When dubbed over cartoons are censored and keep what needed to be censored in.

[The Great Saiyaman]

First up, here's a very early episode of Pokémon in its original Japanese guise. Note the intro song.
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Yes, the song has Ash Ketchum detailing that he will look everywhere for Pokémon, including underneath a girl's skirt at which you hear the girl screaming and you'll see her pushing her skirt down as Pikachu darts between her legs.

Of course that was something that simply wouldn't go when the series was syndicated for a Western dub, so the footage of the intro was chopped up and a new song was written, which omitted lifting up girls' skirts to see if there's any Pokémon hiding there...
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...BUT, the footage of that girl trying her hardest to keep her modesty when Pikachu darts between her legs is actually KEPT IN THERE!

Doesn't that defeat the purpose here?

[neatoman]

The shot with the girl isn't especially noteworthy. You don't see her panties, you can barely tell she's trying to cover up and it lasts for less than a second. The editor at 4Kids most likely never even understood what was going on. There is probably a lot of "risqué" things you can show if you either change or omit the context.

Take this for example:
https://cdn.dbsmanga.com/file/mangap/1063/10019000/8.jpg
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Nothing really changed visually, all they needed to was the dialogue.

[sdp]

Well for the most part that's the easiest way to censor something, just dubbing something different, Pokemon was notorious for that. The banned Pokemon episode beauty at the beach (https://miscrave.com/articles/pokemon-banned-episodes/) being the one with the most dialog changed over the original episode and heavily censored.

But you say censored for Western audiences when what you're trying to say is censored for Americans. Look at how they massacred my boy by Americanizing Saint Seiya / Knights of the Zodiac (https://miscrave.com/articles/knights-of-the-zodiac/). If you want to talk about pointless editing just take a look at that, blue colored blood and they just say it's their "energy" that's leaking lmao. Europe and Latin America never had any problems airing anime uncensored until American companies started buying the worldwide rights and they had no option but to air the censored version.

European cartoons have just as much nudity as anime did and they don't shy away from blood. Hell even canadian shows tend to be more violent than their american counterparts and many parts cut because they were deemed to sexual for American audiences.

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[IMJ]

Makes me wonder how badly Attack On Titan is chewed up when dubbed. I know that I'm supposed to be into the sub-titles, but I'm not.

[The Great Saiyaman]

Well for the most part that's the easiest way to censor something, just dubbing something different, Pokemon was notorious for that. The banned Pokemon episode beauty at the beach (https://miscrave.com/articles/pokemon-banned-episodes/) being the one with the most dialog changed over the original episode and heavily censored.

But you say censored for Western audiences when what you're trying to say is censored for Americans. Look at how they massacred my boy by Americanizing Saint Seiya / Knights of the Zodiac (https://miscrave.com/articles/knights-of-the-zodiac/). If you want to talk about pointless editing just take a look at that, blue colored blood and they just say it's their "energy" that's leaking lmao. Europe and Latin America never had any problems airing anime uncensored until American companies started buying the worldwide rights and they had no option but to air the censored version.

European cartoons have just as much nudity as anime did and they don't shy away from blood. Hell even canadian shows tend to be more violent than their american counterparts and many parts cut because they were deemed to sexual for American audiences.

Jp8A0n7Zrxo

Have you ever seen the uncut version of the official Pokémon manga?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTr0Ls0Ds-Q9mSvqrbg6umCaaU2NdMENySzV7CgPHGtCHWZBcgirrA9hIKFG B58_zVACg0&usqp=CAU
Jessie of Team Rocket, looks-wise has nothing to be ashamed of.

But her manga counterpart is way more blatant about that, to such an extend that when that Manga was translated, the artwork itself had been altered...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWClA8YXQAcFHp2.png

And it wasn't just Jessie...
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/057/843/db6.jpg

[ABrown]

...BUT, the footage of that girl trying her hardest to keep her modesty when Pikachu darts between her legs is actually KEPT IN THERE!

https://media4.giphy.com/media/wdNagT9GBVBPDbgNNx/giphy.gif?cid=790b76118660b8671325e84c242aee41d12f 5fc5931a0336&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
And the four adult figures nodding their heads in approval.


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTr0Ls0Ds-Q9mSvqrbg6umCaaU2NdMENySzV7CgPHGtCHWZBcgirrA9hIKFG B58_zVACg0&usqp=CAU
Jessie of Team Rocket, looks-wise has nothing to be ashamed of.

Oh yeah. Jessie was always smoking hot. There's no question about that.

[neatoman]

Have you ever seen the uncut version of the official Pokémon manga?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTr0Ls0Ds-Q9mSvqrbg6umCaaU2NdMENySzV7CgPHGtCHWZBcgirrA9hIKFG B58_zVACg0&usqp=CAU
Jessie of Team Rocket, looks-wise has nothing to be ashamed of.

But her manga counterpart is way more blatant about that, to such an extend that when that Manga was translated, the artwork itself had been altered...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWClA8YXQAcFHp2.png

And it wasn't just Jessie...
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/057/843/db6.jpg

To be fair, it's not like Misty tends to dress modestly in the games either, most of the times she's just in a bikini. And I am not going to post the trading card where she is straight up naked because I don't want to get banned, but yes, there is indeed an official trading card of Misty where she isn't wearing anything at all.
https://cdn2.bulbagarden.net/upload/d/db/Red_Blue_Misty.png

[Leo656]

Uh... I assume there's some kinda story behind that trading card? Because that's... an interesting choice.

[IMJ]

Uh... I assume there's some kinda story behind that trading card? Because that's... an interesting choice.

They seem to do that a lot in anime when someone is being "empowered" and there is so much light and energy that it washes their clothes away during the "empowerment" or whatnot.

[neatoman]

Uh... I assume there's some kinda story behind that trading card? Because that's... an interesting choice.

It's called Misty's Tears. It was given completely different artwork outside of Japan. The original artwork depicts Misty holding a Staryu and crying, it's cropped just below her waist. Her nipples are not visible but otherwise her breasts are quite visible.

It honestly feels a bit wrong even describing it in such detail, given that Misty was around 12 or so in all media at the time, but there really isn't much else to say about it. It was deemed inappropriate outside of Japan, that's it. The most interesting part beyond that is that Sugimori, the main artist for the games, drew it. He also drew the international version, which I am comfortable posting.

https://poromagia.com/media/images/products/2021/02/275138-mistys-tears-118132-gym-challenge.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Misty is a swimmer which is why most art in the games has her in a swimsuit/bikini. Her anime design gave her regular shorts and shirt, and even then, her design is pretty modest. Unless you think women should be covered head to toe by a veil.

[Coola Yagami]

Misty is a swimmer which is why most art in the games has her in a swimsuit/bikini. Her anime design gave her regular shorts and shirt, and even then, her design is pretty modest. Unless you think women should be covered head to toe by a veil.

