: Ugh. This is a TMNT forum, so I guess ideas that mutants are real is...a theory. But he shouldn't be shocked that people are going to look at his comments, and think he's a Looney Toon.

[IndigoErth]

Can you shut up with your lunatic fantasies about Reptiloids from Nibiru trying to probe you in the ass?
Its neither smart of funny.
I was resisting asking in another of his new threads when it will devolve into insisting it was aliens, but you said it better.

[Coola Yagami]

Can you shut up with your lunatic fantasies about Reptiloids from Nibiru trying to probe you in the ass?
Its neither smart or funny.

Neither smart, or funny.... but also not entirely wrong.

Remember there was a time when everyone thought 'naw, they'll never do forced mandates' 'variants to ensure boosters? that's tin foil hat stuff'.

[Sumac]

One thing is not trusting governments - another, as superstaff had said, being gleeful about some insane conspiracy existing to solely destroy everyone.

Also, never attribute to maliciousness something, which can be explained with plain stupidity.

In general, conspiracy nuts are o better than rabid SJWs or any other type of zealots.

[superstaff]

Maybe it's just me, but I honestly think malice and stupidity often go hand in hand.

[1987]

Can you shut up with your lunatic fantasies about Reptiloids from Nibiru trying to probe you in the ass?
Its neither smart of funny.

I was resisting asking in another of his new threads when it will devolve into insisting it was aliens, but you said it better.

reptiloids? aliens? like you 2 are like literally like the only ones here like talking about like aliens n stuff lol like literally LOL. cry mooaarr! maybe take a look in the mirror? using some bogus theory trying to discredit actual conspiracies that are happening is an old cointel cnn tactic and apparently you haven’t learned anything about conspiracy theories this past 2 years….sad! keep trusting your big gov masters and donate to that ukraine relief fund, nwo would love that!

biden is set to visit Buffalo NY today to show support for the victims families, ironically he never visited the site of the Waukesha parade massacre because the attacker was a black supremacist, that would be racist. however the Buffalo incident was a white supremacist so it fits perfectly into the leftist narrative and he can talk all day about how white supremacy is our greatest threat. as if we needed more reason to believe these attacks and their media coverage aren’t politically motivated.

[superstaff]

reptiloids? aliens? like you 2 are like literally like the only ones here like talking about like aliens n stuff lol like literally LOL. cry mooaarr! maybe take a look in the mirror? using some bogus theory trying to discredit actual conspiracies that are happening is an old cointel cnn tactic and apparently you haven’t learned anything about conspiracy theories this past 2 years….sad! keep trusting your big gov masters and donate to that ukraine relief fund, nwo would love that!


You're not going to win anyone over by saying stuff like this, dude.

[Sumac]

reptiloids? aliens? like you 2 are like literally like the only ones here like talking about like aliens n stuff lol like literally LOL. cry mooaarr! maybe take a look in the mirror? using some bogus theory trying to discredit actual conspiracies that are happening is an old cointel cnn tactic and apparently you haven’t learned anything about conspiracy theories this past 2 years….sad! keep trusting your big gov masters and donate to that ukraine relief fund, nwo would love that!
I hope you have lots of tinfoil...seems you will need it a lot. :lol:

[ProphetofGanja]

As a general rule of thumb, if I see it on the news I don't believe it*

[FredWolfLeonardo]

As a general rule of thumb, if I see it on the news I don't believe it*

I think that's a good rule.

[1987]

You're not going to win anyone over by saying stuff like this, dude.

i get that people don’t wanna hear the truth when it contradicts their preferred narrative and political stance, i get it. i just call it like it is. and if you don’t like that, well, i really don’t care.

anyway, as expected, biden is inciting more riots using the “white supremacist” boogeyman narrative again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1526627890539929602?cxt=HHwWhICx_cv-1a8qAAAA

the nerve of a man who held hands with kkk leader/klansmen robert byrd, who wrote the 1994 crime bill that punished black people, to be lecturing us about white supremacy.

biden’s speech today officially shifted the gears from covid to racism. midterm elections are very important to the new world order, and they need to start inciting these riots now to intimidate voters, more false flags to make people scared to leave the house, easier to steal elections that way. and of course with the help of mail in ballots, “to be safe from covid” but protests and riots are covid-free. we’ve all seen this movie before.

get ready for another “summer of love”

[Coola Yagami]

get ready for another “summer of love”

Yeah another round of *coughs* mostly peaceful protests *coughs*. I hate that these hypocrites lose their **** over the Canadian Trucker Convoy that was an actual peaceful protest.

[IndigoErth]

reptiloids? aliens? like you 2 are like literally like...
Eh huh... You're the sort of personality that death cults easily grab up if it wasn't for Christianity keeping a leash on you for your own safety.

[1987]

Eh huh... You're the sort of personality that death cults easily grab up if it wasn't for Christianity keeping a leash on you for your own safety.

ah, so you’re against Christianity… got it.

[Leo656]

Why would that be shocking? Most people nowadays eschew all religion entirely. It's a sign of the times. We know how the sun works, now, we don't need to make up stories to try and explain stuff.

[IndigoErth]

ah, so you’re against Christianity… got it.
Literally just said, in other words, that it's the only thing saving you from your behavior, but sure, whatever, I couldn't care less about that or any religion.

[1987]

Literally just said, in other words, that it's the only thing saving you from your behavior, but sure, whatever, I couldn't care less about that or any religion.

not even islam? you sorta come off as the type. i could be wrong though…

[IndigoErth]

The type? By which you mean what, the things you assume about left leaning people based on some script right wing extremists insist must be real?

No, don't care about any of them. I respect people's right to their own beliefs, so far as they aren't hurting or oppressing others with it, but that's all.

Don't confuse left leaning ideologies, and basic respecting of other people's right to their chosen religions, with supporting any of them. (Though will disagree with some things about them as need be.) As a lifelong atheist, none of them have ever mattered two cents to me. But thanks for the secularized spin-offs of Christian holiday spin-offs of Pagan holidays, those are enjoyable.

[Coola Yagami]

The type? By which you mean what, the things you assume about left leaning people based on some script right wing extremists insist must be real?


You mean the script the left recites almost word for word?

[Leo656]

I think it's funny as hell that someone implied Indigo might be a Muslim, considering how generally Liberal she is. :lol:

I mean, I've never once heard her advocate for bigamy, child brides, marrying one's rapist, stoning women to death for being raped, forced genital mutilation on female babies, the right for a husband to beat his wife to death for being "disobedient"... or any of that stuff that gets handwaved away as "just part of that specific religions' culture". So even if she wasn't an outspoken atheist... I'd be reasonably certain she wasn't a Muslim. :lol: C'mon guy.

Pretty sure not a single woman on planet Earth practices Islam willingly in the first place. More like they go along with it under threat of death. Either that or they just really hate women even though they accidentally are one. But that's just speculation on my part, I admit.

Anyway yeah that was pretty humorous. Next somebody's gonna accuse ME of being a Democrat, while we're just throwing sh*t at the wall in spite of logic or evidence. :trazz:

[superstaff]

Anyway yeah that was pretty humorous. Next somebody's gonna accuse ME of being a Democrat, while we're just throwing sh*t at the wall in spite of logic or evidence. :trazz:

You filthy, filthy libtard Dem!!!!!!!!1!!!!1

:lol:

In my case, leftists accuse me of being a Republican/Right Winger/Trumptard. The right accuse me of being a Democrat/Left Winger/Bidentard. The truth is I don't affiliate myself with either side, believe most politicians are corrupt, and neither side gives a flying eff for any of us plebs. I rather enjoy having my own opinions on various topics without forcing myself to change or warp my beliefs just to 'fit in' with the blue or the red (both sides have made it clear they don't want me anyhow). It's nice. More people should try it. :P

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Pretty sure not a single woman on planet Earth practices Islam willingly in the first place. More like they go along with it under threat of death. Either that or they just really hate women even though they accidentally are one. But that's just speculation on my part, I admit.

Even ignoring all my female Muslim family members and family friends numbering in the thousands, I guess all the millions of conversions of Western Women to Islam are all only happening because they think they're gonna be killed, or they hate women. That seems very plausible.

[Leo656]

Stepford Wife Syndrome.

If a woman "willingly" joins any group that is violently outspoken in their systemic hatred of women, on some level it's either coercion OR the person simply lacks any awareness whatsoever.

I'm an outspoken misogynist myself, but even I feel like those people are completely f*cking overboard.

[Andrew NDB]

You know the men who are like, "I say let the women be the leaders and make all the decisions!" (because they don't want to have to be take responsibility themselves, largely)? It's a little bit like the opposite of that, but in a religious guise.

[Sumac]

Even ignoring all my female Muslim family members and family friends numbering in the thousands, I guess all the millions of conversions of Western Women to Islam are all only happening because they think they're gonna be killed, or they hate women. That seems very plausible.
They are either brainwashed, scared or stupid.
No-one sane will willingly sacrifice their freedoms for the sake of appeasing fictional monster or abusers who are worshiping it.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Freedom will never bring you happiness. Sorry.

[Leo656]

Probably not as much "happiness" as being able to marry a 10-year old, or a harem of 10-year olds, no.

I mean, I know that's only in certain parts of the Islamic world, but still... YIKES. Just f*cking Yikes.

