Batgirl Movie HBO Max original

[Autbot_Benz]

Bad Boys for Life’ Filmmakers to Direct ‘Batgirl’ Movie for Warner Bros. (Exclusive)

The Batgirl movie project has found its director. Or, rather, in this case, its directors.

Adil El Arbi and Bilall Fallah, the duo behind the 2020 hit Bad Boys for Life, have closed a deal to steer Warner Bros.’s DC feature centering on Barbra Gordon, the daughter of Gotham City police commissioner James Gordon.

Christina Hodson, who wrote Bumblebee and is in the Warners fold with her screenwriting on Birds of Prey and The Flash, penned the script for what is being planned as a movie for HBO Max.

Kristin Burr, who is gearing up for the release of Cruella later this month, is producing.


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/bad-boys-for-life-filmmakers-to-direct-batgirl-movie-for-warner-bros-exclusive-1234950696/

[sdp]

I think we all want this adapted
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[Autbot_Benz]

I think we all want this adapted
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no no we don't

https://i.imgur.com/YPLbbCf.gif

[Autbot_Benz]

Some of the women who have tested for the role

https://i.imgur.com/zAVuDxA.jpg

Although test deals still are being locked up and some already have passed, the talent expected to test for the role includes Isabella Merced, Zoey Deutch and Leslie Grace. We also have heard Haley Lu Richardson’s name, but she might have bowed out before the test process.

https://deadline.com/2021/07/batgirl-haley-lu-richardson-isabella-merced-zoey-deutch-leslie-grace-actresses-testing-barbra-gordon-role-1234794632/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[MikeandRaph87]

Some of the women who have tested for the role

https://i.imgur.com/zAVuDxA.jpg



https://deadline.com/2021/07/batgirl-haley-lu-richardson-isabella-merced-zoey-deutch-leslie-grace-actresses-testing-barbra-gordon-role-1234794632/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

The second picture looks closest to Barbara Gordon so I will go with her.

So this really is happening but it is a streaming service exclusive?

[Coola Yagami]

Some of the women who have tested for the role

https://i.imgur.com/zAVuDxA.jpg



https://deadline.com/2021/07/batgirl-haley-lu-richardson-isabella-merced-zoey-deutch-leslie-grace-actresses-testing-barbra-gordon-role-1234794632/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Naw we can't have that. Scrap all of them and get a black woman, or maybe a Hispanic for the role. Are there any transwomen available?

[sdp]

they're all ugly, i'd rather take my chance with a black batgirl than any of those hags

[LeotheLateBloomer]

they're all ugly, i'd rather take my chance with a black batgirl than any of those hags

Go home, you're drunk!

[Andrew NDB]

I'm just wondering... is this supposed to be the daughter of the Jeffrey Wright Gordon? Or the J.K. Simmons Gordon? Or a third unknown Gordon?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Currently it's not known yet but my money is on either J.K. Simmons or a different continuity altogether. I can't see this being the daughter of Jeffrey Wright's Gordon and not for the reasons people may think depending on who gets casted as her.

[CyberCubed]

Even if Gordon is black he can still have a white daughter if his wife is white.

Batgirl should be white. I don't need to see a black or hispanic Barbara Gordon.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Currently it's not known yet but my money is on either J.K. Simmons or a different continuity altogether. I can't see this being the daughter of Jeffrey Wright's Gordon and not for the reason Cubed pointed out.

All of those actresses in the running look like they could make decent casting choices. Two of the actresses have done some good work.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://deadline.com/2021/07/batgirl-leslie-grace-lands-role-in-warner-bros-dc-film-1234797608/

After testing actresses this week, Warner Bros. And DC Films looks to have found their Batgirl. Sources tell Deadline Leslie Grace has been tapped to play Barbara Gordon in the studios’ Batgirl.

https://i.imgur.com/bMfQfvD.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Barbara Gordon is black?

"I'm out."

[Coola Yagami]

https://deadline.com/2021/07/batgirl-leslie-grace-lands-role-in-warner-bros-dc-film-1234797608/



https://i.imgur.com/bMfQfvD.jpg

Yep. Literally walk past the 4 or 5 white girls, see a black girl "STOP THE PRESSES!!! WE GOT OUR BATGIRL!!"

At some point someone has to complain. Like how many shows with race-swapped leads are we gonna get before people wake up and see there's an agenda going on?

[sdp]

Even if black on the outside, they're always pink on the inside.

[CyberCubed]

Also she’s not completely black, or is she?

[neatoman]

Also she’s not completely black, or is she?

Uh... Very few people from the Americas are, if that answers your question. Like, what's your threshold here? Genetic studies show that the average african-american has 73-82% african ancestry, would you consider them "completely black"?

[Coola Yagami]

Even if black on the outside, they're always pink on the inside.

Giggedy!!

Ten Characters

[Coola Yagami]

Uh... Very few people from the Americas are, if that answers your question. Like, what's your threshold here? Genetic studies show that the average african-american has 73-82% african ancestry, would you consider them "completely black"?

Pretty sure he's asking if she's mixed or not. Like if her daddy was white or whatever.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Also she’s not completely black, or is she?

She's Latin

[CyberCubed]

Besides the lighter skin her facial features look mixed.

[Leo656]

Totally called that sh*t. "Let's troll everybody by showing off all the white actresses we're auditioning to play this white redhead ginger character... then turn around and cast a non-white actress because she's simply objectively the best actor for the role, no agendas here, honest!'" Just like when they cast a black chick to play Death in the live-action Sandman show, despite the fact that Death is whiter than a sheet of f*cking toilet paper.

You can set your f*cking watch to these people nowadays. It's comical.

I'm done with new movies and TV shows until the Powers-That-Be decide to stop blatantly trolling the audience for teh lulz.

[CyberCubed]

It's kind of ironic in 10+ years time we'll look back on this era of movies/tv shows and wonder why so many established characters were played by black actors and all the other race changing.

[Coola Yagami]

Totally called that sh*t. "Let's troll everybody by showing off all the white actresses we're auditioning to play this white redhead ginger character... then turn around and cast a non-white actress because she's simply objectively the best actor for the role, no agendas here, honest!'" Just like when they cast a black chick to play Death in the live-action Sandman show, despite the fact that Death is whiter than a sheet of f*cking toilet paper.

You can set your f*cking watch to these people nowadays. It's comical.

I'm done with new movies and TV shows until the Powers-That-Be decide to stop blatantly trolling the audience for teh lulz.

I think they purposely did that to quiet down any claims that they didn't even bother to cast any white women and went straight to a Dominican Batgirl. Like they can say "That's not true, see? These white women also tried out for the role, it just do happened this Dominican actress was better than them! No agenda here! Honest!"

[AquaParade]

I'll wait to see how she performs before getting upset. If she is a good actress, I'm good with it.

[Leo656]

I think they purposely did that to quiet down any claims that they didn't even bother to cast any white women and went straight to a Dominican Batgirl. Like they can say "That's not true, see? These white women also tried out for the file, it just do happened this Dominican actress was better than them! No agenda here! Honest!"

That's literally exactly what I said. :lol: Which one of us is high right now?

I mean, I KNOW I am but I kinda think you are too :lol:

I'll wait to see how she performs before getting upset. If she is a good actress, I'm good with it.

She might be a good actress. Race-flipping is still pandering trash though regardless and nobody should do it.

Looking forward to seeing Henry Cavill play Black Panther in 2030. Since it totally doesn't matter.

[Coola Yagami]

I'll wait to see how she performs before getting upset. If she is a good actress, I'm good with it.

Doesn't ****ing matter. She's not Barbara Gordon.

Like, I'm half Dominican and I'd rather they just create cool Dominican characters than race-swap my redhead white girl Babs.

[sdp]

well if the new commissioner gordon is black it makes sense his daughter is black as well.

Doesn't ****ing matter. She's not Barbara Gordon.
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I hate race swapped characters but actors can definitely make up for it. I do prefer the actor to look somewhat like the character they're trying to portray but looking back even before the PC area it rarely happened even if the "race" was correct".

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[Coola Yagami]

well if the new commissioner gordon is black it makes sense his daughter is black as well.




I hate race swapped characters but actors can definitely make up for it. I do prefer the actor to look somewhat like the character they're trying to portray but looking back even before the PC area it rarely happened even if the "race" was correct".

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Still never liked that change. Even back then I was like '..... But Kingpin is white...? Wtf is this ********?'

[Leo656]

I mean, he did alright. I was mostly onboard with it just because at that specific time, their reasoning of "We just couldn't find a white actor who had the physically imposing look we needed for Kingpin" authentically made sense. Whereas nowadays when they say something like that it just comes off like lip service. But there really weren't any other "name" actors in Hollywood at that time who could have done the role so they actually were kind of stuck. He probably was the objectively best choice they had to work with. Usually when they say that, they're lying.

Like, him and Fishburne prove that it can still come off well, BUT 99.9% of the time they do this for Outrage Clicks and to get people talking. Cheap heat. And that's annoying.

[sdp]

I was pissed kingpin was black but then I realized he actually felt like the character physically wise and let it go. Hollywood just does what's in, before they used to cast white actors instead of minorities in roles. Jessica Alba was Sue Storm in the F4 movies and that was terribly miscast. terry fitzgerald in the spawn movie was made white so the movie wouldn't appear "too black".
But yeah, I was looking at previous casting choices and Hollywood has always been horrible at casting people who look like the characters with few exceptions. Race swapping is just the current version of that since it is what sells despite the whole "go woke go broke", it doesn't really seem true for the majority of cases, which is why companies do them, they don't actually care, they never have, they just follow what's popular.

[AquaParade]

Eh, it might be pandering, or she might have been the best one for the job. It’s also even possible that her skin color helped get her in the door, but she still outdid the competition. In which case, why be upset?

I’m not going to get up and arms every time a character is race-swapped, it’s ridiculous. If it gets in the way of the movie, and the actor isn’t good, then yeah, I’m going to call out the pandering. My concern is the movie being good. If they hired a good actor, I don’t care what color they are. If they hire a poor actor, then it may be an issue. Lots of these characters are white, so a couple race-swapped characters really isn’t a huge deal in the grand scheme of things. Plenty of them are still white. It’s chill.

The Black Panther comparison, I would say isn’t good. That character is known for being black. It’s in the roots of the character on more than one level. Story wise and in a meta sense. Batgirl isn’t defined by being white. She also wasn’t raised in a secret society of white people.

A more apt comparison would be Spawn. Turning Spawn white. And yeah, people would be pissed. Even though it has nothing to do with the character. But I can actually sort of understand that because there are, in fact, less popular black superheroes than white ones, so i could understand that situation a little more.

Yeah, pandering sucks, but I have to draw a line when it comes to when I decide I am simply being pandered to, when it’s a problem, and when it’s just a case of someone talented getting the job. It’s just not worth the ire until we can tell if it is a quality product.

[sdp]

batgirl is iconic because of her red hair though, it's very much a part of cher character since it's always been visible. That's why Blonde Batgirl in the live action movie sucked, that didn't feel like batgirl and she was alfred's relative, ugh. Bird's of Prey TV Show batgirl is the most accurate to date.

But yeah I'm over it, raging about it does nothing and as I mentioned they've always miscast so even before this trend the casting never looked like the characters, and I also agree a great actor can make you not care that the character was race swapped though I don't necessarily think it's the case now. Maybe one day they'll stop rehashing and remaking everything so they can create new properties with new characters who don't have any history so they can be whatever they want.

[AquaParade]

I think it’s Batwoman who has iconic red hair. It’s very striking. Barbara has been brunette.

[Sumac]

Why her photo looks like one of those horrid photoshops, where they enlarge character eyes to the comedic proportions?

Otherwise, dumb pandering is dumb.
And another red head is deleted. I wonder, do SJW freaks has something against red heads?

[Leo656]

It's because "White = Bad" and you don't get much more "white" than people of Celtic descent.

Seriously, "my people" are being completely gentrified out of pop culture entirely and I'm expected to just shrug it off. How 'bout nah?

[superstaff]

I think it’s Batwoman who has iconic red hair. It’s very striking. Barbara has been brunette.

In the 60s show, she was a natural brunette that used a red haired wig attached to her cowl. There's been a few other incarnations where they re-used this idea as well, I believe. (The Batwoman TV show on CW also copied this, with Kate and also Ryan both having red wigs on their cowls that did not match their natural hair.)

Typically, however, she is a natural redhead.

[Coola Yagami]

Sorry but no. It's like the phrase 'bad things happen when good men do nothing'.

Most we can do is not watch this trash. Let them know we're sick of this raceswap garbage, especially their personal vendetta against redheads.

Speak with your wallet. Make em tank.

[AquaParade]

In the 60s show, she was a natural brunette that used a red haired wig attached to her cowl. There's been a few other incarnations where they re-used this idea as well, I believe. (The Batwoman TV show on CW also copied this, with Kate and also Ryan both having red wigs on their cowls that did not match their natural hair.)

Typically, however, she is a natural redhead.

Okay you’re right. There are a lot of examples of her being brunette, but she is more often than not, redheaded.

I don’t know how anyone thinks white people are being gentrified out of pop culture. How about all the other superheroes that are white in current adaptions? I guess Peter Parker, three white Bruce Waynes, Dr. Strange - all of whom are manning some of the biggest upcoming movies in the world - are chopped liver? Loki? Scarlet Witch? Shazam? Ant-Man? Wasp? I could go on, obviously.

