View Full Version : 'Captain America 4' in the Works With 'Falcon and the Winter Soldier' Showrunner
Autbot_Benz
04-23-2021, 03:55 PM
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Spellman will pen the script with Dalan Musson, a staff writer on the Disney+ Marvel series.
Malcolm Spellman is picking up Captain America's shield once again.
The head writer and show creator behind Disney+ and Marvel's The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is developing a fourth installment of the Captain America film franchise for Marvel Studios. Spellman will co-write the script with Dalan Musson, a staff writer on Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
No castings for the project are officially known but Friday’s episode offers plenty of roads for the feature to take. Up until this point, Chris Evans has played Captain America via the Steve Rogers character, appearing in a trio of solo movies, Avengers outings, and assorted Marvel movies. And the question of who is entitled to carry the shield or be Captain America was central to the show.
The feature is likely to continue the story of Sam Wilson, played by Anthony Mackie, and the current wielder of the shield. But as the writers get to work, it will interesting to see how the story unfolds with there now being multiple people who have been Captain Americas in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
No director is attached and Evans’ involvement or return remains unconfirmed. Marvel was tight-lipped as usual.
Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which also stars Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes/The Winter Soldier, has earned strong critical and fan reaction. Spellman assembled a nearly all-Black writer's room for the series, which has been praised for bringing the Black experience to the forefront not quite like any other superhero film or TV show before it. The series has tackled issues as every day as discriminatory lending practices, to the original sins of America building itself on the backs of Black people.
The series premiered March 19, to what Disney+ said was its biggest series debut ever, topping popular shows such as Marvel's WandaVision and Lucasfilm's The Mandalorian.
Evans toplined three previous Captain America films, including Captain America: The First Avenger (2011), Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Captain America: Civil War (2016), and retired the role with Avengers: Endgame. When events pick up in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Wilson opted to forgo the title of Captain America, and sees the government give the role to John Walker (Wyatt Russell), a white member of the military.
Spellman was previously a writer/co-executive producer on Fox show Empire and also acted as a consulting producer on crime show Truth Be Told before getting the chance to take the lead on Falcon. He is repped by CAA and Industry Entertainment.
Musson was the credited writer of what is considered among the strongest of the show's installments, episode 5. He is a rising scribe whose previous credit was on Iron Sky: The Coming Race, an action thriller centered on Nazis on the moon. He is repped by Verve and Industry.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-america-4-in-the-works-with-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-showrunner-malcolm-spellman-exclusive?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
How stunning and brave.
See, white people are accepting of real inclusion which is why we don't scream "cultural appropriation" all the time when black people come in and try to take or change our stuff.
But it seems that black people want what everyone else has created, but then get angry if someone does a nod to "their culture". But then again no other cultures synthetically produce their own accent to separate themselves from the rest of humanity, either. Black People Outraged At Asian Girl Who Sounds Black In Film (https://www.thefocus.news/celebrity/awkwafina-controversy/).
CyberCubed
04-23-2021, 05:40 PM
People will accept a black Captain America because it's Sam Wilson taking up the mantle which is fine.
neatoman
04-23-2021, 06:17 PM
People will accept a black Captain America because it's Sam Wilson taking up the mantle which is fine.
Uhm... OK? I guess? Not sure what you mean, the impression I got is that most people think MCU Sam is fairly bland and forgettable.
oldmanwinters
04-23-2021, 06:24 PM
Uhm... OK? I guess? Not sure what you mean, the impression I got is that most people think MCU Sam is fairly bland and forgettable.
He's definitely "the side kick" type in the existing Marvel movies. It's not easy to elevate that type into a viable top-billing film.
Andrew NDB
04-23-2021, 06:53 PM
Everyone has a cool "origin story." We know Steve's. Bucky went through literal hell. And they both became super soldiers... one of them with a vibranium arm.
Sam? When you remove race and how "important" that is right now from the equation... what is he? A nice guy with no superpowers with a sister in debt who taught himself to kind of throw a shield over the course of 1 episode, basically. That's not much of anything. Again, I don't think it was even suggested that he invented or can repair (himself) the Falcon wing tech.
neatoman
04-23-2021, 07:12 PM
As far as I can tell, it was created by the air force.
I love Anthony Mackie's Sam. I thought he made that character relevant and likeable as a relevant and very human touchstone for Steve and for good living.
Lost a lot of love for the character during his "put yourself in service to them" speech to Bucky though.
Zulithe
04-23-2021, 08:38 PM
Bucky just doesn't have that same cool factor without the Star on his arm. I get why it's gone but his 'costume' is kinda boring. I wish he'd get something cooler.
Wasn't thrilled with the season but it was entertaining. Glad I watched it. Wandavision way better. Looking forward to Loki, which I hope to be closer to Wandavision quality.
Coola Yagami
04-25-2021, 12:26 PM
Uhm... OK? I guess? Not sure what you mean, the impression I got is that most people think MCU Sam is fairly bland and forgettable.
He means that Sam Wilson is an actual separate character, not that they went and cast a black Steve Rogers. Not that hard to understand.
CyberCubed
04-25-2021, 02:02 PM
People are also huge fans of black Captain America.
AquaParade
04-25-2021, 03:16 PM
I'm getting a kick out it how many online pundits don't want to admit they like John Walker. Everyone has to temper it "I don't want to say I liked him, but..." as they go on to lavish the character and his arc.
He was a complicated character who was portrayed well. And he was likeable in some ways. I feel like people think it is some kind of political statement to admit they like him.
CyberCubed
04-25-2021, 05:14 PM
Eh, I didn't really like him, but I guess that was the point. His character and basically the look of the actor himself were basically designed to be unlikeable.
AquaParade
04-25-2021, 07:50 PM
I felt like most attempts to make us dislike him were actually pretty weak.
Up until episode 4, his only real sin was being prideful, which we’ve seen with a lot of Marvel heroes. Even then, he was a pretty friendly guy.
Then episode 4 mixed things up, but when you look at the context, it’s more of a tragedy than anything else - Walker struggles to succeed as Cap, takes serum in hopes to save more lives, loses control of mind from mix of serum and seeing his friend die. So obviously he did the wrong thing there, but I don’t hate him or “love to hate him” as I’ve seen a lot of people say.
ZariusTwo
05-31-2021, 06:20 AM
Plans are already changing for the movie. Sharon was supposed to be the villain, but her role will now be 'reduced' due to fan backlash
https://www.cbr.com/captain-america-4-sharon-carters-role-changed/
Andrew NDB
05-31-2021, 06:25 AM
What? Dumb. I think. But I guess I assumed her big payoff was going to be in the Secret Invasion series as a Skrull. So... she isn't actually a Skrull in Falcon & Winter Soldier? Wow. Maybe TPTB read everyone saying she is obviously a Skrull when she wasn't supposed to be... and rethought everything.
Vegita-San
05-31-2021, 07:09 AM
has anyone brought up how they gave us an 'old steve out' in endgame?
that scene with scott turning all different ages is the perfect way to 'young' him again.
my question with old steve was....where was he when his wife was in the hospital dying of Alzheimer's?
or at her funeral? hiding from young steve?
Sumac
05-31-2021, 01:57 PM
What? Dumb. I think. But I guess I assumed her big payoff was going to be in the Secret Invasion series as a Skrull. So... she isn't actually a Skrull in Falcon & Winter Soldier? Wow. Maybe TPTB read everyone saying she is obviously a Skrull when she wasn't supposed to be... and rethought everything.
Terminator Salvation again?
Could those idiots learn anything from the past mistakes?
Galactus
05-31-2021, 05:26 PM
has anyone brought up how they gave us an 'old steve out' in endgame?
that scene with scott turning all different ages is the perfect way to 'young' him again.
Sure, that's how they were going to fix Thor until Hemsworth talked them into him remaining fat. I imagine though that unless Chris Evans wants to commit to properly returning as Steve Rogers (as in not just a one off or infrequent cameos etc) then it would be pointless turning him young again.
In-universe you could say that the tech is unreliable so not worth the risk and Steve has lived his life and that's enough for him
my question with old steve was....where was he when his wife was in the hospital dying of Alzheimer's?
or at her funeral? hiding from young steve?
It's strange to me these questions still come up. It's made clear in the movie that going back doesn't alter history but creates a new timeline that splinters off from the original.
Steve went to live in alternate timeline before returning to the main MCU timeline to reunite with Sam and Bucky. We don't know how his presence affected that history although we know he retrieved that universes Steve Rogers' shield to replace the one Thanos broke.
Vegita-San
05-31-2021, 06:01 PM
because of one simple thing. if it was an alternate timeline, how come old steve was there at all? he should have stayed in that alternate universe. if they wanted us to think that it was one, then they should have shown old steve popping up like ant man coming out of the portal.
that's one thing that confuses people. I always assume he got his shield back from the capvrs cap fight. or made another one
because of one simple thing. if it was an alternate timeline, how come old steve was there at all? he should have stayed in that alternate universe. if they wanted us to think that it was one, then they should have shown old steve popping up like ant man coming out of the portal.
that's one thing that confuses people. I always assume he got his shield back from the capvrs cap fight. or made another one
Because there was no alternate timeline. Everything that happened happened because Steve went back in time and replaced the stone so as to stop the creation of an alternate timeline.
That was the entire point regarding the conversation between Banner and the Ancient one. The only reason she let him have the stone was because he said that could replace the stones back into the appropriation place to stop the creation of an alternate timeline.
Vegita-San
05-31-2021, 07:07 PM
I realize that. the point being debated here is, why does everyone still think old steve was in our timeline?
