Afghanistan back under Taliban rule

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like that's that.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/kabuls-sudden-fall-to-taliban-ends-us-era-in-afghanistan/ar-AANm2ti?li=BBnb7Kz

“The jury is still out, but the likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely,” Biden said on July 8.

[Vegita-San]

isn't having them all in one easily bombable place a good thing?

[Andrew NDB]

isn't having them all in one easily bombable place a good thing?

Except that it's not a really bombable place. The Taliban are used to burrowing into caves and entrenching in the mountains. Also hiding behind/around innocent civilians.

Also... a month ago Biden said there was "no chance you see people being lifted off the roof in a helicopter" and now this happens:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-month-after-biden-said-there-was-no-chance-you-see-people-being-lifted-off-the-roof-of-a-us-embassy-in-afghanistan-helicopters-rushed-to-evacuate-diplomats/ar-AANlYSo

[oldmanwinters]

I wasn't alive for the fall of Cuba into Castro's Marxism, but there seems to be a number of similarities between Ashraf Ghani and Fulgencio Batista folding like a house of cards under pressure from the insurgents.

Also, good job, Uncle Joe, it only took you 7 months to make the last 20 years of American involvement in that region pointless.

[Vegita-San]

even CNN is apparently turning against him. that's bad in their world.

I picture them in a situation room more worried about 'we can't call them terrorists, what other word can we use?' than actually doing something.

[Sumac]

This **** is bad for everyone: it will popularize being islam terrorist, which will lead to a new wave of acts of terror, not to mention Russia has a terrorist, IS-like state right on its border. And considering Russia has problems with islam terrorism, it means nothing good for our future.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

This is scary. Remember, it wasn't many years ago the number of democracies increased.

We got a world guided by Western democracy, and went on vacation from history.

[Prowler]

So, what were those last 20 years for? They couldn't finish off the Taliban?

I was a kid back in the 90s, but I remember the occasional news we'd get about Afghanistan back when the Talibans ruled there. Basically women being stoned and whipped for not being entirely covered with their burkas. And it was against the law for girls to go to school there. Also, music and art were banned there. It's like there were no leisure activities allowed there. Must have been hell on earth.

Anyway, Afghanistan seems like a very tribal society still. And a place full of corruption and with a medieval level of mentality. Turning it into a normal and functional democratic nation was always going to be a pretty daunting task. It's not exactly a very progressive place. For all we know, a lot of the civilians in the country probably support the Taliban.

[The Deadman]

even CNN is apparently turning against him. that's bad in their world.

I picture them in a situation room more worried about 'we can't call them terrorists, what other word can we use?' than actually doing something.

Calling them what they actually are is far worse than what they actually do. It's why Obama wouldn't mention the words "islamic terrorists" in his 4 years in office....

[IMJ]

Even leftist-caricature-media CNN is smearing their Obama-born court jester of a President....

Biden's botched Afghan exit is a disaster at home and abroad long in the making (https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/16/politics/afghanistan-joe-biden-donald-trump-kabul-politics/index.html)

[Sumac]

So, what were those last 20 years for? They couldn't finish off the Taliban?
In order to finish Taliban for good, USA needed to go at war with a Pakistan, which used Taliban as its proxy army. Pakistan also, US ally and has nuclear weapon, so going at war with it is not a smartest option. Especially since China and Russia are nearby.

So they attempted to make locals fight against Taliban on their own, but locals are corrupted and generally don't give a ****, which means as soon as US troops are out of picture they side with Taliban.

[Vegita-San]

which is why it's hard to believe there ARE any innocents to worry about. the whole place is a write off at this point.

[Sumac]

I would be glad, if major countries let this shithole boil in its own diarrhea, because, unless people of Afgan won't want to help themselves - no-one will. But its existence as a terrorist state, which it will become without a doubt, creates major risk for countries in the region.

[Coola Yagami]

While we're at solving Afagni problems, can like... we send some people over to Mexico to also take care of their cartel problems while they're at it?

[Andrew NDB]

While we're at solving Afagni problems, can like... we send some people over to Mexico to also take care of their cartel problems while they're at it?

I'd be way OK with that. If the cartels are the reason all of the illegal immigrants claim they have to flee to the U.S., it would seem to be in our own best interests to help Mexico pull them out by the roots.

[Coola Yagami]

I'd be way OK with that. If the cartels are the reason all of the illegal immigrants claim they have to flee to the U.S., it would seem to be in our own best interests to help Mexico pull them out by the roots.

Exactly. I mean, they're the main I'd never set foot back there, not even to visit family. I'd like to return with my head attached.

[IndigoErth]

I don't even know what to feel about it anymore. I'm sure many are angry that our people are leaving, but what is the use even? They've had our people (and some other nations) helping them out on our dime for 20 years and in that time their government and military could never get their act together so that at some point they can defend their own nation themselves?

Pointless fight at this point, there is no winning this. You can't win what they themselves won't even fight for. And now their damn president ran off. Cute. I get that the Taliban is dangerous, but imagine giving up on your own nation that easily.

My heart goes out to the innocent people who are stuck in that situation. Mostly at this point I wish all the regular folks who don't deserve to be in that mess could be gotten out of there for the time being and be sheltered in nearby countries for a while. Let the damn terrorist take over and start to feel at ease, letting their guard down, and give any others in the world that want to join them a chance to get over there...then target known locations and bomb the hell out of them.

That or send Covid positive people undercover among them.


While we're at solving Afagni problems, can like... we send some people over to Mexico to also take care of their cartel problems while they're at it?
I have long wondered why we haven't bothered to try to help. People don't like immigrates flooding the border, but it seems pretty clear that maybe if Mexico could get some help in solving those issues and become someplace people don't want to leave it would help us in the long run, too.

You'd think issues with the neighbors on our side of the globe would be higher priority.

[IMJ]

Pointless fight at this point, there is no winning this. You can't win what they themselves won't even fight for. And now their damn president ran off. Cute. I get that the Taliban is dangerous, but imagine giving up on your own nation that easily.

It's not about freeing the Afghans. It's about securing our country after it's been proven that they will attack it using any means necessary to kill civilians.

God you really are arrogant.... and talking about giving up "your own nation" while you support the politics that give rise to these situations is pure evidence of your ability to understand reality.

I have long wondered why we haven't bothered to try to help. People don't like immigrates flooding the border, but it seems pretty clear that maybe if Mexico could get some help in solving those issues and become someplace people don't want to leave it would help us in the long run, too.

Then why don't YOU go, oh virtuous one? There are all sorts of programs given rise through capitalism and humanitarianism that would allow you an outlet for this. Go join the Peace Corps, go to Mexico, help "the people". Why don't you do it instead of being completely full of $#!( and posting routinely uninformed opinions from some stunted perspective here on a Ninja Turtles forum? Christ I'd rather banter with f'n Duckie than read your nonsense. She has some crazy opinions but at least I've never seen her double down on the nonsense and pretend to be deeply informed like you do.

[Leo656]

I have long wondered why we haven't bothered to try to help. People don't like immigrates flooding the border, but it seems pretty clear that maybe if Mexico could get some help in solving those issues and become someplace people don't want to leave it would help us in the long run, too.

Ultimately, it's because people really love cocaine and our own government is in bed with the cartels. The U.S. government makes billions of dollars a year funneling imported drugs back into the streets of our own country. That's why we don't crack down on immigrants harder - the fact that they're bringing in drugs is a huge "Yeah, No Sh*t Sherlock" situation - and it's why we don't do more to "help" Mexico fix its situation. Because more people get rich that way.

It's a gross situation, but it's ultimately one of Supply & Demand. For better or worse, people absolutely f*cking LOVE drugs. And as long as there's money to be made ain't nobody "fixing" sh*t.

[oldmanwinters]

The Twitter video clips (https://twitter.com/AsvakaNews/status/1427206845706379266?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1427206845706379266%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fka bul-airport-people-fall-from-planes-leaving-afghanistan-videos-photos-2021-8) of Afghans trying to latch onto escaping US Air Force boggle my mind. Never thought I'd see something like that.
https://www.businessinsider.com/kabul-airport-people-fall-from-planes-leaving-afghanistan-videos-photos-2021-8?utm_source=yahoo.com&utm_medium=referral

[MsMarvelDuckie]

It's not about freeing the Afghans. It's about securing our country after it's been proven that they will attack it using any means necessary to kill civilians.

God you really are arrogant.... and talking about giving up "your own nation" while you support the politics that give rise to these situations is pure evidence of your ability to understand reality.



Then why don't YOU go, oh virtuous one? There are all sorts of programs given rise through capitalism and humanitarianism that would allow you an outlet for this. Go join the Peace Corps, go to Mexico, help "the people". Why don't you do it instead of being completely full of $#!( and posting routinely uninformed opinions from some stunted perspective here on a Ninja Turtles forum? Christ I'd rather banter with f'n Duckie than read your nonsense. She has some crazy opinions but at least I've never seen her double down on the nonsense and pretend to be deeply informed like you do.


Ah, there's the pot. Kettle says hi.

[IndigoErth]

If that was directed at me, someone feel free to convince IMJ that no one is forcing him to read my posts. Even put me on ignore if he's that bothered. Then offer him a bucket of ice water to cool his ass in.

https://y.yarn.co/69abaf8e-4043-40e6-8487-7764c8c8091f_text.gif

[mrmaczaps]

The US could always just take over Mexico and make Mexico America.... then all those illegals would be citizens, free to pay taxes & all that fun sh!t... [half serious here as it would be better in a way than just letting democrats bus the d@mn terrorists here anyways...] And as far as the Middle East, we should have turned that area into a giant glass parking lot 2 decades ago. Problem solved. Probably even less deaths too. [Not really serious here.] Ready or not, here comes the Boom! :tlol:

But Republicans & independents are the terrorists according to Joe Pedo & co...

[CyberCubed]

Breaking Bad taught me that all Mexicans sell and produce Crystal Meth.

[Leo656]

The US could always just take over Mexico and make Mexico America.... then all those illegals would be citizens, free to pay taxes & all that fun sh!t... [half serious here as it would be better in a way than just letting democrats bus the d@mn terrorists here anyways...] And as far as the Middle East, we should have turned that area into a giant glass parking lot 2 decades ago. Problem solved. Probably even less deaths too. [Not really serious here.] Ready or not, here comes the Boom! :tlol:

But Republicans & independents are the terrorists according to Joe Pedo & co...

I mean, the thing nobody really likes to talk about is that one day, whether it's tomorrow or 100 years from now, something like that IS going to have to happen, in either case. It's inevitable. It's just that nobody wants to be the one to instigate it, because those solutions would be "mean" and heavy-handed. Even though they are in fact necessary solutions.

People don't like to admit it, but you can't look the other way and keep saying "Well, that's just their culture" FOREVER as countries commit massive human rights violations against their own people (and occasionally against other people). Eventually, those countries WILL have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern era and huge chunks of their respective "culture" are going to have to be put to bed for the good of the majority.

The only questions are When, and how much bloodshed will there be when it finally gets to that point. But when people just shrug with regard to places like Afghanistan and Mexico and say, "Well, we've got no business trying to 'fix' it anyways, that's their business"... that's defeatist and enabling. The fact is those places can't be allowed to continue on as they have. SOMEBODY has to fix it, and one day, they will. Probably not in any of our lifetimes, but eventually it has to happen.

It IS going to be a huge and bloody mess when that time comes, though. That's unavoidable. What we've been doing for the last couple of decades Over There... half-measures, at best. It's not that there ISN'T a proper solution, it's that someone would need to have the balls big enough to completely upturn the status quo AND be willing to shrug off a gigantic mountain of criticism they'd be inviting in the process. Like they'd have to be okay with being labelled a super-villain for the rest of their lives, in exchange for being vindicated a hundred years in the future after it all worked out for the best. I don't think anyone like that exists yet. Most politicians don't have the "vision" to see beyond the next election; that's generally why nothing important ever gets done.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, the thing nobody really likes to talk about is that one day, whether it's tomorrow or 100 years from now, something like that IS going to have to happen, in either case.

I don't see it. We don't want Mexico.

[Leo656]

I don't see it. We don't want Mexico.

Not as it presently exists, no.

But at SOME point someone is gonna have to roust the cartels and give those people such "luxuries" as flushing toilets and clean drinking water. Things can't stay the way they are forever.

I think what it will come down to is less having to do with them having anything of value to us specifically, and more with Us being sick and tired of such embarrassment as what goes on down there taking place in essentially our own backyard. Like taking it upon yourself to mow your neighbor's lawn when they're out of town, throwing out all the beer cans and empty bottles and such; they didn't ask you to do it, and there's no real benefit to you, but it's overgrown and unkempt and it just makes everyone on the street look bad by association, so you just do what needs to be done since they can't be bothered to care.

I mean think about it; you've got L.A., which despite being a cesspool of another kind is still more or less the shining beacon for 21st-century living. And then just a few hours south, you've got a country full of people where tons of them don't even have stable electricity or running water. That's a goddamn joke, an embarrassment, and it shouldn't be that way.

And it's very easily fixable. Somebody just has to say "Enough is Enough" and actually commit to fixing it. BUT... we're in bed with the drug barons, so we continue to look the other way because Status Quo makes the most people rich. If we actually wanted it fixed, it'd be fixed.

One day. Not tomorrow, but eventually.

[The Deadman]

Of course the US govt is in bed with some of the drug cartels in Mexico, why do you think some politicians want to decriminalize all the major drugs in this country?

[IMJ]

Of course the US govt is in bed with some of the drug cartels in Mexico, why do you think some politicians want to decriminalize all the major drugs in this country?

-ouch-

What politicians want to do that? :lol:

[Sumac]

-ouch-

What politicians want to do that? :lol:
DemocRATs, of course.
They have already legalized Marijuana.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Funny, but Netherlands and most of the Nordic countries beat us to it LONG ago. And seem to be doing quite well as a result. Fewer addicts, fewer people in jail, etc....