Eh idk, usually when older women wear Misty's exact outfit, which is basically a super small top and daisy dukes, they look sexy AF. It just looks bland on Misty cause she's a kid, but when an adult wears that outfit.....

It's the equivalent of if Misty and Jessie were to dress up at Catwoman, naturally Jessie would properly fill out the costume a whole lot better.

[CyberCubed]

Eh idk, usually when older women wear Misty's exact outfit, which is basically a super small top and daisy dukes, they look sexy AF. It just looks bland on Misty cause she's a kid, but when an adult wears that outfit.....
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Well yeah if you're looking at adult cosplayers wearing her outfit, it looks very different. But since she's a kid her outfit doesn't register as such. Her shorts are basically the same length as any shorts (unlike say Hilda, the protagonist of the BW games who does have ripped daisy duke shorts), and just a normal half shirt.

Of all the female character designs in Pokemon, Misty's is probably the most modest compare to the designs that came after her.

[Allio]

To be fair, it's not like Misty tends to dress modestly in the games either, most of the times she's just in a bikini. And I am not going to post the trading card where she is straight up naked because I don't want to get banned, but yes, there is indeed an official trading card of Misty where she isn't wearing anything at all.
https://cdn2.bulbagarden.net/upload/d/db/Red_Blue_Misty.png

Misty, outside of the anime, tends to be treated as an adult at least. Or at least much older than she is in the show.

[CyberCubed]

Outside of the HGSS timeskip, she's always portrayed as around 12 in the games. She's the youngest Gym leader of Kanto. She's definitely not as old as Sabrina or Erika for example who are portrayed as adults.

Also the artwork in the old games was sprite based so even if she was in a bikini it was barely anything noticeable. That's why in Let's Go they updated her design to look more like the anime with a shirt and shorts because now that the human models are in 3D they didn't want to portray her as she used to be.

[The Great Saiyaman]

There was perhaps the most infamous moment of the dubbed version of Bishojo Senshi Sailor Moon in the episode "Mirror, Mirror on the Wall" (Original Japanese title "Steal a Kiss from Mamoru! An's Project Snow White")

Makoto says to Rei that she should get the role for being the most talented. But the footage alone shows that Makato in the original Japanese version says that she should get the role because of her having the biggest breasts. Because although the lines had been altered, Makoto shoving her boobs into Rei's face was actually kept in.
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[ssjup81]

Have you ever seen the uncut version of the official Pokémon manga?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTr0Ls0Ds-Q9mSvqrbg6umCaaU2NdMENySzV7CgPHGtCHWZBcgirrA9hIKFG B58_zVACg0&usqp=CAU
Jessie of Team Rocket, looks-wise has nothing to be ashamed of.

But her manga counterpart is way more blatant about that, to such an extend that when that Manga was translated, the artwork itself had been altered...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWClA8YXQAcFHp2.png

And it wasn't just Jessie...
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/057/843/db6.jpgTo be fair, the manga-ka for that particular Pokemon manga (there's more than one) was a hentai artist or something like that. This is why practically every single female was drawn so ridiculously. Kasumi's outfit (if you could call it that) for her battle against Satoshi was so inappropriate! For that, Satoshi was rightfully distracted by what he was seeing. The US version putting her in a wetsuit made a heck of a lot more sense, even though Satoshi being distracted was still there. That aside, I don't know why it happened (backlash maybe?), for the the Japanese version of the manga, it was toned down after a while. Kasumi started to look more like her age (12) in the later chapters and issues. She also started to wear her hair down. I really did enjoy Ono's manga and the portrayal of the characters for it and the Rockets having a happily ever after, but hated how the female characters were drawn (I read the Japanese version of the manga), until later on when it was toned down a lot.

Edit: I couldn't find my Ono Pokemon manga stuff. I did upload some stuff from it years ago, but I only have one left. It was Kasumi reacting to Satoshi winning the Orange League.

[Coola Yagami]

Come to think of it, I think the reason lines are blurred in anime is because for the most part kids rarely act like kids. Look at Misty for example since we're talking about Pokemon.

What legit 12 year old in the real world is old enough to handle an entire gym all by herself in the absence of her sisters, travel the world, camp in the woods without crying or being scared or whatever. Sure she's in the company of two guys but they're kids too. Brock is portrayed as able to run a household full of siblings but he's a kid not much older than Misty. BS I say.

I think most kids in anime are pretty much treated as adults except for the following circumstances.

- whenever drinking, smoking, driving or whatever comes up, it's mentioned they can't cause they're kids

- whenever they're next to an adult character, the adult will call em kiddo or whatever. I mean some anime characters like Ichigo are so ****ing tall I legit forget he's still a kid until he's standing next to his dad or another adult.

- whenever a character cries after some event, especially a male character, they get a pass cause someone will remind us 'they're just a kid'. This is of course, characters that are NOT known for crying normally. I see you there Midoriya.

- on some rare occasion when **** really hits the fan a character or two will start freaking out and the voice of reason will remind the crew that in the end they're just kids and they're expected to do whatever impossible and dangerous task is required to save the world or defeat the monster

Other than that they're more than capable of risking their lives to save the world, fight against giant monsters, dragons, demons, or just act extremely composed and calm in situations where most adults would be ******** their pants and be extremely independent and self-reliant.

[Leo656]

Come to think of it, I think the reason lines are blurred in anime is because for the most part kids rarely act like kids.

I always assumed that it was because for the longest time the age of consent in Japan was like 13 years old.

Japan, amIrite? :lol:

[CyberCubed]

It's true of western cartoons too. In Batman, Robin starts off as a kid in most versions yet somehow he's fighting adults and solving crimes and zipping across rooftops.

[sdp]

is this a waifu thread? because it sure seems like a waifu thread.

Since Misty is already claimed in this thread I'll have to go with shampoo
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/df/4a/e2df4a6cc2c484dbb38871d14d7c82f0.gif


as far as age in anime, here we have example A, a perfectly normal 12 year old:
https://i.redd.it/9uv6ibjco7b61.jpg

I just ignore ages in anime since most characters that are supposed to be teens teens act like they're in their 20s so I just stick to my headcanon as it makes the shows make more sense.

What next? Cast a 50 year old as Jonny Cage?

Power rangers did it too, these are all High School Freshmen:
https://cravoidaspeaks.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/mmpr1.jpg

I always find it funny when people project themselves over the arbitrary age of fictional characters. "OMG I can't believe X character did X thing because they're only X years old! That's disgusting!"

[CyberCubed]

Real life shows are the worst about this. They always cast 25-30 year old adults to play HIGH SCHOOL kids.

I think people often forget what 15-17 year olds actually look like in real life, and how young they look, because movies/tv made everyone think High School kids look like College students or people in their late 20's.

[ssjup81]

Come to think of it, I think the reason lines are blurred in anime is because for the most part kids rarely act like kids. Look at Misty for example since we're talking about Pokemon.