Lets assume he stayed hidden all these years. where did the new shield come from? make another? if not, then he created another alternate timeline where a steve didn't have one.
but the fact that he seems to simply just appear there naturally would assume he got to that point the long way, so no alternate timeline.
Andrew NDB
05-31-2021, 07:27 PM
He was definitely hiding in the shadows in every flashback we've ever seen. Or like when Peggy died... he knew when to avoid the spotlight.
He was definitely hiding in the shadows in every flashback we've ever seen. Or like when Peggy died... he knew when to avoid the spotlight.
Exactly. As for the shield, they don't precisely explain it. There are a lot of possibilities though. It can't be his original shield because it was accounted for across the entire timeline that he was hiding in the shadows during.
Knowing about Wakanda, he could've had another one made there.
During his time jumps to replace the stones, he could've revisited the battle field or reclaimed the two halves of the original and had it repaired in the past.
I mean not much about speculating on that can yield a perfect solution until they cover it in canon at some point (if ever), but... you know... "science fiction answer xyz". Infinity War was damn close to a perfect superhero flick. Endgame, not so much.
ZariusTwo
08-18-2021, 02:37 PM
Anthony Mackie has closed a deal to carry the shield and his first superhero picture in Captain America 4, sources said.
Kevin Feige’s Marvel Studios keeps its details well under wraps and it isn’t clear whether the movie will involve Sebastian Stan, who starred with Mackie in the well-received Marvel Studios Disney+ limited series The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Anthony Mackie Captain AmericaThe unofficial title indicates this is Mackie’s vehicle, and it’s an exceptional career moment for the Juilliard-educated actor who has been a bright spot in every film he’s appeared in. That includes the Best Picture winner The Hurt Locker, 8 Mile and The Banker, to his turns as Falcon, the wingman of Captain America, who was handpicked by that superhero to succeed him. The series involved his conflict in taking on the superhero persona. Mackie played Falcon in five Marvel films beginning with Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
Captain America 4 is being scripted by The Falcon and the Winter Soldier head writer and creator Malcolm Spellman, along with series staff writer Dalan Musson. This is not believed to be the top-secret project tipped by my colleague Justin Kroll that might bring Chris Evans back into the fold. A director hasn’t yet been set for Mackie’s film.
https://deadline.com/2021/08/anthony-mackie-captain-america-4-movie-deal-disney-marvel-malcolm-spellman-1234817327/
Andrew NDB
08-18-2021, 03:23 PM
Pretty sure the title of Captain America 4 was always going to be the title revealed at the end of FATWS. So of course Bucky will be in it.
Andrew NDB
07-08-2022, 04:10 PM
They have a director. Yes, of course it's a black guy.
https://screenrant.com/captain-america-4-director-sam-wilson-marvel-movie/?utm_source=SR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=SR-FB-P&fbclid=IwAR14tZ6mTPb1g8Emiqy06IxvhmKiDXMjd9opuFZr_ RXmzdF5hXw4D2TGAhU
CyberCubed
07-08-2022, 06:41 PM
Since Captain America is black now I hope it's not all about black lives matter.
superstaff
07-08-2022, 07:48 PM
They have a director. Yes, of course it's a black guy.
https://screenrant.com/captain-america-4-director-sam-wilson-marvel-movie/?utm_source=SR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=SR-FB-P&fbclid=IwAR14tZ6mTPb1g8Emiqy06IxvhmKiDXMjd9opuFZr_ RXmzdF5hXw4D2TGAhU
So, basically, if the movie has a black lead, it can only ever be directed by a black person. If it's a female lead, only female directors allowed. And so on. There's no room for 'different voices' in entertainment now. Movies and TV are being segregated by race, sex, orientation, etc. It's no surprise that entertainment is stagnating. This isn't diversity, it's 'keeping the groups from mixing together'.
Since Captain America is black now I hope it's not all about black lives matter.
Judging from Falcon and the Winter Soldier, I'd say that's unlikely. They're likely going to shove racism moralizing right in the audiences' faces, and there will be absolutely no nuance to it.
Andrew NDB
07-08-2022, 08:00 PM
Yeah, the Falcon & The Winter Soldier show shows us exactly what we can expect in that department.
Autbot_Benz
07-23-2022, 07:38 PM
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CyberCubed
07-23-2022, 07:57 PM
Can't wait for Black America.
Andrew NDB
07-23-2022, 08:26 PM
I'm fine with it but just please, please don't make it a big "America is racist" thing. They can make a good Captain America movie with Falcon and not need to play that card.
Coola Yagami
07-23-2022, 08:43 PM
I'm fine with it but just please, please don't make it a big "America is racist" thing. They can make a good Captain America movie with Falcon and not need to play that card.
No they can't. The left loves all race, all the time.
Cowabung-Gal
07-25-2022, 04:38 PM
“New World Order”?
:teek:
Andrew NDB
07-25-2022, 04:51 PM
“New World Order”?
:teek:
lol... I know, right? They're just saying it out loud now. Next it will be Shang Chi: Right Side of History.
mrmaczaps
07-25-2022, 06:37 PM
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I wish I could say I hadn't seen this coming, but ffs, lets be real. Fvck Marvel.
Autbot_Benz
09-10-2022, 02:27 PM
DiscussingFilm
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Tim Blake Nelson will return as The Leader for ‘CAPTAIN AMERICA NEW WORLD ORDER’ as the main villain. #D23Expo
This should be good
Coola Yagami
09-10-2022, 02:46 PM
This should be good
The Hulk better be in this, or they might as well make Magneto the Fantastic Four villain.
I wonder if New World Order was put in because Cap America- Black Lives Matter would been a little toooooo on the nose so they had to backtrack just a wee bit. Just a weeeee bit but still on the nose.
Autbot_Benz
09-10-2022, 02:49 PM
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Julius Onah describes ‘CAPTAIN AMERICA NEW WORLD ORDER’ as a paranoid thriller. #D23Expo
this sounds interesting
ProphetofGanja
09-10-2022, 03:29 PM
Agreed, I'm eager to get a real plot synopsis now
TigerClaw
09-10-2022, 03:46 PM
Shira Haas has been cast as Israeli superheroine Sabra in ‘CAPTAIN AMERICA NEW WORLD ORDER’. #D23Expo
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1568690195972890626
Autbot_Benz
10-17-2022, 12:48 PM
Its official Harrison Ford is in the movie as General Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/harrison-ford-joining-captain-america-4-marvel-1235241621/#recipient_hashed=52991d7e2ca940c88f140fd9b7f85435 dde81ca700d8a925604c9ce9541f3e30&recipient_salt=6e7de77df4c3201f74a9ffbafb3d7113a91 85dd4a684abf53b0f0740c6f56c40
Ford will appear as Ross in Captain America: New World Order, which will star Anthony Mackie reprising his longtime Marvel character of Sam Wilson. The Cloverfield Paradox helmer Julius Onah is set to direct. The movie will take place after the events of 2021’s Marvel Disney+ series The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which saw Wilson finally accept the shield and mantle of Captain America.
frank_one
10-17-2022, 01:18 PM
Everything automatically gets more interesting with Harrison Ford. Still not enough though.
Power Rangers Marvel Universe.
Everyone can be Captain America.
Everyone can be Hulk.
Everyone can be Iron Man.
Generation of communists who were raised on Power Rangers and Beetleborgs with a core belief system that "we are all already special and exactly the same, in the same uniform, just in different variation and color".
No Heroes. Nobody stands out. Nobody strives to be more because there are no role models when you already are part of the variation.
Drones who will own nothing. And be happy.
Leo656
10-17-2022, 01:56 PM
Part of why My Little Pony was the greatest kids' show of the last 15+ years (Absolute Facts) was because they actively railed against that entire thing. They even did a whole two-parter on how giving up what makes you unique so that everyone is "perfectly equal" is very, very bad, and flipped the antagonist into a buddy later on after she learned the error of her "just make everyone the same, that's the ticket" ways.
I said out loud at the time how ballsy it was to do an entire kids' show arc about how "Being different and unique is much better than everyone being Exactly The Same", because yeah, it really does seem like the opposite narrative is what's being pushed and has been for some time now.
But then that show was 20 different flavors of brilliant anyways and people who dismissed it for whatever reason really did themselves a huge disservice.
Autbot_Benz
02-14-2023, 02:30 PM
Kevin Feige EW, he revealed that when Harrison Ford is introduced as Thaddeus Ross in the upcoming Captain America: New World Order movie, he will be President of the United States.
https://marvelousnews.com/266-32534?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
President Ross will be interesting
Autbot_Benz
03-27-2023, 02:17 PM
Liv Tyler is finally back as Betty Ross
https://collider.com/captain-america-4-cast-liv-tyler/
Liv Tyler is set to make her return to Marvel with Captain America 4. The sequel, currently titled Captain America: New World Order, is set to follow Anthony Mackie's Sam Wilson as the titular hero in his first big-screen solo film. Tyler, who previously starred in the Edward Norton-led Incredible Hulk, is set to return as Betty Ross, the daughter of Harrison Ford's Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross.
ChosenOne
03-27-2023, 03:58 PM
Liv Tyler is finally back as Betty Ross
https://collider.com/captain-america-4-cast-liv-tyler/
Now we just need Doc Samson back!
oldmanwinters
03-27-2023, 04:13 PM
Feels like we might be getting Red Hulk and Red-She Hulk!
Cowabung-Gal
03-27-2023, 06:57 PM
Feels like we might be getting Red Hulk and Red-She Hulk!
Red-She Hulk? You mean this monstrosity?
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1045/2402/files/Winter_She-Hulk_480x480.jpg?v=1624504109
Autbot_Benz
03-27-2023, 07:29 PM
Red-She Hulk? You mean this monstrosity?