Captain Marvel, a white woman, was the character they were trying to push as the head of the biggest movie franchise in the world, after retiring their other two white leads. I mean, you’ve got to ignore pretty much everything to say that white people are being kicked out of pop culture.

All that is happening with the movies is a few white characters are being cast as black. And yeah, it’s probably being done on an at least somewhat conscious level, but if she’s a good actor, I don’t see the problem. If it were every single white character, or even a majority of them, then, yeah, that would be weird. But it’s not.

Reiteration: every white character being cast as black = bad
One out of ten white characters being cast as black = find something else to worry about.

Look, I hate the trend of pandering too, but a little diversity is okay. We can’t get carried away.

[Sumac]

Race-swapping is not a diversity.
Creating new interesting character of other races is diversity.

[IMJ]

Look, I hate the trend of pandering too, but a little diversity is okay. We can’t get carried away.

Agreed 100%.

Race-swapping is not a diversity.
Creating new interesting character of other races is diversity.

Agreed 100%.

[AquaParade]

Race-swapping is not a diversity.
Creating new interesting character of other races is diversity.

Actually, both can be true. Skin color is far from the only form of diversity, but it is one form of diversity.

Your statement implies that one negates the other, and it does not. I'm not saying race-swapping is the best way to bring diversity, but it actually is one way. And if the actor is right for the job, then that's just a "plus".

At the end of the day, there are more white superheroes. So they are casting some of them as black. It's not about erasing white people from pop culture. (Your post doesn't imply that, but before anyone gets carried away with my post, I want to reiterate that's where I'm coming from.)

[IMJ]

It's not about erasing white people from pop culture. (Your post doesn't imply that, but before anyone gets carried away with my post, I want to reiterate that's where I'm coming from.)

When you combine it with the vitriol from people riding around in cars screaming "Kill the white folk! Kill the white folk!" in videos, tearing down statues in an effort to defile history and supercede culture (no matter how questionable), public terrorists attacks on property and individuals (basically any BLM gathering), a coordinated movement to attack white people in pop culture from some existential anger and vengeance ("Dear White People"), and to attack a President as "racist" opportunistically (when in fact black employment numbers were the highest ever) and countless other examples; it sure feels like it's that.

And that's why people are angry. So diversity is fine but again - stop overriding existing characters and create new ones. Static Shock is awesome. John Stewart is awesome. Jim Rhodes is awesome. And all of these characters were around long before these movements and assaults of the last several years.

Replacing a white character with a black one is literally erasing white people from pop culture, dude. That's literally what it is. The white person is gone, the black person is there. Creating a new black character or using an old one that stands next to a white character is literally adding diversity. I mean the evidence is built into both the wording and the action for Christ's sake, dude. :roll:

[CyberCubed]

It's also because you can't do the opposite.

Imagine if they made a new movie where Cyborg was played by a white actor. The backlash would be huge because Cyborg has been around since the 80's. Imagine if Static Shock, John Stewart, Storm from X-men, etc. were all suddenly white. People would be outraged.

[AquaParade]

It's also because you can't do the opposite.

Imagine if they made a new movie where Cyborg was played by a white actor. The backlash would be huge because Cyborg has been around since the 80's. Imagine if Static Shock, John Stewart, Storm from X-men, etc. were all suddenly white. People would be outraged.

Yeah, I think this is what people are actually upset about. "It's not fair, you can't do it to a black character".

I mean, I guess. If you want to die on that hill you can, but when it happens so rarely and there are so many white characters anyway, I don't really see it as an issue.

And you're right, some people would be outraged if the opposite happened, but you know what? Two things:

1. I'd think they're just as stupid for being outraged. Honestly, "the reverse would happen too!" isn't a good reason to defend something stupid. Cast a white Cyborg and you won't see me cry. I'm not thinking on behalf of the dummies who will.
2. I'd probably cut those dummies just a little slack, seeing as the strong majority of popular characters in comic books are white, not black. I can name ten to one popular white characters for the list Cubed probably just struggled to come up with. That's not my opinion, it's just the playing field we are on. There are way less black characters, so maybe it's nice to get some skin color diversity in there. And Static Shock is an effin dork. Nobody wants him. Give him to the Spanish people. They are desperate and have slim pickings right now. Somebody give them a Spider-Man 2099 movie.

I just think it's silly to act like white people are being erased out of pop culture. Again, referring to my examples of white movie stars leading the biggest films in Hollywood. The top grossing films in Hollywood have white leads, for the most part. The recent ones. Sort of hard to look at that and go "we're being erased!"

[sdp]

nobody wants a white cyborg, a white shredder though. perhaps.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/59/15/2c5915741d1021b681360f979336e560.jpg

[AquaParade]

"Whi-Borg."

[Leo656]

To clarify, when I said "my people" were being gentrified out of pop culture, I specifically meant people of Celtic descent, not "white people" in general.

And it's not open for debate, it's a f*cking statement of fact. Pick any redheaded character and/or one with an Irish/Scottish surname, 99% chance they'll be black or Hispanic in the next movie or TV show adaptation. It's happened so many times over the last few years that it's only a shock if they DON'T race-flip them.

Black Widow's like the last one standing, and 1. She's dead, and 2. If they'd cast her even two years later than they did, she'd be black.

Whether or not there's a concentrated effort to "erase white people" in pop culture is a conversation, but whether or not they're trying to erase Celtic people is not. It's a simple statement of fact. It happens way too specifically and consistently to be any sort of coincidence.

[sdp]

Since Batgirl is black in this and Batman is white, does that mean we'll get the first interracial sex scene in a DC movie?

[IMJ]

To clarify, when I said "my people" were being gentrified out of pop culture, I specifically meant people of Celtic descent, not "white people" in general.

And it's not open for debate, it's a f*cking statement of fact. Pick any redheaded character and/or one with an Irish/Scottish surname, 99% chance they'll be black or Hispanic in the next movie or TV show adaptation. It's happened so many times over the last few years that it's only a shock if they DON'T race-flip them.

Black Widow's like the last one standing, and 1. She's dead, and 2. If they'd cast her even two years later than they did, she'd be black.

Whether or not there's a concentrated effort to "erase white people" in pop culture is a conversation, but whether or not they're trying to erase Celtic people is not. It's a simple statement of fact. It happens way too specifically and consistently to be any sort of coincidence.

Aqua Parade is one of those guys that just has his story and perspective and sticks to it at all costs. It doesn't matter how you present the information to him:

I just think it's silly to act like white people are being erased out of pop culture. Again, referring to my examples of white movie stars leading the biggest films in Hollywood. The top grossing films in Hollywood have white leads, for the most part. The recent ones. Sort of hard to look at that and go "we're being erased!"

Replacing a white character with a black one is literally erasing white people from pop culture, dude. That's literally what it is. The white person is gone, the black person is there. Creating a new black character or using an old one that stands next to a white character is literally adding diversity. I mean the evidence is built into both the wording and the action for Christ's sake, dude. :roll:

He will take that as confirmation that the total sum of the thought is someone's gentrification of a group argument at it's purest form.

He has got to be that kid in grammar school who was proven wrong in conversation countless times but yelled at his perceived adversary saying "PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS AND OPINIONS ARE NEVER WRONG!" as final word on the matter, and then ran away only to later talk **** about the guy he yelled it. Only all the $#!( he talked was from his own weird perception. :lol: Meanwhile everyone else who understood the greater point just went "uh, yeah man, absolutely".

Aqua, compared to many of the other people here with weird and oddly precise, unwavering and misfounded opinions; I love ya man. But you definitely look at the info in your own way, pal.

:P :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yeah, I think this is what people are actually upset about. "It's not fair, you can't do it to a black character".

Might be more revealing that you view it this way. I don't think that most normal people run around living by, and form opinions dictated by anger over trivial social equity. But you do believe that, clearly! Where are you coming from there personally, man?

[Coola Yagami]

Okay you’re right. There are a lot of examples of her being brunette, but she is more often than not, redheaded.

I don’t know how anyone thinks white people are being gentrified out of pop culture. How about all the other superheroes that are white in current adaptions? I guess Peter Parker, three white Bruce Waynes, Dr. Strange - all of whom are manning some of the biggest upcoming movies in the world - are chopped liver? Loki? Scarlet Witch? Shazam? Ant-Man? Wasp? I could go on, obviously.

Captain Marvel, a white woman, was the character they were trying to push as the head of the biggest movie franchise in the world, after retiring their other two white leads. I mean, you’ve got to ignore pretty much everything to say that white people are being kicked out of pop culture.

All that is happening with the movies is a few white characters are being cast as black. And yeah, it’s probably being done on an at least somewhat conscious level, but if she’s a good actor, I don’t see the problem. If it were every single white character, or even a majority of them, then, yeah, that would be weird. But it’s not.

Reiteration: every white character being cast as black = bad
One out of ten white characters being cast as black = find something else to worry about.

Look, I hate the trend of pandering too, but a little diversity is okay. We can’t get carried away.

How bout we copy the source material? No diversity unless that's how it was in the original story? And why not make new stories and new characters?

[AquaParade]

To clarify, when I said "my people" were being gentrified out of pop culture, I specifically meant people of Celtic descent, not "white people" in general.

And it's not open for debate, it's a f*cking statement of fact. Pick any redheaded character and/or one with an Irish/Scottish surname, 99% chance they'll be black or Hispanic in the next movie or TV show adaptation. It's happened so many times over the last few years that it's only a shock if they DON'T race-flip them.

Black Widow's like the last one standing, and 1. She's dead, and 2. If they'd cast her even two years later than they did, she'd be black.

Whether or not there's a concentrated effort to "erase white people" in pop culture is a conversation, but whether or not they're trying to erase Celtic people is not. It's a simple statement of fact. It happens way too specifically and consistently to be any sort of coincidence.

Okay, my bad. I thought you were referring to white people, obviously. I’m actually half Irish myself.

I don’t know anything about the Celtic thing you are referring to, but I’m intrigued.

My first thought is it sounds sort of conspiracy theory like. I mean, it would have to be a concentrated effort and it’s not like one person is in charge of Hollywood. Who’s agenda is this and why?
Again, not saying you’re wrong. I’m self-proclaimed clueless as to the circumstances of this issue, but it’s interesting.

IMJ, you do you. Not touching that pile of sale with a ten foot pole. Maybe when you cool down.

[Leo656]

I don't know the "Why" of it myself, I just know it happens too often to ignore.

April O'Neil, Jimmy Olsen, Barbara Gordon, etc. etc. etc. It's definitely become a trend. Why, who knows. It's like Eric Cartman took over Hollywood or something. "Death to all gingers!"

I'm sure it'll change eventually but it's been so consistent and persistent that it's impossible to ignore. And it's super f*cking annoying.

[Andrew NDB]

Like I said, the only ginger I've seen that's emerged intact (as a white person) in any TV/movie adaptations is Cheryl Blossom over on Riverdale... but they almost immediately made her into a lesbian. Like, "fine, we'll leave her white... but then we gotta LGBTQ her!"

[Leo656]

That doesn't count, all chicks are gay. :lol:

[AquaParade]

Man, I remember when lesbians were cool.

[IMJ]

IMJ, you do you. Not touching that pile of sale with a ten foot pole. Maybe when you cool down.

That's why I love ya man. I'm not down with your perspective often lately, but at least we can do this..... something the T-Drome sorely lacked for years. :lol:8)

That doesn't count, all chicks are gay. :lol:

Quoted proof here, from He-Man himself, that Teela in the new show is indeed.....

[CyberCubed]

Man, I remember when lesbians were cool.

Only if they're hot.

[Autbot_Benz]

Looks like JK Simmons is coming back to be Gordon

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/batgirl-movie-j-k-simmons-batman-commissioner-gordon-1234986858/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


The Oscar-winning actor is in negotiations to reprise the role of classic Batman character Commissioner James Gordon in Batgirl, Warner Bros.’ feature for HBO Max that is casting up swiftly.

[CyberCubed]

But I thought Batgirl was a black actress in this? If JK Simmons is playing Commissioner Gordon in this why is Barbara black?

[neatoman]

But I thought Batgirl was a black actress in this? If JK Simmons is playing Commissioner Gordon in this why is Barbara black?

Gordon's wife is black... Next question.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

But I thought Batgirl was a black actress in this? If JK Simmons is playing Commissioner Gordon in this why is Barbara black?

I told you she was Latin. Dominican, more accurately.

[IMJ]

But I thought Batgirl was a black actress in this? If JK Simmons is playing Commissioner Gordon in this why is Barbara black?

Because it's woke $#!(.

[CyberCubed]

I told you she was Latin. Dominican, more accurately.

I mean, it's the same thing, more or less.

[Andrew NDB]

Jeeze... maybe the Ben Affleck Batman really will continue on in the "DCEU." If they were looking for a time to recast Gordon and create some distance from the Ben Affleck Batman, it'd be now.

[Leo656]

Simmons is perfect for the role but has been given very little to do so far, so I'd love to see him back in any context.

I loved Gary Oldman but Simmons could end up being even better IF he actually got anything to do. He's one of those castings where you see it and are like, "Holy sh*t, how did nobody think of that before?"

And with all their talk about pushing the "Multiverse" angle in their movies and TV shows, if WB doesn't do SOMETHING with Affleck's Batman, Cavill's Superman, etc., it proves that they're just making decisions out of pure spite towards Snyder and the people who actually liked what he did. Even people who weren't in love with his style still loved his cast. There's no reason why those versions of the characters CAN'T continue on in some form, other than WB being like "F*ck that guy and everything he worked on." Which is childish.