I bet the Scientology people sit around wondering how THEY didn't think of that sh*t for their little cu-... er, "club". "You mean we could've been f*cking kids AND oppressing women this whole time? Jesus, that L. Ron Hubbard asshole didn't think this whole thing through, did he? Our club sucks compared to that other club. We don't even have any songs! We need a do-over." :lol:

To be fair and transparent, my disdain for ALL religious institutions is about the same; I can respect how some people need faith and I acknowledge the possibility of a higher power even though we've never seen it, we can't disprove it any more than we can prove it. But as a rule, I despise all institutions and religion is responsible for more war, death and murder than everything else that's ever existed put together. "God" is the leading cause of death, globally, since the dawn of humankind. That's indisputable fact.

But I am especially skeptical of the religions that turn a blind eye at best, and openly advocate at worst, for stuff like f*cking kids and beating women to death. Just can't be on their side, call me crazy.

I mean the Catholics (of which I was baptized as, I just don't really claim it for what I hope should be obvious reasons) are into little kids, too, but at least they pretend to be shocked about it and don't actually put stuff in their bylaws making it "okay". And at least it mostly "just" seems to be the priests; "shockingly", odd stuff happens when you tell guys they're never allowed to f*ck women and then they spend all their time around little boys. "Oops".

Regardless, some stuff can't simply be handwaved away as "cultural differences".

And again, I'm aware "Not all Muslims", not in every part of the world, etc. Sure. A little plausible deniability is good for P.R. Still far too many and far too often for my comfort, though. Like, if you're part of a club and have to preface your involvement by saying, "I'm not one of those ones who's okay with f*cking kids or beating women to death, though"... you probably need a better class of friends. Just sayin'.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

How many Muslims have you met? I don't think its an exaggeration that if you met even a handful, the vast majority would not approve of pedophilia and beating women to death.

That is unless you think they're lying, which I don't think they would do if they are open about their opposition to other parts of Western Culture like Homosexuality.

I've lived many years in Pakistan, and nowhere in Islamic school are those things prescribed or turned a blind eye. Recently there was a case in my family friends of a man severely beating his wife, and the whole community shunned him for what he did, and handed him over to the police.

I don't know what news or media you consume, but I think it definetly influences your perception.

[Leo656]

How many Muslims have you met?

A ton, actually. One of the gyms I worked at for about 8 years was in one of the highest-concentrated Muslim areas in the state of NJ; at one point they built a huge mosque across the street. 9 out of every 10 gym members was Muslim out of thousands of clients we had there over the years. There were days where you literally saw zero white people who weren't staff. Also, the owner, who I worked with for a decade, was a practicing Muslim. Changed his name and everything (although his wife sometimes slipped and still called him "Tony" when she was annoyed at him).

There's moderates and extremists, just like any other religion. To directly answer your question, though, I've met more than most white American people ever will and formed some very close relationships with some of them. It was just unspoken on both sides that we not discuss matters of religion.

When it did come up, though, a lot of them were pretty blunt that part of why they came over here was to get away from the extremists in their respective country of origin. Lo and behold, women like to wear shorts when it's hot out without getting rocks thrown at them, and so on. Some of them even like to drive. Go figure. Most of them didn't even have any problem with gay people, at least publicly.

The worst thing I could honestly say about any of those individuals is that most of them were very, very cheap. Like, they'd be your best friend, but god forbid you ever needed to ask them for money, then you were the biggest asshole alive for expecting them to pay bills on time without it being a huge loud negotiation. But that's about the worst of it. And some of them were the opposite, not "thrifty" at all and very generous. But they were rather outspoken about being an exception.

But again, that's Over Here, and a lot of them were open about it being very, very different (read: "worse") Over There ("over there" being lots of places; NJ has one of the largest international airports in the country so we get people from everywhere, and the IT and tech support jobs pay well so a lot of people who came here from other countries settled in less than an hour from the airport, as a matter of convenience).

For every example you'd cite about how "it's not as bad as you hear about", there's an easily-researchable Lara Logan situation where she was violently molested in Egypt in broad daylight by literally hundreds of men until she was airlifted to safety, after which she spent four days in the hospital. That's what their "culture" apparently either taught, or allowed a whole lot of men to believe, was "acceptable" behavior to put upon a woman who was doing her job reporting on - go figure - the massive amounts of rape in the country. Apparently, one of the attackers yelled "She's a Jew!" (she isn't), and that's what made it "okay" for this massive swarm of men to violently assault her, whereas before they'd "just" been yelling crass sexual comments about what they were going to do to her.

Show me a case where in a Christian (or atheist) nation in the 21st century, a woman gets gang-raped in broad daylight for 25 minutes by 200 men. Show me one case of such a thing happening in a non-Muslim part of the world, and I'll have more empathy for your position.

These are things that happen, they're not isolated incidents that only occur once a decade or so, and they only tend to happen in the most strict and devout Muslim countries. This is systemic.

So while I already acknowledged upfront that I'm aware "not all Muslims are on board with that type of behavior", which I know for a fact because I know enough people who came here specifically to get away from that kind of sh*t, it's still far too "okay" in far too many places for ME.

It's either the religion, or it's racial, because that's where that type of thing is most prevalent throughout the world. It is overwhelmingly, predominantly in Muslim countries that stone women, cut off their clitorises, beat them to death for being raped, gang-rape them out in the open while others watch, and marry child brides. I'm not trying to attack anyone, I'm simply stating statistical and easily-proven facts, while pointing out that it almost HAS to be Religion or Race that's ultimately to blame. Because that sh*t doesn't happen over here as "part of the culture".

We can't pretend these things don't happen; they happen often. And WHERE do they happen, almost exclusively? ((crickets)) There ya go.

I'm not comfortable with saying it's racial, so kindly forgive me if I prefer to blame it on their religion and its impact on their cultural mores. The alternative is simply racist and I don't want to say it's all because they're not white. I firmly don't believe that is the reason why such things are so common Over There, while openly derided as abhorrent Over Here. Isolating the variables, I'm gonna have to say it's the religion, not the race.

Pakistan is supposedly one of the much better areas, though, from what I've been told personally. So your anecdote does not surprise me. People from Iran and Afghanistan, on the other hand, didn't have a ton of nice things to say about the "old country", and again, that's part of why they left.

It's true that every religious club has extremists, and that in turn they don't speak or act for everyone who belongs to the club. But Islamic extremists are... well, to say "a bit more 'extreme' than the average extremist" is being "extremely" polite.

If you choose to judge a group of people not by their best-behaved, but their worst-behaved members... well, it's pretty damning in their case, that's really all I can say. Their "worst" is pretty f*cking horrifying.

I did say "Not all of them are like that", though. Repeatedly. As I said, I've known more of them than most White Americans ever will. You may be shocked if you knew how many Muslims cherry-pick what they want to follow in their book, same as Christians, Jews, or any other religion. And just like some Catholics have a hyper-observant aunt or grandma who screeches about them going to Hell because they ate meat on a Friday, or how some Jews have one who bitches them out for not keeping kosher, plenty of more moderate Muslims hear to no end about how they face damnation for not following the Quran to the letter.

Some stuff is universal between all religions, such as the rift between Extremists and Moderates.

Some things, however, are more unique... such as the idea that it's okay to marry a child, keep multiple wives, or that women can't be allowed outside without a male "handler". And those ARE "standard operating procedure" to this day in much of the Islamic world, even if it's not your personal backyard.

Just calling it like I see it, mate. I am absolutely one of those "judge a group by the worst among them" types. I feel like that's just the most common-sense approach to all humanity in general. Because the Bad in any collective will always, always outweigh and outnumber the Good, and most "good people" are phonies at best and wolves in sheep's clothing at worst. So suspicion is a survival skill, that's just a fact of life.

And who are the WORST extremists in the entire world, who commit the most horrific and inhuman acts against their own kind as a matter of course?

It is what it is. I didn't make it that way, I just Observe and Report.

I can respect individuals who practice a belief system as a way of finding hope or making sense of a chaotic world.

I don't respect corrupt and dehumanizing institutions. Which includes ALL religious institutions. "God", if he is real, is most certainly not in any book, building, church or mosque, and would frankly be aghast at the atrocities committed in His name by the ones who profess to be the most devout.

And hopefully, if he is real, he cares more about punishing Those People for said atrocities than he cares about punishing women or gay people. I like to think that's the case, but far as I know I've never met the guy.

Good talk, buddy. I gotta go take a leak and work on my "novel". Hopefully, I've shed some light on my perspective. I know it has no bearing on your position; I just want it to be absolutely crystal clear where I'm coming from and Why. That's far more important to me than making people agree with me; that never happens regardless of topic. It's enough, for me, to simply be understood.

[Andrew NDB]

Wrong is wrong and evil is evil, but I think making the assumption that everyone in the world deep down thinks exactly like you do and has the same values and goals is making the same stupid assumptions the radical left do about everyone in the United States.

And on a purely hypothetical note, if there was a God, I think the presumption that he would have to be a benevolent one would be presuming a lot.

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[FredWolfLeonardo]

Show me a case where in a Christian (or atheist) nation in the 21st century, a woman gets gang-raped in broad daylight for 25 minutes by 200 men. Show me one case of such a thing happening in a non-Muslim part of the world, and I'll have more empathy for your position.


https://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/14/us/florida-panama-city-gang-rape-case/index.html

Four people charged for the assault itself, but hundreds of bystanders who looked on and did nothing in a Flordia Beach in broad daylight.