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1045/2402/files/Winter_She-Hulk_480x480.jpg?v=1624504109
That's not Red She Hulk That's Winter Hulk. This is Red She Hulk
https://i.imgur.com/9HrMpDM.jpg
oldmanwinters
03-27-2023, 07:47 PM
I think these days in the comics that Betty is a red… zombie-fied Harpy… or something like that.
ZariusTwo
03-28-2023, 11:27 AM
I think these days in the comics that Betty is a red… zombie-fied Harpy… or something like that.
They should never have brought Betty back. She's utterly unlikeable now.
Andrew NDB
03-28-2023, 10:23 PM
Liv Tyler is finally back as Betty Ross
https://collider.com/captain-america-4-cast-liv-tyler/
Finally. Though... is Hulk even in this? *sigh*
ZariusTwo
06-06-2023, 07:19 AM
It's got a new title
"Brave New World"
https://twitter.com/marvel_updat3s/status/1666044362160046082
Autbot_Benz
06-13-2023, 11:22 AM
CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD
Previously dated on 5/3/24 moves to 7/26/24
https://www.marvel.com/articles/movies/marvel-studios-announces-updates-to-theatrical-release-schedule
Andrew NDB
10-25-2023, 06:40 PM
Going to introduce another diverse female superhero, though with interesting timing:
https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-america/captain-america-new-world-order/will-controversial-israeli-hero-sabra-be-introduced-as-a-mutant-in-captain-america-brave-new-world-a207408?fbclid=IwAR0KB3cBFNo8W3XET0T2XjA75blLblNJ7 wDfru1viRI78qplKL_h1u3ZcCE#gs.cd98.6utbzv
I mean, whatever. As long as it's not a Doctor Strange 2 situation, where the movie seemingly only exists to introduce a female character to be used in other stuff (Captain Two Moms, key to the Multiverse in the Multiverse Saga, in that case).
Sumac
10-25-2023, 11:44 PM
SJWs about to neck themselves or proclaim Disney / Marvel to be genocidal Nazis, who want to exterminate all non-White people. Even though Disney made more to promote their "message" than any other non-news corporation in the world.
Autbot_Benz
11-09-2023, 07:14 PM
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ZariusTwo
02-01-2024, 04:08 AM
So as a result of the reshoots, they're cutting the Serpent Society (and WWE star Seth Rollins) and the entire first action scene from the film as it involves them.
https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-america/captain-america-new-world-order/captain-america-brave-new-world-reshoots-rumored-to-completely-remove-the-serpent-society-a209135
Sumac
02-01-2024, 04:21 AM
So Marvel becomes DC, where even their key movies are reshot to heck and back?
LOL. I knew they reshot some stuff from time to time, but it sounds more like a movie, would be butchered together from different pieces, as opposed to being assembled. And we know how it usually ends...
I wonder what was the reason? It was that bad? Seth Rollins said something bad?
ZariusTwo
02-01-2024, 10:39 AM
Seth Rollins said something bad?
I don't think he's said anything out of turn, though his employers are under fire for the Vince Mcmahon allegations.
His wife Becky was meant to be included in The Eternals, but was cut too.
Movie has "disaster" spelled all over it - a variety of ways. It was going to be a woke $#!( disaster as it stood, but now it will be both that and a cobbled together reshoot disaster.
Let this be the final nail in the coffin of woke $#!(.
ZariusTwo
07-12-2024, 08:18 AM
Thought they would have waited for Comic Con to drop this, but...
O_A8HdCDaWM
I want to re-edit this into a teaser for 'Air Force One 2' :D
LeotheLateBloomer
07-12-2024, 09:14 AM
Thought they would have waited for Comic Con to drop this, but...
O_A8HdCDaWM
I want to re-edit this into a teaser for 'Air Force One 2' :D
Doesn't look bad but not really excited for this.
Autbot_Benz
07-12-2024, 09:51 AM
Getting Winter Soldier vibes from this and that's a good thing
Coola Yagami
07-12-2024, 10:49 AM
Looks interesting at least. Depends how I'm feeling when it comes out if I'm gonna see it or not.
Shame about taking out the Serpent Society fight. Yeah, let's take out a fight with all gimmick-using comic book villains. Smart idea. :roll:
Andrew NDB
07-12-2024, 10:57 AM
Kind of silly for Giancarlo Esposito to waste himself in such a part. He should have hung around and waited for meatier X-Men roles.
*and no I don't mean Magneto. That would just mean systemic racism instead of Nazis and WWII and a movie that will just divide and not fill seats.
Autbot_Benz
07-12-2024, 11:54 AM
Now can we give Hulk his balls back and go back to Smash Hulk Smash so he can fight Red Hulk and Leader in a future movie.
Zulithe
07-12-2024, 12:54 PM
as unexcited as I am for the film, I think the teaser they put out is probably the best they could have made the film look. It doesn't LOOK like a disaster, at least based on that preview.
Andrew NDB
07-12-2024, 01:52 PM
I hope we're still getting Liv Tyler's Betty back in this. Although without Hulk, what's the point? Though with the Leader, Betty, AND Red Hulk in this... surely he's got to factor in somehow? I mean, this would be even worse than finally revealing and defeating the real Mandarin in a movie without Iron Man if Banner doesn't at least show up.
Drose18
07-12-2024, 03:25 PM
Kind of silly for Giancarlo Esposito to waste himself in such a part. He should have hung around and waited for meatier X-Men roles.
Giancarlo as Gyrich and Bryan Cranston as Trask would've been cool.
That trailer was zero substance about the movie. It's so bad that they are relying on trailer-beats, musical cues and fade outs but literally nothing about this $#!( show of a movie.
But maybe they can lecture white America more about they'll never accept a "black Captain America" in a movie with a black Captain America.
Andrew NDB
07-13-2024, 01:37 AM
That trailer was zero substance about the movie. It's so bad that they are relying on trailer-beats, musical cues and fade outs but literally nothing about this $#!( show of a movie.
But maybe they can lecture white America more about they'll never accept a "black Captain America" in a movie with a black Captain America.
That's true. What exactly is the emotional hook here? Or anything? Stuff... happens? I guess? "You're not Steve Rogers!" Is that it? So... what are we doing here, really?
ToTheNines
07-13-2024, 04:44 AM
Getting Winter Soldier vibes from this and that's a good thing
I agree, looks interesting. I haven’t seen a marvel movie in theaters in ages. Even Guardians 3, I waited to stream it. Might finally come out of retirement.
I hope we're still getting Liv Tyler's Betty back in this. Although without Hulk, what's the point? Though with the Leader, Betty, AND Red Hulk in this... surely he's got to factor in somehow? I mean, this would be even worse than finally revealing and defeating the real Mandarin in a movie without Iron Man if Banner doesn't at least show up.
I feel like there’s no way Bruce isn’t in this.
The Deadman
07-30-2024, 10:57 AM
Apparently multiple Hulks are in this
https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-america/captain-america-new-world-order/there-are-multiple-hulks-in-captain-america-brave-new-world-according-to-anthony-mackie-a212397#gs.ccxmr7
Andrew NDB
07-30-2024, 11:17 AM
If it's She-Hulk or Hulk's son (ugh) at least this could be a chance to show them under a somewhat more serious context.
ZariusTwo
10-11-2024, 12:55 PM
'Awful' reception at test screenings
https://thatparkplace.com/captain-america-brave-new-world-reportedly-awful-after-test-screening/
Andrew NDB
10-11-2024, 01:42 PM
Yeesh. That's kind of what I was thinking. Like I'm not worried it will be "woke," necessarily," I'm thinking that after all the heavy rounds of reshoots and rejiggerings what will be left is a movie without any real importance or impact or much of anything. Because it never really had that to begin with. The reshoots, I suspect, were just to surgically remove or replace elements that may have been poised to divide audiences (which after "Falcon & The Winter Soldier" isn't difficult to imagine what they'd be). Which is fine and good on them... but there still needs to be more to the movie than just NOT having that stuff in it.
And again, what is the emotional hook here? Just some combination of, "I miss you, Steve" and also, "Hey, I'm not Steve!"/"Don't compare me to him!"? That's not much of anything at all.
Barkworm
10-11-2024, 01:52 PM
It just looks reeeeeeeeally bland. Harrison Ford should have retired after Blade Runner 2049.
Andrew NDB
10-11-2024, 02:01 PM
It just looks reeeeeeeeally bland. Harrison Ford should have retired after Blade Runner 2049.
Like, I'd challenge anyone who has watched any of the trailers for it so far to describe what the movie is about. I have a vague idea from summaries but even still, again, I have no idea what the "Heart" of the movie is, or why we're supposed to care about anything going on. I don't even really think it's setting anything up except maybe a Hulk(s) movie they legally can't even make yet?
And about General Ross... could we not have just gotten Sam Elliott back in the role? He's even two years YOUNGER than Ford. Can you imagine 30, even 20 years ago imagining to yourself, "One day, when Harrison Ford is 82 years-old he'll be playing a Hulk in a Marvel movie," and how insane that would seem? And not "insane = good."
Barkworm
10-11-2024, 02:25 PM
It‘s not even like he‘s going to do anything as Red Hulk besides facial mocap. And they‘ll have multiple Hulks in it? How about doing that in a Hulk film? What‘s the emotional connection between Ross and the new Cap?
Andrew NDB
10-11-2024, 02:32 PM
It‘s not even like he‘s going to do anything as Red Hulk besides facial mocap.
Apparently there is at least some full body mo-cap of him at least flexing about and stretching his arms and all.
And they‘ll have multiple Hulks in it? How about doing that in a Hulk film?
The Universal thing still stands. Marvel/Disney can never do a solo Hulk movie of any kind until they buy back the distribution rights for Hulk.
