Disney's Lightyear (2022)

[ZariusTwo]

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[sdp]

Why is this a thing? Did anyone actually want a "serious" take on Buzz lightyear? The Buzz cartoon made sense since at least it followed the same cartoony look and was aware it was a kids cartoon. Toy Story 1 was my favorite movie when it came out, adored it, I understand the sequels existing despite not liking them. But this?

[frank_one]

This is supposed to be a movie about the character which inspired the Buzz Lightyear action figure we see in the Toy Story movies. This is basically the in-universe original version of the character we know since Toy Story 1.

[Andrew NDB]

F this. This is the "Disney finally cancels Tim Allen" movie.

[oldmanwinters]

This is the "Disney finally cancels Tim Allen" movie.

Heh, that thought actually came to my mind.

EDIT: from the Wiki:
Contrary to people's expectations, this is not the first time Buzz is played by an actor other than Tim Allen. The list includes:
Pat Fraley (Toy Story Treats, video games, attractions)
Patrick Warburton (Buzz Lightyear of Star Command)
Javier Fernandez-Peña (Spanish mode in Toy Story 3)
Mike MacRae (video games)
Corey Burton (Disney on Ice)
When the movie was announced, many people were thrown into great confusion over it. This can be largely attributed to the human character and the toy sharing the same name, which led many people to believe the human Lightyear's voice actor, Chris Evans, would replace the toy Lightyear's voice actor, Tim Allen, to become the new voice of the character. Disney later clarified on Twitter that this was not the case, with Evans being the voice of the in-universe character that inspired the toy, and Allen being the voice of the toy.
https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Lightyear

Another entry for the Pixar Shared Universe theory... I wonder if it will have secret ties to Wall-E and the post-apocalyptic Cars earth speculation.

[Andrew NDB]

They'll try to say, "But this is the REAL Buzz Lightyear, not the action figure come to life! That's why it doesn't have Tim Allen's voice!"

Bullsh**. Of course it would sound like Tim Allen and of course everyone would expect it to. And 200% the only single reason this movie doesn't have him reprising the voice is because of his politics.

Contrary to people's expectations, this is not the first time Buzz is played by an actor other than Tim Allen. The list includes:
Pat Fraley (Toy Story Treats, video games, attractions)
Patrick Warburton (Buzz Lightyear of Star Command)
Javier Fernandez-Peña (Spanish mode in Toy Story 3)
Mike MacRae (video games)
Corey Burton (Disney on Ice)
When the movie was announced, many people were thrown into great confusion over it. This can be largely attributed to the human character and the toy sharing the same name, which led many people to believe the human Lightyear's voice actor, Chris Evans, would replace the toy Lightyear's voice actor, Tim Allen, to become the new voice of the character. Disney later clarified on Twitter that this was not the case, with Evans being the voice of the in-universe character that inspired the toy, and Allen being the voice of the toy.

Hahah... yeah, that sounds about right in the damage control. "Relax! You guys are just confused. There have been people other than Mike Myers that have voiced Shrek! This guy who put on a costume in a Best Buy parking lot once, for example!"

[sdp]

This is supposed to be a movie about the character which inspired the Buzz Lightyear action figure we see in the Toy Story movies. This is basically the in-universe original version of the character we know since Toy Story 1.

I get that but it makes no sense, the suit clashes with the style of the movie, it makes more sene that the in universe character that inspired buzz was from a cartoon.

[The Deadman]

So I guess there's a Toy Story shared universe now. Interesting.

[Turo602]

Conspiracy theories aside, this looks pretty interesting.

[drgon78]

Without Tim Allen I don't care.

[sdp]

I mean Toy Story has plenty of options for spin-offs that make sense and could be successful. A tv show on Disney+ telling some hijinks that any of the many characters had, there's plenty for a show to be made that would make great episodes but not a full blown movie. Toy Story 5, because why not. A movie spin-off of one of the major characters, it would be done Toy Story style.

[neatoman]

So how long before they make a serious western starring Woody?

... Speaking of which, something that never quite made sense to me is why Buzz (and seemingly all Buzz toys) believes himself to be the TV show character he's based on, while Woody never believed himself to be the character from Woody's roundup and wasn't even aware of the "Woody Lore" so to speak. We are never given an explanation for why some toys don't understand their true nature while others suffer from no such delusion, what gives?

[Andrew NDB]

So how long before they make a serious western starring Woody?

Not long, if this does well. And let's just wait and see if they recast Tom Hanks! I bet they don't.

[Jester]

I doubt they do a "serious" western with Woody.

