Demi Lovato comes out as “non-binary”, changes their pronouns

[1987]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/entertainment/demi-lovato-nonbinary-intl-scli/index.html

we have reached peak clown world. imagine this whole time thinking Demi Lovato was female, only to find out “they” were “non-binary” this whole time...

i swear, there’s too much virtue signaling these days, the radical liberal left is the cancer of America, destroying humanity, erasing women’s history. this insanity needs to stop already!

i know “they” are probably just doing this for attention, but it encourages like minded clowns and sends the wrong message. i find it very hateful and bigoted for celebs to force their political views on tax paying citizens. fu*k all those privileged fascist elite celebrity scumbags.

[Sumac]

Someone wants money through the pity pats.

[FrederikWolferson]

Almost like this is an attention grab.

[CyberCubed]

To this day I have no idea what any of this stuff means.

[ZariusTwo]

Good for HER.

[Sumac]

To this day I have no idea what any of this stuff means.
Attention seeking by pretending that they don't embrace stereotypes.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Nothing better can be expected from someone in the corrupt Hollywood and music industry.

[Vegita-San]

Almost like this is an attention grab.

honestly, ever since the 'brave and stunning' break through's of earlier years, that's what it feels like these days. I keep thinking about the scene in the simpsons where the gay pride parade is going on and lisa is so used to it she's like 'we know, you do it every year'.... and bart has a 'go yanez' or something on his flag.

[frank_one]

Imagine the confusion of an English grammar student these days. I'm glad I've learned English in less complicated times.

[Andrew NDB]

She had her big heroin OD like a year ago, almost died and it has been nothing but horrible political rhetoric and bizarre behavior from her. She is completely empty headed and only interested in maximum attention.

[sdp]

Can you blame her? it's a strategy that works. People who "support equal rights" will praise it and give her attention. People who "hate equal rights" will criticize it and give her attention. Either way of the outrage scale she wins, controversy creates cash, this thread is an example of how her strategy worked, why else would there be a Demi Lovato thread on the technodrome?

Also, Prince did it first:
https://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2016/04/prince_love-symbol_mitch-monson_dezeen.jpg

[IndigoErth]

Oh, okay. Why do people even indulge in outrage over celebrities anymore. (Or use it to start political outrage since that seems to be the actual goal of some people.) If someone did something criminal, then sure, there's reason to care at least as far as wanting them held accountable, but otherwise... I grew bored of celebrities and their BS long ago.

Really couldn't care what [she or insert other term] does. Not like I ever have to interact with her/them and be one of those people jumping through hoops to try not to offend. Meh.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, okay. Why do people even indulge in outrage over celebrities anymore.

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Outrage? With someone like Lovato it is much more pointing a finger at her and everyone of sound mind going, "hahahahahah!!!"

[Sumac]

Indeed, it is not an outrage, but more like a puzzlement: why is she doing it?
Attention seeking or genuine insanity?

And to be honest Hollywood actors like politicians - whatever they say, should not be trusted.

[Coola Yagami]

My gawd, what the **** is Leo666 doing to these women? I mean first he had that little encounter with Ellen Page, and now Demi Lovato. No wonder Teela is going a similar route.

Was it YOUR fault Lola's boobs got smaller???? It's a conspiracy I tells ya.

[joe-eyeball]

“Outrage” is such an overused term nowadays. This isn’t outrage as much as it is people just getting tired of celebrities doing this crap and the media enabling attention seekers that clearly need professional help more than public attention. I mean she has I believe one or two pre-existing diagnosed mental conditions and she is an addict but we are all supposed to accept her new identity as normal? No thanks!

[Leo656]

She's just trying to deflect any criticism from all the stuff she revealed in her "tell-all" documentary which proves what an idiot she is.

E.g.: "I OD'ed on heroin and got raped before almost dying. After I got out of recovery after almost dying, I immediately hooked up with the guy who raped me, so I could f*ck him for more heroin. I'm not a moron, though, I'm totally a victim."

See, a Sane and Rational person would look at ANY of these decisions - from smoking crack and doing heroin in the FIRST place, to hooking up with the guy who raped them, to going back to heroin immediately after almost dying from it and suffering permanent brain damage, etc. etc. - and say, "WOW, this person is like a Zen Master-level moron!" That is the CORRECT response to these revelations.