[Sumac]

Funny, but Netherlands and most of the Nordic countries beat us to it LONG ago. And seem to be doing quite well as a result. Fewer addicts, fewer people in jail, etc....
Not anymore:
Heady days of Amsterdam's drug culture turn bad as hard stuff brings violence and corruption (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-drugs-idUSKCN1VI1OJ)

Why The Netherlands Is Becoming A Narco State (https://www.addictioncenter.com/news/2020/01/netherlands-narco-state/?__cf_chl_captcha_tk__=pmd_b964b2df5d88164b2be2971 67ec0d788495a56d2-1629218924-0-gqNtZGzNAuKjcnBszQii)

Netherlands: The possible consequences of liberal drugs policies
The drug mafia can pervade everything if you give it enough scope: The Netherlands has turned into one of the largest exporters of synthetic drugs, partly because of its drug policies, says Anabel Hernández. (https://www.dw.com/en/netherlands-the-possible-consequences-of-liberal-drugs-policies/a-51474578)

See, when you legalize something that previously was a criminal offense, it doesn't remove the problem: its just enhances demand, which at some point outgrows supply and, voila, criminals enter the scene and the whole thing once again become used buy crime cartels and corrupted bureaucrats.

This is the same reason why legalizing prostitutions is a bad idea. It won't save anyone, it will just make demand for prostitutes bigger. You can figure out consequences yourself. If you care, that is.

[The Deadman]

Funny, but Netherlands and most of the Nordic countries beat us to it LONG ago. And seem to be doing quite well as a result. Fewer addicts, fewer people in jail, etc....

Yeah, because heroin addicts will stop being heroin addicts if the drug is made legal....

[The Deadman]

-ouch-

What politicians want to do that? :lol:

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/15/22533396/democrats-congress-decriminalization-marijuana-drug-policy-reform-act

https://www.thegazette.com/staff-columnists/iowa-democrats-infamous-legalize-all-drugs-stance-is-aging-well/

Theyve been at this sh*t for years.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah, because heroin addicts will stop being heroin addicts if the drug is made legal....


They approached it as an illness, TREATING the addiction rather than punishing it. It was working, too, by all accounts. Might have changed more recently, but I don't keep constant tabs, so, ??? I know the number of addicts WAS going down because they could get treatment instead of being treated like criminals for just using it.

[D-ray]

I'm not really informed about the whole "Talibans are bacc" thing, I just heard something from the news of my country.

According to what I know, I think it's good that they got the government. The biggest problem with countries like these, is that they never had the possibility to grow as countries because they ALWAYS had an external enemy creating problems with them.
Yeah, Talibans are bad, but alot of bad people reached the government in other countries during history, so those countries just need to let them do what they want, and if they do something stupid, the ones who live there will fight them.

Having to rely on other countries constantly, won't make them "grow up".
They have to fight their own wars, as sad as it sounds.
I think it's good that America finally made their military retreat, because it was just a continuous struggle with no end, making lots of soldiers die for basically nothing.

Again, I'm not REALLY informed on this, so take my idea as a poorly made opinion.

[Leo656]

Addiction is not an illness, it's the culmination of a series of poor life choices combined with a strong, nearly iron-clad selfish streak. One constant among all "addicts" is the fact that they put their own comfort and happiness far above that of everyone around them, including their families.

Put simply, all addicts are to some degree simply narcissists. In that they only care about themselves, not who they hurt. And they use things like "Bad Things Happened To Me" or "I Am In Pain" as excuses to justify their own bad behavior and poor choices.

I know this because I grew up in a family of addicts and surrounded by many more of them outside my immediate family. If the "Genetic Predisposition" thing were true, then I'd be lying in some hovel somewhere with a needle in my arm and a bottle of cheap booze in my hand, because I promise you, few people you know had more cokeheads, junkies, and alcoholics in their immediate and extended families than I have. And drugs were CONSTANTLY available to me so the temptation was always there. And as far as using "trauma" as an excuse to "self-medicate", without throwing a Pity Party I can assert that I've got most people beat there, as well. I was physically and emotionally abused quite often as a child, primarily by those same "addicts", which continued well into adulthood.

I also spent two weeks in a rehab facility several years ago (not for addiction, but for reasons of mental health, but they put everyone in together), and got to know several people who were at various stages of their own "addiction". To a man, several of them would admit during quiet moments, "It's all a lie. We know exactly what we're doing, we're just selfish. That's all it is. We lie and say we're powerless to control ourselves, but the truth is, it's just easier this way. We don't want to deal with Real Life, and we're too ashamed to look in the mirror, so we drink or we do drugs and we SAY we can't change, but it's bullsh*t. We can when we WANT to... but for now it's just easier this way."

The ONLY people who ever reach and maintain "sobriety", are the ones who will come clean and admit to that fact. Enabling them does nothing, nor does writing it off as some "disease" they have no control over. ALL of that is nonsense. You simply have to CARE that your actions and behavior are killing you and hurting the people closest to you. You have to CARE that your kid can't go to college because you spent their entire savings on drugs. You have to CARE that the kid you beat bloody simply for being in the room during your Bad Mood is going to have scars both physical and mental for the rest of their life. You have to CARE that your family is going to be homeless because you simply stopped paying bills because you were more concerned about a fix.

If you care, you can find the strength to get clean and stay that way. You don't need to be a super-hero. I'm not. I just have common sense. I simply looked around at all the terrible people I was surrounded by and said, "I want nothing to do with these people or their 'lifestyle'." This is why I'm one of the very few people in my immediate family who isn't "an addict". I can drink without getting blackout drunk... because I have common sense, and because I don't use drinking as a way to run away from my life or my Very Real problems, all of which are only made worse by adding being constantly drunk on top of them. To say nothing of what sticking chemicals in your arm or up your nose will do.

Others in my family? They choose to perpetuate the cycle, mostly. "My parents were mean to me, so now I get drunk/high and be mean to my own kids. It's only fair!" To me, this is the very definition of blindness, or selfish, uncaring narcissism. "This behavior makes ME feel better, everyone else can get f*cked." Stupid.

Like seriously, how stupid does a person have to be, knowing what we know Now, to dabble in things like heroin or cocaine, knowing full well what happens to 99% of the people who do? We're not talking about smoking a joint and eating a whole box of Pop Tarts, we're talking about Real Drugs and what they do to people. Knowing what's on the other side, why would anyone go that route, and further, once they become "addicted" why should we feel sorry for them? It was their own stupid choices that put them in the position they're in. It's not like they didn't know what they were getting themselves into.

The ONLY "addicts" I feel even a little bit sorry for, are the people who get addicted to opiate pain medication while under their doctor's care and then struggle to get clean or end up falling into harder stuff when their script runs out. Because those people were misled by people they trusted to keep them well who ultimately cared more about profits than they did about human life. I think we've all seen the news enough over the last two decades to know that irresponsible over-prescription of opiates IS a very real problem which many people in turn have ended up suffering from.

But even then, at the same time, a little self-awareness and common sense could still have helped SOME of those people not to fall into the trap, if they hadn't blindly followed bad advice given to them by a "trusted" medical professional. To again speak from experience: Once upon a time, I crushed (not "broke", literally crushed) part of my finger at work and had to undergo some reconstructive surgery on it. I was prescribed an antibiotic ("So it won't get infected and kill you"), and Oxycontin, aka "Heroin's Next-Door Neighbor", the very same drug that pushed so many unsuspecting people into becoming full-blown drug addicts. I was resistant to this, but the doctors were insistent; "You're going to need it, you're going to be in SO much pain during your recovery that without the pain medicine you won't even be able to function. Just take it as directed and you won't have any problems." Which I'm sure is what EVERYONE is told, and yet...

I never even finished the first prescription. Having never taken opiates before, I immediately felt the side effects, and I couldn't stand them. I never took a single extra pill - and would in fact sometimes skip a dose - because I couldn't handle the nausea, the "numb" feeling, the mental fogginess, or the spur-of-the-moment mood swings. One day, I just stopped taking them altogether and decided that living with the pain (which never got as bad as they swore it would) was preferable.

But see, if I'd done what I was told by my doctors - or ended up taking "Just one extra pill here and there" like so many other people do - I might've ended up "an addict". I made a choice. I didn't like what my "professionally-prescribed medicine" was doing to me, so I decided to advocate for myself and stop taking it before I ended up doing real damage to myself. I'm convinced that anyone in my situation could have done the same thing, IF they were self-aware enough.

Moral of the Story: Every single "addict" has an origin story where at some point, "I knew what I was doing was wrong... I just didn't care."

That's not a "disease". That is A Choice.

[Sumac]

That's not a "disease". That is A Choice.
Amazing post!

Also, it is the same conclusion I came to after having my own experiences with addicts: if they don't help themselves to get back on their feet, no amount of pleading, logic, rationale, will help. Basically they should stop being being selfish trash and face reality that they are killing themselves and hurting people close to them. But that is something ONLY THEM can do. No interference from the outside can stop it. I can attest to it.

Of course, in a modern West it is not rewarded, because, modern West is all about personal gratification, consequences be damned. You want to dress like a dumb parrot with dildo up your ass? Yes, please! You want to chop your balls, because, you think there is a cute girl inside of your head? Yes, please! You want to pretend that you are loser, because, of rare mental syndrome or impossible gender and not, because, you are worthless parasite with no skills? You got it!

World of selfish imbeciles. But such worlds don't live for long.

[Andrew NDB]

The same people who refuse to believe drug addicts should be criminalized are the same people who refuse to believe if there was universal health care, bunches of dregs wouldn't just sit at home and do nothing. Very enlightened people. You know what these people also have in common, the ones who refuse to believe? They've never met people in either category (OR belong to the second category themselves).

Also a little alarming that Biden keeps pretending the Afghanistan army didn't ever fight back and are cowards, and that Afghanistan was like this pit of neverending war and US soldier deaths. In the past 7 years alone, only about 100 US soldiers were killed... but 50,000 Afghani soldiers were killed. And for 20 years they've been trained to act militarily in concert with the US military, never solo. So it's a bit like teaching someone to swim, then taking away their life jacket. Also they never figured out how to actually pay these Afghani soldiers without the US involvement... so with the pullout they were literally just volunteers.

[1987]

I call on Joe Biden to resign in disgrace!

Worst US President ever, EEEEEEEVVVVER!!!!!!

A sitting US President cannot do this much damage to America in his first 7 months unless it’s being done on purpose.

Biden intentionally armed the Taliban and is now sending our Military back in to defend Kabul against those weapons. And this is after he mandated all Military must be vaxxed and transgenders are allowed in. *Biden and his Homeland Security are calling us terrorists if we read the Bible, question the 2020 election results or refuse the vaccine. *Biden shut down American oil pipelines and allowed Russia to build one across Europe leading to skyrocketing fuel prices in the US. *Biden was handed the most secure Southern Border in history and opened the floodgates for dangerous illegals. *Obama released terrorists from GTMO, one of them is now running Afghanistan thanks to Biden and his handlers. Joe Biden sold his soul and the United States to China.

Biden voters, you asked for this. Own it, eat it.

[Andrew NDB]

Biden voters, you asked for this. Own it, eat it.

The woke people don't care. If it's not identity politics or canceling people for wrongspeak or pushing LatinX stuff then they aren't interested.

[1987]

The woke people don't care. If it's not identity politics or canceling people for wrongspeak or pushing LatinX stuff then they aren't interested.

true, though noticing on twitter that some of them actually do have “biden remorse”, but probably most of them will stick to their beliefs, they’re in too deep.

the hurt feelings police, sissification and indoctrination is being forced on high school kids. i graduated 2005, mask mandates wouldn’t of worked then, kids were badasses, less censorship in media, nobody would of complied or listened to teacher. in my last couple years of high school they started an anti-bullying campaign, and introduced “challenge day”, a day dedicated to be against bullying and doing something kind for others. look where that’s got us now, indoctrination, virtue signaling, and sissification where the top priorities for these people is identity politics.

[IndigoErth]

Biden voters, you asked for this. Own it, eat it.

Hate to break it to you, and since he's out you might want to pretend it never happened... but this exact same thing would still be happening had Trump been reelected because he was making deals with terrorists, not Afghanistan's government, to pull our people out in May. Is it uncomfortable to think he also planned (though later canceled) to have them come to the U.S. and meet at Camp David?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51689443

Afghan conflict: US and Taliban sign deal to end 18-year war

29 February 2020

The US and the Taliban have signed an "agreement for bringing peace" to Afghanistan after more than 18 years of conflict.

The US and Nato allies have agreed to withdraw all troops within 14 months if the militants uphold the deal.

President Trump said it had been a "long and hard journey" in Afghanistan. "It's time after all these years to bring our people back home," he said.

Talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban are due to follow.

Under the agreement, the militants also agreed not to allow al-Qaeda or any other extremist group to operate in the areas they control.

Speaking at the White House, Mr Trump said the Taliban had been trying to reach an agreement with the US for a long time.

He said US troops had been killing terrorists in Afghanistan "by the thousands" and now it was "time for someone else to do that work and it will be the Taliban and it could be surrounding countries".

"I really believe the Taliban wants to do something to show we're not all wasting time," Mr Trump added. "If bad things happen, we'll go back with a force like no-one's ever seen."

Within the first 135 days of the deal the US will reduce its forces in Afghanistan to 8,600, with allies also drawing down their forces proportionately.

The move would allow US President Donald Trump to show that he has brought troops home ahead of the US presidential election in November.

The deal also provides for a prisoner swap. Some 5,000 Taliban prisoners and 1,000 Afghan security force prisoners would be exchanged by 10 March, when talks between the Taliban and the Afghan government are due to start.




https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-says-he-had-a-good-talk-on-phone-with-taliban-leader-2020-03-03

“We had a very good conversation with the leader of the Taliban today, and they’re looking to get this ended, and we’re looking to get it ended. I think we all have a very common interest,” Trump said. “We had, actually, a very good talk with the leader of the Taliban.”