Now a Disney+ Series that is the "lost" series Woody's Round-Up? Yes, please. There we'd see if this whole thing holds water, because Kelsey Grammar is also "Right-Wing" by Hollywood's standards.

[neatoman]

Kelsey Grammar is also "Right-Wing" by Hollywood's standards.

He votes Republican, doesn't that make him right-wing by any American standard?

[Papenbrook]

Why are the colors so muted and bland? Why are the set/character designs so static and non-dynamic? Why is the overall atmosphere so ... somber?


The movie looks too dull.

[Sumac]

Guess they went with something more serious than usual cartoony style.
I like it.

I wonder, how it will be connected to the Toy Story universe which seemingly happens in a modern day.

[Wildcat]

Looks cool. Have not seen Toy Story 4 yet.

I highly doubt the voice has anything to do with Tim Allen’s political views (which I don’t know of). I’m sure anything Toy Story will have him back. There would be backlash if Buzz Lightyear the toy was suddenly recast.

[Andrew NDB]

If they make a Toy Story 5 and Tim Allen is back... maybe it's nothing (or maybe it's a compromise from Disney... i.e., OK, some dollars will go to Allen if we do TS5... but we promise no other dollars will go to Allen in this new series). It's just very difficult to imagine the director of Lightyear going, "We're making the CGI Buzz Lightyear movie, about who Buzz Lightyear the talking toy from the other CGI movies with Buzz Lightyear is based off of and basically in the same style. But I really want a different voice actor for the part, just because, but it's my grand creative vision."

Like, why would you do that? Like, you buy a talking Dirty Harry doll... there's going to be a voice coming out of it that isn't Clint Eastwood's, if you can help it?

And I'm sure it's completely a coincidence that while Allen is a devout republican, Evans has been tearing up Twitter for years about seemingly every leftist talking point to head pats from all on that side.

[Turo602]

If they make a Toy Story 5 and Tim Allen is back... maybe it's nothing (or maybe it's a compromise from Disney... i.e., OK, some dollars will go to Allen if we do TS5... but we promise no other dollars will go to Allen in this new series). It's just very difficult to imagine the director of Lightyear going, "We're making the CGI Buzz Lightyear movie, about who Buzz Lightyear the talking toy from the other CGI movies with Buzz Lightyear is based off of and basically in the same style. But I really want a different voice actor for the part, just because, but it's my grand creative vision."

Like, why would you do that? Like, you buy a talking Dirty Harry doll... there's going to be a voice coming out of it that isn't Clint Eastwood's, if you can help it?

And I'm sure it's completely a coincidence that while Allen is a devout republican, Evans has been tearing up Twitter for years about seemingly every leftist talking point to head pats from all on that side.

Tom Hanks doesn't exactly do the voice of the Woody toys either so why is it hard to imagine that the real Buzz Lightyear doesn't sound like an exaggerated doll from a cartoon series? Especially considering he's supposed to be a real astronaut and not some guy from the entertainment industry. They more than likely just wanted a much more credible actor for the role with a much more attractive sounding voice than the Tool Man.

[Andrew NDB]

Tom Hanks doesn't exactly do the voice of the Woody toys either so why is it hard to imagine that the real Buzz Lightyear doesn't sound like an exaggerated doll from a cartoon series? Especially considering he's supposed to be a real astronaut and not some guy from the entertainment industry. They more than likely just wanted a much more credible actor for the role with a much more attractive sounding voice than the Tool Man.

There's definitely ways to explain it logically, in how could it happen... not why they would choose this. There isn't any way to explain it that makes sense in this charged climate beyond "we don't want to support Republicans/we don't want backlash for supporting Republicans." And obviously this would be a non-issue if this was, say, live action and not exactly the same exaggerated CGI medium as the Toy Story movies. No one would expect Tim Allen to suit up as Buzz Lightyear now in front of a camera, or even back around when Toy Story 1 came out. But it IS exactly the same medium and they're obviously not trying for, like, high art here. Of course they would get back the voice actor who has personified that character and made people care about it. But they're worried about Twitter. And this IS the same exaggerated CGI medium as Toy Story. And if the point or argument is, "But Tim Allen was doing kind of an exaggerated puffed up voice for the Toy Story movies" then that's even sillier. Because guess what you can do? Have Tim Allen not do an exaggerated puffed up voice in this. He's an actor. This is what they do.

Credible actor? Allen's movies have grossed more than 3 billion dollars. Notoriety-wise... Evans has been up for what exactly? Looks like some MTV Awards for "Best Kiss." Pretty much everything Evans has done outside of the MCU that hasn't failed is bit parts or supporting roles. Allen has led a movie franchise (not Toy Story) all on his back as the leading man, a beloved cult hit, and a long running TV show (which was stopped in its tracks because he was republican, oddly enough) and other odds and ends... and all of this is after Home Improvement which went on forever and everyone loved, which he largely carried. I mean, it wasn't because of Jonathan Taylor Thomas or that dude over the fence.