What legit 12 year old in the real world is old enough to handle an entire gym all by herself in the absence of her sisters, travel the world, camp in the woods without crying or being scared or whatever. Sure she's in the company of two guys but they're kids too. Brock is portrayed as able to run a household full of siblings but he's a kid not much older than Misty. BS I say.

I think most kids in anime are pretty much treated as adults except for the following circumstances.

- whenever drinking, smoking, driving or whatever comes up, it's mentioned they can't cause they're kids

- whenever they're next to an adult character, the adult will call em kiddo or whatever. I mean some anime characters like Ichigo are so ****ing tall I legit forget he's still a kid until he's standing next to his dad or another adult.

- whenever a character cries after some event, especially a male character, they get a pass cause someone will remind us 'they're just a kid'. This is of course, characters that are NOT known for crying normally. I see you there Midoriya.

- on some rare occasion when **** really hits the fan a character or two will start freaking out and the voice of reason will remind the crew that in the end they're just kids and they're expected to do whatever impossible and dangerous task is required to save the world or defeat the monster

Other than that they're more than capable of risking their lives to save the world, fight against giant monsters, dragons, demons, or just act extremely composed and calm in situations where most adults would be ******** their pants and be extremely independent and self-reliant.This probably should depend on the series, right? You have stuff like the Digimon series where the series is pretty much grounded in reality...they just happen to have monsters and shocked when coming across them the first time. Stuff like Pokemon you have to suspend your disbelief because there are so many kids in that series running stuff or working in general. Look at Imite (Duplica). She's running her own place where she does shows with her Pokemon. Toru (Todd/Snap) is another. Isn't he supposed to be a world famous photographer, but he looks like he's 13 or something. Takeshi (Brock) was running the gym by himself while also taking care of his siblings because his mother was a flake and his father couldn't handle "losing" and skipped out on his responsibilities.

Hunter x Hunter is another series that's a bit nuts. The fact that kids are allowed to even participate in the Hunter exam is crazy! People can get killed during this and those in charge of it, can't be held liable for those deaths. Gon is 12. Killua is an exception, given the type of family he came from, but Gon grew up pretty normally. Kurapika is 16 and Leorio is 18.

I guess in Japan, they like using child protagonists on adventures so that the kids watching can identify with the adventurer since they usually are the types to do the right thing, those types of shows (Pokemon) seem to focus on friendships and the importance of them, junk like that.

[neatoman]

It's true of western cartoons too. In Batman, Robin starts off as a kid in most versions yet somehow he's fighting adults and solving crimes and zipping across rooftops.

Hey, speaking of Batman, this might be appropriate for this thread! It's not really editing but it is certainly because of censors:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2AzCg7aKdFc/Tuaeqnw8vHI/AAAAAAAAAZ4/nOng5P6XLmw/s1600/Batgirl+Christmas+06.jpg
RQZcbANztwQ?t=192

Now that is hardly much of a difference, but here is the version of the page that was rejected.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/857c5fe75a68219cff1c15593af37945/3695c7f6fdc4946b-ae/s640x960/ff19d9895337695a3aba5db1455d0635be9d4ba5.jpg

[Coola Yagami]

I always find it funny when people project themselves over the arbitrary age of fictional characters. "OMG I can't believe X character did X thing because they're only X years old! That's disgusting!"

I guess another way to look at it is that the whole 'age of consent' thing doesn't really exist or apply in a lot of shows.

90% of American shows don't deal with the subject at all unless it's a show for more mature audiences. I mean like ain't no one having sex on Captain Planet or other shows like that, all adult jokes aside.

Most (there are exceptions) action anime mostly deal with the action and whatnot, which is why most relationships are implied or just happen outta nowhere, cause these shows are more about fighting and secret techniques, there's no room for love-dovey stuff. Most of the time the heroes like Seiya, Ichigo and Yusuke are too busy being bad-asses to care much about 'getting the girl'.

And of course you have shows like Pokemon, Digimon and Beyblade and whatever where those kinds of topics just don't come up.

Most slice of life or high school anime do deal with that, however, that's a different matter altogether. I kinda take those anime as people remembering that teenagers are actually teenagers and teenagers want to get laid. They don't act like their neutered American counterparts.

[sdp]

Haters be damned, BatgirlxBatman ship
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PolishedRealisticAmethystinepython-max-1mb.gif

Canon in at least two different Batman continuities.

Hey, speaking of Batman, this might be appropriate for this thread! It's not really editing but it is certainly because of censors:

I prefer the censored version, it makes no sense that barbara would change into batgirl in the middle of a crowd. BTAS in general was a better show because of the censorship, the creativity to show those same scenes through another context is more powerful than having actually watched it. Robin's parents death for example.

[Sumac]

Talking about censorship in anime, I've probably mentioned it somewhere here before, but when Sailor Moon was broadcasted in Russia, most of it wasn't censored. So, there were open Gay and Lesbian couples and, later, a crossdresser.

Funny thing, that nowadays, I am afraid, our religious nutjobs and trash who love to be concerned about "traditional values of Russian society" would've got out of their way to ban it. In fact, several anime have been already banned in Russia including Death Note and Tokyo Ghoul.

Now that is hardly much of a difference, but here is the version of the page that was rejected.
It is just Timm inserting naughty joke.
He released the whole book with erotic sketches of characters he drew.

[CyberCubed]

Sailor Moon was way ahead of its time. For something that was written in the early 90's, it was full of lesbian relationships, gay characters, transgender characters, female empowerment, all the Sailor Scouts have little crushes on each other throughout the series even if they're all straight, etc. It's hard to believe Japanese kids all watched this between 1990-1995.

I watched the whole Viz redub of all 200 episodes just last year having never seen most of the show before.

[sdp]

America ruined anime, once Anime became a big hit after Pokemon all the American companies started buying the worldwide distribution rights for anime, censoring them and then selling those edited "safe" versions to the rest of the world.

Before that the rest of the world just didn't give a crap and translated the japanese versions without problems and after that everyone was getting the censored versions. Dragon Ball, Ranma, Sailor Moon, Saint Seiya, etc all aired uncensored in latin america, europe, asia etc and now everyone gets the neutred puritan versions of anime.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/f974674c88913a01a74bf2e4ad6ca8b3/tumblr_orwbmkJtvG1vxnu69_og_1280.gifv

https://media.tenor.com/images/f1bdca67486c43abeb1acbb7b842f68c/tenor.gif

https://64.media.tumblr.com/14d0c228af0a75746dc45d7670347388/tumblr_mtfoblD5rr1r5zfj8o1_500.gifv

https://media1.tenor.com/images/3cc30c7e6a9f8a9fd6513499cf95404e/tenor.gif

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah I agree... once an anime is big in Japan, in Mexico it's kind of a race against time. If they can get it before any American company gets their grubby hands on it, you're getting the raw uncut version and translation as close to the Japanese dialogue allows. If they wait too long it's a 50/50 chance you're getting either the real deal of the stupid Funimation version.