[IMJ]

Jeeze... maybe the Ben Affleck Batman really will continue on in the "DCEU." If they were looking for a time to recast Gordon and create some distance from the Ben Affleck Batman, it'd be now.

Unfortunately everyone has only been able to judge Affleck through ensemble flicks. But still, the best ten minutes of Batman or so ever put to film has still got to be the DoJ warehouse scene.

I'd be down for an Affleck solo flick. I can't believe they just keep using him for these weird supporting character appearances. Everyone is going to age out by the time we get some great solo movies....

Cavill still looks great, but pull up a picture of him from MOS and you suddenly realize how long it's really been....

[Autbot_Benz]

https://deadline.com/2021/10/batgirl-brendan-fraser-leslie-grace-1234861890/

EXCLUSIVE: Brendan Fraser is set to join Leslie Grace in Warner Bros and DC Films’ Batgirl. Though not confirmed sources believe Fraser would play the supervillain Firefly in the pic. Jacob Scipio also recently joined the cast with Grace on board to play Barbara Gordon aka Batgirl. Bad Boys For Life directors Adil El Arbi and Bilall Fallah are helming.

[Autbot_Benz]

Micheal Keaton is on the cast list for Batgirl

https://collider.com/michael-keaton-cast-batgirl-movie/

Michael Keaton has been added to the cast list for the upcoming Batgirl film releasing on HBO Max, according to a press release Warner Bros. posted on their media site which included a preview of upcoming films set for premiere in 2022. It seems like Keaton might put the Batsuit on yet again after reprising the character for the upcoming Flash movie starring Ezra Miller.

[TigerClaw]

Micheal Keaton is on the cast list for Batgirl

https://collider.com/michael-keaton-cast-batgirl-movie/
Ok so he's still playing Batman in this movie which is interesting, Micheal Keaton only played Batman in the first two movies, and then the other actors took over, Yet it was still the same universe because there was a Batgirl in Batman and Robin who was Alfred's niece, So I would have to assume that this is a different Batman universe not associated with the Tim Burton one.

[ZariusTwo]

Ok so he's still playing Batman in this movie which is interesting, Micheal Keaton only played Batman in the first two movies, and then the other actors took over, Yet it was still the same universe because there was a Batgirl in Batman and Robin who was Alfred's niece, So I would have to assume that this is a different Batman universe not associated with the Tim Burton one.

You do know the plan is for Keaton to basically mentor a team of multiverse heroes right?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I read about Batman making an appearance somewhere but I wasn't expecting it to be Keaton's. If it was going to be Affleck's, it had me wondering if the actual actor would make an on-screen appearance or would it be akin to Superman's cameo in Shazam.

[frank_one]

Ok so he's still playing Batman in this movie which is interesting, Micheal Keaton only played Batman in the first two movies, and then the other actors took over, Yet it was still the same universe because there was a Batgirl in Batman and Robin who was Alfred's niece, So I would have to assume that this is a different Batman universe not associated with the Tim Burton one.Burton and Schumacher movies are so different I'm sure a lot of people would accept them being retconned as two different universes.

[sdp]

Yeah the four 90s batman movies are one continuity (https://miscrave.com/articles/batman-legacy-anthology/) but because gen x boomers can't stop complaining about how bad the other movies were, and mostly because they were not the target audience anymore when they came out it's now the status quo.

So of course these same boomers love the burton movies and to appeal to them and the new generations who grew up with video reviews of the movies they're splitting the timelines, so yeah for the Schumacher movies the burton movies are still canon but now there's a split timeline where the burton movies continued. But maybe not, if nothing outright contradicts the Schumacher movies in the upcoming flash/batman crossover movie I guess they could still happen even if Keaton is doing the role of the batman again.

[TigerClaw]

The only contradiction between the Burton and Schumacher movies was Harvey Dent, In Burton he was played by Billy Dee Williams, and for some reason by Tommy Lee Jones in the Schumacher movies.

[Andrew NDB]

Burton and Schumacher movies are so different I'm sure a lot of people would accept them being retconned as two different universes.

Yeah the four 90s batman movies are one continuity (https://miscrave.com/articles/batman-legacy-anthology/) but because gen x boomers can't stop complaining about how bad the other movies were, and mostly because they were not the target audience anymore when they came out it's now the status quo.

So of course these same boomers love the burton movies and to appeal to them and the new generations who grew up with video reviews of the movies they're splitting the timelines, so yeah for the Schumacher movies the burton movies are still canon but now there's a split timeline where the burton movies continued. But maybe not, if nothing outright contradicts the Schumacher movies in the upcoming flash/batman crossover movie I guess they could still happen even if Keaton is doing the role of the batman again.

I would personally look at it a bit like one might look at a volume of a comic. Writer #1 has a good run for a couple of years. Everybody loves it. Mostly. Then he leaves. Writer #2 comes on, continuing the story for a year or so... but it's radically different in tone and everything else to what came before. Mostly everyone hates it. Some people like it. Writer #3 comes on, continuing from there. Everything writer #2 did still "counts," but just... best let's just not talk about it much. At all. Best just sweep it under the rug, and mostly either focus on stuff writer #1 did or just focus on new stuff entirely. When I was growing up reading comics there always seemed to exist that professional courtesy, whether it was from one writer to the one before, or fans being accepting of that. This writer's run sucks? Well, it happened, it's canon, but hopefully the next writer's run won't.

That's kind of how I'd look at how Forever and Batman & Robin fit into the Burton Batman universe. Particularly in terms of how they relate to the Keaton appearances in Flash and otherwise. That said... no, I wouldn't be sad if Forever and B&R went into The Nothing.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I don't know, this news just seems to be writing on the wall for Batfleck. He is this universe's Batman so why else are they choosing Keaton over him?

[Autbot_Benz]

I don't know, this news just seems to be writing on the wall for Batfleck. He is this universe's Batman so why else are they choosing Keaton over him?

simple

Ben Affleck says he's done with IP movies like Batman: 'I just don't like it anymore' Ben Affleck has claimed that he is no longer interested in appearing in films based on pre-existing intellectual property

https://finance.yahoo.com/finance/news/ben-affleck-says-done-ip-163023819.html#:~:text=The%20Independent-,Ben%20Affleck%20says%20he's%20done%20with%20IP%20 movies%20like%20Batman,don't%20like%20it%20anymore '&text=Ben%20Affleck%20has%20claimed%20that,existing %20intellectual%20property%20(IP).

[LeotheLateBloomer]

simple

Ben Affleck says he's done with IP movies like Batman: 'I just don't like it anymore' Ben Affleck has claimed that he is no longer interested in appearing in films based on pre-existing intellectual property

https://finance.yahoo.com/finance/news/ben-affleck-says-done-ip-163023819.html#:~:text=The%20Independent-,Ben%20Affleck%20says%20he's%20done%20with%20IP%20 movies%20like%20Batman,don't%20like%20it%20anymore '&text=Ben%20Affleck%20has%20claimed%20that,existing %20intellectual%20property%20(IP).

I'm more so referring to an 'in-movie' situation but this is interesting to know.

[frank_one]

Would you consider a proper Batman 3 directed by Tim Burton a possibility for the future? Yes, a sequel to his 1992 Batman Returns.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIxGB98XoAwKYIV?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Keaton Batman and Robin mural.

[Andrew NDB]

Since I'm assuming that won't be the Chris O'Donnell version... should we start making bets? Asian Robin?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I like Keaton's Batman but putting him in the DCEU is going to be a mess with the Flash. I'm going to assume that Batgirl in this film will be based on the New 52 version which is fine but will probably look jarring next to a dated Batman.

[ZariusTwo]

Rebecca Front, Corey Johnson, and Ethan Kai have joined the Batgirl cast

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/batgirl-adds-three-to-cast-1235074348/

Also some set photos have revealed Babs will indeed still be a redhead

[mrmaczaps]

So this Batgirl movie is going to have a black Joker? How's that gonna work? Joker is a pasty faced white dude... granted its sometimes makeup, sometimes not but still... wtf. If we're gonna do alternate version/universe characters, can we make these characters actually alternate versions by name too? Jefferson Pierce suddenly shows up as a slick looked Chinese dude, same folks liking white to black character/race swaps are gonna be pissed off.

[Autbot_Benz]

So this Batgirl movie is going to have a black Joker? How's that gonna work? Joker is a pasty faced white dude... granted its sometimes makeup, sometimes not but still... wtf. If we're gonna do alternate version/universe characters, can we make these characters actually alternate versions by name too? Jefferson Pierce suddenly shows up as a slick looked Chinese dude, same folks liking white to black character/race swaps are gonna be pissed off.

CW batwoman has the black joker not this movie

[mrmaczaps]

CW batwoman has the black joker not this movie

Oooh for real? Hard telling. :tlol:

[CyberCubed]

Can you tell Joker is black with white face paint?

[Autbot_Benz]

Oooh for real? Hard telling. :tlol:

yes its true all of it

[mrmaczaps]

Can you tell Joker is black with white face paint?

Sometimes. But also, white dude wearing black face paint=bad. Black dude wearing white face paint=meh.

[Autbot_Benz]

Leslie Grace
@lesliegrace
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“I use their expectations against them. That will be their weakness. Not mine. Let them all underestimate me…

And when their guard is down, and their pride is rising, let me kick their butts.”
- Batgirl, Year One
Bat

https://i.imgur.com/7txZrGq.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Oh gross. They're using the cutesy college Batgirl suit that followed Gail's run at the New52.

[CyberCubed]

I honestly completely forgot Batgirl was black in this. I still don't understand the obsession with turning everyone into blacks, but I'll judge the actress on her own merits when it comes out.

Black Catwoman, Black Batgirl, Black Robin, Black Superman...everyone is a black now

[Sumac]

Its somehow compensates for the lack of black characters in the past...except, for the most part those character will stay White in the most media and, if Blacks, or people who so worry about their representation, want more diversity they'd better to create new character, but its too hard and takes too much time, creativity and effort and we all know that lefties ready to splurge in Twatter, but put no real efforts in anything in real world.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I honestly completely forgot Batgirl was black in this. I still don't understand the obsession with turning everyone into blacks, but I'll judge the actress on her own merits when it comes out.

Black Catwoman, Black Batgirl, Black Robin, Black Superman...everyone is a black now

You also forgot that I told you that she's Dominican. Except you didn't.

Like I said, I figured she'd be based on the New 52 version so the suit is what I expected. Looks fine since it resembles that version of Batgirl.

[Andrew NDB]

You also forgot that I told you that she's Dominican. Except you didn't.

Like I said, I figured she'd be based on the New 52 version so the suit is what I expected. Looks fine since it resembles that version of Batgirl.

That is not the New52 suit. Even though I hated what they did with her in the New52, the New52 suit of hers was rather awesome. That would've looked great on screen.

[ZariusTwo]

This is the Burnside suit, which dominated the back-end of New 52 and the DCYou era before being retired in 2018, though it made a brief return in Death Metal when she got back with Dick

She's chiefly back to being Oracle in the comics now, with the occasional return to the costume.

[sdp]

If they keep her in the shadows like in the promo pic she still looks white. I'm just going to pretend she's white and her darker skin is because of shadows and a tan.

Black Gordon in the Batman movie sticks out

[CyberCubed]

You also forgot that I told you that she's Dominican. Except you didn't..

Isn't that "kind of" black?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Look it up, Cubed.

[Leo656]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/batgirl-star-leslie-grace-teases-192732068.html

Yeah.... Nope.

[Sumac]

Where do I get a vomit soundbyte?

[ZariusTwo]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/batgirl-star-leslie-grace-teases-192732068.html

Yeah.... Nope.

I don't see the issue dude. It's a canonical comics character.

Just because it's inclusive doesn't mean it's automatically bad. A lot of internet grifters can't tell the difference anymore, don't be like them

[Leo656]

I don't care if it's a canon character. That's not my issue.

[ZariusTwo]

That's not my issue.

Then what is?

'Representation' doesn't always mean something's s*it.

[Sumac]

I don't see the issue dude. It's a canonical comics character.

Just because it's inclusive doesn't mean it's automatically bad. A lot of internet grifters can't tell the difference anymore, don't be like them
Being inclusive towards mentally ill people is not a good type of inclusivity.

Instead being pandered to, they should get a good treatment, but pretending their mental illness is a new variant of "normality" does make disservice to everyone.

[AquaParade]

I think the issue is that WB is constantly pandering to Twitter-culture lately, so now anything they do for representation just feels forced.

I have no issue with trans characters or people feeling included though. I actually think the push for transitioning is getting a bit weird - we don't need to be encouraging our children to switch gender, for one thing- that's too early on to make a decision like that.

But if adults want to transition, good for them. No, I'm not using pronouns in my online profile, but I support them doing what they want to do. I guess we can assume it's mental illness in a lot of cases, but most people are mentally Ill in one way or another. As long as it's harmless to other people, so be it.

But again, WB/DC feels like they can't stop pandering lately, and it does become too much.

I am looking forward to seeing "Boy" from Grant Morrison's Invisibles, if that adaption ever gets off the ground. Probably my favorite character who is trans.

[Leo656]

Then what is?

'Representation' doesn't always mean something's s*it.

Last time I spoke out loud on the subject I was deluged with scolding PMs from people like plastroncafe. My inbox is at 99% so I don't need that again. We can talk about it elsewhere.

[ZariusTwo]

Last time I spoke out loud on the subject I was deluged with scolding PMs from people like plastroncafe. My inbox is at 99% so I don't need that again. We can talk about it elsewhere.