[Wildcat]

I remember he was upset ABC canceled Last Man Standing and then Fox got it. Before Disney bought it. He made comments it was his political stance and ABC said it was not. That they canceled other things at the time for financial reasons.

Is this why you think they don’t want him back?

Wait the guy in Lightyear is a real astronaut or is it a fictional movie within the Toy Story world? Like Andy would goto the theater and watch it?

I’m assuming it’s a movie within that world otherwise the aliens and lasers would also be real too. His whole toy line would be real.

I didn’t really think anything of it because it’s supposed to be a “real” guy either way but ya he could have voiced him.

[Turo602]

Just because it's an animated film doesn't mean they can't strive for something different, which they very clearly are with the way the trailer is presented. Just because you want to brush off this project as just another silly CGI film doesn't mean the people working on it are treating it as such or even have to make the real Buzz anything like the fake cartoon version of Buzz that they cast nearly 30 years ago. They're allowed to want to give the character a different presence than the toy and for all we know, Tim Allen could very well be in the film as toy Buzz Lightyear.

There's absolutely no reason to assume politics played any part in this considering Toy Story 4 came out only 2 years ago. Disney had no qualms working with Gina Carano until she started saying some stupid sh*t online. So unless Tim Allen has been recently cancelled, I don't see any reason they wouldn't work with him anymore. Not like Disney actually cares about woke sh*t considering how hard they bend to China.

[oldmanwinters]

Just felt in the mood to stream the HI openings:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlEYTW2Uu9w

[ZariusTwo]

A same sex kiss has been added back to the film after being previously cut

https://deadline.com/2022/03/pixar-lightyear-restores-same-sex-kiss-backlash-disney-florida-dont-say-gay-bill-1234982061/

[ZariusTwo]

New trailer gives away the film's big twist

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[Andrew NDB]

Flops. And nobody can figure out why.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/lightyear-tanking-as-maverick-keeps-flying/

[Coola Yagami]

Maybe cause no one really asked for this ****.

[Andrew NDB]

The Tim Allen thing (no, the "but this isn't about the toy's voice" doesn't track) was pretty dubious but the big stories about Disney mandating the lesbian kiss was for sure the lightning rod to hamstring this thing. Most parents would not take their kid to see such a thing, knowingly. If Disney just snuck it in there silently that'd probably have worked, but this was a big fiasco in the media.

[ZariusTwo]

Flops. And nobody can figure out why.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/lightyear-tanking-as-maverick-keeps-flying/

Probably because it has the exact same plot as 1998's Lost In Space...another bomb

[Leo656]

The Tim Allen thing (no, the "but this isn't about the toy's voice" doesn't track) was pretty dubious but the big stories about Disney mandating the lesbian kiss was for sure the lightning rod to hamstring this thing. Most parents would not take their kid to see such a thing, knowingly. If Disney just snuck it in there silently that'd probably have worked, but this was a big fiasco in the media.

That can't be the entire reason this movie underperformed, there's no way. They spent weeks in the lead-up to "Beauty and the Beast" talking about the big "gay moment" and the movie still made boatloads of money in its opening weekend - well before the whole thing was revealed to be a nothingburger. Parents knew there'd be a "gay moment" and took their kids anyway, even before they knew "Oh, its just literally one second of two dudes dancing"

I think it's probably got more to do with the fact that - as Coola alluded to - nobody actually asked for or wanted this movie in the first place.

Besides... nobody gets offended when lesbians kiss. It's only gross when guys do it. People pay good money to see women kiss, like every day. If anything that's a draw. :lol:

[Sumac]

The Tim Allen thing (no, the "but this isn't about the toy's voice" doesn't track) was pretty dubious but the big stories about Disney mandating the lesbian kiss was for sure the lightning rod to hamstring this thing. Most parents would not take their kid to see such a thing, knowingly. If Disney just snuck it in there silently that'd probably have worked, but this was a big fiasco in the media.
Sorry, but that's ********.
If anything movie failed, because, it was a mediocre movie. Simple as that.
Most people are not obsessed with cultural war to the degree, where they choose their media based on "sides".

[Coola Yagami]

While not a factor, Disney did take out the gay kiss first and then purposely put it back in because 'hey, we must show our LGBT support and that we don't support the anti-groomer bill!'.

It wouldn't have made so much news if they just stuck to their guns in one direction or the other and not flip flop on it.