[IMJ]

I guess another way to look at it is that the whole 'age of consent' thing doesn't really exist or apply in a lot of shows.

I think there is also an innocence in romance that is implied in the Japanese culture through anime that we inherently sexualize in Western culture where we shouldn't. I know, I know that some of the material can be more overt through our eyes, but there is a cultural lens there.

[CyberCubed]

I'm always surprised how popular anime is in all the spanish countries. Hispanics are obsessed with anime, even more than in America.

[sdp]

It's not only hispanics but also europeans. Basically they have always had anime, it isn't like in the US it only became popular after Pokemon in 2000, there were decades of classic anime airing just months after Japan, the original Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z aired in the early/mid 90s and had already finished GT before DBZ was even popular in the US. So while the US got dated anime other countries got it at the time it was popular, Saint Seiya (https://miscrave.com/articles/saint-seiya-history/) in the late 80s another massive anime just as big if not bigger than DBZ.

Those countries were getting accurate dubs, no edits on TV airing alongside Transformers in the 80s, TMNT and Batman in the 90s. All those anime characters have had decades in those countries just like other american cartoons. So why are so many 80s and 90s characters so beloved in the US? People grew up with them for generations, same with anime in pretty much every country. Otaku culture was already mainstream worldwide before Pokemon reached, the US was LTTP.

How can you compare skeletor whining he lost to he-man again while Ikki was getting slaughtered Saga. The rest of the world just had decades of enjoying anime before the US.
https://media.tenor.com/images/eb9409162e16e38ecf1780b40d974dca/tenor.gif
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/c8/85/69c88588201a3efd3e3e851c71caccbb.gif


Ranma 1/2 aired uncut in the 90s alongside the Simpsons in many countries:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/08/aa/f408aa198e5e17ffbe85be5b292ce0b1.gif

Mortal Kombat was tame when this aired alongside Batman TAS:
http://imagenesconmovimiento.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/imagenes-con-movimiento-caballeros-del-zodiaco-6.gif

Sucks many american generations didn't grow up with great shows of their time because of their conservative values and because of xenophobia of content not created in the US. But hey, Ash Ketchum can continue to eat White Rice donuts
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/069/615/189.jpg

[IMJ]

it isn't like in the US it only became popular after Pokemon in 2000

This maybe true for anime designated mostly for little children. Pokemon kicked off a whole run of "for kids Anime" after it.

But the medium was still recognizable in the 80's where the U.S. had shows like Voltron and Macross always on the air once cable T.V. came along. Hell I had a ton of Voltron toys in the 80's - back then everything was accompanied by T.V. shows....

Then the 90's is where the medium became even more recognizable in the States. People were talking about anime in High School all the time on the backs of the popularity of several of the key movies which had global notoriety.

Anime had legs in the U.S. long before Pokemon in the 2000's. 8)

[Coola Yagami]

I think there is also an innocence in romance that is implied in the Japanese culture through anime that we inherently sexualize in Western culture where we shouldn't. I know, I know that some of the material can be more overt through our eyes, but there is a cultural lens there.

That's true. Like Haruka and Michiru. Their love is more 'I will die for you' and less 'I can't wait to get you home and lick you all up and down'.


Which also brings up a good point that always pisses me off whenever something gay is on a 'kid's show'. They always have to throw in sexuality when all they're doing is holding hands or whatever, similar to their heterosexual counterparts. Like a male character can just hug another male character or, as always in cartoons, sacrifice their life to save the male character', but naaaaaw everyone right away has to go there and already be thinking these kids are gonna be taking turns butt-****ing each other.

Like we can joke all we want and have Robot Chicken sketches, but you know in the actual canon of the shows, Mario and Luigi aren't double-teaming the princess, the turtles aren't running a train on April, He-Man isn't riding Teela as if she were battle cat and whatever other examples, but introduce a gay couple, parents are flipping their lids as if suddenly we're gonna start seeing blowjobs on a kids cartoon.

For as anti-sexual the US tries so hard to portray itself at times (when it comes to 'think of the children' and all that), they sure are quick to link their dirty thoughts to everything.

[IMJ]

For as anti-sexual the US tries so hard to portray itself at times (when it comes to 'think of the children' and all that), they sure are quick to link their dirty thoughts to everything.

Definitely seems that way.....

[The Great Saiyaman]

America ruined anime, once Anime became a big hit after Pokemon all the American companies started buying the worldwide distribution rights for anime, censoring them and then selling those edited "safe" versions to the rest of the world.

Before that the rest of the world just didn't give a crap and translated the japanese versions without problems and after that everyone was getting the censored versions. Dragon Ball, Ranma, Sailor Moon, Saint Seiya, etc all aired uncensored in latin america, europe, asia etc and now everyone gets the neutred puritan versions of anime.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/f974674c88913a01a74bf2e4ad6ca8b3/tumblr_orwbmkJtvG1vxnu69_og_1280.gifv

https://media.tenor.com/images/f1bdca67486c43abeb1acbb7b842f68c/tenor.gif

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I always said that those American dubs weren't trying. I mean when a scene in for example "Dragon Ball Z" asks for a blood curling scream, that's exactly what the Voice actress did.
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"Urusei Yatsura" is one of the rare anime which was never dubbed over and this compilation of lead character Lum screaming "Darling no Baka!" (Darling you idiot!) shows why, it's impossible to do this justice.

One series which WAS dubbed was "Bubblegum crisis 2033" and when I talk about Not putting in ANY effort...
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Okay, cool song right?

Here's the original Japanese version...
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I mean come on, this has so much drive and commitment in the way it's performed, the English version sounds like they phoned it in.

[IMJ]

Sailor Moon was way ahead of its time. For something that was written in the early 90's, it was full of lesbian relationships, gay characters, transgender characters, female empowerment, all the Sailor Scouts have little crushes on each other throughout the series even if they're all straight, etc. It's hard to believe Japanese kids all watched this between 1990-1995.

I watched the whole Viz redub of all 200 episodes just last year having never seen most of the show before.

There was a period of time in the early 2000's at least, where finding the Sailor Moon stuff on DVD was next to impossible. I dated a girl for years who was really into that show and it took me forever to eventually find what I think were just bootleg discs of it.

It became an automatic thing on my part to just sort of passively look for Sailor Moon stuff. And now that all of it is readily available on Disc, to this day when I see "Sailor Moon" I pause for a second as if I should maybe buy it as a result of it being a regular search-habit all those years ago......

[Leo656]

I used to catch a few minutes of Sailor Moon in the morning before school, I think it came on before "Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog". I tried to follow it but I couldn't, especially since I didn't see it every day. No real opinion on it either way, but it does always remind me of better and simpler days, simply through that passing experience with it. Part of me kinda wants to watch it "properly" just for the hell of it but with all the various DVD sets that came out I have no idea which ones are the "good ones".

It would also be tough to manage because my wife has what might generously be described as a "strong distaste" for anime. To put it kindly. She's okay with Speed Racer and Voltron, but otherwise it's a pretty hard Nope.

