Fear Street Trilogy

[The Deadman]

Who's watched the first 2 Fear Street movies on Netflix? They're incredibly gory and the 2nd one, while it was good, reminded me too much of Friday the 13th mixed with Evil Dead. Who else has watched?

[Allio]

Fine cheesy flick. I think I liked the second out the first two better, but that’s because I think the possessed killers are the best parts. The first film just felt very YA typical but I liked the slasher ghosts.

[The Deadman]

Yeah everyone I've talked to has said the 2nd one is the best out of the 3.

[CyberCubed]

I thought it was really weird they were trying to pass off a lesbian High school romance set in 1994. The girls were written as if they were modern day 2020+ kids....not kids from 1994 where the first movie was set.

Back then you would never see people being openly lesbian in High School, hell even in the early 2000's when I was in High School it wasn't like that. Two girls in a natural lesbian relationship back in 1994...makes no sense. There was no lesbians back then, at least not in High School.

[newfan]

Yeah watched all 3, as a whole not a bad 3 part story. I thought the second was the best also.

[The Deadman]

Cubed confirmed there were no gay people in 1994. This is a new thing, apparently.

[CyberCubed]

Not in High Schools, there wasn't. There were no lesbian schoolgirls in 1994. The girls were written with a 2021 mindset in mind, not how things were in 1994.

[Allio]

Cubed is off his meds again.

[IndigoErth]

I've seen all three, a pretty decent watch overall.

My only complaint really, and found a bit of an odd choice, is using actors from the first two parts to also portray characters in the 3rd without those characters being the direct ancestors of the other ones. Seemed the cop is the only one that was true for? Was expecting the rest to tie together like that, but of course some of them died in their youth.

Spoiler since this is a 3-parter. :)

Speaking as one of those whom 1994 was indeed part of my high school years, yeah, gay/lesbian couples existed in high school back then. Do I recall any that were totally open about that? No, and understandably given the amount of prejudice then vs now, but there was one pair of girls I think most people probably suspected, but didn't question it. Maybe they were just really good friends, but the vibe you get from them kind of felt like it may have been more than that.


Want a real shocker, Cubed... My school had one student a grade ahead of me who today would probably be considered an openly trans girl.

Back then we just saw him as the guy who cross dressed and preferred to identity as a girl, as the whole "trans" term and topic wasn't really around yet. But I have no doubt that she probably went on to continue to live life as a woman after high school. (Luckily the nature of this school allowed this student to more or less get by without much trouble from others compared to how most other schools would be.)


edit: How old were you even in 1994 Cubed? Not like you were anywhere near high school yet, let alone conscious of those topics.

[CyberCubed]

I was 9 years old in 1994. Still, lesbian teenagers weren't much a thing at the time, they weren't when I was in High School in the early 2000's. The movie was written as if they were 2020 High School kids.

There was no lesbians in schools in 1994.

[The Deadman]

So you were 9 in 1994 but somehow know there were no lesbians in high school of all places in '94.

I'm headdesking. Lets get back on topic, lol.

[sdp]

I was a little kid, I would go to bookstores in the mid 90s, Goosebumps was HUGE, we all knew the name of RL Stine. I was always curious about the other books, but they seemed less interesting since they didn't have cartoony looking monsters on the covers. But they sure knew how to market them, RL Stine's name is bigger than the title of the books.

https://imagenes.20minutos.es/files/image_656_370/uploads/imagenes/2020/08/12/fear_street.jpg

Did anyone actually read any of those books as kids? Clearly they were not for someone my age but they also don't seem like they were for teenagers, most likely for tweens and kids who had outgrown goosebumps but were still under 12 I guess. Do these movies actually adapt any books or themes? Were they an anthology series like Goosebumps or did they actually have a storyline?

[Leo656]

I was a Freshman in 1996 and I knew plenty of gay people, guys and girls. Especially in the Drama club, where it seemed like being gay or bi was a requirement for joining. Everybody knew who they were, they didn't exactly go out of their way to hide it.

One time one of my buddies came over on a Satuday, which was a bit surprising because I think he'd been planning on hanging out with this girl we were friends with, or something. So I'm like, "I thought you were hanging out with so-and-so today?" And he's like, "I guess she forgot... I went over there, knocked on the door, nobody answered... I peeked in through the window and (this other girl we knew) was sucking her pussy on the couch. So I figured they were busy, so I just came over here instead." :lol: That story got out, people would kinda tease the two girls about it but they'd just laugh it off. They both still had sex with plenty of the guys at school, but apparently they liked to spend a little time alone together, too. Oh well. Nobody gave a sh*t.