[Leo656]

Pretty bad, but not literally the same.

Sadly, we do live in a country where people would rather videotape a live murder than stop to try and help the victim. There's many reasons for that.

But I specifically asked for an example where any one woman was sexually assaulted by hundreds of men at once. Hundreds of onlookers doing nothing is bad, but not literally the same. You simply won't find a 1:1 example of the Lara Logan incident. And yes, I'm stating that Semantics Matter. I personally think being physically raped/molested by 200 or so men is exponentially worse than it being by "just" four men while others watch.

Like if I were a woman, I'd prefer not to be sexually assaulted at ALL. But if I had to choose whether it was between 200 guys or "just four", well... c'mon, that's just math.

Because as disgusting as it is, a woman getting gang-raped by "just" four guys at once while a bunch of people watch is what they call "a typical Friday or Saturday night" at every college frat house. That's not even a headline. Should it be? Sure. Is it deplorable? Sure.

Is it literally the same as the Lara Logan incident in Cairo? Not at all. That was a riotous assault beyond the pale. And stuff like that? You're not gonna find it Over Here. Just "over there".

It's sad that nobody intervened in the case you cited, but I blame our litigious culture over here for that. If you intervene in a crime in progress in America, you are now opening yourself up to legal liability because you can be sued for anything or nothing, here. I once tried to stop two girls from mauling my female friend in a Denny's parking lot, and was told by the cops when they arrived that if either of the girls had wanted to, they could have pressed charges against ME for assault, when all I did was try and stop one of them from bashing my friend's head into the concrete. Literally only got between them and yelled "STOP" before someone else pushed me out of the way so the assault could continue. Legally? The cop literally said to me, "You shouldn't have even gotten involved, because now if that girl wants to, she can ruin your life." I asked, "So what was I supposed to do, let her cave my friend's head in?" The answer? "Yeah, that's between the assailant and the defendant, you have no business being involved at all. You were wrong to try and step in. Now, you might get charged with something." I wasn't, but again, this is how our system works, and I admit that's bullsh*t.

So it's terrible, but the system we have here punishes Good Samaritans for getting involved when they see something horrible going on. Should that be changed? Definitely. As it is, people are too afraid of something coming back onto them to ever get involved in something that "isn't their business". But I admit that is not okay. Can it be fixed? Probably not.

But again, 4 and 200 are not even close to the same number, so it's still not 1:1.

I do like that it's the only part of the entire screed you saw fit to try and refute. Gotta swing harder, though, I'm a Details Guy.:tgrin:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Continued response to Leo656. I would like to respond to the rest, but I often don't have the time.

The Muslims you know, I doubt they have a problem with extremists because of Islam itself. Did any of them say to you, "Islam is the problem“?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of them believe that. If they were, they wouldn't be Muslim.

For the Muslims you know, I am thinking that they believe that the extremists have misrepresented Islam, not that they believe Islam itself is the problem. Likewise, they might not say that they have a problem with Homosexuality, but that doesn't mean they don't.

Like I meet plenty of Gay people at work, and most people I work with support LGBT rights. I have never bought the topic up among my colleagues, so some of them might be mistaken in assuming that I support LGBT rights just because I don't publicly speak out against it.

I'd say the best way to judge a club is not by the members behaviours themselves, but the club rules. Rape isn't one of those things thats allowed in Islam's "club rules", plain and simple.

In proper Islamic law, the case of Lara Logan would've warranted the death penalty for the rapists. Its a shame that the Egyptian authorities didn't enforce the law as they should have.

[Leo656]

Seeing how Lara Logan was only in the country in the first place to report on the absolutely staggering number of rapes and how nobody in law enforcement was doing much to stop or deter it... I'm not shocked such a thing would be "business as usual".

Supposedly, a number of the protesters did try and come to her defense, but were outnumbered and overpowered by the assailants. So again, "Not all Muslims". There were supposedly some Good Samaritans in the crowd who simply didn't have the numbers to make an appreciable difference. So, good on them for trying.

My point is, the very fact that such a thing could occur at all, and the fact that the Bad People would be in such a position to dominate any bystanding Good People... blame religion, blame "culture", blame whatever and whoever... Something Isn't Right.

And no, nobody who's practicing is going to come out and say "Islam is the problem", any more than a Catholic would say "Catholicism is the problem" when it comes to the pedo priests. The problem in either case is, even if "on paper" the scripture condemns such behavior, in practice, the people in a position of religious authority either turn a blind eye OR aid and abet the offenders, depending on the specifics of the situation.

Again, the child bride thing. Creepy. Not okay. I don't know what it says "officially" in the scripture about the morality or legality of marrying a 10-year old. I just know a quick Google search says that while it's "officially discouraged", it still happens with alarming regularity in most of the Muslim world. So no matter what they say out loud, it seems that most of the people in a position of authority are perfectly willing to just let that go. They certainly aren't filling up prisons to capacity with people willing to f*ck children; if they prosecute at all, it's case-by-case. That, to me, does not sound at all like it's "discouraged". More like "Please don't do this, but if you DO do it, keep it under wraps, we don't need the bad press."

I mean, if any religion is MORE okay with f*cking children than it is with people being gay... once again, that system is f*cking bananas, I'm sorry. And clearly, Islam on the whole thinks that it's "less bad" to f*ck a child than it is to f*ck another man. That's... well, it's indefensible. Please do not try and defend it, it's not defensible. Being gay is not "worse" than being a pedophile. Even if it's "okay" in some cultures to actually be a pedophile. I don't care WHAT it says on paper about that kinda sh*t. Any country in the world where you won't definitely go to jail for f*cking a kid, but you WILL go to jail (or be killed) for being gay... yeah, we can go ahead and get rid of that place entirely, as far as I'm concerned, because their values are irredeemable.

Again, "Not all Muslims". Fine. Way, way, WAY too many are okay with it, though. They shouldn't be f*cking kids "but keep it on the down-low" while telling people not to be gay "or we'll f*cking kill you". Sh*t's bananas. That's B-A-N-A-N-A-S, as Gwen Stefani will remind.

And that's my problem with ALL organized religions. The fact that all of them turn a blind eye to horrific sh*t and handwave it by calling it "belief" or "culture". Wrong is Wrong, dude. Being gay hurts nobody. F*cking children? Jesus, where do I START?

Like even if there was nothing else "wrong" or "questionable" with Islam, they lose me on the child marriage thing. Completely. Even if they SAY they're against it, those in power don't do enough to condemn and penalize it, just like the Catholics and the priests. Words mean nothing; put these people in jail and make it clear the sh*t stops now, on a global scale without restriction. Otherwise, it's Just Talk.

I'm just gonna say it point-blank, anyone of any race, religion or creed who'd rather see a gay person dead than a pedophile... I don't want to know that person at all. But apparently, that's how a LOT of Muslims think and believe. So again... it's just not a "belief system" I can condone or defend. There's other things that bother me, but that's HUGE. And it's not even an "extremist" thing, it's just "business as usual" in so many places.

That's twisted.

Again, you simply won't find any Christian, Jewish, or Atheistic-dominant countries where marrying a prepubescent child will most likely net you a slap on the wrist at worst. Only that One Specific Club pulls that sh*t on the regular and gets away with it. "Not every Muslim country"? Fine. But isn't even ONE way too many to allow that kinda sh*t? Jesus.

[superstaff]

It's sad that nobody intervened in the case you cited, but I blame our litigious culture over here for that. If you intervene in a crime in progress in America, you are now opening yourself up to legal liability because you can be sued for anything or nothing, here. I once tried to stop two girls from mauling my female friend in a Denny's parking lot, and was told by the cops when they arrived that if either of the girls had wanted to, they could have pressed charges against ME for assault, when all I did was try and stop one of them from bashing my friend's head into the concrete. Literally only got between them and yelled "STOP" before someone else pushed me out of the way so the assault could continue. Legally? The cop literally said to me, "You shouldn't have even gotten involved, because now if that girl wants to, she can ruin your life." I asked, "So what was I supposed to do, let her cave my friend's head in?" The answer? "Yeah, that's between the assailant and the defendant, you have no business being involved at all. You were wrong to try and step in. Now, you might get charged with something." I wasn't, but again, this is how our system works, and I admit that's bullsh*t.


I'll interrupt this thread to say this. Many cops don't know the laws. They really don't. They make assumptions, and talk out of their @$$ often. I'm sure what he told you was probably true, but still. Never ask or trust cops for legal advice. Ever.

I think I mentioned this here already, but in 2010 or so, I had a psycho roommate. The situation was pretty bad, and I was in my early 20s at the time so I was overwhelmed with anxiety on what to do. My boyfriend then (now husband) called the cops one night because Psycho Roomie was trying to bust into my room. The cop I spoke to, a female, suggested I go to the station, and talk to one of the officers and file an official report. So a day later, I went in, told my tale. The cop, a male this time, looked at me like I was a bird poop stain on his window, and was like, "What do you want us to do about this?" I already knew I was on the losing side on this. He told me to just break the lease, forfeit my deposit, and quickly move out during a time he wasn't home without notifying my landlord.