[drgon78]

I remember getting up at 4:00AM to watch Sailor Moon.

[CyberCubed]

Pokemon, Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon were basically the big 3 anime in the 90's everyone watched. Given they're also all popular with kids despite some adult themes and violence in all made them mainstream as opposed to only adult anime that wouldn't air on television back in the day.

[IMJ]

I tried to follow it but I couldn't, especially since I didn't see it every dy. No real opinion on it either way, but it does always remind me of better and simpler days, simply through that passing experience with it. Part of me kinda wants to watch it "properly" just for the hell of it but with all the various DVD sets that came out

Your words there pretty much sum it up for me exactly.

I know it's got a huge following, it's successful and I'm curious about it. But it's just huge and not something I'm ever going to watch beginning to end. I'm sure if I tried it, it would turn out like G1 Transformers where I can't even make it through an episode anymore.

[CyberCubed]

Sailor Moon is 200 episodes and a few movies. I can watch that in about a months time.

[Leo656]

In my case it's not the scale of the show that's daunting, it's the confusion about which DVD set would be the right one to buy.

And so help me God if you tell me to "just stream it" I am going to shoot you in the face.

[IMJ]

In my case it's not the scale of the show that's daunting, it's the confusion about which DVD set would be the right one to buy.

And so help me God if you tell me to "just stream it" I am going to shoot you in the face.

IIRC it's like Power Rangers - it has a variety of titles but they are all the same series. "Sailor Moon S" was like season whatever of "Sailor Moon".

[ZariusTwo]

Sailor Moon for me is all the ones with the cheesy songs.

[CyberCubed]

IIRC it's like Power Rangers - it has a variety of titles but they are all the same series. "Sailor Moon S" was like season whatever of "Sailor Moon".

There's 5 seasons of Sailor Moon. They all have subtitles as they go on.

Viz released DVD boxsets of the show and the new dub is excellent. It's pretty easy to see what to buy.

[The Great Saiyaman]

Sailor Moon for me is all the ones with the cheesy songs.

I don't know about that...
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[The Great Saiyaman]

There's 5 seasons of Sailor Moon. They all have subtitles as they go on.

Viz released DVD boxsets of the show and the new dub is excellent. It's pretty easy to see what to buy.

I hope they re-translated the dialog. that was another thing that really rubbed me the wrong way.

For example, where Chibi-Usa gets back from the future she hands the Sailor senshi a note from her mom, which is read by Minako who then says that she made it all up since there was nothing understandable in the note.

But in the original Japanese version of that scene, Minako points out that the note has no Kanji in it, since that is a signature thing of Usagi's, making the point that Queen Serenity and Usagi are the same person ever more apparent.

What was the deal with "I made it all up"? They could have made a joke about the note being in Usagi's handwriting and make remarks about how terrible it still is and how she never improved.

[Leo656]

Issues #5 and 8 of the MLP comic have ponies dressed as Sailor Scouts as background characters. That's pretty funny.

Issue #9 also has two ponies dressed up like Donatello and Michelangelo in the background. Unrelated, just thought it was worth mentioning. :lol: I learned a lot today.

[Coola Yagami]

Just for those that are curious it goes..

Sailor Moon
Sailor Moon R
Sailor Moon S
Sailor Moon Super S
Sailor Moon Sailor Stars

[sdp]

Sailor Moon: Classic, a bit innocent and formulaic . It's simple but that's good and it still has some pretty good moments. It's a good series.

Sailor Moon R: The filler arc in the beginning is top tier and some fo the best SM. When it starts adapting the manga it's ok, I can't remember much besides that it was inferior to the filler arc but don't remember if it was good or bad.

Sailor Moon S: Could be the best Sailor Moon season, it's so good.

Sailor Moon Super S: I don't know what happened but it's the worst.

Sailor Moon Star: Meh, it's not a mess like Super S but it wasn't that great either.

Overall a fun show to watch. I need to watch Crystal, is that done?

[CyberCubed]

Yeah the fourth season is where Sailor Moon started to get really repetitive, as the formula started running thin by that point. Still there were some great individual eps and a good finale. The final season was good.

Crystal's two movies covering the 4th season actually come out on netflix next month I think. So Crystal will have covered the first four series, all that's left is the last one which will probably be covered by movies instead of a season.

[Sumac]

Sailor Moon was way ahead of its time. For something that was written in the early 90's, it was full of lesbian relationships, gay characters, transgender characters, female empowerment, all the Sailor Scouts have little crushes on each other throughout the series even if they're all straight, etc. It's hard to believe Japanese kids all watched this between 1990-1995.

I watched the whole Viz redub of all 200 episodes just last year having never seen most of the show before.
It wasn't real full of anything like it and "trans" characters were not really trans either, in modern horrid understanding of that word.

Which also brings up a good point that always pisses me off whenever something gay is on a 'kid's show'. They always have to throw in sexuality when all they're doing is holding hands or whatever, similar to their heterosexual counterparts. Like a male character can just hug another male character or, as always in cartoons, sacrifice their life to save the male character', but naaaaaw everyone right away has to go there and already be thinking these kids are gonna be taking turns butt-****ing each other.
Yeah, I've noticed it too - in modern media and social networks people are disturbingly obsessed with underage characters sexuality and sex.

I understand that that people who do that are losers to one degree or the other, who are projecting themselves onto characters, but c'mon, most of the time those characters are just teenagers / kids (or look like teenagers with this horrible modern art style) and its idea that they must be boning each other behind the scenes is just stupid and disturbing.

Also, this weird obsession with "prom nights". And in general, idea that two people who are close to each must be lovers, instead of friends is dumb.

Sailor Moon: Classic, a bit innocent and formulaic . It's simple but that's good and it still has some pretty good moments. It's a good series.

Sailor Moon R: The filler arc in the beginning is top tier and some fo the best SM. When it starts adapting the manga it's ok, I can't remember much besides that it was inferior to the filler arc but don't remember if it was good or bad.

Sailor Moon S: Could be the best Sailor Moon season, it's so good.

Sailor Moon Super S: I don't know what happened but it's the worst.

Sailor Moon Star: Meh, it's not a mess like Super S but it wasn't that great either.

Overall a fun show to watch. I need to watch Crystal, is that done?
Agree with this rating.
SMSS was the best and everything after it was sort of a downfall.

[CyberCubed]

In Sailor Moon, Usagi basically has a crush on all her friends (it's made obvious the first time she sees Rei and Minako and Makoto), even if she's portrayed as straight for most of the series. In the final season she has a crush on the main male Sailor Star character too who can transform into a woman.

Obviously Uranus/Neptune are lesbians, but there's also lesbian innuendo between Chibiusa and Sailor Saturn that goes on through the series. Uranus also flirts with Usagi in the series and in Crystal they have an on-screen kiss that was cut from the original.

