X-Men 97 Animated Cartoon Disney+ [Archive]

Autbot_Benz

11-12-2021, 10:37 AM

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Marvel Studios' X-Men '97, an animated Original Series, coming in 2023 to
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https://i.imgur.com/3RXdPJw.jpg

Among those returning are Cal Dodd (Wolverine), Lenore Zann (Rogue), George Buza (Beast), Adrian Hough (Nightcrawler), Christopher Britton (Mr. Sinister), Catherine Disher (Jean Grey), Chris Potter (Gambit), Alison Sealy-Smith (Storm), and Alyson Court (Jubilee).

New voices will include Jennifer Hale, Anniwaa Buachie, Ray Chase, Matthew Waterson, JP Karliak, Holly Chou, Jeff Bennett, and AJ LoCascio, and we're assuming they'll be delivering their takes on both familiar characters and perhaps even a few additions who weren't part of the show the first time around.

Beau DeMayo will serve as Head Writer and executive producer on X-Men '97, while Jake Castorena and Charley Feldman have been tapped as supervising director and supervising producer respectively. Don't fret, though as X-Men: The Animated Series writers Eric and Julia Lewald and director Larry Houston will all return to the beloved property in consultant roles.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/disne...9568#gs.fnwitu

sdp

11-12-2021, 12:56 PM

This is going to be terrible, why continue 90s x-men? It already had a finale that worked, it already told all the stories that it had to tell, there is no point in reviving x-men.

I defended the 90s animated X-men show and I think it's good but it's a product of its time, if they take that away it won't be the same show, it'll be a rehash that it'll either just be lame or try too hard to appeal to a jaded audience of 30 year olds who don't remember how the show actually was and just have vague memories and that's what they want.

AquaParade

11-12-2021, 01:30 PM

Autbot_Benz

11-12-2021, 01:41 PM

sdp

11-12-2021, 01:44 PM

The only thing that I would like to see is crossovers with the rest of the Marvel universe, seeing the 90s version of spider-man, hulk, fantastic four interact with the x-men would be great, we already know they are in the same universe. It'll be great to see Jubilee as a main character again though as well as the 90s designs.

The bad is the designs will likely be updated and not fully resemble their 90s look. If we do get other marvel characters they'd be the current MCU personalities like all animated shows have been even though Iron Man is very different from MCU Iron Man. I'm sure they would not acknowledge the Marvel Animated Universe from the 90s, especially not their Avengers team.

Vicky82

11-12-2021, 02:17 PM

I find this puzzling too, but I will give it a chance. I'm surprised some of the original voice actors are returning. So do they ignore the last episode Graduation Day or they sticking with Xavier staying with Lilandra.

I wonder if this could be testing the waters for other old shows to return ("cough" Gargoyles "cough"). A few days ago I saw that Kim Possible could be getting a revival/sequel to the old show. But nothing was mentioned today.

https://tmntvicky.tumblr.com/post/667044256087703552/disneytva-rumor-kim-possible-revival-or-sequel

ZariusTwo

11-12-2021, 02:43 PM

I don't understand it either, but the original creators are behind it which is pretty interesting. I have so much love for the show that I'm definitely going to give it a chance, but it does seem a bit puzzling, as opposed to just making a new animated series.

As good as X-Men Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men are, being better than the comics and movies produced at the time, the 90s one was the most commercially succesful and memorable. It's the Fred Wolf of X-cartoons whether you feel good or bad about it. It was also reran on Disney channels throughout the 2000s, so both us 90s kids as well as that decade's generation have grown up with it and now have influence in the industry.

CyberCubed

11-12-2021, 03:02 PM

Does the original show hold up at all? I grew up with X-Men Evolution and I’d love to see them do a season 5 and adapt the Dark Phoenix arc.

Autbot_Benz

11-12-2021, 03:06 PM

Does the original show hold up at all? I grew up with X-Men Evolution and I’d love to see them do a season 5 and adapt the Dark Phoenix arc.

Of Course it does. The 90's show did arcs better than the damn Fox- Movies did. Go watch the 5 part 90's X-men Phoenix Saga that's all you need.

TigerClaw

11-12-2021, 05:16 PM

Its cool that they are getting all the original voice actors, However Norm Spencer who was the voice of Cyclops passed away last year, So they will more then likely recast Cyclops.

Leo656

11-12-2021, 05:18 PM

Nah, they should just kill him and pretend he was never there, like the immortal classic X-Men 3. :lol: Everybody knows that the movies do things the best way because more people see them, or something. So that's what they should do. :trazz: There's precedent!

Coola Yagami

11-12-2021, 05:35 PM

You're forgetting the most important question. Will Rogue still have Dat Ass?

Leo656

11-12-2021, 05:40 PM

If not then what the f*ck is the point?

Those were the days. I honestly hardly gave a crap about Marvel even back then, but I always had a few million unborn children to squeeze out for Rogue. :lol:

Back then, if your Dad hid his porno stash, in a pinch Wizard was almost as good. :lol: Especially during that phase where they plastered Rogue and Vampirella all over everything.

Suffice to say, my memories of the 90s comics scene are a bit kinder than some other folks', for various reasons. :trazz:

Sumac

11-12-2021, 05:54 PM

Not keen on such continuation.
It'd certainly **** up some stuff.

Leo656

11-12-2021, 06:00 PM

Coola Yagami

11-12-2021, 06:20 PM

If a revival project gets them to issue the complete 90s series in a Blu-ray set then all's forgiven regardless of what they do going forward.

I know they all got single-season sets but I missed them and they're getting expensive now.

That's best case scenario.

Just hoping they keep the woke **** out of it. I mean the characters are diverse enough as is even before diversity is a thing. Let's not have 'a very special' episode where Rogue finds out she's bi or Gambit is trans.

IMJ

11-12-2021, 08:44 PM

Leo656

11-12-2021, 09:12 PM

Just hoping they keep the woke **** out of it.

For anything made after roughly 2014? Good f*cking luck. :lol:

One of the few things that does is Batman TAS and FW TMNT, but those work well as "background noise".

Ouch. I can only really tolerate FW TMNT as exactly that. Every time I sit and try to actually watch any of it after the first "season", it gets a lot worse than I'd remembered. If I tried to revisit that show often I'd f*cking haaate it by now, I'm sure.

oldmanwinters

11-12-2021, 09:55 PM

I feel like I'm as big a fan of the original series as most people (I even tried to collect a full run of the tie-in comic book), but...

I'm just...

not into this revival as everybody else I seem to know online.

Turo602

11-12-2021, 10:40 PM

If this happened 10-15 years ago, I'd be excited. But this is Disney's Marvel and that's not going to go so well. Especially if they use it as a test for what they can get away with in their eventual MCU debut.

ZariusTwo

11-13-2021, 02:52 AM

This is either going to be huge or a failed revival and probably not anywhere inbetween.

I hate to say it but it will probably not do as well as they think. I've done the nostalgia thing across a variety of media and material and going back rarely holds up, unfortunately.

One of the few things that does is Batman TAS and FW TMNT, but those work well as "background noise".

I can go back and still enjoy things immensely.

Batman: TAS is still a classic, so is Fred Wolf (first three seasons and season seven are chef's kiss in particular). I don't give a s*it for The New Batman Adventures though, ghastly overrated back-end to that era of the franchise.

Turo602

11-13-2021, 03:59 AM

LeotheLateBloomer

11-13-2021, 11:18 AM

I don't give a s*it for The New Batman Adventures though, ghastly overrated back-end to that era of the franchise.

So's the word "overrated.":lol:

Overrated how? Everyone agrees it's inferior to TAS.

Coola Yagami

11-13-2021, 12:15 PM

Yeah, X-Men definitely holds up very well today too. I've rewatched it back when Disney+ was new and the show still looks fantastic. Yeah, the animation is slower compared to a lot of modern cartoons, but I don't think that's necessarily a detriment to the show as the action is far more powers based than physical combat and the show in general has a huge emphasis on storytelling.

I did like the insanity of it all, when all the characters just jump in and go nuts. There's people flying everywhere, laser blasts and exploding cards all over the place and Wolverine just slicing up Sentinels left and right.

But the show was very power-based. Seemed Wolverine was the only one that would still put up a fight since removing his healing factor doesn't make his claws go away, just hurt a lot more when he whips em out. But similar to whenever the Turtles lost their weapons, the X-Men usually can't do anything when de-powered, even though they're still pretty muscular and should have trained in basic combat skills without their powers. It was a cool and rare treat to see Storm fight Callisto without her powers.

Never too clear WTF Callisto's powers were to be honest.

But yeah that is one thing I remember learning about Wolverine that made me wince when reading a random 'character quote' from him. He explained how his claws literally tear their way out through his hands every time he uses them, and due to his healing factor, the holes close up every time he unsheathes his claws, which mean they'll tear their way through his flesh all over again the next time he uses them. I'm like yeah...... that's one extra power I would rather live without.

Zulithe

11-13-2021, 02:17 PM

now it makes all the more sense why Hasbro is releasing those new X-Men Animated Series styled figures. I've got Wolverine, Jubes and Sinister ordered already, excite!

CyberCubed

11-13-2021, 03:07 PM

Did the 90's show cover most of the major comic book stories from the time? If so, what is there left to cover? A lot of the characters and their relationships to each other were already established too. Maybe include more of the characters like Shadowcat and Nightcrawler and Iceman who could use big roles in this.

ZariusTwo

11-13-2021, 03:15 PM

Did the 90's show cover most of the major comic book stories from the time? If so, what is there left to cover?

Fatal Attractions
Generation X
Onslaught
Zero Tolerance
Cable's friendship with Kelly
Legacy Virus

sdp

11-13-2021, 05:33 PM

Well I'm glad others share my same concerns, but to try to be a bit more optimistic about it so Autobot doesn't get triggered:

The show is named '97 which is when the show stopped airing so I do think they'll keep it in continuity. I would like it if some of the same writers but at the very least because of the name I'd assume they'd do research over the tone of the show to try to keep it.

Animation is obviously not going to be the same since it'll be digital but it can't be worse than the last season's character models/animation. I don't think this team of x-men needed more stories (unlike Evolution and Wolverine&thex-men which did deserve more) but more can definitely be written and it can be cool, I doubt they'll be ground breaking stories but it should be fine.

Fans complaining now is really for the best since they're just beginning and might listen to the feedback they're getting. I just hope we don't get any MCU influences, I guess adding characters/new x-men is ok, we'll see deadpool and whatever but don't replace the current canon version of characters, all the Marvel cartoons from the 90s either had crossovers or referenced the other cartoons with the exception of the silver surfer cartoon. If Iron Man has to show up, it better be the Iron Man from the 90s cartoons.

https://i.imgur.com/ulUqWsg.png

This X-Men cartoon was my introduction to Marvel heroes, I knew spider-man/hulk/fantastic four existed before that but I had never seen any cartoons or shows or anything from them, this was my first exposure. After that I checked out Spider-Man and so on the other cartoons. They went all in on cameos and crossovers, way before the MCU or the Arrowverse.

I can see Spider-Man TAS getting revived too if this does well, the other cartoons have no chance but i'd love to see the 90s cartoon Hulk, Iron Man, Fantastic Four etc crossover in X-Men 97 and a theoretical Spider-Man 98. I mean every other episode was already a crossover.

now it makes all the more sense why Hasbro is releasing those new X-Men Animated Series styled figures.
the revival won't air until sometime in 2023, the only link is that both are being done to capitalize on nostalgia for the show.

TigerClaw

11-13-2021, 07:05 PM

neatoman

11-13-2021, 07:11 PM

I do find the announcement of what is essentially 90's X-Men season 6 to be odd because:

Weren't all the other Marvel announcements MCU related?
Why revive such an old cartoon, rather than just reboot?

Sumac

11-13-2021, 07:20 PM

While not connected, I feel chances of the new TMNT movies / series, being continuation of the FW show are rising.
Everyone want to hype on nostalgia.