[Andrew NDB]

Most people are not obsessed with cultural war to the degree, where they choose their media based on "sides".

No, sides and politics have nothing to do with it. Most parents just don't want their small children watching gay stuff in their cartoons and they certainly don't like paying to take them to see gay stuff in movies. It's as simple as that. And with every newsflash about "Disney pulled lesbian kiss from this country" and "Disney put it back in for that country!" and then all the stuff responding to that, the word got out. And then there's also all the stuff in the last couple of months in the news about Disney fighting Florida to allow them to talk about sexuality to kindergartners... so the word is out on that with parents, too.

The Allen thing coupled with the "it's super important we have a lesbian kiss in our kids movie" just paint a pretty good picture of their intent. Might be a bit problematic to have lesbian kisses in a movie "led" by Tim Allen, and so on. But it's all just academic at this point.

[Coola Yagami]

Most people are not obsessed with cultural war to the degree, where they choose their media based on "sides".

You have no choice. Sooner or later it comes for you and you're forced to choose a side. Even something as simple as taking/not taking your kids to a movie you've been informed about that will have a gay kiss in it (during Pride mind you) is choosing a side.

Kinda like Negan said 'You better make a decision quick cause not making a decision is a BIG decision."

[Leo656]

I will say, after skimming a few articles (and Comments sections) about why the movie flopped, the only reason anyone is giving out loud as to why they didn't see it, or bring their kids to see it, IS actually because of the gay kiss. So okay, that's worth listening to, I guess. I haven't seen one person say, "It just looks bad" or "I'm sick of stuff about Toy Story" or any of that. But there are LOTS of comments about "indoctrinating children into filth" and "You can't pander to 1% of the population and expect it to go well", and all that stuff.

So okay, it might be a bigger factor than I'd thought. But it still makes no sense why it's different This Time. There was just as much hullaballoo around Beauty & the Beast, Avengers: Endgame, and other semi-recent movies that had same-sex content teased during their build-up, and in spite of those Comments sections being full of pretty much the exact same stuff, word-for-word and 1:1, those movies all still did big huge business in spite of that.

I'm inclined to think most people just think the movie just looks rather bad and that this is an easy thing to use as justification to not see it. You get to save a few bucks AND "take a stand" by saying "Keep this stuff away from kids". Except this is the first time it's really mattered. So in spite of what they say out loud, I still think there are other factors in play.

[Turo602]

The last few Pixar films have gone straight to Disney Plus, so I'm sure that played a role in its performance. But I also feel the marketing for it has been rather confusing and maybe just put people off of it entirely because they couldn't grasp the concept they were selling.

Their wording was originally that this was the real Buzz and not only until recently have I heard that this was now a movie Andy saw that made him want the toy. The film even opens up with text explaining that, because they've struggled to provide proper context for the film's existence and admitted they didn't know how to explain the movie to people. It honestly seems like a last minute "fix" to rope in more viewers by using Andy, despite the film itself contradicting some of the Buzz Lightyear lore established in Toy Story.

If making this a movie within the Toy Story universe was truly their intention from the start, you'd think the Toy Story universe could have been worked into the film better than just opening text. Otherwise, there's nothing about it that feels like it's supposed to be a movie from another time/universe. It's just a movie about Buzz Lightyear on a random space mission.

Personally, I thought the movie was okay, but it certainly didn't live up to the tone and premise they were setting up. There's too much focus on other characters even though Buzz is still the protagonist through and through, but you never really learn anything about him or where he came from. He's just a guy doing things who's dedicated to his mission. So he basically acts just like the toy rather than a real human like they made it seem originally. We already had the Buzz Lightyear: Star Command series and this basically fulfills that same purpose but as a Pixar movie.

Honestly, I think it would have been much more interesting and worthwhile had they approached the movie from the angle that this was a movie from 1995 or as something that actually happened in Andy's world that started a Buzz Lightyear phenomenon. I think audiences would have connected with that more and it certainly would have added some much needed depth that I think some people were looking for. It was still a fun movie all things considered and it definitely has franchise potential, but rather than make a sequel as the post-credits sequence hinted, I think a project like this would be better served as a Disney Plus series.

[IMJ]

It flopped because it was opportunistic woke $#!( and regular people are turning away from it in droves. The country isn't comprised mostly of the @$$holes who went out in the streets to complain that any life-negativity is someone else's fault or racism or whatever while looting buildings and hitting people in the back of the head.

Instead, the country is actually comprised of people who pay their living expenses and cut their grass or work towards a better life. Those people reject this woke $#!(.