What‘s the emotional connection between Ross and the new Cap?
Nothing. Just flimsy stuff they'd just be trying to establish inside of the same movie. The only stuff they could even do is between Sam and Bucky, growing out of what they built in Falcon & Winter Soldier... but it sounds like Bucky barely has a cameo in the movie (and I'm a little suspicious of the reasons why, given the minds and modus operandi of the writers on Falcon & The Winter Soldier), and it was probably a reshoot to boot.
Autbot_Benz
10-17-2024, 11:53 AM
new pic of Red hulk that shows the face
https://i.imgur.com/XbIIQSZ.jpeg
Coola Yagami
10-17-2024, 11:57 AM
but it sounds like Bucky barely has a cameo in the movie (and I'm a little suspicious of the reasons why, given the minds and modus operandi of the writers on Falcon & The Winter Soldier), and it was probably a reshoot to boot.
Too many honkeys in this movie. Sebastian has gots to go.
Andrew NDB
10-17-2024, 12:05 PM
Too many honkeys in this movie. Sebastian has gots to go.
Something like that. Or eliminating any possible perception that a white sidekick/equal "needs" to be there to prop up and get over Sam Wilson, either with audiences or otherwise.
Coola Yagami
10-19-2024, 07:22 PM
I swear there has to be some boardroom somewhere for at least one of these projects with something going like this
'but sir, the fanbase don't like this stuff in their movies'
"who cares, the movie isn't for them"
'but they're the ones paying for the movies'
"I don't care, they're not the target audience'
'but sir... the audience you're targeting doesn't pay for the movies either'
"DO IT ANYWAY"
Zulithe
10-19-2024, 07:32 PM
Rumors lately are that the latest test screenings are not going so well. I would not expect a lot from this film.
I'm very excited for the Fantastic Four movie though, I think that is where the MCU will start to course correct. Hopefully.
Coola Yagami
10-19-2024, 07:43 PM
Rumors lately are that the latest test screenings are not going so well. I would not expect a lot from this film.
I'm very excited for the Fantastic Four movie though, I think that is where the MCU will start to course correct. Hopefully.
eh, they'll probably make Reed and Doom have sexual tension or something. We'll see.
Andrew NDB
10-19-2024, 08:27 PM
eh, they'll probably make Reed and Doom have sexual tension or something. We'll see.
I think Fantastic Four will play things pretty safe. It's whatever form an MCU X-Men will take is what is potentially horrifying.
Coola Yagami
10-20-2024, 10:43 AM
I think Fantastic Four will play things pretty safe. It's whatever form an MCU X-Men will take is what is potentially horrifying.
Aren't they going with the 'characters out of time' gimmick. Perfect chance for them to show just how 'toxic' traditional things are and for old-fashioned Reed to be put in his place for mansplaining and whatnot.
Marvel just lost all my faith and goodwill. Deadpool and Wolverine just did its own thing and even poked fun at the woke nonsense.
ToTheNines
10-20-2024, 11:52 AM
Thought they would have waited for Comic Con to drop this, but...
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I want to re-edit this into a teaser for 'Air Force One 2' :D
Has anyone else thought about how this trailer dropped two days before Thomas Crooks tried to shoot Trump?
Autbot_Benz
11-09-2024, 04:40 PM
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ZariusTwo
11-10-2024, 02:45 AM
Looks alright, I'm a bit numb to it though as I read the complete story online and the trailer appears to confirm everything I looked up.
This is already looking like it'll age atrociously when it comes out as far as the political climate goes. They're better off just dumping this on Disney+ before inauguration day.
Barkworm
11-10-2024, 03:14 AM
Looks a bit better than the last one but still really dull.
Andrew NDB
11-10-2024, 05:45 AM
Aren't they going with the 'characters out of time' gimmick. Perfect chance for them to show just how 'toxic' traditional things are and for old-fashioned Reed to be put in his place for mansplaining and whatnot.
Marvel just lost all my faith and goodwill. Deadpool and Wolverine just did its own thing and even poked fun at the woke nonsense.
"Out of time" was I thought the best option and what they were going with. But they added the "another universe, too" on top of it, which I don't like.
This movie has no choice but to be a blazing mess. After the woke $#!( Falcon and the Winter Soldier they were still riding the echo chamber high when they established this flick and the backlash is evident.
So many reshoots they probably had to scrap the entire "lecture white America about black Cap" angle. Either way this is just another of the last nails in the woke $#!( coffin. :lol:
What really cracks me up are people saying that this has "Winter Soldier vibes" going on nothing but the musical cues in otherwise empty trailers.
CyberCubed
11-10-2024, 08:07 PM
Harrison Ford looks so out of place here, like everyone just sees him as Harrison Ford and not the character he's supposed to be playing. He should have never been cast here.
As usual, I'll wait to this is uploaded for free in HD on the illegal streaming websites to give it a watch.
Andrew NDB
11-10-2024, 11:49 PM
This movie has no choice but to be a blazing mess. After the woke $#!( Falcon and the Winter Soldier they were still riding the echo chamber high when they established this flick and the backlash is evident.
So many reshoots they probably had to scrap the entire "lecture white America about black Cap" angle.
I can almost guarantee you are right on the money there and that's exactly what happened. And like, after surgically removing all of that stuff from the movie... it didn't really have anything else to "say." Is my suspicion.
I can almost guarantee you are right on the money there and that's exactly what happened. And like, after surgically removing all of that stuff from the movie... it didn't really have anything else to "say." Is my suspicion.
Exactly.... it's too obvious to not be the case.
Although when it comes up in interviews or whatever you know they'll make up some BS to explain the reshoots - anything other than "well, we were going to continue the assault on white males but the woke $#!( curve has been angling down precipitously and we had to reshoot 3/4 of this offensive $#!(fest of a film, sooo....."
Barkworm
11-11-2024, 10:41 AM
The film is going to be boring but so is your raging against wokeness.
Andrew NDB
11-11-2024, 12:51 PM
Speaking of woke, what's with them apparently changing Sabra from a Jewish/Israeli character to a Russian in the movie? Isn't that "erasing an identity," or what-have-you?
The film is going to be boring but so is your raging against wokeness.
Hey man, there can be kitschy responses or cliches like "is woke in the room with you now?" But it's simple - if it's there it's open for commentary. When it's not there I don't say anything. When it is, I do. It's really that simple.
Besides, if you like "woke" you should like it when I point it out because it's awakening you to woke $#!(. :lol: Look at it like that - glass half full man. :P
Andrew NDB
11-25-2024, 04:12 PM
Shesus man... more reshoots on Captain America 4!
https://www.darkhorizons.com/more-captain-america-reshoots-underway/
Coola Yagami
11-25-2024, 08:15 PM
At this point none of the first cut will be left.
Politics at its best. It's clear that after bomb after bomb, they're doing whatever they can to make sure that the black Captain America movie MUST succeed. Virtue signal points are at stake.
ToTheNines
01-12-2025, 08:51 PM
Seth Rollins confirms he’s been cut from the film. Cites “Many reshoots and rewrites”
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/wwe-wrestler-says-captain-america-114126444.html
Coola Yagami
01-12-2025, 09:17 PM
Seth Rollins confirms he’s been cut from the film. Cites “Many reshoots and rewrites”
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/wwe-wrestler-says-captain-america-114126444.html
That's old news. He was probably part of that cut fight with the Serpent Society. Which is dumb. In what looks like a mostly straight political thriller movie, removing one of the fights that remind us this is based on comic books was a dumb move.
It looks like the theater isn't going to care much until Red Hulk appears.
neatoman
01-13-2025, 02:40 AM
I wonder if this movie has gone through so many reshoots that you could construct something almost completely different from the final cut with cut/alternate scenes?
Coola Yagami
01-13-2025, 07:49 AM
I haven't seen the shows or movies, my last MCU movies are the Spiderman ones and I guess Deadpool 3 counts.
Are the Avengers even a thing anymore? It sounds like they pretty much disbanded after End Game. I'm thinking the next movie has to be about them regrouping as much as it will be about whatever the villain is up to.
neatoman
01-13-2025, 07:59 AM
I haven't seen the shows or movies, my last MCU movies are the Spiderman ones and I guess Deadpool 3 counts.
Are the Avengers even a thing anymore? It sounds like they pretty much disbanded after End Game. I'm thinking the next movie has to be about them regrouping as much as it will be about whatever the villain is up to.
Allegedly the Thunderbolts movie will end with the team being declared the new Avengers.
Yes, if that is true then there will be an official Avengers line-up with Ghost and Red Guardian on it, really odd.
ZariusTwo
01-13-2025, 08:09 AM
I haven't seen the shows or movies, my last MCU movies are the Spiderman ones and I guess Deadpool 3 counts.
Are the Avengers even a thing anymore? It sounds like they pretty much disbanded after End Game. I'm thinking the next movie has to be about them regrouping as much as it will be about whatever the villain is up to.
The Avengers officially split in Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame were more or less just the whole universe crossing over
ToTheNines
01-13-2025, 08:24 AM
The Avengers officially split in Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame were more or less just the whole universe crossing over
They still functioned after Civil War. Remember Peter’s invitation in Homecoming? It was Tony, Rhodey, Vision… and I guess that’s it?
Then during the 5 year gap Captain Marvel, Black Widow, Rocket, Okoye and technically Steve were the team. Just not much was actually happening.
Post Endgame I’ve barely paid attention and can’t give a great answer.
Coola Yagami
01-13-2025, 09:22 AM
It's too bad that Evans and Robert Downey are such time actors. If there was to be a TV series, it should be about the adventures the Avengers go on in between films.