He-Man got his reboot-continuation thing going on, DCAU is revived through the comic books, now this. All that's missing is continuation of G1 Transformers and Spider-Man TAS.

oldmanwinters

11-13-2021, 07:50 PM

While not connected, I feel chances of the new TMNT movies / series, being continuation of the FW show are rising.
Everyone want to hype on nostalgia.

I'd be shocked if it didn't happen.

sdp

11-13-2021, 08:29 PM

The series had heroes from the marvel universe that weren't mutants, There was an episode that told Rogue's backstory on how she got her super strength and flight powers.

She drained the powers from Captain Marvel when she used to be called Ms Marvel.

X-Men was a little more conservative when it came to guest roles from the marvel universe, the only one that had any big role was Ms Marvel I think but it had tons of small cameos that showed iconic marvel heroes either in big fights or through flash backs including spider-man, hulk, ghost rider, iron man, the avengers, dr strange, black panther, punisher.

90s Spider-Man was crossover happy with most of them getting more than one episode and tons of dialog/interactions in the stories, we had Punisher, Blade, Captain America, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Dr. Strange, DareDevil, and I'm sure I'm missing some, it was also supposed to have Hulk. Spider-Man connects all the Marvel Cartoons better than the others.

Hulk's 90s cartoon actually had plenty of crossovers and guest marvel characters as well, Ghost Rider, Dr. Stranger, Iron Man, SHIELD, Dr. Doom, The Thing. Fantastic Fours 90s cartoon is very similar having black panther, the inhumans, hulk, hydro man from 90s spidey, ghost rider, dare devil, namor, iron man, captain america.

Iron Man's cartoon was basically a west coast avengers cartoon so most members of the west coat avengers were in every episode of season 1 including Scarlet Witch, spider-woman, SHIELD appears. Avenger's Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon basically has many of the west coast avengers team from Iron Man's first season with the same voice actors, though besides that and Iron Man's crossover episode there aren't many links to the original marvel universe.

Spider-Man Unlimited and silver surfer's 90s cartoons are a different universe despite having one or two smaller references, they just contradict too much to even consider fitting in. But to say the other marvel cartoons from the 90s are not in continuity is just judicious and yet the marvel wikis have them as separate universes because there is "no proof".

I feel like I'm as big a fan of the original series as most people (I even tried to collect a full run of the tie-in comic book),.

I just found out there was a continuation comic called X-Men 92, so i'm guessing it wasn't very good?

CyberCubed

11-13-2021, 08:35 PM

Given the outcry over Spectacular Spiderman being canceled, I'm really surprised they didn't revive that. Maybe when Greg Weisman is done with Young Justice he can drum up support to complete the show, he said he wanted Spectacular to have 5 seasons.

Young Justice Season 4 should be the end of the show anyway, assuming they don't try dragging things out.

While not connected, I feel chances of the new TMNT movies / series, being continuation of the FW show are rising.
Everyone want to hype on nostalgia. .

If they do it, they better do it before more of the old VA's start passing away. Barry Gordon is 72, we know the Fred Wolf Turtles always sound off when they have sound-a-likes replacing them. Nick got them all back for the 2012 crossovers, so with the exception of Shredder for obvious reasons, it could happen.

sdp

11-13-2021, 09:00 PM

Given the outcry over Spectacular Spiderman being canceled, I'm really surprised they didn't revive that. Maybe when Greg Weisman is done with Young Justice he can drum up support to complete the show, he said he wanted Spectacular to have 5 seasons.

Young Justice Season 4 should be the end of the show anyway, assuming they don't try dragging things out.

Weisman is the worst and will never finish a show, he'll always leave a cliffhanger because he has a 17 season plan for the shows he works on in his head despite not being greenlit for more than one.

I would indeed love more episodes of Spectacular, Wolverine & the X-Men and Avengers Earth's mightiest heroes (which were all in continuity with each other BTW). All 3 of those shows got cut short after disney bought marvel. Those shows deserve more episodes than the 90s cartoons. Marvel had finally hit its animation peak that rivaled the DCAU and Disney killed it to make new cartoons that were inferior and just bad copies of the MCU.

ZariusTwo

11-14-2021, 02:03 AM

Given the outcry over Spectacular Spiderman being canceled, I'm really surprised they didn't revive that. Maybe when Greg Weisman is done with Young Justice he can drum up support to complete the show, he said he wanted Spectacular to have 5 seasons

Spectacular can't be legally revived, Wiesman's gone over this several times.

The show did briefly come back as an audio drama that crossed over with Gargoyles that was played at conventions, but there haven't been any more since then.

Sumac

11-14-2021, 08:01 AM

90s Spider-Man was crossover happy with most of them getting more than one episode and tons of dialog/interactions in the stories, we had Punisher, Blade, Captain America, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Dr. Strange, DareDevil, and I'm sure I'm missing some, it was also supposed to have Hulk. Spider-Man connects all the Marvel Cartoons better than the others.
I remember how hyped I was seeing X-Men (who were explicitly the same characters from X-Men cartoon I watched some years before), appearing in Spider-Man TAS.
It was so cool and new for me at the time.

ZariusTwo

11-14-2021, 08:55 AM

The X-Men/Spidey team up from the cartoon was in itself an adaptation of a comic storyline, but not from the main books, instead they lifted the material from the Spider-Man newspaper comic.

CyberCubed

11-14-2021, 10:55 AM

Thinking about it more I wonder why they didn't choose to do a remake/reboot with the 90's X-men designs and cast rather than a continuation. I feel its more of the 90's designs and look/feel people are nostalgic for rather than most of the show itself, because now whatever stories they already did they can't "re-do" so to speak because they happened already.

This news though is compelling me to do a full watch of the 90's X-men since I've never done that before. Probably won't be able to do that for another month or two since I'm watching other shows for now, but I guess stuff like this makes some of us want to watch old shows we missed.

Coola Yagami

11-14-2021, 12:13 PM

X-Men was a little more conservative when it came to guest roles from the marvel universe, the only one that had any big role was Ms Marvel I think but it had tons of small cameos that showed iconic marvel heroes either in big fights or through flash backs including spider-man, hulk, ghost rider, iron man, the avengers, dr strange, black panther, punisher.

There was an also an episode where Wolverine met Captain America back in the day, though the episode acted as if he was still 'gone' or on ice or whatever. I remember the Spider-Man show did the same thing. Captain America (at the time I guess) was this hero that only existed during WW2 era and didn't exist in modern day yet.

But yeah, I think it's because X-Men was still the first cartoon. It was still several seasons in by the time Spider-Man and all the other shows were on. Those all came on at around the same time so their characters were free to crossover here and there, and the X-Men didn't even crossover with Spider-Man til a few seasons later too.

sdp

11-14-2021, 12:35 PM

The entire Marvel Animated Universe is like 227 episodes long.
X-Men: Overall a solid show during its entire run of course it has its ups and downs.
Spider-man: same as x-men
Iron man: one season is good, the other is boring
Fantastic four: one season is ok the other is good.
Incredible Hulk: one season is great, the other is ok.
Avengers: extremely generic but amusing

There was an also an episode where Wolverine met Captain America back in the day, though the episode acted as if he was still 'gone' or on ice or whatever. I remember the Spider-Man show did the same thing. Captain America (at the time I guess) was this hero that only existed during WW2 era and didn't exist in modern day yet.

There was going to be a captain america cartoon in the late 90s and it would've taken place exclusively in WW2. So yeah in the marvel animated universe it seems like caps remains frozen on time in the present but everyone knows him. Except that Avengers United They Stand states the first Avengers team was Caps/Thor/Iron Man/Ant Man/Wasp. So at some point he would've been unfrozen from time. Most people don't care or know about the 90s avengers cartoon so I doubt anyone has thought too much about it besides myself of course.

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TigerClaw

11-14-2021, 01:22 PM

Coola Yagami

11-14-2021, 01:23 PM

I honestly don't remember a 90's Avengers cartoon, especially one during that general 90's era where the other shows were airing.

IMJ

11-14-2021, 01:33 PM

The voice actor for Jubilee won't be reprising that role in the new series but a different character. She would like for an asian voice actor to do Jubilee justice.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/x-men-the-animated-series-star-alyson-court-will-return-in-x-men-97-but-not-as-jubilee-a189587#gs.gghoco

She's terrified.
Actors can no longer act - we have to yield for the most cliche thought of least-resistance.

Can't everyone see the irony here? Things have to be exactly as rigid as possible and therefore there is no coming together or no melting pot or no investigating and blending of a culture.

Dividing lines so that the mouth-breathers of Earth find it acceptable. Dividing lines to keep the easiest, most simple-minded thoughts in flow. Here the dividing line is "actors cannot portray characters. We must divide the "acting" from the races and divided the races to the "perfect alignment" in order to honor "the race".
Dividing. Divide. In order to "come together". Put social borders up for ridigity.... yet borders are bad. World without borders. We are all one people, but divide us. Actors can't play characters - they have to play their own heritage only, at all costs.

The people subscribing to these logics are the fools of the Earth. Literally the bottom-feeders of society using circular logic. And it can't be fixed because those same people cannot be told how foolish their thoughts are.

TigerClaw

11-14-2021, 01:36 PM

I honestly don't remember a 90's Avengers cartoon, especially one during that general 90's era where the other shows were airing.
The closest we got to a 90s Avengers was when there were Secret Wars episodes from the 90s Spider-Man cartoon.

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sdp

11-14-2021, 01:42 PM

It came out in 1999 and only lasted one season. It's a bit on the nothing special side but Iron Man does show up and most of the team is the team Iron Man season 1 cartoon had so more of a west coast avengers team than anything

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Also an alternate future version of the avengers appear in x-men
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AquaParade

11-15-2021, 01:57 AM

I think it holds up better than most of it’s kind. The animation is pretty poor but the writing, music, general atmosphere and script kept it above the usual Saturday morning cartoon, imo.

Not quite Batman: The Animated Series, but good enough to not insult your intelligence. The plots actually have a bit of nuance. Not everything is black and white.

Coola Yagami

11-24-2021, 05:30 PM

So far X-Men is looking potentially woke, we got Jubilee's VA stepping aside for an Asian actress and now some of the producers and people behind the new show are saying all the same crazy woke NPC **** all the woke clowns have been saying about the Rittenhouse trial.

I'd laugh at the hypocrisy if X-Men got political but the 'wrong politics'. Imagine a Fauci expy creates a vaccine that removes mutant powers similar to X3 and the usual allegory where people hate mutants ala racism will now be an allegory for how vaxxers are encouraged to look down upon 'anti-vaxxers'.

Of course the X-Men being the heroes, this paints the 'anti-vaxxers' as the good guys, and portray the ones that get it without any questions asked as idiots, appearing in tv with 'i got the anti-mutant vaccine' tattoos and such nonsense.

Wokies would lose their **** and it would be hilarious. Just like right now they're saying 'xmen we're always political' to people worried about it being woke, we can throw those same words right back at them when they complain about this one portraying people against the vaccine in the right lol.

TheBlueTurtle1

11-25-2021, 01:36 AM

Gonna pass on this, not going to feel right without the voice actors, voicing their characters. Sucks:x

Coola Yagami

11-25-2021, 09:49 AM

Gonna pass on this, not going to feel right without the voice actors, voicing their characters. Sucks:x

So far it's just Jubilee chickening out. Luckily Storm was played by a black woman back in the day so she should be fine. Nobody seems to care about white people so luckily we don't have to worry about wether or not a woman with a real Southern accent will play Rogue or a guy with a real Cajun accent will play Gambit, or if an actual guy in a wheelchair will play Xavier.

CyberCubed

11-25-2021, 11:25 AM

Didn't some of the VA's pass away too? There's nothing you can do when the show is over 30+ years old now.

AquaParade

11-25-2021, 11:31 AM

I’m very cautious about this after learning who the new writers are. Already preparing myself to skip season 1 and hope season 2 brings in some fresh writers. Sucks.