It's ok Dude, I'm not going to needle you over it

[Andrew NDB]

I don't see the issue dude. It's a canonical comics character.

Just because it's inclusive doesn't mean it's automatically bad. A lot of internet grifters can't tell the difference anymore, don't be like them

"It's a canonical character, this SJW character made in these past 5 years when SJWs have been loudly working full-time to unabashedly SJW-ify the entire comic industry!" <== completely meaningless.

At this point they can make whoever they want at DC and Marvel gay or bi or trans or whatever. These aren't real comics anymore. Not as we know them.

[CyberCubed]

Why can't movies go back to everyone being white and straight with maybe one token black character like it used to be in the 90's.

Those were the days.

[AquaParade]

Why can't movies go back to everyone being white and straight with maybe one token black character like it used to be in the 90's.

Those were the days.

Because time has passed and you are closer to death.

And yeah, comics sort of suck these days. There's always some good work being done and talented creators, but by and large the industry is stale and stuck pandering to Twitter.

[Autbot_Benz]

Why can't movies go back to everyone being white and straight with maybe one token black character like it used to be in the 90's.

Those were the days.

https://i.imgur.com/wGY3QlC.gif

[sdp]

It's a new comic character so it's fair game, all decades have had horrible new additions to the main characters, this last decade is no different. And when time passes the actual good ones remain while others don't. You can call it SJW characters but they're a product of their time just like Lobo and Doomsday were in the 90s and not all 90s characters aged well and many were criticized at the time. I mean the original heroes were all white boring boyscouts, it really wasn't until the 70s/80s were they started to become what most of us consider "good". It's why superfriends feels for toddlers while the DCAU is enjoyable as an adult. Comics started sucking when they started to bring all those old heroes back like Hal Jordan, who frankly was boring which is why all the other Green Lanterns that came after him were more interesting, he should've stayed dead/villain, no one needed Superman but with a magic ring back again, same with Barry Allen etc.

Even if the character sucks I have no problem with a 4 sexuality three culture character, in fact I encourage that. We'll see in a decade if the character was good enough to remain relevant or not like other heroes made because of the time they were made. Better than the alternative of changing established characters.

[IMJ]

It's woke $#!(. Don't give them a dime. Doesn't matter if Michael Keaton is in it or not.

It's woke $#!(. Let WB spend a fortune on it and see if the audience they are virtue-signaling to turns out with the dollars. If they do, then no problem.

But if you don't like woke $#!( for any reasons, then don't give them a dime. It's that simple.

[robertfiduciary]

You just want to say n**ger so bad, don't you? :roll:

It's woke $#!(. Don't give them a dime. Doesn't matter if Michael Keaton is in it or not.

It's woke $#!(. Let WB spend a fortune on it and see if the audience they are virtue-signaling to turns out with the dollars. If they do, then no problem.

But if you don't like woke $#!( for any reasons, then don't give them a dime. It's that simple.

[Coola Yagami]

You just want to say n**ger so bad, don't you? :roll:

Love how that's the conclusion you go to when the dude just wants a good show with good characters and good writer with zero virtue signaling and zeri wokeness.

Go back to Twitter my dude.

[robertfiduciary]

Can you give examples of movies and shows that had "virtue signalling" and "wokeness" that were ruined for you due to that virtue signalling and wokeness?

I mean, shows you actually saw.

Not articles you read on the Internet.

Things you actually paid cash for.

I'm honestly just curious.

I'm online as much as anyone, and I never see any actual works cited of things people actually went into, with full intent to watch, then watched, and it was ruined by "wokeness."

But I would love to know more.

Love how that's the conclusion you go to when the dude just wants a good show with good characters and good writer with zero virtue signaling and zeri wokeness.

Go back to Twitter my dude.

[Sumac]

You just want to say n**ger so bad, don't you? :roll:
Everyone who disagrees with you, of course, want to say slur against Blacks.
Are you mentally five, because, your argumentation is on the level of five year old.

[robertfiduciary]

I guess I will just repeat myself, then:

CAN YOU NAME A SINGLE MOVIE THAT YOU ACTUALLY PAID MONEY FOR THAT WAS *RUINED* DUE TO IT'S PERCEIVED "WOKENESS?"

A single movie. It's all I'm asking.

Because, you see, in a year, or two, or three, none of you will be complaining about "wokeness" anymore.

Just like no one complains about the dangerous "migrant caravan" coming in to America.

Just like no one will be complaining about "Critical Race Theory" anymore.

Or M&Ms.

Like the world, you'll be on to the next thing. You'll still be complaining, apparently. But you'll be on to the next thing.

And you won't even realize it. Because you'll be too angry about the next offensive... whatever.



Everyone who disagrees with you, of course, want to say slur against Blacks.
Are you mentally five, because, your argumentation is on the level of five year old.

[Andrew NDB]

Why is the "paid money for" piece so critical to you? I'm sure a lot of people have walked unsuspectingly into SJW/heavily virtue signaling garbage... but probably the majority that do check those out aren't paying any money to do so, knowingly.

For me? Eh. Last Jedi. That's one. Star Trek: Discovery and Picard, for sure. What, is the killing off of Star Wars as a serious movie property and Star Trek as a serious TV entity not enough? Any of those 3 might have been saved by having coherent scripting... but alas, all that's left to point to is an empty bit of virtue signaling because that's seemingly the only driving force behind the people involved in these. Their ability to go, "See? We've got diverse people! Even though you can't name any of the characters! And we've made sure we have scenes that pass the Bechdel Test! And we have lesbians! Boy, do we have them, but don't worry, manbabies... we have lots of explosions to cater to you!" and all that rubbish.

Oh, and the CW Arrowverse. The first few seasons of Arrow and Flash were fine, with a little SJW salt and pepper here and there... but the overall writing was GOOD so it was overall palatable. But remove the good writing and... yeesh. What's left but that stuff? As the last slew of seasons laid bare.

[robertfiduciary]

Interesting. Thank you.

Would you say the scripts sucked because they were "woke?"

Or did the scripts just suck, and being "woke" is a convenient scrapegoat?

I guess what came first: the chicken, or the egg?

[robertfiduciary]

And one more thing I'd love some clarification on:

Some of you seem to seriously think that major corporations (that have an obligation to their shareholders) are willing to spend millions and millions of dollars in order to gain recognition from... Twitter?

The most ephemeral form of electronic communication maybe ever?

I guess I just can't believe anyone would actually think that. But reading some posts on here (that I thought would help with the insomnia, but nope!), it seems to be prevelant belief.

And that just blows my mind.

Anyway, good times.

[Andrew NDB]

And one more thing I'd love some clarification on:

Some of you seem to seriously think that major corporations (that have an obligation to their shareholders) are willing to spend millions and millions of dollars in order to gain recognition from... Twitter?

The most ephemeral form of electronic communication maybe ever?

I guess I just can't believe anyone would actually think that. But reading some posts on here (that I thought would help with the insomnia, but nope!), it seems to be prevelant belief.

And that just blows my mind.

Anyway, good times.

Well, as it's turning out... going woke doesn't actually get you broke. It entitles you to ESG monies, if you can prove your project and company is progressive and diverse satisfactorily. Even if your project lands in the red. Funded by the Hollywood elite who high five each other.

Interesting. Thank you.

Would you say the scripts sucked because they were "woke?"

Or did the scripts just suck, and being "woke" is a convenient scrapegoat?

I guess what came first: the chicken, or the egg?

Well, let's go back a step. A textbook good story, be it in comics or TV or film lives or dies because of the care of the storytelling, of the craft of characters and their arcs. Making us care about characters and have us either rooting for them or wishing them defeated. Everything else must exist in the service of these things or they are unnecessary or, at least, should only exist in the periphery. Now, if you have a strong story, a good solid framework narratively? You can kind of do whatever you want. But you have to at least have that, as a bare minimum.

2020-2022? We're seeing a ton of projects that treat these things as secondary. The primary is the diversity, the celebrating of the sexual identity, or that this is a tough black lesbian female, and there is a leading transgender character or there are a bunch of people coming out... they begin the "creative" process with this and THEN they start to kind of worry about stringing together some kind of flimsy story to house this, like an annoyance or a pesky afterthought. This is precisely the problem. Instead of the other way around. The notion that as long as there is the diversity and some "bold" SJW stuff baked in somewhere, you can talk about how bold it is over lattes with like-minded liberals... and that that is enough to equal a good story, equivalent to all stories before this weird movement? It isn't. It never will be. They aren't fooling anybody but themselves, who've already bought into the whole thing wholesale because idealogy. All the while, they still don't understand "story."

[Sumac]

I guess I will just repeat myself, then:

CAN YOU NAME A SINGLE MOVIE THAT YOU ACTUALLY PAID MONEY FOR THAT WAS *RUINED* DUE TO IT'S PERCEIVED "WOKENESS?"

A single movie. It's all I'm asking.

Because, you see, in a year, or two, or three, none of you will be complaining about "wokeness" anymore.

Just like no one complains about the dangerous "migrant caravan" coming in to America.

Just like no one will be complaining about "Critical Race Theory" anymore.

Or M&Ms.

Like the world, you'll be on to the next thing. You'll still be complaining, apparently. But you'll be on to the next thing.

And you won't even realize it. Because you'll be too angry about the next offensive... whatever.
You are delusional, if you think that "Critical Race Theory" and illegals are not a threat to the US. Also, it is your lot who loves to skip and hypocritically change views depending on the day. No need to project your immaturity and hypocrisy on others, Bobby.

As for the movies, why I should pay for them? What if I watched them on TV?
As for which ones were ruined by "woke": Ghostbusters'16, Terminator: Dark Fart, SW: The Last Jedi.
While none of this movies were ruined exclusively by woke content, all of them were marketed as "woke" and included some "woke" values, which, coupled with bad writing and acting made them bad.

Hopefully this answers your question.

Some of you seem to seriously think that major corporations (that have an obligation to their shareholders) are willing to spend millions and millions of dollars in order to gain recognition from... Twitter?
It is not that simple: in normal world no-one would bother pandering to the "activists" on Twatter. However, those activists are used by megacorporations and certain politicians to promote their agendas - which are acquiring more power and money.

Thus, sometimes, studios can overlook financial losses and make some garbage, just get those keyboard warriors all sweaty and excited. With that they signal their "loyalty to the cause" and got their losses compensated in the future by having a tight relationship with the right people.

Otherwise it is hard to explain how garbage like Angels' Charlie or Batwoman ever get made, since those works are seemingly horrible from both conceptual and executional values.

[AquaParade]

Hollywood does pander to Twitter lately. Or the culture prevalent on Twitter, which involves a lot of signal boosting, victimization, silencing of opposing views, and aggressive levels of forced "diversity".

I'm a pretty open-minded person. I got love for all my brothers and sisters, and I welcome progressive values. Basically do anything you want as long as it doesn't hurt someone else, is my perspective. Even I notice the pandering.

These companies do pander to that crowd because they are the most vocal portion of the fan base. Hollywood follows the trends. As we have started to see, it's not exactly a recipe for success, however. Hollywood has to make mistakes and learn how to exist in an evolving, social-media hinged world. This was a byproduct of that.

That said, there has been an over correction on the opposite side of the fence as well. All this culture war **** is comprised of overreactions. Now, especially here on the drome, almost anything starring a woman or a black person is considered "woke" or treated as if it has an agenda. It's getting pretty old on all sides.

Go to the Batman thread and you'll see everyone has their undies in a twist because Gordon and Selena are black. Doesn't matter if they are good actors. People are mad because they were white in the comics and now they're black. Hell, there could be some studio pandering involved there, but most of the cast are proven to be fantastic actors, so my first point of interest isn't their skin color. I just think there's a level of paranoia and neuroticism that has evolved as a counterpoint to the pandering.
It's a bit like Trump derangement syndrome.

[Coola Yagami]

I think the only 'woke' works I paid to see were Black Panther and Captain Marvel. IMO the only thing 'woke' I saw in Black Panther is the fact the only 2 white people were either a bungler or a bad guy, and even the bungler was more 'fish out of water' and more of a regular guy that wasn't a superhero or a tribal warrior. Also didn't like the 'Colonizer' line. First off that dude was born in the modern century so he himself is not a colonizer, and second that word in itself is stupid.

It might sound bad to say but now in 2022, who cares if 'we' colonized this country? You wouldn't be here sipping on your triple soy Starbucks latte if 'we' didn't. Secondly anyone non-white complaining about it..... well I don't exactly see you packing your bags and moving back to your country of origin, so STFU. And that includes me, I've lived in Mexico for a bit and have some good times, and until I stopped drinking the leftist Kool-Aid, I'm actually happy and never been happier living in America. Now I can drink one of those Starbucks coffee but hold the soy.

As for Captain Marvel, like many, I watched it to see any hints whatever would lead to End Game.

I don't watch woke show or movies. It's hard to be 'tricked' by them. The trailers themselves look terrible. The directors and actors in them are either already known for spewing woke **** or now start spewing all sorts of woke **** once they get brought on board the movie or show. Hey, if so and so says 'sorry boys, this movie isn't for you', I say 'OK' and direct my money elsewhere. Can't blame me, you're the one that told a sizeable chunk of your audience that the thing you're making or starring in isn't for them. Don't cry when almost no one shows up to see it. The ones your are targeting care more about posting 'OMG I'm gonna go see (whatever) today, aren't I special and virtuous?' than actually seeing it.

