Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse

[ZariusTwo]

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse is praised as one of the greatest animated movies in filmmaking history. Its incredible and innovative animation style, along with an amazing score and spectacular storytelling, have allowed the film to go on and win multiple awards and accolades, including a Golden Globe, a BAFTA, and an Academy Award for Best Animated Feature Film. The film is not only regarded as one of the greatest animated feature films but is also praised by Spider-Man fans everywhere as one of the best adaptations of Spider-Man in any medium, which is ironic considering there are multiple Spider-Men (and Woman) included in this 2018 film. So it should be no surprise that the expectations for the upcoming sequel are higher than ever before.

And now according to a LinkedIn listing that we discovered from a CFX supervisor who also worked on the first film, it appears that the sequel will be titled: Spider-Man: Across the Spider-verse!

With this title, and given its predecessor’s ending, we can lightly speculate about the story of the upcoming sequel. Given how the first film was set entirely in the universe 1610 (Miles’ universe), the title seems to lead on that Miles’ next adventure will take place outside his universe and travel across the Spider-Verse along with Gwen Stacy.

Details on the film’s plot are pretty much unknown at this time and what characters could appear (or return) to the film. We know at the moment that both Shameik Moore and Hailee Steinfeld are set to return as Miles Morales and Gwen Stacy, respectively. We also know Issa Rae will be making her debut in the ITSV franchise as Jessica Drew, aka Spider-Woman. We also know from producer Phil Lord that the Japanese Spider-Man “Supaidaman” will be one of the many characters appearing in the film. It can also be assumed that Oscar Issac, who portrayed Miguel O’Hara/Spider-Man 2099 in the post-credit scene of Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, could also make an appearance.


https://www.thecosmiccircus.com/itsv-sequel-title/

[AquaParade]

Spider-Man 2099 has always been one of my favorite stories in comics, so the more we see of 2099, the better.

I'm hoping it'll lead to a spin-off film. I find Miguel O'Hara to be a great character, at least the way Peter David wrote him. His battles always felt so desperate. He'd occasionally have to kill to survive, but you knew it screwed with him to have to do it, just like it would screw with us. There was an edge to those stories, but they didn't try too hard.

Personality-wise, Miguel was sort of like an inverted Peter Parker. They're both intelligent, but Miguel was a wise-ass to the people in his everyday life, and a bit more tongue-tied and in over his head as Spider-Man. It works.

[IndigoErth]

Can't say I keep up on Spider-Man stuff, but the first was a fun watch and had been hoping they'd make another, so I'm glad to hear it.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

As a huge Spidey fan from way back, this truly warms my cockles. I have also had a hankering for some 2099 Spidey, so this is way cool news. Can't wait to see where it goes!

[ZariusTwo]

So it looks like Sony have split the movie in two parts, the first instalment comes out October 7th 2022, here's the first look, which also confirms Spider-Man 2099 will have a bigger role

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[neatoman]

Two parts? That's quite confident from a financial standpoint, what's the reason? Were there just so many ideas they couldn't fit into one movie or something?

[Zulithe]

First one was great, though it looks like Peter isn't in this one and he helped make the movie for me. I mean, there could be some other versions of him, so that might be cool.

[ZariusTwo]

First one was great, though it looks like Peter isn't in this one and he helped make the movie for me. I mean, there could be some other versions of him, so that might be cool.

I think the core three of the movie will be Miles, Gwen and Miguel (2099) but I'm sure Peter B will still show up. I'm hoping he's become the RYV Spider-Man with MJ and their kid Annie as his partners

[Autbot_Benz]

Sony’s animated sequel to the Oscar winning movie Spider-Man: Into the Spider-verse, Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse is moving from Oct. 7 this year to June 2, 2023. The news is breaking just before the studio’s presentation at CinemaCon next week.

Meanwhile, the pic’s sequel, Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse Part II, is dated for March 29, 2024.

Stop with pushing Movies to a year or two later. You Can't use Covid as an excuse anymore this is getting annoying

https://deadline.com/2022/04/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-summer-2023-theatrical-release-sony-release-date-changes-1235007010/

[superstaff]

First one was great, though it looks like Peter isn't in this one and he helped make the movie for me. I mean, there could be some other versions of him, so that might be cool.

Peter B's arc is basically done, so they'd either need to give him another one, or just minimize his role. He was my favorite in the first one (though I love Miles and Gwen as well), but I am okay with him getting replaced.

Also the delay worries me, and upsets me. 2022 seems like a mostly meh year for movies for me. No, not excited for Lightyear or the MCU stuff before anyone asks.

[neatoman]

Stop with pushing Movies to a year or two later. You Can't use Covid as an excuse anymore this is getting annoying

https://deadline.com/2022/04/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-summer-2023-theatrical-release-sony-release-date-changes-1235007010/

... Yeah, why is it getting pushed? What's the real reason?

Is there something else that might be more profitable in the pipeline? Is there something that need to be redone because of low quality? Are they reconsidering their plans with the license? Was the movie made using a bad script?

[ZariusTwo]

Peter B's arc is basically done, so they'd either need to give him another one, or just minimize his role. He was my favorite in the first one (though I love Miles and Gwen as well), but I am okay with him getting replaced.

Peter B can come back to show how far he's come as a committed husband and potential father

[superstaff]

Peter B can come back to show how far he's come as a committed husband and potential father

That's not a story arc, that's just showing what happened after the first movie was done.

[AquaParade]

I'm looking forward to seeing Spider-Man 2099, but not all that disappointed because I don't love the first film as much as most people.

There is definitely a lot to appreciate, but overall, I find it too loud & noisy. How old does that make me sound? It just felt like a constant assault on my senses.

[ZariusTwo]

That's not a story arc, that's just showing what happened after the first movie was done.