Coola Yagami

11-25-2021, 11:37 AM

Didn't some of the VA's pass away too? There's nothing you can do when the show is over 30+ years old now.

Just the Cyclops guy I believe. He's the only one I've heard from the main cast.

TheBlueTurtle1

11-26-2021, 01:27 AM

Just the Cyclops guy I believe. He's the only one I've heard from the main cast.

I was left with Magneto being the leader of the x-men, and his VA passed away last very recently. Woke ruins everything.

ZariusTwo

01-14-2022, 10:48 AM

An 'X-Men '92' prequel comic will be out in April this year which will adapt the House of X Krakoa saga

https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:600/h:910/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/image003-4.jpg

Coola Yagami

01-14-2022, 11:34 AM

ZariusTwo

02-08-2022, 02:25 AM

Some new details. They have a 10 episode season order at present, and the story picks up right after Xavier departed with Lilandra

https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/x-men-97-details-consulting-producers-julia-eric-lewald-x-men-animated-series-marvel-disney-plus/

Coola Yagami

02-08-2022, 02:02 PM

ZariusTwo

02-08-2022, 02:08 PM

Let's see how woke it is.

This show was always woke. Try rewatching it sometime. It's not even subtle.

People honestly just don't know how to use that word anymore

Coola Yagami

02-08-2022, 02:54 PM

This show was always woke. Try rewatching it sometime. It's not even subtle.

People honestly just don't know how to use that word anymore

That's the excuse a lot of you use, but it was never like this. We never had 'you can't voice an Asian unless you're also Asian' ******** in the 90s.

CyberCubed

02-08-2022, 03:46 PM

X-men is still inherently about racial issues and divide disguised as the mutant gene, it's hard to ignore in a series like this.

Originally in the 60's it was about the minorities like blacks and hispanics, then it started including the gays and transgenders in recent times.

Coola Yagami

02-08-2022, 10:56 PM

Good to know they're continuing where they left off, I'm guessing they'll just have Professor X go back to earth, could be interesting but I also feel those ten episodes will end in a cliffhanger and it might not get renewed so what was a good finale for the show will now have it end on a cliffhanger.

lmao it's not even worth pointing out at this point, most of the cartoons in the 90s had "woke ****" in it if we go by todays standards that anything with a minority or a progressive thought is woke ****. Even picking up trash is now "woke ****" :lol:

I mean, in a certain way yeah. I mean the way some shows just had to have a random black kid shoved in there cause 'well they all can't be white' was so rampant, South Park purposely had a character naked Token Black to poke fun of it. Captain Planet was as woke as the 90's could get as well.

But it just feels worse and more pronounced now, with 'behind-the-scenes' **** now too, like stuff with the voice actors or horrible writers only hired because they're trans or whatnot. Like the 90's X-Men toon were lucky they had Jubilee and Storm back then, or else we would have seen 'made-up black character cause they all can't be white' being shoved in there in this follow-up, similar to Spike from X-Men Evolution.

Andrew NDB

02-09-2022, 01:20 AM

My childhood, 80s/90s: "Don't see race. Everyone is equal."

2022: "See race all the time. It's the most important thing ever. Everyone should be treated radically different depending on their skin color. Possibly you're part of the problem we've decided exists just depending on your own skin color."

Really going great in all things because of this, especially the arts. Never been less divided than now.

IMJ

02-09-2022, 10:51 AM

superstaff

05-09-2022, 10:21 PM

Autbot_Benz

07-22-2022, 02:44 PM

https://i.imgur.com/PMMLGwk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/oiEXGVv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/K91ukzl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tbtYXhh.jpg

Magneto is leading the X-men in this

S2 is happening

CyberCubed

07-22-2022, 05:34 PM

I really hope Kitty Pryde shows up, she was completely absent in the original series. At least Nightcrawler appeared in about 3 episodes, same with Collossus. Iceman was only in 1 episode if I remember right.

They really should give more screentime to the other mutants that for some reason barely appeared back then.

Coola Yagami

07-23-2022, 12:20 AM

Eh, not in a rush to see gay Iceman. You know they won't be able to help themselves, even though he was still straight in the 90's.

I also wonder if the show will keep them in the 90's and not do that weird thing where they're in modern day with zero explanation of the 20 or so year time skip from the last episode leading into this one. That's another reason I absolutely do not want them to have woke modern day politics. It's based on the 90's, keep a 90's mindset. Keep that modern day **** outta there or why even bother making a 90's show and just do a modern day reboot.

TheBlueTurtle1

07-23-2022, 03:03 AM

I have very little faith in this show, why does morph have a white bald head? Are they making him gender neutral or something?

and yes Iceman is straight in this version, but I bet they can't wait to change that:lol:

Autbot_Benz

07-23-2022, 10:13 AM

I have very little faith in this show, why does morph have a white bald head? Are they making him gender neutral or something?

That's how he looked in the comics

https://i.imgur.com/Bq4YWRH.jpg

ProphetofGanja

07-23-2022, 10:32 AM

I also wonder if the show will keep them in the 90's and not do that weird thing where they're in modern day with zero explanation of the 20 or so year time skip from the last episode leading into this one.

The show is literally called "X-men '97." But it'll still probably have all that stuff you said you hate :lol:

Coola Yagami

07-23-2022, 10:39 AM

The show is literally called "X-men '97." But it'll still probably have all that stuff you said you hate :lol:

That doesn't mean a thing. It just means they're basing it on those particular characters, designs and overall universe. Doesn't mean they won't show Jubilee tweeting on her smartphone.

Coola Yagami

07-23-2022, 10:39 AM

That's how he looked in the comics

https://i.imgur.com/Bq4YWRH.jpg

But not in the show.

ZariusTwo

07-23-2022, 12:49 PM

But not in the show.

Comic book characters change their appearances all the time.

There could be a number of reasons he now has that face, and all of them might be due to mental health issues. He was only normal for the duration of the pilot, then he was critically wounded by a Sentinel and subjected to experiments by Mr. Sinister which drove him mad.

TheBlueTurtle1

07-24-2022, 03:08 AM

That's how he looked in the comics

https://i.imgur.com/Bq4YWRH.jpg

He was based on Changeling

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/8/8a/Kevin_Sidney_%28Earth-616%29_from_Official_Handbook_of_the_Marvel_Univer se_Vol_2_16_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110917210919

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/4/4a/Kevin_Sidney_%28Earth-616%29_from_Official_Handbook_of_the_Marvel_Univer se_A_to_Z_Vol_1_2_001.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20220409083618***************************

His role in the pilot was going to be the original Thunderbird, but the studio made them use someone else. So they used Changeling.

I think the name change to Morph, was due to a DC character already using the name Changeling.

I would think the Exile comics were not around in 92 when the show was being made?

TigerClaw

07-24-2022, 06:56 AM

Morph was a character you barely see during the entire show, He only appeared in like a couple of episodes later on.

There was this whole thing about him missing, Until he later shows up many episodes later.

TheBlueTurtle1

07-25-2022, 07:52 AM

Cowabung-Gal

07-25-2022, 09:31 AM

I wouldn’t be surprised if Nightcrawler was all of a sudden silent about his faith in the new show. After all, Christianity is the religion of straight white males and is therefore “problematic”. If they do decide to keep his pacifistic Christian side, which is highly unlikely, I will be surprised.

ZariusTwo

07-25-2022, 10:04 AM

The Black Community are pretty passionate about JC and the big G too.

Cowabung-Gal

07-25-2022, 10:16 AM

The Black Community are pretty passionate about JC and the big G too.

You think the woke creators know or even care?

TheBlueTurtle1

07-26-2022, 01:44 AM

It's gonna suck, you can't re create the shows magic again, 30 years later, especially with the way things are. The new art style looks horrible, magneto looks 20 years younger lol:lol:

CyberCubed

07-26-2022, 06:19 AM

TheBlueTurtle1

07-26-2022, 11:33 AM

I mean the original series was good but it wasn't a masterpiece either. It was restrained by 90's saturday morning cartoon standards and the animation was always a bit dated for its time. I still like most of the show but there's no reason this can't be a good season or better.

I hope your right, but you are dealing with disney:lol:

I have nothing but love for the 90s show, most likely looking at it through rose tinted glasses, but I worry they will taint the legacy of the show.

ZariusTwo

07-17-2023, 11:22 AM

A look at the toys

https://bleedingcool.com/collectibles/new-wolverine-collectibles-revealed-from-hasbro-for-x-men-97-cartoon/

https://bleedingcool.com/collectibles/hasbro-unveils-new-collectibles-for-x-men-97-with-epic-hero-series/

Coola Yagami

07-17-2023, 01:57 PM

Seems Storm will have a mohawk, and either the toys messed up or Cyclops might be losing his yellow trunks.

ZariusTwo

07-21-2023, 02:02 PM

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TheBlueTurtle1

07-25-2023, 09:28 AM

ZariusTwo

07-26-2023, 04:13 AM

morph looks like a non binary character now.

That's been his look in the comics for decades.

TheBlueTurtle1

07-26-2023, 10:10 AM

That's been his look in the comics for decades.

He was originally based on Changeling http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix6/changeling-xmen.htm)

they just shoehorned him on to the exiles character, my guess is they will play the non binary card, I might be wrong, but that is my guess. Why else does he not look like the morph we know?

Coola Yagami

07-26-2023, 12:30 PM

That's been his look in the comics for decades.

Not in the cartoon though, which is what this was supposed to be based on.

I mean literally none of the characters look like that nowadays, if you really wanna go there.

Coola Yagami

07-26-2023, 12:32 PM

They seem to have made some changes to how some of the x-men look, Bishop and storm have been to the Barbers and had new hair cuts, morph looks like a non binary character now. They should have just left this in the past. Going to be filled with modern PC politics, I have no doubt about that.

They can't help themselves. Somehow a show that takes place in 1997 will have modern day politics and probably a Trump expy to kick around.

The moment the Jubilee VA stepped down because she's not Asian, I already knew how all this was gonna go.

TheBlueTurtle1

07-27-2023, 01:13 AM

They can't help themselves. Somehow a show that takes place in 1997 will have modern day politics and probably a Trump expy to kick around.

The moment the Jubilee VA stepped down because she's not Asian, I already knew how all this was gonna go.

Yea, alison court is no longer voicing jubilee, and cyclops VA has passed away, hardly the show we knew returning.

IMJ

07-27-2023, 10:34 AM

I'd really like to clear something up about the concept of 'wokeness'.

Something delving into the subject of prejudice, bigotry, racism, and division? Doesn't instantly mean woke.

Something having a diverse cast of characters, whether by race, religion, sexual orientation, etc? Doesn't instantly mean woke either.

Wokeness happens when writers ham-fistedly cram overt politics into their works at the cost of quality writing of their plotlines (ex: keeping consistency, proper characterizations, story that makes sense, etc) and of their characters (ex: characters being cardboard cut-outs meant to only exist to spew politically charged dialogue, to the point that this is most/the sole reason these characters exist...don't have interesting personalities or good chemistry with other characters, etc).

I don't think X-Men '92 had it because it had good storylines with characters who had actual backstories, personalities, and relationships that had nothing to do with promoting any ideology. Wolverine's character, if you boil it down, did not revolve solely on his being oppressed. His experiences with prejudice happen, but his entire character was never reduced to 'victim of a white, patriarchal society' (or what-have-you). I probably should've used Jean or whatever for the example I just made. Oh well, you, hopefully, get my point.

I have some appreciation for the specificity that you are going for - the way you are looking at the information. But if this was a class and I was a teacher reviewing the assignment, or if this was an article and I was the editor; then I would refine what you said more into this -

What you described above is actually just "bad writing". I am saying clearly that "woke $#!(" has almost nothing to do with the quality of the content or it's writers or actors. Instead, the "woke edge" is sharp and contains an agenda in the content that lectures specific races or genders, shames the general existence of "traditional content", replaces white people for POC's, and attempts to cast aspersions or shame on groups of people because of the perceived slights by the creators. Woke is not "bad storytelling", but rather racism, generally against white males, presented in the form of entertainment.