It's like this unhealthy compulsion to announce you're so excited to get your booster today and posting selfies all over social media. It's becoming a compulsion to virtu signal for these people.


But yeah, anything woke, I simple don't watch. Let it die. It's easy cause they can't help to give themselves away. They're so excited to spread their message they even do it before the stupid thing is even released. So far there has not been a bait and switch because they can't help themselves. There has not been a trailer of say.... John Wick 4 full of action and all sort of badassery and having everyone involved just talk about how much fun they had filming it and whatnot, zero politics... and then the actual movie is sjw woke propaganda beginning to end and Wick was trans the whole time. It just doesn't happen. The woke can't help themselves. They HAVE to gush all about it. And when they do, I direct my money elsewhere.

This 'anime' show called High Guardian Spice, a Crunchyroll original, their first trailer was literally 'DIVERSE, DIVERSE, DIVERSE, LOOK HOW DIVERSE WE ARE' even though they're all women. Literally that, interviews with the showrunners about diversity. No mention of the plot, the characters, not even the main characters. It finally came out late last year and surprise surprise, it bombed.

Let's not forget those woke superheroes Marvel tried to push called Snowflake and Safespace that were so woke Marvel themselves cancelled it.

[CyberCubed]

Black Panther was semi-woke. It's a movie about a black country in Africa but it wasn't all "black people are good, white people are bad" mentality. Plus the main villain was a fellow black from the hood, it's not like a white man was the core villain that the black hero had to save.

A movie about black people isn't inherently woke. Blacks have always had TV shows and movies like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

[Andrew NDB]

As for which ones were ruined by "woke": Ghostbusters'16, Terminator: Dark Fart, SW: The Last Jedi.

Oh yeah, Terminator: Dark Fate for sure. Goodness gracious, that was a big "SJW: The Revenge" movie, through and through, "fixing" the "problematic" things about the franchise, killing off the "white savior" and avenging Trump building the wall by murdering a lot of Border Patrol.

GB16... I don't know that it necessarily is "woke." It has a general sort of feminist agenda, for sure, but mostly it's just a really bad movie that went in front of cameras with barely a script. The most notable SJW/woke stuff surrounding the movie is what came AFTER the movie came out, from all the pink-haired ladies and feminine men/men with girlfriends who have boyfriends saying things like, "We NEED this to be a success!" and "It is important that little girls have heroes, too!" and the big push there on all fronts.

[Coola Yagami]

Oh yeah, Terminator: Dark Fate for sure. Goodness gracious, that was a big "SJW: The Revenge" movie, through and through, "fixing" the "problematic" things about the franchise, killing off the "white savior" and avenging Trump building the wall by murdering a lot of Border Patrol.

GB16... I don't know that it necessarily is "woke." It has a general sort of feminist agenda, for sure, but mostly it's just a really bad movie that went in front of cameras with barely a script. The most notable SJW/woke stuff surrounding the movie is what came AFTER the movie came out, from all the pink-haired ladies and feminine men/men with girlfriends who have boyfriends saying things like, "We NEED this to be a success!" and "It is important that little girls have heroes, too!" and the big push there on all fronts.

I hated how all the women were competent while the only male was a stupid idiot only there to be ogled, as some sort of 'take that!', while in the original movies, Janine was not a ditz at all and the guys were not drooling over her, nor did they hire her for sex appeal, which she didn't really had any, except for those that were into the librarian look.

Feminism and SJWs go hand in hand. At least modern feminism that isn't about equality but about superiority and killing all men and such nonsense.

[Sumac]

Oh yeah, Terminator: Dark Fate for sure. Goodness gracious, that was a big "SJW: The Revenge" movie, through and through, "fixing" the "problematic" things about the franchise, killing off the "white savior" and avenging Trump building the wall by murdering a lot of Border Patrol.

GB16... I don't know that it necessarily is "woke." It has a general sort of feminist agenda, for sure, but mostly it's just a really bad movie that went in front of cameras with barely a script. The most notable SJW/woke stuff surrounding the movie is what came AFTER the movie came out, from all the pink-haired ladies and feminine men/men with girlfriends who have boyfriends saying things like, "We NEED this to be a success!" and "It is important that little girls have heroes, too!" and the big push there on all fronts.
Oh, yeah, moment with killing border patrol was cringe, especially, since, I think, director (?) said something to the effect that it was a commentary or something, so it was 100% done on purpose like that. And Sarah's line about (paraphrasing) "Not being just a walking womb for a savior".

This line is so ****ing dumb, especially in the context of Terminator 1 and 2, which explicitly had stated and shown that, if it was not for Sarah upbringing and training, John wouldn't become savior of humanity and she, Sarah, was considered a legend in her own right in the Resistance.

Its almost like people in charge of that movie did a really bad job at getting familiar with the past one or ignored certain stuff to put in their dumb propaganda.

As for GB'16, like I said, it wasn't bad, because, it was "woke", it was merely part of it, like with other movies I mentioned. But the whole concept "take famous property and sex-swap heroes into heroines" is a go to MO of SJWs. Of course, shitshow which had followed was greater than a movie.

[IMJ]

You just want to say n**ger so bad, don't you? :roll:

No. Not at all, no.

You f$#%in' idiot.

:lol: Wasn't even remotely on my mind. Not even a stirring thought.

Ya f$#%in' idiot.

I guess I will just repeat myself, then:

CAN YOU NAME A SINGLE MOVIE THAT YOU ACTUALLY PAID MONEY FOR THAT WAS *RUINED* DUE TO IT'S PERCEIVED "WOKENESS?"

A single movie. It's all I'm asking.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi. Completely, utterly ruined by woke $#!(.

That's enough biting on your lure for me. You think you are making some strong point or moral stand. You aren't. I'm sure you think you are. But you aren't. And so, my response was a courtesy on the merits of your 'question'.

It's clear that this is perceptual, socially-maladjusted world-view issue for you whereas it's a social-observational issue for me. Huge difference. Your gonna have to struggle with some more life-problems before you see the realities here, if you ever do.

Ya Damn dufus.

Roberfiduciary = slovenly, unempowered fool
https://i.imgur.com/li6VR30l.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

‘Batgirl’: Ivory Aquino To Play Alysia Yeoh, First Trans Character In A Live-Action DC Film

Ivory Aquino (When They See Us, Tales of the City) has joined the cast of Batgirl, the upcoming superhero film that Bad Boys for Life‘s Adil El Arbi and Bilall Fallah are directing for HBO Max.

Alysia Yeoh was created by writer Gail Simone and artist Ardian Syaf for DC Comics and is often considered iconic in her own right, being one of the first major contemporary trans characters in mainstream comic book history – a fact that has carried over to the movieverse as Yeoh will also be the first trans character in a live-action DC film. At the moment, specifics about the character and the film’s plot are being kept close to the vest as is common with superhero movies these days, but it will follow the adventures of Barbara Gordon aka Batgirl, a vigilante in Gotham City as well as the daughter of Gotham police commissioner James Gordon.

https://deadline.com/2022/01/batgirl-ivory-aquino-to-play-alysia-yeoh-in-hbo-max-movie-1234918905/

[CyberCubed]

Uh-oh. The warning bells are going off.

[Andrew NDB]

‘Batgirl’: Ivory Aquino To Play Alysia Yeoh, First Trans Character In A Live-Action DC Film



https://deadline.com/2022/01/batgirl-ivory-aquino-to-play-alysia-yeoh-in-hbo-max-movie-1234918905/

Aaaaand we're done here. Pass.

[Sumac]

More propaganda of insanity.
I wonder, do those trans activists and their handmaidens of both sexes, even comprehend that no matter how much they try to push idea that men can arbitrary become a woman, it will never happen in real world?

Or they are OK with this idea as long as rest of population superficially agrees with them and scared to argue?

[Andrew NDB]

You can imagine what -- or rather who -- Batgirl's failure will be attributed to. Racist transphobes.

[CyberCubed]

I mean they know what they were doing.

Instead of a white Barbara Gordon with red hair, they went with a dark-skinned one. And now adding a trans character. It's basically cast to pander to that crowd from the start.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean they know what they were doing.

Instead of a white Barbara Gordon with red hair, they went with a dark-skinned one. And now adding a trans character. It's basically cast to pander to that crowd from the start.

And they'll say, naturally, "But it's a character from the comics!!!"

Yeah, one made like last year. In the middle of a hotbed of an SJW takeover of... just about everything at Marvel and DC. Doesn't count.

[CyberCubed]

Since they use transgender as some kind of buzzword in these announcements, does anyone remember when they used to call these people "trannies" or "she-males?"

I remember the first time I heard those words were on the Jerry Springer show around 1999-2001 or so. I don't know if the word transgender was used back then, I remember them constantly saying "trannies" at the time or "she-males."

I never see people say "she-male" anymore, is that word considered derogatory these days? It's like how you don't see people call lesbians, "dykes" anymore. Well some girls call each other dykes but mainly only the butch masculine looking ones. Am I behind the times or do people not use these words any more?

[Sumac]

I never see people say "she-male" anymore, is that word considered derogatory these days? It's like how you don't see people call lesbians, "dykes" anymore. Well some girls call each other dykes but mainly only the butch masculine looking ones. Am I behind the times or do people not use these words any more?
Pretty much everything is offensive to TRA depending on the level of their insanity.

Yes, even "Trans sexual", even though it is the most appropriate description of their psychosis. "She-male" and "Tranny" are basically like certain "N" word for this crowd of ill people.

Even "Trap", which refers to anime crossdressers considered to be offensive to trans. Why? IDK, just, because, they are self-obsessed hypocritical psychopaths.

There is no rhyme or reason, why these people find something offensive, they just do.

[Coola Yagami]

I forgot who cause I don't keep track of all these YouTubers but they tried to cancel someone for using the word tranny even though it was back when everyone uses that word and on top of that, the original video was talking about Chris Crocker (LEAVE... BRITNEY.... ALONE!!!) who referred to herself as a tranny.

Sorry, you don't to change words and go back and try to cancel people who used to use the same words you did back then too.

[IMJ]

I forgot who cause I don't keep track of all these YouTubers but they tried to cancel someone for using the word tranny even though it was back when everyone uses that word and on top of that, the original video was talking about Chris Crocker (LEAVE... BRITNEY.... ALONE!!!) who referred to herself as a tranny.

Sorry, you don't to change words and go back and try to cancel people who used to use the same words you did back then too.

That's an example of the gaslighting and word games played by evil people that I'm always making a brick wall stand against here on the forums, man.

The people who do that are disingenuous cowards who simply "hate". Disingenuous because they twist words/framing to appear truthful by POV or context.
Cowards because they can't address real issues head-on and be successful so they gaslight and lie about context instead.
Haters because that conduct is simply an outlet for their life-anger. Maybe from failed lives, from not having what they want, or whatever who knows.

And when you present them with an airtight description of how they are like what I said there, it would be so damning and so exemplified on them, they'll double down and do more of it. Resort to saying "you are a racist!" or "you are a woman-hater".

And if it's not a manipulation like I'm describing, then bare minimum it's their ego. "It's not possible for someone to not like who I am because I do no wrong therefore the answer is that person who hates me is a misogynist or a racist".

Either way I view all of that and your example in the quote as pathetic; and quite frankly the behavior is the first leg in the pool of actual evil.

[Sumac]

SJW are fighting Nazis with methods of Nazis: retroactively changing rules.

It reminds how in Russia some companies are declared "Foreign Agents" and it should be mentioned every single time, when news talk about them. The thing is according to our courts and prosecutors they should be mentioned as "Foreign Agents" even in sources which existed before the whole law about "Foreign Agents" was created.

[Andrew NDB]

"Can you answer me what a woman is?" "No, I can't."

nhWo1AOrSrY

[Sumac]

Of course, he can't say it.
It would mean to acknowledge reality that he is not a woman and that he is just a psychotic fetishist.

[Andrew NDB]

Huh, if this was discussed around here, I missed it:

https://www.thewrap.com/jeffrey-dean-morgan-michael-keaton-batman/

Jeffrey Dean Morgan was going to be the Thomas Wayne Flashpoint Batman in the Flash movie, but they decided to scrap that and go with Keaton's Batman instead. There was plans for Dean Morgan's Thomas Wayne Batman to appear in other stuff, too, presumably this Batgirl movie.

This kind of gives some idea of the general plan for the Keaton Batman, which we already kind of guessed. "Multiversal visiting custodial figure," essentially.

[ZariusTwo]

Batgirl filming proving to be 'a shambles' for local business

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/the-filming-of-batgirl-has-been-a-shambles-for-business?fbclid=IwAR2IQy-UPi7qiILL3ExKupBk93fVD1CZ_0kbH3dcTzGogkoUiaUG4Yhb9 2c

[Autbot_Benz]

Keaton in the batsuit on set

https://i.imgur.com/Ub0Bd7M.jpg

https://twitter.com/BatgirlFilm/status/1492658389318574084/photo/2

[Autbot_Benz]

Better look at Keaton's Stunt double in his suit

https://i.imgur.com/R9tVDBy.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Honestly the idea of a 70+ year old Bruce Wayne still being Batman feels a bit funny, there's a reason Batman Beyond took off in popularity. It makes sense for Bruce to retire to an advisory role as Terry steps in when he gets too old.

[IMJ]

I don't think anyone here should dig in too hard on the fact that the majority of ticket money this movie sees is from Gen X'ers paying to see Michael Keaton as Batman again, and likely for that reason only.

Oh wait.