Besides that, the Sailor Stars transform from men to women when they fight, essentially making them transgender. And in the first season Zoisite or whatever his name was and one of the other male villains are gay lovers.

[Coola Yagami]

It wasn't real full of anything like it and "trans" characters were not really trans either, in modern horrid understanding of that word.


Yeah, I've noticed it too - in modern media and social networks people are disturbingly obsessed with underage characters sexuality and sex.

I understand that that people who do that are losers to one degree or the other, who are projecting themselves onto characters, but c'mon, most of the time those characters are just teenagers / kids (or look like teenagers with this horrible modern art style) and its idea that they must be boning each other behind the scenes is just stupid and disturbing.

Also, this weird obsession with "prom nights". And in general, idea that two people who are close to each must be lovers, instead of friends is dumb.


Agree with this rating.
SMSS was the best and everything after it was sort of a downfall.

Just the connection of sex and homosexuality in general. Like straight characters can hold hands, send love letters, and do all the corny **** guys usually do to try to impress a girl for our comedic benefit.

But make em gay, naw, everyone is already talking about blowjobs and buttsex. Like wtf.

Honestly to me that's why everyone treated the April and Don thing like that. It's a kids cartoon. Its not gonna go into sexuality. The most they ever did was an occasional kiss and all the hugging. But everyone was like ewwwwww cause their first thought was how Donnie and April gonna **** or if they were compatible to ****.....in a kids cartoon that will never deal with sex anyway.

[Sumac]

In Sailor Moon, Usagi basically has a crush on all her friends (it's made obvious the first time she sees Rei and Minako and Makoto), even if she's portrayed as straight for most of the series. In the final season she has a crush on the main male Sailor Star character too who can transform into a woman.
Your Yuri goggles are tight.
You have my approval! :ohwell:

Obviously Uranus/Neptune are lesbians, but there's also lesbian innuendo between Chibiusa and Sailor Saturn that goes on through the series. Uranus also flirts with Usagi in the series and in Crystal they have an on-screen kiss that was cut from the original.

Besides that, the Sailor Stars transform from men to women when they fight, essentially making them transgender. And in the first season Zoisite or whatever his name was and one of the other male villains are gay lovers.
One bisexual character, one Lesbian couple, one Gay couple and one crossdresser (+ magically sex-changing characters who never bring it up, AFAIR) are not "everyone being Gay".

For puritanical West at the time it was "too much", but one Gay couple per seasons (even two) are not that much.

[ssjup81]

Sailor Moon was way ahead of its time. For something that was written in the early 90's, it was full of lesbian relationships, gay characters, transgender characters, female empowerment, all the Sailor Scouts have little crushes on each other throughout the series even if they're all straight, etc. It's hard to believe Japanese kids all watched this between 1990-1995.Aside from Haruka and Michiru, what lesbian relationships were there and even with those two, it wasn't overt and pretty tame. There were no transgender characters I can think of offhand. Fisheye was a crossdresser. The Starlights...well, maybe they kind of fall under the "trans" banner...but then again, not really since the male bodies weren't their real ones and were disguises. This is an anime change I always wondered about. In the manga, the Starlights to hide their identities just cross dressed as guys. Why they had them as guys and going back and forth seemed like an odd change. IIRC, Takeuchi wasn't very happy about that change since she said herself, there will never be a male Sailor Soldier.I remember getting up at 4:00AM to watch Sailor Moon.It came on around that time here too. I caught an ep during spring break of my 8th or 9th grade year back in the mid 90s. I was actually sick, and my grandmother was staying over at my aunt's place, so I slept in her room. Her room had a TV. I couldn't sleep, so I turned on the TV and saw Sailor Moon. I liked it. I hadn't seen a show where girls were fighting off bad guys (in some way) since She-Ra. lol That's what drew me to it. I even remember the ep I saw. It was the one with Ryo (forgot his dub name) who had a crush on Ami who figured out she was Sailor Mercury. It was during the Rainbow Crystal arc and right before Makoto/Jupiter showed up, iirc. I watched it every morning, until it just stopped being shown randomly. It stopped sometime in R after ChibiUsa showed up. I actually didn't watch the series in full until about 2000, but it was subbed.

The only parts of the series I still have a semi-issue with is SuperS and Stars.
In Japan, apparently, ChibiUsa became very popular, hence why SuperS pretty much focused on her more than what was necessary and why the Outers were dropped and the other Inners weren't seen or focused on as much.

For Stars...I liked it (mostly for the music, honestly), but as a whole I still never fully understood the whole Galaxia and Chibi-Chibi stuff, and here being her lost Star Seed or something...meh. Stars in general is just confusing, and I felt the same way about this arc in the manga. I felt more sorry for Usagi in the manga during Stars though, given how the deaths were handled (it was all condensed in the anime), so she didn't have time to truly focus on it.Sailor Moon is 200 episodes and a few movies. I can watch that in about a months time.There were only surprisingly, three movies. With other series, they usually get a movie release every year that its anime is on.I don't know about that...
hp-LmGp4uA4Ooo, Route Venus from SMR! That was always a fun song. I also liked her character theme for Stars. Mars had really good, catchy themes too. I also tended to like Mercury's and Jupiter's. Some of Sailor Moon's I liked. I liked one of Chibi Moon's. Liked Uranus and Neptune's themes. Loved Holy Grail (Saturn/Hotaru's bgm). The show had some good music...but if you listen to some other Toei produced stuff (well with bgms mostly), it's obvious that they used the same musicians or something. It was super obvious with Digimon Adventure/Adventure 02. Even the Kaiser's character theme from 02 (Only One) kind of reminds me of Golden Queen Galaxia for some parts (certain notes) from Sailor Stars.In Sailor Moon, Usagi basically has a crush on all her friends (it's made obvious the first time she sees Rei and Minako and Makoto), even if she's portrayed as straight for most of the series. In the final season she has a crush on the main male Sailor Star character too who can transform into a woman.No, she doesn't. This shows how little you understand about Japanese culture. She was showing admiration towards Rei for being a priestess, Makoto for being strong and able to beat up bullies while also being able to cook good meals, and Ami for being intelligent and graceful. Usagi never really had a thing for Seiya...it was the other way around. Usagi was much too loyal to Mamoru for that and was actually depressed during Stars because she didn't hear from him after he went abroad to study in the US.Obviously Uranus/Neptune are lesbians, but there's also lesbian innuendo between Chibiusa and Sailor Saturn that goes on through the series. Uranus also flirts with Usagi in the series and in Crystal they have an on-screen kiss that was cut from the original.Same situation, ChibiUsa and Hotaru were good friends. There were no lesbian undertones that you're making up. In Japan, female friends and male friends tend to be closer and more willing to show affection or hold hands and hug and junk like that, but no one would think anything of it. While I was living there, I saw this all the time with kids. When I worked at the junior high school, I saw this too. The girls would hug on one another, walk around with linked arms playfully and stuff like that. High school as well. No one thinks anything of it because it's so normal amongst friends. What you won't see are boys and girls carrying on in that way because people might get the impression that they're a couple.