So I did what he told me to do, thinking it was my only option. Little did I know that there were provisions in New Jersey that protect people from abusive housemates. But furthermore than that, what I did was illegal. The landlord was understanding about me leaving, though I was lucky she didn't attempt to sue me because the lease did not allow me to leave without notice, and without paying out the rest of what I owed. I found all of this out years later, and I really felt...pissed off, to be honest. The cop really could've screwed me over.

I've heard other stories like this, and had other sour experiences with police that didn't know the actual laws in the state. Sucks because you assume the police will know the laws...and they often do not. Thus why you don't ask them for legal advice, ask a lawyer instead.

[Leo656]

Hah, yeah, they generally are pretty worthless altogether.

If I had a nickel for every time one of 'em said, "...So what are WE supposed to do about it?" I could buy a solid gold house with tit-shaped doorknobs.

Go 65 in a 55 though and they're on you like ants at a picnic. Otherwise, nothin'. You live in Jersey, you know I speak the truth.

[superstaff]

Hah, yeah, they generally are pretty worthless altogether.

If I had a nickel for every time one of 'em said, "...So what are WE supposed to do about it?" I could buy a solid gold house with tit-shaped doorknobs.

Go 65 in a 55 though and they're on you like ants at a picnic. Otherwise, nothin'. You live in Jersey, you know I speak the truth.

Yep, my situation from above happened in NJ. Also happened in FL, my original home state, when they told me I couldn't press charges against my parents for assault because 'they're your parents, they love you'.

[Sumac]

Freedom will never bring you happiness. Sorry.
An expected answer from a brainwashed zombie.

Let me get you the news - for some people, like me, freedom is more than enough to bring at least some modicum of happiness.

And serving outdated rusty and moldy psychopathic deities does not bring you happiness. It is a simulation of happiness, where you replace parents with a deity and serve them, trying to compensate for the emptiness in your heart, caused by your complexes and failures.

I've lived many years in Pakistan, and nowhere in Islamic school are those things prescribed or turned a blind eye. Recently there was a case in my family friends of a man severely beating his wife, and the whole community shunned him for what he did, and handed him over to the police.
An exception, rather than a rule.
The point is - religion breeds hostility and hatred.

I'd say the best way to judge a club is not by the members behaviours themselves, but the club rules. Rape isn't one of those things thats allowed in Islam's "club rules", plain and simple.
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By this logic, USSR was the best country in the world, because, they've said so and had just rules.

Everything should be judged by reality, not by arbitrary rules, most of which are bend and ignored anyway.
In this case, if your club has the best rules, but continually breeds horrible people, it means the problem is at the core, at the foundation of the club, not with its rules.

[superstaff]

An expected answer from a brainwashed zombie.

Let me get you the news - for some people, like me, freedom is more than enough to bring at least some modicum of happiness.

You are a lot more...blunt about it, Sumac, but yeeeeah. When I read him say that freedom will never bring someone happiness, I just kind of side eyed, and made a face over it. I can't understand anyone, religious or not, wanting to sacrifice their freedom. After 2020, I learned that many, many people don't seem to care about their freedoms or rights. What a sad state of affairs. What the hell.

I mean, I really, truly believe in the "live and let live" mantra. Worship God, worship Satan, worship a moldy potato. I don't care. Just let the rest of us do our thing as long as it doesn't impair someone else's life. Is that really so difficult to do? Apparently, yes. The sheer arrogance of people who think they can actually control others' lives, ugh.

[Leo656]

You are a lot more...blunt about it, Sumac, but yeeeeah.

He lives in Russia, I don't think they mince words over there.

The ones that can talk, anyway. Sumac confirmed to me personally that 80% of the population and 95% or more of the government are bears riding unicycles. I asked, he answered.

But yeah the "not-bears-on-unicycles" tend to cut right to the chase, I gather.

[superstaff]

The ones that can talk, anyway. Sumac confirmed to me personally that 80% of the population and 95% or more of the government are bears riding unicycles. I asked, he answered.

But yeah the "not-bears-on-unicycles" tend to cut right to the chase, I gather.

Ahhh. The more you know! :)

[Sumac]

You are a lot more...blunt about it, Sumac, but yeeeeah. When I read him say that freedom will never bring someone happiness, I just kind of side eyed, and made a face over it. I can't understand anyone, religious or not, wanting to sacrifice their freedom. After 2020, I learned that many, many people don't seem to care about their freedoms or rights. What a sad state of affairs. What the hell.
II tired of hiding my true thoughts.

In my own country, right now, if you say truth you can get 15 years in jail. So, I take this opportunity to be true to myself, where I can. And, because, of that, if fictional monster worshipper tells me that I must sacrifice everything who I am just to appease fictional psychopath or a tyrant or a Twitter rainbow-haired pedo of -xir gender - they can instantly **** off to whatever hole they had crawled from.

[Leo656]

Real recognize Real, playa.

Good luck over there.

[1987]

there was a protest outside the nra convention yesterday lead by commies such as robert francis “beto” o’rourke, since they want to politicize this event and take away constitutional rights of law abiding citizens.

these protesters are very angry

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1530253022881792000

so this must be how it starts, do you think gun/nra protests will continue and evolve into full blown riots and looting as we’ve seen escalate the past 2 years courtesy of blm/antifa/soros/nwo? are these really peaceful protesters or paid soros activists? hard to tell sometimes but how convenient for them to be doing this leading upto the midterm elections. beto wants your vote! (word on the street he only goes by the name “beto” to pander and appeal to hispanics, which is actually kinda racist itself, just like biden playing “despacito” on his phone in Florida.

lets be honest, these protests, racism riots etc just simply didn’t happen on a regular basis until obama took office.

[IndigoErth]

lets be honest, these protests, racism riots etc just simply didn’t happen on a regular basis until obama took office.
The kind of statement you get when some white people don't want to hear about the parts of history that might be a 'wee bit' racist, so they think only the issues of their present time are just the worst.

For one, the 1960s would like a word with you, but here's a nice big long list of political porn on this subject for you to enjoy: "Racial Violence in the United States Since 1526". (https://www.blackpast.org/special-features/racial-violence-united-states-1660/)

[Leo656]

It was suspiciously quiet for a very long time, though. Kinda hard to ignore that part.

Not saying I think everything is a conspiracy. But a lot of healing had been done over a period of many years, before certain race-hustlers started picking at the scab and getting everybody all riled up again.

[Coola Yagami]

That is true. The ones crying out racism the loudest also want to put races in boxes. Only this race can do that, only that race can do that, or if you're a certain race you're expected to think, act and vote a certain way. Or else it's racial appropriation or some other nonsense.

Isn't that segregation?

[1987]

The kind of statement you get when some white people don't want to hear about the parts of history that might be a 'wee bit' racist, so they think only the issues of their present time are just the worst.

For one, the 1960s would like a word with you, but here's a nice big long list of political porn on this subject for you to enjoy: "Racial Violence in the United States Since 1526". (https://www.blackpast.org/special-features/racial-violence-united-states-1660/)

lol im not white im hispanic/latino (not to be confused with “LATINX”, a racial homophobic slur aimed at gay and transgendered latinos/latinas, the term was probably invented by some liberal white woman with pink hair trying to change our language and culture)

this may surprise you, but not all conservatives or “Trumpsters” are cisgendered heterosexual white males.

anyway, thanks for the history lesson. looks like the race riots peaked in 1972, then was resurrected in 2009, just in time for obama’s presidency. race hustlers today are acting as if slavery still exists and white supremacy is America’s biggest problem today. the 1960’s you refer to is when there actually was still racism and segregation, but we all know that’s not the case anymore, even though liberals/democrats are working hard to divide the country by racism, isn’t that the whole point of blm? new world order wants to divide and conquer.

It was suspiciously quiet for a very long time, though. Kinda hard to ignore that part.

Not saying I think everything is a conspiracy. But a lot of healing had been done over a period of many years, before certain race-hustlers started picking at the scab and getting everybody all riled up again.

exactly.

[Leo656]

That is true. The ones crying out racism the loudest also want to put races in boxes. Only this race can do that, only that race can do that, or if you're a certain race you're expected to think, act and vote a certain way. Or else it's racial appropriation or some other nonsense.

Isn't that segregation?

Y'did good, Mexican. :trazz:

lol im not white im hispanic/latino

Ah, Jesus, how many a'yous they let in this place? :trazz:

Thank goodness we only got one'a them there Portuguese fellers, far as I know...


anyway, thanks for the history lesson. looks like the race riots peaked in 1972, then was resurrected in 2009, just in time for obama’s presidency.

There was the Rodney King thing but that wasn't really indicative of where society was as a whole back then. By that point stuff like that had been reduced to pretty much isolated incidents such as that one.

I mean obviously this (and every) country has a really bad history with racial sh*t but at some point you gotta at least TRY and move on. The 70s, 80s and 90s were all about that, and we did great with it for a while. Then it all got f*cked up again and now we're almost right back where we started.

You're never going to "eliminate racism" because human beings are tribal. What you CAN do, is try NOT to make every single issue a matter of race, and just teach people to be better to each other in general. Again, like kids were taught "back in my day".

Like, my Dad made some racist jokes, so on the surface some people might have called him "racist" and said he was terrible based on that. BUT, he also threw a guy out of our house one time for making racist comments about a friend of mine (who wasn't even there). So it's like... yeah, things aren't always as simple as "black and white", literally.