“The relationship is very good that I have with the mullah,” Trump said. “We had a good long conversation today and, you know, they want to cease the violence. They’d like to cease violence also.”


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-afghanistan-taliban-trump/trump-hails-afghanistan-deal-plans-to-meet-taliban-leaders-soon-idUSKBN20N0YU

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would be personally meeting leaders of the Taliban in the near future and rejected criticism of a deal that the United States signed with the insurgents in Afghanistan.


Trump calls off secret Camp David meeting with Taliban, Afghan leaders (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/09/08/trump-calls-off-secret-camp-david-meeting-with-taliban-afghan-leaders/)

The Taliban on Trump: "We hope he will win the election" and withdraw U.S. troops (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/)

Own it, eat it.
Eat your own words and try not to choke on them.



What has happened is terrible, and I guess we probably shouldn't have decided to leave without ensuring that darn Afghanistan could actually stand in their own feet, but if they never would and were unable to even after 20 years of help... then what? Your tax dollars keep going there forever because the place can't succeeded on its own? When did the Right stop chanting "America first"? Even if we didn't leave, the Taliban would no doubt have still flipped out over then breaking the promise they had with Trump.

Get the good people out and then let the rest of the world play target practice and end the Taliban. ISIS is elsewhere, I think? How do we convince them to go there, too...

[Andrew NDB]

Trump did plan and agree to leave on 5/1. But even if he'd kept to that, there's every reason to believe he'd have planned the exit strategy with far greater care (you know, as in any). You really think Trump would have left tens of billions of dollars of tanks, aircraft, and weaponry behind... and just shrugging about it when the Taliban started rolling around in them? To name just one thing?

Again, the Afghani army wasn't ever being trained to be self sufficient. Ever. Part of their whole day to day operations was relying on US air support and maintenance. And when Biden pulled everybody out, he even took away the civilian contractors -- the only people with any clue how to maintain or supply any of the aircraft we left for the Taliban. Stories coming in now that the Afghani army was going on Zoom calls with the contractors to figure out basic "how tos" that they had never been taught while the Taliban closed in. And again, they never even figured out how to PAY the Afghani army/soldiers... so when we left they were basically just being asked to volunteer out of pocket. Um...

I mean, should the Afghani army basically been forced to take a bigger hands-on role with all of the craft and such being gifted to them? Sure. But Biden could have been doing that the last 9 months. Not nothing.

[1987]

Hate to break it to you, and since he's out you might want to pretend it never happened... but this exact same thing would still be happening had Trump been reelected because he was making deals with terrorists, not Afghanistan's government, to pull our people out in May. Is it uncomfortable to think he also planned (though later canceled) to have them come to the U.S. and meet at Camp David?
..


Biden abandoned Trump’s peace plan & exit strategy and haphazardly created his own. Biden is FULLY responsible for this wreck. He also abandoned 11,000 troops in Afghanistan, leaving them at the mercy of the taliban. Pure evil.

https://newspress.com/11000-americans-remain-in-afghanistan/

You can try and prop up dementia Joe and defend his actions all you want, but that’s gonna get harder and harder to do.

[IndigoErth]

You really think the Taliban would not have taken advantage either way and trust them to have kept the deal they supposedly made with Trump? Come on... Once we were out of the way they were likely going to try to take over no matter what. This would have likely resulted in the same outcome no matter if under Biden or Trump.

And lets be honest, Trump himself wasn't exactly a good strategist either and was quick to replace anyone who didn't go along with his own ideas, so there is no telling how that really would have gone down.

Afghanistan definitely needed more prep before we decided to walk away, but after 20 years... they had plenty time and should not have assumed we'd be there doing this for them forever. Although we aren't the only country walking away either.

[Galactus]

Tragic.

Truth is the US (and the UK) never should have been there in the first place. The catch 22 is that everyone agrees we couldn't stay there forever but everyone also agrees that as soon as we left it was inevitable that the Taliban would take over again - it was just a question of how long it would take them.

The speed in which they have taken over is quite shocking. I see no point in arguing whether Trump's exit strategy would've been better than Biden's - I'm no military strategist but all the ones I've seen discuss seem to agree it was a matter of weeks or months in regards to how long it would take them to take over.

Another thing that everyone seems to agree on is that the Afghan government that the US set up was incredibly weak and I'm hearing a lot of talk that the Afghan military wasn't anywhere near as trained up as we'd been led to believe. If that's true what the hell has been going on over there for 21 years? That's a failing the Biden, Trump, Obama and W. Bush administrations.

Also I don't truck with talk of how terrible Afghanistan is as a country. For certain period in it's history Afghanistan has been quite liberal for an Islamic country. Alcohol, women's education, tolerance for other religions etc. Heck despite it being a major campaign promise to leave he was persuaded to stay by being shown an old photo of Afghan women wearing mini skirts as proof it could be turned into a nice ally to the America.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I hope America stays out of Afghanistan. "Muh women" is quite ironic for America to moan about considering how many women have been killed by America's strategic bombing campaigns in the country.

[1987]

You really think the Taliban would not have taken advantage either way and trust them to have kept the deal they supposedly made with Trump? Come on... Once we were out of the way they were likely going to try to take over no matter what. This would have likely resulted in the same outcome no matter if under Biden or Trump.

well they know Trump kills terrorists, took down ISIS, killed ISIS leader solemeini, so yeah they probably would of thought twice about taking over Afghanistan if Trump was still President. biden on the other hand armed them, our woke antitrump military sissified the Afghan military and they were easily taken over by taliban. terrorists were afraid of Trump, they laugh at biden, the whole world is laughing now.

biden is a laughingstock

I call on Joe Biden to resign in disgrace!

[Andrew NDB]

well they know Trump kills terrorists, took down ISIS, killed ISIS leader solemeini, so yeah they probably would of thought twice about taking over Afghanistan if Trump was still President. biden on the other hand armed them, our woke antitrump military sissified the Afghan military and they were easily taken over by taliban. terrorists were afraid of Trump, they laugh at biden, the whole world is laughing now.

biden is a laughingstock

I call on Joe Biden to resign in disgrace!

And if foreign countries didn't know that Biden is a paperweight beforehand... they can be 200% reassured now. China is already circling Taiwan, citing that they better capitulate to them because the U.S. sure ain't gonna get in their way.

[IndigoErth]

well they know Trump kills terrorists, took down ISIS, killed ISIS leader solemeini, so yeah they probably would of thought twice about taking over Afghanistan if Trump was still President. biden on the other hand armed them, our woke antitrump military sissified the Afghan military and they were easily taken over by taliban. terrorists were afraid of Trump, they laugh at biden, the whole world is laughing now.

biden is a laughingstock

I call on Joe Biden to resign in disgrace!

Sure... and Obama was just as accredited for taking down the Taliban's big gun and others, equally a terrorist killer from the safety of the White House like Trump, but did that make the Taliban dissolve? Of course not. Likewise when Bush put our people out there and killed many. Still didn't stop them. They're terrorists... they're crazy and their own people are expendable cannon fodder, so they don't care what we do. (I mean, these ARE the kind of people who would have someone, even a woman, strap bombs to themselves and go on a suicide mission.) There's no reason they'd care what Trump does or how he'd shake his fist at them.

[Sumac]

And if foreign countries didn't know that Biden is a paperweight beforehand... they can be 200% reassured now. China is already circling Taiwan, citing that they better capitulate to them because the U.S. sure ain't gonna get in their way.
And if you think why Putin acts so bold with his tyranny, well, the same reason: Biden is nobody to him.

[Mayhem]

Sure... and Obama was just as accredited for taking down the Taliban's big gun and others, equally a terrorist killer from the safety of the White House like Trump, but did that make the Taliban dissolve? Of course not. Likewise when Bush put our people out there and killed many. Still didn't stop them. They're terrorists... they're crazy and their own people are expendable cannon fodder, so they don't care what we do. (I mean, these ARE the kind of people who would have someone, even a woman, strap bombs to themselves and go on a suicide mission.) There's no reason they'd care what Trump does or how he'd shake his fist at them.
Precisely. You only win by killing the idea as well, and I'm not sure that's possible. See the US and Vietnam too.

[ZariusTwo]

Their idea is a spiritual one. One cannot kill the idea of God or the promise of paradise.

[sdp]

https://i.imgur.com/0Dzm2Uk.jpg

[Sumac]

Their idea is a spiritual one. One cannot kill the idea of God or the promise of paradise.
More precisely, belief in deities based on fear of death and promise of eternal life, which is basically impossible to remove from humans.

[IndigoErth]

At least not anytime soon. Maybe in 1000 years the amount who have put such beliefs away will be a bit more substantial...if humanity doesn't off itself over it beforehand.

[IMJ]

https://i.imgur.com/0Dzm2Uk.jpg

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

At least not anytime soon. Maybe in 1000 years the amount who have put such beliefs away will be a bit more substantial...if humanity doesn't off itself over it beforehand.

Well atheists have terrible birthrates so I doubt it.

[IndigoErth]

Lack of belief isn't passed through genetics, so that doesn't even matter.


I've never gotten the impression really that any non-theists (atheists or otherwise) want to take over the world and make everyone like us. I'm sure there are some out there, but they are probably a small minority. More-so a lot of us probably just wish for theists, esp certain factions of some religions, to chill the hell out.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Lack of belief isn't passed through genetics, so that doesn't even matter.

Not through genetics, but through family teaching. I've noticed you say "it doesn't even matter" for a lot of things too, just an observation of mine.

[IndigoErth]

Sure, family teaching, but you think that sticks forever? Not to stress out theists or anything... Probably all non-theists come from families who used to follow a religion at one time, whether they are the first to quit it or not.

I'm not the first. Why did mine walk away from it? Dunno. Mom's side was Presbyterian, at least via my Grandmother's line out of Scotland. My grandparents never once spoke of religion, deities, or the like. No crosses or other religious tokens displayed anywhere. They were originally from Kansas, and family from other parts of the Midwest before them. The bible belt of all places. How or why they gave up religion is unknown. I think family were probably going through the motions of it for a while, keeping up on what was socially expected, until just giving it up.

Dad's side is a split between those who believe none of it and those who believe all of it. Not quite sure how that happened. We avoid that topic.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Sure, family teaching, but you think that sticks forever?

Good question.

Obviously depends on a multitude of factors, with one having influenced your family towards non-belief being the fact that at its very core, the United States is fundamentally atheistic with "Congress shall pass no law respecting the establishment of religion". The society you come from does not respect religion as an establishment, so religion's influence on American society has declined considerably with time, with many things being legal today that were unthinkable in the past.

The United States isn't just going to keep its ideology of "freedom from state religion" to itself though, it always tries to spread it to other countries. Hence, the mass bombing campaigns of the Middle East, invasions, economic sanctions of countries that do not agree with its ideology etc.

But the United States will ultimately fail in its quest to wipe out state religions, Islam specifically. No amount of air raids and invasions were able to wipe out the Taliban in 20 years, and they are only a tiny portion of the Muslim world.

[Sumac]

Well atheists have terrible birthrates so I doubt it.
And not atheists multiply like rabbits, which negatively impacts quality of life in those countries, turning them into terrorist shitholes. Or just shitholes.

[Galactus]

well they know Trump kills terrorists, took down ISIS, killed ISIS leader solemeini, so yeah they probably would of thought twice about taking over Afghanistan if Trump was still President. biden on the other hand armed them, our woke antitrump military sissified the Afghan military and they were easily taken over by taliban. terrorists were afraid of Trump, they laugh at biden, the whole world is laughing now.

biden is a laughingstock

I call on Joe Biden to resign in disgrace!

It's perfectly fine to not like Joe Biden. He was far from many peoples perfect choice on the left so it's not like a huge dunk to point out he isn't perfect. This kind of living in bizarro world were the fat sack of custard that was Trump was respected on the global stage though is ridiculous. The level of disillusion among Trump supporters is so extreme they've even turned on institutions that they used to doggedly support. They disagreed with him on many things and didn't launch a coup to keep him in power so the US military is now 'woke'. Police Officers that were caught up in the capital riots and testifying that it was MAGAs are now traitors, blue lives no longer matter I guess. :roll:

I highly doubt any terrorist organisation feared Trump, it was in 2018 that he greatly strengthened the Taliban by negotiating the release of 5000 of the Taliban prisoners from Pakistan including their leader. Trump was their greatest gift in a long time. Trump's motivation for doing so was to delay any kind of invasion of Afghanistan. Best case scenario is that it put it off until his second term were it wouldn't harm his re-election chances and worst case scenario it shifts the problem to whoever succeeded him as president which is what ended up happening. That doesn't sound like someone tough on terrorism.

And just like every other president turned a blind eye to Saudi Arabia being the country most guilty of being a terrorist breeding ground. His bigoted Muslim ban was supposed to be justified as an attempt to curb radical Islamic terrorism but he wouldn't ban the worst offenders.

And if you think why Putin acts so bold with his tyranny, well, the same reason: Biden is nobody to him.

As opposed to having a stooge in Trump.

[Sumac]

But the United States will ultimately fail in its quest to wipe out state religions, Islam specifically. No amount of air raids and invasions were able to wipe out the Taliban in 20 years, and they are only a tiny portion of the Muslim world.
They failed because of very tangible reason, which has nothing to do with religion: support of Taliban by the Pakistan, who wants to use Afghanistan as a base for flexing their power around the Central Asia and former Soviet republics.

If you seriously believe that Pakistan or any other theocratic state motivated by religion and their leaders seriously observe their own rules - you are incredibly naïve.

As opposed to having a stooge in Trump.
Proves, links, my dear?
Or you still have only hearsay ordered by DemocRATic party based on tales of ex-Russian officer?