Coola Yagami

07-27-2023, 11:38 AM

I have some appreciation for the specificity that you are going for - the way you are looking at the information. But if this was a class and I was a teacher reviewing the assignment, or if this was an article and I was the editor; then I would refine what you said more into this -

What you described above is actually just "bad writing". I am saying clearly that "woke $#!(" has almost nothing to do with the quality of the content or it's writers or actors. Instead, the "woke edge" is sharp and contains an agenda in the content that lectures specific races or genders, shames the general existence of "traditional content", replaces white people for POC's, and attempts to cast aspersions or shame on groups of people because of the perceived slights by the creators. Woke is not "bad storytelling", but rather racism, generally against white males, presented in the form of entertainment.

It's kinda both. For the most part woke writing is bad writing because if you're more concerned with hamfisting your personal politics into the story and cramming 'diverse' characters just for the literal sake of it (like this one person is 100% superfluous to the story and surrounding characters but hey at least we got a gay guy in there!).

It's worse when it's pre-existing characters where their established personalities are suddenly replaced with the writer's views to the point you think 'so and so' would never talk like/think like/act like this.

Couple that with this mean-spirited attempt to shame men more and more in media to the point that they're now digging up classic heroes like Luke Skywalker and Indiana Jones just to ridicule them and tear them down. They're trying this with James Bond too. Then you have the MCU shows where most of them are pretty much the female costar replacing/showing up the guy the show is named after in every turn. Or nonsense like Wanda enslaving an entire town but we're supposed to root for her cause 'woman'.

Lately it feels everything is forced to cram the 'remember folks, straight white men are bad mkay?' message in there somewhere. Anywhere.

I still remember the critics complaining that Godzilla VS King didn't have any politics in it. Cause God forbid a big dumb movie can't be allowed to just be a big dumb movie.

sdp

07-27-2023, 11:46 AM

x-men has always been political, but PC aside which I do think could hamper the writing. It'll be very difficult for this show to truly feel like a new season that fits in. The show embodies the 90s and 90s X-Men, it'll be difficult to give off that same vibe without it feeling like modern X-Men. The cartoon had so many seasons it really did do almost everything. The last seasons wasn't that good but at least it gave us a decent ending.
They only renewed it because the streaming numbers were good when Disney+ first launched, but are those people who streamed out of nostalgia still interested? Will it even get a second season now that Disney is cutting on Marvel & Disney+ spending? It might just ruin the original ending to leave us on a cliffhanger and have the characters do stuff out of character.

They should've done a Marvel animated universe show instead like Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, have the x-men team up with spidey and the other 90s marvel cartoons. That way it's something new, exciting, while promoting the older 90s shows to a new audience. I mean I hope I'm wrong and the season is good.

Yes. But never woke. Hence the good stories that people remember to this day.

Jubilee a female chinese imigrant with foster parents is the first main character you meet and follow. Have you watched 90s cartoons recently? most of them would be considered 'woke trash' if released today. Most are very heavy if not the main plot is the environment, most dealt with racism either explicitly or implicit. Diveristy quotas? oh yes. strong females? definitely.

The only things 90s lack from modern cartoons is race swapping and lgbtq stuff. Not everything is "woke trash" just because there's a brown female in the lead. writing and context is the key. Many "writers" think that just being diverse makes up for good writing, that's the problem not so much the diversity usually.

But with that rant over, I don't feel confident on this new cartoon. I do think there'll be plenty of cringy PC stuff in it but it won't be what makes the show bad. There's other stuff that just won't feel like 90s X-Men.

IMJ

07-27-2023, 01:22 PM

It's kinda both. For the most part woke writing is bad writing because if you're more concerned with hamfisting your personal politics into the story and cramming 'diverse' characters just for the literal sake of it (like this one person is 100% superfluous to the story and surrounding characters but hey at least we got a gay guy in there!).

Hm. You know what Coola, I've got to tell you man that description above was an intellectual truth bomb. You're right. Yeah. Yeah that's an unassailable position and justified right on the money. So yeah, yeah I suppose the nature of the content does dictate the quality.

So yeah, in that regard you and superstaff are right. Hm. Well done, dude.

Coola Yagami

07-27-2023, 01:38 PM

x-men has always been political, .

Yes. But never woke. Hence the good stories that people remember to this day.

Coola Yagami

07-27-2023, 01:43 PM

Hm. You know what Coola, I've got to tell you man that description above was an intellectual truth bomb. You're right. Yeah. Yeah that's an unassailable position and justified right on the money. So yeah, yeah I suppose the nature of the content does dictate the quality.

So yeah, in that regard you and superstaff are right. Hm. Well done, dude.

I try. It usually bugs me when leftists just assume because there's a female lead or a poc in there they just assume we'd call it woke. Or 'if so and so movie was released today it would be considered woke'.

Naw fam. Ripley was as vulnerable as she was strong. She also didn't act high and mighty and the Alien movie didn't have a 'all guys are stupid and useless cause guys, amirite?' vibe to it.

IMJ

07-27-2023, 02:57 PM

Naw fam. Ripley was as vulnerable as she was strong. She also didn't act high and mighty and the Alien movie didn't have a 'all guys are stupid and useless cause guys, amirite?' vibe to it.

Exactly. Exactly.
It's like people calling you a racist because you don't want to support a race-swapped character, and yet it's like "Well... that's weird because Blade was essentially the first Marvel character on-film worth anything and I was all-in and supportive of that one... sooooo?"

Coola Yagami

07-27-2023, 07:48 PM

Jubilee a female chinese imigrant with foster parents is the first main character you meet and follow. Have you watched 90s cartoons recently? most of them would be considered 'woke trash' if released today. Most are very heavy if not the main plot is the environment, most dealt with racism either explicitly or implicit. Diveristy quotas? oh yes. strong females? definitely.

The only things 90s lack from modern cartoons is race swapping and lgbtq stuff. Not everything is "woke trash" just because there's a brown female in the lead. writing and context is the key. Many "writers" think that just being diverse makes up for good writing, that's the problem not so much the diversity usually.

But with that rant over, I don't feel confident on this new cartoon. I do think there'll be plenty of cringy PC stuff in it but it won't be what makes the show bad. There's other stuff that just won't feel like 90s X-Men.

None of that is woke though.

Jubilee was Asian in the comics too. She wasn't white and made Asian in the cartoon 'just because'. The themes of anti-mutant hatred were done well and still surrounded by all sorts of action, fighting and explosions. Magneto was against ALL humans, not just white people, for example.

You can have diverse characters and strong women without the series being woke. You have zero idea what woke even is, especially when it was clearly explained to you.

Take Bishop for example. His whole plot was going back to the past to prevent a hellish future. And he happens to be black. The entire episode didn't become a lecture of the hard times black people face in America or whatever. His race had literally nothing to do with his mission and the stakes in the episode.

It's just nowadays these hack writers don't know how to write good stories anymore without throwing race and whatever else into everything. I don't want to see the X-Men standing around lecturing everybody. I want to see them kick some ass.

TheBlueTurtle1

07-28-2023, 01:33 AM

I wish they were making this 12 years ago tbh. I want to give it a try, but I know it's going to be full of modern day messages.

Coola Yagami

07-28-2023, 02:40 AM

I wish they were making this 12 years ago tbh. I want to give it a try, but I know it's going to be full of modern day messages.

And the worst part is, the series is meant to take place in 1997, it's even in the ****ing title, and they still won't be able to help themselves with modern day politics. Just wait and see.

Like that one example where someone suggested they could use Morph as a nonbinary character.... when none of that was a thing back in the 90's.

It's like that Wonder Woman 88 movie. Takes place in 88, yet they still wanted to throw in 'Trump-isms' to the main villian.

CyberCubed

07-28-2023, 05:32 AM

There were only two genders back in 1997. This is a modern invention.

TheBlueTurtle1

07-28-2023, 10:46 AM

I watched a geeks and gamers video, where the director said they will be focused on modern day issues, so there you go, that says it all. Even though 97 is in the title.

Autbot_Benz

07-28-2023, 11:05 AM

I watched a geeks and gamers video,

That was your first mistake. Don't watch those clickbait whiny youtube grifters :lol:

TheBlueTurtle1

07-28-2023, 11:58 AM

That was your first mistake. Don't watch those clickbait whiny youtube grifters :lol:

:o I know. But it was about this show, so I couldn't help it:lol:

Coola Yagami

07-28-2023, 01:02 PM

https://i.imgur.com/Q5mm0Rv.png

So you're basically saying just because the woman is ugly she's not a woman?

Coola Yagami

07-28-2023, 01:06 PM

I watched a geeks and gamers video, where the director said they will be focused on modern day issues, so there you go, that says it all. Even though 97 is in the title.

And there pretty much went all my excitement for the show. I guess I'll just keep an ear out for whatever controversial BS changes they made to the show.

That was your first mistake. Don't watch those clickbait whiny youtube grifters :lol:

Not a mistake if they're quoting the director. The director is at fault, you don't shoot the messenger.

CyberCubed

07-28-2023, 04:40 PM

It's a shame when X-men used to be known for handling social issues and inequality in the world with a multi-racial cast.

How times have changed.

Coola Yagami

07-28-2023, 08:59 PM

It's a shame when X-men used to be known for handling social issues and inequality in the world with a multi-racial cast.

How times have changed.

Yeah, now it's gonna be more like, we have a multi-racial cast, you WILL like this, even if it sucks, you WILL like this or you're racist.

Autbot_Benz

09-01-2023, 05:49 PM

X-Men ’97, the animated series that acts as a spiritual and tonal continuation of the classic 1990s series that aired on Fox. The series, first announced in 2021, was originally planned for a fall 2023 debut but will now premiere in early 2024

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/marvel-tv-show-release-dates-1235580093/

ZariusTwo

09-02-2023, 01:40 AM

"Spiritual and tonal" huh? Guess it will be melodramatic Saturday morning fare then

ZariusTwo

09-02-2023, 07:45 AM

For those expecting it to be 2D animation like the original, sorry to burst your bubble.

Expect it to be like What If’s 3D animation. Not a big deal since X-Men TAS wasn’t known for its crazy animation anyways. The character models look way better than What If because they’re based on 2D designs instead of actors’ likeness. Anime inspiration still holds true.

https://twitter.com/CanWeGetToast/status/1697743758425825643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1697743758425825643%7Ctwgr% 5E4d9a60c4159e277ae4b436237990a9e329653cd6%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fofficialfan.proboards.com%2F thread%2F615492%2Fmen-97-disney%3Fpage%3D7

CyberCubed

09-02-2023, 10:58 AM

What in tarnation? You mean it's not a cartoon? CG animation is awful

Coola Yagami

09-02-2023, 11:01 AM

This is sounding more like and more like XMen in name only by the minute.

CyberCubed

09-02-2023, 11:10 AM

This series should of stayed dead.

Coola Yagami

09-02-2023, 12:03 PM

This series should of stayed dead.

*sighs* It's starting to look that way, isn't it?

Sumac

09-02-2023, 01:56 PM

https://twitter.com/CanWeGetToast/status/1697743758425825643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1697743758425825643%7Ctwgr% 5E4d9a60c4159e277ae4b436237990a9e329653cd6%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fofficialfan.proboards.com%2F thread%2F615492%2Fmen-97-disney%3Fpage%3D7
WTF does it mean, no big deal!?
Its a big ****ing deal, since 3D animation usually looks like ****. Especially in trying to replicate 90s style.
**** this trash.