Or shows like Hawkeye, and Winter Soldier/Falcon should have been fun romps and adventures and not dealing with movie lead-in stuff or passing of the torch stuff. Like that's one of the problems with some of these shows. Imagine watching a new show about Daredevil and it's about passing the torch to Elektra instead of actually being about Daredevil and his adventures.
Andrew NDB
01-13-2025, 05:58 PM
Oh dear...
https://i.ibb.co/bgB3HWT/473329459-1148722479957943-4218187796781170078-n.jpg
LeotheLateBloomer
01-13-2025, 06:54 PM
Oh dear...
https://i.ibb.co/bgB3HWT/473329459-1148722479957943-4218187796781170078-n.jpg
Oh brother...:roll:
Coola Yagami
01-13-2025, 08:46 PM
Oh dear...
https://i.ibb.co/bgB3HWT/473329459-1148722479957943-4218187796781170078-n.jpg
Finally, a Captain America that looks just like me (not literally but you know what I mean) which implies Sam Wilson didn't mean **** when he was Falcon, AKA his own name. Let's virtue signal the fact that Sam doesn't mean **** to anyone, even his own race, until he dressed like the white man.
Autbot_Benz
01-13-2025, 08:47 PM
Oh dear...
https://i.ibb.co/bgB3HWT/473329459-1148722479957943-4218187796781170078-n.jpg
so where was that author when Black Panther came out? :lol:
They could have released the exact same book and called it "My Adventure With Sam Wilson: Captain America" and it probably would have been just fine.
But instead they literally inform the next generation with their socio-political insanity. Kids barely have an original thought that isn't signaled into them by the intended statement or question.
Coola Yagami
01-14-2025, 07:03 PM
Kinda sad most of us grew up appreciating heroes just because, while nowadays people are trying to create a generation where people can't appreciate something unless someone like 'them' is in it.
ToTheNines
01-14-2025, 08:26 PM
They could have released the exact same book and called it "My Adventure With Sam Wilson: Captain America" and it probably would have been just fine.
Bingo. Exactly.
I see all kinds of politicized cringe when I’m shopping for my kid. Bought this as a joke gift for my boss and his grandson at the office Christmas party this year lol:
https://i.harperapps.com/covers/9780062748744/y648.jpg
Daniel Kibblesmith..... that name sounds super familiar for infamous reasons. Did he do a super woke comic that failed miserably? Maybe that was the clown who did the "Snowflake" and "Safe Space" thing..... :lol:
Andrew NDB
01-15-2025, 11:53 AM
Daniel Kibblesmith..... that name sounds super familiar for infamous reasons. Did he do a super woke comic that failed miserably? Maybe that was the clown who did the "Snowflake" and "Safe Space" thing..... :lol:
I was going to say, "That sure sounds like a pseudonym!" but it's a real guy. THIS guy, the one who was responsible for this a while back:
https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/scale_600/public/kids.jpg
Apparently he's also a big staff writer for Steven Colbert! This all checks out, really.
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And I just looked into it... lol... Marvel never even bothered to ever release that New Warriors reboot!
https://www.cbr.com/what-happened-new-warriors-30th-anniversary-marvel/
Also, he had what was supposed to be an ongoing run on a "gender-fluid" Loki series, but it was cancelled only 5 issues in:
https://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-loki-series-cancelled-quietly/
Andrew NDB
01-15-2025, 01:35 PM
All those reshoots and pickup shoots and it's the shortest of all the Captain America movies:
https://www.darkhorizons.com/new-captain-america-has-shortest-runtime/
Yeah, they really took a hatchet to it alright.
neatoman
01-15-2025, 02:55 PM
I wonder how much really has been left on the cutting room floor by now?
Coola Yagami
01-15-2025, 05:42 PM
At this point, only ten or so minutes will be leftover from the original film. Geez.
CyberCubed
01-15-2025, 07:50 PM
The only thing I'm interested in is finally seeing the Red Hulk in live-action. And even then it kinda weirds me out it's Harrison Ford. They should of never cast him in this role, people will always just see Harrison Ford and not the character he's supposed to be playing.
Andrew NDB
01-27-2025, 10:14 PM
Uh oh... Anthony Mackie says that Captain America shouldn't represent... America?
https://cosmicbook.news/anthony-mackie-captain-america-not-america?fbclid=IwY2xjawIFOEdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVKCp fV0aiEdJS5k-6Smvg0KDwQOvPRtbdOIfMVzeOIkqbTzDkwYiy4HZw_aem_sgp3 82U0yDgyE3d2ENNbJA
Coola Yagami
01-27-2025, 11:02 PM
Uh oh... Anthony Mackie says that Captain America shouldn't represent... America?
https://cosmicbook.news/anthony-mackie-captain-america-not-america?fbclid=IwY2xjawIFOEdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVKCp fV0aiEdJS5k-6Smvg0KDwQOvPRtbdOIfMVzeOIkqbTzDkwYiy4HZw_aem_sgp3 82U0yDgyE3d2ENNbJA
“Captain America represents a lot of different things and I don’t think the term ‘America’ should be one of those representations. It’s about a man who keeps his word, who has honor, dignity and integrity. Someone who is trustworthy and dependable.”
Isn't that what an American is, or at the very least should aspire to be? Did he forget heroes are supposed to be aspirational figures?
At this point, only ten or so minutes will be leftover from the original film. Geez.
:lol::lol: The instant I read this I imagined the Director nervously going to Kling.ai and prompting it to take the existing footage and "do this and that" to make a new movie.
ranger_scout
01-29-2025, 11:42 AM
Uh oh... Anthony Mackie says that Captain America shouldn't represent... America?
https://cosmicbook.news/anthony-mackie-captain-america-not-america?fbclid=IwY2xjawIFOEdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVKCp fV0aiEdJS5k-6Smvg0KDwQOvPRtbdOIfMVzeOIkqbTzDkwYiy4HZw_aem_sgp3 82U0yDgyE3d2ENNbJA
He now has to clarify what he meant. This is complete damage control.
Let me be clear about this, I’m a proud American and taking on the shield of a hero like [Captain America] is the honor of a lifetime. I have the utmost respect for those who serve and have served our country. [Captain America] has universal characteristics that people all over the world can relate to.
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/anthony-mackie-clarifies-proud-american-captain-america-brave-new-world-1236289380/
Andrew NDB
01-29-2025, 11:47 AM
Yeah, his post didn't test well. :lol:
“Captain America represents a lot of different things and I don’t think the term ‘America’ should be one of those representations. It’s about a man who keeps his word, who has honor, dignity and integrity. Someone who is trustworthy and dependable.”
Isn't that what an American is, or at the very least should aspire to be? Did he forget heroes are supposed to be aspirational figures?
Exactly.
It's very simple - you say this - "Captain America represents the best of America at all times and is someone who brings us back to striving for that ideal state that we all desire".
That's it. The end. It's not that hard.
Barkworm
01-29-2025, 12:46 PM
Exactly.
It's very simple - you say this - "Captain America represents the best of America at all times and is someone who brings us back to striving for that ideal state that we all desire".
That's it. The end. It's not that hard.
Agreed. That's all what Captain America needs to be. Whether it's a realistic representation of America is irrelevant because the character is a symbol.
Coola Yagami
01-29-2025, 07:53 PM
Agreed. That's all what Captain America needs to be. Whether it's a realistic representation of America is irrelevant because the character is a symbol.
The problem is nowadays for people on the wrong side of the aisle consider America's ideals to be MAGA, and Disney Marvel can't have that.
Similar to how Marvel felt they had to 'course correct' the Punisher because the wrong people started to like him.
Autbot_Benz
01-29-2025, 08:18 PM
Similar to how Marvel felt they had to 'course correct' the Punisher because the wrong people started to like him.
that always made me laugh how MAGA's and their ilk started prostituting the Punisher Skull and American flag versions of it. Not knowing that Frank Castle would probably pop a cap in their ass if he ever saw them. :lol:
Coola Yagami
01-29-2025, 09:53 PM
that always made me laugh how MAGA's and their ilk started prostituting the Punisher Skull and American flag versions of it. Not knowing that Frank Castle would probably pop a cap in their ass if he ever saw them. :lol:
There was some comic where some extremists wanted to side with Frank, and he gunned them too. They weren't exactly MAGA cause I think that was before the movement started but yeah... same thing with a different name.
Andrew NDB
01-31-2025, 09:00 PM
that always made me laugh how MAGA's and their ilk started prostituting the Punisher Skull and American flag versions of it. Not knowing that Frank Castle would probably pop a cap in their ass if he ever saw them. :lol:
Mostly it was lefties taking issue with members of the military wearing the Punisher skull on their uniforms or on their shirts or as patches... not, like, hillbillies in the south and militias or something. Military and war being evil and unthinkable, of course.
And here's Mackie completely missing the point and doubling down:
https://www.darkhorizons.com/mackie-talks-captain-america-reshoots-politics/
ZariusTwo
02-01-2025, 01:59 AM
"Captain America is my Oscar":lol:
Reminds me of Max Landis and "Bright is my Star Wars"
Coola Yagami
02-01-2025, 11:15 AM
Mostly it was lefties taking issue with members of the military wearing the Punisher skull on their uniforms or on their shirts or as patches... not, like, hillbillies in the south and militias or something. Military and war being evil and unthinkable, of course.
And here's Mackie completely missing the point and doubling down:
https://www.darkhorizons.com/mackie-talks-captain-america-reshoots-politics/
The biggest problem is he's kinda stuck between a rock and hard place. Mackie can't talk too positively about America since people will equate that with a certain orange individual and yet he's portraying a character that is now only supposed to represent America, it's in his ****ing name.