One financial failure after another. People are catching on. Don't pay for woke $#!(. Let it f'n rot.

[mrmaczaps]

To bankruptcy and beyond! Lol :tlol: This film couldn't even beat the 2nd weekend of the 3rd (6th) Jurassic flick. :tlol: hooooboy.

[superstaff]

I will say, after skimming a few articles (and Comments sections) about why the movie flopped, the only reason anyone is giving out loud as to why they didn't see it, or bring their kids to see it, IS actually because of the gay kiss. So okay, that's worth listening to, I guess. I haven't seen one person say, "It just looks bad" or "I'm sick of stuff about Toy Story" or any of that. But there are LOTS of comments about "indoctrinating children into filth" and "You can't pander to 1% of the population and expect it to go well", and all that stuff.

So okay, it might be a bigger factor than I'd thought. But it still makes no sense why it's different This Time. There was just as much hullaballoo around Beauty & the Beast, Avengers: Endgame, and other semi-recent movies that had same-sex content teased during their build-up, and in spite of those Comments sections being full of pretty much the exact same stuff, word-for-word and 1:1, those movies all still did big huge business in spite of that.

I'm inclined to think most people just think the movie just looks rather bad and that this is an easy thing to use as justification to not see it. You get to save a few bucks AND "take a stand" by saying "Keep this stuff away from kids". Except this is the first time it's really mattered. So in spite of what they say out loud, I still think there are other factors in play.

Yeah. Because people are becoming radicalized on both sides, and are repelled or emboldened by anything they deem 'woke'.

I still remember people here, and in other parts of the interwebs claiming that The Batman was 'full of BLM propaganda'. Yeah...no. People keep saying stuff like Lightyear is '90% about the lesbian couple in the movie'. I think, based on reading the synopsis on Wikipedia and reviews, that's a bullsh*t lie. :lol: The movie seems like a clusterf*ck but not because of a 3 second lesbian kiss. But nah, nobody really cares about the plots of these movies. The Batman, Sonic f*cking 2, Turning Red, Doctor Strange 2, The Bad Guys, Fantastic Beasts 3, and so on are all movies I've seen knee deep in political discourse of some kind or another. It's inescapable. That's life now. Whether we like it or not, the plots of these movies don't matter at all, bad or not. It's all about politics, even when the movies themselves aren't political.

[Sumac]

While not a factor, Disney did take out the gay kiss first and then purposely put it back in because 'hey, we must show our LGBT support and that we don't support the anti-groomer bill!'.

It wouldn't have made so much news if they just stuck to their guns in one direction or the other and not flip flop on it.
Naturally, like with any "woke" media.
But it is more of a side thing to the shitdish.

You have no choice. Sooner or later it comes for you and you're forced to choose a side. Even something as simple as taking/not taking your kids to a movie you've been informed about that will have a gay kiss in it (during Pride mind you) is choosing a side.

Kinda like Negan said 'You better make a decision quick cause not making a decision is a BIG decision."
Sounds like a "prophecy" about "Trump's Death Squads" SJW were scaremongering each other back in 2016.
Sorry, I don't buy this stuff.

No, sides and politics have nothing to do with it. Most parents just don't want their small children watching gay stuff in their cartoons and they certainly don't like paying to take them to see gay stuff in movies. It's as simple as that. And with every newsflash about "Disney pulled lesbian kiss from this country" and "Disney put it back in for that country!" and then all the stuff responding to that, the word got out. And then there's also all the stuff in the last couple of months in the news about Disney fighting Florida to allow them to talk about sexuality to kindergartners... so the word is out on that with parents, too.
I still don't think it was A factor.
For some people - maybe, it was. But for the most, especially those who don't care about media, it was just a bad movie.

Yeah. Because people are becoming radicalized on both sides, and are repelled or emboldened by anything they deem 'woke'.

I still remember people here, and in other parts of the interwebs claiming that The Batman was 'full of BLM propaganda'. Yeah...no. People keep saying stuff like Lightyear is '90% about the lesbian couple in the movie'. I think, based on reading the synopsis on Wikipedia and reviews, that's a bullsh*t lie. :lol: The movie seems like a clusterf*ck but not because of a 3 second lesbian kiss. But nah, nobody really cares about the plots of these movies. The Batman, Sonic f*cking 2, Turning Red, Doctor Strange 2, The Bad Guys, Fantastic Beasts 3, and so on are all movies I've seen knee deep in political discourse of some kind or another. It's inescapable. That's life now. Whether we like it or not, the plots of these movies don't matter at all, bad or not. It's all about politics, even when the movies themselves aren't political.
And none of this stuff matters to actual box-office, ironically.
Its just a filing for the another bout of political "analyses" from randoms on the forums and social networks, which affects very few people in real life.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Go woke go broke:lol:

[Andrew NDB]

I still don't think it was A factor.
For some people - maybe, it was. But for the most, especially those who don't care about media, it was just a bad movie.