Cowabung-Gal

09-02-2023, 02:06 PM

“Sorry to burst your bubble.”

https://media.tenor.com/9gI5ftpNrOcAAAAC/magneto-point-and-laugh.gif

There was no bubble to burst. I already had VERY LOW expectations

ZariusTwo

09-03-2023, 02:13 AM

The original animation style for the show had it's limitations and it didn't last the full length of the show either. The studio shut down a year before the series ended so the animation did look pretty bad in the final season, with the writing largely saving it.

ZariusTwo

12-14-2023, 10:57 AM

New toys for Madeline and X-Cutioner

https://www.ign.com/articles/x-men-97-villains-goblin-queen-x-cutioner-marvel-legends

Coola Yagami

12-14-2023, 03:06 PM

Wow. They brought back that lame-ass 90s Magneto look.

ZariusTwo

12-26-2023, 01:46 PM

Episode titles leaked on twitter

E1: To Me, My X-Men
E2: Mutant Liberation Begins
E3: Fire Made Flesh
E4: Motendo
E5: Remember It
E6: Bright Eyes
E7: Shine With Strength Reborn
E8: Tolerance is Extinction - Part 1
E9: Tolerance is Extinction - Part 2
E10: Tolerance is Extinction - Part 3

KROW

12-26-2023, 11:33 PM

E4: Motendo

Sounds like if Mojo started a video game company.

TigerClaw

12-27-2023, 12:44 PM

Sounds like if Mojo started a video game company.
Makes sense, Because of how Mojo World is all about producing media in the form of TV shows and movies, Video Games would be the next type of media they would cover.

BornAgain

12-28-2023, 07:31 AM

Until further notice I have no faith in anything coming from the MCU. Admittedly Deadpool 3 does have me excited, but it feels like an outlier.

I’m not being obstinate, I love the MCU. At least I did at one point. Hopefully they can stop with the heavy-handed themes, rely less on quips, and slow down on the special effects. Heck, slow down on all production obviously. If things can get a bit more serious and focused then it’s actually exciting to think of what the MCU could be a few years from now.

Anarchistguy

12-28-2023, 09:46 AM

Yeah I'm gonna be in the camp of "I have zero hope for this project".

This has no reason to exist other than nostalgia pandering. The 90s X-Men cartoon is complete enough. Why mess with it?!

Coola Yagami

12-28-2023, 11:35 AM

I'm more of a wait and see kinda guy. But the property being owned by modern day Disney and the fact that weaving in 'the message' in subtle and nuanced ways is a lost art form.

Jubilee's voice actress stepping down because she wasn't Asian is already a step in the wrong direction.

Andrew NDB

12-28-2023, 11:43 AM

This has no reason to exist other than nostalgia pandering.

Nostalgia pandering that they can take advantage of and weaponize for "the message." Potentially.

CyberCubed

12-28-2023, 11:56 AM

The show ended in 1997 so they have over 25 more years of comic stories to potentially use that didn't exist back then.

But I doubt this will get more than 2 seasons anyway, so we'll get maybe 20 eps at most before they move on.

Andrew NDB

12-28-2023, 12:00 PM

The show ended in 1997 so they have over 25 more years of comic stories to potentially use that didn't exist back then.

Writers actually pulling stories from comics? Is that a thing they still do?

ZariusTwo

12-28-2023, 12:57 PM

The show ended in 1997 so they have over 25 more years of comic stories to potentially use that didn't exist back then.

The showrunner said he wouldn't be adapting things like Scott and Emma's affair/relationship so that removes most of Grant Morrison's X-Men run, and he won't be adapting the Age of Krakoa either as he didn't like it. He left social media after this bit of news triggered Krakoa age fans.

Like you said, I expect the new series to just adapt everything up until 2000/2001, as that's when the 'golden age' of X-Men ended. The finale might even involve Onslaught

Coola Yagami

12-28-2023, 01:29 PM

The showrunner said he wouldn't be adapting things like Scott and Emma's affair/relationship so that removes most of Grant Morrison's X-Men run, and he won't be adapting the Age of Krakoa either as he didn't like it. He left social media after this bit of news triggered Krakoa age fans.

Like you said, I expect the new series to just adapt everything up until 2000/2001, as that's when the 'golden age' of X-Men ended. The finale might even involve Onslaught

There are Krakoa age fans?

Maybe they just the overall 'almost everyone is gay' aspect of it, the overall idea that the real X-Men are long dead and we're following the stories of clones of clones of clones and the fact that the X-Men are pretty much self-serving villains now but still calling themselves her.... OHHHHHHHHH!

IMJ

12-28-2023, 02:52 PM

The Deadman

12-28-2023, 03:24 PM

The show ended in 1997 so they have over 25 more years of comic stories to potentially use that didn't exist back then.

Youre so f*cking observant its unreal.

Coola Yagami

12-29-2023, 01:28 PM

I feel like this was announced years ago now and they haven't gotten the cartoon out yet - although both Mondo and Hasbro have been making "animated figures".

I also feel like when it drops it's just going to be a "cartoon" and hardly the social movement they are hoping for. It's just very hard to go back to old animation purely as-is and hope for the following in adulthood.

But if it does well, that's cool too. I don't think it will "fail" but I just don't think it's going to be the revival they are hoping for.

I mean, it depends if it's any good. There seems to be countless fans waiting with baited breath for this.

Although I haven't heard any new fans care (I guess the Krakoa fans, because any actual self-respecting X-Men fan would not be a Krakoa X-Clone fan). It's mostly the people that grew up with the OG.

IMJ

12-30-2023, 12:29 PM

Coola Yagami

12-30-2023, 02:47 PM

Soooo yes, I agree with that - the "countless fans waiting..." thing. But here is where I'm putting "anticipation" together with "experience"... :lol:

Basically we've discussed "old cartoons" here on the forums quite a bit. And my experience has commonly been that you try to go back to them with fond memories and you find it's just too hard. For example, I can barely sit through an episode of 80's Transformers, let alone vintage MOTU. And while it would be cool and exciting for them to revive those shows in-continuity, I can't help but feel that I'd have the apathy sitting through them, even with new content.

And of course, not everyone on Earth is in the same headspace, but I imagine that a lot of guys in their 40's might experience that with this show as well.

We will found out for sure though. I mean, one way or the other I'd bet we get at least two seasons of the show - whether season 1 is super successful or not.

The thing I like most about revivals (when done right) is the overall improvement of animation and the allowance of more action that the 80's cartoons couldn't do. 80% of MOTU and She-Ra was re-used stock footage, and actual violence was nonexistent, so it felt good to see He-Man and Skeletor actually fight it out in the 2002 show. Likewise the Turtles in the 2K3 show. They would never in a million years be able to animate a fight like the Turtles VS Hun VS Bishop in the 80's.

So it would be nice to have a (non-woke) X-Men revival with smoother fighting animations for the action scenes. Maybe finally have Wolverine cut somebody that's not a robot.

CyberCubed

12-30-2023, 05:57 PM

The vast majority of action cartoons from the 80's and 90's were held back by censors, soccer Moms, and Saturday Morning cartoon restrictions. Some shows got to push the boundaries like Batman: TAS of course, but they still couldn't show people get shot (with rare exceptions), or extreme violence. I remember Bruce Timm posted the rulebook of what they allowed him to do when it aired on Fox and they held him back a lot. There's a reason in a lot of episodes Batman doesn't even fight all that much.

I think people just don't actually realize how much rules were relaxed as we got into the 2000's and especially the 2010's, some of the stuff I see on kids cartoons today they would have never allowed when I was a kid.

Sumac

12-31-2023, 01:57 AM

There's a reason in a lot of episodes Batman doesn't even fight all that much.
Which is arguably better for his character, since a lot of times writers and audience forget that he is supposed to be a "detective", not a "brawler".

CyberCubed

12-31-2023, 10:38 AM

I rewatch B:TAS every few years (and the entire DCAU), and I think a lot of people just don't realize how little fight/action scenes there actually are in the show. Most fights just have Batman throwing someone over his shoulder and occasionally kicking someone, but they're all less than 2 minutes in an episode. Look at modern superhero shows and how the fight scenes take up a large run time of the episode.

Part of it helped the show with the storytelling but you could also tell the 90's broadcast standards held them back quite a bit. Almost every 80's and 90's action cartoon felt like they were held back from what they could have been until things got looser in the 2000's.

Coola Yagami

01-01-2024, 09:47 AM

ZariusTwo

01-01-2024, 09:55 AM

Most 80s cartoons slowing down on the action isn't a bad thing either, the story content was always good enough.

Coola Yagami

01-01-2024, 10:54 AM

Most 80s cartoons slowing down on the action isn't a bad thing either, the story content was always good enough.

True but unless the villain is some old guy that can't fight and the adventure is more about surviving the death trap and whatnot, I feel there's little pay off in an action cartoon if when the hero finally faces the villain the fight is just a few seconds long.

Batman was always good at 'boss fights' near the end of the episode. They always add the extra drama of everything catching fire, falling apart or exploding all around the characters too. And it was one of the few shows that showed actual guns and shell casings.

TheCanadiandrome

01-01-2024, 02:40 PM

I'm excited for this

ZariusTwo

01-08-2024, 09:53 AM

New leaks have emerged

The big bad of the series besides Sinister is Bastion, and the season is an adaptation of "Operation: Zero Tolerance", integrating elements of Cable's origin story along the way. Jean is revealed to be Madelyn, though it's not known if she's also always been the one Scott married back in the original run...and nothing is said about the real Jean's whereabouts in these leaks, it could be that's the hook for season two?

The Inventive Donatello

01-08-2024, 10:06 AM

Which is arguably better for his character, since a lot of times writers and audience forget that he is supposed to be a "detective", not a "brawler".

Yeah I agree. The best parts of Batman: TAS are the story (it's heavily story-driven) rather than the action. Even then, the action is used sparingly and still makes sense and isn't generally over the top.

I am a massive believer in story and plot over action set-pieces though. I like the spectacle but I often zone out in big action scenes in films and TV shows as it just doesn't get me going like a great narrative (though I have found myself enthralled with the action scenes in Godzilla films recently, even if that's not really what the series is about). That's why I could only get through half of the Fast Saga. It's just nonsense.

It feels like Hollywood is way too reliant on CGI and action these days as compared to creating a cohesive, intelligent plot. I still watch those films but it's why I am drawn more to classic cinema or foreign films which are less about all that stuff and more about storytelling.

TheBlueTurtle1

01-09-2024, 01:49 AM

What I find odd, is they brought back the original voice cast but most of them are not voicing their respective x-men, eg chris potter is not voicing gambit

shihe

01-16-2024, 05:16 PM

Every year, there comes a moment where I get, without fail, obsessed with X-Men again. The 90s animated series is naturally my favorite, but I also like W&TXmen, Evolution, and even the movies.

I play the games from the 8 and 16 bit eras, etc.

So I'm REALLY excited for 97!

Am I aware Disney could somehow ruin it? Well yes.
But I'll get there when I get there.
I want to savor this brief moment of hope and wonder, like I did with Star Wars before.... well.... yeah...

So, I'm excited it's finally happening this year!
And I hope, I HOPE, we also get X-Men 97 based games.

Hopefully something like Shredder's Revenge, or maybe an action platformer / platformer beat em up.
ANYTHING.

Also, since skimming through the threads, I can notice I'm probably the only one excited for it... let me just say I can sit and watch FW TMNT and enjoy the hell out of it. (I'm actually watching it all the way through). Same goes for X-Men. So maybe I'm not as jaded as yall lmao.

Just wanted somewhere to rant about this.

IMJ

01-16-2024, 05:33 PM

Every year, there comes a moment where I get, without fail, obsessed with X-Men again. The 90s animated series is naturally my favorite, but I also like W&TXmen, Evolution, and even the movies.

I play the games from the 8 and 16 bit eras, etc.

So I'm REALLY excited for 97!

Am I aware Disney could somehow ruin it? Well yes.
But I'll get there when I get there.
I want to savor this brief moment of hope and wonder, like I did with Star Wars before.... well.... yeah...