Andrew NDB
02-11-2025, 01:29 PM
More complaining from Mackie.
https://www.darkhorizons.com/mackie-on-removing-his-captain-america-cowl/
lol, "YOU gotta do better, costume department!”
Mackie can't talk too positively about America since (snip)
No, he can. He totally can. That's absolutely a thing he can do.
ToTheNines
02-11-2025, 01:47 PM
It’s insane to me that his power is that he flies, but he doesn’t wear a helmet. Which was never part of his Falcon design, but now they’re going out of their way when a helmet is already part of the Captain America costume.
Also this movie should not be coming out 6 years after Endgame. I guess they pumped the show out quick, but it stunk.
Andrew NDB
02-11-2025, 01:57 PM
It’s insane to me that his power is that he flies, but he doesn’t wear a helmet. Which was never part of his Falcon design, but now they’re going out of their way when a helmet is already part of the Captain America costume.
Yeah, he needs a helmet way more than Steve does. He needs a helmet more than like anybody else on the Avengers, come to think of it. Though from the trailer it looks like he has some kind of nanite helmet that forms when he wants it to? I hate all this nanite stuff we've been stuck with for years now.
Also this movie should not be coming out 6 years after Endgame. I guess they pumped the show out quick, but it stunk.
It would have been like 3 without these delays. The show took about a year break from filming during COVID and BLM, and during which they were super excited to rewrite in a bunch of BLM ideals into the back half of, then were super excited to continue them into Captain America 4 but then the strike happened delaying things another year, and then they started testing the thing and realized that nobody actually liked the BLM stuff they continued into it. And since then it's been a game of, "How much can we strip the movie down/reshoot it until it's at least moderately digestible?" until they've basically conceited that it's about as good as it's going to get.
Andrew NDB
02-12-2025, 02:17 PM
https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-america/captain-america-brave-new-world/captain-america-brave-new-world-full-reviews-lean-more-negative-than-first-reactions-a216175?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3VG5tht4Xr_31UC Zg1aOCP11dRTfAvfIzFq5KFdJh0lLeGxYuEScvHntw_aem_sWm 5qB_MOMS4njf7yG8IUw#gs.a192.kc9rpw
Collider, who feels Brave New World has "more in common with Sony's disastrous attempts to make its own Marvel movies than it does with the prior entries that turned the MCU into what it is today."
Oooch... that's not good.
Barkworm
02-12-2025, 02:20 PM
Forecasts for the weekend are looking surprisingly good but first reactions are lukewarm. My guess is an okay opening weekend, steep drop in its second and ultimately a bomb. The budget is reportedly around 180 million which is hard to believe with all the reshoots.
Andrew NDB
02-12-2025, 02:50 PM
The budget is reportedly around 180 million which is hard to believe with all the reshoots.
Yeah right it's 180 million. Only 10 million more than Winter Soldier over 10 years ago now, which HAD no (at least, significant or any that we're aware of) reshoots?
Maybe everyone took the advice from Falcon and the Winter Soldier and they are "doing better". By resisting the addiction to buy a ticket.
Autbot_Benz
02-14-2025, 12:15 PM
Well The Leader looks like **** great job Marvel
https://i.imgur.com/mt7TaGG.jpeg
Andrew NDB
02-14-2025, 12:30 PM
Looks... fine. But do they bother to explain what he's been up to for the 15 in-story years since being "made" in Incredible Hulk?
Sounds like Liv Tyler's return was butchered to basically amount to nothing:
https://www.ign.com/articles/was-liv-tyler-really-in-captain-america-brave-new-world-betty-ross
Andrew NDB
02-15-2025, 10:54 PM
Huh. I didn't realize this but I guess the original opening of the movie before they reshot all of it and hired Giancarlo Esposito was going to literally be a big January 6th thing. Like, the MCU version of January 6th.
Yeesh! And they thought that was going to be a good idea?
Coola Yagami
02-16-2025, 12:05 AM
Huh. I didn't realize this but I guess the original opening of the movie before they reshot all of it and hired Giancarlo Esposito was going to literally be a big January 6th thing. Like, the MCU version of January 6th.
Yeesh! And they thought that was going to be a good idea?
Ugh... that woulda been awful. In a world that was invaded by aliens, robots, then had half the population vanish and somehow come back years later... leave the J6 **** real world out of it. I think half the planet suddenly vanishing tops anything Trump would do.
ToTheNines
02-16-2025, 04:35 AM
That would have been hilarious.
But to play devil’s advocate, before they were able to make Civil War happen, Marvel’s plan for Cap 3 was the whole “mad bomb” story that would put Cap in the moral quandary of beating up people who are mind controlled against their will.
Which you can still spin into a cringe Orange man bad take. But we know libs have absolutely zero sympathy for anyone being led around the Capitol and taking selfies that day.
Edit: interesting spoiler-filled review I found https://slate.com/culture/2025/02/captain-america-brave-new-world-new-marvel-movie-trump.html
Andrew NDB
02-17-2025, 10:49 AM
But to play devil’s advocate, before they were able to make Civil War happen, Marvel’s plan for Cap 3 was the whole “mad bomb” story that would put Cap in the moral quandary of beating up people who are mind controlled against their will.
They still should have made that Captain America 3. As far as I'm concerned we've never gotten it.
ToTheNines
02-17-2025, 04:58 PM
Totally. I still love Civil War, but in a perfect world we would have somehow had the true Cap 3/Winter Soldier sequel followed by Avengers: Civil War.
Andrew NDB
02-17-2025, 05:06 PM
Totally. I still love Civil War, but in a perfect world we would have somehow had the true Cap 3/Winter Soldier sequel
Yeah. And everything in Civil War was situational. Winter Soldier had, at least, breadcrumbs of character development and a new arc for Steve but there was absolutely nothing in Civil War for him.
followed by Avengers: Civil War.
Should have just been "Marvel Studios' CIVIL WAR."
ToTheNines
02-19-2025, 09:43 PM
Just got back. I thought it was quite good. I have a large list of nitpicks (mainly I found the sidekick guy annoying, and one plot point that I’ll put in spoilers), but this is one of the few MCU flicks that’s been decent since Endgame, so I’ll take it.
The script felt pretty tight, and the third act felt short but not rushed. Even Marvel movies that I like feel too long, but this was just right. Not a lot of world building, and it’s crazy to think there will be another Avengers movie out in a little over a year. Sure doesn’t feel like it!
Random non-spoiler thoughts:
- Absolutely zero love interest for Sam seems odd.
- No obligatory shirtless scene?
- The Isaiah Bradley stuff was probably the highlight.
- They have GOT TO stop with the green screen for just normal outdoor scenes. Take your asses on location!
- Loved all the Incredible Hulk follow up. Ford did good, but RIP William Hurt.
- Guess I need to finally suck it up and watch Eternals lol.
Some spoiler stuff:
- Enjoyed the Bucky scene but really don’t like the idea of him running for congress. I always loved that Steve gave Sam the shield. I know it goes against the canon, but it made sense in the MCU. Not just because Sam was a good man, but because Bucky was this tortured soul with a checkered past and a bad reputation. Many people would still hate him for what he did. But now he’s running for public office after living in hiding all this time?
- Why didn’t Ross just give Sterns the pardon? Or at least do something nice for him? I guess you can chalk that up to “he’s just an asshole” but then the movie goes out of its way to tell you what a great guy he is and how much he changed by the end. Oh well.
- Surprised there was no Old Man Steve cameo. Do we have to assume he died?
- Who was Ross’ VP? They’re presumably the president now, not that that’s particularly interesting.
- Seriously question, where is Banner? I’m not watching She Hulk.
ranger_scout
02-20-2025, 03:35 PM
I liked the film better than I thought I would. However, the middle could've been better. I would give it a 7 out of 10.
Andrew NDB
02-20-2025, 03:47 PM
- Enjoyed the Bucky scene but really don’t like the idea of him running for congress.
Yeah, where did that even come from? Is there some comic book thing of him becoming a politician?
ZariusTwo
02-21-2025, 01:05 AM
Yeah, where did that even come from? Is there some comic book thing of him becoming a politician?
Well, he did play the Donald lately, could it just be an inside joke?
Stu_Padasso
02-21-2025, 01:33 AM
Well The Leader looks like **** great job Marvel
https://i.imgur.com/mt7TaGG.jpeg
I thought that Jean Grey wiped out the broccoli people after she became consumed by the Phoenix Force?
ToTheNines
02-21-2025, 05:19 AM
Yeah, where did that even come from? Is there some comic book thing of him becoming a politician?
Who knows. Also strange that there is zero hint of this from what we know about Thunderbolts, which takes place not long after this. But that tells me it was part of the reshoots. Obviously I have a pessimistic and jaded view of American politics but:
wherever they take this plot, you know they’re not really going to show what side of the aisle he’s on. The House is a ****ing clown show. It’s very funny to me imagining Bucky have to answer questions about like trans bathroom rights and FAKE gun violence statistics.
Then again the MCU isn’t our world. They’re still dealing with fallout from The Snap and other actual threats. So maybe it’s not that dumb. I just don’t think it fits his character because he’s naturally reclusive and it’s a job for grifters.
A few more random thoughts:
- Falcap should still have the machine guns on his wings. It made sense when Steve quit carrying because he trained with the shield enough that he didn’t need a piece. But Sam doesn’t have the Serum, so he should carry.
- I kind of hope they don’t have future plans for Old Man Steve, but this movie should have opened with his funeral. That would have added some much needed emotional weight for Sam to feel the burden of living up to the legend, and placed more importance on Isaiah Bradley as an aging mentor. It also would have mirrored Peggy’s funeral in Civil War.