It's on HBO Max. :lol: They didn't want to risk it in theaters.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Honestly the idea of a 70+ year old Bruce Wayne still being Batman feels a bit funny, there's a reason Batman Beyond took off in popularity. It makes sense for Bruce to retire to an advisory role as Terry steps in when he gets too old.

It'd sure be a huge missed opportunity if a Batman Beyond movie doesn't happen with Keaton returning to the role. If I were WB, I'd jump on that while he's still alive.

[Sumac]

Keaton was a horrible Batman and nostalgia is the only reason he's still popular when we've had better takes on the characters. I can appreciate the impact he had like say I can for Adam West but no one can actually say Keaton is a good Batman.

boomers who grew up with the movie will REEEEEEEEE at the above fact
Gladly it is not a fact, but just another ****** trolling from a ****** troll.

[Andrew NDB]

Keaton was a horrible Batman

Keaton was a mediocre Batman. He was an excellent Bruce Wayne.

[IMJ]

Keaton was a mediocre Batman. He was an excellent Bruce Wayne.

I would modify that even further in that Keaton was a great Batman. For the style and universe that Tim Burton wove for his movies. It all worked out very well.

But as for the comic book Batman that we all want to see? Eh.

[AquaParade]

I love the look of the suit. Keaton Batman is great. Unfortunately for me, I have very little hope for this movie, so I'm not sure I'll see it. Open to being wrong.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder why Michael Keaton suddenly wants to be Batman again. After the 90's it seemed like he never had any interest returning to the role.

[AquaParade]

I wonder why Michael Keaton suddenly wants to be Batman again. After the 90's it seemed like he never had any interest returning to the role.

Probably saw how Adam West went out and said "Yeah, that looks nice."

[Autbot_Benz]

I wonder why Michael Keaton suddenly wants to be Batman again. After the 90's it seemed like he never had any interest returning to the role.

Wrong he wanted to be in Batman Forever but he hated the script

“It sucked,” Keaton said of the Batman Forever screenplay. “The script never was great. I didn’t understand why [Schumacher] wanted to do what he wanted to do … I knew it was in trouble when he said, ‘Why does everything have to be so dark?’” Keaton was replaced as the Caped Crusader by Val Kilmer (who himself was replaced by George Clooney in Schumacher’s next stab at the material).

https://ew.com/movies/2017/01/04/michael-keaton-turned-down-batman-forever-because-the-script-sucked/

[CyberCubed]

Yeah that was in the 90's, but I mean now. It's literally 30 years later.

[Leo656]

I can think of a few rea$on$.

Like I know that "Birdman" flick did okay, but it seems like people were not banging down the doors to hire "Michael Keaton: Serious Actor" just in general.

He's old, he sees how many of his contemporaries have said "screw it" and taken jobs their younger selves would have completely ignored or bitched about doing. Principles don't buy you a bigger funeral plot or a bigger trust fund for your kids, after all.

Mark my words: Somewhere right now, someone high-up at WB is fishing the most recent script for "Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian" out of the drawer, now that they've noticed both Burton AND Keaton are in the "Screw it, I need money" phase of their twilight years.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm honestly shocked we still haven't gotten a Beetlejuice 2. Keaton would look virtually the same in the Beetlejuice makeup, Winona Ryder isn't, like, too old, everybody wants to see it and Burton needs a hit.

[Sumac]

But can he do a hit?

[frank_one]

I wonder why Michael Keaton suddenly wants to be Batman again. After the 90's it seemed like he never had any interest returning to the role.As far as I know this is the first time, after Batman Forever, he has been asked to step back into Batman's boots. Probably he also likes the script and the fact he only needs to play Batman as a mentor.

[Andrew NDB]

Random musing:

The general thinking is that WB seems poised as it stands to make Batgirl -- who they've already made black -- into the defacto "Batman" of the new status quo of the DCEU. Right? What if there is even more to this? What if they're actually going to make her lesbian, and graduate her fully as the new Batwoman, now that the CW show has made that a thing?

[Leo656]

Labeling anyone as either a "girl" or a "woman" is an incredibly violent act of harmful aggression.

It should be "Bat-Person" or nothing. Check your privilege, WB.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

and graduate her fully as the new Batwoman, now that the CW show has made that a thing?

They did what now?! You're joking, right?

[Andrew NDB]

They did what now?! You're joking, right?

Nothing. I only mean to say that they took a white lesbian woman and turned her into a black lesbian woman in the CW. It doesn't seem much of a stretch to imagine them already having taken a white straight woman and turning her into a black woman (in Batgirl)... and then just nudging her into a lesbian. And then Batwoman. For the film arena.

At this point.

[Leo656]

I think you mean "turned into a character who openly presents themselves as having lesbian or homosexual traits."

By definition, no woman - either real or fictional - can be "turned into" something they already are. And All Women Are Gay (at least a little bit). It's simply a matter of whether they're honest about it and/or present it to the world. Some do, some don't. Lots and lots and lots of them are in denial about it, for one thing. But ask any "straight" girl who "just experimented a little in college" about who eats pussy better, guys or girls... watch how fast they rush to change the subject.

In this case, the Barbara Gordon character has never been open about it, BUT she's a woman so we have to assume she's inherently bisexual even if it's never been a cited or outspoken character trait. Because all women are.

Now, can I see a movie or TV show Right Now or in the near future making her explicitly and openly gay or bisexual? Well, duh, of course. It's 2022, it's pretty much mandatory.

[Autbot_Benz]

First look at Firefly's Costume

https://i.imgur.com/zhL8ugP.jpg

[The Deadman]

Yeah that was in the 90's, but I mean now. It's literally 30 years later.

Money rules everything.

[Andrew NDB]

So the creative inspirations are BTAS and... Joel Schumacher. And apparently none of the comics:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/batgirl-directors-talk-various-inspirations/

[Sumac]

Schumacher!? Oh my...and I bet it won't be bat-nipples.

[Andrew NDB]

Schumacher!? Oh my...and I bet it won't be bat-nipples.

Yeah, remember how it goes? Only big bat nipples for the males. Not the females.

I mean, yeesh. Even if he was an inspiration for the movie (and first of all, why wouldn't anyone saying that be summarily fired?) why would they think saying that out loud in interviews is going to be a good idea?

[Sumac]

Bat-nipples aside, I want to nip into another part of this sucker: if they take inspiration from Schumacher, does it mean this project will be a nigh-coherent circus of conflicting visual and narrative styles, ****** acting, horrible scripts?

[Andrew NDB]

Those aren't nipples. There is no definition or areolas like they gave Batman and Robin.

[ZariusTwo]

Test screening was this week. Here are details

Batman has a lot of screen time, he and Batgirl work in tandem a lot and both have a strict "no kill" code.

-Jim Gordon is said to be 'sweet and funny'

-The concept art of Batgirl atop the stone gargoyle looking over Gotham is one of the final shots of the finished movie. She'll receive a new costume by the end.

https://highoncinemaa.com/news/batgirl-test-screening-leaks-and-plot-details/4606/

[Andrew NDB]

Burton Batman has a no-kill code suddenly? So it's FAKE Burton Batman.

[mrmaczaps]

This looks & sounds terrible.... who wanted this mess?

[superstaff]

Burton Batman has a no-kill code suddenly? So it's FAKE Burton Batman.

I've been in arguments with people who claim Burton Batman had a no-kill rule. I think a lot of people, including those who worked on this movie, only saw Batman '89 once when they were kids then never again, and only remember what they project into it.

This looks & sounds terrible.... who wanted this mess?

Nostalgic millennials who only care about Keaton Bats... :ohwell:

[Leo656]

Keaton Batman was way more bloodthirsty than Affleck Batman. Affleck at least waited until someone had a bazooka pointed at him before killing them. Keaton was just plain strapping dynamite to people and laughing about it.

It's weird how peoples' memories of something can skew the details. Like how much The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises leans upon the "no-kill" rule, while asking you to completely forget about the time Bruce burned down an entire monastery along with EVERYONE inside. Including the guy he refused to kill! :lol: Like, he wouldn't execute him, but he also never let him out of the cage after he set the fire, so the guy still died BUT in a much more horrific way than he would have died if Bruce had simply done it by hand with the sword. What a sh*tload of f*ck!

Maybe that's where Bale's Batman got his "rule" from. "The smell of all those people being barbecued to death made me realize the importance of not killing. Also, of fire safety and prevention. Better late than never." :lol:

[mrmaczaps]

I've been in arguments with people who claim Burton Batman had a no-kill rule. I think a lot of people, including those who worked on this movie, only saw Batman '89 once when they were kids then never again, and only remember what they project into it.



Nostalgic millennials who only care about Keaton Bats... :ohwell:

Not this Keaton fan.... tired of the blackwash of all these characters... and the hating on redheads... lol.

[superstaff]

Keaton Batman was way more bloodthirsty than Affleck Batman. Affleck at least waited until someone had a bazooka pointed at him before killing them. Keaton was just plain strapping dynamite to people and laughing about it.

It's weird how peoples' memories of something can skew the details. Like how much The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises leans upon the "no-kill" rule, while asking you to completely forget about the time Bruce burned down an entire monastery along with EVERYONE inside. Including the guy he refused to kill! :lol: Like, he wouldn't execute him, but he also never let him out of the cage after he set the fire, so the guy still died BUT in a much more horrific way than he would have died if Bruce had simply done it by hand with the sword. What a sh*tload of f*ck!


All of the live action movie Batmans have killed, directly or indirectly, save for George Clooney's. Yes, even Adam West in the '66 movie. People never believe me when I say this, and they call me a r*tard, idiot, fake fan, etc etc etc. :lol:

[Leo656]

To be fair, Adam West Batman had no idea that Penguin had accidentally rehydrated those henchmen with hard water. Yes, Batman (and Robin!) technically "killed" them by scattering their atoms upon contact, but it's not like they did it on purpose.

[superstaff]

To be fair, Adam West Batman had no idea that Penguin had accidentally rehydrated those henchmen with hard water. Yes, Batman (and Robin!) technically "killed" them by scattering their atoms upon contact, but it's not like they did it on purpose.

directly or indirectly

Still counts. :)

[IMJ]

Woke batgirl couldn't have pulled her own weight in a movie so they made Batman 3 with Keaton instead and called it "Batgirl" to check the box.

Can't wait to sail the high seas with this to see Keaton in action.

[ZariusTwo]

Film moved to 2023

https://thedirect.com/article/batgirl-movie-release-date-delayed

[Autbot_Benz]

Fraser isn't playing Garfield Lynns Firefly he is playing a character called Ted Carson

"Ted Carson is the character's name. It's misprinted in the media, I have noticed that. It's a new character, it's a new day," Fraser explained. "He's quite cross, he's a veteran whose benefits have been cut, so he wants to burn Gotham to the ground. And Batman and Batgirl are there to stop him. Or are they?"


Ted isn't a new character necessarily as he first appeared in Bill Finger and Sheldon Moldoff's Batman #126. He became an arsonist known as Firefly, but was a wealthy heir who turned to crime out of greed. As the actor explains, this take will have a different origin story and, as is so often the case with DC, it seems multiple versions of the character are being combined here.

https://comicbookmovie.com/batman/batgirl/batgirl-star-brendan-fraser-reveals-some-surprising-new-details-about-fireflys-updated-origin-story-a195062#gs.7h891c

[Andrew NDB]

Batgirl getting shelved. "Irredeemable."

https://nypost.com/2022/08/02/batgirl-movie-gets-shelved-by-warner-bros-source/

[ZariusTwo]

In the same esteemed company as Corman's Fantastic Four film then.

The lost chapter of Batman '89

[Autbot_Benz]

That sucks I wanted to see more Keaton batman and Brendan Fraser Firefly

[Andrew NDB]

That sucks I wanted to see more Keaton batman and Brendan Fraser Firefly

Apparently all the test audiences left wishing they didn't.

[oldmanwinters]

D'oh! Once again, WB just can't get rid of a bomb.

Or maybe they actually did?

[Autbot_Benz]

Hollywood Reporter

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/batgirl-shelved-at-warner-bros-hbo-max-1235191371/

‘Batgirl’ and ‘Scoob!: Holiday Haunt’ Scrapped at Warner Bros. Amid Cost-Savings Push

In a surprising development, Warner Bros. will no longer be releasing Batgirl, the DC film that already completed shooting and was expected to arrive on HBO Max this year. The unusual move comes after a change in leadership at Warners, with newly installed Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav prioritizing on cost-cutting measures and refocusing Warners on theatrical films rather than creating projects straight for streaming, as had been a priority for former WarnerMedia CEO Jason Kilar.

Batgirl was budgeted at around $80 million, with costs rising to nearly $90 million due to COVID-19 protocols. It’s a hefty sum, but significantly lower than DC theatrical releases, thus the film is said not to have the spectacle that audiences come to expect from DC fare. (The Batman, released in March, had a budget of $185 million, before marketing costs.) Warners has also decided to shelve the $40 million animated feature Scoob!: Holiday Haunt.

[Andrew NDB]

So they removed Keaton's appearance from Aquaman 2, reached out to Ben Affleck to return as Batman for reshoots, now they've entirely cancelled what was to be Keaton's big vehicle post-Flash.

I'd say Keaton's appearance in Flash -- if the movie even comes out at all -- might be all she wrote for him.

[CyberCubed]

Wasn't the movie done filming? This is weird, not even releasing it direct to streaming? Feels like someone will leak this online eventually just so everyone can watch it.