The best was when my buddy (who was black) came over to hang out on Martin Luther King Day, and my Dad greeted him with "Hey man, Happy James Earl Ray Day!" :lol: My friend literally laughed at that one for hours. Because he knew my Dad wasn't really a racist, he just liked getting a rise out of people. Come to think of it, he might have even been living with us at the time, since he did that off and on for a couple of years. Something that definitely wouldn't have happened if my Dad was, y'know... actually racist.

Things were better back then. People sure got along better.

[Coola Yagami]

lol im not white im hispanic/latino (not to be confused with “LATINX”, a racial homophobic slur aimed at gay and transgendered latinos/latinas, the term was probably invented by some liberal white woman with pink hair trying to change our language and culture)



I agree with you wholeheartedly. And it makes my blood boil when ignorant so-called Hispanic *******s proudly call themselves Latinx.

White man gives them a name and these Pinche Culeros proudly take it. Yes gringo, whatever you say gringo.

****ers need to be deported back to Mexico for a few years to remember their culture. And I can ****in say that.

****ing ignorant race traitors.

[Leo656]

****ers need to be deported back to Mexico for a few years to remember their culture. And I can ****in say that.


Tell 'em to bring back some'a them goofy hats, I could use a little shade. :tgrin:

[Coola Yagami]

Tell 'em to bring back some'a them goofy hats, I could use a little shade. :tgrin:

Oh, go drink some of your latte cappuccinos you gringo. :lol:

[Leo656]

Haha, that was good. :lol:

I'll be sure and have extra sour cream on my taco just for you, ese vato. :trazz:

[Coola Yagami]

Haha, that was good. :lol:

I'll be sure and have extra sour cream on my taco just for you, ese vato. :trazz:

What is it you gringos say nowadays? 'Check your priveledge'? :lol:

[Leo656]

I'm dyin'. :lol:

[IndigoErth]

then was resurrected in 2009, just in time for obama’s presidency
You mean during the time that people were provoking racism with the "birther" conspiracies and whatnot? Wait, who was that again who also picked it up and was purposely stirring that racism pot with all that, trying to very transparently rile up racist sentiment about Obama for his own would-be campaign? Ohhh... RIGHHHHT... that guy.

[Leo656]

The thing is, you don't get Trump without Obama.

Obama's victory symbolized a relaxation of standards on what it took to actually be President. All it took was being the more popular choice, in spite of qualifications. As a Senator, he'd consistently only voted "present" on every major issue that he was called to vote upon, basically not taking a side on anything. He had no record to speak of. He simply was not qualified for the job. He talked a good game, said all the right things, but it's NOT supposed to be a popularity contest.

The only noteworthy thing he did in Chicago, was lean on banks to give home loans and mortgages to low-income minorities who had no chance in ever being able to afford them. Those people then defaulted on their loans and the government, in turn... blamed the banks. The banks who only gave out those bad loans because they were told to. Multiply that nationwide, you have the 2008 mortgage crisis. Was it all his fault, solely? No, he was still just in Chicago when this was happening. But it was him and people like him who "forced" the banks to set the entire situation in motion, to a degree. That's indisputable fact. There were other factors, but that was a big one.

BUT, none of that mattered, because "If you don't want Obama to win, you're a racist." Even though the guy had no record, and what record he did have was far from sparkling.

McCain had the record and the qualifications. In a vacuum, he was the correct choice between the two. Now, sticking him with Palin did him no favors at all, and he ran a sh*t campaign anyway, nearly entirely reactionary. But he never had a chance because the whole thing was a popularity contest. A young-ish, hip black dude versus The Whitest Man Alive. "Hope and Change" vs. "The Establishment". The fix was in from the start, and I don't mean literally that it was fixed, I mean that they created a situation by manipulating the media so that if you didn't go for Obama, "You're A Racist". You were not even allowed to point out that he had no record to stand on. You were just supposed to root for the guy because of his skin color, because "It's only fair", and then hope he actually did a good job.

And then he got in, and... didn't do much. Again, he PROMISED, during his original campaign, to set abortion rights in stone. He had a full Congressional majority behind him so he easily had the power to make good on his promise, and... he did NOT do as he promised, and NOW, because he lied, we're in the sh*t situation we're in with regard to abortion rights. It is directly because of him. He had the ball, he had a clear path to the end zone, and he fumbled.

I'm not going to get into all the various scandals he was involved in that we were all told to ignore, because I don't want to make it a hit piece. Suffice to say, though, ALL he really accomplished in his eight years was "being the first Black President". Which to me shouldn't matter as much as being a really GOOD one, which he actually wasn't. Being "less bad than This Guy or That Guy" doesn't mean you did a good job. It just means you knew how to sit still and not make things worse.

But he didn't HAVE to be any good at the job, because NOW it's just a popularity contest, officially.

And because of THAT, when his turn was up, a bunch of people turned around and elected a fast-talking carny con artist because he had a lot of money and a popular game show on TV. Because now, it REALLY doesn't matter what your qualifications are. If you say all the right things, You Win. That's all it takes, now. No record? No qualifications? No Problem.

You don't get Trump without Obama. It's a straight line.

In hindsight, one thing that amuses me is that in 2008, the Democrats made McCain's age a talking point by implying he was too old to be trusted with the Presidency, implying he might go senile or drop dead during his term. And then fast-forward to recent times, and they give us... Joe Biden. :lol: This is what I'm always saying about these people and their hypocrisy and double-standards. "Whatever it takes to win", that's the stance they'll take. No consistency whatsoever.

[superstaff]

McCain had the record and the qualifications. In a vacuum, he was the correct choice between the two. Now, sticking him with Palin did him no favors at all, and he ran a sh*t campaign anyway, nearly entirely reactionary. But he never had a chance because the whole thing was a popularity contest. A young-ish, hip black dude versus The Whitest Man Alive. "Hope and Change" vs. "The Establishment". The fix was in from the start, and I don't mean literally that it was fixed, I mean that they created a situation by manipulating the media so that if you didn't go for Obama, "You're A Racist". You were not even allowed to point out that he had no record to stand on. You were just supposed to root for the guy because of his skin color, because "It's only fair", and then hope he actually did a good job.

And then he got in, and... didn't do much. Again, he PROMISED, during his original campaign, to set abortion rights in stone. He had a full Congressional majority behind him so he easily had the power to make good on his promise, and... he did NOT do as he promised, and NOW, because he lied, we're in the sh*t situation we're in with regard to abortion rights. It is directly because of him. He had the ball, he had a clear path to the end zone, and he fumbled.

Yes, this is all true, but then again, I think all politicians are criminals and liars in one way or another.

Anyone who thinks either side cares about the citizenry are dummies. :lol: But it's very clear the world is full of dummies. And again, and again, people will look to their 'kings' in red and blue to save them while these 'kings' sit in their mansions, eating their fancy dinners, while laughing with their rich friends (ironically other politicians and other elites) about what suckers their supporters are.

Politics is a performance art, after all. One that they get to profit off of, rewarded by wealth and power/control over our lives. Kings in red and blue.

[Coola Yagami]

In hindsight, one thing that amuses me is that in 2008, the Democrats made McCain's age a talking point by implying he was too old to be trusted with the Presidency, implying he might go senile or drop dead during his term. And then fast-forward to recent times, and they give us... Joe Biden. :lol: This is what I'm always saying about these people and their hypocrisy and double-standards. "Whatever it takes to win", that's the stance they'll take. No consistency whatsoever.

****!!! You're right! I remember that. Their main thing was 'oh noes John McCain is too old, he might drop dead mid-term and now we're stuck with Nailin Pailin'. Like that was legit one of their strongest arguments, that if you vote for McCain you're pretty much voting for Pailin which was seen as too unqualified to run the country.

And now we're exactly in the situation they described, where Biden can drop dead and we'd be stuck with On-Her-Knees Harris.

[Leo656]

I mean, they weren't wrong about Palin, she's a f*cking idiot. Pretty sexy, but nothing upstairs. I wouldn't trust her as President of a book club. So I mean yeah, fair point.

But to use the age thing as a weapon against McCain in 2008, and then run Biden in 2020... let's look at objective facts.

In 2008, John McCain was 71 years old.

In 2020, Joe Biden was 77 years old.

Whaaaaaaat the actual f*ck, man. :lol:

Leaving out Palin, Harris, or any other external factors at all... what a bunch of f*cking hypocrites.

[1987]

Ah, Jesus, how many a'yous they let in this place? :trazz:

Thank goodness we only got one'a them there Portuguese fellers, far as I know...



welp, now with the biden admin’s open border policy, we can expect a whole lot more of all kinds! that’s the grift, that’s how democrats get votes, cause they know us actual legal citizens won’t vote for communism. virtue signaling for votes, sad!

I agree with you wholeheartedly. And it makes my blood boil when ignorant so-called Hispanic *******s proudly call themselves Latinx.

White man gives them a name and these Pinche Culeros proudly take it. Yes gringo, whatever you say gringo.

****ers need to be deported back to Mexico for a few years to remember their culture. And I can ****in say that.

****ing ignorant race traitors.

i know right!? i havent met any actual “LATINX” people in person, just hear about their virtue signaling on tv and on twitter. but now we know there’s a whole lotta ai chicom bots on twitter who build a narrative, manipulating users thoughts and just goin with the flow, even the ny yankees just recently tweeted something about “LATINX”, just so they can virtue signal and their fans see how woke they are. most latin people i talk to hate the idea of “LATINX”. i can only imagine what they are teaching kids about it in schools these days. sad!