- All those scenes in The Raft and no Zemo? Even after that dumbass show went out of its way to have the Wakandans inexplicably put him there?
- Speaking of the show, it’s strange that the main emotional hook of the script relies on you having seen it. Sure it makes the Disney plus stuff feel significant, but even if 80 percent of the audience did watch it… it came out FOUR years ago. Many people probably didn’t really remember the Isaiah Bradley stuff.
Falcap should still have the machine guns on his wings. It made sense when Steve quit carrying because he trained with the shield enough that he didn’t need a piece. But Sam doesn’t have the Serum, so he should carry.
It looked like they basically cribbed one from Archangel and gave Falcon "Feather blades"
Andrew NDB
02-21-2025, 10:38 AM
- Falcap should still have the machine guns on his wings. It made sense when Steve quit carrying because he trained with the shield enough that he didn’t need a piece. But Sam doesn’t have the Serum, so he should carry.
Yeah, you're right. I'm not a big Marvel comics guy, but when Steve picked up the machine gun and started machine-gunning HYDRA agents on the helicarrier in Avengers it gave me pause, but then almost immediately -- and I think it was the same for most audiences -- it became "right, why wouldn't he blast them with a machine gun?" For Falcon-Captain, the reasons are even moreso for that. Especially if he's being sent on legit military operations for the US military. I don't imagine the modern US military is going to be interested in hiring a lot of Hacksaw Ridge-type dudes in 2025.
Plus if all he's doing is knocking people out, doesn't that put the rest of the team in danger? How does he know they'll all stay unconscious EXACTLY as long as it takes for the rest of his team to get in there and put them in shackles or whatever? Maybe thug #4 wakes up and presses the detonator, or busts out a bazooka when the team is arriving after Falcon-Captain wraps things up?
Barkworm
02-23-2025, 02:51 AM
Second weekend is almost 70 per cent down, Box Office analysts are spinning this into a "At least better than The Marvels!" success story. Errr...
Second weekend is almost 70 per cent down, Box Office analysts are spinning this into a "At least better than The Marvels!" success story. Errr...
Screen Rant spent a week and a half with headlines like "Captain America Brave New World" DESTROYS 100 Million Dollar HAUL!" and other nonsense. They where shilling the movie so hard that it's almost undeniable that they are somehow being cut a check from Disney for it. :lol:
Meanwhile, every other reasonable person on Earth was busy saying "this movie is going to crash and burn ridiculously on week 2" once opening weekend was done catering to 2% buyers-for-whatever-reason and 98% NPC's.
Just another sign that the MCU is dead, it piqued with End Game and it'll only continue to fall. Returning actors and gimmicks will get them some money but the downward trend is there and it'll continue to go lower and lower over the next few years. Gen Alpha doesn't even care for capes.
Andrew NDB
02-23-2025, 01:49 PM
We'll see what happens with Thunderbolts. I'm not getting a sense that people are super excited for it but it looks at least moderately good. But if people don't go to it that might then be a cause for concern. And then if Fantastic Four tanks... yeah, that might be the beginning of the end. They won't be able to coax by on just Avengers movies. And then if X-Men ends up being super divisive? Yeesh, that'll be that.
ToTheNines
02-23-2025, 02:07 PM
Yeah I really hope they lay it to rest after Secret Wars. Doubtful, but they should.
On the topic of this one: Superhero fiction works best when the protagonist is put through the wringer, be it physically or emotionally. Preferably both.
Sam mostly takes this whole story in stride. They point out that he broke a few bones, but that’s pretty much it. Look at Steve’s Cap trilogy. Part 1 he literally survives WWII and has to live with losing his one shot at finding love. Part 2 he finds out his best friend is somehow alive and working for HYDRA, then gets beaten to an absolute pulp by him and nearly drowns. Part 3 his new makeshift family falls apart mostly over Bucky and he goes to the end of the earth to absolve him. Then has to fight half of the Avengers, gets his ass beat by Iron Man and narrowly comes out on top. Ends up a fugitive from justice and abandons the shield.
Sam might lose Bradley. But he’s just some old dude he met a few years ago. And physically he gets off pretty easy considering he had to fight Rulk.
ToTheNines
02-24-2025, 12:08 PM
Yeah, you're right. I'm not a big Marvel comics guy, but when Steve picked up the machine gun and started machine-gunning HYDRA agents on the helicarrier in Avengers it gave me pause, but then almost immediately -- and I think it was the same for most audiences -- it became "right, why wouldn't he blast them with a machine gun?" For Falcon-Captain, the reasons are even moreso for that. Especially if he's being sent on legit military operations for the US military. I don't imagine the modern US military is going to be interested in hiring a lot of Hacksaw Ridge-type dudes in 2025.
Plus if all he's doing is knocking people out, doesn't that put the rest of the team in danger? How does he know they'll all stay unconscious EXACTLY as long as it takes for the rest of his team to get in there and put them in shackles or whatever? Maybe thug #4 wakes up and presses the detonator, or busts out a bazooka when the team is arriving after Falcon-Captain wraps things up?
Right if he's running missions for the USAF, he's surely authorized to use lethal force and is operating within the rules of the Sokovia Accords.
Speaking of which, I also don't like the fact that Sam even considered Ross' offer to lead a new Avengers team. especially if he thought he was doing good work with the Air Force. Cap's whole deal is that he always does the right thing and has no problem making tough decisions.
While we don't hear all of Sam's inner thoughts on the matter, it seems like he is only into it because he thinks it would be cool and make him a "worthy" Captain America. Steve would have told Ross to suck his dick.
Just another sign that the MCU is dead, it piqued with End Game and it'll only continue to fall. Returning actors and gimmicks will get them some money but the downward trend is there and it'll continue to go lower and lower over the next few years. Gen Alpha doesn't even care for capes.
I honestly think it peaked with Infinity War. Endgame wasn't all that great. Everyone walked away from it with recency-bias because the 3rd act was very strong, but the movie as a whole wasn't even remotely as good as Infinity War.
We'll see what happens with Thunderbolts. I'm not getting a sense that people are super excited for it but it looks at least moderately good. But if people don't go to it that might then be a cause for concern. And then if Fantastic Four tanks... yeah, that might be the beginning of the end. They won't be able to coax by on just Avengers movies. And then if X-Men ends up being super divisive? Yeesh, that'll be that.
I don't know what there is to wait and see about. Thunderbolts might do better than Craptain America Brave New Woke, but Thunderbolts is also littered with woke $#!( replacement characters - gender and race swapped Ghost, gender swapped Taskmaster, hell they tried to make the Sentry an Asian guy at first. All of these movies are the remnants of the woke $#!(-agenda era. Add to it that this movie is basically Marvel's 5-year too late ripoff of the Suicide Squad..... eh.
Andrew NDB
03-04-2025, 12:11 PM
Daaamn... looks like Captain America: Brave New World is going to rest at about 160 domestic, 341 total international. That's even lower than Captain America 1, which didn't even do great and it had a smaller budget. It's even lower than Black Widow, which was plagued by the pandemic.
In FACT... goodness gracious...
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary
Looking at the list there, with the notable exception of The Marvels, Captain America 4 is presently the lowest grossing MCU movie of ANY MCU movie since all the way back to The Incredible Hulk.
Wowzers!
I honestly think it peaked with Infinity War. Endgame wasn't all that great. Everyone walked away from it with recency-bias because the 3rd act was very strong, but the movie as a whole wasn't even remotely as good as Infinity War.
idk. Just remove that "Girls Get it Done!" bit and I'd say Endgame was very nearly pitch perfect, to me. The only thing that could've made it better for me was if a lot of the Netflix characters, too, showed up for the final battle.
ToTheNines
03-05-2025, 12:09 PM
Daaamn... looks like Captain America: Brave New World is going to rest at about 160 domestic, 341 total international. That's even lower than Captain America 1, which didn't even do great and it had a smaller budget. It's even lower than Black Widow, which was plagued by the pandemic.
In FACT... goodness gracious...
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary
Looking at the list there, with the notable exception of The Marvels, Captain America 4 is presently the lowest grossing MCU movie of ANY MCU movie since all the way back to The Incredible Hulk.
That’s a shame. It wasn’t great but it wasn’t that bad either. Probably more indicative of general MCU fatigue rather than this movie itself.
idk. Just remove that "Girls Get it Done!" bit
I used to listen to some podcast that did a “rewrite” of that scene that made it much more palatable and is my headcanon to keep my eyes from rolling out of my head. I’ll try to find it.
I'd say Endgame was very nearly pitch perfect, to me. The only thing that could've made it better for me was if a lot of the Netflix characters, too, showed up for the final battle.
Yeah it ruled. You basically get 3 cohesive mini-movies in one. But I can why people would prefer Infinity War.
It felt too much like Back To The Future 3 to me. You have this epic movie (Infinity War/ Back To The Future 2) and you expect this follow-up to level the whole thing up, but it doesn't. It just goes on tour and becomes sort of mundane.
Ironic too because I'm talking about the expectation of the follow-up, but I understand that plotwise Endgame was more BTF2 than 3, I get that. But I'm talking about what you get following up an incredibly strong movie.
I dunno. I mean the movie was fine, but I don't go back to watch it at all.
I wasn't talking about quality necessarily, Infinity War was just the end of the whole build up. No matter how good the MCU would've been after it, it was never going to reach those highs ever again even if the next movie was somehow better. You had something building for 10+ years and it reached its climax.
The only movies that have done MCU numbers have been the ones relying a lot on nostalgia (Deadpool/Spiderman), sure all the big names will get decent numbers and the lowered quality hasn't helped but it was never going to do great again. Mainstream audiences are no longer hooked, it'll only continue to do worse and worse over the next few years even if it can still be profitabel.