Also, Haruka is a lesbian, Usagi isn't.And in the first season Zoisite or whatever his name was and one of the other male villains are gay lovers.Kunzite and Zoisite's relationship is actually confusing and an odd change from the manga. They weren't lovers for that. It was more like a mentor and mentee relationship or like a teacher and his student. The Shittenou were romantically linked with each of the inner soldiers. If I'm not mistaken, the reason for this change in the original anime was because of some reference to an older manga work that probably actual Japanese audiences would pick up on. It's like Pokemon and the earlier episodes referencing Japanese stuff all the time, including some of the crossdressing stuff Kojirou used to do as well as Musashi.

[Sumac]

Also, Haruka is a lesbian, Usagi isn't.
In the OG anime Usagi seems at least bisexual as she has no issues with Haruka flirting with her (in the manga and new anime, Haruka even kisses her) and she has crush on Seia, though whether it is Homo or Het depends on how you see Starlights.

[ssjup81]

In the OG anime Usagi seems at least bisexual as she has no issues with Haruka flirting with her (in the manga and new anime, Haruka even kisses her) and she has crush on Seia, though whether it is Homo or Het depends on how you see Starlights.Seeing as how they were posing as guys and Usagi (as well as Minako) tend to fawn over guys in general, I'm going to go out on a limb and go with her being attracted to him, even though she never seemed fully interested in Seiya to me. I know I personally preferred Seiya x Usagi to Mamoru x Usagi, because it wasn't as boring as those two. lol Up to a point, Usagi and the others don't know that Seiya and the others are the Starlights.

[CyberCubed]

Toei granted added a lot of blushing scenes between the Sailor Scouts that weren't in the manga, but it did seem like Usagi had a crush on every single one of her friends at some point. Also remember that one episode Sailor Jupiter got a crush on Uranus? It only lasted one episode, but she knew she was female at that point and still had a crush for the whole ep.

[Sumac]

Seeing as how they were posing as guys and Usagi (as well as Minako) tend to fawn over guys in general, I'm going to go out on a limb and go with her being attracted to him, even though she never seemed fully interested in Seiya to me. I know I personally preferred Seiya x Usagi to Mamoru x Usagi, because it wasn't as boring as those two. lol Up to a point, Usagi and the others don't know that Seiya and the others are the Starlights.
I won't exclude possibility of her crushing on Seiya anyway, even when she already knew she was a girl, but that's pretty much a conjecture, based on various indirect evidence. So I leave it at that.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I'm always surprised how popular anime is in all the spanish countries. Hispanics are obsessed with anime, even more than in America.

I know Starzinger was a big hit in Sweden during the 1980's, accessable only through videotape and not television, but it was rarely referred to as anime at the time. By 1992–1993, Swedish video game magazine Nintendomagasinet began publishing Japanese Mario and Zelda comics.

Major awareness and popularity of anime and manga in Sweden began in 1994–1995 when Swedish video game magazine Super Power (later Super Play) began publishing articles about it.

[Coola Yagami]

Toei granted added a lot of blushing scenes between the Sailor Scouts that weren't in the manga, but it did seem like Usagi had a crush on every single one of her friends at some point. Also remember that one episode Sailor Jupiter got a crush on Uranus? It only lasted one episode, but she knew she was female at that point and still had a crush for the whole ep.

Oh Cybercubed and your fantasies.

I don't remember Usagi having a crush on any of the girls, except feeling uncomfortable around Haruka's teasing (though she did have a crush on her the first time they met but it wasn't revealed Haruka was female until the episode was over).

There was an episode where Makoto did admire Haruka and wanted to be a bad-ass like her, but it was revealed near the end of the episode. Most of the episode had the typical misunderstanding where the rest of the crew legit thought she was into her-into her.

Usagi had a crush on Seiya, well.... all of them did had a crush on all of them since they were introduced as the latest boy band all the girls wanted, but Usagi was the only one to have the awkward crush towards Seiya even AFTER everyone else found out they were the Star Lights.

To me the part I'll always remember about the Star Lights was in their big episode where the Senshi eventually discover that they were Sailors, there was hardly a reaction to their gender change. Like yeah, they were surprised that the boy band was a trio of Sailors, but their surprise was nothing larger than when they found out that Haruka and Michiru were also Sailors.

Like I'd be expecting a much larger reaction out of finding out that Bruce Wayne was Catwoman all along rather than just discovering he was Batman. Both are surprises but one should be way bigger than the other.

EDIT- oh another thing, blushing is common in shows like these, especially with such large slice of life segments. All of the OG 5 were losers in some way or the other, they really had no one but each other. A lot of the blushing comes from say, someone complimenting Makoto's cooking, or someone giving a thumbs up whenever Ami's smarts come in handy. They blush cause they're not used to such praise. This was still early 90's but those 5 are the equivalent of 5 modern day awkward girls with horrible people skills unless when they're hanging together.

[The Great Saiyaman]

It's true of western cartoons too. In Batman, Robin starts off as a kid in most versions yet somehow he's fighting adults and solving crimes and zipping across rooftops.

Which reminds me, I never liked that cartoon continuity where Robin quits on account of Batman and Batgirl having an affair behind his back.

Because the reason why he dropped the Robin mantle in the comics is far more recognizable. And it comes from the "The Judas contract" storyline from the original eighties New Teen Titans comic book series.

In this story, Dick Grayson has been leading the Teen Titans in New York city as Robin for a long time and is spending more time doing so than to fight crime at Batman's side in Gotham city. And every time he gets called back to Gotham he goes back to being that little sidekick.
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So seeing as how he's coming into his own as a super hero rather than being Batman's sidekick, Grayson takes a monumental decision.
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But his call to arms isn't all that long after he decides to give up the role of Robin and having Jason Todd replace him at Batman's side.

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THAT'S the true reason why Dick Grayson stopped being Robin, he outgrew the role, became of age.

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Dick Grayson as Nightwing, not that hard to see why his outfit was later changed to be more badass, since the original design is really camp.

[Sumac]

Which reminds me, I never liked that cartoon continuity where Robin quits on account of Batman and Batgirl having an affair behind his back.
Bruce Timm who was the responsible for DC Animated Universe, apparently has some sort of fetish for Bruce Wayne ****ing Barbara Gordon. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

Bruce Timm who was the responsible for DC Animated Universe, apparently has some sort of fetish for Bruce Wayne ****ing Barbara Gordon. :lol:

Ya got that right. The ONLY reason those two knocked boots in the animated version of The Killing Joke was because Bruce Timm was involved.

"Hmmm so far the adaptation is coming along alright but it looks like it's going to be too short."

"Don't worry, just add a scene of Barbara riding Batman bareback."

"..........wut?"

[sdp]

Y
"Don't worry, just add a scene of Barbara riding Batman bareback."