But Demi Lovato wants - nay, needs - to be portrayed as the victim in all of this, not as some idiot who habitually makes terrible choices. So if you notice, ever since she made these revelations, she's concurrently been making a big huge deal about her sexuality; first that she was bisexual (but more into women), and now that she's "non-binary". Every time she says something stupid and people start to criticize her, she immediately reveals something new about her sexuality. She knows that right now, if a person makes those kinds of things the focus of the conversation about themselves, it trumps all else. People can't call her an idiot drug addict if they're too busy lauding her for being "stunning and brave".

It's all just deflection and it's all very calculated.

I don't care about her sexuality, frankly. I care that she went right back to doing smack the second she got out of the hospital after almost dying. F*ck Demi Lovato, she's a moron, and that's the ONLY thing anyone should care about.

Like I'm definitely not rooting for her to die or anything, but based on her track record and the way she keeps lying and deflecting and whatnot, it's only a matter of time until she Winehouses herself. This other stuff is just a distraction, a way to trick people into supporting and defending her when she absolutely doesn't deserve it.

[Prowler]

The entertainment industry sure seems filled with drug addicts and alcoholics.

Surprised Demi Lovato is into heroin instead of cocaine, though. Coke is more up a rich person's alley. And musicians doing heroin stopped being the cool thing to do sometime ago.

I can understand why people get into alcohol or even some drugs, but heroin?! By now everyone knows it's insanely addictive and destructive. Are people seriously naive enough they won't get addicted from just trying it a few times?

[Leo656]

She says that she used to mostly be into coke and Quaaludes - the downers would help her settle down after a coke binge - but that she was at a party and was "bored" with the other stuff so she started smoking crack and doing meth "just for funsies" and since her dealer didn't have any Quaaludes she just did heroin since that was "good enough".

I grew up around this sh*t, so I have no sympathy for any of these people. EVERY junkie and every crackhead swears that Every Single Other One was just a dummy who "couldn't handle it." "Not ME, though, I'm gonna be a SMART crackhead/junkie. I'm gonna be the First One In History to smoke crack or do heroin and not ruin their entire life." :roll: And lo and behold, they all end up the exact same way, inevitably.

There's even liberal college professors who are arguing right now for heroin to be decriminalized, claiming that it can be a "necessary life tool" and that there's a level of heroin use that can be considered "responsible". It's disgusting.

Free Dirty Needles, man. If these idiots are so hellbent on dying, let's speed it the f*ck along.

[Coola Yagami]

She's just trying to deflect any criticism from all the stuff she revealed in her "tell-all" documentary which proves what an idiot she is.

E.g.: "I OD'ed on heroin and got raped before almost dying. After I got out of recovery after almost dying, I immediately hooked up with the guy who raped me, so I could f*ck him for more heroin. I'm not a moron, though, I'm totally a victim."

See, a Sane and Rational person would look at ANY of these decisions - from smoking crack and doing heroin in the FIRST place, to hooking up with the guy who raped them, to going back to heroin immediately after almost dying from it and suffering permanent brain damage, etc. etc. - and say, "WOW, this person is like a Zen Master-level moron!" That is the CORRECT response to these revelations.

But Demi Lovato wants - nay, needs - to be portrayed as the victim in all of this, not as some idiot who habitually makes terrible choices. So if you notice, ever since she made these revelations, she's concurrently been making a big huge deal about her sexuality; first that she was bisexual (but more into women), and now that she's "non-binary". Every time she says something stupid and people start to criticize her, she immediately reveals something new about her sexuality. She knows that right now, if a person makes those kinds of things the focus of the conversation about themselves, it trumps all else. People can't call her an idiot drug addict if they're too busy lauding her for being "stunning and brave".

It's all just deflection and it's all very calculated.

I don't care about her sexuality, frankly. I care that she went right back to doing smack the second she got out of the hospital after almost dying. F*ck Demi Lovato, she's a moron, and that's the ONLY thing anyone should care about.

Like I'm definitely not rooting for her to die or anything, but based on her track record and the way she keeps lying and deflecting and whatnot, it's only a matter of time until she Winehouses herself. This other stuff is just a distraction, a way to trick people into supporting and defending her when she absolutely doesn't deserve it.

We seriously have to stop with this 'omg so stunning and brave' and 'we forgive/forget all the stupid **** you've ever done' just because they come out as (insert whatever here).

[IMJ]

We seriously have to stop with this 'omg so stunning and brave' and 'we forgive/forget all the stupid **** you've ever done' just because they come out as (insert whatever here).

Cowards are doing that because of fear of the woke mob. I think that everyone should try not to lose sight of the fact that none of this nonsense affects you personally.... until it does.

My point?

Let Demi Lovato do whatever nonsense she wants, live how she wants, broadcast whatever BS she wants. It's cool. The real issue is that I don't need people imposing their will on me and then trying to cancel me when I'm either apathetic to your nonsense or I simply can't keep up because I'm living my own life.