And just to remind you, Trump didn't hesitate to gave order to kill Russian PMC in Syria. Neither he hesitated to implement harsher sanctions against Russia. I agree, that he could and should have done much more, but it seems, despite all his posturing about American Supremacy he was not a complete war hawk, which is sad, since West could use more people like that now.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

They failed because of very tangible reason, which has nothing to do with religion: support of Taliban by the Pakistan, who wants to use Afghanistan as a base for flexing their power around the Central Asia and former Soviet republics.

I'm not discounting material aid, but religion does play a role. It has provided the Taliban with morale, so everytime the West bombs them and kills hundreds of their fighters, they become even more determined and fanatical.

Compare this to the Afghan "government" army. More ground troops than the Taliban, more advanced weaponry and an airforce, yet they capitulated so easily.

If you seriously believe that Pakistan or any other theocratic state motivated by religion and their leaders seriously observe their own rules - you are incredibly naïve.

They don't observe their own rules well enough, and many of these leaders are political opportunists who don't really have any true loyalty to Islam.

And not atheists multiply like rabbits, which negatively impacts quality of life in those countries, turning them into terrorist sh*tholes. Or just sh*tholes.

People from these same countries are now taking over Europe lol. No military invasion needed, they will simply be welcomed with open arms because the Europeans can't rely on their own people to sustain themselves.

[1987]

so we’ve got a skinhead threatening to bomb the capitol just when joe biden needs to switch the narrative... false flag much?

i guess white supremacy is the biggest threat to America and not the taliban terrorists and thousands of Afghan “refugees” being brought in, or the southern border crisis, or somali terrorists like ilhan omar being installed in congress.

never forget joe biden was installed behind 15 foot fences and 15,000 troops, as a result of another false flag operation: “the deadly white supremacist maga insurrection of the capitol”

“worse than 9/11” -cnn

[IndigoErth]

What reality do you live in where Biden, who wasn't in power yet and had no say, is a bad guy for having to be inaugurated behind fences and security because a ton of people stormed the capitol, violently attacked the police there, and were upfront about wanting to kill Pence.

I don't care who someone voted for, there is nothing unreasonable about securing our nation's vital (and historical) buildings when they are targeted like that.

False flag nothing, that notion conflicts with the fact that it's congressmen on your side of the political divide who are trying to pretend it was no big deal. If it wasn't committed by people on your side and it was bad guys on the left, then they'd undoubtedly want the investigation by the House... but they didn't want it.

[Andrew NDB]

If it wasn't committed by people on your side and it was bad guys on the left, then they'd undoubtedly want the investigation by the House... but they didn't want it.

So you don't mean like the multiple BLM rio -- er, peaceful protesters on the left that ransacked and burned, like, many capitol buildings over the course of a whole year that was never considered a big deal and always just shrugged off as outliers? Oh, but the ONE TIME ever the "right" does anything even 1% as big, and has a few guys that are let into a capitol building and take a few selfies... that's totally different? Gtfo here.

And everyone knows what the "investigation" will be. It won't be an investigation at all because there's nothing left to investigate (and what there IS worth investigating, the left will doubtlessly leave those stones unturned). What it will be is just be the left drawing out January 9th or whatever until the next election cycle (or longer, they hope), to keep that in the public eye as long as possible. Because without Trump and without that... they really don't have any sort of platform at all.

[IMJ]

You aren't going to be able to rationalize anything to that girl and have it matter. She's galvanized and completely convinced that her dug in position is correct regardless of how this plays out or even regardless of hindsight.

It's like the typical "angry office coworker" who is a woman. She's dug in forever in her spite combined with lack of mental calculus and there you have it.

It's like the difference between people who understand that an "argument" is made by solid points and experience whereas other people who learned somewhere that word-slinging and "immediate shutdown tactics" are arguing. That's Indigo - argument of spite and empty value. Argue for the sake of argue. "Your side, my side, bla bla bla" all from a nothing-burger fool. Even the anti-vaxxers here have more than she does, even when they are outright wrong.

[Sumac]

I'm not discounting material aid, but religion does play a role. It has provided the Taliban with morale, so everytime the West bombs them and kills hundreds of their fighters, they become even more determined and fanatical.

Compare this to the Afghan "government" army. More ground troops than the Taliban, more advanced weaponry and an airforce, yet they capitulated so easily.
True, however, you can replace Islam with any other religion or ideology, which winds up people to 11 and the result will be the same.

Also, fanaticism and readiness to die for the fictional deities is not a sign of a healthy, rational or sound mind.

People from these same countries are now taking over Europe lol. No military invasion needed, they will simply be welcomed with open arms because the Europeans can't rely on their own people to sustain themselves.
It happens less, because, locals can't sustain themselves, but more, because, bureaucrats in places need obedient dumb crowd, which will vote for them no matter what.

By their very status immigrants are "owned" by those bureaucrats, who gave them shelter and money, so they will vote (or riot, when necessary) on behalf of those bureaucrats (elites).

This situation is not really that different from so called "religious leaders" of Taliban using their fanatics as cannon fodder in their wars. Its just more "civilized", but the result is the same..

[IndigoErth]

True, however, you can replace Islam with any other religion or ideology, which winds up people to 11 and the result will be the same.

Also, fanaticism and readiness to die for the fictional deities is not a sign of a healthy, rational or sound mind.

Guess we have at least one perspective on something in common after all.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not an anti-theist and don't have an issue with people holding onto their religions and/or chosen beliefs... IF they aren't using it to harm other people. But unfortunately it's too tempting for the wingnuts of the world to use religion to feel justified in doing so. It's also clearly too tempting and easy for theists to dismiss them and just wash their hands of those people as not a "true" whatever and not really one of their own and dismiss any need to do anything.

If missionaries can be eager to go out and try to convince people to join their religion, why aren't there those who actively work to reach out to and reign in those people who have taken it in a bad direction?? Try to reclaim people away from the Taliban (or extremist groups of other religions) and try to get them back on a better path? Not everyone could be "saved" but surely there are some, esp young people who got caught up in it.


So you don't mean like the multiple BLM rio -- er, peaceful protesters on the left that ransacked and burned, like, many capitol buildings over the course of a whole year that was never considered a big deal and always just shrugged off as outliers? Oh, but the ONE TIME ever the "right" does anything even 1% as big, and has a few guys that are let into a capitol building and take a few selfies... that's totally different? Gtfo here.

And everyone knows what the "investigation" will be. It won't be an investigation at all because there's nothing left to investigate (and what there IS worth investigating, the left will doubtlessly leave those stones unturned). What it will be is just be the left drawing out January 9th or whatever until the next election cycle (or longer, they hope), to keep that in the public eye as long as possible. Because without Trump and without that... they really don't have any sort of platform at all.
So deflect away to other events and pretend that people bashing in windows and attacking police is equivalent to being let in to take selfies?

Please go on and show me where I've ever supported ANY government buildings being attacked by anyone in this nation anywhere. I'll wait. Because I haven't. (Or is it easier to yell "lib!" and run down a list of generalize assumptions your fave media outlets told you about liberals.) It is, and I'm pretty sure I've said it in the past, unacceptable and criminal no matter who is doing it. Though those states are not my own, but the nation's Capitol building impacts all of us, so pardon me for having an opinion on it.


Here's are a few pics of tour groups and the public visiting on a typical day. People let in to be shown around and take some selfies and other photos.


https://i.imgur.com/swfylEY.jpg

https://washingtonhouse.watermarkcommunities.com/files/2017/10/U.S.-Capitol-Tour-1.jpg

https://www.aoc.gov/sites/default/files/styles/square_lg/public/6284198358_0bb59450e5_o_1.jpg?h=1720f687&itok=3zd_-9_T

Here's a few photos of what is NOT a normal visit by the public. Not a tour group. Not "let" in. Not just a few guys. Not just taking selfies.


Plenty more worth sharing, including the noose set up for Pence, but only so many images allowed in a post.

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/01/10/USAT/18f5c0a1-d556-403b-8065-264eb8ced05e-AP_Trump_Legacy_Race.jpg?dpr=1&width=600&height=400

https://d21rhj7n383afu.cloudfront.net/washpost-production/The_Washington_Post/20210107/5ff6767d4cedfd00015fab72/5ff67838c9e77c0007a14669_1450955028646-chsuqu_t_1609988154811_640_360_400.gif

https://www.globalsistersreport.org/sites/default/files/styles/article_full_width/public/20210107T0915-BREACH-REACTION-CATHOLIC-1012301%20resize.jpg?itok=yTYniSWX

https://i.insider.com/600b24757e47190011cb8c93?width=700

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/aaM9Raa6NCxmtjhdNoRQZGF4-64=/0x0:2400x1072/1200x800/filters:focal(1008x344:1392x728)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/68833431/Screen_Shot_2021_02_17_at_3.51.44_PM.0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gpsRKBV.jpg

https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/46db01b/2147483647/thumbnail/640x420/quality/85/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.beam.usnews.com%2Feb%2F85% 2F707d9ce04e22a264ce4f16bb6195%2F210413bc.America. January6.jpg

[FredWolfLeonardo]

You aren't going to be able to rationalize anything to that girl and have it matter. She's galvanized and completely convinced that her dug in position is correct regardless of how this plays out or even regardless of hindsight.

It's like the typical "angry office coworker" who is a woman. She's dug in forever in her spite combined with lack of mental calculus and there you have it.

It's like the difference between people who understand that an "argument" is made by solid points and experience whereas other people who learned somewhere that word-slinging and "immediate shutdown tactics" are arguing. That's Indigo - argument of spite and empty value. Argue for the sake of argue. "Your side, my side, bla bla bla" all from a nothing-burger fool. Even the anti-vaxxers here have more than she does, even when they are outright wrong.

I would like to hear a full analysis of me :)

[1987]

So deflect away to other events and pretend that people bashing in windows and attacking police is equivalent to being let in to take selfies?

Please go on and show me where I've ever supported ANY government buildings being attacked by anyone in this nation anywhere. I'll wait. Because I haven't. (Or is it easier to yell "lib!" and run down a list of generalize assumptions your fave media outlets told you about liberals.) It is, and I'm pretty sure I've said it in the past, unacceptable and criminal no matter who is doing it. Though those states are not my own, but the nation's Capitol building impacts all of us, so pardon me for having an opinion on it.


Here's are a few pics of tour groups and the public visiting on a typical day. People let in to be shown around and take some selfies and other photos.


https://i.imgur.com/swfylEY.jpg

https://washingtonhouse.watermarkcommunities.com/files/2017/10/U.S.-Capitol-Tour-1.jpg

https://www.aoc.gov/sites/default/files/styles/square_lg/public/6284198358_0bb59450e5_o_1.jpg?h=1720f687&itok=3zd_-9_T

Here's a few photos of what is NOT a normal visit by the public. Not a tour group. Not "let" in. Not just a few guys. Not just taking selfies.


Plenty more worth sharing, including the noose set up for Pence, but only so many images allowed in a post.

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/01/10/USAT/18f5c0a1-d556-403b-8065-264eb8ced05e-AP_Trump_Legacy_Race.jpg?dpr=1&width=600&height=400

https://d21rhj7n383afu.cloudfront.net/washpost-production/The_Washington_Post/20210107/5ff6767d4cedfd00015fab72/5ff67838c9e77c0007a14669_1450955028646-chsuqu_t_1609988154811_640_360_400.gif

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DEBUNKED

again, Jan 6 was a false flag operation

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/lied-fbi-finally-admits-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-coordinated-organized-plot-talking-point-massive-lie/

[IndigoErth]

So Republicans in the House, whose lives were in danger that day, support the investigation in order to hold those false flag insurrectionists accountable as they rightly should be?

Wait. No, I'm wrong. It's only Cheney and Kinzinger who support it... The others reject it and don't care to investigate the facts, don't want anyone held accountable, as if they know it wasn't a false flag. :tconfuse: Because if it really was, why wouldn't they want accountability and kick those people's asses for it.


edit: Thing I don't get is why cons/repubs who were not involved defend it or come up with (or repeat) false excuses. Why not just let those nuts be some other #NotAll bunch that everyone else condemns as just the more extreme side that went too far, while most would never do such a thing.

[IMJ]

I would like to hear a full analysis of me :)

Whatever your opinions are, you don't clearly wear a "psychosis badge" in your posting patterns. And so, in the absence of insanity or outright offensive incompetence, I'm disinclined to have any analysis about you.

Bull$#!tters, manipulators and low-self-esteemers always have their hair raise on their backs when I'm around. I'm a living trigger for $#!(bag people. It's been that way my entire life. The honest-to-God litmus test for if you're a $#!( bag person is whether or not you bug up simply by my entering a room or if you can maintain some sense of normalcy. Been that way my entire life whether simply by walking into a room physically or once people become aware of how I treat information. The weak links bug the f up like the world is ending and the people of deeper thought tend to rally around me. I'm like a natural trigger for psychosis - positive or negative.

The irony? Those patterns are less about me and actually more about others.

DEBUNKED

again, Jan 6 was a false flag operation

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/lied-fbi-finally-admits-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-coordinated-organized-plot-talking-point-massive-lie/

I don't know if that qualifies for a false flag, but anyone with a brain knows the left was piling on with that crap. That's what the worst of people always do. They deeper they are out to get someone the more they will confirm any action they can against that person, and they count on the lower "peasant haters" to exacerbate the agenda. It's one of the lowest points of integrity and the deepest of human evils in my opinion.

[The Deadman]

The January 6th thing wasn't a false flag but a report came out with the FBI saying that Trump had nothing to do with it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-not-directly-involved-in-organizing-capitol-riot-violence-report-2021-8

Besides, why are we talking about January 6th when it's irrelevant to this?