Granted, it was 1996 and not 1994, but I don't think the entire world changed so dramatically in that two-year gap.

Cubed, y'all need Jesus brother.

[Andrew NDB]

All of middle school and high school in my Seattle area there were no gays or lesbians in the schools I attended through 1999. Certainly no lesbians. A couple of girls pretended to be bi, but just to impress guys when they made out with other girls at parties. And dudes, there was just "weird" dudes who people would whisper about "I bet that dude is gay!" but there was never really ever any proof. There was certainly no dudes or chicks holding hands in the hall or anything.

Were there probably gays and lesbians in schools in 1994? Probably. But it definitely wasn't like "proudly celebrated" or normalized by any means. At least out this way, even by 1999.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, there were no open gay/lesbian people in my high school (I was in High school from 2000-2003, so even "later" than you guys in the 90's), and so forth. Sure a couple of girls sometimes made-out with each other, but again that was just to turn guys on or because they dared them to do it...they weren't lesbian/bi-sexual at all.

This movie wrote the two main girls as openly lesbian and proud....in 1994. Again if this movie was set in 2020-2021..it'd be a different thing because the world is different now and these girls would have grown up more exposed to gays. Remember there was also no real internet in 1994, and very few people had home computers back then, so most people also had no idea what was going on outside their specific schoolyard or other gays in other places.

When I was a kid we all knew the phrase, "No homo" and it was a solemn vow made by all kids in the 90's and early 2000's.

[Leo656]

It's almost like different people have different experiences, or something.

In NJ, 1996-2000... lots and lots of gay and bi people. Including some of the teachers. No big deal. No f*cks were given by anyone, ever. "That sh*t's your business."

And I don't care WHERE you lived... if you knew people in Drama Club, you knew gay people. I've talked about the cast parties at my school before; everybody f*cking everybody else like it was backstage at a Fleetwood Mac concert. I'm pretty sure it wasn't only at this one high school. Although to be fair, my school did kick all kinds'a ass. But I refuse to believe these were localized, isolated incidents.

The one situation that caused a ton of gossip, though, was between the head cheerleader and her boyfriend - both of whom were in Drama together as well. They went together for most of high school, couple years, one of those relationships people figure will still be going on after graduation. Senior year, her family goes on vacation to someplace tropic over Spring Break, they take the guy with them because he's "family", you know how it is. She figures he's gonna propose to her... instead, he tells her he's really sorry and still wants to be friends but he's figured out that he's gay and wants to break up. :teek:

I felt bad for her - although I'd asked her out once and she turned me down, so not TOO bad. But oh man, THAT had everybody at school talking for a few weeks. "Did you hear _____ is GAY? He was f*cking the hottest girl in school the last three years, when the f*ck was he ever gay?!" :lol: But sh*t happens. In hindsight, it should've been kinda obvious, I thought; dude dressed way too "clean" and he did kinda have a lisp. Nice guy, though.

There were rumors that she was a little bit "swishy" with some of her girl friends, but that was never corroborated to my knowledge. I know her one friend was openly bi and was TRYING to talk her into hooking up, but I don't know if they ever did.

Sh*t happens. And it happened back then, too. If people weren't talking about it, you probably lived in a place where you'd get beaten up for being "out", so obviously they wouldn't talk about it. Over here, some of the queer folks were some of the most popular kids in school. And again, yes, everybody - everybody - knew they were gay.

I think some of you folks either led sheltered lives OR had your blinders on at times.

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe that's an east coast thing. I was in the drama club in high school and didn't know of anybody. And everything I see of them now on like FB... they all turned out straight.

[Leo656]

Maybe? I don't know, man. So long as there's been an "acting community", huge chunks of that community have been gay. That's never been any secret. High school, local theater, Broadway, Hollywood... tons of gays, always was and always will be. Gay people are attracted to the theater and performing in general. They're flamboyant by nature, so it makes sense.

Lotta the kids in Choir, too. To the point where people jokingly called Choir Club "Queer Club".