If they're exploring the love story between Gwen and Miles, Peter, MJ and their daughter can tag along to show what it's like to be partners and have a family. There's a good chance they'll base them off of the Renew Your Vows versions.

[superstaff]

If they're exploring the love story between Gwen and Miles, Peter, MJ and their daughter can tag along to show what it's like to be partners and have a family. There's a good chance they'll base them off of the Renew Your Vows versions.

Unless they skip ahead into the future in Peter B's alternate dimension, then he won't have a child, but a baby (or not).

The teaser implies only a few months have gone by, at most.

[IMJ]

I would be so down with a Spider-Man 2099 movie, whether or not it was animated or live-action.

[ZariusTwo]

Unless they skip ahead into the future in Peter B's alternate dimension, then he won't have a child, but a baby (or not).

The teaser implies only a few months have gone by, at most.

In the comics, the Renew Your Vows Parker family raised their daughter from eight to fifteen in their universe, and when they crossed over to other realities for the Spider-Geddon event, the core universe was still in it's own present

If you've watched Sliders, there was one universe where events from thirty years past were playing out as if it were the present. There's a whole legitimate scientific thesis on how that is possible and it's explained in the episode. Past or Future events can occur to someone who may only have seen mere months pass by since they last saw them

[superstaff]

In the comics, the Renew Your Vows Parker family raised their daughter from eight to fifteen in their universe, and when they crossed over to other realities for the Spider-Geddon event, the core universe was still in it's own present

If you've watched Sliders, there was one universe where events from thirty years past were playing out as if it were the present. There's a whole legitimate scientific thesis on how that is possible and it's explained in the episode. Past or Future events can occur to someone who may only have seen mere months pass by since they last saw them

I'm aware of Sliders, and whatnot, but based on the first movie, it seems they are all supposed to be parallel dimensions that are happening all at once. This is why Miles and Gwen both remain the same age in the teaser.

[ZariusTwo]

The Scarlet Spider Ben Reilly, Peter's clone, has been confirmed for the movie

https://twitter.com/RenMelnik/status/1543191916317229057?t=LI52M7kNFZsRzfYKzI-YGA&s=19

[ZariusTwo]

Plot details from Totalfilm

https://www.gamesradar.com/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-exclusive-gwen-stacy/

Miles meets up with a group of Spiders who protect the multiverse from threats, and finds himself in conflict with them over how to deal with their enemy The Spot, who has a unique connection to Miles.

There's a trailer dropping today also.

[Coola Yagami]

Love how Miles can't stand on his own two feet. They just have to continue to use the multiverse as a selling point.

For Miles to succeed he's going to eventually need a solo film.

[ChosenOne]

We're long past the days of solo superhero movies, for better or worse.

[IMJ]

We're long past the days of solo superhero movies, for better or worse.

Yeah. It's like every movie now has to be an ensemble cast - no character gets his own arc, independent of the "universe" now. It's way overcompenstated.

[Autbot_Benz]

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[ZariusTwo]

Confirmed for the movie

-There is a rift between Miles and the Spider-Force that protects the multiverse, and a conflict between him and Miguel O'Hara

-Gwen and Spider-Punk Hobie Brown have a friendship that makes Miles envious

-Peter B Parker is back and has had a young daughter with Mary Jane, she is a redheaded Mayday Parker.

[AquaParade]

Miguel O’Hara is the best alternate Spider-Man, but all these cameos they are talking up just worry me. I don’t get off in just seeing a hundred Spider-people swinging around together, being who they are and making jokes about it. I would have preferred a less is more approach.

Still, there is a lot here that appeals to me so I can’t help but look forward to it on some level. I didn’t love the first as much as some people, so it’s a toss up for me right now.

[IMJ]

Imagine a Spider-Man 2099 movie shot with the heart of No Way Home and the cinematography of Blade Runner 2049......

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah. It's like every movie now has to be an ensemble cast - no character gets his own arc, independent of the "universe" now. It's way overcompenstated.

Yeah but most of them (not counting No Way Home) don't deal with multiple versions of the same character.

Even a movie where Miles leads a team with Kamala, America and whoever else is a modern-day teenage hero and hopefully find some sort individuality. Here, he's pretty much playing second fiddle to a literally bucketful of Spider-Men.

Should be entertaining at least.

[IMJ]

Should be entertaining at least.

Yeah the first one was surprisingly good. Animation style and all....

[ZariusTwo]

There are reports that the film has had a troubled production

https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-major-problems/

[AquaParade]

Worry not…

This is also fine.

[ZariusTwo]

The film will explore the romance between Gwen and Miles, with Spider-Punk acting as a bit of a foil

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-love-story-miles-gwen-exclusive/

[Barkworm]

I thought the first one was excellent in the first two acts but it got too convoluted in the final part with the several Spider-People. Unfortunately, this one looks to be even worse in that aspect.

[oldmanwinters]

They really should release this on Easter and call it Spider-Peeps.

[ZariusTwo]

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[Cowabung-Gal]

I’m not gonna go see it, but I’ll admit, that scene with the Spider-Man Pointing Meme made me laugh. :lol:

[neatoman]

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Let me guess, some variant of the "real" Miles Morales is running around and souring this Miles' reputation?
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[AquaParade]

Nice pull. Almost forgot about that.

I’m most excited to see Miguel O’Hara. The original Spider-Man 2099 runs is one of the best Spider-Man comic runs imo.

[TurtleManiac]

Transgender flag spotted in new trailer:

https://i.imgur.com/ifL5BSk.jpg?3

[Autbot_Benz]

Miles has a #BLM pin on his book bag

https://i.imgur.com/4YiNQXv.png

[Cowabung-Gal]

Miles has a #BLM pin on his book bag

https://i.imgur.com/4YiNQXv.png

He gives his money away to scam artists? Some hero.

[CyberCubed]

Does Black Live Matters still exist? I thought all those riots stopped around 2020/2021. I haven't heard anything about it in a year or two.