Do not. Try to hem me up. When I don't give a $#!(. About your verbage or fn pronouns, or even whether or not I recognize your sexual movement one way or the other. That's the real problem. I'm living my own life, you are welcome to yours but do not make demands of me, or threaten the way I live when I don't care to conform to your BS in these gender issues.

[Coola Yagami]

Cowards are doing that because of fear of the woke mob. I think that everyone should try not to lose sight of the fact that none of this nonsense affects you personally.... until it does.

My point?

Let Demi Lovato do whatever nonsense she wants, live how she wants, broadcast whatever BS she wants. It's cool. The real issue is that I don't need people imposing their will on me and then trying to cancel me when I'm either apathetic to your nonsense or I simply can't keep up because I'm living my own life.

Do not. Try to hem me up. When I don't give a $#!(. About your verbage or fn pronouns, or even whether or not I recognize your sexual movement one way or the other. That's the real problem. I'm living my own life, you are welcome to yours but do not make demands of me, or threaten the way I live when I don't care to conform to your BS in these gender issues.

I agree. The moment Ellen Page switched genders, the Holier Than Thou Brigade came down hard on anyone who dared misgender her.



I had a similar experience when following the nonbinary person who played Ted's daughter in Bill and Ted 3. In one of their pics they were at the beach with a swimsuit, leaving nothing to the imagination but with a very noticeable bulge downstairs. I was always under the impression they were born female, regardless of pronouns, so I asked and took some heat from it.

Luckily one fellow fan was nice enough to tell me they were born female but are non-binary now and the pic is just them messing around, just something in their swimsuit to provoke a reaction. I thanked the person for politely answering my question and not jumping all over my **** for asking a simple question, like I meant no disrespect, I respect their pronouns, I was just curious what they were born as cause that pic confused me.

In case you're curious, Brigette themself never responded to me directly, but the Pronoun Defender Squad were quick to jump on my ****. Like I said, luckily a fellow fan was nice enough to just answer my question.

[1987]

Oh, okay. Why do people even indulge in outrage over celebrities anymore. (Or use it to start political outrage since that seems to be the actual goal of some people.) If someone did something criminal, then sure, there's reason to care at least as far as wanting them held accountable, but otherwise... I grew bored of celebrities and their BS long ago.

Really couldn't care what [she or insert other term] does. Not like I ever have to interact with her/them and be one of those people jumping through hoops to try not to offend. Meh.

don’t care about their political stance or pronouns preference.

the issue here is that these big time celebrities have a platform like twitter, fb etc to broadcast their political beliefs to millions of fans and followers, who will worship their every word. alot of younger people growing up influenced and indoctrinated by social media. then of course you have news outlets like cnn writing up a whole article about demi lovato identifying as “non-binary”, they are so virtuous! sees like they’re trying to abolish the nuclear family by promoting so much lgbtq propaganda.

“we are woke celebrities, we want you to wear a mask, take a kneel for blm, stop asian hate, get vaxxed, respect their pronouns, if you disagree with us you are racist, fascist, bigoted, science denying klansmen insurrectionists!”

seriously all this virtue signaling is destroying America, things like this can only lead to communism. that’s really what the elite left wants and influences their followers, otherwise they’d be protesting the communism and genocide happening now in china.

[Leo656]

I agree. The moment Ellen Page switched genders, the Holier Than Thou Brigade came down hard on anyone who dared misgender her.



I had a similar experience when following the nonbinary person who played Ted's daughter in Bill and Ted 3. In one of their pics they were at the beach with a swimsuit, leaving nothing to the imagination but with a very noticeable bulge downstairs. I was always under the impression they were born female, regardless of pronouns, so I asked and took some heat from it.

Luckily one fellow fan was nice enough to tell me they were born female but are non-binary now and the pic is just them messing around, just something in their swimsuit to provoke a reaction. I thanked the person for politely answering my question and not jumping all over my **** for asking a simple question, like I meant no disrespect, I respect their pronouns, I was just curious what they were born as cause that pic confused me.

In case you're curious, Brigette themself never responded to me directly, but the Pronoun Defender Squad were quick to jump on my ****. Like I said, luckily a fellow fan was nice enough to just answer my question.


Oh, yeah, you're not even supposed to care about that stuff, but that's just human nature.

Like call me old-fashioned, but just for the sake of argument for example, if I take it upon myself to jerk off to a picture of someone, I very much want to know if that person has (or has ever had) a f*cking penis. Call me a bigot if you must, but I'm just being honest. I think MOST people still feel the same way even if they're very careful not to say so out loud.