So, I'm excited it's finally happening this year!
And I hope, I HOPE, we also get X-Men 97 based games.

Hopefully something like Shredder's Revenge, or maybe an action platformer / platformer beat em up.
ANYTHING.

Just wanted somewhere to rant about this.

Uncanny X-Men #100 to just after 300 or so are just purely great comics for the most part. Very readable, lots of fun... and an ongoing string of creative talent.

sdp

01-17-2024, 10:56 AM

I'd be far more interesting in seeing a second season of Wolverine and the X-Men, that show was great and the cliffhanger was exciting. Hell I think Evolution had a nice ending as well but it had more story potential for a sequel than 90s X-Men.
XMEN TAS is still my favorite cartoon but it did tell all the stories it had to tell and reviving it makes no sense. I would've loved a 90s Marvel cartoons Crossover cartoon instead, they all took place in the same universe and had tons of cameos all the time, now that would've been far more exciting and "new" to see.

I have 0 faith in this. Apparently it got greenlit since XMEN TAS did good numbers when Disney + first launched. Those people already got their nostalgia fix and won't be watching this, and this won't get a new audience so this is DOA. The original cartoon already had a good enough ending and this will retcon it and end in cliffhanger only to never be resolved. X-Men TAS already has tons of content that people would consider "wokeshit" if it came out today, but it was always handled well... with that said. I'm pretty confident this will indeed be woke at its worst. The writing won't be subtle and they are going to be spelling it out for us why at the expense of any real story.

CyberCubed

01-17-2024, 07:34 PM

It's only going to be 10 episodes. I don't think it matters that much how it does with such a low episode count. If it gets renewed for more then we'll see.

ZariusTwo

01-18-2024, 01:55 AM

It's only going to be 10 episodes

It's been official for some time that two seasons are guaranteed, so it's 20 episodes.

ZariusTwo

02-02-2024, 05:53 AM

Those rumours about the animation style were legit

https://i.redd.it/fojcdttep1gc1.jpeg

KROW

02-05-2024, 11:09 PM

Those rumours about the animation style were legit

https://i.redd.it/fojcdttep1gc1.jpeg

Aw, no, it's Voldemorph.

ZariusTwo

02-15-2024, 05:29 AM

Series premieres March 20th

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGXgF56WgAAcGrN?format=jpg&name=small

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1758057625122439337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1758057625122439337%7Ctwgr% 5Ecc5918da524f810cf6d2fa0bd192906741a9285e%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenrant.com%2Fxmen-97-show-release-date-announcement-premiere%2F

ZariusTwo

02-15-2024, 08:17 AM

Trailer

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TheBlueTurtle1

02-15-2024, 08:37 AM

wow that was bad:(

ZariusTwo

02-15-2024, 08:48 AM

wow that was bad:(

Looked fine to me.

And it's not like the original was ever 'high art'

TheBlueTurtle1

02-15-2024, 09:03 AM

Looked fine to me.

And it's not like the original was ever 'high art'

The animation is weird, and I just can't understand why they brought back all the living original cast, just for them to NOT voice their characters.

ZariusTwo

02-15-2024, 09:07 AM

The animation is weird

The show's original animation was always 'weird', the final season in particular.

I just can't understand why they brought back all the living original cast, just for them to NOT voice their characters.

Some of them are voicing their characters.

TheBlueTurtle1

02-15-2024, 09:09 AM

The show's original animation was always 'weird', the final season in particular.

Some of them are voicing their characters.

wolverine, rouge and beast, the others are all recast:x

ZariusTwo

02-15-2024, 09:24 AM

wolverine, rouge and beast, the others are all recast:x

Who cares?

Honestly, what did you expect from this? The VAs are mostly too old now to sound as naturally as they once did, it works for some of them, but not everyone. A lot haven't stayed in practice, not everyone is Kevin Conroy who stayed employed indefinitely.

TigerClaw

02-15-2024, 09:32 AM

Trailer

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Looks really good, Glad they kept with the same style and 90s aesthetic.

Vicky82

02-15-2024, 09:50 AM

Trailer

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Oh wow, I can't wait to see this.

Wow Jean's pregnant, I didn't know that.

Autbot_Benz

02-15-2024, 09:55 AM

seeing Gambit charge Wolverine's claws like that is badass

TheBlueTurtle1

02-15-2024, 10:18 AM

Who cares?

Honestly, what did you expect from this? The VAs are mostly too old now to sound as naturally as they once did, it works for some of them, but not everyone. A lot haven't stayed in practice, not everyone is Kevin Conroy who stayed employed indefinitely.

The cast made the show for me, the last 6 episodes, Chris Potter didn't voice Gambit and it was really bad. In all honesty it's been too long and I have no faith, in this what so ever, so you'r right, I kinda don't care:ohwell:

just read this on twitter

Chris Potter, the original Gambit, is now playing Cable/Nathan Summers in 'X-MEN 97'.

ZariusTwo

02-15-2024, 10:20 AM

Oh wow, I can't wait to see this.

Wow Jean's pregnant, I didn't know that.

The toyline spoils that this Jean is really a clone created by Mr. Sinister, Madeline Pryor, who becomes the Goblin Queen

Vicky82

02-15-2024, 10:29 AM

The toyline spoils that this Jean is really a clone created by Mr. Sinister, Madeline Pryor, who becomes the Goblin Queen

Ah right thanks

Autbot_Benz

02-15-2024, 11:31 AM

here is the voice cast

The X-Men '97 voice cast features

Ray Chase (Cyclops),
Jennifer Hale (Jean Grey),
Alison Sealy-Smith (Storm),
Cal Dodd (Wolverine),
JP Karliak (Morph),
Lenore Zann (Rogue),
George Buza (Beast),
AJ LoCascio (Gambit),
Holly Chou (Jubilee),
Isaac Robinson-Smith (Bishop),
Matthew Waterson (Magneto),
Adrian Hough (Nightcrawler).

So returning from X-men TAS are Alison Sealy Smith (Storm) Cal Dodd (Wolverine) Lenore Zann (Rogue) George Buza (Beast) Adrian Hough (Nightcrawler) that's not bad

neatoman

02-15-2024, 03:47 PM

The toyline spoils that this Jean is really a clone created by Mr. Sinister, Madeline Pryor, who becomes the Goblin Queen

Almost makes me think Spider-Man will show up and say: "Been there too, buddy."

CyberCubed

02-15-2024, 04:06 PM

They need to have Kitty show up. We need to see the Pryde of the X-men.

Anarchistguy

02-15-2024, 05:00 PM

They need to have Kitty show up. We need to see the Pryde of the X-men.

Nah. She can stay in limbo with "Australian accent Wolverine"

Autbot_Benz

02-15-2024, 06:57 PM

The usual suspects have their panties in a bunch because Morph is Non-Binary in this show. :roll:

Morph's characterization in ‘X-MEN '97’:

“This is a lighter take on the character, who is nonbinary and has an interesting buddy relationship with Wolverine. The character’s past with Mister Sinister, the show’s villain, could also come into play.”

https://twitter.com/XMenUpdate/statu...225633/photo/1

Also the other veteran voice actors from the old show are voicing other characters

There's still a place for other veteran actors of X-Men: The Animated Series in the sequel.
Catherine Disher, the original Jean Grey, is now voicing Dr. Valerie Cooper, who seems to be up to no good.
Chris Potter, the original Gambit, is now playing Cable/Nathan Summers.
Lawrence Bayne, the original Cable, is now playing Carl Dentil/X-Cutioner.
Ron Rubin, the original Morph, is now playing President Robert Edward Kelly.
Finally, Alyson Court, the original Jubilee, is now playing Abscissa.

https://ew.com/x-men-97-trailer-legacy-costumes-casting-confirmed-theo-james-8580432?utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_entertain mentweekly&utm_content=manual&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=65ce192776567b000103feb7

ZariusTwo

02-16-2024, 02:16 AM

Anyone notice the Spider-Man: TAS easter eggs in the trailer?

Daily Bugle paper, with the headlines "Is Spider-Man a mutant?" and "Hellfire Gala: Text by Eddie Brock, photos by Peter Parker"

Wasn't Eddie sucked into another dimension the last time he appeared? Maybe Peter brought him home alongside Mary Jane.

frank_one

02-16-2024, 02:35 AM

Anyone notice the Spider-Man: TAS easter eggs in the trailer?A continuation of Spider-man: tha animated series on the way?

Mad Dog McMutt

02-16-2024, 12:18 PM

This looks awesome. I hope that there will be a dvd release because I don't use any streaming services other than Pluto and Youtube. I already own all of the other X-Men cartoons so this will be a must buy.

Cowabung-Gal

02-17-2024, 01:20 PM

The animation looks rather cheaply made, especially when you consider which major company is producing this show. The female characters (especially Rogue) have been given that new anti-male-gaze flat redesign to (effortlessly) appease the miserable activists (and unintentionally the religious Right which is hilariously ironic). The people in charge are diversity hires who have no real knowledge of the franchise that they’re writing about. 2020 identity politics and ideologies are being inserted into a show that is supposed to be set in the 90s.

Why should I be excited about this again?

TheCanadiandrome

02-21-2024, 10:13 PM

Autbot_Benz

02-28-2024, 02:22 PM

https://i.imgur.com/KN4srDY.png

BornAgain

02-28-2024, 02:48 PM

Well… what are his politics? :p

Cowabung-Gal

02-28-2024, 03:09 PM

They probably don’t think he’s “black” enough since he’s pretty light-skinned, and as far as I know he’s not part of the queer community, so he doesn’t check enough boxes to be qualified anymore. Plus he, like many of the older writers from the 80s and 90s, most likely rejects identity politics and far-left ideology.

I think he said that because he’s aware of their hypocrisy when it comes to diversity.

ZariusTwo

03-07-2024, 02:23 AM

Episode titles and airdates confirmed

https://www.ign.com/articles/x-men-97-episode-titles-uncanny-x-men-lifedeath

ZariusTwo

03-09-2024, 12:20 PM

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Autbot_Benz

03-12-2024, 02:24 PM

Marvel Shocker: ‘X-Men ’97’ Creator Beau DeMayo Fired Weeks Before Premiere (Exclusive)

But early last week, Marvel and DeMayo suddenly parted ways. His company email was deactivated and cast and crew were informed he was no longer on the project. DeMayo’s Instagram account, once a source for X-Men updates, was deleted. No reason for the firing was given.

Marvel had no comment. DeMayo’s representatives did not return calls for comment and emails to the showrunner yielded no response.

It was surprising turn of events on the eve of the show’s March 20 debut. Splitting with writers is a normal part of business for Marvel or any studio. However, it is unusual for a top creative on a Marvel project to miss a premiere or cancel press plans last minute, even if they’ve been shuffled to the side. Most Marvel premieres feature multiple screenwriters walking the red carpet, some of whom had been rewritten by other writers also walking the carpet.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/marvel-shocker-x-men-97-creator-beau-demayo-fired-1235850423/

ZariusTwo

03-13-2024, 03:04 AM

Maybe there's some truth to what The Witcher staff had been saying about him when he lost that gig?

Bahamut810

03-13-2024, 11:30 AM

Maybe there's some truth to what The Witcher staff had been saying about him when he lost that gig?

What were they saying? I dont recall.

ZariusTwo

03-13-2024, 01:08 PM

What were they saying? I dont recall.

That he was abusive and tended to pitch and write episodes that killed queer characters

Andrew NDB

03-13-2024, 08:55 PM

Sounds like the guy was too woke for the wokesters

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He was the only "black gay man" in the room way back, and now his goal is (was) to make it all about "social justice."

ZariusTwo

03-14-2024, 04:02 AM

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ZariusTwo

03-14-2024, 12:28 PM

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ZariusTwo

03-16-2024, 02:36 AM

TigerClaw

03-16-2024, 07:50 AM

Amidst all the speculation about his departure, Marvel Animation heads are now spinning that their parting with DeMayo was more amicable than previously reported, and are more complimentary of his contributions.

https://ew.com/x-men-97-beau-demayo-firing-marvel-animation-responds-8609643
Parting ways is a nicer way of saying being fired, Eventually somebody who worked with him is going to post what really happened.