[Coola Yagami]

Does Black Live Matters still exist? I thought all those riots stopped around 2020/2021. I haven't heard anything about it in a year or two.

They're still around. It wasn't that long ago that they were exposed for using the money to buy luxury cars and mansions.

WTF with this movie and the woke propaganda??? I guess they decided to go all in on this one.

Also Why the **** would BLM and Transkids exist in his alternate Earth? The heroes would have saved George Floyd's sorry ass seconds before throwing him into jail and prevented all the riots.

[CyberCubed]

I just assumed black people got tired of police throwing tear gas in their eyes or beating them with clubs and arresting them that they stopped rioting. If I were black I wouldn't be caught dead rioting in the streets.

[Coola Yagami]

I just assumed black people got tired of police throwing tear gas in their eyes or beating them with clubs and arresting them that they stopped rioting. If I were black I wouldn't be caught dead rioting in the streets.

Never change Mr Cubed..... never change.

[ZariusTwo]

From all the woke easter eggs and the trailer still not making it clear what the plot actually is, I see this film having a tough time. Some of the other things annoy me like Spider-Therapy, referencing the MCU, and the repeat of the pointing meme.

If it weren't for little baby May and me being a fan of Miguel, I'd give it a miss.

[AquaParade]

Yeah, I’m counting the theater experience out after seeing how hard they are going on the heavy-handed pandering. I love Spider-Man 2099 but I’ll just watch this at home. I’m still interested enough to see it but I’m just exhausted politically. Last thing I want to do is think about trans-rights and BLM when watching a movie in 2023. I just can’t anymore.

[TurtleManiac]

They're still around. It wasn't that long ago that they were exposed for using the money to buy luxury cars and mansions.

WTF with this movie and the woke propaganda??? I guess they decided to go all in on this one.

Also Why the **** would BLM and Transkids exist in his alternate Earth? The heroes would have saved George Floyd's sorry ass seconds before throwing him into jail and prevented all the riots.

Probably cause woke propaganda is the “current thing” now for movies and pop culture. Probably inspired by Joe Biden’s cabinet of LGBTQ+. Now I’m wondering if they also will include a transgender flag in the new TMNT movie.

The “protect trans kids” thing is really weird. It really should be about protecting kids from abusive parents/guardians and becoming trans in the first place, no kid is born “trans”. And now they are promoting it in movies like this, what is their endgame, to encourage more kids to become trans?

Also interesting how Trump recently put out a statement condemning “gender affirming care” and genital mutilation of children, and right after that the Manhattan DA start aggressively going after Trump. They must really need this transgender propaganda to go unchallenged as part of their woke agenda, promoting degeneracy to a crumbling society.

[CyberCubed]

I can't watch movies with minorities as the leads anymore without being subjected to messages beyond my control!

Funny thing is Miles is both black and Hispanic, so it makes him a double minority. It's like a 2 for 1 sale. They can promote things both ways.

[Sumac]

The “protect trans kids” thing is really weird. It really should be about protecting kids from abusive parents/guardians and becoming trans in the first place, no kid is born “trans”. And now they are promoting it in movies like this, what is their endgame, to encourage more kids to become trans?
According to transreligion, if you want kids to not to butcher themselves, you are comiting horrible transgenocide (whatever the **** it means, since trans aren't a national, ethnical or racial group to qualify by that definition of genocide).

Apparently if you save kids from butchering - you are killing trans, in their warped reality.
In actual world it means: they want to prop up their numbers using innocent kids, so **** those freaks.

I just assumed black people got tired of police throwing tear gas in their eyes or beating them with clubs and arresting them that they stopped rioting. If I were black I wouldn't be caught dead rioting in the streets.
I like you. In a platonic way. :lol:
It takes some guts or lack of brains to say something like this.

[Barkworm]

It takes some guts or lack of brains to say something like this.

Which one do you think is it with this particular guy?

[Sumac]

Which one do you think is it with this particular guy?
I have no idea. :ohwell:
He sounds to rational to be stupid, yet to earnest for a troll.

[ZariusTwo]

Cliffhanger ending confirmed.

https://www.gamesradar.com/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-cliffhanger-ending-empire-strikes-back/

[TheCanadiandrome]

I’m hoping this will be good. I’m in the minority of folks who didn’t care much for the first film, the fact that this is being split into two parts has me intrigued some.

[Cowabung-Gal]

“If you don’t watch this movie, you’re a racist and a transphobe!”

Come on, you KNOW they will go that route.

[TheCanadiandrome]

“If you don’t watch this movie, you’re a racist and a transphobe!”

Come on, you KNOW they will go that route.
Well color me all the above then, j/k. Now I wanna see it out of spite alone

[Sumac]

“If you don’t watch this movie, you’re a racist and a transphobe!”

Come on, you KNOW they will go that route.
Who said it this time around, so I could file them under my shitlist?

[ZariusTwo]

First reactions are in.

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-reactions-1235624765/

[ZariusTwo]

It's a hit at 95% on RT so far

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spider_man_across_the_spider_verse

[Sumac]

Even outside of (allegedly) cringe humor and even more cringe BLM and trans trash signs (allegedly) being in the movie, this whole "choppy animation" thing looks ugly as **** to me. If I watch it, it will be few months from now on and only in small doses, since choppy ****ed up animation makes me queasy.

[ZariusTwo]

The whole movie has been spoiled online in places, I'll leave a synopsis here based on what I read

The first twenty or so minutes aren't even about Miles, it focuses on Gwen and a typical day in her life being upturned by a battle with an 16th century Vulture, Gwen fights him alongside Miguel O'Hara and Jessica Drew, but her identity is exposed to her father George. Miguel offers Gwen a place in the Spider-Society and Gwen run away with them.