Nono, this transcended mere media. This was everywhere. And the Disney stuff in Florida spilled out everywhere. To be fair, you're probably not seeing this in Russia. Even if you're not watching the news here, you're seeing your 6-10 angry leftist friends on FB screaming about it for weeks. Then comes the lesbian kiss hubbub. Trust me, this was a huge part of it.

And bad movie? Everybody (myself included) was excited by the first trailer and all of that. It's a neat idea. The Allen thing by itself wasn't enough to damn it. People would have to go and see it to come back and spread the word about it being a bad movie. Nobody saw it to begin with. Being this is a children's movie and spinning off of a legendary proven IP, we can kind of do the math from there.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/exclusive-pixar-movie-lightyear-with-same-sex-couple-will-not-play-14-countries-2022-06-13/

Walt Disney Co (DIS.N) has been unable to obtain permission to show its new Pixar movie "Lightyear" in 14 Middle Eastern and Asian countries, a source said on Monday, and the animated film appeared unlikely to open in China, the world's largest movie market.

[Coola Yagami]

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/exclusive-pixar-movie-lightyear-with-same-sex-couple-will-not-play-14-countries-2022-06-13/

Walt Disney Co (DIS.N) has been unable to obtain permission to show its new Pixar movie "Lightyear" in 14 Middle Eastern and Asian countries, a source said on Monday, and the animated film appeared unlikely to open in China, the world's largest movie market.

I was about to say that, they lost 14 country's worth of box office dollars including China who the knew would not stand for that due to their views, but hey, it was more important to show that they didn't side with DeSantis.

[Andrew NDB]

I was about to say that, they lost 14 country's worth of box office dollars including China who the knew would not stand for that due to their views, but hey, it was more important to show that they didn't side with DeSantis.

To put it more succinctly in this case, "more important to show that they didn't side with over half of the country." Like, well over. The data isn't even close. It's just people scared to say anything, but oh boy they're polling.

[Leo656]

Being this is a children's movie and spinning off of a legendary proven IP, we can kind of do the math from there.

To be fair, Toy Story 4 was f*cking awful. No telling how much impact that had on anything related to the franchise. I know a good number of people who were in love with anything and everything related to the franchise, but then after that piece of sh*t ultimately decided that they'd finally seen enough.

It's like anything else that gets popular, f*cking idiots need to fix it until it's broken. I said a million times they needed to quit once and for all with 3. They had a "perfect" little trilogy going for themselves, now they have that plus a sh*tty coda of a fourth movie and now this sh*tty prequel/spin-off thing nobody wants.

Nobody lets anything stay "pure" anymore. Because they're f*cking greedy.

[drgon78]

I agree, Toy Story 4 is f*cking awful.

[superstaff]

I was going to say that Toy Story 4 tainted the franchise, and that was one of the reasons Lightyear is flopping. But...like Leo says, it seems that 99% of people are claiming it's only because of the lesbian kiss, and if that kiss wasn't in the movie, they'd watch it and love it. So...I don't know. I could come up with reasons as to why this isn't doing great that have nothing to do with the kiss, it's just that it seems the kiss is the only reason people don't want to see it. Like I said before, I read the synopsis of the movie, and the plot is a mess, Buzz is an unlikable, cliched 'action hero', the supporting cast are bland and one note, Zurg is f*cking awful (including the 'tweest' they come up with :lol:). The lesbian kiss is a scapegoat for a cynical, poorly written movie. It's really not unlike Toy Story 4 in tone and content.

Edit: I went to an online toy collecting group I'm a part of, and all they're talking about on there is Lightyear, and how the kiss/'LGBT+ agenda' (including most of them claiming the movie is basically all about lesbians) is the only thing wrong with the movie, and that they'd otherwise have gone to see it, and probably enjoy it because Toy Story. I guess politics has more of a stranglehold on people than getting their hit of memberberry drugs at the theater. The toy group rarely discusses movies, even the ones the toys are based on, and yet... Yeah. Pretty sure if I said I was bi, they'd ban me too, or at the very least ostracize the hell out of me. I love the way life is trending right now. What a delight!

[Coola Yagami]

I keep hearing conflicting reports about if the kiss was banned in Mexico or not. The general consensus is in some places it is and others don't, depending on if it's the Spanish dub or the subtitled English one. The funny part is some theaters come with a 'this movie contains gender politics' warning on their advertising.