You mean during the time that people were provoking racism with the "birther" conspiracies and whatnot? Wait, who was that again who also picked it up and was purposely stirring that racism pot with all that, trying to very transparently rile up racist sentiment about Obama for his own would-be campaign? Ohhh... RIGHHHHT... that guy.

i mean he’s not wrong right? i dont see how that is interpreted as racist, it is a requirement for a U.S. president to be born in U.S., right? we all know obama’s a big phony nwo puppet. just crazy how easy it was for him once installed, to slowly destroy a once great nation in 8 years inciting so much hate and division. sad!

[Coola Yagami]

The only idiot I seen (so far) openly and proudly call himself LatinX is the one dude who played Luigi in the Mario movie.

[Leo656]

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:tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

[Coola Yagami]

ltDePH9fptc
:tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

lmao was that editted, or like... how or why did she agree to that? lmao

[Leo656]

Obviously edited. If you click around you can find the real one, but obviously it's not as funny as this one.

[Coola Yagami]

Obviously edited. If you click around you can find the real one, but obviously it's not as funny as this one.

It was so good though, LMAO Oh god.

Also, I'm not saying I agree/disagree or believe/don't believe, but if Obama really was born in Kenya, like.... were there no other black charismatic and cool lookin' guys available for the Democratic to push? They had to choose the one that everyone could easily point the finger to and say 'hey wait a minute, dude's not even an American'.

[Leo656]

Politicians aren't exactly known for having their finger on the pulse of what's going on. The Democrats' main concern in that moment was in finding a black guy in a tailored suit, and they started to panic when someone told them Sammy Davis Jr. was dead so they took what they could get. :lol:

F*ck y'all, if Carlin made that joke you'd be pissin' down your leg.

[Coola Yagami]

It's just so weird. As far as I could remember I always taught that Democrats-good and Republicans-bad. That Democrats cared for the poor while Republicans only cared for the rich. I think the only Republican character I knew was Alex Keaton from Family Ties and his ideas were always challenged or portrayed as contrarian. He also seemed to the only one bringing up political discussion on the show.

[superstaff]

It's just so weird. As far as I could remember I always taught that Democrats-good and Republicans-bad. That Democrats cared for the poor while Republicans only cared for the rich. I think the only Republican character I knew was Alex Keaton from Family Ties and his ideas were always challenged or portrayed as contrarian. He also seemed to the only one bringing up political discussion on the show.

The entire premise of Family Ties was that they were (former) hippies with liberal values trying to raise three kids of whom were more right leaning, with Alex being the ambitious 'politician' of the three. I don't think Mallory or Jennifer really displayed much political opinion, but that's okay because they still clashed with their parents in other ways. I dunno, I think Alex was pretty sympathetic and likable, for the most part.

As far as 'Democrats cared for the poor while Republicans only cared for the rich'? Lol, it's more like Democrats and Republicans only ever care for the rich, and the politicians on both sides are master manipulators at conning their supporters, and pitting them against each other while they laugh at the stupidity of the 'useless eaters' while they sip their wines from their ivory towers.

[Leo656]

Yep. On some level, everything is just an act with these people.

One of the things that exposed it once and for all for me, was two specific revelations. Number One, finding out that all of these politicians were friends when the cameras were off. I can't remember who specifically or how long ago it was, but it blew my mind a little bit to find out that so many of these people will go on TV, give these passionate speeches about how their political rivals are the devil incarnate, going to ruin your family, ruin your state, ruin your country, whip voters into a frenzy and get them repeating the same bullet points on their social media and at the family dinner table... but when the red light is off, they all go hang out at the same million-dollar dinners, laughing like old chums. It's all a work. They don't actually hate each other, it's like pro wrestling. It is EXACTLY like pro wrestling.

And secondly, as an extension of the first thing, was finding out that a lot of the paid speech writers have no political affiliation of any kind, and write speeches for both Republicans AND Democrats at the same time. Again, now we're into pro wrestling/Reality TV territory. The words coming out of their mouths are not only all scripted, but coming LITERALLY from the same people. It's all an act, a pose, a performance. The Democrats play "Good Guy Characters", the Republicans play "Bad Guy Characters", and at the end of the day, it's all just for TV.

Which means that it is stupid - and tragic - that common people take it all SO seriously that they'll break up their families and friendships over whatever their talking head of choice on TV said they should think/feel.
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Here's a real eye-opener from a guy who knows the game. If you have 15 minutes or so, take the time to watch this video in its entirety as former WCW President and noted TV producer Eric Bischoff gives a TED Talk on how the news media and politicians borrow heavily from professional wrestling on using scripted entertainment to manipulate peoples' emotions and make you think/feel EXACTLY what they want you to think and feel... even though none of it is Actually Real.

Check it out. It's worth the 15 or so minutes and you'll never watch Fox News or MSNBC the same way again.

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[superstaff]

Check it out. It's worth the 15 or so minutes and you'll never watch Fox News or MSNBC the same way again.


I'll watch the video, but aside from it being on in restaurants at random, I have never watched Fox News or CNN or any of those news channels. Like, ever in my life. I try to stay informed, just not through one source or one 'side'.

Politics are a lot like a performance art, thus why I say that a lot on here. It is. I mean, Donald Trump had dinners with the Clintons before and after his presidency. Come on. None of these people give a crap about helping us out. They care about the money and labor the citizens can give them. That's it. Beyond that, we are all just a bunch of stupid sheep to them.

Like you said, people are ruining their relationships with loved ones over politicians who would probably shove them into an incoming train for no reason other than their own sick amusement. I know some people reading this are thinking, "Eff you, Superstaff, that's not true! My guys would never do that! They've got my back! They're going to fix the country!" Sure, go ahead. Come back to this thread in about five years, and tell me the politicians on your side have actually done something to improve your life in some way. I'll wait.

[Leo656]

Isn't it amazing how fast everyone just plain forgot that Trump was good pals with the Clintons in "real life"? :lol: Like we're just supposed to ignore it all. Just like we were supposed to forget that Bill was a violent rapist, or that his cousin was a high-ranking member of the KKK. Or how Obama spent his whole life going to a church that openly and loudly demonized white people. Like I'm SURE the fact that Slick Willy used to break bread with KKK members in his own family is incidental, he can't possibly have any racist feelings himself (despite, y'know... "Arkansas"). Likewise, Obama CAN'T possibly hate white people, he's half of one! He'd NEVER do anything to try and "get even" with them societally after sitting in a church for 20 years listening to a preacher - who was also a Close Personal Friend - give fiery sermons about how Whitey Is The Devil. No, these things don't affect a person's philosophy or politics at all, surely.

NONE of these people are who they say they are, which is why I don't - and will never - vote. Why? It's all fake. "You don't vote for people, you vote for ideals, what they profess to stand for!" That's what I've been told (mostly by liberals; conservatives don't care if you vote but liberals HATE you if you don't vote). But what good does THAT do if the people in power don't uphold those abstract "ideals"?

You hear it all the time in the rhetoric. "If you vote for Republicans, you're voting to take away a woman's right to an abortion!" OKAY, except Obama had the issue wide-open and did NOTHING with it, so who's fault was that? He lied. "If you vote for Republicans, you're okay with school shootings!" No, nobody is okay with school shootings, stop it. Nobody on either side of the aisle ever has or ever will do anything MEANINGFUL to put a dent in that problem. If they haven't by now, they simply won't. They'll just pass more "Laws" that people will go ahead and ignore, same as always.

So... what good does "voting for an ideal" even DO, exactly? What does it MEAN? You wear a Blue "I Voted" sticker, and you think that makes you a good person? "This is me Taking A Stand, letting you know I believe in vaccines and mask mandates and All The Other Good Things"? Spare me.

Voting is not "activism". It's exposing that you're a willing puppet of the 1%. And that's ALL it is. It does NOTHING. Marlboro and Big Pharma run this country. The figureheads they shuffle around every few years like paperclips? Theater. Simple theater.

[superstaff]

(mostly by liberals; conservatives don't care if you vote but liberals HATE you if you don't vote)


Eh.

In 2020, I hung around in a lot of Right/Conservative places online. When I said that I refused to vote, they all lynched me for it. They called me a c*nt, a traitor, that I wanted to suck Biden off, yadda yadda. They were pretty ferocious about it. The mods in those places, who were also basically Trump supporters/Republicans, let it slide. In one place I went to, they banned me after I reported the harassment, and the ringleader mod (who hated me in general for not 100% towing the line) sent me a PM saying "We don't allow SJW sk*nks like you infiltrate our group. Go kill yourself already." I felt pretty numb, and unsurprised, but also upset that it went down that way.

For the record, yes, I've had the left get mad at me for refusing to vote too. Neither side seems immune to this stuff. They're all hysterical banshees at this point.

[Leo656]

In my experience, The Internet is not Real Life.

The internet seems to turn everyone into an extremist, and not just about politics but about everything. The way people talk about stuff like movies or video games online? They don't talk like that in Real Life, at least not actual well-adjusted adults.