In between failing grades and clashing with his parents, Miles is also battling a villain who can cross dimensions called The Spot, a b-villain in the comics who also played a significant role in the 90s Spider-Man animated series. It is revealed The Spot was the creator of the irradiated Spider that bit Miles many years ago, but the Spot and the spider originated on another Earth in the multiverse.

Miles is recruited by Gwen into the Spider-Society, he meets up with Peter B Parker, who worked out his relationship with Mary Jane and got busy with her, producing an infant daughter, Mayday Parker.

Miles discovers from the society's leader Miguel O'Hara that he is an anomaly, he was never meant to receive his powers Now that he has his abilities, the web of life and destiny demands a sacrifice be made. All Spiders are fated to lose their most influential people in 'fixed' points in time (think Doctor Who), if they are prevented, incursions open up in the multiverse, threatening to unravel it.

Miles learns his father is destined to die and seeks to prevent it, which makes him an enemy of the entire Society. Miles uses a device to transport back to his home Earth, or so he thinks, but he finds himself on the Earth from where his Spider originated. Here, he finds the Prowler exists, but he is a variant of him.

Meanwhile, Gwen decides to try and find Miles before Miguel can, and recruits the original team from Into The Spider-Verse. The film ends at this point, to be continued

[Coola Yagami]

The whole movie has been spoiled online in places, I'll leave a synopsis here based on what I read

The first twenty or so minutes aren't even about Miles, it focuses on Gwen and a typical day in her life being upturned by a battle with an 16th century Vulture, Gwen fights him alongside Miguel O'Hara and Jessica Drew, but her identity is exposed to her father George. Miguel offers Gwen a place in the Spider-Society and Gwen run away with them.

In between failing grades and clashing with his parents, Miles is also battling a villain who can cross dimensions called The Spot, a b-villain in the comics who also played a significant role in the 90s Spider-Man animated series. It is revealed The Spot was the creator of the irradiated Spider that bit Miles many years ago, but the Spot and the spider originated on another Earth in the multiverse.

Miles is recruited by Gwen into the Spider-Society, he meets up with Peter B Parker, who worked out his relationship with Mary Jane and got busy with her, producing an infant daughter, Mayday Parker.

Miles discovers from the society's leader Miguel O'Hara that he is an anomaly, he was never meant to receive his powers Now that he has his abilities, the web of life and destiny demands a sacrifice be made. All Spiders are fated to lose their most influential people in 'fixed' points in time (think Doctor Who), if they are prevented, incursions open up in the multiverse, threatening to unravel it.

Miles learns his father is destined to die and seeks to prevent it, which makes him an enemy of the entire Society. Miles uses a device to transport back to his home Earth, or so he thinks, but he finds himself on the Earth from where his Spider originated. Here, he finds the Prowler exists, but he is a variant of him.

Meanwhile, Gwen decides to try and find Miles before Miguel can, and recruits the original team from Into The Spider-Verse. The film ends at this point, to be continued

That sound horrible... the first one was on point but they just had to go and **** it up. I knew the trailers kept making Miguel look like the bad guy here.

[Sumac]

Sounds like a complex mess.

[Cowabung-Gal]

This movie sounds like The Bomb. The Box Office Bomb that is.

[TheCanadiandrome]

The whole movie has been spoiled online in places, I'll leave a synopsis here based on what I read

The first twenty or so minutes aren't even about Miles, it focuses on Gwen and a typical day in her life being upturned by a battle with an 16th century Vulture, Gwen fights him alongside Miguel O'Hara and Jessica Drew, but her identity is exposed to her father George. Miguel offers Gwen a place in the Spider-Society and Gwen run away with them.

In between failing grades and clashing with his parents, Miles is also battling a villain who can cross dimensions called The Spot, a b-villain in the comics who also played a significant role in the 90s Spider-Man animated series. It is revealed The Spot was the creator of the irradiated Spider that bit Miles many years ago, but the Spot and the spider originated on another Earth in the multiverse.

Miles is recruited by Gwen into the Spider-Society, he meets up with Peter B Parker, who worked out his relationship with Mary Jane and got busy with her, producing an infant daughter, Mayday Parker.

Miles discovers from the society's leader Miguel O'Hara that he is an anomaly, he was never meant to receive his powers Now that he has his abilities, the web of life and destiny demands a sacrifice be made. All Spiders are fated to lose their most influential people in 'fixed' points in time (think Doctor Who), if they are prevented, incursions open up in the multiverse, threatening to unravel it.

Miles learns his father is destined to die and seeks to prevent it, which makes him an enemy of the entire Society. Miles uses a device to transport back to his home Earth, or so he thinks, but he finds himself on the Earth from where his Spider originated. Here, he finds the Prowler exists, but he is a variant of him.

Meanwhile, Gwen decides to try and find Miles before Miguel can, and recruits the original team from Into The Spider-Verse. The film ends at this point, to be continued

Sounds like a convoluted mess imo. Also, I don't recall "Spot" being in the 90s Spider-Man series, unless I'm mistaken, and I re-watched it some

[Sumac]

Sounds like a convoluted mess imo. Also, I don't recall "Spot" being in the 90s Spider-Man series, unless I'm mistaken, and I re-watched it some
He was, albeit for couple episodes only, if I remember right.

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[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, Spot was in the show for a bit, but it was what he left behind (the time dilation accelerator) that contributed to a great deal of the show's dramatic beats and was almost responsible for the destruction of the multiverse in the Spider-Wars finale.

Seen a few clips online

Andrew Garfield is in the film, but it's just stock footage from his first movie, it's when George Stacy dies, they use the death of George more than Uncle Ben to draw parallels between Miles, Peter B, and Gwen since both George and Miles' dad are police captains, they use panels of George's death from the original comics too.