From what I gather a lot of Mexico laughs at us gringos for taking all this woke **** so seriously. Obviously we all don't but it's the woke weirdos that speak the loudest and are in all the headlines. Every time some multi haired colored idiot has a meltdown or is offended over something that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, they kinda speak for all of us as a whole when it hits the news.

It would almost be funny if Mexico wasn't a literal hellhole nowadays.

[Sumac]

Nono, this transcended mere media. This was everywhere. And the Disney stuff in Florida spilled out everywhere. To be fair, you're probably not seeing this in Russia. Even if you're not watching the news here, you're seeing your 6-10 angry leftist friends on FB screaming about it for weeks. Then comes the lesbian kiss hubbub. Trust me, this was a huge part of it.
American media maybe, but I don't think it is a prominent topic of discussion in other countries.

And bad movie? Everybody (myself included) was excited by the first trailer and all of that. It's a neat idea. The Allen thing by itself wasn't enough to damn it. People would have to go and see it to come back and spread the word about it being a bad movie. Nobody saw it to begin with. Being this is a children's movie and spinning off of a legendary proven IP, we can kind of do the math from there.
I dunno, I've saw more people being puzzled by it, than anything else.
Like: "why is it even made?", "how does it relates to the Toy Story?"

To be fair, Toy Story 4 was f*cking awful. No telling how much impact that had on anything related to the franchise. I know a good number of people who were in love with anything and everything related to the franchise, but then after that piece of sh*t ultimately decided that they'd finally seen enough.
I wouldn't call it awful, but it certainly was lacking compared to the first three movies.
As for me it was just boring and lacking "soul", if you will, something that Pixar movies usually are not.

[Turo602]

Toy Story was my favorite movie as a kid and I was old enough by the time part 3 came out for it to really resonate with me. It was a perfect ending and could have been left there, but I don't think they couldn't necessarily do a follow up that was just as strong. I figured Pixar never misses with Toy Story and so part 4 would have justified itself by the time it was over and it just kept going and going leaving me feeling rather empty the whole time just waiting for it to be worth it and then it ended on such a downer and just pissed me off which was exactly how I felt watching The Last Jedi.

Forky seemed like a huge focal point in the movie's marketing with him suddenly coming to life. So naturally, I believed the movie would tackle a deeper subject like why toys come to life and whether they can die. Seemed like there was enough there to build a proper successor. Instead, we got a slap in the face and a kick to the nuts.

[superstaff]

Oh, I saw the warning signs for Toy Story 4 from the get-go. The Rashida Jones drama was the first one. Pixar then promised Bo Peep would be a strong female lead. Forky, from the trailers, seemed like a joke character to me, though many disagreed with me on that. The marketing focusing more on Forky, and the duck and bunny played by Key and Peele than on the originals... There was more, though I think you get the picture. Maybe. Or not.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

This movie was literally one of Pixar's most boring films ever. In my eyes, they're losing their touch.

[IMJ]

This movie was literally one of Pixar's most boring films ever. In my eyes, they're losing their touch.

Did you pay to see it? Just curious? If so, how come? Do you have young kids?

[Jester]

I'm kinda surprised there isn't more outrage on the left because the lesbian character is pretty much out of the picture fairly early on.

#BuryYourGays

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Did you pay to see it? Just curious? If so, how come? Do you have young kids?

No, I work at a theater and watched it for free but left around the part where Buzz meets the granddaughter because I was just so bored. I don't recall ever doing that for a Disney/Pixar film. I didn't like Brave but I still watched the whole thing. This was just uninteresting which sucks because I love the Toy Story films (4 was unnecessary though). And no I have no kids.

[Andrew NDB]

Jesus, look at these numbers...

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Toy-Story#tab=summary

It's been out almost a month and it's only earned 106 domestically and 82 million overseas. At a 200 production budget, yeesh. They basically lost about 150 million on "Lightyear." That was one super costly lesbian kiss.

[CyberCubed]

Should of just been a Disney+ streaming release.

[Sumac]

Jesus, look at these numbers...

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Toy-Story#tab=summary

It's been out almost a month and it's only earned 106 domestically and 82 million overseas. At a 200 production budget, yeesh. They basically lost about 150 million on "Lightyear." That was one super costly lesbian kiss.
Add to that marketing budget, which seemingly was smaller than usual for whatever reason, but still.

[Coola Yagami]

Jesus, look at these numbers...

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Toy-Story#tab=summary

It's been out almost a month and it's only earned 106 domestically and 82 million overseas. At a 200 production budget, yeesh. They basically lost about 150 million on "Lightyear." That was one super costly lesbian kiss.