I have a working theory that most people who spend all of their time online are somewhere on the spectrum, because it seems to be their only window into or outlet to deal with the world at large. I have never, ever in all my years run into anyone in Real Life who talks or acts like people on the internet do, and I spent a decade around hundreds of people a day, interacting with them personally/intimately and overhearing their conversations. Real People don't act like Internet People.

Therefore I never put much stock into what Internet People say, on any topic. Kinda like this place. People here give me sh*t; I laugh. They don't matter. In Real Life people love me, they line up to buy my T-shirts and get my autograph, why do I care what Some Rando who has Mommy making their Hot Pocket say to me? I'd be ashamed of myself if I cared.

Likewise, if you or anyone actually DOES know people in Real Life who behave the way Internet People behave... that requires a change of environment and social circle at the earliest possible opportunity. Easier said than done, I know but... it's vital.

I can say I've definitely gotten The Speech from a lot of Liberals in Real Life. "If you don't vote, you're letting The Bad Guys win!" At which point I tell them it's cute they think there are Good Guys as well as Bad Guys. But I, personally, have never had that conversation from anyone but REALLY Church-y conservatives, and they don't matter anyway, they never miss a chance to tell someone why they're a bad person so politics is just One More Thing. Moderate conservatives? They don't really care if you personally vote. They're generally confident that things will swing back around en masse once people see how wacky and full of sh*t the liberals are. Therefore they don't feel any need to "recruit" anyone on an individual level. "People will wake up, and they'll be sorry" is about as strong as it gets in Real Life, from MOST Conservatives.

Basically, if I'm getting shouted or preached at by a Conservative, they're only of the type who'd just be preaching at me about something else anyway. The rest don't generally care. They care about politics insofar as protecting their own 401K, they don't care what You or I do. Generally.

Only Liberals and Christian Conservatives treat the whole thing like an Actual War.

[superstaff]

In my experience, The Internet is not Real Life.


Well, I did lose my one IRL friend due to politics recently, remember? He wasn't really a Crazy Conservative Christian either. Probably more a nerdy 'f*ck SJWs' type. But, uh, yeah.

I feel like a lot of this stuff is spilling right into the 'real world', especially post-2020/Covid. Things are getting bad, if you ask me. :(

[Leo656]

Some people are letting the internet and people on TV influence their Real World behavior, yes, and it's unfortunate.

As harsh as it is - and I've said this to Coola about losing "real life friends" over this kind of thing as well - if they'd cut ties over something like that, they actually weren't your friend in the first place and any relationship you ever had was entirely one-sided. You might have been "all-in" but they obviously weren't.

I'm all too familiar with how THAT goes, myself. As hard as it can be, you just have to shrug those people off. On some level, I believe the universe brings people in and out of your life for a reason. If they're not in it anymore, they're simply not meant to be and you're better off without them.

But that goes both ways. Sometimes you run into someone and have no idea you'll connect, but you do. I think that's for a reason as well.

I mean, me and Coola are buddies outside this forum, as are me and Zar, and I know FOR A FACT that I have told either of them to suck a bag of barbecued baby dicks at some point or other over something we disagreed upon, way back. :lol: Andrew, also. Yet somehow we became close friends even after that. Why or how, who can say? It wasn't altogether expected but it was a welcome development regardless in either case. Perhaps they were meant to be there. In any case I'm glad they didn't let me treating them like sh*t at some point or other keep them from reaching out to me after that.

[1987]

The only idiot I seen (so far) openly and proudly call himself LatinX is the one dude who played Luigi in the Mario movie.

whaa? John Leguizamo identifies as Latinx? wow, really liked him as “benny blanco from the bronx”, had no idea he was queer, unless it’s just satire. guess maybe the backwards hat in Mario movie was a hint.

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:tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

hilarious and true. although some people refer to michelle obama as michael, or “big mike”

[Coola Yagami]

As harsh as it is - and I've said this to Coola about losing "real life friends" over this kind of thing as well - if they'd cut ties over something like that, they actually weren't your friend in the first place and any relationship you ever had was entirely one-sided. You might have been "all-in" but they obviously weren't.



Yeah, though I'm mostly over it, it still stings how easily disposable I felt. Like dude, they waited an extra week to watch End Game cause I was out of town watching it with my bro, because they just HAD to see it with me. They once invited me to one of those classic Star Wars films at the time during the pandemic when theaters were showing old movies, but they texted me when I was down for a nap. I woke up to all these texts and missed calls and it turns out they didn't even go. I was like 'i mean... You coulda gone without me ya know' but they were like 'its not the same'.

But now over a stupid argument she just ended it and marked it final. Like even the third party thought 'eh give her a few days to calm down and she'll come back'. Nope.

Like you know if this was a TV show or whatever, we would have talked it out and let cooler heads prevail. Maybe hang out less or whatever cause I got the big bad bugs, somehow, magically, eternally, just cause I didn't get the jabs, but not end the entire friendship forever. I still feel even she does try to come back I shouldn't take the apology cause if she cut it off so easily over the jabs, she might do it again over the boosters, or BLM, or abortion rights, or siding with the wrong person on the Depp/Heard nonsense, or any other leftist hot button issue.

But life isn't a tv show. Sometimes people are just stupid and there is no resolution

And to my knowledge, she and my other bud stopped hanging out since then too. Like I was the glue that held 'the three amigos' together. But I'm apparently the Grim Reaper of CoVid, bringing death to anyone that dates stand within 2 feet of me.

[Leo656]

You know what they say: It's "a woman's prerogative" to be a f*cking c*nt.

Which honestly sounds like the main issue, to me, in that whole situation.

Same thing with spitting up families and disinviting your Dad or Uncle or Aunt to Thanksgiving or Christmas. "I don't want people Like That in my life, especially not at holidays." Over a difference of opinion.

There's valid reasons to disinvite a family member to a holiday function. Like, when you were a kid, did they hit you, or molest you? Those are reasons. Dropping N-bombs or homophobic slurs at the dinner table in front of the kids last year? Okay, that's fair, although maybe you could still resolve that with a conversation and a request to "please don't do that".

But "My Dad voted for Trump, so he's not invited to Thanksgiving and I'm not gonna go see him on Christmas", that's... well, in and of itself, that's f*cking pathetic. If it's "just politics", people are supposed to be able to put those things aside, especially friends/family.

But Fox and MSNBC has everybody all worked up to the point where "If you voted Republican, you may as well have shot those kids in Texas yourself!" and it really, REALLY cannot be like that.

[mrmaczaps]

I've only ever lost democrat friends over politics & opinions but honestly, no big loss.... I always invite them to things I do or my comic cons or Mall shows... if they come, cool. If not, their loss. And I'm always armed. I stood next to someone who was complaining about "right wingers" murdering people simply because they/we own firearms. And how they would never go anywhere guns were allowed. Lol. I've never laughed so much in my life. I think their politics make them a$$holes but they're entitled to be that if they want.... I still dig their artwork. Lol.Except the 3 guys who said they would physically attack someone at a con if they saw them carrying, even if its legal. Those types can fvck off.

[superstaff]

You know what they say: It's "a woman's prerogative" to be a f*cking c*nt.


Right... Men are never unreasonable, irrational, discriminatory, outright jerks, etc. Nope. Never. It's all us womens' fault. :ohwell:

I get you're probably sort of joking, maybe, but honestly, I get tired of being judged and labeled solely for being a woman. I've had many men make assumptions about my ideals and morals as a 'crazy leftist' solely because I am a woman (I think a lot of conservatives see someone like me as a potential enemy or infiltrator, which is ridiculous, but alas). I also love it when dudes think the only reason I'm into comics/anime/whatever is because of my husband.

"Wow, Superstaff's Husband, it must've been tough to educate her on comics! :lol::lol::lol:"

............Okie dokie. Funny thing is, I was the one who 'educated' him on all that stuff since he had zero interest or knowledge of comics outside maybe an episode or two of BTAS that he saw as a kid. Same with my ex-boyfriend from high school. But, nah, they never believe that. A girl would never willingly touch a comic, much less invest real interest in them unless she wanted some big D. :o (Funny given that I had to go through actual hell to try to buy and collect comics as a kid/teen since I wasn't allowed to read them.)

Being a woman is what's lost me friendships too. I've had many guys snap at me that "All you women are a bunch of c*nts", and lump all their frustrations with women on me. I get that women can be monsters. I should know, I've been abused mainly by my mother, and bullied by many girls/women throughout my life. But I get annoyed that all women are generalized as being 'the same'.

I found it funny when my IRL friend accused me of having it easy because I supposedly had a p*ssy pass. Dude, no. My life has been hell since basically the beginning of it. Being a woman probably made it a lot harder because I never fit into any groups (girls were particularly cruel to me for being nerdy when I was in middle and high school back in the 2000s, and boys thought I was a 'fake nerd' and 'fugly'), people think I'm a weirdo because I'm 'not like the other women', I'm not very attractive, I've always sucked at things like cooking and cleaning, nobody ever cared or believed me when I did get abused/harassed, etc. I think people believe that being a woman automatically means you get everything you want, but that's not how it works, not for women like me who aren't sexy, hot, rich, charming, yeah.