Josh Keaton's Spectacular Spider-Man is there also, but his one line is to tell Miles he has to let someone die.
That sound horrible... the first one was on point but they just had to go and **** it up. I knew the trailers kept making Miguel look like the bad guy here.

The reason Miguel is so aware of the damage changing the web's 'canon' can do (canon is a word they specifically use) is because he altered the history of one universe himself, replacing a variant of Miguel that had been killed and raising his family as his own, which triggers an incursion that destroys the world and his family.

[Barkworm]

This movie sounds like The Bomb. The Box Office Bomb that is.

Are you serious? This is going to be a huge hit.

[Shark_Blade]

Not me knowing damn well Across The SpiderVerse Part 1 will end in a cliffhanger and still got upset when it ends in a cliffhanger. I want more it’s so good :tcry:

[ZariusTwo]

Donald Glover appears as a live-action Miles variant

[Cowabung-Gal]

Are you serious? This is going to be a huge hit.

I dunno. You really think parents (or at least the ones who are paying attention) are gonna take their kids to see a movie with a “Protect Trans Kids” poster in it?

I once had a conversation with a guy who had no idea that Blue’s Clues had a Pride segment with trans beavers that had scars from top surgery or that they even mentioned pansexuality. When I mentioned that to him, he was shocked and became outraged. He declared that there would be no more Blue’s Clues in his house and that his kids would have to play with something else.

Besides, there’s already a superhero fatigue among the audience, which is part of the reason why Marvel movies have been bombing lately. And since the movie has already been spoiled online, a lot of people are probably not even gonna bother watching this.

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe this will be a hit regardless of the subliminal messaging in it. However, the media initially scoffed at the idea of boycotting Bud Light or Target, and well, look at the stock of those companies right now.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, Spot was in the show for a bit, but it was what he left behind (the time dilation accelerator) that contributed to a great deal of the show's dramatic beats and was almost responsible for the destruction of the multiverse in the Spider-Wars finale.

Seen a few clips online

Andrew Garfield is in the film, but it's just stock footage from his first movie, it's when George Stacy dies, they use the death of George more than Uncle Ben to draw parallels between Miles, Peter B, and Gwen since both George and Miles' dad are police captains, they use panels of George's death from the original comics too.

Josh Keaton's Spectacular Spider-Man is there also, but his one line is to tell Miles he has to let someone die.


The reason Miguel is so aware of the damage changing the web's 'canon' can do (canon is a word they specifically use) is because he altered the history of one universe himself, replacing a variant of Miguel that had been killed and raising his family as his own, which triggers an incursion that destroys the world and his family.

Regardless the motive and reason, still sucks they had to make Miguel the bad guy. 'We has a Hispanic Spider-Man pre-woke era, but he doesn't count, our woke Obama-inspired Spider-Man is better!'

[Barkworm]

I dunno. You really think parents (or at least the ones who are paying attention) are gonna take their kids to see a movie with a “Protect Trans Kids” poster in it?

I once had a conversation with a guy who had no idea that Blue’s Clues had a Pride segment with trans beavers that had scars from top surgery or that they even mentioned pansexuality. When I mentioned that to him, he was shocked and became outraged. He declared that there would be no more Blue’s Clues in his house and that his kids would have to play with something else.

Besides, there’s already a superhero fatigue among the audience, which is part of the reason why Marvel movies have been bombing lately. And since the movie has already been spoiled online, a lot of people are probably not even gonna bother watching this.

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe this will be a hit regardless of the subliminal messaging in it. However, the media initially scoffed at the idea of boycotting Bud Light or Target, and well, look at the stock of those companies right now.

Yeah, no. It's going to do fine. (https://www.boxofficepro.com/weekend-box-office-forecast-spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-and-the-boogeyman/)

[TheCanadiandrome]

He was, albeit for couple episodes only, if I remember right.

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Omg thank you so much

[Sumac]

I dunno. You really think parents (or at least the ones who are paying attention) are gonna take their kids to see a movie with a “Protect Trans Kids” poster in it?
Would they even notice it until someone points it out to them?
Sadly this **** has been normalized so much they might not even give a damn about this.

[ChosenOne]

Movie was off the charts! I got more villains than I expected for my fix (including a very unexpected little cameo from Armadillo of all people), the final fight is pretty cool, especially when it goes vertical... Loads of little things and great fun! Loved it! Too bad we won't be seeing Morlun and his ilk any time soon with this creative team, though.

[ZariusTwo]

Movie was off the charts! I got more villains than I expected for my fix (including a very unexpected little cameo from Armadillo of all people), the final fight is pretty cool, especially when it goes vertical... Loads of little things and great fun! Loved it! Too bad we won't be seeing Morlun and his ilk any time soon with this creative team, though.

That's a good thing. The original Spider-Verse story is f*cking garbage and they're a big reason why.

[ChosenOne]

That's a good thing. The original Spider-Verse story is f*cking garbage and they're a big reason why.

Not if you consider that all the Spider-People have no one to fight in the third film, after Miguel inevitably comes around. What, they're all gonna gang up on Spot? Not a good look. Though there is a throwaway line near the end about a Sinister Six in 42... That has to be there for a reason.

[Shark_Blade]

‘SPIDER-MAN: ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE’ made $51.8M in its opening day at the domestic box office, the biggest opening day at the domestic box office in 2023 so far.

https://twitter.com/filmupdates/status/1665016246058774528?s=46&t=YS3ockWJMscglea0jsy8-w

Hold on to your seats guys this is even bigger than Mario’s opening ($26m)!

[ZariusTwo]

Not if you consider that all the Spider-People have no one to fight in the third film, after Miguel inevitably comes around. What, they're all gonna gang up on Spot? Not a good look

The Spot is being built up to be a massive threat, in a "people will never view this guy comically again" sort of way.

Besides, there's other threats out there. The most recent Spider-Verse event in the comics made use of the Spider Wasp Queen Shathra

[Shark_Blade]

Damn it’s getting bigger.