Definitely glad I'm not in the dating scene nowadays. Don't know WHAT you're getting into, and if you so much as ask you're a terrible person. "Why should you CARE if I was always a chick or not?"

No f*cking thanks.

[Coola Yagami]

Definitely glad I'm not in the dating scene nowadays. Don't know WHAT you're getting into, and if you so much as ask you're a terrible person. "Why should you CARE if I was always a chick or not?"

No f*cking thanks.

That's the scary part. While I do know a few transfolk and they are ALWAYS upfront before things get heated, I've seen the usual Twitter weirdos and wackos actually want it to get to that point. Where you're expected to just 'roll with it' and 'how dare you care if she was a dude once'. Um... no.

[IMJ]

The simple fact is that quite a bit of this is borderline insanity, and demanding that the world keep up with someone's "Pronouns" and begin referring to a singular person as "they", etc is beyond ridiculous at a level that can't be described.

I can respect someone's gender identity as a person. Anything else is making demands of me that you'll be walking a line where any respect I had for whatever you were doing in life is out the window. The mental illness might not be the gender dysphoria, but it's definitely mental illness thinking the entire world needs to conform to your personal demands.

[AquaParade]

As usual, I'm of two minds about it.

First, if her voicing this on her large platform helps someone out there who feels confused about their gender, that's great. And that might be happening. It might comfort someone to know that someone they look up to feels the same way they do.

On the other hand, she doesn't seem like a good role model. The fact that she just od'd in front of the whole world just recently, almost makes these "virtuous" stands look bad by association. I wouldn't want this person as the spokesperson for me, that's for sure.
There's also the fact that it's very hard not to assume she is just attention-starved. Celebrity life must do a number on you. After embarrassing herself with the overdose, she should probably just hang back, be quiet, and try to absorb a thing or two before speaking out.

It's unfortunate, but there are going to be a lot of people, especially celebrities, who are going to "come out" in one way or another, simply because it is the cool, edgy thing to do right now. Of course, that doesn't mean there isn't a genuine movement happening, but celebrities are going to bandwagon the crap out of it and make it all about themselves, forrrrr sure.

[joe-eyeball]

My point?

Let Demi Lovato do whatever nonsense she wants, live how she wants, broadcast whatever BS she wants. It's cool. The real issue is that I don't need people imposing their will on me and then trying to cancel me when I'm either apathetic to your nonsense or I simply can't keep up because I'm living my own life.

Do not. Try to hem me up. When I don't give a $#!(. About your verbage or fn pronouns, or even whether or not I recognize your sexual movement one way or the other. That's the real problem. I'm living my own life, you are welcome to yours but do not make demands of me, or threaten the way I live when I don't care to conform to your BS in these gender issues.


Exactly! I’ve been saying this to people for quite a while. I basically look at this way. If you want be pansexual, asexual, or whatever-sexual, cool. If you want raise your son to play with Barbie, fine. If you want to filet your penis and turn it inside out and call it a vagina then go right ahead. But I’m allowed to think it’s all weird. I won’t troll theses people, or bully them, or attack them in any way. You do you but leave me out of it. I simply don’t have the time, energy, or desire to place one minute of my focus on your personal life choices no matter how controversial they may be. It’s incredibly naive for people to think society will shrug all this off as no big deal and move on as if it’s all perfectly normal. Most people don’t operate that way and it’s not likely to change any time soon. Do what you like, but pardon me if I don’t give damn, and feel free to feel the same way about me! Deal?

[Andrew NDB]

Do what you like, but pardon me if I don’t give damn, and feel free to feel the same way about me! Deal?

Most on the radical left: "NO! No deal! You're just going to raise your children up to be transphobes if you're left alone so we need to get in front of that bus now!"

It really comes down to "the next generation." By the same token they want tons of illegal immigrants (hint #1: their kids, hint #2: elections). It isn't about THIS generation, they've already written us off as old "non-progressive" codgers... they want to dust the mat off for a fresh-faced generation of people who think like only they do.

And "progressivism." It's like the Civil Rights Movement. They won, a long time ago. They succeeded. They straightened out what needed to be straightened out with women's rights and black rights and all of that... they accomplished solutions and ironed out all of these very real problems many, many years ago. It was over with. But these people are never satisfied and still need a movement to cling to (and also factor in new generations of youths coming up in a world with no real problems left, but sorely looking for a cause to fight for). The train can't stop. So they just keep digging and digging and now we're in 2021 with us seriously having to explain why drag queens reading books to our elementary school children is insane, as if that's the new segregation or something.