Oh, man, I remember working at CVS when I was about eighteen years old, and this businessman walked in. A tall, blonde, white man with a nice, expensive looking suit, and a fancy briefcase. I was new, so I didn't know my way around the cash register area well, particularly the cigarettes. He threw his weight around immediately, and barked at me that he wanted Marlboro Menthol. I had no idea what that was, so it took me a while to look for it. He told me in a mocking tone, "Andale, andale!" Like, he was making fun of me being hispanic. The people in line laughed with him, and mind you, most of them were hispanic like me. I was in tears when I rang him up, and he snidely said that I should go back to whatever sh*thole I came from. I didn't bother to hand him his pack of cigs or anything, I just tried to keep it together, and failed. When the next customer came up, a lady (obviously hispanic, mind you), she wore this smug look like she agreed with everything he said. I was just filth to these people, I realized. I've never treated anyone this way, but they felt it was perfectly fine to take a dump on me. Being a woman didn't somehow save me from any of that, nor did being hispanic or anything. It's kind of funny because the 'villain' in my story was the same type of man the SJW sect describe all white men as being like, yet I somehow never generalized all white men as being that way (then again, people of all creeds have treated me like dirt, so).

Funny thing is, I can see how men have it hard too, how society generalizes and dismisses men's hardships. Life isn't fair, and people go through horrible circumstances. However, most don't extend that same courtesy to me, man. In fact, they tell me to shut up because I'm a woman, and "have it easy".

[FredWolfLeonardo]

That's horrible, you didn't deserve to get treated that way superstaff.

[Coola Yagami]

Right... Men are never unreasonable, irrational, discriminatory, outright jerks, etc. Nope. Never. It's all us womens' fault.

See? This one gets it. :lol::lol::lol:

Just kidding Superstaff. Remember these kinds of statements fall under the 'not all' category.

You know you're cool with us.

Speaking of women and comics, my ex and I had our areas, I knew more about the Turtles and modern Batman (at the item), she knew more about Teen Titans and stuff. Whenever we left the comic shop she'd usually be carrying twice the books I would.

Edit- reading your full post, that really sucks. Surprised fellow Hispanics were also siding with him. Like one of em shoulda been like 'no le pongas caso as ese pinche gringo' or something. WTF.

[superstaff]

See? This one gets it. :lol::lol::lol:

Just kidding Superstaff. Remember these kinds of statements fall under the 'not all' category.

You know you're cool with us.

Speaking of women and comics, my ex and I had our areas, I knew more about the Turtles and modern Batman (at the item), she knew more about Teen Titans and stuff. Whenever we left the comic shop she'd usually be carrying twice the books I would.

Edit- reading your full post, that really sucks. Surprised fellow Hispanics were also siding with him. Like one of em shoulda been like 'no le pongas caso as ese pinche gringo' or something. WTF.

Thanks, my dude.

And nah, nobody said anything. They chuckled and laughed for whatever reason. I guess they found it amusing or whatever. Nobody seemed sympathetic. My co-worker (hispanic as well) coldly told me to wash my face because I was crying. What did happen, oddly, was that when I went to eat lunch at the Quizno's next door, I was on the phone with my then boyfriend (now husband), telling him what happened when some lady interrupted, and told me that what happened to me sucked, and to call her if I wanted another job, then gave me her card. I thought it was a nice gesture at first, though the number I called was for something that seemed to be a telemarketing scam so I noped out of it.

I've worked in other retail jobs, and most people don't really...do anything about a-hole customers. When I worked at Target, some lady got all impatient with how slow I was, so she screamed at me, and pushed a plastic bin right into me all aggressively. I flicked the light on for the managers to come assist me, except they never did. The lady behind her in line told me "man, this job is rough!" in a joking way, but it didn't really do much to comfort me. Target was...worse than CVS in terms of getting really catty, mean ladies like that on a daily basis. CVS just had that one big incident, though it was probably worse than anything that happened at Target.

And thanks, FredWolfLeonardo.

[Leo656]

Well clearly it was a general statement. You and Indigo are two of my best friends here, after all.

So I know you're still a bit new-ish as far as actively reading and posting often, so some of the texture of some of my comments might get lost in-between, so as I sometimes do, I'll take this moment to remind everyone a couple of things about the way I talk. Just to clear the air.

1. As a rule, I make broad generalizations (which, as it happens, will often include Generalizations about Broads :trazz:). This includes making sweeping statements in judgment of large groups of people, even if there are individuals those statements obviously don't apply to.

I'm a lot like Carlin, in that while I treasure individuals as I meet them, I have nothing but disdain for the larger group(s) they belong to. But I'm not going to stop and make a list of every single individual a general statement doesn't apply to; I'd never get anything done. Instead, I trust those individuals to know and understand that they're exempt.

2. I expect that most people will have an anecdote that will contradict whatever general statement I've made. That's perfectly fine, but I'm only ever going to speak from My Perspective. I can't speak from Theirs and won't even try, outside of occasionally playing Devil's Advocate.

3. Unfortunately for the people such statements may offend, MOST of the dirt-worst people I've ever known were women. So I have huge issues with them collectively and don't even pretend otherwise. Individually? Lots of gems. Collectively? Mostly-awful. Like any human beings, really. But I'm not gonna lie or speak against my own experience, either.

In this case - Coola's "friend" giving them the heave over a difference of opinion - well, unfortunately, the nuttiest Libtardicons I've ever encountered were almost all women. The "Don't come to Christmas" types, the "We aren't friends anymore, don't talk to me again" types... in MY experience, they've all been women. I have a lot of male Democrat friends, and we get along swell and can even discuss/debate politics; any male Democrat that doesn't have a manbun just might be a rational person in spite of their bad opinions.

But a lot of the Liberal Democrat Females are just plain twats. Which is why I'm not shocked Coola's "friend" did that too him, and thus, why I made that flip remark.

I'm aware some people have the opposite experience and they're free to speak to that. I won't invalidate it. All anyone can do in life is call it as they see it from where they're standing. That's why communication is so important to the human condition; it creates Perspective.

So again, I sort of need people to understand that if I'm clearly not speaking to/about them, that then they're not included in the Sh*tty Thing I Said. And that yes, sometimes those things are purposely provocative because it's more fun that way.

So yeah, I clearly wasn't calling you a c*nt. But I have, and undoubtedly will again, at some point, say that Women Are C*nts in general. Hopefully going forward you'll already know I don't count you in that list. You're a good egg. I tell you that all the time. :trazz:

[superstaff]

Sorry if I got overly sensitive. I guess I get upset because the whole "women suck" thing is a point of contention with me and a lot of other men (it's 99% men who get like that, me and women have other types of issues...). For me, my mantra is that "most people are c*nts" at this point. I feel like both sexes, like both political sides, are capable of some awful crap, and I just don't think one is inherently better than the other. I feel that way about other races as well.

It sucks that Coola's friend did that to him. For me, I've had this done to me by men and women, Dems and Reps alike as well. The whole "well, you aren't (insert their 'side') so f*ck you". I'll say, I began losing the Dem friends in the beginning then it's begun to happen with the Reps as well, because they've begun to not trust me/are becoming more radacalized.

All I want to do is talk about comics, games, anime, and movies. They just want to make everything about politics. I'll call out bad writing in stuff that's tied in with politics (aka virtue signaling), because it's, well, bad writing and sucks the fun and entertainment out of what I love but...like, I don't really care about how Batman is an extremist right wing allegory or whatever. I don't want to sit in a theater, and have someone turn to me and be like, "SEE!? SEE? THIS IS SO WOKE! OMG, I HATE THIS! YOU BETTER HATE IT TOO." Let me...try to watch it, please, and make up my own mind? Whether I agree or not, I don't need the politics shoved in my face, whether by the media I am watching or by people I am friends with.

[Leo656]

That's all fair.

I will say, though, in all seriousness, that I always assumed "being a c*nt" is honestly what the expression about "a woman's prerogative" was in relation to. I think it originally had something to do with changing their mind a lot, but then through "popular usage" it sort of became a thing people said whenever a woman said or did anything sh*tty. They'd make reference to that being "a woman's prerogative".

So I actually didn't think that little barb was all that provocative when I actually said it. I thought it was just like reciting the second verse of the Star-Spangled Banner; something that nobody ever recites but is nonetheless just hanging out Over There, unspoken. :lol:

"It's a woman's prerogative." "WHAT is, exactly?" ".....Never mind." "...S'what I THOUGHT. Asshole." :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

I don't know, the more time goes on the more I feel like Leo656 about women. At least older women in places of authority, more than not. So much is blatantly, transparently coming from purely emotional places or "I need revenge for my high school experience" and not from anywhere else (like, you know, logical or fact-based places) and I think that's really no way to go at all. Not in politics, not in the arts/entertainment (on a corporate level, making the big decisions), and not anywhere beyond maybe psychology. If that.

Obviously there's exceptions.

[Jester]

I'm not sure what to think that this thread has me getting Cordell & Cordell (Divorce Lawyers for Men) banner ads?

[Andrew NDB]

I'm getting "Desserts for Dad" right now (the "Save Roe!" stuff finally stopped). Great, let me order a cake for my dead father.

[Leo656]

Right now mine are alternating between Professional Veterinary Care and Memorial Day Sales. :lol:

[superstaff]

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[Jester]

Ad blocker, suckahs
I have ad block on my phone and personal PC. I guess that's what I get for viewing the forum from work.

[1987]

NRA protestors channel their spirit animals

https://mobile.twitter.com/stevenvoiceover/status/1530298580937875459

[1987]

https://i.imgur.com/WHQNQIc.jpg?2