[IndigoErth]

Besides, why are we talking about January 6th when it's irrelevant to this?

so we’ve got a skinhead threatening to bomb the capitol just when joe biden needs to switch the narrative... false flag much?

i guess white supremacy is the biggest threat to America and not the taliban terrorists and thousands of Afghan “refugees” being brought in, or the southern border crisis, or somali terrorists like ilhan omar being installed in congress.

never forget joe biden was installed behind 15 foot fences and 15,000 troops, as a result of another false flag operation: “the deadly white supremacist maga insurrection of the capitol”

“worse than 9/11” -cnn
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And admit it can be too tempting to go with it...

https://www.beano.com/wp-content/uploads/legacy/14091_guilty-dog.gif?quality=76&strip=all&w=960

[Andrew NDB]

More wonderful stuff in Afghanistan.

https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1430851901239795712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1430899754049806340%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwjla.com%2Fnews%2Fnation-world%2Fwarn-attack-kabul-airport-refugees-evacuations

Pallets of hundred dollar bill bribe money for the Taliban and tons of our weapons. Pelosi is blocking impeachment of Biden over this but was happy to impeach Trump over a phone call she didn't like.

[The Deadman]

And of course, like clock work, people are blaming Trump for this. Dude hasn't been in office since January. Kick rocks.

[IndigoErth]

Well the guy was making deals with terrorists to be out by May... but it got stretch out until the end of this month so... meh.

[The Deadman]

Well the guy was making deals with terrorists to be out by May... but it got stretch out until the end of this month so... meh.

I understand that people cant get over Trump but good lord....let it go already

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/26/us-officials-provided-taliban-with-names-of-americans-afghan-allies-to-evacuate-506957

Apparently this has caused massive outrage. Nothing will happen though.

[ZariusTwo]

Well the guy was making deals with terrorists to be out by May... but it got stretch out until the end of this month so... meh.

Start directing your dissatisfaction to the real putz in charge now and read the f*cking room. You're not the good guys anymore.

[The Deadman]

I just find it funny that the people who are blaming Trump for this are the same ones who told people on the right to stop blaming Obama anytime something went wrong during Trump's tenure in the White House.

[Andrew NDB]

Well the guy was making deals with terrorists to be out by May... but it got stretch out until the end of this month so... meh.

Deals, vs. Biden literally delivering pallets full of millions of dollars to the Taliban (while going on the news saying the Taliban is misunderstood and wants to give them a chance, that they're having an "existential crisis" and want to come to the world stage) to bribe them to let us evacuate... when the entire situation was caused by Biden.

[IndigoErth]

You got any sources besides Twitter?

I understand that people cant get over Trump but good lord....let it go already
Then don't whine about him first yourself. :lol:


Start directing your dissatisfaction to the real putz in charge now and read the f*cking room. You're not the good guys anymore.
You failed to read the indifference about it, instead going with a knee jerk reaction, so...

[The Deadman]

Whine about who, Biden? He's literally the acting President of this country....

[Sumac]

Whine about who, Biden? He's literally the acting President of this country....
But its different!
He doesn't send mean Tweets! :oops:

[Vegita-San]

More wonderful stuff in Afghanistan.

https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1430851901239795712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1430899754049806340%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwjla.com%2Fnews%2Fnation-world%2Fwarn-attack-kabul-airport-refugees-evacuations

Pallets of hundred dollar bill bribe money for the Taliban and tons of our weapons. Pelosi is blocking impeachment of Biden over this but was happy to impeach Trump over a phone call she didn't like.

has she really? All I see is Leftists over taking the tag 'impeach' on twitter and going reeee.

anyone on both sides seriously asking for it? Kamala as president would be even worse though.

[CyberCubed]

They should just nuke the entire country and eradicate them all.

[Galactus]

I just find it funny that the people who are blaming Trump for this are the same ones who told people on the right to stop blaming Obama anytime something went wrong during Trump's tenure in the White House.

I'm not really blaming anyone.

The re-writing of history on this subject on all sides is bizarre. Like pulling out of Afghanistan hasn't been one of the few things that the left and right have agreed on for quite some time. Now most people are acting as if they haven't been demanding to bring the troops home for well over a decade.

I really see no point in quibbling over who would have done it better when every military strategist is saying that the Taliban's quick takeover was inevitable. The difference was always going to be a matter of weeks.

Also it's now Trump's and Biden's plan were not anywhere near as different as we were led to believe. I'm perfectly fine with saying they are both trash on this issue. Sure, Biden is the one that actually pulled the trigger but only because Trump (who got a lot of political capital on promising to come out) was too cowardly to do it until his second term which didn't happen.

Start directing your dissatisfaction to the real putz in charge now and read the f*cking room. You're not the good guys anymore.

It's not like the American political right has ever read the room. They couldn't handle losing so created a reality were they actually won and Trump is still secretly president - he'll take over again any day now. The right were never the good guys ever.

[Andrew NDB]

Like pulling out of Afghanistan hasn't been one of the few things that the left and right have agreed on for quite some time. Now most people are acting as if they haven't been demanding to bring the troops home for well over a decade.

No. That's pretty stupid to say. No one is arguing about pulling the troops out (while I think if most Americans were to be asked if we should leave a small number like 1,000 to maintain some kind of supervisory presence while helping the Afghans maintain their own military they would say, "sure" -- we're in dozens of other countries including Syria, after all). The entire outcry now is HOW the troops are being pulled out, particularly at the cost of the American citizens that have been, continue to be, and will end up still stranded there when the self-imposed 8/31 deadline passes. Biden has a strange notion that protecting American citizens in Afghanistan might jeopardize the lives of soldiers... this is a very weird way of thinking. You can ask any soldier -- soldiers exist to PROTECT CITIZENS! It is their entire purpose, their entire principle and reason for being. "No, we gotta bring the boys home! I don't want to see anyone else's sons or daughters die over there in the service!" Biden says, when like only 5 have died in the past 10 years (except for the last couple days... apparently a dozen Marines died trying to make the best of the last minute sh**show evacuation). More people died than that in combat exercises in the past 5 years.

There were many ways to avoid this, many steps that could have been taken. None were. Many lives have been lost, many more will be lost, and women are literally being yanked out of their homes and raped. Killed, if they refuse to feed Taliban troops.

You got any sources besides Twitter?

That is literally a video. Of the Taliban. With pallets full of millions of dollars all around them. Do you think it's a Deep Fake or something? Maybe the Jalals?

[Leo656]

They should just nuke the entire country and eradicate them all.

The simplest solution generally IS the best solution.

Can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs, after all.

[The Deadman]

Also it's now Trump's and Biden's plan were not anywhere near as different as we were led to believe. I'm perfectly fine with saying they are both trash on this issue. Sure, Biden is the one that actually pulled the trigger but only because Trump (who got a lot of political capital on promising to come out) was too cowardly to do it until his second term which didn't happen.


If you watched the press conference, he said the 5/1 date Trump put in place was going to stick the entire time. He's the one who had to extend it a few months. Also I doubt Trump would have willingly put his "trust" in the Taliban to protect people trying to get out as easily as Biden did.

[1987]

To all those woke left liberals that believe in rainbow emojis & flags....
The Taliban will murder gays on sight.

[Leo656]

To all those woke left liberals that believe in rainbow emojis & flags....
The Taliban will murder gays on sight.

Isn't it comical how politics make such bizarre bedfellows? :lol:

Mutual hatred of Republicans can, has, and will lead to an alignment of people who want to make everything Gay As F*ck, and their polar opposite, people who will murder LGBTQ+ people in the street, in broad daylight, because their Holy Book tells them it's good and proper.

It's insane! :lol: Like HOW does this sh*t happen?

Oh, wait... "Anyone But Trump". Got it. Still bananas.

[IndigoErth]

To all those woke left liberals that believe in rainbow emojis & flags....
The Taliban will murder gays on sight.
Why are you so random.



Was gonna go find some "Look a chicken!" image, but instead I'll just bring this too frigging cute chicken into the thread that I now want to be my pet.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0039/4647/9689/files/frizzle-chicken-breed-profile.jpg

Because any thread with political bitching needs a fluffy cute chicken.

I accept being the "look a chicken" person now.


P.S. It's the Taliban... you could believe in only solid gray cube emojis and flags, or any other damn thing in the world, and Taliban would still gladly off you for not being aligned with them. You think they'd spare you if you assured them you don't like rainbow things?

Somehow I highly doubt that is a culture where gay people are even able to be open about it anyhow.

[Leo656]

P.S. It's the Taliban... you could believe in only solid gray cube emojis and flags, or any other damn thing in the world, and Taliban would still gladly off you for not being aligned with them. You think they'd spare you if you assured them you don't like rainbow things?


I don't think they were necessarily implying that. Rather just pointing out the absurdity of the situation, that two groups with so little in common could technically be on the same side of any issue thanks to some overall pretty nebulous things. Like it literally makes NO sense whatsoever that Liberals and Terrorists would ever be on the same side, and yet frequently, they are. And it usually just comes down to mutual hatred of Conservatives (albeit for totally different reasons; terrorists don't like Republicans because Republicans occasionally push back against their nonsense while Liberals just bend over for it, whereas Liberals just don't like Conservatives because they're "mean").

Like, by rights, Liberals and terrorists should never be on the same side of ANY issue. The things they respectively champion are polar opposites and in fundamental conflict. It's just SO silly that they could ever find themselves in agreement, yet often do, simply because both groups hate Republicans.

Pretty sure that's what 1987 was pointing out. Just the general absurdity of it all.


Somehow I highly doubt that is a culture where gay people are even able to be open about it anyhow.

I remember back in like 2007 or something when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who was then President of Iran, famously said "We don't have any homosexuals in Iran." And everyone on the outside was like, "Yeah, no sh*t, you f*cking murdered all of them." :lol:

Different country, obviously, but same general ideology.
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Also, that chicken looks delicious. I'mma go get some garlic.

[IMJ]

Some significant portion of this thread is Indigo being her typically foolish self and arguing with anyone she can pencil whip an arguers point at. But given that I'm on her ignore list I can discuss her behavior and be free from her childish, ignorant retorts. I've never had a recurring and singular hated enemy on a forum before, not in 21 years of posting to the internet. Then Indigo shows up with her retail wisdom and BOOM! All hell breaks loose....

On another note, the leftist wonder man, creepy Joe Biden went on T.V. and said, with his shaky hands and defiant-old-man voice said something to the effect of "we will not forget and we will not forgive". Hey! Nice work, Joe. Thanks for coming by tonight. -claps- Go job leftist America. But hey! All of this but... you know.... no "mean tweets". Nice work! Congrats.

[1987]

Why are you so random.




not random. all of this stuff ties in together: bidens afghanistan crisis, southern border crisis, inflation, covid, mandates, hunter, etc one distraction after another as they try to usher in the new world order. surely you’ve heard of their planned “great reset” you seem to support that ideology as you’re being conditioned to accept the “new normal” big gov



Like, by rights, Liberals and terrorists should never be on the same side of ANY issue. The things they respectively champion are polar opposites and in fundamental conflict. It's just SO silly that they could ever find themselves in agreement, yet often do, simply because both groups hate Republicans.

Pretty sure that's what 1987 was pointing out. Just the general absurdity of it all.



pretty much. the left would cry “bigoted” if Trump said anything slightly offensive about lgbt community. but the taliban killing gays as part of their religion/culture is simply ignored, nobody on the left condemns this, just look the other way. guess certain things can only be “bigoted” when it’s convenient to fit the narrative.

nearly 20 years after 9/11 and the terrorists now occupy congress.

[Leo656]

Well, see, Liberals respect other peoples' "cultures", to the point where they can overlook any atrocities committed because "That's their Culture, we have to respect it." Even when it goes against their OWN self-interest or beliefs.

I, personally, do not agree that "culture" needs to be respected as a rule. What's funny is that Liberals will argue long and loud for the respect and upholding of OTHER "cultures", so long as those cultures aren't America. America, on the other hand, is incurably Bad. So American "culture" needs to be completely overhauled, but any "culture" that glorifies suicide bombers and stoning women to death need to be protected. Figure THAT sh*t out.

They've got all sorts of little nonsense "rules" on The Left, that's part of what makes picking apart the things they say and do so much "fun". Like how far they'll go to defend terrorists, because to speak out against them is "racist". Now, if you ask most people which is worse, being a Racist or being a Terrorist, most people would say that it's worse to be a terrorist. BUT, most people who vote Democrat would argue that being a racist is far worse, which... I can't agree with. Not that it's a GOOD thing, but I'd argue that being a racist isn't anywhere NEAR as bad as being a terrorist.

It's weird. All their little rules and ideology on The Left is weird. They're supposedly anti-fascist, but will go to downright fascist extremes to eliminate or silence anyone who thinks, speaks or acts differently than they do. They support women's rights and LGBTQ rights, but will defend and align themselves with groups who would love to see those people eradicated from the face of the Earth, because "We need to respect their Culture." And so on and so forth.

It's the hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness that always bothered me. I always leaned more conservative because at least THOSE people aren't all sanctimoniously pretending to be The Good Guys (except the Christian fundamentalist types who nobody with any sense of reason pays attention to, anyway). They're just very openly pragmatic about preserving the status quo and making people take their medicine because "This is what works best for everyone, sorry if your feelings are hurt but Deal With It." I respect that. I respect that they don't try to pretend that they're "nice". Whereas Liberals are so smug about how "nice" and "progressive" they are, they end up in bed with people they have absolutely no business being in bed with, like Islamic Terrorists and so on.

It's "interesting". It's all very, very interesting.



nearly 20 years after 9/11 and the terrorists now occupy congress.

Y e a h, our entire system of government was more or less designed to PREVENT any sort of outside interests from weaseling their way in and trying to undermine our system from within under false pretense... and yet, lo and behold, here's where we are now.

Seems pretty goofball, BUT nobody asked me.