‘ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE’ earns $120.5M in the film’s domestic opening weekend.
https://twitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1665367777022967813?s=46&t=YS3ockWJMscglea0jsy8-w

[TonySiegel]

What a great movie!

The crowd on opening night was very involved with the cheering, laughter and gasps.

Looking forward to the next one...

Miles dropped back to back bangers.

[Andrew NDB]

Is Spider-Gwen really trans?

https://fandomwire.com/gwen-is-blatantly-a-trans-woman-in-this-movie-across-the-spider-verse-spider-gwen-fan-theory-changes-everything/

[Shark_Blade]

Nah that’s just some fans headcanon.

[Sumac]

Those ****ing pedocreeps ready to proclaim any attractive female character "trans" all just to pretend that men can "pass" as women. Reality is that most of those transcreeps are fat, ugly and you need to be either blind or extremely drunk to confuse them for women in any way shape or form.

Its like those Tumblr losers who were saying Gay characters in every single character. Just significantly worse.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Nah that’s just some fans headcanon.

For now.

But if enough people demand it, and if Sony cares more about social credit than profit, it will definitely become canon.

[ZariusTwo]

Gwen Stacy retconned into a boy would be the best thing ever:lol:

Girl is literally only ever famous for her controversies.

Don't get me wrong, MJ has her controversies too, but she always survives them and is remembered fondly as Peter's wife and mother of his children regardless . Gwen? "Oh she died, oh she's a clone, oh she's had sex with Norman Osborn, oh her kids were clones created by a supercomputer, oh she's an uninteresting superhero who barely moves sales"

[Andrew NDB]

For now.

But if enough people demand it, and if Sony cares more about social credit than profit, it will definitely become canon.

It sounds to me like they put juuust enough in the movie intentionally so that people could read that into the character if they so chose.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Those ****ing pedocreeps ready to proclaim any attractive female character "trans" all just to pretend that men can "pass" as women. Reality is that most of those transcreeps are fat, ugly and you need to be either blind or extremely drunk to confuse them for women in any way shape or form.

Its like those Tumblr losers who were saying Gay characters in every single character. Just significantly worse.

Lmao :lol::lol:

Damn it’s getting bigger.

‘ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE’ earns $120.5M in the film’s domestic opening weekend.
https://twitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1665367777022967813?s=46&t=YS3ockWJMscglea0jsy8-w

Just like it was fortold in all the commercials, this truely is the greatest Spider-Man movie ever, period end of story :lol::lol:

[neatoman]

I just watched the movie. It's fine but seems a bit bloated, I legitimately doubt it needed to be 140 minutes long, it really does come across like they decided to release an extended blu-ray edition in the cinema. What's there is mostly pretty good but I can't help but shake the feeling you could cut at least 30 minutes out of this movie and it wouldn't hurt the quality much, maybe even that you could even splice this with the next movie into the 140 minutes runtime this one got, possibly shorter still.

I'm also a little bit confused about the "canon" concept here, George Stacy or a similar character needs to die? The whole universe will be destroyed unless some cop dies? OK, even if you accept that, is Miles seriously going to be able to save his dad without destroying the world? Or is Jeff going to die anyway? Or maybe they'll cop out and say Jeff isn't the George Stacy stand-in and someone else dies?

As for the elephant in the room, the "Gwen is trans" thing. No, the movie never states that she is trans nor does it have any hard hints that she is, so in theory you can come out of this movie not thinking that she is... And I thought I would come out of this thinking the movie wasn't actually trying to imply anything like that… But it is true that she has the "protect trans-kids" poster and her dad does appear to wear a trans flag and... Yes, there are a lot of scenes focused on her using the pink-light-blue-white color scheme all over the background, to the point where you see those colors more than any acutal objects in the background. Again, never explicit or even very implicit but once you know of that interpretation, it's kind of hard to ignore.

The thing is, I'm not sure how this aligns with Sony's contract. The 2011 contract states that Spider-Man (any character called Spider-Man, not just Peter Parker) must conform to this statements "He is male", "Not a homosexual (unless Marvel has portrayed that alter ego as a homosexual)" or else Marvel can sue for damages. Granted Gwen isn't "Spider-Man" and if she's trans that might override the idea that Miles (who is called "Spider-Man") has a homosexual attraction. And of course the contract is 12 years old and may have been updated to make sure it is allowed to have trans-spider-characters? Still, it's possible that it isn't allowed to even strongly hint that she is trans, which is why anything that would imply this is vague but still prominent, i.e. someone working on this movie really wanted her to be trans and this is as close as they were allowed to get? I really don't know. Ultimately, the contract was only ever explicit about how Peter Parker and Spider-Man should be depicted, Gwen Stacy and Miles Morales are really only mentioned there by civilian names and that they must be following some character integrity traits if they are depicted as Spider-Man. Technically speaking, aside from the Spider-Man integrity stuff, Sony would be allowed to change virtually everything about Miles Morales because the character just isn't described beyond beyond being an acceptable alternative to Peter Parker.

[ZariusTwo]

Turns out there was originally a post-credits scene involving the Spot that was cut along with a scene earlier in the movie that set it up

https://www.indiewire.com/features/animation/across-the-spider-verse-spot-animation-post-credits-1234869923/

[TheCanadiandrome]

I read on IGNs Snapchat that some people were experiencing sound issues when they went to see it, blaming theaters for not having the volume up sufficiently. I’m wondering if it’s not a case of rediculously loud background music that seems to plague a lot of movies and even television shows. It sucks when you’re watching something and the damn background music over powers the dialogue

[ChosenOne]

It sucks when you’re watching something and the damn background music over powers the dialogue

Sounds (heh) like you're familiar with Portuguese fiction.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Sounds (heh) like you're familiar with Portuguese fiction.