ZariusTwo

03-18-2024, 12:00 PM

From the social media buzz, it looks like the Goblin Queen appears super early and that her final design differs from the toy and is more risqué.

ZariusTwo

03-19-2024, 01:03 PM

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ZariusTwo

03-20-2024, 05:35 AM

Those first two episodes were pretty good. Second story was better than the first, which felt a bit basic and sort of a way to ease in both old and new viewers.

It certainly 'felt' like the old show. They're doing their best to base it in 1997, what with tape decks appearing constantly.

RIP Blackbird. Hopefully the jet gets rebuilt...and I had to double check since I looked briefly away that it was MORPH that turned into Archange...in fact, Morph's transformations are still as silly as they were in the 90s show, I mean where DID those Katana blades come from when he became Psylocke?l

I know Rogue and Eric's relationship was a big steamy part of the X-Books in the past, so I'm totally looking forward to the triangle to come, especially since Gambit is aware of what's going on privately between them. I love the little buddy moments between Logan and Morph too, like having a little ruff in tumble in the park with Morph as Sabretooth, or Morph still trolling Logan in the club posing as Jean (only it's much healthier now than the last time he did it).

Ororo is depowered...I thought the way it was written, performed and directed was very rich in emotion, but she needed only say "the breeze, I can't feel it on my face" or whatever and not go on and on about what she had lost. Her farewell speech went on a bit too long and was too melodramatic also...

Words like "pissed, "killed" and "crap" defo tries to give us a feeling this ain't quite your grandaddy's 90s cartoon, but I'll allow it.

Autbot_Benz

03-20-2024, 09:50 AM

Glad to hear its a good show.
Wish this show came out before Greedy Bob Iger canned password sharing.:roll:

BornAgain

03-20-2024, 11:06 AM

That was actually better than I expected. Some awesome action choreography and perspective shots despite the animation being on a relative budget. The storytelling is deeper than the old series with multiple story layers to cycle through.

Coola Yagami

03-20-2024, 11:13 AM

Hmmm might have to check it out someday. Without giving Disney money.

And for the record, the old show would use 'kill'. Most popular example was the episode they dropped a building on Juggernaut and Jubilee was like 'you killed him!!' and Storm said 'nothing we know of can kill him'.

CyberCubed

03-20-2024, 11:36 AM

Glad to hear its a good show.
Wish this show came out before Greedy Bob Iger canned password sharing.:roll:

Just watch it for free on the illegal streaming websites. You don't need to password share or pay for anything.

Autbot_Benz

03-20-2024, 12:21 PM

Just watch it for free on the illegal streaming websites. You don't need to password share or pay for anything.

no thanks not using any of that illegal ****.

Cowabung-Gal

03-20-2024, 01:24 PM

no thanks not using any of that illegal ****.

I watch cartoons and movies online for free all the time. Sure saved me a ton of money, and in this economy, you really shouldn’t waste your hard-earned money on something that could just end up being more garbage from a garbage company.

Autbot_Benz

03-20-2024, 07:13 PM

I watch cartoons and movies online for free all the time. Sure saved me a ton of money, and in this economy, you really shouldn’t waste your hard-earned money on something that could just end up being more garbage from a garbage company.

It's all good I get free Disney + Ad Supported through the cable company so I can watch and not pay squat.

CyberCubed

03-20-2024, 07:25 PM

Hmmm might have to check it out someday. Without giving Disney money.

You can check it out without giving Disney money right now, the first 2 eps are free on the usual sites. It's funny how these sites upload the episodes within an hour or two that they go up officially.

I haven't paid to watch anything since about 2013-2014 and I intend to keep it that way. I feel like a sucker buying a DVD collection in the early 2000's, and then realizing I had no use for all those discs. What a waste of money that was.

Autbot_Benz

03-20-2024, 08:08 PM

First two episodes were great.

What they did to Storm in the 2nd episode was shocking. Also Magneto's speech to the UN people in space was badass

KROW

03-20-2024, 11:38 PM

Watched the episodes today and they were good. With so much to unload afterward, hopefully it'll keep the momentum going and not fizzle out near the end.

ZariusTwo

03-21-2024, 05:49 AM

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As the story advances, the titles change

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Coola Yagami

03-21-2024, 03:23 PM

Apparently we got some subtle mudslinging at the expense of conservatives. There's a scene with Cyclops fighting XCutioner, and one of XCutioner's reasons for hating mutants is that 'they whine because they have it so tough, all that whining, well we have it tough too, you don't hear us whining about it'. A lot of the usual suspects starting comparing him to the typical MAGA/J6-er.

Never mind the fact that

A- The real reason humans hate and fear mutants in the Marvel Universe is because Cyclops himself can level buildings with his eye sight if he wanted to, not because 'he whines a lot'.

and

B- If people like Cyclops, Storm, Magneto and Apocalypse existed, people on BOTH sides of the political aisle would fear them. They keep acting like everyone on the left would love mutants and everyone on the right would hate them, no exceptions. All mutants are leftists, all Friends of Humanity are right-wingers.

Not to mention human-hating mutants would kill all humans, not just ones on the right. No amount of trans flags will save you from Sabertooth gutting you like a fish.

Cowabung-Gal

03-21-2024, 05:16 PM

If people like Cyclops, Storm, Magneto and Apocalypse existed, people on BOTH sides of the political aisle would fear them. They keep acting like everyone on the left would love mutants and everyone on the right would hate them, no exceptions. All mutants are leftists, all Friends of Humanity are right-wingers.

That always annoyed me too. Senator Kelly in the first X-Men movie was a Republican from Kansas and to make him the big mutant oppressor is just so predictable and cliche. Why not make him a Democrat from Vermont instead? Oh right, because that would go against the “liberals good, conservatives bad” narrative.

I mean, the leftists have just turned on the Jewish people, so of course they’d turn on the mutants too.

Coola Yagami

03-21-2024, 05:23 PM

That always annoyed me too. Senator Kelly in the first X-Men movie was a Republican from Kansas and to make him the big mutant oppressor is just so predictable and cliche. Why not make him a Democrat from Vermont instead? Oh right, because that would go against the “liberals good, conservatives bad” narrative.

I mean, the leftists have just turned on the Jewish people, so of course they’d turn on the mutants too.

I kinda feel that in the same way leftists want to get rid of the guns every time there's a school shooting, they'd also want 'something to be done' about the mutants every time there's an attack, seeing as mutants are pretty much living weapons. I mean Cyclops pretty much has a double barreled laser bazooka in both eyes and Gambit can turn anything he touches into an explosive.

Jeff

03-23-2024, 03:02 PM

i knew you guys wouldn't let me down with the "they're so mean to us!" shtick. :lol:

Coola Yagami

03-23-2024, 04:05 PM

i knew you guys wouldn't let me down with the "they're so mean to us!" shtick. :lol:

Naw, it's just the usual idiots thinking they're the good guys where if mutants were real they'd be acting the exact same way.

Zulithe

03-23-2024, 04:20 PM

Absolutely loved both episodes so far. The animation changes take some adjusting but I like it for the most part, it's a solid foundation to build off of since apparently they want to do 3 seasons.

The voice changes (some actors changed, while other returning actors are much older and sound different) are for the most part fine as well. Rogue sounds the most changed/older to me, but I'm still glad they kept the same actress.

The story and action have all been top notch. It fits the tone of the original toon very well. Looking forward to more.

Oh yeah! And the new opening sequence is great, also love how they slightly change it for each episode to match the story progression and stuff. That sort of touch really shows the TLC that is going into this show.

Apparently we got some subtle mudslinging at the expense of conservatives.
Tell me you know nothing about X-Men without telling me you know nothing about X-Men

Coola Yagami

03-25-2024, 03:06 PM

Tell me you know nothing about X-Men without telling me you know nothing about X-Men

Rofl that stupid argument again. The false assumption that only conservatives would hate mutants and liberals would openly embrace Magneto, Pyro, Sabertooth and Mr Sinister into their homes.

Cowabung-Gal

03-25-2024, 04:14 PM

Tell me you know nothing about X-Men without telling me you know nothing about X-Men

The modern writers are the ones who know nothing about X-Men.

Humans fear what they don’t understand. It doesn’t matter whether you’re a granola-munching hippie or a gun-hugging redneck. If you see something that’s unnatural, scary, and/or threatening, such as a guy shooting laser beams out of his eyes, your primal instincts will immediately kick in and you’ll naturally want to protect yourself as well as your loved ones. You think it was very liberal of the Democrats to make people take a certain new drug, wear masks, and stay in their homes during the pandemic? Nope, but such violation of rights was allowed for the “greater good”. And ordinary people even turned on those who refused to take the shot or wear a mask because they were that scared of the virus. Fear makes people do unfathomable things and gives leaders an excuse to go full totalitarian.

One of the most intriguing things about Dark Knight Joker is how much he truly understands human nature, as he told Batman, “To them, you're just a freak, like me! They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper! Their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. When the chips are down, these civilized people, they'll eat each other.”

The X-Men are heroes because although their mutant status ostracizes them from the rest of humanity, they still use their powers to protect the weak and innocent from all enemies, even other mutants. They inspire us to do what’s right, even if the world is against us. That lesson applies to everyone. The modern writers think that the X-Men are symbols of the black and queer community and that the only people who would persecute them are Republicans, but that just proves how narcissistic and narrow-minded they really are.

Coola Yagami

03-25-2024, 05:17 PM

Exactly. While the X-Men were an allegory, they were an allegory for all outcasts of all types, including white nerds being made fun of for reading X-Men. And even then, it's not a one to one, the lines are drawn between mutants and humans, and I mean ALL humans, not just the white straight ones.

Bahamut810

03-25-2024, 05:51 PM

Rofl that stupid argument again. The false assumption that only conservatives would hate mutants and liberals would openly embrace Magneto, Pyro, Sabertooth and Mr Sinister into their homes.

It really makes me think of how much people are against guns and 2a items...why would those same people not want to register mutants?

Zulithe

03-25-2024, 06:30 PM

Rofl that stupid argument again. The false assumption that only conservatives would hate mutants and liberals would openly embrace Magneto, Pyro, Sabertooth and Mr Sinister into their homes.
The January 6th parallels weren't stark enough for you in Episode 2? Maybe pay attention to what the actual creators have said over the years too. The dissonance runs very deep with some of you. :lol:

Anyone who wants to enjoy X-men can, but if you want to disconnect it from politics you're only deluding yourself.

Coola Yagami

03-25-2024, 06:33 PM

The January 6th parallels weren't stark enough for you in Episode 2?

Which had no place in a show that's supposed to take place in the 90s. Disney couldn't keep their TDS in check, not even for X-Men.

Also stay off Twitter. You sound exactly like those clowns. Almost word for word.

TonySiegel

03-25-2024, 07:48 PM

no matter the topic... it has to always turn political on this forum...

Cowabung-Gal

03-25-2024, 07:51 PM

The January 6th parallels weren't stark enough for you in Episode 2?

Oh, for Pete’s sake…

Well, since the 90’s are now the 2020’s, let’s expect mutants and mutant allies to protest the Mutant Cure, which is obviously a detransition allegory, and call the mutants who choose to take the cure sellouts and even human supremacists.

IMJ

03-25-2024, 07:57 PM

Oh, for Pete’s sake…

Well, since the 90’s are now the 2020’s, let’s expect mutants and mutant sympathizers to protest the Mutant Cure, which is obviously a detransition allegory, and call the mutants who choose to take the cure sellouts and even human supremacists.