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Babs/Bruce still canon in 3 different continuities at least

[neatoman]

Which reminds me, I never liked that cartoon continuity where Robin quits on account of Batman and Batgirl having an affair behind his back.

Because the reason why he dropped the Robin mantle in the comics is far more recognizable. And it comes from the "The Judas contract" storyline from the original eighties New Teen Titans comic book series.

In this story, Dick Grayson has been leading the Teen Titans in New York city as Robin for a long time and is spending more time doing so than to fight crime at Batman's side in Gotham city. And every time he gets called back to Gotham he goes back to being that little sidekick.
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So seeing as how he's coming into his own as a super hero rather than being Batman's sidekick, Grayson takes a monumental decision.
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/1483939172498549140.jpg
But his call to arms isn't all that long after he decides to give up the role of Robin and having Jason Todd replace him at Batman's side.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElhyKt7X0AAFWef.jpg

THAT'S the true reason why Dick Grayson stopped being Robin, he outgrew the role, became of age.

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2017/02/nightwing.jpg
Dick Grayson as Nightwing, not that hard to see why his outfit was later changed to be more badass, since the original design is really camp.

This is kind of the thing about streamlined adaptations, some things will have to be changed if you want to keep it as simple as possible. In the cartoon he's Robin until episode 85 and then we get a time skip where he's suddenly Nightwing. If they kept the explaination from Teen Titans, it would have come across like this:

"Oh, I spent some time leading a superhero team you never met before, going through conflicts totally unrelated to anything we were dealing with and after all that I realised I wasn't your sidekick anymore."

It would have been weird. If the Titans had been previously established characters in the series it might have worked but they never showed up. The only other option would have been to dedicate a story arc to him outgrowing the role of Robin but they only really had 24 episodes left and dedicating a good chunk of them to develop Robin into Nightwing would have been an odd choice. A falling out might not be the most elegant option but it is the option that makes sense given what they were doing.

[ZariusTwo]

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Babs/Bruce still canon in 3 different continuities at least

And it's gross in every one of them.

[ssjup81]

Oh Cybercubed and your fantasies.

I don't remember Usagi having a crush on any of the girls, except feeling uncomfortable around Haruka's teasing (though she did have a crush on her the first time they met but it wasn't revealed Haruka was female until the episode was over).

There was an episode where Makoto did admire Haruka and wanted to be a bad-ass like her, but it was revealed near the end of the episode. Most of the episode had the typical misunderstanding where the rest of the crew legit thought she was into her-into her.

Usagi had a crush on Seiya, well.... all of them did had a crush on all of them since they were introduced as the latest boy band all the girls wanted, but Usagi was the only one to have the awkward crush towards Seiya even AFTER everyone else found out they were the Star Lights.

To me the part I'll always remember about the Star Lights was in their big episode where the Senshi eventually discover that they were Sailors, there was hardly a reaction to their gender change. Like yeah, they were surprised that the boy band was a trio of Sailors, but their surprise was nothing larger than when they found out that Haruka and Michiru were also Sailors.

Like I'd be expecting a much larger reaction out of finding out that Bruce Wayne was Catwoman all along rather than just discovering he was Batman. Both are surprises but one should be way bigger than the other.

EDIT- oh another thing, blushing is common in shows like these, especially with such large slice of life segments. All of the OG 5 were losers in some way or the other, they really had no one but each other. A lot of the blushing comes from say, someone complimenting Makoto's cooking, or someone giving a thumbs up whenever Ami's smarts come in handy. They blush cause they're not used to such praise. This was still early 90's but those 5 are the equivalent of 5 modern day awkward girls with horrible people skills unless when they're hanging together.I agree with all of this here. Blushing can convey admiration and embarrassment and is used a lot in shows like this. The thing you said about the compliment thing, though, is probably more cultural than anything. Usually when someone is given a compliment, the person will always be quick to dismiss or deny the compliment ("Iya...chigaimasu..."). I saw it all the time while living in Japan when people were complimented over something. Being humble is viewed favorably culture wise, so seeing people blushing from a compliment is a good reflection of how those of the culture would generally react if complimented, just in this type of medium, they use blushing. It also shows how shy a character is too.

The only thing I disagree with is what you were saying about the five girls being awkward. Minako, Rei, and Usagi really weren't. Ami and Makoto, yes. Ami because she was a bookworm and studied a lot while also keeping to herself before meeting up with Usagi, and Makoto because she was used of always being alone, especially since her parents were dead and she had that sukeban-type reputation (hence her school outfit and the long skirt associated with deliquent girls as well as her hair). The other three had their own set of friends. Rei was popular in that private school she attended and was also respected by her peers. She was also admired for her grace and beauty. Minako was well-known in her school and known for being sporty (Volleyball) and she had two best friends she would hang around with (one kind of resembled Ami in some ways). Usagi was friendly, but like Minako, was a bad and lazy student, but even she had a group of girls she hung around with in school (with Naru being her best friend). The problem with both the manga and the anime is that it was never really shown for Rei and Minako (anime) and for Usagi, her friends were fazed out (anime and manga), which did bother me. I could see fazing out the other girls, but Naru was her best friend. It's like the girls had no lives or friends outside of one another.

[Sumac]

I feel like friends were cut, because, manga was overloaded with Sailor Scout characters.

[sdp]

And it's gross in every one of them.

They're not related, she's over 18. I mean it's definitely wrong, that's why it's appealing.

[Coola Yagami]

They're not related, she's over 18. I mean it's definitely wrong, that's why it's appealing.

Which is exactly what Bruce Timm tells himself every time he pulls out the ol tissues and lotion.

"Yeah... Give it to her Bruce Ti... Wayne... Yeah, make that redhead ride dat batcock!"

[CyberCubed]

It's wrong because Bruce is double her age most of the time. 35 year old Bruce dating an 18-20 year old? Sure it's "legal," but the age gap is too big for my tastes.

Most people still act like kids at that age and Bruce is pushing 40.

[Sumac]

Bruce also happens to be her mentor and father-figure. Also, father-figure of her "brothers". And she had relationship with one of them.

[ssjup81]

I don't like the Bruce x Barbara thing either. Just feels wrong to me.I feel like friends were cut, because, manga was overloaded with Sailor Scout characters.Another reason was probably because of Takeuchi's hectic publishing schedule. Sailor V was even put on hold, despite being the shorter series. Takeuchi was rushed to churn out chapters for Sailor Moon's manga and cutting out those extra characters probably made it slightly easier to do so. Since the characters weren't featured in the manga much after a certain point, there was no need to have them in the show.

[sdp]

You guys are just re-stating why it's wrong, it's an interesting story twist that they had a thing for a bit. Entirely morally wrong, but it happened and there are consequences to it.

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Let's not forget when dick kept on stringing barbara along when he was serious with starfire

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poor babs, she can't catch a break, She's clearly emotionally unstable with daddy issues. isn't she dating Jason todd now, or tried to?