[The Deadman]

P.S. It's the Taliban... you could believe in only solid gray cube emojis and flags, or any other damn thing in the world, and Taliban would still gladly off you for not being aligned with them. You think they'd spare you if you assured them you don't like rainbow things?

Somehow I highly doubt that is a culture where gay people are even able to be open about it anyhow.

Any Muslim country forbids same sex relationships. You don't need to be a terrorist group to understand they don't like it. But Joe Biden tells us they trust the Taliban, so we must trust them! The Taliban are a lot safer towards the gay community than Republicans, if the left had their way.

[IndigoErth]

I don't know any liberals who condone or defend harming anyone like that for any damn reason, including cultural or religious ones, so I don't know wtf "liberals" you lot even actually talk to, esp in person, and find this out from them directly.

I mean I can show concern for the regular people of Afghanistan instead of being callous about the situation, or sit there and talk about the fact that some people in this word, many of them liberals, genuinely still have a heart and don't live in "24/7 cynical a**hole mode" that no longer believes anything good is real, and some here will throw a bitch fit at me for it. Funny.


But Joe Biden tells us they trust the Taliban
Links with direct quotes then, please.

He never said he trusts them, and the other day said he doesn't trust anyone.

https://theweek.com/joe-biden/1004216/biden-the-us-does-not-trust-the-taliban-but-is-counting-on-their-self-interest


Biden also clarified that while the U.S. may be coordinating with the Taliban to secure the perimeter of the airport, "no one trusts them." The U.S. is simply capitalizing on the mutual interest it shares with the Taliban, which is that ISIS-K "does not metastasize beyond what it is," and the U.S. leaves the country as scheduled, he said.

REPORTER: Do you feel like there was a mistake made [having the Taliban secure the airport perimeter]?BIDEN: No, I don’t…it is in the interest…of the Taliban, that in fact ISIS-K does not metastasize beyond what it is…it's in their interest that we are able to leave on time. pic.twitter.com/0pcwn7k2yC
— JM Rieger (@RiegerReport) August 26, 2021

"We're just counting on their self-interest to continue to generate their activities, and it's in their self-interest that we leave when we said and that we get as many people out as we can," Biden explained.

FAR, far from ideal to even have to try to "count on" or use the Taliban's self interest in our favor, but if ISIS are going to show up and start attacking people, then it's using one devil to distract another while our people try to complete the effort of getting our own and allies out of there.

No way the Taliban is going to want anything delaying our exit. We could technically use that to our advantage.



That said... hopefully they and ISIS will do the world a favor and end each other.

[Andrew NDB]

He never said he trusts them, and the other day said he doesn't trust anyone.

... while immediately going on to explain that we must trust the Taliban to facilitate the evacuation of the American citizens heading to the airport and the security therein despite tons of stories of them using the same list that Biden gave the Taliban of people we want to evacuate (!!!!!!) to go door to door and punishing/executing these individuals.

[Leo656]

I don't know any liberals who condone or defend harming anyone like that for any damn reason, including cultural or religious ones, so I don't know wtf "liberals" you lot even actually talk to, esp in person, and find this out from them directly.

I mean I can show concern for the regular people of Afghanistan instead of being callous about the situation, or sit there and talk about the fact that some people in this word, many of them liberals, genuinely still have a heart and don't live in "24/7 cynical a**hole mode" that no longer believes anything good is real, and some here will throw a bitch fit at me for it. Funny.


To clarify: It's less about outright "condoning harm" and more about how their silly "Respect All Cultures" stuff ends up "accidentally" seeing them excuse the atrocities of people who by rights they should be raging against.

If you ask any Liberal to a person, they'd say "No, of course I'm not okay with raping/stoning women, genital mutilation, murdering gays or any of that stuff. All of that is horrible." Because that's how anyone with any decency thinks.

BUT. If someone were to suggest, "We need to clean house over there. Those People's values are entirely inconsistent with 21st century living, and if they won't self-correct and come out of the Dark Ages, someone ought'a make them... by force, if necessary", at THAT point your average Liberal will say "Wait a minute, we can't do THAT. That's racist! We need to respect their Culture!" When no, we actually don't.

That's what I'm talking about, specifically. How the Liberal belief that "respecting someone's culture" trumps the fact that their culture is entirely toxic and runs completely contrary to what those same Liberals defending them actually believe in.

A person cannot in good conscience say, essentially, "I am against rape. BUT, I don't think we should force Those People Over There to stop raping people, because their culture says it's okay and we need to respect it." Or replace "rape" with "killing all gay people", or whatever, same thing. Again, no Liberal LITERALLY says that... but in a roundabout way, that's how it ends up regardless. They just most likely don't think too deeply about what their defense of "culture" ends up accidentally advocating or excusing.

As for concern for the "regular people" of Afghanistan... I admit I don't live there, and don't speak to too many people who do. But as I understand it, a lot of them don't have any significantly different values than the terrorists do. As in, they pretty much agree with them and share a lot of their values but don't all have the "motivation" to go around blowing stuff up.

IF that's true - which, again, I don't know for a fact that it is, but IF that is true - then I can't say I'm overly concerned for them, personally. I don't wish them specific harm but it's a known fact that the general thinking of the people who live in a large chunk of that section of the world is socially and morally backwards. And it disturbs me how many people would have us "Just stay out of it" when the things they do Over There have a way of eventually affecting everyone.

I empathize with the "regular people" over there who have more "enlightened" thoughts and values. But as far as I'm aware those people still represent a minority. BUT, once again I don't live there so I admit I don't genuinely know.

[IndigoErth]

You realize I'm a "dirty liberal," right? Like, more-so left of center, not off lost at the edge of some far left cliff, but still liberal... and I've literally suggested the world just needs to let the terrorists take over that country, enough to let their guard down, then bomb the hell out of them, because enough is enough. Their "culture" be damned. Terrorist cultures seems mostly to be about power and warping religion to feel justified, as it so often goes with extremists.

I may respect people's rights to their beliefs and cultures, esp coming from a country here that depends on and preaches supposed freedom, but rights to have those things respected ends at the point that it harms other living, breathing, people.

As a Western, atheist, liberal leaning woman I never exactly had a damn reason to respect a lot of that BS that harms or oppresses people in that part of the world. Not a damn reason they would have any such respect for people like me.

Though I don't mean the common decent people who don't accept all that crap. Those poor people just need the chance to get the heck out of there. I feel badly for them that this is what became of their home and they might never be able to go back, but if anything... well, if any of them still carry any bad ideas that their culture needs to let go of, then those who may have to live as immigrants now somewhere else will have no choice but to adapt to a new home and let those things go. Then end up raising a next generation with a fresh viewpoint.

Then we go bomb the a-holes taking it over like a terrorist hive and do your eradication by force. The world has had to deal with that crap for far too long. Wipe it out and move on.

[Leo656]

You realize I'm a "dirty liberal," right? Like, more-so left of center, not off lost at the edge of some far left cliff, but still liberal...

Yeah, and we've always gotten along great anyways. :tgrin: Because regardless of politics we tend to agree on more things than we don't, and also, the things we disagree about and how we express those disagreements have never once gotten to a point where it poisoned our conversations in general.

That's how it should be, I feel. It's like as I've mentioned how some of my closest personal friends in Real Life are pretty far Left. We've had some very good, very long conversations in which we ultimately agree on very little but still hug it out on our way to the car when it's over.

My disagreement with how some Liberals think or what they advocate for in certain cases might have me rolling my eyes at times, but like anyone else I deal with, I only get aggressive with people who are being dicks on purpose and/or willfully obtuse.

I mean it's not like I vote Republican... or anything at all. :trazz: I lean more to the Right on many issues but that has more to do with economics and so on than anything else. Conservative economic policies make more sense to me than Liberal ones, and I've always had more financial security when the Republicans were in charge; being a person ruled entirely by self-interest, I have to know which side my bread is buttered on and roll accordingly.

But it's not like Conservatives aren't often full of sh*t from another direction. It's just Liberal Hypocrisy and double-standards annoy me more - and give me more to talk about - than Conservative hypocrisy and double-standards do. Which is why it's more common to see me rant about the Former than the Latter.

At the end of the day, though, neither side would want me at their parties and I'm perfectly okay with that. I might be MORE conservative but I wouldn't self-identify AS a Conservative. Primarily because I am such a big fan of abortion that it's not even funny. :lol: That's what I mean, even if I stuck a label on myself, someone else would rip it right off. I kinda don't fit in anywhere. And again, that's fine by me. :)

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, there are some subjects you are more liberal about than I am, so... lol

Unless a person tries hard to be a good little identity-centered ideological conformer, kind of hard to really do a real "one size fits all," I guess.

[Sumac]

I mean I can show concern for the regular people of Afghanistan instead of being callous about the situation, or sit there and talk about the fact that some people in this word, many of them liberals, genuinely still have a heart and don't live in "24/7 cynical a**hole mode" that no longer believes anything good is real, and some here will throw a bitch fit at me for it. Funny.
World doesn't have a heart. And most people do have hearts only when it benefits them or their loved ones.

Though I don't mean the common decent people who don't accept all that crap. Those poor people just need the chance to get the heck out of there. I feel badly for them that this is what became of their home and they might never be able to go back, but if anything... well, if any of them still carry any bad ideas that their culture needs to let go of, then those who may have to live as immigrants now somewhere else will have no choice but to adapt to a new home and let those things go. Then end up raising a next generation with a fresh viewpoint.
It was tried in European countries and results were not satisfactory - descendants of migrants, even well-adjusted migrants, were much more militaristic and more fanatical about their culture, than their parents.

And most do carry bad ideas from their homes, because, this is literally all they know. And they won't relinquish them, just, because, you've asked them. Its hardwired in their brains and, if this problem is to ever be resolved, most optimal way would be to "force" their countries to adopt Western values. Something like what have been done to Japan. And even than, Japan is very backwards on many issues.

This is like trying to destroy North Korean regime - you can kill Kim and his cronies, but most people still will be slaves of the regime, for years to come, even if it is a different regime. Because, this is all they know.

The same had happened in Russia, where people, most of which were not accustomed to having freedoms or personal property, always end up choosing "Tsars", because, this is something them and their ancestors have been accustomed to. They literally don't know how to live differently.

This is why, in my personal opinion, the greatest crime of any oppressive regime, is not even dead people they create in their wake (especially left regimes), but the fact that they rob people of any chance to become something greater, by putting them into conditions, where they don't even KNOW they have this chance.

[Leo656]

Yeah, there are some subjects you are more liberal about than I am, so... lol

Unless a person tries hard to be a good little identity-centered ideological conformer, kind of hard to really do a real "one size fits all," I guess.

I know some people who automatically vote all-Blue (or Red) right down the line no matter who the politician is or what they profess to stand for.

That's dangerous. Those People are dangerous. They don't see, recognize, or understand nuance.

And this is probably the first time anyone has ever claimed I was "more liberal" than them on any topic. :lol: So I gotta thank you for that because my mind is effectively blown. :tgrin:

[Coola Yagami]

World doesn't have a heart. And most people do have hearts only when it benefits them or their loved ones.


It was tried in European countries and results were not satisfactory - descendants of migrants, even well-adjusted migrants, were much more militaristic and more fanatical about their culture, than their parents.

And most do carry bad ideas from their homes, because, this is literally all they know. And they won't relinquish them, just, because, you've asked them. Its hardwired in their brains and, if this problem is to ever be resolved, most optimal way would be to "force" their countries to adopt Western values. Something like what have been done to Japan. And even than, Japan is very backwards on many issues.

This is like trying to destroy North Korean regime - you can kill Kim and his cronies, but most people still will be slaves of the regime, for years to come, even if it is a different regime. Because, this is all they know.

The same had happened in Russia, where people, most of which were not accustomed to having freedoms or personal property, always end up choosing "Tsars", because, this is something them and their ancestors have been accustomed to. They literally don't know how to live differently.

This is why, in my personal opinion, the greatest crime of any oppressive regime, is not even dead people they create in their wake (especially left regimes), but the fact that they rob people of any chance to become something greater, by putting them into conditions, where they don't even KNOW they have this chance.

Look at us. We've been conditioned to believe it HAS to be either the Democratic or Republican way. We're literally conditioned to believe that voting third party is practically throwing your vote away. It's the American regime, and there are enough crazies on both sides willing to kill and die to keep things going the way they are.

[Sumac]

Look at us. We've been conditioned to believe it HAS to be either the Democratic or Republican way. We're literally conditioned to believe that voting third party is practically throwing your vote away. It's the American regime, and there are enough crazies on both sides willing to kill and die to keep things going the way they are.
It not always was like that. From what I've understood for most of the time, except for the civil war, people were able "agree to disagree" in US.

And this is what made US different from many other countries, and arguably it was its greatest strength, until recently, when Left leaning elites decided to establish total control over population by portraying everyone who disagrees with them as backwards murderous psychopaths or Nazis and eradicating even chance at "disagreement" or "alternate opinion".

[Andrew NDB]

Look at us. We've been conditioned to believe it HAS to be either the Democratic or Republican way. We're literally conditioned to believe that voting third party is practically throwing your vote away. It's the American regime, and there are enough crazies on both sides willing to kill and die to keep things going the way they are.

Although jeeze... pick any Democrat president or any Republican president from entirely different eras of US history. You will find wildly different stances on just about everything, including slavery.

Point is different presidents "president" differently. Trump was crude but he wasn't towing any party line... we need more of his ilk. I'm not saying Trump clones, but people similarly bucking party blind loyalties with empty smiles.

[IndigoErth]

More of his ilk? You seem to be either missing or ignoring that towing a party line wasn't a priority for him because he used the party as a useful idiot for his own benefit. Throwing out bait expecting people to bite so he can gain support.

One of the most blatantly transparent pandering moments had to be when he decided to go take pictures holding up a bible, like the theists, esp the Evangelicals, were supposed to be impressed if he waves those pictures in front of them and stay in line offering their support.