[MikeandRaph87]

Wasn't the movie done filming? This is weird, not even releasing it direct to streaming? Feels like someone will leak this online eventually just so everyone can watch it.

Yes, it was in the test screening phase of post-production and bow seems to be shelved for the best. I say that as a fan of Barbara Gordon.
https://www.cbr.com/batgirl-movie-canceled-irredeemable-test-screenings-dc/

[ranger_scout]

I was actually looking forward to this movie ever since Joss Whedon was longer involved with the project. I guess this means that until further notice 1997's Batman & Robin will still be the only live-action film appearance of the character and she wasn't even Barbara Gordon.

[CyberCubed]

I'm surprised for 3 reasons:

1. The movie was pretty much done. If this hadn't started filming it'd be a different story.

2. It features a BLACK female superhero. Not only is it a Batgirl movie, but a dark-skinned Batgirl, which in today's society you'd think they would love to promote. They're really passing up a black female Batgirl?

3. Micheal Keaton's role. Again this feels weird since they specifically brought him back for movies like this and now it's pointless.

[Turo602]

This is actually very admirable. Glad they didn't waste our time. Glad they can acknowledge that a film like this and WB's original vision for the DC Universe was going to be a disaster. I wanted to see Keaton's Batman make his big screen return as much as the next guy, but a film like Flashpoint was the perfect vehicle for it. Bringing in a short, old, out of shape Batman to replace the main Batman of an on-going universe because he was popular in the 90s and they have a personal beef with anything Snyder ever touched was always an idiotic move. It's exactly what they did with Justice League and even Wonder Woman 1984. They just keep digging into the past hoping today's audience will jive with it just because it was the last time their properties were successful.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm surprised for 3 reasons:

1. The movie was pretty much done. If this hadn't started filming it'd be a different story.

2. It features a BLACK female superhero. Not only is it a Batgirl movie, but a dark-skinned Batgirl, which in today's society you'd think they would love to promote. They're really passing up a black female Batgirl?

3. Micheal Keaton's role. Again this feels weird since they specifically brought him back for movies like this and now it's pointless.

Don't forget this, too:

https://people.com/movies/batgirl-casts-ivory-aquino-as-first-ever-trans-character-to-appear-in-dc-comic-film/#:~:text=Batgirl%2C%20the%20upcoming%20HBO%20Max,G race)%20%E2%80%94%20in%20the%20project.

[Leo656]

I'm not sad but it's pretty shocking. Who shelves a finished movie? Must have been REALLY bad. Yeesh.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not sad but it's pretty shocking. Who shelves a finished movie? Must have been REALLY bad. Yeesh.

It really must have been. To even where reshoots couldn't even be fathomed to turn it around. We're talking appallingly bad.

[Autbot_Benz]

This David Zaslav dude is not best for WB Business.

[Andrew NDB]

This David Zaslav dude is not best for WB Business.

If it was opposites day.

[CyberCubed]

The thing is even bad/terrible movies get released all the time because they can make back some profit over it for the 30+ years. I mean they still make money putting Batman and Robin on streaming services nearly 30 years after it came out after all.

[Andrew NDB]

They're basically saying the damage to the brand would be worse long term if they released it, even if they got some or all of their money back.

[NinjaPug]

I care more that they canned the Scooby Doo movie but still a really weird move for a movie in post production.

[IMJ]

I'm not sad but it's pretty shocking. Who shelves a finished movie? Must have been REALLY bad. Yeesh.

Because studios are probably now even seeing pushback from their test screeners over woke $#!(.

More evidence that woke $#!( is being rejected on a routine basis and that the curve is sloping downward and away.

[Leo656]

Except it's not. Most MCU movies and shows contain "woke sh*t" out the ass and more often than not, they make a lot of money. There are exceptions, obviously, but that's true of anything. For example, the whole Ms. Marvel or whatsername show; sure, people who obsess over "woke sh*t" hated it, but I think it has more to do with the fact that it's a character mainstream audiences don't know or care about, and who even comics fans have consistently sh*t on since her creation. It's less about the fact the show was "woke" and more that just in general nobody ever asked for the character to even exist, let alone have a waste-of-time TV show. I *guess* the two are connected but I still think the show might have done better if anyone at all even cared about that character, which nobody does.

This is far beyond something that annoys you and more something of a crusade, isn't it? Just an observation. But no, the facts don't really support the "Go Woke/Go Broke" thesis. It only rings positive when the resulting product is SO bad, such as the Charlie's Angels reboot or the last Terminator movie, that even the people who would theoretically support it for its politics end up hating it. Generally speaking, most people don't care. Most people who go see This Movie or That Movie are NOT the same people on FB or message boards ranting about politics or "woke sh*t". They wouldn't even know what the term means if you said it out loud. I've witnessed it.

Anyways, I look forward to more facts coming out on this movie's bizarre situation, for sure. Stuff like this NEVER happens. The Post article says that at over $100 million the Batgirl movie is one of the most expensive abandoned movies ever made. This is wild. I've never had the slightest bit of interest in watching the movie but I am VERY interested in how a 99% finished movie could suddenly be thrown on the heap after a ton of hype. I hope some of the footage leaks out so we can all one day judge for ourselves.

[Autbot_Benz]

If Zsalav wants to cancel the Fake Black Canary HBO max show I wouldn't have a problem with it:lol:

[IMJ]

Except it's not. Most MCU movies and shows contain "woke sh*t" out the ass and more often than not, they make a lot of money. There are exceptions, obviously, but that's true of anything. For example, the whole Ms. Marvel or whatsername show; sure, people who obsess over "woke sh*t" hated it, but I think it has more to do with the fact that it's a character mainstream audiences don't know or care about, and who even comics fans have consistently sh*t on since her creation. It's less about the fact the show was "woke" and more that just in general nobody ever asked for the character to even exist, let alone have a waste-of-time TV show. I *guess* the two are connected but I still think the show might have done better if anyone at all even cared about that character, which nobody does.

This is far beyond something that annoys you and more something of a crusade, isn't it? Just an observation. But no, the facts don't really support the "Go Woke/Go Broke" thesis. It only rings positive when the resulting product is SO bad, such as the Charlie's Angels reboot or the last Terminator movie, that even the people who would theoretically support it for its politics end up hating it. Generally speaking, most people don't care. Most people who go see This Movie or That Movie are NOT the same people on FB or message boards ranting about politics or "woke sh*t". They wouldn't even know what the term means if you said it out loud. I've witnessed it.

Anyways, I look forward to more facts coming out on this movie's bizarre situation, for sure. Stuff like this NEVER happens. The Post article says that at over $100 million the Batgirl movie is one of the most expensive abandoned movies ever made. This is wild. I've never had the slightest bit of interest in watching the movie but I am VERY interested in how a 99% finished movie could suddenly be thrown on the heap after a ton of hype. I hope some of the footage leaks out so we can all one day judge for ourselves.

Except it is. Again, these things work on a curve. Social events and tidal waves don't just magically dry up over night. Especially when it comes to film making that has years of pre-planning before execution. You can't say "it's not" simply because you can still find examples of woke $#!( hanging around.

For example, Disney and Marvel dug in hard on that woke $#!( and it's a large vessel to change the direction. They also won't drop it completely because the public facing side of their agenda would take an incredible hit. That's why you ramp things up and ramp things down.

We just came from a years-long period where everyone got on board and green lit anything that was woke $#!( so as to be part of it; and also so as not to be vilified in the witch hunt. They were churning out literally racist $#!( like "Dear White People" and it was perceived as okay - can you imagine the "racism outcry" if people levied a world of truth on black people with a f'n show called "Dear Black People"? And that extreme content has repeatedly failed for support, and so we are back to the ramp down, away from the "Dear White People" at it's peak and down to the softer agenda woke $#!(.

And so. Except it is.

Woke $#!( needs to be continually rejected until it basically becomes some obscure, small counter-culture for the peasant f's that it defines life for. I don't know what you are looking at, or how the people of the Drome widely perceive data but I absolutely have seen the "Go Woke, Go Broke" thesis being played out, absolutely.

As for my personal positioning? No it's not a crusade, it's more akin to a moral positioning in reality and truth. Show me a $#!b@g white person and I'd be happy to point out the realities of their nonsense as well. Woke $#!( makes it about "race" and so race therefore must come up even when positioning against it. My audience also defines the depth of conversation as well - the widely obtuse, retail-thought I see in "ninja turtle circles" tends to demand a more blunt explanation for things than other circles do.

[sdp]

What actually happened was that when Discovery purchased WarnerMedia/Time Warner from AT&T for 43 billion dollars, it purchased some of AT&T's debt in the process of purchasing TW/WM and now Warner Bros Discovery is in 55-57 billion dollars worth of debt due to the combined corporations debts. So now it has to start cutting at least 3 billion dollars now, and will most likely need to start cutting more for "cost synergies". That's why it sold an office in Knoxville TN and Adult Swim offices in Georgia. First thing to usually go is unneeded properties and now Discovery is really cutting into the meat that is WarnerMedia. Expect more canceled shows and movies and more "unscripted" and cheap reality show garbage.

AT&T had the internet and thought they could also own the content too, but fired important people in executive roles, cut out a lot of the people that worked there too for "cost synergies" which is a fancy way for saying you're laying off hundreds if not thousands of workers to pay off debt. The AT&T Time Warner merger was jerked off to hell and back by Wall Street, until the quarterly report shown poorly and the pandemic put the final nail in the coffin of this poorly thought out merger.

AT&T needed a way out and Wall Street has been hammering media corporations to prepare for the "Streaming Wars" and tells smaller corporations to get bigger. So, Viacom and CBS already merged a few years back and so Discovery was the smallest fish in the pond. AT&T seen a perfect opportunity and started taking about selling WarnerMedia to Discovery in a debt offering and AT&T got out of the media business and lost a good chunk of debt in the process, has some hand chosen executives in the new WarnerDiscovery company while still being financially independent from all that mess and Discovery is technically now a large media company on par with ViacomCBSParamount.

But as you can see, it's shaping up to be the same **** from the last two mergers, AOL didn't know what to do, AT&T didn't know what they were doing and Discovery doesn't have a clue either.

[Allio]

Oh no. A Batman product was canned. Whatever shall the ip do…

[oldmanwinters]

What actually happened was that when Discovery purchased WarnerMedia/Time Warner from AT&T for 43 billion dollars, it purchased some of AT&T's debt in the process of purchasing TW/WM and now Warner Bros Discovery is in 55-57 billion dollars worth of debt due to the combined corporations debts. So now it has to start cutting at least 3 billion dollars now, and will most likely need to start cutting more for "cost synergies". That's why it sold an office in Knoxville TN and Adult Swim offices in Georgia. First thing to usually go is unneeded properties and now Discovery is really cutting into the meat that is WarnerMedia. Expect more canceled shows and movies and more "unscripted" and cheap reality show garbage.

AT&T had the internet and thought they could also own the content too, but fired important people in executive roles, cut out a lot of the people that worked there too for "cost synergies" which is a fancy way for saying you're laying off hundreds if not thousands of workers to pay off debt. The AT&T Time Warner merger was jerked off to hell and back by Wall Street, until the quarterly report shown poorly and the pandemic put the final nail in the coffin of this poorly thought out merger.

AT&T needed a way out and Wall Street has been hammering media corporations to prepare for the "Streaming Wars" and tells smaller corporations to get bigger. So, Viacom and CBS already merged a few years back and so Discovery was the smallest fish in the pond. AT&T seen a perfect opportunity and started taking about selling WarnerMedia to Discovery in a debt offering and AT&T got out of the media business and lost a good chunk of debt in the process, has some hand chosen executives in the new WarnerDiscovery company while still being financially independent from all that mess and Discovery is technically now a large media company on par with ViacomCBSParamount.

But as you can see, it's shaping up to be the same **** from the last two mergers, AOL didn't know what to do, AT&T didn't know what they were doing and Discovery doesn't have a clue either.

Only in America! :tlol:

[CyberCubed]

Oh no. A Batman product was canned. Whatever shall the ip do…

It's just interesting that were going to make the first live-action Batgirl movie. Now we'll probably just go back to having Batman solo movies for the next decade.

[Sumac]

It must have been such a big pile of ****...lol...so much for their Feminism.
But at least world was spared from another raceswapped character.

[Andrew NDB]

If Zsalav wants to cancel the Fake Black Canary HBO max show I wouldn't have a problem with it:lol:

Along with both black Superman projects. Especially the one from the super racist guy and Abrams.

[Powder]

I was almost shocked for a moment & then I remembered the reality of our modern world. It's probably just a marketing tactic. They know it sucks, so they need something to drum up some hysteria & lower expectations.

[Andrew NDB]

I was almost shocked for a moment & then I remembered the reality of our modern world. It's probably just a marketing tactic. They know it sucks, so they need something to drum up some hysteria & lower expectations.

I don't think that's really it. Maybe if there was a deluge of "UNCANCEL BATGIRL!" but the truth is that only a small and loud group of the same SJWs even care about it, and it's not like they turned up for Birds of Prey.

It's mostly three factors:

1. Tax writeoff. They spent about 70 million on it but it'd take another 50 million to market it. Now they don't need to spend even $1 in marketing and they get most of the money spent so far "back."

2. Horrific test screenings. This was not going to be a popular movie. Also, apparently Keaton was only in 3 or 4 scenes?

3. The current bosses want to clean up and consolidate the direction of the DCEU and this would be a big fat blight on it. Better to sweep it aside and do things more in line with their bigger plans.