My Portuguese is a little rusty :lol:

[ChosenOne]

My Portuguese is a little rusty :lol:

Ah, so you’re Brazilian! :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

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[TheCanadiandrome]

Ah, so you’re Brazilian! :lol:

Only my bikini line :lol:

[oldmanwinters]

Maybe it will all be explained in "Part 2" (or is it Part 3?), but...

This movie seems to attach WAY too much weight to the generic "Death of a Police Captain Close to Spider-man" as an essential character-defining canon event.

Like...
that's Uncle Ben level-stuff that would implode a universe's entire reality if it didn't happen? Surely there's at least one Marvel What-If? comic where that event didn't happen in Spidey's history.

[ZariusTwo]

The small favour to trans rights has cost the movie some money

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/spider-man-across-spider-verse-014957695.html

[Cowabung-Gal]

The small favour to trans rights has cost the movie some money

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/spider-man-across-spider-verse-014957695.html

https://media.tenor.com/QTS0cuFgA7gAAAAd/salem-cat-salem-sabrina.gif

[ChosenOne]

If Gwen were trans, would that make Miles gay?

[Sumac]

If Gwen were trans, would that make Miles gay?
According to Transcult: "No / Yes / Maybe?". :lol:

No, because, according to TRA religion, if Gwen is trans she is like all other women, despite either having a dick or an axe wound where it was.
Yes, because, it is more inclusivity and diversity, to heck with their own dogma!!
Maybe, if you feel like you don't want to be bullied by trans lunatics.

Also, not all Muslim countries are hostile to trans, in large, because, they see transition as lesser of two evils, between Gay or Trans. Apparently, as long as person fits in their traditional view of gender roles, it doesn't matter who they are biologically or why. So they are also lunatics, but in entirely different way.

[IMJ]

Why can't Miles Morales be gay? Is Marvel saying that only popular, white Peter Parker is good enough to be gay?

[ChosenOne]

Why can't Miles Morales be gay? Is Marvel saying that only popular, white Peter Parker is good enough to be gay?

Dunno, just a dumb question that came to mind.

[Coola Yagami]

According to Transcult: "No / Yes / Maybe?". :lol:

No, because, according to TRA religion, if Gwen is trans she is like all other women, despite either having a dick or an axe wound where it was.
Yes, because, it is more inclusivity and diversity, to heck with their own dogma!!
Maybe, if you feel like you don't want to be bullied by trans lunatics.

Also, not all Muslim countries are hostile to trans, in large, because, they see transition as lesser of two evils, between Gay or Trans. Apparently, as long as person fits in their traditional view of gender roles, it doesn't matter who they are biologically or why. So they are also lunatics, but in entirely different way.

I heard in some Muslim countries gay people pretty much have to make a choice, either transition or die. Whenever it's ever discovered that you're gay of course, I feel it's downright suicidal to come out in a Muslim country. It's like you said, they sorta see transpeople as the 'lesser of two evils' over there.

[Coola Yagami]

If Gwen were trans, would that make Miles gay?

The correct answer is yes, or at least bi. But saying that gets you in trouble.

The PC 'please don't cancel me' answer is no, because transwomen are women.

[Shark_Blade]

Trans women are trans women, not women. Saying otherwise is delusional and erasing true women everywhere.

Anyway, interestingly Miles was pitched to be a possibly gay Spider-Man early on. Why it didn’t took off?

Marvel Comics reveals the new Spider Man is black - and he could be gay in the future
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2021563/Marvel-Comics-reveal-new-Spider-Man-black-gay-future.html
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/110803/multiracial-spider-man-controversy-marvel-comics

[ChosenOne]

Trans women are trans women, not women. Saying otherwise is delusional and erasing true women everywhere.

They're men, you mean.

[neatoman]

Technically she never meant that about Miles himself, she was just speaking abstractly about some future "gay or black or both" superhero. Her point was more about Miles being an afro-latino superhero who takes up the Spider-Man name would lead to this sort of thing becoming common... Which, uh, good on her for "predicting" it? That has happened quite a lot since then, though I wouldn't quite call it a prediction when… You know… She was working with a company who seemingly decided to keep doing that sort of thing at that time.

Anyway, even if Miles was pitched as gay, I doubt Marvel would have allowed it. I'm not even talking out my ass here, there is actually precedent for it. In 2011 (the same year Miles debuted by the way) Sony had signed a new contract with Marvel after presumably renegotiating the terms to keep the characters longer, a contract that has since then leaked. According to this contract:

Mandatory Spider-Man Character Traits. Spider-Man (whether Peter Parker or an alternative Spider-Man character) must always strictly conform to the following “Mandatory Character Traits”:
…
Not a homosexual (unless Marvel has portrayed that alter ego as a homosexual)
…
Marvel can enjoin a Picture if it does not conform to the foregoing Mandatory Character Traits. For any other failure to conform to Character Integrity or other requirements, Marvel’s sole remedy is damages.
…
Peter Parker Character Traits. Depiction of Peter Parker or his Spider-Man alter ego must conform to the following character traits:
His full name is Peter Benjamin Parker.
He is Caucasian and heterosexual.
His parents become absent from his life during his childhood.
From the time his parents become absent he is raised by Aunt May and Uncle Ben in New York City
He gains his powers while attending either middle school or college.
He gains his powers from being bitten by a spider
He designs his first red and blue costume.
The black costume is a symbiote and is not designed by him
He is raised in a middle class household in Queens, New York
He attends or attended high school in Queens, New York, and he attends or attended college in New York City, New York.
…