If he was really going against party loyalties, then he aught to have been working with some Dems at least once in a while, trying to push for greater bipartisanship, but he didn't. He only pushed the theme that they were enemies.


Bucking loyalties and maybe leaning more into unaffiliated moderates who want to work for the nation, not a party, would be great. But it's no good to us as a nation if people can't see the difference between doing that and, like Trump, just using a party for their own interests.

Forgoing loyalties should not mean electing people who carry on about space lasers while punishing people who themselves bucked their own party by criticizing Trump despite the backlash they knew they'd get for it.


It not always was like that. From what I've understood for most of the time, except for the civil war, people were able "agree to disagree" in US.

And this is what made US different from many other countries, and arguably it was its greatest strength, until recently, when Left leaning elites...
It's definitely not a recent shift, it has been BS boiling under the surface for decades, and no, pointing at the Left and saying "they did it and they do these meanie things" is no different than how the Right has always treated the Left and aren't justified in it either.

[Sumac]

It's definitely not a recent shift, it has been BS boiling under the surface for decades, and no, pointing at the Left and saying "they did it and they do these meanie things" is no different than how the Right has always treated the Left and aren't justified in it either.
It was not until last decade, when Left went more radical and decided to consider everyone who was even questioning them to be "Nazis".

[IndigoErth]

Little presumptuous to try to tell Americans about our own political history. If you really think this is all new, somehow I doubt you've really looked too hard at the longtime roots of all this crap in our political history, at least going back a generation, not any more than I've looked at your country's.

This stuff has been going back and forth for decades, a lot of it seeming to center around the 1950s, but still has some roots from earlier decades.

People today who might find some person online calling them a Nazi are hardly getting accused in any literal sense that it ruins lives. The Right's era of McCarthyism, fear mongering about communists and false allegations, however, wasn't so harmless.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion and treason, especially when related to communism and socialism.[1]

The term originally referred to the controversial practices and policies of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy (R-Wisconsin), and has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting from the late 1940s through the 1950s.[2] It was characterized by heightened political repression and persecution of left-wing individuals, and a campaign spreading fear of alleged communist and socialist influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet agents.[2]

After the mid-1950s, McCarthyism began to decline, mainly due to Joseph McCarthy's gradual loss of public popularity and credibility after several of his accusations were found to be false, and sustained opposition from the U.S. Supreme Court led by Chief Justice Earl Warren on human rights grounds.[3][4] The Warren Court made a series of rulings on civil and political rights that overturned several McCarthyist laws and directives, and helped bring an end to McCarthyism.

If you look at how things are today, it didn't really even stop, the same BS accusations are happening.

Other things adding fuel to the same fire, the religious right (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority) stemming from the 1970s.

There is no sudden "just this decade" change on either side, there is a lot of longtime activity that feeds into the present climate.


Supposedly a lot of McCarthy's fellow party members were afraid to stand up to him, out of fear of hurting their own political careers. Nothing ever changes.



edit: Except this lady. (Who I have to add this for because I found it rather interesting.) This is the kind of congress member we need today who doesn't fall into party loyalists and puts her own self on the line for the good of the nation.

The Senator Who Stood Up to Joseph McCarthy When No One Else Would (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/senator-who-stood-joseph-mccarthy-when-no-one-else-would-180970279/)

Margaret Chase Smith was the first woman to serve both the House and the Senate and always defended her values, even when it meant opposing her party

“It is high time we stopped thinking politically as Republicans and Democrats about elections and started thinking patriotically as Americans about national security based on individual freedom.”

Those words, spoken by Margaret Chase Smith, freshman senator from Maine, never mentioned Joseph McCarthy by name, but it was abundantly clear to all who listened that her criticisms were leveled directly at him. Her speech represented a highlight for the congressional maverick with a career full of similar moments of bipartisanship.

Earlier that day, June 1, 1950, Smith had bumped into the bombastic Wisconsin senator as they made their way to work. Only four months earlier, McCarthy had delivered an inflammatory speech claiming 205 people working in the State Department were secretly communists. Since then, Smith had been closely following his words and actions, meant to undermine the Democratic party and seed suspicion everywhere.

According to journalist Marvin Kalb, the senators’ interaction that morning was a prelude of what was to come. McCarthy regarded Smith and noted, “Margaret, you look very serious. Are you going to make a speech?”

“Yes, and you will not like it,” she responded.
https://i.imgur.com/NOPVdXu.png

Those of us who shout the loudest about Americanism in making character assassinations are all too frequently those who, by our own words and acts, ignore some of the basic principles of Americanism,” Smith said, in another thinly veiled jab at McCarthy’s tactics. Importantly, she was also quick to point out the Truman administration had failed to do enough to prevent the spread of communism at home and abroad. But her conclusion called on all politicians, regardless of party affiliation, to stand for the defense of civil liberties.

“It is high time that we all stopped being tools and victims of totalitarian techniques—techniques that, if continued here unchecked, will surely end what we have come to cherish as the American way of life,” said Smith.

It was a remarkable moment, not only because Smith was a woman, or the first person to speak out against McCarthy, but because she was willing to speak out against her fellow Republicans. Again and again over the 32 years she spent in Congress, Smith defended her values, even when it meant opposing the GOP—and even when it cost her personally.



When McCarthy began his accusations of communism run amok in the American government, Smith, like many others, was initially concerned that he might be right. She had been a fervent anti-communist throughout her political career and introduced a bill to outlaw the Communist Party in 1953, three years after her speech against McCarthy. What she didn’t agree with were her colleague from Wisconsin’s tactics—the fearmongering, the smearing of reputations, and finding people guilty before they had a chance to defend themselves.

“She was worried that what [McCarthy] was doing was undermining the anti-communism movement, that his methods were going too far,” says historian Mary Brennan, author of Wives, Mothers, and the Red Menace.

It soon became clear that McCarthy had grossly exaggerated his claims. By the spring of 1950, Smith said, “Distrust became so widespread that many dared not accept dinner invitations lest at some future date McCarthy might level unproved charges against someone who had been at the same dinner party.” Smith decided to act, since no one else seemed willing to, and gave her speech with the support of only six other Republican senators.

McCarthy’s response was typical of his behavior to any critics: he dismissed her, nicknaming Smith and her colleagues “Snow White and the Six Dwarfs.” Meanwhile, media outlets like the Saturday Evening Post shamed Smith and her co-signers for being communist-sympathizers, calling them “the soft underbelly of the Republican Party.”
Silly name calling... sounds familiar.





“I don’t know that she would’ve felt a lot of loyalty to the Republican Party the way some others did. There was a sense that they didn’t like what McCarthy was doing, but he was attacking the Democrats and that was good. And she came along and said, that’s true, but he’s undermining our cause and that’s bad.”

Despite being briefly sidelined by McCarthy for standing her ground, Smith remained a savvy enough politician to survive. She held a record for casting 2,941 consecutive roll call votes between 1955 and 1968, which was interrupted only by her recovery from hip surgery. And in 1964, she announced she was running for President. Though she never made it past the primaries, she still became the first woman to have her name put in for nomination for the presidency by a major political party.

If I was alive back then, who knows if I would have agreed with much of her politics, but still has my respect.

[Sumac]

People today who might find some person online calling them a Nazi are hardly getting accused in any literal sense that it ruins lives. The Right's era of McCarthyism, fear mongering about communists and false allegations, however, wasn't so harmless.
Funny thing, back than USSR indeed had a lot of agents in USA and McCarthy, even as zealous as he was, was not far off the mark. The whole thing could have been handled better, but chasing commies away was a good thing. In general, making commies BTFO is a good thing any place any time.

Also, saying that online harassment from the Left doesn't ruin lives is hilarious: its not only ruin lives, but some people even committed suicide, under pressure of the Twatter mob. But, I guess, every time, when Left attack, harass or kill someone, from Stalin to Twatter trash it doesn't count, since "those people were bad and got consequences for their own doings".

Other things adding fuel to the same fire, the religious right (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority) stemming from the 1970s.

There is no sudden "just this decade" change on either side, there is a lot of longtime activity that feeds into the present climate.

Supposedly a lot of McCarthy's fellow party members were afraid to stand up to him, out of fear of hurting their own political careers. Nothing ever changes.
Tell me any difference between Religious Right and modern Left, outside of ideologies motivating them.

Also, show me which popular Democrats, who matter, gonna stand up to Biden and Occasional Cortez, without fear of being called every name under the sun by their allies.

You're right only about one thing - things don't change.
Just different figureheads take place supported by the same elites, manipulating population to their own ends.

[The Deadman]

L
People today who might find some person online calling them a Nazi are hardly getting accused in any literal sense that it ruins lives. The Right's era of McCarthyism, fear mongering about communists and false allegations, however, wasn't so harmless.
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You must not go on Twitter, where people will literally find someone's employer if they're deemed a "nazi" by someone with an anime avatar.

[mrmaczaps]

To clarify: It's less about outright "condoning harm" and more about how their silly "Respect All Cultures" stuff ends up "accidentally" seeing them excuse the atrocities of people who by rights they should be raging against.

If you ask any Liberal to a person, they'd say "No, of course I'm not okay with raping/stoning women, genital mutilation, murdering gays or any of that stuff. All of that is horrible." Because that's how anyone with any decency thinks.

BUT. If someone were to suggest, "We need to clean house over there. Those People's values are entirely inconsistent with 21st century living, and if they won't self-correct and come out of the Dark Ages, someone ought'a make them... by force, if necessary", at THAT point your average Liberal will say "Wait a minute, we can't do THAT. That's racist! We need to respect their Culture!" When no, we actually don't.

That's what I'm talking about, specifically. How the Liberal belief that "respecting someone's culture" trumps the fact that their culture is entirely toxic and runs completely contrary to what those same Liberals defending them actually believe in.

A person cannot in good conscience say, essentially, "I am against rape. BUT, I don't think we should force Those People Over There to stop raping people, because their culture says it's okay and we need to respect it." Or replace "rape" with "killing all gay people", or whatever, same thing. Again, no Liberal LITERALLY says that... but in a roundabout way, that's how it ends up regardless. They just most likely don't think too deeply about what their defense of "culture" ends up accidentally advocating or excusing.

As for concern for the "regular people" of Afghanistan... I admit I don't live there, and don't speak to too many people who do. But as I understand it, a lot of them don't have any significantly different values than the terrorists do. As in, they pretty much agree with them and share a lot of their values but don't all have the "motivation" to go around blowing stuff up.

IF that's true - which, again, I don't know for a fact that it is, but IF that is true - then I can't say I'm overly concerned for them, personally. I don't wish them specific harm but it's a known fact that the general thinking of the people who live in a large chunk of that section of the world is socially and morally backwards. And it disturbs me how many people would have us "Just stay out of it" when the things they do Over There have a way of eventually affecting everyone.

I empathize with the "regular people" over there who have more "enlightened" thoughts and values. But as far as I'm aware those people still represent a minority. BUT, once again I don't live there so I admit I don't genuinely know.

Most of those "regular people" over there are still followers of islam and while you are correct in that they aren't out blowing themselves up, they fully support the irradication of us "infidels"... being a Conservative, I've had more than my fair share of leftists wish me dead even people I used to call friend and I don't wish them dead. Even invited a couple of them to get tables at my convention later this year.

There is a double standard on the Left. But then, I even see way too much getting into the rinos on the right... the supposed Conservative Rep in my State, Collins, always seems to vote with the leftists on the worst sh!t, yet she still manages to get voted back in Office. Not a damn one of these career politicians cares about us "common folk"... its all about power & money for them or not having their dirty secrets outed. Should turn Afghanistan & DC into parking lots. Start fresh. Socialists & commies can have Afghanistan & people who uphold the COTUS can stay here.

[Coola Yagami]

I guess you could say I used to lean more towards the left, but I have never seen or heard as many death threats or even lost friendships than whenever I chose to disagree with whatever narrative they are following.

Now some racist Republicans out there might wish death upon 'them there gay fellers' but the Left are so quick to wish death upon anyone who disagrees with them it's not even funny.

[Andrew NDB]

I guess you could say I used to lean more towards the left, but I have never seen or heard as many death threats or even lost friendships than whenever I chose to disagree with whatever narrative they are following.

Now some racist Republicans out there might wish death upon 'them there gay fellers' but the Left are so quick to wish death upon anyone who disagrees with them it's not even funny.

Sounds about right. Though I've never met any racist Republicans like that. Mostly just Republicans who want their children insulated from "the gay agenda" who then get called racist/homophobic/nazi.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I, personally, do not agree that "culture" needs to be respected as a rule. What's funny is that Liberals will argue long and loud for the respect and upholding of OTHER "cultures", so long as those cultures aren't America. America, on the other hand, is incurably Bad. So American "culture" needs to be completely overhauled, but any "culture" that glorifies suicide bombers and stoning women to death need to be protected. Figure THAT sh*t out.

American culture was created when people came from all over the Old World to find a new home, and brought culture with them onboard the ship. Once they arrived, cultures and people were mixed to create the melting pot.

The United States of America offers a great diversety and is almost unique (except some other countries in the Americas and Oceania, but that's to a much smaller degree). What matters is not if you observe Christmas Day on 25 December or 7 January (they both occur during the Christmas and holiday season) or what religion you follow, but that the country is guided by Western democracy values (sorry Islamists or any religious extremists, no place for bombings, slavery, slave-like conditions or stoning).

So each time the left extremists spit at American culture, they automatically spit at all cultures of the world with one single spit.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm honestly left to wonder if Biden, knowing full well there is very little chance he'll even make it though his first term one way the other (I just saw him literally falling asleep in front of the Israeli prime minister) and has no chance of a 2nd, is just "taking the hit" for Afghanistan at the behest of his party to get rid of Afghanistan as a thing in the way for whoever they hope the next democrat president will end up being.