Andrew NDB
03-05-2025, 06:22 PM
It felt too much like Back To The Future 3 to me. You have this epic movie (Infinity War/ Back To The Future 2) and you expect this follow-up to level the whole thing up, but it doesn't.
Heh, I remember that feeling as a kid. I saw BTTF2 and loved it, then as BTTF3 got closer and closer I don't think I even ended up seeing it in the theater because I thought the cowboys thing looked lame and boring compared to what we just got. So even sight unseen I felt that way! lol...
neatoman
03-05-2025, 06:26 PM
Alright, I just got back from watching this thing and even if I didn't already know it's a giant reshoot cluster****, I'm pretty sure I would have figured out there was something off about it. It just doesn't feel... Fully coherent, I guess?
Beyond the problems obviously caused by reshoots and a script that likely wasn't very good in the first place, Shira Haas is... A really baffling casting choice for action scenes. I know people make fun of how Tom Cruise is short in real life but he's at least tall enough to hide it, this woman always looks like still needs a stool to reach the bathroom mirror no matter what they do.
Andrew NDB
03-05-2025, 07:06 PM
Beyond the problems obviously caused by reshoots and a script that likely wasn't very good in the first place, Shira Haas is... A really baffling casting choice for action scenes. I know people make fun of how Tom Cruise is short in real life but he's at least tall enough to hide it, this woman always looks like still needs a stool to reach the bathroom mirror no matter what they do.
Totally! GROSSLY miscast, though I was impressed they actually cast an Israeli actress in a very Israeli part given the "climate" right now and even said so in-movie... though look what they did to the part. I kept waiting for some kind of payoff to her tiny size/stature... but all we really got was that brief hallway scene which just looked awkward and dumb and didn't do her any favors.
I was reading a few reviewers saying they felt bad and wondered if maybe there was something wrong with her physically, like maybe she had some form of dwarfism or something... and I looked and yeah, she had some kind of cancer that torpedoed her growth/maturation IRL.
I guess when in the movie when we saw her begin to suit up in the movie in the ocean by the carriers and the celestial and the magically disappear there was going to be a big Captain Marvel style scene for her... all of which deleted. But even if they'd left it, I'm not really sure her character was at all justified? I'd have rather they just brought in the new Black Widow, or Sharon Carter and undo some of the damage to her from the Falcon & Winter Soldier show.
Heh, I remember that feeling as a kid. I saw BTTF2 and loved it, then as BTTF3 got closer and closer I don't think I even ended up seeing it in the theater because I thought the cowboys thing looked lame and boring compared to what we just got. So even sight unseen I felt that way! lol...
Yup that is it exactly - you understand what I'm illustrating with Endgame and that's exactly how I felt about BTTF 3. That's right.
Alright, I just got back from watching this thing and even if I didn't already know it's a giant reshoot cluster****, I'm pretty sure I would have figured out there was something off about it. It just doesn't feel... Fully coherent, I guess?
Beyond the problems obviously caused by reshoots and a script that likely wasn't very good in the first place, Shira Haas is... A really baffling casting choice for action scenes. I know people make fun of how Tom Cruise is short in real life but he's at least tall enough to hide it, this woman always looks like still needs a stool to reach the bathroom mirror no matter what they do.
I honestly can't believe you guys were compelled to pay to see it. You literally gave money to Disney who hates you.
neatoman
03-05-2025, 08:27 PM
I honestly can't believe you guys were compelled to pay to see it. You literally gave money to Disney who hates you.
Well, I gotta keep my cinema gold membership up somehow. And if it makes you feel any better, thanks to said gold membership, I didn't actually pay to see Nosferatu, Kraven the Hunter, The Substance, Fly me to the Moon, Alien Romulus, Deadpool/Wolverine, A Quiet Place Day One, Planet of the Apes 4, Godzilla X Kong, Mutant Mayhem, Across the Spider-Verse, Quantumania, Puss in Boots 2, The Son, NOPE, Bullet Train, Super-Pets, Jurassic World Dominion, Jujutsu Kaisen 0, Men, The Bad Guys, Memory, Matrix 4, Old, Demon Slayer (the one with the train), Godzilla Vs Kong, Fellowship of the Ring extended, the Shining, Dark Knight Rises, Dark Knight, Far From Home, Dark Phoenix and Terminator 2. I know there are more but there was a restructuring in how the membership works and I can't go back further to check.
Well, I gotta keep my cinema gold membership up somehow. And if it makes you feel any better, thanks to said gold membership, I didn't actually pay to see Nosferatu, Kraven the Hunter, The Substance, Fly me to the Moon, Alien Romulus, Deadpool/Wolverine, A Quiet Place Day One, Planet of the Apes 4, Godzilla X Kong, Mutant Mayhem, Across the Spider-Verse, Quantumania, Puss in Boots 2, The Son, NOPE, Bullet Train, Super-Pets, Jurassic World Dominion, Jujutsu Kaisen 0, Men, The Bad Guys, Memory, Matrix 4, Old, Demon Slayer (the one with the train), Godzilla Vs Kong, Fellowship of the Ring extended, the Shining, Dark Knight Rises, Dark Knight, Far From Home, Dark Phoenix and Terminator 2. I know there are more but there was a restructuring in how the membership works and I can't go back further to check.
I was looking forward to Nosferatu so much. And about halfway through it I was tapping my fingers on the chair waiting for it to move forward. I felt nothing but boredom through most of the movie and honestly felt like Francis Ford Coppola did it better in every way, which is an honestly fair comparison given that the movies are basically carbon copies.
Andrew NDB
03-06-2025, 04:34 PM
Like I mentioned on a friend's page, I had a bunch of film buddies all super excited about going to see it... all talking about it for weeks/months to whoever would listen. Bubbling about it. Then the movie actually came out and it was complete and total crickets from the lot of them, every one.
Definitely took that as a bad sign.
Like I mentioned on a friend's page, I had a bunch of film buddies all super excited about going to see it... all talking about it for weeks/months to whoever would listen. Bubbling about it. Then the movie actually came out and it was complete and total crickets from the lot of them, every one.
Definitely took that as a bad sign.
Is this comment trailing my "Nosferatu" comment or are we back to Captain America: Woke New Mess?
Andrew NDB
03-06-2025, 04:47 PM
Is this comment trailing my "Nosferatu" comment or are we back to Captain America: Woke New Mess?
Nosferatu.
Nosferatu.
Yeah man. It.... just wasn't a good movie. Loaded with poor Directorial or maybe Camerawork choices, pretty awful pacing and claustrophobic cinematography that did not serve the "horror aspects". It just felt like Eggers was jerking off with his genius and got so wrapped up in it that he made a $#!( fest of a movie and called it 'artistic'.
Andrew NDB
03-06-2025, 06:24 PM
I saw one clip from it with the bearded vampire guy sweating or bleeding all over Johnny Depp's daughter and she makes like a silly scream... it didn't look scary or chilling or anything. Silly, maybe.
CyberCubed
03-08-2025, 12:37 AM
Saw it on "the usual sites" and it was fine. 7/10 movie.
I do think my enjoyment was carried by Harrison Ford though, and if the previous actor who played Ross was still alive I don't think I would have found him as sympathetic. Ford acted these scenes really well, he felt tired and distraught the whole movie, and well...it's Harrison Ford so you can't help but like him. But if it was the previous actor doing the same scenes, it might not have worked as well.
Sam was fine, the leader sucked, Sam's "sidekick" (I don't even know his name) sucked, Gus was ok, the other black guy in prison was fine. Bucky shows up for 1 small scene. It was nice to also finally see Red Hulk in a movie I guess, although feels a little odd without green Hulk there.
Overall it's far from the worst Marvel movie, but I can see why a lot didn't really care for it much. It's basically middle of the road.
Andrew NDB
03-08-2025, 01:51 AM
and well...it's Harrison Ford so you can't help but like him. But if it was the previous actor doing the same scenes, it might not have worked as well.
I believe if William Hurt was still alive and he'd done it (and damn guys, this was the build up to his whole thing) they'd have sold it entirely different vs. Ford in the part. It would have been a very different movie, a very different President Ross, and a somewhat different Red Hulk. But most importantly the whole thing would have felt far more like something built up to and earned than, "POOF! Here's your new Ross and btw, he's Red Hulk now" all in one fell swoop.
Would the movie have been MUCH better? No. But maybe a twee.
Andrew NDB
03-13-2025, 08:43 PM
Mackie is....based?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/captain-america-actor-insists-american-masculinity-exceptional-despite-being-under-attack
ToTheNines
03-15-2025, 04:39 AM
Mackie is....based?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/captain-america-actor-insists-american-masculinity-exceptional-despite-being-under-attack
I’ve always liked Mackie. I think he’s a level headed dude with some common sense without a being right-wing kook. Rare to see in Hollywood, obviously.
His joke about Seabiscuit in reference to diversity hires for directors always cracked me up: https://www.vulture.com/2015/10/mackie-disses-black-directors-for-horses.html
ranger_scout
04-18-2025, 10:52 AM
The film just passed the $200 million mark at the U.S. and Canadian box office, but it will have to rely on digital sales, streaming, and whatever number of physical discs sold to make up for its budget and underwhelming worldwide box office total.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2597421825/?ref_=bo_da_table_11
Andrew NDB
04-18-2025, 11:10 AM
The film just passed the $200 million mark at the U.S. and Canadian box office
And as with any film, after the first 2-3 weekends, tops, the % of box office goes overwhelmingly towards the theater and not the studio. After a month or so, forget about it... the theater is getting like 85%. So these "scraps" the studio has been getting the last month and a half aren't even worth mentioning.
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