Oh God I can't wait for leftists heads to spin and freak out like the nuts they are when they experience the confusing dissonance over whether the Mutant Cure is a detransition allegory or if it's a supportive vaccine narrative. :P:lol:

Coola Yagami

03-25-2024, 08:00 PM

Well, since the 90’s are now the 2020’s, let’s expect mutants and mutant allies to protest the Mutant Cure, which is obviously a detransition allegory, and call the mutants who choose to take the cure sellouts and even human supremacists.
Always knew Rogue was a white supremacist

no matter the topic... it has to always turn political on this forum...
The show runners do it, not us. They can, you know, stop and just make a good show without modern day politics. Hell I'd even settle for a Clinton/Lewinsky allegory since the show is supposed to take place in the 90s.

TonySiegel

03-25-2024, 08:04 PM

Always knew Rogue was a white supremacist

The show runners do it, not us. They can, you know, stop and just make a good show without modern day politics. Hell I'd even settle for a Clinton/Lewinsky allegory since the show is supposed to take place in the 90s.

I thought the X-Men always dealt with politics, I must've been mistaken.

Coola Yagami

03-25-2024, 08:07 PM

I thought the X-Men always dealt with politics, I must've been mistaken.

Not like this and you know it. Rewatch the old show and see how it's done.

Cowabung-Gal

03-25-2024, 08:07 PM

I'd even settle for a Clinton/Lewinsky allegory since the show is supposed to take place in the 90s.

:lol:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/e28418624ac2efa49b5b151d3154e222/tumblr_ovfn9329gU1qbwrnuo3_250.gif

What are you gonna do with that cigar, Logan?

TonySiegel

03-25-2024, 08:18 PM

Not like this and you know it. Rewatch the old show and see how it's done.

I'm not going to go back and rewatch it and I don't golden calf my childhood...

Looking forward to watching the rest of the series.

KROW

03-25-2024, 09:58 PM

I think people are reading way too much into this sh*t.

Anyway, I love Magneto's throwback outfit; full of '80s cheese. I'm looking forward to the next episode. In the meantime, I'm gonna go read some Tick comics -- y'know... because Fox Kids.

ZariusTwo

03-26-2024, 01:17 AM

In the course of five days, the show has pulled in 4 million views

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/x-men-97-ratings-viewers-1235951732/

ZariusTwo

03-27-2024, 12:57 AM

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ZariusTwo

03-27-2024, 06:35 AM

Episode 3: "Fire Made Flesh"

Beast's tests conclude the Jean that arrived at the manor is the real deal and that the Jean on the team is the clone. Scott is a fence-sitter on the matter, which annoys Jean. She takes Nathan to their bedroom and sulks, until Mr. Sinister contacts her and triggers a transformation in her, turning her into the Goblin Queen.

Goblin Queen attacks the X-Men, turning the Mansion into a realization of hell, and abducts Nathan. Scott goes after her. The real Jean awakens and briefly has a moment with Logan before she senses Scott is in danger.

The two Jeans have a mind duel and the real Jean is triumphant, breaking her clone free of Sinister's mind control and the Queen rescues Nathan, but they discover Sinister has infected him with a techno-organic virus. Bishop volunteers to send Nathan into the future where Forge can help.

Scott refuses to be a part of this decision and leaves. The clone gives Nathan some words of comfort and hands him over to Bishop. The clone changes her name to Madelyne Pryor and departs the mansion, leaving the real Jean to pick up the peices of her shattered life.

Meanwhile, the present day version of Forge meets up with Storm at a bar

Coola Yagami

03-27-2024, 10:29 AM

KROW

03-27-2024, 11:28 PM

Good third episode, even if it felt a bit rushed. If it couldn't have been a two-parter for more character development and fleshing out the story, I don't see how a longer runtime wasn't possible. This isn't the cable TV era anymore -- there's no need to adhere to the 30-minute standard. An extra 10 minutes wouldn't have hurt.

But it was a nice break from the political-heavy premiere. More Beast is always a good thing (for me) and it was fun seeing Morph transform into a couple different mutants. Also, that Bishop/Cyclops tag maneuver. :thumbsup:

BornAgain

03-28-2024, 12:49 AM

I agree with those saying it should have been a two-parter but I enjoyed the episode quite a bit. It really did feel like they had to slightly rush through the existential crisis some of the characters should have been having but hopefully we see that play out more in the coming episodes.

This is the most I’ve enjoyed a Marvel movie or story since Endgame. Feels great to enjoy some of this stuff again. It’s not the greatest thing since sliced bread but it’s better than the original show, better than i expected, and better than anything the MCU has put out in a while.

The animation quality is just barely enough to satisfy me. It looks pretty good but I think if it can keep high view counts than it deserves a little more time in the oven, more budget, or whatever it’d take to get it looking little nicer.

CyberCubed

03-28-2024, 04:17 PM

I think the animation is done on purpose to make it look like a 90's cartoon. Obviously they could have given this a much bigger budget and made the animation look more modern, but they're clearly trying to capture what cartoons looked like 30 years ago.

ZariusTwo

04-10-2024, 03:03 AM

Jeez the gloves are off now

Funny, last week an episode underran and this week a full one overran.

I wonder if the psychic affair with Scott and Madeline was between him and Maddie specifically, or was that one shot of Emma meant to say 'yeah, that was totally Frost', because other than that Maddie seems to be pretty level headed.

Logan trying to respect boundaries even if Jean's starting to cross the line. I do love that Scott argued with her on whether or not she's in love with him or the memory of loving him, Jean feeling the cosmos beckon, definitely setting up a Phoenix return for the finale probably.

Mags probably ain't dead, but the fact they did the Morrison Genosha Massacre means he'll be back to his 'mad terrorist twat' days...maybe he'll pose as Xorn here too? Reimagined as a terrorist leader and not a school teacher?.

Cable's cameo, reunion with Maddoe, and reveal as Nathan was insanely rushed. This show's pacing continues to confuse

BornAgain

04-10-2024, 07:57 AM

Just caught up on the latest two episodes.

Episode 4 had me deflated with the series. Felt like filler. Gimmick expanded into an episode. Cute nostalgia but wore out it’s welcome pretty quickly.

Episode 5 may have been the series best. This is not your daddy’s X-Men animated series. Are we really getting into Morrison stuff already? This is awesome.

Truly the most fun I’ve had with a Disney/Marvel movie or show in years.

Autbot_Benz

04-10-2024, 12:26 PM

ya Episode 5 was a real roller coaster

Can't believe we lost Gambit and Magneto but at least they went out as badasses

Loved all the mutant cameos Emma Frost Shaw Banshee Moria Nightcrawler Boom Boom Dazzler and Cable.

ZariusTwo

04-11-2024, 01:41 AM

Beau DeMayo (the former head writer) resurfaced on social media to explain his choices for episode five.

He wanted to give the animated cast a 9/11 since us 90s kids experienced that in real life and nothing felt 'safe' after that. He says if the characters don't confront who they're becoming, everything stagnates and you're left behind, this episode was to lend credence to Trask's ominous comments to Scott at the end of episode one.

Zulithe

04-11-2024, 12:04 PM

Ep 5 seriously one of the best pieces of X-Men media to exist. Can't get enough of this great show. We need more animation like this in the west. Anime-tier American animation.

ZariusTwo

04-11-2024, 12:21 PM

The latest promo teases that the Avengers, or at least Captain America, are turning up

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KROW

04-11-2024, 11:45 PM

I was fine with episode 4; felt like a classic Saturday morning cartoon. 5, though, wow. That just plunged straight into the dark, as great as it was.

BornAgain

04-11-2024, 11:46 PM

This should just be the new MCU. The “live-action” films look like cartoons now anyway. At least this world has some solid writing.

ZariusTwo

04-12-2024, 01:05 AM

More info dropping from Beau DeMayo and Rogue's Voice actress

1. The first four episodes were made to lull fans into a false sense of nostalgic security and then pull off a really dark turn to remind us all that 9/11 and other world tragedies have happened that eventually rob an idealised time of it's innocence

2. Jean and Scott's relationship is meant to be exploring themes of rape, abandonment, and mental/emotional trauma stemming from both

3. Rogue's VA recently lost her 17 year old niece to cancer, so her raw emotional performance in episode five was very real. She says the character's 'real journey' now begins so that indicates to me, unless it happens in the season finale, that no retcon is coming.

FlawedCoil82

04-12-2024, 04:07 AM

“X-Men TAS” was the only show I loved even more than TMNT 2002. I watched the show religiously, as the X-Men was my life! So there was A LOT riding on “X-Men ‘97”. However, thus far, I have been pleasantly surprised. Yea, there have been a few things I have not liked (mainly political narratives that highly irritate me), but overall I am really loving this series! Episode 4 was definitely my least favorite, but man…what a great episode #5 was! Yet I will admit, I will be rather disappointed if we never see Gambit again in the series. He was one of the characters I was most excited to see in action with this newer animation style, and while it has delivered so far, I still want more! I also don’t want to see Rogue leave the team for a long period of time like she did in the comics immediately following the “Age Of Apocalypse” storyline. So hopefully some time travel or else something else some “Krakoa era silliness” will happen to bring them back eventually.

XERO

04-12-2024, 05:22 PM

Bruh, episode 5 was insane. I haven't felt this way since the finale of Loki.

Jeff

04-14-2024, 08:05 PM

Yea, there have been a few things I have not liked (mainly political narratives that highly irritate me)

It's X-Men...

What political narrative in an X-Men story - in THIS X-Men story - could possibly highly irritate a self-proclaimed X-Men fan?

ZariusTwo

04-17-2024, 07:38 AM

So Lifedeath part two again felt a bit like two episodes in one, only it didn't have two titles. Probably for the better this time.

First plot deals with Professor Xavier's attempts to marry Lilandra, only for her sister Deathbird to demand he purge himself of all his memories of the X-Men and Earth in order to rule justly. Xavier taps into all of their minds and attempts to educate them on the themes of navigating through co-existence with the races they have conquered, then he has a vision of Genosha and decides to return to Earth, abandoning Lilandra.

B plot concludes Storm and Forge's encounter with the Affair, with Storm regaining her powers and her hair grows long again, she also now has her classic Claremont/Byrne 70s black costume with the tiara.

Final scene is Boliver Trask revealing he gave Mr. Sinister access to Master Mold.

Autbot_Benz

04-17-2024, 12:42 PM

Great Episode Alison Sealy Smith is the GOAT

Glad Prof X is coming back to Earth

ZariusTwo

04-24-2024, 04:03 AM

That warm up act for the finale COOKED!

Captain America, 'Thunderbolt' Ross, Amelia, President Kelly, Morph turned into Quicksilver. Maggot turned up at one point too.

I didn't expect a bit of 'Dark Beast' to come out of Hank, but it was a nice way of subverting expectations from Trish's interest in him. Morrison's run is where that relationship actually fell apart, and Hank was a dick to her there too, they've just decided to replace the end of an established relationship with the mere tease of it beginning.

Rogue's grief was handled well, and it does take her to every dark corner imaginable...just when you think Kurt and the X-Men can pull her out of the darkness, she allows it to swallow her whole by 'killing' Trask. Logan understands it the most, which I thought was a nice touch, but of course it activates Trask's dormant bio-sentinel programming and he beasts the X-Men in battle until Cable bails them out.

I think Cable's voice performance was stronger here than it was in 'Remember It', and there was a hint of his old 92 theme, he seems to harbour some resentment towards Jean for not being Madelyn.

Speaking of Jean, I'm glad there was more focus on her and Scott trying to confront what they're losing between one another and still being there for one another emotionally.

Emma survived, and is in her diamond form

And the big bad of the season reveals himself. BASTION. Sinister works for him, and boy has he got some trump cards up his sleeve. Magneto is alive, and Bastion's prisoner, the final scene with Bastion shaving Eric and a catchy showtune playing was super creepy. Doesn't seem that Mags eventual return to Villainy will be entirely up to him, I think they're going to adapt the 'Xorneto' thing by having Bastion stitch Erick up, as that was how they retconned his involvement in Morrison's era in the first place