[neatoman]

To be honest, this thread is the first time I have ever heard of Demi Lovato and this news doesn't even remotely make me more interested in knowing more about this person.

[Hamato Yoshi]

Entertainers are just (over) paid court jesters , nothing more

[ABrown]

(goes to the 0:15 mark)

"people assigned female at birth"

You mean, FEMALES?!?


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[Leo656]

Yeah, I can't get over this stuff.

I was news-scrolling the other day and I passed a headline that said "We Need To Accept That Women Are Not The Only Ones Who Can Get Pregnant" or some sh*t to that effect and I just about rage quit the internet.

I am sincerely glad that I'm neither in the dating scene nor raising a child in the Right Now Times.

[Andrew NDB]

And look, she comes out as "non-binary," and within a week or so, she's getting invited to speak at, like, everything. I'm literally tripping over news blips in my FB or Instagram feed with "Demi Lovato appearing at ____!" and "Demi Lovato appearing at _____!" or the little animated ads on news sites. Yes, we should all listen to her very important voice!

[frank_one]

Yes, we should all listen to her very important voice!It's THEIR important voice now.

[Leo656]

Meanwhile literally days before that, people were mad at her for things like 1. Still drinking and doing drugs while in "recovery" after nearly f*cking dying, which sends an absolutely horrible message to the young girls who make up most of her audience, 2. F*cking the guy who raped her after he f*cking raped her, which ALSO sends a f*cking terrible message, or 3. Getting angry at a Frozen Yogurt place for being "insensitive" towards her eating disorder (ignoring the fact that MOST people don't find Fat-Free Yogurt in ANY way "triggering").

BUT NOW!!!

Cuts her hair short, shouts "Check Me Out! I EAT PUSSY!" and now everybody loves her again, completely ignoring the much larger issue which is the girl is a goddamn Retardicon.

She is a bad person who makes bad decisions. And now she's weaponizing her sexuality, brandishing it like a shield to make herself immune from any criticism or consequence as a result of those bad decisions.

It's all calculated PR and frankly it's disgusting.

NOT the fact that she's queer. I absolutely do not care about that in any negative way. Not only do I have no problem with gay people, I personally subscribe to the controversial "All Women Are At Least 10% Bi-Curious" Theory, so I expect it.

No, what disgusts me about her is that she's a liar, a hypocrite, a moron, a terrible role model, and a junkie, but we're supposed to ignore all that because now she suddenly won't stop talking about how much she loves beaver.

It's a stunt, and it's gross.

For the record, I absolutely have more gay friends than you think. And while none of them would claim to be any sort of "authority", it bears mentioning that a lot of them HATE people like her, because they see the same sh*t I do from her.

[Andrew NDB]

"Check Me Out! I EAT PUSSY!"

And is it even that at all? Isn't she just essentially saying, "I don't eat pu*** and probably won't... but I could! I totally could one day! You never know. I want the world to know!"

[Leo656]

I have seen her say in several places that she's into girls, and/or that she's more into girls than guys.

Granted, it's a bit of an assumption on my part. Perhaps she's only queer "in her mind" and not in practice. OR, perhaps she's "active" and would rather Receive than Perform. I don't actually know.

But I doubt it. As a straight guy, I've never had time for chicks who don't make with the BJ. And if I were a lesbian female, you better believe I'd have no time at all for any chick who didn't suck beaver. That sh*t's Mandatory.

So I'm inclined to think that if she isn't just totally lying about being gay, it's a pretty safe bet that she's picked a few oysters. And I don't think she's lying about being gay. Just using that information as a deflection. But I do believe her queerness is sincere.

[Sumac]

*facepalming at this clown world.

[Andrew NDB]

So they give her her own talk show, naturally.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/demi-lovato-tv-series-announcement-1190704/

I can't think of anyone less deserving of one than her.

[Coola Yagami]

Naturally. She is so stunning and brave, after all.

[Sumac]

Someone should call her "it", just to see a reaction.

[Leo656]

I mean, to be fair she's gotta keep busy.

I don't know if she'll honestly ever tour again, because there's just too much temptation. Long time ago, the two sisters who were in The Breeders were a couple'a heroin addicts and they more or less retired from performing because after they got clean they relapsed immediately upon going back on the road. In separate interviews given years apart, they both independently swore "If you're trying to stay off heroin, you can't be on the road, because people are constantly giving you heroin."

I don't like Demi, but if she can't perform and wants to stay relevant (and keep getting paid), her options are limited. So this makes sense from that perspective.