[Leo656]

Along with both black Superman projects. Especially the one from the super racist guy and Abrams.

I wouldn't be shocked if both were already cancelled. There's been no word about either one of them in ages.


1. Tax writeoff. They spent about 70 million on it but it'd take another 50 million to market it. Now they don't need to spend even $1 in marketing and they get most of the money spent so far "back."


Allegedly the "real" budget was over $100 million, according to most sources. "$70 million" was the number they were allowed to speak of out loud but supposedly it cost a good bit more. And that's still before marketing.
---------------

All of this reminds me: Remember in 2017 when they announced the Nightwing movie (along with 87 other DC movies that have not and will never be made)?

WB is f*cking nuts; with DC alone their announced-and-then-cancelled movies outnumber the movies that actually get made by like almost 10-to-1. If a King broke so many promises they'd be beheaded.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'm now at a point where I have know idea what WB's roadmap is for their movies anymore. Although I hope Joker 2 won't happen because it doesn't need a sequel. I was actually curious to see how the Batgirl movie would turn out and not because Keaton was in it.

This is the first I've ever heard of a Scoob 2 being made. I heard the first one didn't do that good on streaming services.

[CyberCubed]

Apparently all that's coming now:

1. Aquaman 2, this is pretty much done

2. Black Adam.

3. Flash...if this ever comes out. I think it will due to the sheer mass of work they put into it, but Ezra going crazy in real life doesn't help matters.

4. Wonder Woman 3...eventually. But this seems far off.

5. Matt Reeve's Batman has a sequel and will be a trilogy at the least. This is basically our Batman for the next decade.


That's basically it. Pretty sure everything else you heard rumored or in the pipeline is pretty much cancelled.

[AquaParade]

I'm now at a point where I have know idea what WB's roadmap is for their movies anymore. Although I hope Joker 2 won't happen because it doesn't need a sequel. I was actually curious to see how the Batgirl movie would turn out and not because Keaton was in it.

This is the first I've ever heard of a Scoob 2 being made. I heard the first one didn't do that good on streaming services.

Joker 2 needs a sequel more than any of their other films because it’s actually unpredictable. What will they do? Aside from rumors, no one really would have a clue. That’s what makes it exciting to me.

And it helps to remember that we could have said the same thing about Alien, Terminator, or a ton of other films that didn’t “need” a sequel but spawned an amazing one anyway, sometimes even outdoing the first.

Just my opinion. I can understand if a Joker sequel doesn’t interest you, but it’s my belief that none of these films need a sequel more than the other, technically. I’d say the films that know how to do a one-and-done story are the most deserving of a sequel, in many ways.

[CyberCubed]

https://twitter.com/cynical_tutu/status/1554917439569379329

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Just my opinion. I can understand if a Joker sequel doesn’t interest you, but it’s my belief that none of these films need a sequel more than the other, technically. I’d say the films that know how to do a one-and-done story are the most deserving of a sequel, in many ways.

It's more that I just feel the movie is better as a standalone one-off.

[Andrew NDB]

4. Wonder Woman 3...eventually. But this seems far off.

It seems like they're not even thinking about it right now, let alone so much as writing a script. Maybe we'll see WW3 in 2026. F*** WB is retarded.

And don't forget about Blue Beetle. That's in the middle of filming if it hasn't already wrapped.

[Leo656]

And the idea that Wonder Woman 3 with Jenkins at the helm is even possible shows how inept - and inconsistent - WB is. WW84 was by all accounts a disaster, and unlike the first movie where Zack was physically involved with the producing end and WB was overseeing the entire thing to ensure it fit with the rest of their DC slate, WW84 was by most accounts nearly ALL Patty Jenkins and the end result got hammered. They got terrible reviews AND lost a ton of money - although the pandemic had a lot to do with that part, sure - and yet Jenkins is supposedly going to get a mulligan? Why?

Just to be objective, here: MoS did well enough to greenlight BvS, but immediately after BvS underperformed - it made a small profit but not as much as hoped for/expected - WB was immediately trying to squeeze Snyder out because "One strike and you're out" and all that. Meanwhile, Jenkins lost them a TON of money and consumer confidence in what some people said was "The only good DC movie series" with Wonder Woman, and WB's response to her is "It's okay, try again, we'll get 'em next time"? What f*cking sense does THAT make? By rights they should have been even more harsh on her than they were on Snyder, all things being equal. Snyder did not lose them $200 million dollars, he actually made them money it just wasn't as much as they wanted. She, on the other hand, put them in red ink.

It really does come off like Jenkins is only getting another try because she's a woman. I'm sorry, there's just no other reason I can think of that seems plausible.

I'm actually not gonna be shocked if the movie ends up not happening, though, or if Jenkins becomes "too busy" and someone else directs it. I suspect the public WW3 announcements were just PR spin to save face. They probably are looking for a graceful way to sh*tcan her and not have it look bad. But that's not what we know for a fact, all we know is that "supposedly" she's getting another chance. And if she does, well... that isn't right or fair.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm actually not gonna be shocked if the movie ends up not happening, though, or if Jenkins becomes "too busy" and someone else directs it. I suspect the public WW3 announcements were just PR spin to save face. They probably are looking for a graceful way to sh*tcan her and not have it look bad. But that's not what we know for a fact, all we know is that "supposedly" she's getting another chance. And if she does, well... that isn't right or fair.

And all of this was said long before the Discovery deal. Who knows if Zaslov believes Patty deserves another chance, let alone if a WW3 is even something they want at this point.

[IMJ]

What actually happened was that when Discovery purchased WarnerMedia/Time Warner from AT&T for 43 billion dollars, it purchased some of AT&T's debt in the process of purchasing TW/WM and now Warner Bros Discovery is in 55-57 billion dollars worth of debt due to the combined corporations debts. So now it has to start cutting at least 3 billion dollars now, and will most likely need to start cutting more for "cost synergies". That's why it sold an office in Knoxville TN and Adult Swim offices in Georgia. First thing to usually go is unneeded properties and now Discovery is really cutting into the meat that is WarnerMedia. Expect more canceled shows and movies and more "unscripted" and cheap reality show garbage.

AT&T had the internet and thought they could also own the content too, but fired important people in executive roles, cut out a lot of the people that worked there too for "cost synergies" which is a fancy way for saying you're laying off hundreds if not thousands of workers to pay off debt. The AT&T Time Warner merger was jerked off to hell and back by Wall Street, until the quarterly report shown poorly and the pandemic put the final nail in the coffin of this poorly thought out merger.

AT&T needed a way out and Wall Street has been hammering media corporations to prepare for the "Streaming Wars" and tells smaller corporations to get bigger. So, Viacom and CBS already merged a few years back and so Discovery was the smallest fish in the pond. AT&T seen a perfect opportunity and started taking about selling WarnerMedia to Discovery in a debt offering and AT&T got out of the media business and lost a good chunk of debt in the process, has some hand chosen executives in the new WarnerDiscovery company while still being financially independent from all that mess and Discovery is technically now a large media company on par with ViacomCBSParamount.

But as you can see, it's shaping up to be the same **** from the last two mergers, AOL didn't know what to do, AT&T didn't know what they were doing and Discovery doesn't have a clue either.

Very well said. And all true. But we've known that for years since that shareholders meeting where it was stated outright "there are no sacred cows in our portfolio".

And so what really happened is that a decision was made regarding what to cut over perceived profitability of any given product. AAnnnndddd there you have it... Your "sense of reason and higher authority" post there most likely purposely omits that amidst everything you described, had Batgirl had strong screenings and was considered a "winner" flick they would've released it.

I don't think that's really it. Maybe if there was a deluge of "UNCANCEL BATGIRL!" but the truth is that only a small and loud group of the same SJWs even care about it, and it's not like they turned up for Birds of Prey.

It's mostly three factors:

1. Tax writeoff. They spent about 70 million on it but it'd take another 50 million to market it. Now they don't need to spend even $1 in marketing and they get most of the money spent so far "back."

2. Horrific test screenings. This was not going to be a popular movie. Also, apparently Keaton was only in 3 or 4 scenes?

3. The current bosses want to clean up and consolidate the direction of the DCEU and this would be a big fat blight on it. Better to sweep it aside and do things more in line with their bigger plans.


All of this exactly. The undeniable fundamental truth is that if they thought it was going to make the money now that they were betting on at the height of the woke $#!( zeitgeist they'd release the movie. They don't feel it's worth putting more money into. It's not getting released.

[Autbot_Benz]

Looks like Flash Movie Supergirl might be joining batgirl

Now, the prospect of other DC films being squashed looms. Insiders say Supergirl, which is in development, is not likely to move forward. Sasha Calle, who plays the caped superheroine, is introduced in the upcoming The Flash. Supergirl was going to spin off of the Miller-led tentpole.

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/batgirl-shelved-warner-bros-1392407/

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like Flash Movie Supergirl might be joining batgirl



https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/batgirl-shelved-warner-bros-1392407/

I didn't even know they were planning a movie Supergirl. But if so... it's not looking so great for The Flash. This may end up being one great big enema, WB flushing out all the nonsense.

[CyberCubed]

They were never going to make that Supergirl movie. Wonder Twins was canceled earlier this year, Blue Beetle might be next.

If Shazam 2 wasn't coming out this year that would have been axed too.

[RaphaelinSTL]

This whole thing is wild.

Truthfully outside of Joker and The Batman (2022), I haven't been enjoying DC films for a long, long time ... but I still like to follow the news and what not. It's not the same intention, but this Batgirl movie has so much in common now with that Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie from 1994.

Ultimately, I'm sure this movie just sucked and looked cheap ... so it was easy to throw away.

[Andrew NDB]

If Shazam 2 wasn't coming out this year that would have been axed too.

I doubt it. The first one was popular and these are relatively low cost. Also, harmless to any grander vision and not divisive by any means.

[CyberCubed]

It's ironic the initial backlash to this movie was a black woman cast as Batgirl, or a Batgirl movie in general, and now people are pretending to be "mad" that it was canceled. I get the feeling it could have been a C-tier movie at best if it did come out, so I don't think we missed much. Like it'd be one of those movies you just watch once to see how it is and then never watch it again.

[Andrew NDB]

ywP5IlYW3Z4

So Michelle Pfieffer was in it as Catwoman? Eh... how?

[neatoman]

When will this thing leak?

[Autbot_Benz]

ywP5IlYW3Z4

So Michelle Pfieffer was in it as Catwoman? Eh... how?

no she wasn't in it. Just an Easter egg of Catwoman's mask from Batman Returns


Batgirl Movie Reportedly Included Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman Easter Egg

"They do show Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman mask, which I think is something that fans--" Belloni revealed.

"A nice Easter egg, yeah," Kit echoed.

"Yeah, a nice little Easter egg," Belloni added, before clarifying. "Although Michelle Pfeiffer is not in the movie."

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/batgirl-movie-cancelled-spoilers-michelle-pfeiffer-catwoman-easter-egg/

[Xav]

BATGIRL Star Leslie Grace Could Return As Barbara Gordon In A Future DC Comics Movie

https://comicbookmovie.com/batman/batgirl/batgirl-star-leslie-grace-could-return-as-barbara-gordon-in-a-future-dc-comics-movie-a195272#gs.8d4ptw

[Andrew NDB]

BATGIRL Star Leslie Grace Could Return As Barbara Gordon In A Future DC Comics Movie

https://comicbookmovie.com/batman/batgirl/batgirl-star-leslie-grace-could-return-as-barbara-gordon-in-a-future-dc-comics-movie-a195272#gs.8d4ptw

Kinda figured they'd do that. Imagine the backlash if they were to make a completely different Batgirl project and it be starring a red headed white girl.

[Leo656]

Yeah, unfortunately they're stuck. If they took the role away entirely and gave it to someone else - especially a white person - there'd be Hell to pay online.

It's very hard to get excited at all about movies anymore considering what the people making them prioritize.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, unfortunately they're stuck. If they took the role away entirely and gave it to someone else - especially a white person - there'd be Hell to pay online.

But Babs IS a white person

[Andrew NDB]

But Babs IS a white person

Right and of course she should have been. That's the character, period. But now there is no course correction without social repercussions that will overshadow the course correction itself. I wouldn't even do that if I was Zaslov (recasting her with a white chick, at THIS point). So and so as Batgirl was built into a sh** Batgirl movie. Fine. The parachute out of the ire is to put her in a Batgirl movie that isn't sh**. Or better yet, first establish her in a Batfleck movie then worry about that, which is what they should have done the first time around.

[IMJ]

Yeah, unfortunately they're stuck. If they took the role away entirely and gave it to someone else - especially a white person - there'd be Hell to pay online.

Better to hear online $#!( than lose money on woke $#!(. Maybe studios, Warner at least, is learning that.

[Sumac]

SJW trash already makes conspiracy theories that Zaslav is superultramegaracist who wants to cancel all movies and series with a "diverse" characters.

SJW once again prove they are autistic trash.

[CyberCubed]

I don't mind if some characters are changed races but we have black Catwoman in the Batman movies and now Black Batgirl? Black Commissioner Gordon? And they wanted a black Superman movie? And the Green Lantern series was going to be about Jon Stewart the black Green Lantern? And we have Black Adam played by Dwayne Johnson? That's a whole lot of black. We dodged a bullet with Black Canary not being black, but that would have been too on the nose.

[Autbot_Benz]

We dodged a bullet with Black Canary not being black, but that would have been too on the nose.

Black Canary is black in the movies . unless your being sarcastic.
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