It's also funny that whenever there is something being pushed that the democrats decide is "good" or "a win" then the media call it the "Biden-Harris administration" but when something bad is done, like the handling of Afghanistan, then they call it solely the "Biden administration." A little telling.

qMsSVS4lNFk

[Coola Yagami]

I'm honestly left to wonder if Biden, knowing full well there is very little chance he'll even make it though his first term one way the other (I just saw him literally falling asleep in front of the Israeli prime minister) and has no chance of a 2nd, is just "taking the hit" for Afghanistan at the behest of his party to get rid of Afghanistan as a thing in the way for whoever they hope the next democrat president will end up being.

It's also funny that whenever there is something being pushed that the democrats decide is "good" or "a win" then the media call it the "Biden-Harris administration" but when something bad is done, like the handling of Afghanistan, then they call it solely the "Biden administration." A little telling.

qMsSVS4lNFk

On one side, Biden never said he was going for the second term. He said from the beginning this will be his sole term.

And on the other thing, since when do women take the blame for anything?

[The Deadman]

Because Biden would be around 86 when his 2nd term would be ending. Who knows what can happen to his health between now and then.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-refuses-afghanistan-question-walks-away-after-offering-to-take-questions-at-fema

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Evacuation completed

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900

[Andrew NDB]

More like the evacuation has been discontinued.

[Andrew NDB]

Taliban dragging out an Afghan folk singer from his home and shooting him in the head:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/30/asia/fawad-andarabi-afghan-folk-singer-killed-intl/index.html

But don't worry. The UN is on top of it, making strongly worded Tweets to condemn the action.

[IMJ]

Taliban dragging out an Afghan folk singer from his home and shooting him in the head:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/30/asia/fawad-andarabi-afghan-folk-singer-killed-intl/index.html

But don't worry. The UN is on top of it, making strongly worded Tweets to condemn the action.

-facepalms-

[Sumac]

Our Foreign Minister said, that Taliban are "nice guys".
Well, I guess, if he works under guy like Putin, than Taliban can be good guys to him.

[Andrew NDB]

And if you think that's bad...

bGd82IETY64

Remember when the media said the Taliban weren't smart enough to even pilot our helicopters (as in, all of the many we left for them for no reason)? Well, they're flying them. And hanging Afghanis from them, Scarface-style.

Also, to you weirdos who value animals over human life... the Taliban is torturing and killing all of the dogs we left there, too:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-troops-dogs-left-afghanistan-b1911550.html

[oldmanwinters]

I'm honestly left to wonder if Biden, knowing full well there is very little chance he'll even make it though his first term one way the other (I just saw him literally falling asleep in front of the Israeli prime minister) and has no chance of a 2nd, is just "taking the hit" for Afghanistan at the behest of his party to get rid of Afghanistan as a thing in the way for whoever they hope the next democrat president will end up being.

I hope I'm not turning into a conspiracy theorist in my old age, but... this sounds surprisingly reasonable.

[robertfiduciary]

I will be the last person on earth to defend the Taliban's actions. But seriously:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/taliban-hanging-black-hawk/

It took me less than 15 seconds to determine this little piece of misinformation was nonsense.

Protip: Source your material. If you can't source it, maybe don't post it.

Research before you post. Everything you share that can't be backed up (and y'all post a LOT of stuff that can't be backed up. Or else you'd post links and sources, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight? :roll:) weakens your case.



And if you think that's bad...

bGd82IETY64

Remember when the media said the Taliban weren't smart enough to even pilot our helicopters (as in, all of the many we left for them for no reason)? Well, they're flying them. And hanging Afghanis from them, Scarface-style.

Also, to you weirdos who value animals over human life... the Taliban is torturing and killing all of the dogs we left there, too:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-troops-dogs-left-afghanistan-b1911550.html

[mrmaczaps]

I will be the last person on earth to defend the Taliban's actions. But seriously:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/taliban-hanging-black-hawk/

It took me less than 15 seconds to determine this little piece of misinformation was nonsense.

Protip: Source your material. If you can't source it, maybe don't post it.

Research before you post. Everything you share that can't be backed up (and y'all post a LOT of stuff that can't be backed up. Or else you'd post links and sources, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight? :roll:) weakens your case.

Snopes is a liberal owned rag not worth viewing. Lol. Its like looking at any MSM source. :tlol: #fakenews

[1987]

Biden abandoned hundreds of Americans, left dozens of dogs to be slaughtered, and murdered 8 kids in just the last 72 hours

[Sumac]

Biden abandoned hundreds of Americans, left dozens of dogs to be slaughtered, and murdered 8 kids in just the last 72 hours
But he doesn't post mean Tweets, so soymen, landwhales and fragile snowflake losers are not offended!!

[robertfiduciary]

That's very interesting. What sources (that again, no one here is posting) do you use for your news consumption?

Is it high-quality, 100% accurage sources like *checks notes* "Hindustan Times?* :roll:

Snopes is a liberal owned rag not worth viewing. Lol. Its like looking at any MSM source. :tlol: #fakenews

[1987]

lil trip down memory lane, biden calling the US military “stupid bastards”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w6cJO1ioopQ

not surprised he kept looking at his watch multiple times during the US military tribute. biden and the democrats showed more respect for a lowlife felon, george floyd, then they did for our 14 fallen heroes. the very flag that is now draped over the coffins of the fallen, is the same flag that blm and antifa burned, while being cheered by this administration.

twitter will quickly ban any opposition to the mainstream media narrative but the terrorist taliban is more than welcome to have an uncensored twitter account

[robertfiduciary]

And because apparently no one on this hellsite has even an ounce of research capability, here's Politifact with the entire clip of that out of context quote:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/28/instagram-posts/fact-checking-claims-biden-called-troops-stupid-ba/

You're all clearly very passionate about what you believe in. You'd think (after so much practice - seems like some of you have been posting nonsense like this multiple times a day, for many, many, many days) you'd be better at it.

But I guess not? :-?

lil trip down memory lane, biden calling the US military “stupid bastards”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w6cJO1ioopQ

not surprised he kept looking at his watch multiple times during the US military tribute. biden and the democrats showed more respect for a lowlife felon, george floyd, then they did for our 14 fallen heroes. the very flag that is now draped over the coffins of the fallen, is the same flag that blm and antifa burned, while being cheered by this administration.

twitter will quickly ban any opposition to the mainstream media narrative but the terrorist taliban is more than welcome to have an uncensored twitter account

[Sumac]

And because apparently no one on this hellsite
If you don't like it here, maybe you'd back go to your Tumblr Paradise or whatever place this days fits for the likes of you?

[1987]

And because apparently no one on this hellsite has even an ounce of research capability, here's Politifact with the entire clip of that out of context quote:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/28/instagram-posts/fact-checking-claims-biden-called-troops-stupid-ba/

You're all clearly very passionate about what you believe in. You'd think (after so much practice - seems like some of you have been posting nonsense like this multiple times a day, for many, many, many days) you'd be better at it.

But I guess not? :-?

so biden did in fact say those words, right? confirmed by the politifact article you linked clearly says biden did say “clap for that ya stupid bastards” to the military.

how about when the left went into a frenzy about the rumor that Trump said military is “losers and suckers”, but there’s no video evidence of that, just he said/she said.... any chance you have that video clip?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The Talbians now claim they've taken control of the Panjshir Valley

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/world/asia/afghanistan-panjshir-taliban-resistance.html

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[Sumac]

Quite sad.
Not that I expected their war machine to encounter strong obstacles, but still...

Hopefully, resistance leaders have escaped.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Quite sad.

And now, the Talibans continue scaring people into submission.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58472978

[Sumac]

And now, the Talibans continue scaring people into submission.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58472978
"But they are nice guys" our minister said.
Unless he meant that Putin & his cronies will use similar methods to deal with inevitable displeasure of people after 20 years of midget rulership.

[Coola Yagami]

The left is freaking out that the Taliban don't have women in their government. Oh lord.

[Andrew NDB]

The left is freaking out that the Taliban don't have women in their government. Oh lord.

Seeing a lot about the left getting together to write and send strongly worded letters of disappointment and condemnation to the Taliban, while everyone else is talking about hitting the Taliban with sanctions. Letters and sanctions. A couple of weeks ago the Taliban was happily living in caves for 20 years in the mountains. Who of sound mind honestly believe they care about either of these things even one iota? Whenever I think the left couldn't possibly get more knowingly detached from reality, they surprise me again.

And yeah, China and Russia both are very interested in striking deals with the Taliban (recognizing them as the government of Afghanistan for starters) to mine precious metals and build connective highways. The narrative that "China and Russia WANT us to stay in Afghanistan!" was never a real thing. It was the opposite.

The left is freaking out that the Taliban don't have women in their government. Oh lord.

Well, at least they're not killing pregnant policewomen (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58455826).

[Coola Yagami]

Why are people so stupid? Like we got shows, movies and cartoons poking fun at stupid people. How are people this stupid in real life?

[Sumac]

The left is freaking out that the Taliban don't have women in their government. Oh lord.
Every time, when I think Internet Left can't reach new level of retardness, they come and do it.

I just hope that most of those childish cretins are virtue signaling to get headpats and **** on Twatter, but if most of them are anything like this in real life...I am afraid West is doomed.

I feel, like some of those people will continue saying that White people are the worst monsters on the planet, even as Muslim terrorist crushing their skulls.

Maybe they have deserved it and it is just a new form of Darwin selection, which weeds out dumb and worthless members of humanity after all....

But it is sad thought anyway that mighty Western civilization, which succeeded in building most prosperous, safe, progressive and most peaceful societies ever existing on the planet, might end, because, of discontent imbecile parasites, who didn't get enough asspats from parents, were not allowed to chug hormones, call themselves fictional things and **** kids and pets as they please.

[Andrew NDB]

I just hope that most of those childish cretins are virtue signaling to get headpats and **** on Twatter, but if most of them are anything like this in real life

Oh, they never are. Unless they're in a big group of weirdos. Otherwise they fold like a leaf.

[The Deadman]

I dont know whats worse, the fact that the left is up in arms over no women being in a Taliban govt or the fact that theyre actually treating the Taliban as a legit govt.

[Leo656]

The latter is far worse but the former is more absurd.

[IMJ]

I dont know whats worse, the fact that the left is up in arms over no women being in a Taliban govt or the fact that theyre actually treating the Taliban as a legit govt.

Exactly, man. Exactly.

I mean... how is anyone sitting at a table with these people as if they are a Government entity?!

[Sumac]

Exactly, man. Exactly.

I mean... how is anyone sitting at a table with these people as if they are a Government entity?!
West has become to weak and despondent to make any rational stand against this stuff. They prefer to make deals with terrorists instead bombing them into a ground.
Well, they will rip what they sow.

[1987]

Biden showing more anger toward unvaccinated Americans than toward Taliban terrorists who still hold hundreds of Americans hostage.

[The Deadman]

Because Biden hates America more than he does islamic terrorism. Obama was the same way and he's rubbed off on Biden nicely.

[Coola Yagami]

Biden showing more anger toward unvaccinated Americans than toward Taliban terrorists who still hold hundreds of Americans hostage.

Apparently, it's a diversionary tactic to keep our eyes off the Taliban. We'd be too busy being outraged over the mandates.

[1987]

biden kills a family of 10 that general “white rage” milley first claimed were isis-k members

https://www.weaselzippers.us/474138-drone-strike-in-afghanistan-killed-family-of-10-u-s-contractor-aid-worker-not-an-isis-k-terrorist-as-previously-mentioned/

Remember when biden so incompetently left Afghanistan, leading to the killing of 13 service members, our tarnished reputation, and billions in lost weapons & equipment, and as a way to get Americans back to hating each other instead of him, he vilified an entire group of people (unvaccinated) and threatened their livelihoods?

Hitler and the Nazis used typhus hysteria to drum up hatred and fear of Jews, what Biden is doing now is the exact same playbook

[The Deadman]

Michael Moore thinks the ISIS attack was "totally random"

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/571583-michael-moore-flabbergasted-by-the-grace-and-precision-and-safety-of-bidens

"We did have loss of life with a random, vicious terrorist attack by ISIS. But whatever Biden negotiated, everybody kept their word. We left on the day we said we were going to leave, in fact we left the minute before that day, and the Taliban stood by and helped us leave," added Moore."

Spoken like a true Democrat. Who cares if there was loss of life, as long as the goal was achieved, that's all that matters.

[Sumac]

Michael Moore thinks the ISIS attack was "totally random"
Moore either a clinical retard, who thinks that IS an incompetent cartoon villains or a traitor.

[Stephen]

The Taliban government is already arguing with each other.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58560923

A major row broke out between leaders of the Taliban just days after they set up a new government in Afghanistan, senior Taliban officials told the BBC.

Supporters of two rival factions reportedly brawled at the presidential palace in the capital Kabul.

The argument appeared to centre on who did the most to secure victory over the US, and how power was divided up in the new cabinet.

The Taliban have officially denied the reports.

[Sumac]

Who'd expect that bunch of thugs gonna start infighting as soon as they get in power?

[Andrew NDB]

Talks are ongoing with the Taliban. For some reason.

https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/state-department-meets-with-taliban-calls-talks-candid-and-professional

[The Deadman]

Again, I like how we're treating these scumbags as a legit govt. They're not. They're terrorists and should be considered as such. Whatever happened to "we do not negotiate with terrorists?" That **** seemed to die off years ago.

[Sumac]

There terrorists controlling the whole country, so not that different from North Korea or Russia or Turkey or China.

In politics, you need to deal with scumbags, even though Taliban is very very unpleasant type of scumbags. But Western weakness allowed them to become dominating force in their country and now they needed to be talked to. Another is to bomb them to oblivion, but I feel like no-one has guts or money for that, especially in the middle of pandemic, when politicians can make money on endless promises and prohibitions anyway.