That long? I haven't kept track, to me it felt like it just came out this past weekend or something.

[Andrew NDB]

Add to that marketing budget, which seemingly was smaller than usual for whatever reason, but still.

Yeah, exactly. We're still talking another 30-60 million there.

[CyberCubed]

So did anyone here actually watch this? I just got done with it. The time travel aspects were actually interesting and the movie did pick up as it went on.

I wonder how people feel about the way Emperor Zurg was handled especially the retcon. In Toy Story 2, Zurg told Buzz that he was his father spoofing Darth Vader. In this movie we find out who Zurg really is and I found it an interesting twist. He was also in several of the cartoons.

[AquaParade]

I can understand why people feel inclined to push their ideologies, but we still need those places where almost anyone can be unified together.

If we can come together over something small, like a movie, or even a shared set of beliefs within that movie, it can hopefully lead to more understanding in other aspects of life.

Disney needs to get back there. We need areas of unification badly.

[Sumac]

I can understand why people feel inclined to push their ideologies, but we still need those places where almost anyone can be unified together.

If we can come together over something small, like a movie, or even a shared set of beliefs within that movie, it can hopefully lead to more understanding in other aspects of life.

Disney needs to get back there. We need areas of unification badly.
Indeed, but it is unlikely we will get there soon.

[Cowabung-Gal]

What I find absolutely hilarious is that Chris Evans said that the critics and haters would “die off like dinosaurs”…

And the film that ended up crushing “Lightyear” at the box office was a dinosaur movie. :lol:

[Sumac]

Guess, someone else was out of touch dinosaur.
But at least Evans got himself that delicious social cred, with SJW trash.

[Andrew NDB]

The wrong takeaway from Lightyear, of course:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/pixars-pete-docter-on-lightyear-failure/

[TigerClaw]

The wrong takeaway from Lightyear, of course:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/pixars-pete-docter-on-lightyear-failure/
I'm one of the people that knew the point of this movie, The thing is the marketing did not address that it was an in universe movie that Andy watched when he was a kid, And wanted that Buzz Lightyear toy after watching it.

The failure they describe is the result of the movie not being marketed as such, and people were confused because they were so used to how the Toy Story characters are, That they are toys, And nobody told them that the movie is the movie that inspired the Buzz Lightyear toy.

They just went along with it as a movie, and the audiences didn't understand why things looked tonally different.

[Aaronardo]

I got the point of the movie before it released. Even in the trailers it was blatant that the movie didn't know what it wanted to be. Is it a pulpy sci-fi adventure? Is it a bleaker dramatic space epic? Or is it a standard kiddie Disney movie that treats its entire audience like 2-year-olds?

I caught it on + months later which confirmed my suspicions. I have a multitude of other issues with the movie, but the tone problem was clear to me in the marketing alone. Though this could've just been me.

Artists are nothing if not damaged egos. The moment you start blaming your audience for not "getting it," you're already losing it. Hopefully there are more nuanced conversations happening behind closed doors.

The failure they describe is the result of the movie not being marketed as such, and people were confused because they were so used to how the Toy Story characters are, That they are toys, And nobody told them that the movie is the movie that inspired the Buzz Lightyear toy.

I'd take it a step further and say that the movie itself did a very poor job being that movie. Take Buzz's personality in the first Toy Story. He's arrogant, he's cocky, he claims to be the moral hero but just as easily abandons that persona. But he's Buzz Lightyear and he can do anything. If you're a 10-year-old boy, it doesn't matter how much of an a$$hole he is, you love that character on coolness alone.

The Buzz in this movie, with the story this movie presents, doesn't speak to me as sparking the next big toy craze or even attempting to. It barely feels like any toys would be manufactured for this movie at all. If Lightyear had been that movie, the marketing team would have little to no issue conveying that concept to a wide audience. To contrast, the same year's "The Bad Guys" showed how you can have a main character who's too cool for all this sh*t and still give him a tangible arc without sacrificing his coolness.

If Toy Story takes place in the 90s, 1995's biggest movie was "Batman Forever," not "Interstellar."

[IMJ]

The wrong takeaway from Lightyear, of course:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/pixars-pete-docter-on-lightyear-failure/

-shrugs-
Well they can learn from those mistakes and try again.

[Sumac]

Artists are nothing if not damaged egos. The moment you start blaming your audience for not "getting it," you're already losing it.
Standing ovation.

[ZariusTwo]

The film's director and producer were both laid off during the recent Disney job cuts

https://deadline.com/2023/06/lightyear-director-producer-disney-pixar-layoffs-1235399708/