Alternate Versions Of Spider-Man Character. If SPE depicts an alternative version of Spider-Man (i.e., not Peter Parker), then:
…
SPE may, but does not have to, (i) use “Approved Powers” which are unique to that alternative version, and/or (ii) use Marvel’s origin story and related origin elements for that alternate version of Spider-Man.
…
SPIDER-MAN MANDATORY CHARACTER TRAITS
He is male.
…
He is not homosexual unless the Spider-Man Character portrayed in the Production is an Alternative Spider-Man Character that is portrayed as homosexual in New Authorized Works.
…
CHARACTER TRAITS OF ALTERNATIVE VERSIONS OF SPIDER-MAN
If SPE elects to depict any Alternative Version of the Spider-Man Character in any Production, the following character traits will apply:
…
For the avoidance of doubt, the Production shall not be otherwise required to use the Alternative Version’s origin story or basic origin elements (although use of such Alternative Version’s origin story and basic origin elements is authorized by Marvel).
…

So in case you want the short of it, Marvel would not allow Sony to make Peter Parker gay under any circumstances and would only allow for an "alternative" Spider-Man to be gay if there was comic book precedent for that particular character to be gay, though Peter would still be excluded from this. Also note that it specifically states that Spider-Man (any Spider-Man) must be male, which would bar Sony from adapting Mattie Franklin's brief impersonation of Peter, but could also be interpreted as not allowing a trans-Spider-Man either. Additionally, note how very careful they are with Peter's depiction, there is very little wiggle room there, while they are allowed to make as many changes to the alternative Spider-Men as they want.

Technically, this contract is 12 years old and thus much of this could no longer apply but I doubt they've changed much since then. If Marvel was this anal about not depicting Spider-Man as gay back then, I'd suspect the comics had a "Spider-Man is not gay" policy as well, meaning any pitch about a gay Spider-Man would have been rejected.

[Andrew NDB]

This seems silly now. Does anyone here believe Marvel in 2023 would write up something that makes him not be gay? It'd be the opposite, if anything.

[Dpooly84]

This seems silly now. Does anyone here believe Marvel in 2023 would write up something that makes him not be gay? It'd be the opposite, if anything.

I mean if they were smart and took the clues from society's social push back in the current climate then they would. But one thing people constantly forget is that comic books have always been pushing social agendas.

[Coola Yagami]

I mean if they were smart and took the clues from society's social push back in the current climate then they would. But one thing people constantly forget is that comic books have always been pushing social agendas.

Not 'beat you over the head' with them though. Stan Lee didn't mind morals and whatnot in his stories, but he never believed into shoving them into the forefront so obnoxiously blatantly obvious.

[Dpooly84]

Not 'beat you over the head' with them though. Stan Lee didn't mind morals and whatnot in his stories, but he never believed into shoving them into the forefront so obnoxiously blatantly obvious.

Didn't he though? I mean they weren't seen that way at the time, but after years of progression you can go back and see the obvious times where they were being obviously shoveled in. I love comics but they have always been super liberal despite the scantily clad ladies.

[ChosenOne]

Okay, now I wanna read about a Peter Parker variant who's in a relationship with Harry Osborn and how that complicates things with Norman.

I love comics but they have always been super liberal despite the scantily clad ladies.

Scantily clad ladies aren't liberal?

[Cowabung-Gal]

Scantily clad ladies aren't liberal?

Not unless they don’t care about offending the not-so-attractive group in this day and age. Heck, if you give an anthropomorphic female squirrel big boobs, the wokies will eat you alive.

[ChosenOne]

Not unless they don’t care about offending the not-so-attractive group in this day and age. Heck, if you give an anthropomorphic female squirrel big boobs, the wokies will eat you alive.

It really sounds like they're just looking for an excuse to get mad.

[Coola Yagami]

Didn't he though? I mean they weren't seen that way at the time, but after years of progression you can go back and see the obvious times where they were being obviously shoveled in. I love comics but they have always been super liberal despite the scantily clad ladies.

Unless Stan Lee went against his own word. His focus was always good stories and good characters first. Any other stuff was to be subtle but never in the forefront and at the expense of the story. More 'can Spider-Man actually beat Doctor Doom???' and less whatever the political issues were back in the 80s.

[Cowabung-Gal]

People keep pointing to the colors in Spider-Gwen’s costume as though that confirms she is trans. However, they are excluding one crucial detail: her blonde hair.

So combine yellow, pink, blue, and white, and which flag do you get…?

https://media.tenor.com/stlM6cClnzQAAAAC/spider-man-shocked.gif

Welp, that backfired, wouldn’t you say?

[Coola Yagami]

People keep pointing to the colors in Spider-Gwen’s costume as though that confirms she is trans. However, they are excluding one crucial detail: her blonde hair.

So combine yellow, pink, blue, and white, and which flag do you get…?

https://media.tenor.com/stlM6cClnzQAAAAC/spider-man-shocked.gif

Welp, that backfired, wouldn’t you say?

I'm lost... what flag is that?

[Cowabung-Gal]

I'm lost... what flag is that?

The MAP flag

[ranger_scout]

I've seen it twice. All I can say is that both times, it was a very emotional roller coaster that had me on the edge of my seat during both screenings. It also ended on quite a cliffhanger.

[Coola Yagami]

The MAP flag

.... gross....

Thought it might explain why Gwen would even be into Miles. :lol::lol::lol:

[ZariusTwo]

The film won over 9 annie awards, including best feature

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/2024-annie-awards-winners-list-1235828921/

[TheCanadiandrome]

even though i'm not particularily a fan of these, i some how can't wait to see the last and hopefully final film

[ZariusTwo]

Sony may be about to fall out with Lord and Miller

https://fandomwire.com/this-better-not-mess-up-spider-verse-marvel-fans-eagerly-waiting-for-beyond-the-spider-verse-were-just-handed-a-legendary-l-if-latest-report-about-sonys-feud-with-phil-lord-christopher-miller/#google_vignette

[ZariusTwo]

No voice recording has started on the third one

https://decider.com/2025/01/16/jharrel-jerome-interview-unstoppable-movie-anthony-robles-true-story/