Forgot to mention all the lesbians my wife was friends with in high school. I tried to get her to hook up with some of 'em - they were super-hot - but she was never interested. Some of them did hit on her but she wasn't into it. One time I kinda half-jokingly told the one girl I could "fix her" if she gave me a chance, she just pointed at my chick and was like "No thanks, but if she wants to kick it just say when and I'm down!" :lol:

Some of the girls I was really close friends with also knew they were gay but were keeping it under wraps because most of the people we knew were people we'd known for years since we were kids. They didn't want to hook up with someone they went to middle school with, it'd be "awkward". But they were like, "I can't wait to go to college, I am just dying to start f*cking girls already but I don't wanna do it with people I like know, that'd be weird."

Diff'rent strokes to move the world. ((shrug))

As for the ones who "turned out straight", you never know. Most of the people I knew in high school are "straight-married", too... BUT they definitely "experimented" a lot in high school and college. I'm legit surprised at some of them being married to people of the opposite sex, because at one point they definitely "preferred their own kind".

Course, nowadays it's more acceptable to be bi and still marry someone of the opposite sex, too. Just because someone is married, doesn't mean they're "straight". Just saying.

[Turo602]

Cubed must've been one of those kids that got transferred to like every school.

[CyberCubed]

I was in the same High school the whole way through (and Junior and elementary before that).

Somehow even without the internet or cell phones, we all still knew the phrase, "No homo." I don't know if the kids today still say that, probably not, but it was like something EVERYONE said back then.

"No homo." The solemn vow by every 90's and early 2000's kid.

[IndigoErth]

Did anyone actually read any of those books as kids?
Oh yeah, I was in that target age group and still have a handful of them sitting around somewhere. (Then the spinoff Goosebumps came out that more or less targeted my younger sister's group and she had a few of those.) I definitely had some Fear Street books, though whatever they took this 3-part movie from isn't familiar.

R.L. Stine and the Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark books were part of the best era of kid's horror fiction a generation could have had. :D


"No homo." The solemn vow by every 90's and early 2000's kid.
Yeah, I definitely don't recall that being a 90s thing...

[CyberCubed]

"No Homo" was so mainstream it even has a wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_homo

And it's even on dictionary.com:

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/no-homo/

[IndigoErth]

Well it does say it started in your city. I never heard it back then though, def more of a 2000s thing here.

[CyberCubed]

I just meant everywhere. Somehow even before the internet was mainstream and before people had cell phones, a lot of us teens growing up knew about the phrase, "No homo." I don't know how, maybe it spread through TV osmosis or something.

For example if a man would look into another mans eyes while talking too long, the other man might get the wrong idea, so you would say, "No homo" to make your intentions clear.

Or in the locker room when all men are just in their shorts, a man might brush up against another mans leg while walking through the halls by accident (due to it being crowded), and you would say, "No homo" just to be clear you weren't purposely grinding someone in the locket room and it was an accident. It was basically a "safety net" for us men.

[IndigoErth]

Here I thought I lived in a part of the "everywhere." Where, yes, I still didn't hear it back then.

I dunno, I guess you guys were getting into some stuff I wasn't aware of, and then pretending you weren't. I mean, shouldn't the "no homo" thing just be a given...unless it was secretly wanted. :trazz: Come on, those brush ups weren't really accidents, were they; then just say it so no one gets hit.

[The Deadman]

I honestly dont know what Cubed is more interested in, the movies themselves or the fact that they wrote characters in 2021 as lesbians in 1994 and expected it to be accurate.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, it's not as weird as Stranger Things season 3. A proud lesbian out in school at what, like age 15? In like 1983? And everyone's just like, "huh, that's cool I guess, I didn't know"? In like a pretty rural place?

[Turo602]

Maybe Cubed lives in a dome like in The Truman Show which is why his whole world is so small and EVERYONE went to the same 3 schools he's been to.

[Leo656]

In the 80s you could still get beaten up (or worse) for being gay in high school so I agree that a movie or show set in the 80s probably wouldn't have too many openly gay characters. But by the 90s things were a bit different, thankfully.

[CyberCubed]

It was that way through the early 2000's as well. I was in high school from 2000-2003, nobody would have ever admitted they were gay willingly back then in the open. I'm pretty sure it was that way up until at least 2010, as I remember people still using "gay" as an insult all the way up to then even on online forums where most users were still teenagers at the time, so it was what they were used to.